#emc | Logs for 2006-05-15

[00:10:09] <skunkworks> ?
[01:12:25] <skunkworks> the vacum pump we are using isn't that loud
[01:20:31] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/vacback.JPG and
[01:21:04] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/vactop.JPG
[01:22:23] <skunkworks> have not drilled the center holes all the way through yet.
[01:22:38] <skunkworks> (where the hole is in the aluminum cube
[01:22:40] <skunkworks> )
[01:22:55] <skunkworks> almost ready to cut some circuit boards :)
[01:23:48] <skunkworks> I really need to hook up the home swiches to emc - they are there - just not hooked up yet.
[01:24:10] <skunkworks> so I don'
[01:24:22] <skunkworks> t have to manually line things up each time :)
[01:39:41] <skunkworks> what - is everybody driving to the workshop?
[01:55:30] <fenn> i'm cutting bearing mounts in acme threaded rod
[01:56:20] <fenn> i've seen vacuum tables like that with a grid cut out, then you put little rubber gasket in the grid to seal against the part
[01:57:34] <fenn> just chipped off 3 threading tips in a row..
[01:57:40] <fenn> * fenn sighs
[01:58:22] <Jymmm> fenn: robin siad the foam gasket isn't necessary
[01:58:41] <Jymmm> I know for me that I'd be cutting thru the foam material
[05:01:25] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/module_helper/ (Submakefile module_helper.c):
[05:01:25] <CIA-8> change module_helper to allow any module placed in emc2's module directory.
[05:01:25] <CIA-8> by doing this, it becomes possible to add new hal modules without changing
[05:01:25] <CIA-8> module_helper.
[05:02:24] <jepler> ^^^ first commit from fest?
[05:02:56] <fenn> woo!
[05:15:48] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/module_helper/module_helper.c: remove debugging print
[05:18:49] <jepler> hm, I've gotten this error twice tonight:
[05:18:50] <jepler> Starting emc...
[05:18:50] <jepler> HAL:56: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out' not found
[05:18:50] <jepler> HAL config file /home/jepler/src/emc2/configs/sim//core_sim.hal failed.
[05:18:58] <jepler> but just running emc2 again works
[05:19:02] <jepler> could it be a startup race?
[05:30:36] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/colinear.ngc http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/colinear-halscope.png
[05:31:02] <jepler> it seems to alternate between two different speeds in consecutive segments
[05:31:52] <jepler> or maybe a different speed during the blend? I'm not sure. (can I have halscope plot if it's in a blend or not?)
[05:32:21] <fenn> um, where does it actually move in colinear.ngc?
[05:33:42] <fenn> oh g90 is relative, right
[07:21:23] <A-L-P-H-A> damn... there's only two people in ontario for EMC? me and this other guy
[07:21:34] <alex_joni> eh, probably there are more ;)
[07:21:42] <A-L-P-H-A> they should sign up now.
[07:21:47] <alex_joni> :))
[07:23:29] <A-L-P-H-A> dang... wonder if that person ever finished making the ball inside?
[07:23:30] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=37499&pid=628400&src=flash_slideticker
[07:23:57] <alex_joni> skunk?
[07:24:02] <alex_joni> you can ask him..
[07:25:09] <alex_joni> skunkworks: around?
[07:25:33] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[07:25:33] <A-L-P-H-A> dunno who made it
[07:25:33] <A-L-P-H-A> just saw it on frappr
[07:26:12] <A-L-P-H-A> only cool thing I've made is this... http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Past%20Machining%20Projects/2004-03-04_Cube_1.5%5E3/
[07:27:16] <alex_joni> great ;)
[07:27:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I appreciate the pat on the head.
[07:27:36] <A-L-P-H-A> feels so good to be patronized.
[07:27:41] <alex_joni> I really mean it ;)
[07:28:01] <alex_joni> I never really machined anything .. if you can believe that :D
[07:32:00] <A-L-P-H-A> welded?
[07:32:02] <A-L-P-H-A> designed?
[07:32:07] <A-L-P-H-A> really nothing?
[07:32:58] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni?
[07:33:33] <alex_joni> sure.. welded
[07:33:37] <alex_joni> and designed
[07:33:40] <alex_joni> but not milling
[07:33:55] <A-L-P-H-A> why not?
[07:33:55] <alex_joni> even drilled holes ;)
[07:33:56] <A-L-P-H-A> no interest?
[07:34:02] <alex_joni> don't have a milling machine?
[07:34:09] <A-L-P-H-A> make one? hehe
[07:34:20] <alex_joni> I would.. but I'm too busy working on the software
[07:34:23] <alex_joni> maybe one day..
[07:34:31] <alex_joni> wanna retrofit a lathe one day
[07:34:37] <alex_joni> a friend of mine has a brand new one
[07:34:44] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[07:34:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a schublin 102
[07:34:54] <A-L-P-H-A> nice little precision lathe
[07:35:42] <alex_joni> what emc are you running?
[07:36:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know now... I honestly haven't turned on that machine in what maybe close to a year now
[07:36:34] <A-L-P-H-A> some BDI ver.
[07:36:34] <alex_joni> lol
[07:36:38] <alex_joni> ok, so probably not emc2
[07:36:43] <alex_joni> you should try it ;)
[07:37:00] <alex_joni> I made a LiveCD the other day
[07:37:13] <A-L-P-H-A> okay
[07:37:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll try it.
[07:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> how's EMC on a lathe working these days?
[07:39:30] <A-L-P-H-A> are there lathe functions now?
[07:53:01] <alex_joni> some
[07:53:12] <alex_joni> maybe now at fest there will be some further improvement
[07:53:32] <A-L-P-H-A> make the fest in Sacremento... so i can kill two birds with one stone.
[07:53:42] <alex_joni> it's already running
[07:53:47] <A-L-P-H-A> where?
[07:53:52] <alex_joni> EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com
[07:54:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Cameron, Il?
[07:54:54] <A-L-P-H-A> doesn't it start today?
[07:55:01] <alex_joni> yup
[07:55:09] <A-L-P-H-A> you going? [take it no]
[07:55:19] <alex_joni> unfortunately no
[07:55:47] <alex_joni> only 9-10 timezones away ;)
[07:56:10] <A-L-P-H-A> :|
[07:58:33] <alex_joni> updated http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
[08:02:00] <A-L-P-H-A> didn't work
[08:02:12] <A-L-P-H-A> oh now it did
[08:41:48] <A-L-P-H-A> done downloading it
[08:41:49] <A-L-P-H-A> wow.
[08:41:57] <A-L-P-H-A> that took a while to download 672megs
[08:42:05] <alex_joni> what speed?
[08:42:10] <alex_joni> 40 minutes..
[08:42:15] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. 40 minutes
[08:42:50] <A-L-P-H-A> ~280KBps
[08:43:03] <A-L-P-H-A> you are also across the ocean.
[08:43:21] <alex_joni> 280 kB is pretty decent
[08:43:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess... :)
[08:45:43] <alex_joni> let me know how it works
[08:52:48] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, i'll try it in the morning for you.
[08:53:13] <Bo^Dick> does anyone of you use debian linux?
[08:53:22] <A-L-P-H-A> ubuntu count?
[08:54:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm off.
[08:54:25] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao
[08:58:18] <chinamill> Bo^Dick: ubuntu and debian is very similar
[09:13:48] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: I have a few (debians, bdi & ubuntus)
[09:13:55] <alex_joni> all are debian based
[09:22:23] <chinamill> alex_joni:: are you using emc with any of the robots you work with?
[09:22:53] <alex_joni> chinamill: nope, they have their own control & closed interfaces :(
[09:26:01] <chinamill> So what stuff do you do with the robots?
[09:27:34] <chinamill> If I may ask.
[09:32:39] <alex_joni> chinamill: welding
[09:34:12] <alex_joni> bbl
[11:47:16] <VNR> hi from agentina
[11:47:36] <VNR> fenn, alex_joni are you there ?
[11:48:07] <chinamill> Are you in Argentina?
[11:48:18] <VNR> yes i am
[11:48:31] <chinamill> alex_joni will be back later
[11:49:10] <VNR> i was talking to him and fenn yerterday and i have some feedback
[11:49:26] <chinamill> aha...
