#emc | Logs for 2006-05-14

[00:00:06] <asdfqwega> anyone have a dmessier lexicon?
[00:00:11] <dmessier> i funny that way..
[00:00:12] <bigAl> I tried installing Ubuntu, but it would not boot from the CD
[00:00:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni understands
[00:00:41] <dmessier> dmess...
[00:00:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni even goes home..
[00:01:39] <dmessier> bonne nuit mon homme
[00:03:03] <alex_joni> bonne nuit
[00:04:00] <alex_joni> g'night all
[00:04:03] <dmessier> my kids could ssssaw e legs off.....
[00:04:39] <dmessier> beau reve
[00:05:34] <dmessier> the CATS ARE freakin out
[00:06:02] <dmessier> 2 dawgs not moving
[00:07:04] <dmessier> the cats ARE very vocal....and violent
[00:10:53] <jepler> bigAl: Try writing this instead: POSITION_FONT = Courier 48 bold
[00:10:56] <jepler> i.e., without the quotes
[00:13:01] <bigAl> that looks better
[00:13:29] <bigAl> but the defaults should "just work"
[00:14:02] <jmkasunich> bigAl: the problem is that bdi4 is focused on emc1, not emc2...
[00:16:20] <bigAl> so why include the emc2 sources ?
[00:16:34] <jmkasunich> you'd have to ask paul that
[00:16:45] <jmkasunich> I'm glad he did
[00:19:33] <bigAl> when do you plan on releasing a deb or will I have to compile every time there is an update ?
[00:19:45] <jmkasunich> there are emc2 debs for ubuntu
[00:20:08] <jmkasunich> we'd like to release debs for bdi-4, but that is non-trivial, for reasons I don't want to get into right now
[00:21:00] <bigAl> why not. Both are basically Debian, so there should be no problems
[00:21:13] <fenn> yeah why not
[00:21:27] <jmkasunich> both have realtime patched kernels
[00:21:35] <fenn> i mean say you started with debian sarge, could you install the debs on it?
[00:21:54] <jmkasunich> and emc (1 and 2) contains kernel modules that need to be compiled against the specific kernel you are running
[00:22:23] <fenn> so change the kernel..
[00:22:37] <jmkasunich> wtf are you talking about
[00:22:45] <fenn> installing debs on plain debian
[00:22:59] <jmkasunich> cradek has done the work to make a RT kernel that works
[00:23:07] <jmkasunich> emc doesn't work with a plain kernel
[00:23:13] <jmkasunich> plain debian has a plain kernel
[00:23:15] <alex_joni> fenn: the non-trivial part is that both the ubuntu and the sarge kernels aren't plain vanilla 2.6 kernels
[00:23:21] <jmkasunich> therefore, emc will not work with plain debian
[00:23:37] <alex_joni> I built an ubuntu kernel with adeos today, and noticed about 75 patches that ubuntu applies
[00:23:46] <fenn> i thought there was a .deb with the patched kernel in it
[00:23:53] <fenn> in the ubuntu repositories
[00:23:58] <alex_joni> I bet whatever you want that at least 1 of those patches might make it unuseable for sarge
[00:24:02] <fenn> i dont know which .deb it is but one of them has to have it
[00:24:08] <jmkasunich> not in the official ubuntu repositories
[00:24:17] <fenn> ok, in dsplabs.utt.ro
[00:24:21] <jmkasunich> in the emc repository that alex hosts
[00:24:22] <alex_joni> fenn: all the debs are available, and you could use them
[00:24:30] <alex_joni> but you might end up with problems
[00:24:33] <jmkasunich> and that kernel is known to work with ubuntu
[00:24:40] <jmkasunich> use on vanilla debian at your own risj
[00:24:41] <jmkasunich> risk
[00:24:49] <alex_joni> or sarge ;)
[00:25:05] <jmkasunich> it might work, but none of us has a reason to spend the time it would take to test it
[00:25:06] <alex_joni> fenn: you basicly could take a sarge, modify the sources.list to read breezy
[00:25:20] <alex_joni> then 'apt-get distupgrade' to convert it
[00:25:28] <alex_joni> and you'll end up with ubuntu
[00:25:43] <alex_joni> but.. no-one seems brave enough to attempt that
[00:25:48] <alex_joni> usually
[00:25:56] <jmkasunich> heh, no way, not on a box I care about
[00:26:15] <alex_joni> I might try that in a while.. have a BDI I don't really use anymore..
[00:27:19] <bigAl> jeez.. surely the simple answer is to build a deb for sarge or bdi
[00:27:41] <jmkasunich> building one for sarge won't work, because the kernel doesn't have RT patches
[00:28:13] <jmkasunich> building one for bdi has been attempted, but the process doesn't seem to work, and the only person who can help us figure out why isn't interested in doing that
[00:28:17] <bigAl> but this BDI-4.46 kernel does
[00:31:07] <bigAl> security are going to turn the power off in a minute, so I am going have to leave this.
[01:01:15] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl:
[01:01:15] <CIA-8> fix up font handling: When [DISPLAY]POSITION_FONT is specified, use that, and
[01:01:15] <CIA-8> use 'font actual' to parse it into family-size-style. Otherwise, when the font
[01:01:15] <CIA-8> family {courier 10 pitch} exists (i.e., running on ubuntu), use it in size 48
[01:01:15] <CIA-8> bold. Otherwise, use the font family courier, also in size 48 bold.
[01:11:25] <cradek> jepler: that's great, thanks
[01:13:47] <alex_joni> cradek: seems SF lost about a week of mail archives
[01:14:19] <cradek> ugh.