[11:50:05] <VNR> can i leave a message to him trought the ChanServ ?
[11:50:16] <chinamill> No idea
[11:51:04] <chinamill> I think Argentina would be a good country for bio gas. Farmers use a stables in the windertime right?
[11:51:16] <VNR> could you help me with an installation problem ?
[11:51:23] <chinamill> maybe
[11:51:45] <chinamill> what is your problem?
[11:51:45] <VNR> bio gas is in developmet. what is "stables" ?
[11:52:02] <chinamill> in door place for the animals
[11:52:44] <chinamill> do you run emc2?
[11:52:49] <VNR> indoor place only for milk i think, not for eat
[11:53:02] <VNR> not yet running
[11:53:26] <chinamill> so farmers put the cows i a barn (house) during the winter?
[11:53:40] <chinamill> Are you trying to install emc2?
[11:53:43] <VNR> i cant install it without internet connected, the step 7 in the How-To guide doesnt work
[11:53:51] <chinamill> ok
[11:53:59] <chinamill> running ubuntu?
[11:54:20] <chinamill> Do you have the URL to the how to guide?
[11:54:26] <jepler> meanin of stable: http://www.answers.com/stable for animals, look at meaning 2
[11:54:34] <VNR> no, the cow is always in the country i think, i've never seen big houses for them
[11:54:45] <chinamill> :)
[11:55:37] <VNR> i live in a city, i dont know so much about cows but when i travel i see them always in the country (during all the year)
[11:56:01] <jepler> right now, using the "emc2-install.sh" method of installation on ubuntu requires internet access to run it
[11:56:15] <chinamill> yes and no
[11:56:33] <chinamill> I installed ububtu without internet
[11:56:50] <chinamill> and then later added EMC2 plus kernel etc
[11:57:15] <chinamill> it is possible but needs a little bit of pussleing
[11:57:16] <jepler> chinamill: did you use emc2-install.sh or some other method? It is possible to download the needed .deb files and install them manually.
[11:57:27] <chinamill> other method
[11:57:49] <chinamill> yep, i downloaded and installed manually
[11:57:52] <jepler> I am working on a CD image which contains emc2 but it's not ready yet.
[11:57:59] <VNR> the emc2-install.sh doenst work for my, i dont have internet access
[11:58:10] <chinamill> exact!
[11:58:38] <jepler> you need to download all these packages some other way, and then put them on your computer. bwidget emc2 emc2-axis libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common linux-image-2.6.12-magma rtai-modules-2.6.12-magma
[11:59:36] <chinamill> VNR: jepler way is the only I know
[12:00:14] <chinamill> dpkg -i yourpkt.deb
[12:00:16] <VNR> yes, i downloaded all the packages, but when i try tio install those some said that they need a dependency
[12:00:37] <VNR> such as g++3.3 and gcc-3.3-base linux-kernel-headers installed
[12:01:37] <VNR> i use dpkg -i XX to install
[12:01:42] <chinamill> jepler: I guess it would be ok to install anyway (like -f with rpm)
[12:02:07] <VNR> i found some dependencies in the ubuntu 5.1 CD but some others not foud there
[12:02:09] <chinamill> -f = force when using rpm
[12:02:12] <jepler> do you mean all the files from "dsplabs"? some of these files come from the main ubuntu site. if you install emc2-dev or kernel-source from "dsplabs" then it will need many more packages
[12:02:40] <jepler> I think these packages come from the ubuntu site: bwidget libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common
[12:02:44] <jepler> the rest from "dsplabs"
[12:03:00] <VNR> what is dsplabs ?
[12:03:16] <chinamill> where did you download?
[12:03:45] <chinamill> Just try to intall these packages bwidget emc2 emc2-axis libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common linux-image-2.6.12-magma rtai-modules-2.6.12-magma
[12:03:47] <jepler> VNR: dsplabs is part of the name of the site with the emc2 debian packages. I figured that's where you donloaded the packages.
[12:03:48] <chinamill> no else
[12:03:51] <VNR> i found the packages from the search engine of ubuntu
[12:04:19] <chinamill> cool emc2=famous :)
[12:04:52] <VNR> found in packages.ubuntu.com
[12:05:46] <jepler> it's if you install emc2-dev or kernel-source that packages like g++ are needed. but you do not need any of these packages if you just want to use emc2.
[12:06:04] <chinamill> can you try to only install bwidget emc2 emc2-axis libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common
[12:06:32] <VNR> when i boot again i coul choose the linux-image-2.6.12-magma kernel and it works, is this ok right ?
[12:06:51] <chinamill> most probably
[12:07:56] <jepler> yes that is a good first step
[12:07:58] <VNR> i have the sources of emc2 in a tar.gz, do i need to install a .deb ?
[12:08:36] <jepler> to use the source from a tar.gz is more complicated and may require more packages
[12:09:08] <VNR> where can i get the emc2 in .deb ?
[12:09:35] <chinamill> if you try to install bwidget emc2 emc2-axis libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common ontop of what you have, it will proably work
[12:10:17] <jepler> you will find chris radek's debian packages here: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/dists/breezy/ this includes emc2 and emc2-axis
[12:10:49] <jepler> http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/dists/breezy/emc2/binary-i386/emc2_2.0.0_i386.deb http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/dists/breezy/emc2/binary-i386/emc2-axis_1.3a2-0.4_i386.deb
[12:11:41] <VNR> ok, they are all already installed, i only need the emc2_2, i will try that
[12:12:46] <jepler> OK. I have to leave now. I hope we can talk later.
[12:12:56] <jepler> VNR: it was nice to meet you
[12:13:08] <VNR> thanks you jepler, mee too
[12:14:02] <VNR> bye chinamill
[12:14:51] <chinamill> bye bye
[12:51:37] <alex_joni> darn, just missed VNR
[12:52:40] <alex_joni> jepler: in case you get around to read this.. I asked VNR to download the LiveCD and apt-cdrom add & install emc2-axis from the CD.. was wondering how he did
[13:02:40] <chinamill> He said he wounl download the packages individualy
[13:03:05] <chinamill> I think anyway
[13:04:00] <chinamill> alex_joni: I know the company where you work manufactures robots, but what do you do with them, What is your work?
[13:04:38] <alex_joni> chinamill: we only sell them, we don't manufacture them
[13:04:49] <alex_joni> they are made in germany, and we set them up, program , service, etc
[13:04:52] <chinamill> ok
[13:10:37] <chinamill> installera xfce4
[13:10:46] <alex_joni> xfce4 is really nice
[13:11:06] <chinamill> wrong window, sorry :)
[13:11:59] <chinamill> Yes, its nice, and light!
[14:18:07] <alex_joni> hello jmkasunich-fest ;)
[14:24:20] <jmkasunich> hi
[14:24:31] <alex_joni> how are things over there? setting up & all?
[14:24:36] <jmkasunich> yeah
[14:24:46] <jmkasunich> the festcam is going to be a bit dissapointing
[14:24:58] <alex_joni> how so?
[14:25:04] <alex_joni> too dark?
[14:25:05] <jmkasunich> the "developers corner" where it is easy to set up is somewhat secluded
[14:25:13] <alex_joni> ahh.. n/m ;)
[14:25:35] <jmkasunich> the area I'd like to point the cam at (where ray is teaching classes,and where the retrofit activity is) is hard to set up the camers
[14:25:42] <alex_joni> wifi?
[14:25:55] <alex_joni> or just use a normal snapshot cam ;)
[14:26:05] <jmkasunich> I either need a long usb cable, or I have to put the drivers and such on another box
[14:26:25] <alex_joni> don't waste too much time on this, it's not that important ;)
[14:26:43] <alex_joni> fotos should be enough..
[14:27:13] <jmkasunich> I wanted to make a movie afterwards ;-)
[14:29:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what types of things are done during the fest?
[14:29:52] <alex_joni> hmm, last year there was a list..
[14:30:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> teaching classes dounds strange (I thought of it as a small convention-like thing)
[14:31:53] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: it's a workshop thing going on
[14:32:05] <alex_joni> then besides that there are some lectures about emc
[14:32:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so mechanical things?
[14:32:19] <alex_joni> and some emc developers gathered up to code together
[14:32:28] <alex_joni> and they might continue on the mazak project
[14:32:31] <alex_joni> and so on
[14:32:40] <alex_joni> EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com <- check it out
[14:32:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> lectures about emc? that sounds... strange. Why not read documentation (coughcough) or come to IRC or something?
[14:33:10] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: why does it sound strange?
[14:33:22] <alex_joni> I've seen lectures (didn't attned though) on almost any software
[14:34:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> shouldn't an OSS project have enough documentation written so people can figure it out without meeting IRL? (which type of lectures are we talking about here, how to do stuff or why-you-should-run-EMC?)
[14:35:28] <alex_joni> there is never that kind of documentation that replaces a lecture by someone who knows the stuff
[14:35:38] <alex_joni> because of the feedback
[14:36:15] <alex_joni> Ray Henry will present a class and discussion each morning
[14:36:15] <alex_joni> Monday -- Introduction to EMC2
[14:36:15] <alex_joni> Tuesday -- Using the Hardware Abstraction Layer part 1
[14:36:15] <alex_joni> Wednesday -- Using the Hardware Abstraction Layer part 2
[14:36:15] <alex_joni> Thursday -- Ladder logic programming part 1
[14:36:17] <alex_joni> Friday -- Ladder logic programming part 2
[14:36:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's true, however I'd like to think that IRC/forums can get close to that (although with a much higher latency)
[14:42:29] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: I tend to feel the same way, but I think some people are different from me.
[14:42:41] <alex_joni> hi jeff
[14:43:39] <jepler> hi alex
[14:44:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've also got the impression that lectures=>expense (by that I mean !=free) which is not to good from my perspective (a student)
[14:44:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hello jepler
[14:44:30] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: If you're already attending fest, I don't believe the lectures are an extra cost.
[14:44:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alas, I'm not coming, the travel distance is a bit far
[14:44:58] <jepler> yeah, I know
[14:45:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> we swedish users will have to host our own fest ;)
[14:46:32] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: there will probably be an EU fest next year
[14:46:42] <alex_joni> probably in germany.. so half way ;)
[14:46:51] <alex_joni> half way from here to sweden ;)
[14:46:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's much closer
[14:46:57] <alex_joni> or the other way around :P
[14:47:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> more like, hmm. 1/5 of the distance (and the cost)
[14:48:01] <alex_joni> not sure about the cost.. I found cheaper tickets to the US than sweden :D
[14:48:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> where are you from?
[14:48:21] <alex_joni> .ro
[14:48:24] <alex_joni> as in romania ;)
[14:48:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, that sounds very strange
[14:48:44] <alex_joni> how so?
[14:49:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sweden sounds like just a hop-skip from romania, but I assume that the price is much more expensive becuase of the lower trafic, or something
[14:49:28] <alex_joni> right..
[14:51:22] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=timisoara,+romania&ll=45.733561,21.210855&spn=0.001711,0.005375&t=h&om=1
[14:51:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the fest next year, is it likely that many people from the US come to that, or will it mainly be people from europe?
[14:51:52] <alex_joni> I'm just in the middle of the screen
[14:51:58] <alex_joni> probably a few will come
[14:54:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> googlemaps doesn't have nearly as high-res an image over gothenburg as they do in romania... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=&near=sweden&ll=57.72684,11.918106&spn=0.029514,0.10849&t=h&om=1
[14:55:47] <alex_joni> we're of more interest ;)
[14:55:50] <alex_joni> LOL
[14:59:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> apparently so ;)
[15:04:32] <anonimasu> hm, where are we having a eu fest?
[15:05:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I beleive alex_joni knows. Somewhere in deutchland apparently
[15:06:33] <anonimasu> I'll be there
[15:06:34] <anonimasu> :)
[15:06:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I may be there as well
[15:28:58] <alex_joni> anonimasu: it's not sure yet, but it would be nice ;)
[15:30:50] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yss9zTjlbXE <- lol
[15:36:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: that was... strange. Not what I had expected at least
[15:37:32] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: but funny still ;)
[15:37:41] <alex_joni> it's nice to hear that in the morning :D
[15:37:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes indeed
[16:37:46] <skunkworks> I had an odd issue saturday. All I can figure out is z stalled. But for the life of me I can;t get it to do it again.
[16:38:25] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks, did you ever finish making that ball within a cube frame? it was make out of some resin.
[16:38:36] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=37499&pid=628400&src=flash_slideticker
[16:38:37] <skunkworks> I was drilling 250 or so holes - it drilled 3 and didn't back out moved over and broke the drill
[16:38:58] <skunkworks> No - that was walnut. - need a longer ball end mill to do a decent job.
[16:39:24] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[16:39:32] <skunkworks> I will - there are some people where I work that would like some :)
[16:40:32] <skunkworks> the program is here - http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Oword
[16:42:26] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[16:43:51] <skunkworks> just made a vaccum table to do some circuit boards http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/vactop.JPG
[16:44:10] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/vacback.JPG
[16:44:58] <A-L-P-H-A> interesting.
[16:45:03] <A-L-P-H-A> what are you gonna hold on it?
[16:45:19] <skunkworks> this is what I was drilling when z stalled. goofed aound with it - tried to get it to stall agian and couldn't. Restarted the program and it dilled all the holes no problem
[16:45:41] <skunkworks> right now copperclad board to make some circuit boards
[16:45:57] <skunkworks> But it will be nice to have for otherthings
[16:46:37] <bill203> how much suction does it need to hold?
[16:46:39] <skunkworks> using maple plywood for the replaceable top - could try mdf also
[16:46:51] <Jymmm> skunkworks: for?
[16:47:36] <skunkworks> I can put a 3X4 inch circuit board on it and can't slide it around
[16:47:47] <A-L-P-H-A> neat.
[16:48:03] <skunkworks> jymmm: rephrase - I don't understand
[16:48:20] <Jymmm> for? ---> <skunkworks> using maple plywood for the replaceable top - could try mdf also
[16:48:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> as it is now you can't grab onto anything smaller than the outer dimensions for the slots?
[16:48:52] <skunkworks> I will be drilling through so the top will have to be replaceable
[16:48:57] <skunkworks> consumable
[16:49:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how much force do you need to apply to move the pcb/other object along the X or Y axis?
[16:49:17] <Jymmm> skunkworks what are you making?
[16:49:18] <skunkworks> the slots are the back side of the board - the top will only have the holes
[16:49:43] <skunkworks> the slots are for the vaccume to be routed to the holes
[16:50:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you have an o-ring or something similar or just place it against the wood?
[16:50:11] <skunkworks> Jymmm: right now - milling circuit boards.
[16:50:32] <skunkworks> just place it against the wood
[16:50:42] <skunkworks> 1hp vane vaccum pump
[16:50:48] <skunkworks> or there abouts
[16:52:55] <skunkworks> the holes are need to be drilled all the way through in the center - have not done that yet
[16:53:15] <skunkworks> where the big hole is in the aluminum cube
[16:53:20] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Instead of ply or mdf, you could try that dark brown high density stuff. sur to not leak
[16:53:22] <Jymmm> sure
[16:53:51] <Jymmm> about 1/4" thick
[16:54:56] <skunkworks> I would then have to put something in the hole to support - the way it is now - 3/4 inch maple plywood deflect around .005" in the center of the hole (5.25 in diameter)
[16:55:23] <A-L-P-H-A> http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2006/05/free_calls_to_all_landlines_an.html
[16:56:15] <Jymmm> skunkworks: make a grid under the cover, then no deflection
[16:56:43] <Jymmm> you could even use mdf for that, just cutting big holes and slots.
[16:57:45] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A very cool
[16:57:51] <skunkworks> right - for now though I don't have to machine over the hole :)
[16:57:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks make sense?
[16:58:18] <Jymmm> ok, fair enough
[17:01:26] <skunkworks> The hole opens into a chamber - I cold maybe glue another piece of board that would set into the hole
[17:01:43] <skunkworks> glued to the vaccum table top
[17:01:58] <skunkworks> probably deflect less
[17:01:59] <Jymmm> to keep it from bowing?