[01:14:46] <alex_joni> and I didn't see jepler's mail yet..
[01:15:29] <alex_joni> I mean the commit
[01:15:33] <anonimasu> alex_joni: go back to bed ^_^
[01:16:17] <alex_joni> anonimasu: what about you? :P
[01:16:56] <anonimasu> hehe yeah ;)
[01:17:58] <alex_joni> 10 days to be more accurate
[01:18:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is goe
[01:18:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is gone
[01:21:18] <anonimasu> night
[01:29:52] <SWPadnos> ok. the ubuntu liveCD is now available on the cncgear mirror
[01:35:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos what's on it? emc2?
[01:51:56] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, yes. it's a liveCD of ubuntu+emc2, and you can install from it (but you don't have to)
[01:53:32] <jepler> does emc2 run from the cd?
[01:54:05] <jepler> if so, "wow" and "whee". wowee.
[01:54:27] <cradek> jepler: I think it does!
[01:55:09] <cradek> jepler: I think I'm going to bring max and max's monitor - they may just stay in the car if we don't need them
[01:55:37] <jepler> cradek: ok
[01:55:44] <jepler> hopefully everything fits
[01:56:00] <cradek> and some of those extra disks for any installation work
[01:56:33] <cradek> I figure, heck there's just two of us and your car is huge
[02:03:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Ah, very cool.
[02:04:01] <Jymmm> I'll try it on the p90 with 54M of ram!!!
[02:04:05] <Jymmm> 64
[02:04:10] <Jymmm> laptop!!!!1
[02:04:24] <jepler> Jymmm: I doubt you'll be pleased with the results.
[02:04:33] <Jymmm> jepler: I doubt it'll boot
[02:04:51] <Jymmm> espcialy when that was PRE-bootable cd's
[02:04:55] <Jymmm> =)
[02:37:04] <jmkasunich_> cradek or jepler - when do you guys plan to get to the workshop
[02:37:17] <cradek> lateish sunday
[02:37:43] <jmkasunich_> I'm aiming for dinnertime sunday
[02:37:46] <cradek> should we trade cell phone numbers?
[02:37:54] <jmkasunich_> but that depoends on me getting on the road early
[02:38:02] <jmkasunich_> sounds like a good idea
[02:38:05] <cradek> I'm guessing we'll be there 9-10 or so
[02:38:11] <jmkasunich_> my phone has crappy coverage out there tho
[02:38:21] <cradek> mine is 402 450 8907
[02:39:24] <jmkasunich_> don't use mine often enough to have it memorized, hang on
[02:40:33] <jmkasunich_> jmkasunich_ is now known as jmkasunich
[03:47:02] <SWPadnos> argh
[03:47:09] <Jymmm> Ug Ug Ug
[03:47:21] <SWPadnos> ook
[03:47:36] <Jymmm> ig you can go argh, I can go ug
[03:47:39] <Jymmm> if
[03:48:17] <Jymmm> =)
[07:27:30] <Jymmm> Hey stranger!
[07:31:33] <Imperator_> whats up ?
[07:31:48] <Jymmm> Just working on some artwork
[07:32:34] <Imperator_> Just watching the rain :-(
[07:32:53] <Jymmm> where you at?
[07:33:03] <Imperator_> south germany
[07:33:09] <Jymmm> Ah
[07:33:18] <Jymmm> 80 F today and sunny
[07:33:20] <Imperator_> and you ?
[07:33:42] <Jymmm> California, near San Francisco
[07:33:51] <Imperator_> :-)
[07:37:12] <Jymmm> Gawd, it takes FOREVER to cleanup shitty vector art.
[10:35:31] <alex_joni> morning
[10:37:40] <giacus> hello alex_joni
[10:37:50] <alex_joni> hi giacus
[10:40:54] <giacus> mothers day fest here, working on the lunch ;)
[10:43:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi all
[10:43:31] <alex_joni> hi
[10:45:11] <chinamill> Hello as well
[10:57:37] <alex_joni> what's up?
[11:14:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: I'm (slowly) converting an old EMCO CNC lathe to an EMC machine
[11:20:25] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: cool
[11:20:30] <alex_joni> bbl, lunch
[11:32:55] <approx_> Hi guys, is it possible to do corrective screw mapping in emc2? google didn't know
[11:34:41] <giacus> approx_: backlash ?
[11:34:54] <approx_> no, screw pitch error correction
[11:35:04] <giacus> no idea
[11:37:15] <approx_> this talks about leadscrew correction: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Kinematics
[11:43:31] <giacus> neat
[11:44:20] <approx_> but nobody knows how to use it?
[11:57:11] <giacus> it seems something needs to be fixed and enabled in order to get it properly working
[11:57:38] <giacus> source code, alex_joni/feen could help maybe
[11:57:45] <giacus> fenn*
[11:59:55] <giacus> approx_: I just am a secretary here :) hehe
[12:00:05] <approx_> :)
[12:10:34] <les_w> hi all
[12:10:44] <giacus> hi les_w
[12:10:48] <les_w> emc1 just has a table
[12:10:57] <les_w> for pitch correction
[12:11:09] <alex_joni> back
[12:11:27] <alex_joni> approx_: not sure the code is in emc2, although it should be
[12:12:09] <les_w> the harder problem is accuraely measuring pitch error over lng distances without an wxpensive laser setup
[12:12:14] <alex_joni> approx_: to try it out you need a few files called 'x.cmp' 'y.cmp' 'z.cmp'
[12:12:33] <les_w> I used micrometer standard gage bars
[12:12:50] <approx_> I could use linear encoder to get pitch error
[12:13:16] <les_w> 12", 6", 3", 1"
[12:13:20] <les_w> as I recall
[12:13:43] <les_w> what distance do you need to measure?
[12:14:20] <approx_> my machine XY moves 420mm, I have 520mm linear encoders
[12:14:35] <les_w> oh so you're fine
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> /*
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> expecting nominal-forward-reverse triplets, e.g.,
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> 0.000000 0.000000 -0.001279
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> 0.100000 0.098742 0.051632
[12:14:58] <alex_joni> 0.200000 0.171529 0.194216
[12:15:00] <alex_joni> */
[12:15:08] <approx_> I guess I have to write some software to form .cmp tables using encoders
[12:15:21] <alex_joni> approx_: why not use the linear encoders as feedback to emc2 ?
[12:15:29] <les_w> yeah...
[12:15:40] <approx_> maybe I try that too
[12:15:57] <les_w> what is your encoder resolution?
[12:16:04] <alex_joni> motion -> stepgen -> motors -> linear enc -> counting -> motion-feedback
[12:16:08] <approx_> 5µm
[12:16:32] <approx_> but laptop has only one parport, not enough for encoders
[12:16:33] <les_w> oh that would be ok even for servo...if it reads fast
[12:17:13] <les_w> but I guess you are using stepper...
[12:17:24] <approx_> yep
[12:17:30] <alex_joni> approx_: btw, I just looked, the compensation stuff is disabled in emc2 for now
[12:17:42] <approx_> what this "nominal-forward-reverse triplets" mean?
[12:18:02] <alex_joni> approx_: you might get a different readout when going in one direction, or the other
[12:18:13] <alex_joni> nominal is the ideal position
[12:18:18] <approx_> so it compensates backlash as well
[12:18:23] <alex_joni> forward is the measured position going one way
[12:18:34] <alex_joni> reverse is the measure position going the other way
[12:18:35] <alex_joni> right
[12:19:09] <alex_joni> approx_: too bad I know nothing about this.. so I don't really know what's involved in getting it run in emc2
[12:19:17] <alex_joni> approx_: probably a SMOP ;)
[12:19:35] <approx_> hopefully it gets fixed some day :)
[12:19:51] <alex_joni> approx_: if you need it, I'd recommend a Feature Request
[12:20:24] <approx_> thanks. i'm fine without it, too
[12:20:45] <approx_> would be nice to try some day but I'm no hurry on that
[12:21:05] <alex_joni> approx_: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=6744&atid=356744
[12:21:21] <les_w> well, I have to work today. off to the shop.
[12:21:34] <alex_joni> les_w: hang on a second
[12:21:38] <les_w> ok...
[12:21:46] <alex_joni> les_w: can you explain this: http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/811/2006/05/07/421@85556.htm ?
[12:21:53] <les_w> looking
[12:23:48] <les_w> light reflections from density cange
[12:24:09] <les_w> although thode pictures look kinda photoshopped...
[12:24:14] <les_w> those
[12:24:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I must say though that those images look very photoshopped
[12:24:40] <les_w> but the phenomenon happens yes
[12:24:47] <alex_joni> either way.. it's nice ;)
[12:25:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the first one has coarse jpg artifacts in the mirage, but much much less in the water. And the second one has irregular blurring of the scenery
[12:25:23] <les_w> you would need multiple density discontinuities though...to form a lightpipe of sorts
[12:25:31] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: but it also has coarse jpgartifacts in the water too
[12:25:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> had it been real and one had "been able to even see people" it would be a tivial matter to figure out which city had been the source
[12:26:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: to me it looked like the water was less course, but it may just be that since the level of detail is lower it takes less bits to encode a higher quality image
[12:27:34] <alex_joni> right
[12:29:04] <les_w> http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Beach/7002/mirage.htm#Mirages
[12:29:23] <les_w> seems the phenomena is called a "superior image"
[12:32:11] <les_w> optically that just means the image is not upside down
[12:32:42] <les_w> I think...
[12:34:01] <les_w> well I have to install some of these for the air generator demo...
[12:34:08] <les_w> http://www.sunbriteleds.com/product.asp?id=10
[12:34:19] <les_w> that should get attention
[12:38:58] <alex_joni> les_w: get the Ultra Pure Green
[12:39:00] <alex_joni> :))
[12:39:17] <alex_joni> 5000 mCD sounds like something :D
[12:44:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that would have to me 5kmCD/LED, right?
[12:45:01] <alex_joni> right
[12:45:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that that owuld be rather strong
[12:45:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> assuming that the spread of light isn't too big
[12:47:32] <alex_joni> assuming that the speed of light isn't too fast
[12:51:47] <les_w> I was going to get the green but voltage is too high for my unit
[12:51:58] <les_w> I have about 16 volts peak
[12:52:17] <les_w> so 11.3 rms
[12:52:24] <les_w> 40 kHz ac
[12:52:43] <les_w> will full wave rectify of course
[12:55:36] <alex_joni> you could chop it if you have enough juice ;)
[13:09:25] <anonimasu> :)
[13:22:52] <alex_joni> hi anders
[13:23:02] <alex_joni> updated the instructions ;) http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/01147559232
[13:25:12] <jepler> alex_joni: what's the URL for your live CD?
[13:25:39] <alex_joni> it's on that page ;)
[13:25:41] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso
[13:26:16] <jepler> it is? I still don't see the link
[13:26:35] <alex_joni> 'it' (in the first paragraph)
[13:26:57] <alex_joni> might be very small.. ;-)
[13:27:04] <alex_joni> 'I made it happen...'