[17:02:03] <skunkworks> right
[17:02:26] <Jymmm> if I understand correctly... sounds cheese
[17:02:29] <Jymmm> cheesey
[17:02:55] <skunkworks> or make a metal disk and mill out the bottom of the table top to set on it
[17:03:26] <Jymmm> you mean for mounting to the metal table already there?
[17:04:00] <jmkasunich> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml - the NIST lathe running cradek's threading code
[17:04:44] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: nice
[17:05:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that lathe is tiny :|
[17:05:10] <skunkworks> cool
[17:05:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> but cool nonetheless
[17:06:18] <jmkasunich> sherline
[17:06:49] <Jymmm> who's running it? Reminds me of "Norm" =)
[17:07:04] <Jymmm> everybody wearing plad or what?!
[17:07:04] <jmkasunich> cradek
[17:07:14] <jmkasunich> plaid and facial hair
[17:07:17] <Jymmm> lol
[17:07:38] <Jymmm> "Welcoem to the EMC Yankee Workshop"
[17:07:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the travel seems to be exceedling large in Z axis, why is it so long in Z axis?
[17:08:47] <Jymmm> jmkasunich It's kinda funny if you think about it... remember all those pics for the 70's where they are wirewrapping their new computer kits?
[17:09:03] <Jymmm> All had facial hair and plaid too
[17:09:26] <skunkworks> I think that is the first time I have seen what cradek looks like
[17:10:07] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hides his one plaid shirt out of site (hey, it's lined and my only jacket... This is California ya know)
[17:10:46] <Jymmm> cradek: Wave to the camera!!!
[17:17:40] <anonimasu> hm
[17:19:28] <skunkworks> someone needs to set up live video - Its fun for a while but now I actually want to see the laith move :)
[17:24:41] <Jymmm> skunkworks: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vacuum-table-XL-for-engraving-milling-and-CNC-machine_W0QQitemZ7618947380QQcategoryZ12584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[17:26:25] <Jymmm> heh, the demo on the forklift they are just using a shopvac it looks like
[17:28:29] <giacus> hello
[17:28:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hio
[17:28:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *hi
[17:28:49] <A-L-P-H-A> Jesus, the USD is worthless these days.
[17:28:58] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.xe.com/
[17:29:42] <anonimasu> yep
[17:29:47] <anonimasu> I think I should buy some in a bit
[17:30:00] <giacus> is there any live streaming of the fest somewhere ?
[17:30:16] <jmkasunich> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[17:30:23] <giacus> nice
[17:30:24] <jmkasunich> live streaming at one frame per minute
[17:30:39] <giacus> K
[17:30:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> why the low framerate? would an increase overload the server?
[17:31:26] <jmkasunich> there is only DSL here, don't want to eat it up with uploads
[17:31:37] <jmkasunich> we probably have 15 people sharing the network
[17:31:39] <A-L-P-H-A> sherlines? :(
[17:31:41] <A-L-P-H-A> toys!
[17:31:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, it's privately hosted?
[17:32:03] <A-L-P-H-A> i thought jepler was hosting this.
[17:32:11] <jmkasunich> the images are hosted at a big isp, but they need uploaded from the the camera to the hoster
[17:32:24] <jmkasunich> it is what it is.....
[17:32:37] <giacus> its okay, nice
[17:32:43] <A-L-P-H-A> it is... non-pooh. but not roses either.
[17:32:47] <Jymmm> Damn it hits the corners fast! http://www.vakuumtisch.de/videos/demo_fraesen1.avi
[17:33:10] <jmkasunich> its more than we've ever had before, so quit bitching
[17:33:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'm not bitching, just curious ;)
[17:33:56] <A-L-P-H-A> notice the delay right before the last corner?
[17:33:56] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[17:33:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm.
[17:34:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Jymmm: what do you mean by hits the corners fast?
[17:34:39] <Jymmm> no slowdown
[17:34:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> A-L-P-H-A: I take it that delay is for the downward feed
[17:34:53] <A-L-P-H-A> there was a slight pause... looks like it wasn't reading ahead, or anticipating stuff.
[17:35:01] <A-L-P-H-A> Lerneaen_Hydra, could have ramped in instead.
[17:35:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> why would it need to slow down, the corners have a relatively high radius
[17:35:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> A-L-P-H-A: that's true, but if programmed by hand maybe the person didn't think of that. or something. yeah.
[17:44:40] <anonimasu> 33hm
[17:44:41] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:57:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 33hm?
[18:03:11] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:17:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what is 33hm?
[18:28:43] <Jymmm> Aw fuck me... http://www.paymentsnews.com/2006/04/redspin_triple_.html
[18:31:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> "...including the use of transmission control protocol/Internet protocol (TCP/IP) -- moving ATMs off their own dedicated lines, and on to the banks' networks." <--- Is it just me or does that sound like a really really bad move? (sure, they save a bit of money, but come on, data of that importance on the public internet? That's just begging for trouble)
[18:32:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> IMO no encryption at all (only a one-time pad comes close, but is impractical at best, and not implementable at all in this case) is far inferior to having a dedicated line
[18:33:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> err, I mean any encryption format at all is inferior
[18:35:18] <fenn> i'm going to have that "loituma" stuck in my head all week
[18:46:14] <alex_joni> fenn: lol
[18:47:08] <fenn> alex_joni: have you heard the flash version that loops forever?
[18:47:25] <alex_joni> no, and I'm not sure I want to.. ?
[18:47:46] <alex_joni> but.. hit me ;)
[18:47:49] <fenn> i think its better actually
[18:48:09] <fenn> http://loituma.antyx.net/
[18:51:49] <alex_joni> insane ;)
[18:51:51] <alex_joni> but nice
[18:51:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> goodnight all
[18:52:09] <alex_joni> night Lerneaen_Hydra
[18:57:53] <chinamill> What is the link to search for ububtu deb packages?
[18:58:03] <fenn> packages.ubuntu.com
[18:59:52] <chinamill> thanks!
[19:05:09] <anonimasu> I love that song :D
[19:17:57] <Jymmm> Good Article... http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:153106
[19:21:23] <bigAl> Question. Who is in overall charge of this project ?
[19:23:21] <alex_joni> bigAl: in charge of an open source project?
[19:23:26] <alex_joni> ;-)
[19:23:37] <alex_joni> bigAl: there is a BoardOfDirectors for the EMC project
[19:24:09] <fenn> * fenn yawns
[19:24:09] <alex_joni> bigAl: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=10
[19:24:31] <fenn> Jymmm: thats pathetic that the fbi couldnt brute force wexcrypt
[19:25:14] <Jymmm> Ya for the good guys! (For clarification.... fbi !+ good guys =)
[19:25:20] <Jymmm> !=
[19:25:47] <fenn> well it goes to show just how bad the terrorists are in this country :)
[19:25:54] <fenn> did you notice it was an "air gun silencer"
[19:26:01] <fenn> what's that mean, like a bb gun??
[19:26:32] <Jymmm> no, airgun is this thing that shoots plastic pellets... sorta like paint ball, but w/o the paint.
[19:26:48] <Jymmm> google "airsoft"
[19:26:55] <fenn> wtf!!!!!
[19:27:27] <Jymmm> it's like bb/pellets of old, but now plastic.
[19:27:51] <bigAl> let me put it another way. Is there a single person than can make some minor changes now and at a later stage apply larger patches ?
[19:28:13] <fenn> any of the 50 or so developers can do that
[19:29:39] <fenn> ...thats sorta the point of open source
[19:29:49] <bigAl> and where would I find a list of these people ?
[19:30:05] <fenn> hmm
[19:30:12] <alex_joni> bigAl: what changes?
[19:30:36] <alex_joni> bigAl: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emc
[19:30:38] <bigAl> two minor ones to start with.
[19:30:47] <alex_joni> you can see there a list of developers
[19:30:58] <alex_joni> if you want I can do that for you.. got nothing else urgent right now
[19:31:08] <alex_joni> mail me a patch?
[19:31:43] <bigAl> No patch. not needed.
[19:32:19] <alex_joni> oh, ok.. then maybe join #emc-devel
[19:32:23] <alex_joni> and let's talk in there
[19:33:23] <bigAl> how many channels are there for emc ?
[19:33:33] <fenn> yeah!
[19:33:55] <fenn> the people want to know!
[19:34:05] <giacus> :-)
[19:34:18] <bigAl> three, four mailing lists, now two irc channels.