[13:27:47] <jepler> are you sure that was a link the first time I loaded the page?
[13:28:33] <alex_joni> no, I just put it there, when I said I updated the instructions
[13:28:48] <alex_joni> actually a few seconds later ;)
[13:29:23] <jepler> I'm glad when it turns out I'm not nuts.
[13:29:31] <alex_joni> btw, the kernel-wedge approach is pretty simple once you get the hang of it..
[13:31:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away for a while..
[13:31:18] <alex_joni> great weather out there, my bike wants a ride..
[13:31:23] <alex_joni> bbl
[14:01:47] <roltek> ray you out there
[14:06:48] <robin_sz> meep?
[14:11:54] <giacus> hi robin_sz
[14:15:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> MEEP
[14:15:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> err, meep
[14:28:07] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-occasionall
[14:29:47] <rayh-occasionall> rayh-occasionall is now known as rayh-about
[14:31:40] <robin_sz> so another day gos by
[14:34:25] <giacus> another week..
[14:40:55] <giacus> tryng to get my robot recognize the vocal passwd and unlock it
[14:41:18] <giacus> nothing.. going to try with a big hammer now
[14:41:37] <giacus> stupid vocal commands tecnology
[15:03:03] <jepler> alex_joni: I tried your live cd. It doesn't work with my laptop's wireless card (but cradek's kernel doesn't either). It tells me there are a bunch of updates to be installed, which would be a pretty useless thing to do even if I had a network. But emc2 and axis run (I tried the simulator)
[16:37:24] <alex_joni> jepler: that is a relief
[16:37:44] <alex_joni> I should probably build another with apt-get update & upgrade already in it
[16:38:01] <alex_joni> but I want to hear if there are any other problems with it first..
[16:40:55] <fenn> i'll try it out on my foam cutter
[16:59:08] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[17:28:53] <robin_sz> * robin_sz removes yet more wildlife from his wall cavity
[17:37:13] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[17:37:35] <robin_sz> I think im going to buy a robot .. infact, Im sure I am
[17:37:50] <alex_joni> you keep saying that ;)
[17:37:54] <robin_sz> the geometry looks "fun"
[17:38:07] <robin_sz> well, got a big enough contract to justiufy it now
[17:38:16] <alex_joni> yeah.. well .. you'll see if it's fun or not
[17:38:48] <robin_sz> looking at an ABB 1500 with S4 control
[17:39:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni knows squat about an S4 ;)
[17:40:01] <robin_sz> its the first on es that used RAPID, the S3 series where ARLA language
[17:40:53] <alex_joni> ok then .. if you say..
[17:40:54] <robin_sz> seems it comes with the weld software and an ESAB interface board
[17:40:57] <alex_joni> just one advice
[17:41:04] <robin_sz> for their aristorob packs
[17:41:18] <alex_joni> be sure (see it with your eyes) that it moves & welds before buying
[17:41:49] <robin_sz> well, the actual weld torch is extra
[17:41:58] <robin_sz> and the poswer source
[17:42:02] <robin_sz> powersource
[17:42:10] <alex_joni> maybe get the ones who sell it to come set it up
[17:42:26] <alex_joni> those old robots are sometimes very pesky to set up
[17:43:12] <robin_sz> http://www.robotsltd.co.uk/ABB-IRB1400.htm
[17:43:14] <robin_sz> that one
[17:43:20] <robin_sz> http://www.robotsltd.co.uk/ABB-IRB1400.htm
[17:44:42] <robin_sz> you visiting Mach2006 ?
[17:46:13] <alex_joni> mach06 ?
[17:46:25] <alex_joni> wot's that?
[17:47:18] <robin_sz> huge UK based show
[17:47:25] <robin_sz> www.mach2006.com
[17:47:27] <alex_joni> never heard
[17:48:02] <robin_sz> one of the bigger shows in .eu
[17:48:04] <alex_joni> but I've been to Essen last year
[17:48:15] <alex_joni> biggest welding show in the world ;)
[17:49:47] <alex_joni> nice
[17:52:53] <robin_sz> the weld application I have is a bin made from 2mm sheet
[17:53:06] <robin_sz> 900 wide, 700 deep, 1m across
[17:53:26] <robin_sz> has internal seam welds, 5mm fillet
[17:54:15] <robin_sz> theres several metres of welding, takes a guy nearly 90 miniutes, becuase ots out of position etc
[17:54:25] <robin_sz> needs to be water tight when done
[17:54:57] <robin_sz> its all laser cut etc, so will be jigged to 0.5mm or better
[17:56:13] <robin_sz> in thoery it shouldnt need much weld feedback I guess, its just a repetition task ... ? do it the same each time
[17:58:40] <alex_joni> right
[17:58:44] <alex_joni> what material?
[17:58:49] <alex_joni> 2mm is sometimes tricky
[17:58:59] <alex_joni> if it's CrNi or similar
[17:59:16] <robin_sz> plain old mild steel
[17:59:21] <alex_joni> ok, then it's nice
[17:59:22] <robin_sz> CR4
[17:59:34] <alex_joni> but 5mm fillet sounds like a lot on 2mm sheets
[17:59:35] <robin_sz> cold rolled, oiled
[17:59:50] <robin_sz> well, that what it comes out by hand
[17:59:52] <alex_joni> need to degreese it in the weld area for best results
[18:00:00] <alex_joni> 3mm should be enough
[18:00:06] <alex_joni> need some speed for that
[18:00:07] <robin_sz> maybe a bot can do a smaller fillet with better burn in
[18:00:11] <alex_joni> yup
[18:00:18] <alex_joni> high current, lots of speed
[18:00:26] <robin_sz> less distortion than hand weld too
[18:00:32] <alex_joni> on 2mm I wouldn't use anything but pulsed welding
[18:00:38] <robin_sz> oh
[18:00:41] <robin_sz> right
[18:00:50] <alex_joni> 900x500x1000 2mm sheets bends like hell
[18:01:00] <robin_sz> this I already know
[18:01:06] <alex_joni> does it have some internal stuff to keep it from collapsing?
[18:01:11] <robin_sz> nah
[18:01:22] <robin_sz> it has a pressed turn over on the top
[18:01:22] <alex_joni> you'll probably need a jig of some sort
[18:01:26] <robin_sz> and corners
[18:01:33] <robin_sz> yeah, I'll jig it for sure
[18:01:42] <alex_joni> need to make it repetitive
[18:01:49] <robin_sz> tack them up by hand on the floor, pop em into the jig
[18:02:04] <alex_joni> all you need to worry is < half the wire diameter
[18:02:16] <robin_sz> gaps?
[18:02:17] <alex_joni> precision I mean
[18:02:25] <alex_joni> positioning
[18:02:25] <robin_sz> right
[18:02:31] <alex_joni> gaps would be 0 ideally ;)
[18:02:39] <robin_sz> they are clos to 0
[18:02:40] <alex_joni> you can bend them at 2mm to close them fully
[18:02:47] <alex_joni> 0.5 should be ok
[18:02:47] <robin_sz> exactly
[18:03:16] <robin_sz> its close to zero gaps, and everything is laser cut so it is very accurate in build
[18:03:27] <alex_joni> right, that's very good ;)
[18:03:36] <robin_sz> we dont have many to do ...
[18:03:41] <robin_sz> 35 month ...
[18:03:49] <alex_joni> ok, sounds enough ;)
[18:03:51] <robin_sz> I could have them done by hand for sure
[18:04:01] <robin_sz> but, a bot will work I think
[18:04:06] <alex_joni> prepare for 1-2 months to get it working OK
[18:04:17] <robin_sz> and it will free up a skilled welder from a tedious task
[18:04:30] <robin_sz> what weld packs you like?
[18:04:32] <alex_joni> he'll bitch about it for sure
[18:04:35] <alex_joni> packs?
[18:04:37] <robin_sz> panastar?
[18:04:42] <robin_sz> aristorob?
[18:04:43] <alex_joni> power sources?
[18:04:46] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:04:49] <robin_sz> fronius?
[18:04:49] <alex_joni> I only do cloos
[18:04:54] <alex_joni> the whole package
[18:05:03] <robin_sz> they do bots?
[18:05:04] <alex_joni> robot + welder + everything else
[18:05:08] <alex_joni> yup
[18:05:09] <robin_sz> right
[18:05:25] <alex_joni> usually better for the customer ;)
[18:05:26] <robin_sz> im hoping to put this together for less than 8K GBP
[18:05:36] <alex_joni> only one party to bitch at, when something isn't working
[18:06:08] <robin_sz> power sources are usually CANBUS right?
[18:06:55] <alex_joni> the newer ones probably
[18:07:03] <alex_joni> but most I've seen are analog, then serial
[18:07:12] <alex_joni> http://www.cloos.de/english/produkte/Systemloesungen/Schweissprozesse/MAG_process_53.php <- some examples
[18:07:13] <robin_sz> so, 2mm sheet, 3mm fillet, 0.8 wire, ?
[18:07:19] <robin_sz> 5% CO2?
[18:07:22] <alex_joni> yup, about right
[18:07:32] <robin_sz> 120 amps?
[18:07:44] <alex_joni> something like that.. need to try to say for sure
[18:07:52] <robin_sz> 300 peak, 20 background?
[18:07:53] <alex_joni> but get a pulsed welder
[18:08:03] <alex_joni> yup, more like it
[18:08:16] <alex_joni> small pulses (1.5 msec)
[18:08:23] <robin_sz> so thats spray and wait right?
[18:08:25] <alex_joni> ~200 Hz
[18:08:29] <alex_joni> right
[18:08:48] <robin_sz> a brief spray, then about 20 amps to keep it warm?
[18:08:49] <alex_joni> get good wire if you can
[18:08:56] <robin_sz> Oerlikon
[18:09:01] <alex_joni> the 20A is for the arc not to shut down
[18:09:06] <robin_sz> right
[18:09:08] <alex_joni> probably need a bit higher
[18:09:14] <robin_sz> ok
[18:09:25] <alex_joni> 0.8 wire needs about 30-40 to have a stable arc
[18:09:33] <robin_sz> fiddle with the mark/space ratio to control the heat
[18:09:38] <alex_joni> but reduce it as much as you can (ledd heat input)
[18:09:43] <alex_joni> right
[18:09:58] <alex_joni> we have some synergic power sources, and we have some that aren't
[18:10:07] <alex_joni> I love the ones that aren't synergicc
[18:10:14] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:10:15] <alex_joni> you need to fiddle with all params though
[18:10:20] <robin_sz> total control of the weld process
[18:10:34] <robin_sz> seen Ed Craigs "weld reallity" site?