[19:34:31] <alex_joni> bigAl: big community
[19:34:36] <fenn> pff
[19:34:41] <fenn> it's all giacus' fault
[19:34:46] <giacus> bigAl: EMC its a BIG project :D
[19:35:04] <giacus> hehe
[19:35:05] <fenn> noisy italianos!
[19:35:14] <Jymmm> I love it (and I hate/boycott Besy Buy too)!!! http://www.improveverywhere.com/mission_view.php?mission_id=57
[19:35:25] <giacus> * giacus waves to fenn
[19:35:48] <giacus> I'm thinking to migrate in australia :P
[19:36:07] <giacus> or new zealand
[19:36:53] <giacus> * giacus is tired to watch soccer
[19:40:52] <giacus> why bigAl quit here ? he could run to copies of IRC client to join 2 channels :D
[19:41:21] <giacus> Jymmm: what's up ?
[19:41:32] <giacus> how are going reality show there ?
[19:41:58] <giacus> we got 3-4/day until now ..
[19:42:10] <giacus> bleach *_*
[19:43:08] <giacus> scanning 40 tv channels can't found an interesting program
[19:43:40] <ccjoe> ccjoe is now known as carlg
[19:44:01] <giacus> ho, found an old western with Henry Fonda ! :P
[19:44:15] <carlg> carlg is now known as ccjoe
[20:01:13] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: (writes 100 times on the blackboard) I won't make one more tiny tweak before I commit a change and after I test
[20:20:25] <cradek> hi matt
[20:20:35] <mshaver> hi chris
[20:20:44] <mshaver> you at Roland's?
[20:20:53] <cradek> yes
[20:21:00] <mshaver> ray there too?
[20:21:18] <fenn> looks like you guys are squished pretty tight behind some machines
[20:21:20] <cradek> yes, ray, jmk, jepler, me, etc
[20:22:03] <mshaver> just thought I'd ask if you wanted me to bring anything - Steve Stallings & I are leaving tomorrow afternoon
[20:23:03] <cradek> asking...
[20:24:16] <cradek> none of us can think of anything
[20:24:25] <cradek> we all brought pretty much everything
[20:24:33] <mshaver> not surprising ;)
[20:25:29] <mshaver> i have some stg cards, kulaga dro board, grex, etc...
[20:26:54] <jmkasunich> matt:
[20:27:02] <jmkasunich> bring the stg and kulaga
[20:27:09] <mshaver> ok
[20:27:29] <jmkasunich> I want to get all the drivers to match the "canonical interface" so they all can be used for threading
[20:27:37] <jmkasunich> and maybe we can write a driver for the kulaga
[20:27:45] <jmkasunich> do you have docs for it?
[20:27:45] <mshaver> should I bring my own PC? or are there a bunch there already?
[20:27:55] <jmkasunich> never too many PCs
[20:27:57] <mshaver> yep, pretty simple board
[20:28:16] <mshaver> ok, I'll get something togehter for a pc
[20:29:32] <mshaver> i'm hoping to spend the whole time working on software - specs;code;docs;etc...
[20:30:43] <cradek> mshaver: do you have docs for the mightydrive?
[20:31:53] <mshaver> pinouts mainly - i'll dig it uip
[20:33:36] <giacus> who moved the fest livecam ? :D
[20:34:04] <mshaver> there's a cam?
[20:34:20] <giacus> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[20:34:27] <giacus> I'm looking at that
[20:37:30] <fenn> boy that's depressing.. they put up survey stakes in my yard
[20:38:43] <bill203> move them a bit.
[20:38:56] <fenn> dont worry we will give them some hell
[20:39:07] <giacus> seen a couple of boys typyng but not machines running yet :P
[20:39:26] <mshaver> why? didn't you want your land surveyed?
[20:39:28] <giacus> wonder if 20:34:56 is theyr local time
[20:39:58] <fenn> mshaver: surveying for destruction of the place i live, to build shitty beige houses
[20:40:12] <mshaver> no, s/b 15:40 in IL
[20:40:49] <giacus> oh .. 22:41 here :)
[20:41:26] <mshaver> well, that's progress... or perhaps regress...
[20:41:32] <giacus> hehe
[20:42:36] <fenn> the landlord wont even answer the phone to tell us how long we have left
[20:42:58] <mshaver> you have a lease?
[20:43:15] <fenn> yeah til august, we've been here 3 years now
[20:44:19] <fenn> well.. that's why i'm building a hexapod and not a 5000 pound concrete mill
[20:44:32] <fenn> pack it up in a suitcase
[20:44:43] <mshaver> then you have till August... Buy a place out in the country - property is cheap out in the midwest (compared to where I live anyway)
[20:45:02] <fenn> yeah we are discussing our options
[20:49:58] <giacus> do you guys heard about IBM reseach about new technology of memory card ?
[20:50:24] <giacus> data will be stored used atoms
[20:50:43] <giacus> we could have 1 terabyte memory card soon O_O
[20:50:57] <giacus> amazing.. this would be a revolution
[20:52:09] <giacus> anyone can store all data in few cm of card, computer will be just a box
[20:55:10] <giacus> a cellhpone will record 400 hour of video ..
[20:57:50] <giacus> s /used/using
[21:11:47] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: typo
[21:18:20] <jepler> mazac panel: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/panel.jpg
[21:18:39] <alex_joni> yay.. good pictures at last
[21:20:01] <giacus> jepler: nice
[21:22:33] <jepler> i over-sharpened it so that all the letters were legible
[21:22:35] <jepler> alex_joni: now get to work!
[21:23:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni still can't read much
[21:23:07] <alex_joni> don't have a bigger one?
[21:34:39] <dmessier> high all.. ; )
[21:35:06] <alex_joni> high again?
[21:35:58] <dmessier> how MUCH of rs274NGC_3 has been implemented>???
[21:36:09] <dmessier> i fly when i can
[21:36:14] <alex_joni> I think all..
[21:36:23] <alex_joni> but I've been wrong before
[21:36:24] <dmessier> probing too??
[21:36:27] <giacus> hey dmessier :P
[21:36:35] <dmessier> boo
[21:36:38] <alex_joni> yeah, in emc1
[21:36:48] <alex_joni> in emc2 it's currently not enabled, but most is there
[21:37:07] <dmessier> cool.. ive seen or heard of no implementations... odd
[21:37:21] <dmessier> why NOT enabled???
[21:37:25] <alex_joni> there were a few people who used it
[21:37:36] <alex_joni> dmessier: only copied over, not fully tested or anything
[21:37:45] <alex_joni> and there was not much request for it
[21:38:04] <dmessier> well as a fanuc emulator.. it NEEDS it
[21:38:32] <dmessier> i think i can sell a retro onto a working machine at work
[21:39:26] <dmessier> and should it go well it gcould be a GLOBAL retro solution
[21:39:57] <skunkworks> I think we are looking at the top of jmk's head :)
[21:40:40] <dmessier> we have plants in England, France, China , Canada
[21:40:49] <alex_joni> that picture hasn't updated in quite a while
[21:40:54] <skunkworks> ah
[21:40:58] <alex_joni> I think jmk is moving the cam to another machine
[21:41:06] <jmkasunich> trying to
[21:41:24] <fenn> dmessier: there's not a heck of a lot you can do once you have the probed points
[21:41:36] <dmessier> i removed the cam... (kids were showing their BUTTS)
[21:41:47] <fenn> dmessier: for example, if you wanted to rotate the part program to match the stock you plunked down on the table
[21:42:00] <fenn> there's currently not any code to do that
[21:42:45] <dmessier> but i might be able to solve that... WE have a VERY extensive FANUC library of basic functions
[21:42:47] <alex_joni> fenn: sometimes (mostly?) probing is used in inspection apps
[21:43:02] <alex_joni> test / measure stuff
[21:43:12] <dmessier> or to reset coord.. chk for distortion...
[21:43:39] <dmessier> alighn and split the differanc.. stuff
[21:43:51] <skunkworks> our fanuc control had a rotate command - I played with it for a few minutes and then figured out it wasn't activated. That would be cool - but could be done in cad (how we did it)
[21:43:51] <dmessier> center of rotation
[21:44:30] <dmessier> i have the params to turn it on if youd like.. somewhere
[21:45:09] <skunkworks> that is what I heard - you get a new epromm - and bits to turn on. The eprom was not even needed.