[18:10:37] <alex_joni> base current, pulse voltage, frequency, pulse width, slope
[18:10:40] <alex_joni> nopw
[18:10:56] <alex_joni> btw, for 2mm sheets you might want an I-I control
[18:11:06] <alex_joni> although I never got to make the work as it should :D
[18:11:11] <alex_joni> I always use U-I
[18:11:15] <robin_sz> http://www.weldreality.com/
[18:11:21] <alex_joni> that's pulse voltage & base current
[18:11:23] <robin_sz> ^^ lots of opinions that guy
[18:11:29] <robin_sz> U I?
[18:11:31] <alex_joni> opposed to pulse current & base current
[18:11:36] <robin_sz> right
[18:11:53] <alex_joni> some power sources can do both or just one
[18:12:38] <alex_joni> robin_sz: get 92-8 gas or better
[18:22:03] <Jymmm> Mornin Gents!
[18:27:40] <alex_joni> robin_sz: if you can afford get some thyssen wire
[18:27:44] <alex_joni> hiya Jymmm
[18:28:24] <robin_sz> thyssen?
[18:28:29] <robin_sz> never heard of that one
[18:28:29] <alex_joni> robin_sz: Böhler, Thyssen or similar (they aren't exactly cheap about 3-4 EUR/kg, unlike normal wire 1-2EUR/kg)
[18:28:56] <robin_sz> its all Lincoln or Oerlikon here these days, unless you shop arounf carefully
[18:29:03] <Jymmm> anyone have any preferences/recommendations for 1/16 1/32 and 1/64 tooling? (spiral downcut prefered)
[18:29:20] <alex_joni> lincoln is OK, if you get the one from holland
[18:29:25] <robin_sz> right
[18:29:28] <alex_joni> they also have italian & turkey wire
[18:29:31] <alex_joni> stay away ;)
[18:29:33] <robin_sz> ewww
[18:29:40] <Jymmm> Mmmmmmmmmm turkey wire!
[18:29:40] <robin_sz> we had some chinese wire ....
[18:29:45] <robin_sz> ick
[18:29:51] <alex_joni> also a whole range of turkish machines
[18:29:58] <alex_joni> the name slips my mind now
[18:30:15] <Jymmm> even better... 16 hour pit roasted beef!
[18:30:43] <robin_sz> well, well get the bot and get experienced with programming that, then get the weld gear to go on it
[18:30:50] <alex_joni> yeap
[18:30:55] <alex_joni> sounds like a plan
[18:31:02] <alex_joni> btw.. what are you doing right now?
[18:31:12] <robin_sz> sitting in my living room
[18:31:18] <alex_joni> got half an hour?
[18:31:24] <robin_sz> shrug ...
[18:31:25] <robin_sz> guess
[18:31:27] <robin_sz> so
[18:31:38] <alex_joni> to download a CD & burn & try out.. just for the kicks of it
[18:31:39] <Jymmm> robin_sz: Better check with Grim Reaper
[18:31:57] <robin_sz> alex_joni, live CD or install?
[18:32:06] <alex_joni> LiveCD
[18:32:20] <robin_sz> ok point and shoot
[18:32:37] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso
[18:32:59] <robin_sz> is it big?
[18:33:09] <alex_joni> ~700
[18:33:19] <alex_joni> you have a few usefull doze apps too
[18:33:34] <alex_joni> OpenOffice & Firefox & Gaim
[18:34:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni is this the one that SWPadnos did?
[18:34:12] <alex_joni> Jymmm: nope ;)
[18:34:21] <alex_joni> the one I did :P
[18:34:38] <Jymmm> so SWPadnos made a livecd and you made a live cd?
[18:34:54] <alex_joni> http://www.theopencd.org/
[18:34:59] <alex_joni> no,he just mirrored it
[18:35:04] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[18:35:23] <Jymmm> for a sec there I thought you guys were really fucked up
[18:35:41] <alex_joni> Jymmm: you would think that?
[18:36:12] <Jymmm> alex_joni: ANYONE would think that if you developers were creating identantly the exact same thing
[18:36:18] <Jymmm> s/you/two/
[18:36:51] <Jymmm> independantly
[18:37:05] <alex_joni> got the ideea ;) and I agree
[18:37:05] <Jymmm> (wth... when I typo, I REALLY typo =)
[18:37:11] <alex_joni> that would be really silly
[18:37:41] <Jymmm> * Jymmm just calls em as he see's em!
[18:38:45] <alex_joni> robin_sz: but you had some quite decent net connection, iirc
[18:41:37] <robin_sz> nah, just 0.5mb here
[18:41:42] <robin_sz> 3mb at the office
[18:42:06] <alex_joni> mbit ?
[18:42:12] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:42:45] <robin_sz> coming in at 35kbyte/s
[18:42:54] <alex_joni> hmm.. could be better
[18:42:59] <robin_sz> 5hrs to go
[18:43:13] <alex_joni> :(
[18:43:39] <robin_sz> I suppose for a live cd its a fair size
[18:43:52] <robin_sz> I prefer net installs for real installations
[18:44:11] <robin_sz> just the installer on the CD, everting else from .debs
[18:44:16] <robin_sz> over the net
[18:46:01] <alex_joni> right
[18:46:08] <alex_joni> but this has quite a bit on it
[18:46:28] <alex_joni> basicly all you'd ever need as a desktop newbie
[18:47:50] <Jymmm> alex_joni: It has a quality p0rn finder?! Hot Damn!
[18:48:26] <Jymmm> alex_joni did you muck with the window mgr?
[18:48:38] <robin_sz> errm .. is it dsktop installation,or a machine tool?
[18:49:00] <alex_joni> robin_sz: both ;)
[18:49:09] <alex_joni> to please them all
[18:49:11] <robin_sz> euuuw.
[18:49:17] <robin_sz> does it have KDE on it?
[18:49:22] <alex_joni> no, gnome
[18:49:32] <robin_sz> thank $deity for that at least
[18:49:38] <alex_joni> although there is Kubuntu with KDE on it
[18:49:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz hopes not
[18:50:11] <alex_joni> and it's not a stock gnome, the people from Ubuntu really did a great job
[18:50:23] <Jymmm> I like the LOOK of KDE, just not the bloat
[18:50:26] <alex_joni> it's all .. so .. easy
[18:50:44] <alex_joni> so.. unlike linux :D
[18:51:25] <alex_joni> robin_sz: one example.. wanted to share a folder..
[18:51:29] <Jymmm> alex_joni Curious, did you add any versioning indicator in it?
[18:51:42] <alex_joni> Jymmm: versioning ?
[18:52:14] <Jymmm> build number, etc. Just to be able to tell it apart after an install
[18:52:29] <alex_joni> Jymmm: talking about emc2? sure
[18:52:46] <Jymmm> alex_joni no, the whole live (install) cd
[18:52:56] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmakr
[18:52:56] <asdfqwega> I'm logging. I don't understand 'bookmakr', asdfqwega. Try /msg logger_aj help
[18:52:58] <alex_joni> it's breezy
[18:52:59] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[18:52:59] <asdfqwega> See
[18:53:07] <alex_joni> Ubuntu 5.10 breezy
[18:53:24] <alex_joni> there is no more version than that, it updates daily if there are new packages..
[18:53:27] <robin_sz> I cant imagine what they might have doen to gnome .. .why change that?
[18:53:49] <alex_joni> probably I haven't seen gnome in a while ;)
[18:53:57] <robin_sz> Ihave it running here
[18:54:04] <Jymmm> alex_joni so I could install this today, robin_sz next week, and there's no way to tell the difference?
[18:54:12] <alex_joni> they will be the same thing
[18:54:25] <Jymmm> alex_joni I thought you said it updates daily?
[18:54:26] <fenn> O RLY
[18:54:35] <alex_joni> just like doze does these days..
[18:55:03] <Jymmm> oh, the ISO isn't updated from CVS
[18:55:09] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders what gnome does, apart from providing a maximise/close button on each window
[18:55:17] <alex_joni> no it's the same ISO, the iso doesn't update
[18:55:24] <robin_sz> I suppose theres the taskbar at the bottom
[18:55:24] <alex_joni> robin_sz: menus & such
[18:55:28] <Jymmm> robin_sz sits on the lawn?
[18:55:32] <robin_sz> and the xterm thing to clickl on
[18:55:45] <robin_sz> yeah, I never use the menus
[18:55:56] <robin_sz> like, never.
[18:56:35] <robin_sz> I think you can do desktop icons with gnome, like you can with windows??
[18:56:52] <alex_joni> robin_sz: I'm sure you can
[18:57:06] <robin_sz> maybe one day I'll try em ...
[18:57:06] <alex_joni> robin_sz: share a folder example
[18:57:17] <alex_joni> 1. right click, select share
[18:57:35] <alex_joni> 2. it asks if I want to share with windows or linux (samba vs. nfs)
[18:57:36] <Jymmm> that's bad thing for me... 1920x1440 is a ***LOT*** of icons =)
[18:57:43] <robin_sz> right click on what?
[18:57:51] <alex_joni> on the folder you want to share
[18:58:02] <robin_sz> how can I click on a folder?
[18:58:11] <alex_joni> browser?
[18:58:16] <robin_sz> ??
[18:58:25] <alex_joni> you have a Places menu on top
[18:58:28] <robin_sz> you have me confused now
[18:58:36] <robin_sz> this is windows or gnome?
[18:58:39] <Jymmm> robin_sz file manager
[18:58:39] <alex_joni> gnome
[18:58:52] <robin_sz> so .. i have an xterm open ...
[18:58:57] <alex_joni> right, like konqueror for kde, gnome has a browser
[18:59:03] <robin_sz> really?
[18:59:09] <robin_sz> oh nautilus?
[18:59:40] <robin_sz> I think I blew that away
[18:59:52] <Jymmm> oooooops lol
[19:00:22] <Jymmm> kernel.... I don't need no popcorn! delete
[19:00:28] <robin_sz> nah, intentionally. sodding thing .. I would stick a CD in the drive, it would start opening it and doing shit ...
[19:00:42] <robin_sz> soon stopped that :)
[19:00:57] <Jymmm> oh I understand, just made me think of ppl who have no hdd space and start deleting shit
[19:01:21] <robin_sz> nah, I just prefer xterms.
[19:01:29] <robin_sz> cd /mnt/cdrom
[19:01:30] <robin_sz> ls
[19:01:34] <robin_sz> easy.
[19:01:39] <anonimasu> #
[19:01:41] <alex_joni> robin_sz: let me go on ;)
[19:01:58] <robin_sz> likwise, when I want xchat I type 'xchat & disown'
[19:02:13] <asdfqwega> Myself, I run barebones desktop, with fluxbox and a few dockapps
[19:02:13] <alex_joni> 3. I selected windows share, and it tells me I need samba, but I don't have it, click to install
[19:02:31] <alex_joni> 4. a few seconds later it was already working
[19:03:11] <robin_sz> I think I would not like ubuntu ... I'm a command line guy
[19:03:20] <asdfqwega> hear hear!