[21:45:31] <dmessier> prolly NOT
[21:45:51] <dmessier> 9000 series params
[21:46:16] <dmessier> what breed of fanuc
[21:46:22] <skunkworks> like I said - just what I heard. the controller runs a laser - pretty basic stuff.
[21:46:41] <skunkworks> been a while - OE?
[21:46:47] <skunkworks> does that make sense?
[21:47:10] <dmessier> why would you rotate a laser without the mechanical axes to tilt??
[21:47:39] <dmessier> O-series..modelE
[21:47:58] <skunkworks> that sounds right
[21:48:25] <dmessier> o's were limited.... bare bones plug and play control for the loer end stuff
[21:48:29] <skunkworks> its been a while
[21:48:45] <dmessier> i worked many to the BONE
[21:48:58] <dmessier> tiawan machines...
[21:49:21] <dmessier> then the meldas come along
[21:49:33] <skunkworks> this laser cutter what made in WI
[21:49:38] <skunkworks> suprisingly
[21:49:47] <skunkworks> but they just made the tabel
[21:49:49] <skunkworks> table
[21:49:56] <skunkworks> prc laser - fanuc controller
[21:52:39] <dmessier> we had a laser "forgot the name" fanuc 6... was basic pos'n z pierce m code.... 2-d profile...
[21:53:11] <giacus> http://www.unitedwestandmovie.com/
[21:53:22] <giacus> nice film
[21:54:27] <dmessier> who you standin WITH.... we're tacking our bat and ball and GOING home... ; )
[21:54:46] <giacus> haha these guys are funny !
[21:54:49] <giacus> http://0100101110101101.org/index.html
[21:55:24] <dmessier> your KIllin me
[21:55:32] <giacus> :D
[21:56:28] <dmessier> you will be scolded when you get home...
[21:57:32] <dmessier> ever seen an IRATE bird.... YOU will...
[21:59:05] <Jymmm> dmessier: If oyu think they were showing ONLY their butts, I think you have a lil surprise coming
[21:59:07] <dmessier> could CL handle a full ladder from an existing machine manual???
[21:59:31] <jmkasunich> it has limitations as to number of rungs, contacts, coils, etc
[21:59:35] <alex_joni> dmessier: if you have the nerve to write it..
[21:59:43] <jmkasunich> so it would depend on how big the ladder is
[22:00:16] <dmessier> ah... and where do those limitations lie??
[22:00:36] <alex_joni> dmessier: deep inside..
[22:01:14] <jmkasunich> loadrt classicladder_rt numRungs=50 numBits=50 numWords=8 numTimers=10 numMonostables=10 numPhysInputs=30 numPhysOutputs=30 numArithmExpr=4 numSections=4
[22:01:15] <dmessier> could 2 cl's be run together??
[22:01:23] <jmkasunich> that is from the demo-mazak config
[22:01:31] <jmkasunich> those limits are known to work
[22:01:38] <dmessier> thats not many....
[22:01:43] <jmkasunich> dunno how much bigger you could go
[22:02:14] <jmkasunich> the shared memory block can _probably_ be made bigger, but that is untested
[22:02:17] <dmessier> need the hardware to try unfortunately... and too late to learn then...
[22:02:20] <alex_joni> no, only 1 CL at a time (from the source code documentation)
[22:03:15] <dmessier> i have seen 5000 rung ladders on some toshiba machines...
[22:03:30] <fenn> * fenn runs screaming in terror
[22:03:35] <alex_joni> * insmod classicladder_rt <numRungs=10> <numBits=500> <numWords=50>
[22:03:35] <alex_joni> * <numTimers=8> <numMonostables=8> <numPhysInputs=10>
[22:03:35] <alex_joni> * <numPhysOutputs=50> <numArithmExpr=100> <numSections=10>
[22:03:46] <alex_joni> that's the default values
[22:04:37] <dmessier> Way too limited at the current time ti REALLY consider a FULL retro.. and sell a better machine..
[22:05:04] <alex_joni> dmessier: that doesn't mean you can't set up more than that..
[22:05:13] <jmkasunich> sell = $, what do you expect for free? You have to put something into it if you want to make money with it
[22:05:49] <dmessier> i sell to MYSELF.. when i work for FREE
[22:07:04] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com | Home: linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller | No bitching about emc allowed
[22:07:15] <alex_joni> ;-)
[22:07:23] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com | Home: linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[22:07:44] <dmessier> i'm NOT bitchin'..... i LOVE cl...
[22:07:51] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com | Home: linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller || No bitches allowed... this means you alex!
[22:08:06] <alex_joni> funny indeed
[22:08:08] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com | Home: linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[22:08:40] <jepler> wow that was worse than the old "emc2 actually compiles" messages
[22:08:46] <jepler> can you guys please keep it down with the title changes?
[22:08:46] <dmessier> are we all a wee bit sensitive.... that time of the month guys??
[22:08:55] <Jymmm> full moon
[22:09:09] <alex_joni> jepler: we'll behave
[22:09:37] <dmessier> na na... ; ()
[22:09:38] <Jymmm> jepler : No, not really.
[22:10:10] <skunkworks> * skunkworks hums uncomfortably to self in corner.
[22:10:11] <dmessier> they are on the RAG
[22:10:36] <alex_joni> skunkworks: try the loituma
[22:10:42] <dmessier> just rock back and forth skunk... it helps me...
[22:11:14] <alex_joni> dmessier: http://loituma.antyx.net/loituma.swf
[22:11:18] <Jymmm> skunkworks thumb sucking is permissable in moderation
[22:11:51] <dmessier> i must escape to re-enforce the coffer - lest they should close in on my abode... ; ) bbl
[22:14:13] <Jymmm> dmessier: If you just put those twwo boys of your to work, you wouldn't have that problem.
[22:17:26] <tonyp> good afternoon all
[22:17:52] <giacus> hello tonyp
[22:18:08] <tonyp> how is the fest going
[22:18:31] <giacus> i'm bit away from there :(
[22:18:52] <tonyp> so am I. I cant help anyway. way too dumb
[22:19:08] <bill203> yay. my rails arrived.
[22:19:22] <Jymmm> bill203 t-track rails?
[22:19:34] <Jymmm> or linear ?
[22:19:35] <alex_joni> railroad tracks
[22:19:53] <skunkworks> heroin?
[22:20:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni Dont quiet your day job
[22:20:05] <Jymmm> quit
[22:20:12] <alex_joni> or what?
[22:20:26] <Jymmm> alex_joni you'll starve trying to make it as a comedian
[22:20:32] <bill203> linear rails.
[22:20:38] <Jymmm> bill203 ah, ok
[22:20:41] <bill203> now I just need something for the "Z"
[22:20:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is already starving..
[22:20:53] <bill203> but those are short, I should be able to find cheap ones.
[22:21:10] <tonyp> what are the rails for
[22:21:20] <bill203> my diy cnc mill project.
[22:21:43] <tonyp> bill203 are you building it from scratch
[22:21:44] <skunkworks> bill203: any recent pictures?
[22:23:25] <bill203> tony, yes.
[22:23:48] <bill203> http://photos.xmission.com/bill/v/machining/ are the pics, I dont think I've added any lately.
[22:23:57] <bill203> since I haven't had any time to work on it..
[22:24:18] <tonyp> bill203: have you ever looked at the plastic stuff
[22:24:40] <bill203> which plastic do you mean?
[22:24:50] <tonyp> Igus
[22:25:04] <tonyp> my next router will be made of this stuff
[22:25:05] <bill203> never heard of it.
[22:25:21] <bill203> some sort of composite plastic material?
[22:25:23] <alex_joni> thought Igus makes energy-chains or what you call them
[22:25:33] <tonyp> cheap. strong and capable of high speeds in dirty environments
[22:25:46] <tonyp> yes and they have linear stuff too
[22:26:37] <bill203> * bill203 googles.
[22:26:58] <tonyp> www.igus.com
[22:27:04] <tonyp> drylin stuff
[22:27:07] <Jymmm> bill203: suggestion... title your images =)
[22:27:29] <Jymmm> ewwwwwwwwww... I got some igus samples, wasn't impressed for the price.
[22:27:44] <bill203> heh, I'll add some titles.
[22:27:52] <Jymmm> AND.. you have to load the slide yourself
[22:28:18] <Jymmm> Nice sales staff though.
[22:28:24] <alex_joni> btw, seen some very nice round energy chains lately
[22:28:42] <Jymmm> round?
[22:29:11] <alex_joni> yes, that go in more than one direction
[22:29:19] <alex_joni> especially usefull on welding robots
[22:29:38] <alex_joni> or plasma cutters (the hoses & wires for the head)
[22:29:55] <Jymmm> ah. Wouldn't work for my needs (though i do have some energy chain, but not installed yet).
[22:30:25] <Jymmm> I got it cheap at the flea market, but the plug won't fit thru it! lol
[22:31:36] <tonyp> bill203: I checked the price on this stuff and it was as cheap as e-bay but new and replaceable bearings and such. http://www.igus.com/show_dw.asp
[22:32:22] <Jymmm> tonyp: I kinda see it like this... igus -vs- tequilia and asprin.
[22:33:00] <Jymmm> tonyp When I finally got dont to the nitty gritty, they dont say their stuff is for precion maching type applications
[22:33:20] <tonyp> ok
[22:33:32] <tonyp> I want it for a router for art work and such
[22:33:41] <bill203> how much play does it have?
[22:33:48] <Jymmm> tonyp I suspect it might have it's uses, but I just didn't want the headaches.
[22:33:49] <tonyp> I am not holding close tolerances
[22:33:54] <bill203> I got my rails off ebay for basicially $100 per axis
[22:34:07] <tonyp> that is cheap
[22:34:15] <Jymmm> bill203 see the link tonyp posted
[22:34:45] <tonyp> my whole router cost about 3000 from ebay and such
[22:34:46] <Jymmm> Also igus has a "Break in" period after install
[22:34:59] <Jymmm> tonyp pics?
[22:35:13] <bill203> yeah, I'm looking it over now.
[22:35:18] <tonyp> Jymmm: that is why it's cnc. break in happens when your sleeping
[22:35:19] <bill203> $3000 on a router?
[22:35:21] <bill203> oof.
[22:35:31] <bill203> a built from scratch one?
[22:35:31] <Jymmm> lol
[22:35:37] <tonyp> yes
[22:35:41] <tonyp> from scratch
[22:35:51] <bill203> you must actually be doing a good job on yours, unlike me. :-|
[22:35:57] <tonyp> linear bearing on all axis
[22:36:06] <Jymmm> * Jymmm doens't think he should tell tonyp how much his cost
[22:36:20] <tonyp> been running real good for the last few months
[22:36:54] <tonyp> I dont have any pics yet though
[22:36:54] <Jymmm> tonyp does the $3000 include tooling, clamps, router itself, etc?
[22:36:59] <bill203> I wish they had published prices.
[22:37:13] <tonyp> jymm:yes
[22:37:35] <bill203> it's a router, not a mill, right?
[22:37:54] <bill203> big one, for cutting 6*4 sheets?
[22:37:59] <tonyp> I am now waiting for the unstoppable stepper motor stuff from marriss
[22:38:08] <tonyp> It is a router for wood
[22:38:17] <tonyp> 24 x 40
[22:38:18] <Jymmm> tonyp you have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG wait then
[22:38:20] <bill203> any pics of thing's it's made?
[22:38:55] <tonyp> just some signs but I dont have them posted anywhere
[22:39:52] <tonyp> I want to do 3d archetectural stuff
[22:40:13] <Jymmm> tonyp: like models?
[22:40:36] <Jymmm> fenn: Hey, another use for your foam... http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/etip010810sn-closer.html
[22:40:38] <Jymmm> ~~~~~
[22:40:49] <tonyp> moldings, 3d carvings in cabinet doors.
[22:40:55] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[22:41:05] <tonyp> right now only 2d. not smart enough yet
[22:41:31] <bill203> ugh.
[22:41:52] <fenn> Jymmm: agh! what a waste of good foam!!!
[22:42:06] <Jymmm> HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
[22:42:15] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/tcl/axis.tcl: remove debugging statement
[22:43:59] <tonyp> anyone know how to take a schematic of an electronic circuit and put it on a board for cutting on a router
[22:44:09] <Jymmm> tonyp eagle
[22:44:17] <Jymmm> there's a free version
[22:44:26] <tonyp> I dont know anything about it
[22:44:31] <fenn> there are some cam scripts out there for converting to g code
[22:44:38] <fenn> from eagle
[22:44:43] <tonyp> I am not an electronics person
[22:44:49] <tonyp> I wouldn
[22:44:50] <fenn> heh why'd you ask then
[22:45:00] <Jymmm> tonyp you will after you install it, huh =)
[22:45:17] <Jymmm> If anyone wants some free plans... http://www.plansnow.com/cmpdn001.html
[22:45:27] <jepler> my eagle "ulp" for turning board layouts into emc2 gcode files: http://unpy.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/eagle/ulp/
[22:45:32] <dmessier> i use "other stuff for G code"
[22:45:39] <tonyp> A friend of mine got me a book for running a car on hydrogen and I need to build a circuit or two.
[22:45:51] <jepler> no support, documentation, or warranty is provided
[22:46:20] <Jymmm> tonyp: LOL, tell your "friend" to watch MythBusters... they just had an episode on it.
[22:46:24] <dmessier> oh.. you'll need to build more than that...
[22:46:49] <tonyp> I have a fox news video of a car running on hydro
[22:46:58] <tonyp> it can be done
[22:47:04] <dmessier> i have an ex-propane machine thats closer than yours...
[22:47:05] <fenn> go to unitednuclear.com
[22:47:26] <fenn> and click on research & development
[22:47:26] <dmessier> i KNOW it can....
[22:47:38] <Jymmm> tonyp sure, but those "machines" that are suppose todo the conversion to hydrogen dont seem to work very well
[22:47:50] <tonyp> yet
[22:47:53] <fenn> Jymmm: why not?
[22:47:54] <dmessier> i want a kit for all the propane cabs out there... ; )
[22:48:16] <Jymmm> fenn because they are stupid and ripping ppl off?
[22:48:23] <tonyp> they couldn't go to the moon 40 years ago
[22:48:42] <dmessier> bottled hydro.. until a valid fuel cell comes from my basement
[22:48:58] <tonyp> not bottled, made on demand
[22:49:21] <dmessier> too much POWER required....
[22:49:26] <tonyp> square wave signal.
[22:49:34] <tonyp> from a 12 volt source
[22:49:40] <tonyp> through a coil
[22:49:50] <Jymmm> tonyp that's EXACTLY what they tested on the show
[22:49:56] <dmessier> to make HYDROGEN??? what arent YOU sharing???
[22:50:25] <tonyp> nobody asked and I havent built it yet to see if it works
[22:51:02] <Jymmm> tonyp Just watch the show, then if your friend still wants to build it, go for it
[22:51:27] <tonyp> I want to build it. where is the show
[22:51:31] <dmessier> it NOT enuf... ive been brewin Hydrogen since 1978 to work this... ive run stuff from a baloon attatched to a carb... ; )
[22:51:49] <Jymmm> tonyp mythbusters.com maybe? discoverychannel.com ?
[22:51:52] <bill203> ha
[22:52:09] <dmessier> it'll work... for 12 sec.
[22:52:22] <tonyp> why not longer
[22:52:48] <dmessier> lack of safe pressurizing method...
[22:53:17] <tonyp> dmessier: do you have an e-mail to send a video to
[22:53:22] <dmessier> it get dangerous FAST at pressure..
[22:53:36] <Jymmm> Somebody forgot to add MD5 files .... http://www.cncgear.com/EMC/
[22:53:42] <dmessier> mes_for_fun@yahoo.com
[22:54:09] <dmessier> i love blowin it up come fire work time...
[22:54:33] <dmessier> all the kids gets a cup that pops
[22:54:52] <dmessier> BLUE...
[22:54:57] <dmessier> fire
[22:55:31] <dmessier> then tilt the cup...POPP
[22:55:45] <dmessier> water and co2
[22:55:54] <dmessier> no other remnant
[22:56:02] <tonyp> dmessier:may take a minute for the video. dial up here
[22:56:18] <dmessier> whatever... i online
[22:57:22] <tonyp> dmessier: what kind of setup did mythbusters use
[22:57:22] <dmessier> ive worked a little with chemical formation.. but it needs a tractor trailor to hold RM and mechanisms..
[22:58:16] <dmessier> ask Jymmm i start watchin' then remember i trried that...
[22:58:33] <dmessier> and goto sleep
[22:58:44] <dmessier> imvery basic
[22:59:09] <dmessier> but i dream BIG
[22:59:56] <dmessier> i was called a dog... and the dislexyia in me said god
[23:00:18] <dmessier> some things you remember...
[23:00:20] <Jymmm> diety complex
[23:00:54] <dmessier> no i KNOW im jesus's son...
[23:02:42] <dmessier> and the wendigo... is a Very bad spirit .. but he teaches rather than take
[23:03:01] <dmessier> or SHE...
[23:04:54] <giacus> why do do guys do not register you're nickname to the server ? :(
[23:05:09] <giacus> 50% of people seems do not it
[23:05:29] <giacus> bad ..
[23:05:45] <tonyp> sorry I didnt know how to do that
[23:05:51] <giacus> simple
[23:06:02] <dmessier> im a retrard
[23:06:08] <giacus> /msg nickers register yourpasswd
[23:06:14] <Jymmm> /msg nickserv help register
[23:06:21] <tonyp> giacus: what needs to be done to register
[23:06:21] <dmessier> i have a password???
[23:06:23] <Jymmm> or just....
[23:06:28] <giacus> and identify to the server with /msg nickserv identify yourpasswd
[23:06:37] <Jymmm> /msg nickserv register <password>
[23:06:43] <giacus> dmessier: you're not identified
[23:07:02] <dmessier> brain FART
[23:07:08] <giacus> this mean I could use you nick ..
[23:07:20] <giacus> and you've no way to get it after :P
[23:07:32] <giacus> also you arent able to open query
[23:07:34] <dmessier> which nick??
[23:07:39] <giacus> yours
[23:07:53] <giacus> as example
[23:07:56] <tonyp> > /msg nickserv register tonyp
[23:07:58] <dmessier> not mattering....
[23:08:04] <giacus> no tonyp
[23:08:18] <giacus> you have to choose a passwd
[23:08:24] <dmessier> i could be mini me
[23:08:26] <giacus> no not use youre nick as passwd
[23:08:32] <giacus> no space before /
[23:08:42] <giacus> try in the server window
[23:08:45] <giacus> is better ..
[23:09:36] <giacus> *** Jymmm is an identified user
[23:09:49] <giacus> *** giacus is an identified user
[23:09:53] <A-L-P-H-A> dmessier... sup?
[23:10:15] <dmessier> ahh i think i DID it
[23:10:28] <A-L-P-H-A> one would think so, if you have a few kids.
[23:10:42] <A-L-P-H-A> unless they're the mailmans.
[23:10:51] <dmessier> i mean reistered my nick
[23:10:53] <tonyp> how do you know when your registered
[23:11:00] <tonyp> or identified
[23:11:07] <dmessier> you guess
[23:11:12] <A-L-P-H-A> type /whois <your nick>
[23:11:18] <giacus> tonyp: you can just do a /whois nickname to know it
[23:11:31] <tonyp> TonyP is already registered
[23:11:35] <dmessier> but i is
[23:12:03] <A-L-P-H-A> 'Giacomo', reminds me of the insurance company geiko.
[23:12:11] <dmessier> i get no given nickname
[23:12:29] <giacus> yes, you're know registered but you need to identify to the server
[23:12:41] <dmessier> ok bye
[23:12:47] <giacus> then do: /msg nickserv identify yourpasswd
[23:13:21] <A-L-P-H-A> safer to type "/ns identify password" if your client supports "/ns"
[23:13:25] <tonyp> how do I do that
[23:14:03] <A-L-P-H-A> Denis, uh... you broke it.
[23:14:04] <giacus> tonyp: what the reply of the server in the server window ?
[23:14:05] <dmessier> see im an alien....
[23:14:13] <giacus> its ok ?
[23:14:14] <A-L-P-H-A> please give the computer back to the location you purchased it.
[23:14:22] <dmessier> i brek everything.... sorry
[23:14:24] <giacus> I can't see you as registered user :(
[23:15:07] <A-L-P-H-A> cause he's not
[23:15:10] <giacus> you can try '/whois tonyp' from yourself
[23:15:14] <giacus> to check it
[23:15:20] <dmessier> but i can bust it better yet
[23:15:24] <tonyp> incorrect passwork
[23:15:28] <tonyp> passwork
[23:15:32] <giacus> :)
[23:15:35] <tonyp> password
[23:15:39] <A-L-P-H-A> neither does dmessier...
[23:15:40] <giacus> you missed some thing
[23:15:44] <tonyp> ill get it right yet
[23:16:28] <dmessier> whois tells me my name.. but i already know it ... so thats not fair
[23:17:05] <giacus> doing /whois tonyp you should see a line: *** tonyp is an identified user
[23:17:20] <giacus> if you don't see it.. something is wrong
[23:17:25] <tonyp> what if you dont know your passwork
[23:17:30] <tonyp> password
[23:17:34] <dmessier> tony p'simmer??
[23:17:42] <giacus> nah
[23:17:43] <dmessier> 1 m
[23:17:47] <giacus> that0s the name
[23:18:28] <dmessier> then my reg didnt work either... we are BOTH morons...
[23:18:44] <giacus> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[23:18:45] <tonyp> I guess Im not identified
[23:18:54] <tonyp> I dont know my password either
[23:19:04] <dmessier> alpha come get ALL the hardware...
[23:19:25] <tonyp> tony psimer
[23:19:44] <giacus> you used it before when you did the first command: /msg nickserv register yourpassword
[23:19:44] <dmessier> is also a moron
[23:19:46] <tonyp> tony psimer
[23:20:37] <giacus> you just have to use /msg
[23:20:39] <giacus> nickserv register yourpassword
[23:20:45] <giacus> the first time
[23:21:03] <giacus> after, only /msg nickserv identify yourpasswd
[23:21:16] <giacus> try to read he faq on the url I pasted
[23:22:12] <giacus> the*
[23:22:21] <dmessier> YOU are gonna make someone a GREAT wife... ; Giacus.....
[23:22:32] <giacus> haha
[23:22:36] <alex_joni> websys: around?
[23:22:53] <dmessier> i ove ya
[23:22:58] <dmessier> l
[23:23:31] <dmessier> sorry about your girlfriend..
[23:24:50] <dmessier> but WE digress
[23:25:53] <giacus> tonyp: did you read the query I opened at least ?
[23:26:08] <giacus> are you able to read it ?
[23:27:18] <giacus> as not identified user you should be able to read the queryes but not to reply
[23:30:36] <giacus> dmessier: np :)
[23:34:09] <tonyp> dmessier: did you get the e-mail
[23:34:14] <tonyp> kkk
[23:35:07] <tonyp> dmessier:did you get my e-mail
[23:36:59] <skunkworks_2> To set up limit switches - is there a writeup somewhere?
[23:37:03] <skunkworks_2> for emc2
[23:38:52] <skunkworks_2> I looked in the stepper hal file and the pins don't seem to be there.
[23:39:26] <giacus> parport maybe ?
[23:39:33] <skunkworks_2> right
[23:40:32] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/hal_priv.h: Increase size of HAL memory area. The 64K limit that I _thought_ was a problem actually isn't, and we need the space for complex configs.
[23:41:33] <giacus> * giacus add another bank of ram :D
[23:42:05] <giacus> nice job jmk ;P
[23:43:39] <jmkasunich> giacus: going from 64K to 128K is almost unmeasurable these days, I don't think you need another bank
[23:43:50] <jmkasunich> when it becomes 64M, then we worry
[23:43:54] <giacus> kidding ! :P
[23:43:56] <giacus> hehe
[23:44:00] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[23:44:11] <alex_joni> 640kB should still be enough?
[23:52:13] <skunkworks_2> coming up blank