[19:03:52] <robin_sz> the day they implement drag and drop in gnome is the day I downgrade to twm
[19:04:05] <robin_sz> I just dont have a use for it.
[19:04:11] <alex_joni> oh, but drag & drop works for quite a while
[19:04:31] <robin_sz> well, only if you have a browser I guess
[19:04:35] <alex_joni> robin_sz: then again, you can always use command line
[19:04:51] <robin_sz> yep .. apt-get install <package>
[19:04:52] <alex_joni> you can drag to apps too, like video players & such
[19:05:03] <alex_joni> I use that too,mostly
[19:05:08] <robin_sz> ick
[19:05:09] <alex_joni> never liked synaptic
[19:05:15] <robin_sz> sounds like windows
[19:05:25] <asdfqwega> question about em2: I'm trying to get it working with RTAI, but it keeps going for RTAPI
[19:06:04] <asdfqwega> My install is Debian, with .debs from Paul's BDI apt-repository
[19:06:25] <robin_sz> does he provide the source these days?
[19:06:47] <asdfqwega> RTAI is in /usr/realtime-
[19:07:29] <asdfqwega> Yes, I think he does, but it's not available by 'apt-get source'
[19:07:33] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: getting an actual error during configure ?
[19:07:52] <asdfqwega> you have to reach into the repository and filch out the tarballs
[19:08:03] <robin_sz> repository?
[19:08:17] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: you can try './configure --with-rtai=/usr/realtime- --enable-run-in-place
[19:08:33] <alex_joni> robin_sz: he moved to a new place, and has a deb repo there
[19:08:46] <asdfqwega> ./configure --enable-run-in-place --with-rtai=/usr/realtime-
[19:08:59] <robin_sz> right ... but where does he provide the source?
[19:09:18] <robin_sz> I know the get source' never worked, I tried that
[19:09:32] <asdfqwega> checking for RT dir... checking specified rtai=/usr/realtime- /usr/realtime- set from command line Using /usr/realtime- as the RT signature
[19:10:22] <asdfqwega> http://bdi4emc.ourproject.org/debian/pool/e/emc
[19:10:52] <asdfqwega> The source tarballs are there, in the respective directories of the pool
[19:11:17] <robin_sz> 404
[19:12:00] <asdfqwega> whoops
[19:12:10] <asdfqwega> http://bdi4emc.ourproject.org/debian/pool/extras/
[19:12:37] <robin_sz> looking ...
[19:13:01] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: sounds allright
[19:13:17] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: what happens next?
[19:14:01] <asdfqwega> Man, I need a good slap upside the head
[19:14:36] <asdfqwega> I left it apt-get'ing yesterday, and I never rebooted it with the new kernel
[19:14:56] <asdfqwega> Somebody, please hit me with fish.
[19:16:41] <robin_sz> cod?
[19:17:32] <alex_joni> wet kipper ok?
[19:19:48] <asdfqwega> lutefisk, if you have any
[19:20:25] <asdfqwega> Hm...same trouble...
[19:20:47] <asdfqwega> "Can't write to rtai_shm...aborting"
[19:20:56] <robin_sz> as root?
[19:21:14] <asdfqwega> as user
[19:21:22] <robin_sz> well, try as root
[19:21:52] <fenn> is /dev/rtf(mumble) there?
[19:22:32] <asdfqwega> no
[19:22:37] <fenn> a ha!
[19:22:46] <robin_sz> ah ha!
[19:23:01] <asdfqwega> as root bombs out, too
[19:23:10] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: you need to create the devs for rtai
[19:23:50] <asdfqwega> That wouldn't be taken care of by udev?
[19:23:57] <fenn> udev screws it up actually
[19:24:04] <alex_joni> right ;)
[19:24:21] <alex_joni> the emc2 deb takes care of udev for ubuntu, too bad paul's debs don't do the same
[19:24:28] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: http://www.captain.at/programming/rtai/kernel-2.4.php
[19:24:34] <alex_joni> there are 2 scripts at the bottom
[19:25:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to have a nice hot bath ;)
[19:25:48] <asdfqwega> Oh, there are other .debs available?
[19:25:57] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: not for BDI though
[19:26:16] <asdfqwega> Well, I'm not using the BDI, strictly speaking
[19:26:46] <alex_joni> then check this out: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=4&lang=en
[19:27:04] <alex_joni> Basic Installation
[19:27:05] <alex_joni> The best way to get started is to install Ubuntu , and then follow these instructions to install EMC2 on it. This procedure will automatically install a realtime kernel, and will allow you to easily and automatically keep up with future EMC2 releases using the Ubuntu update manager.
[19:28:03] <fenn> i should install debian so i can see if the .debs work once and for all
[19:28:37] <fenn> instead of hearing "oh it might work, but you're on your own" over and over
[19:28:41] <alex_joni> fenn: it's a kernel issue
[19:28:47] <alex_joni> so you can't say for sure
[19:28:59] <alex_joni> it _might_ work for you, but not for others..
[19:29:15] <alex_joni> so 1 testcase doesn't prove anything... unfortunately
[19:30:10] <asdfqwega> How about 1 ttestcase and 1 basketcase?
[19:30:15] <fenn> works for me
[19:30:16] <asdfqwega> I'll be the basketcase
[19:31:48] <alex_joni> bbl
[19:39:12] <asdfqwega> Time for FOOD!
[19:47:12] <SWPadnos> ok. I'm finally off to see the wixard. see you guys once I get to Fest (Monday night) :)
[19:47:16] <SWPadnos> wizard, even
[19:51:07] <Guest495> are there searchable logs of this channel anywhere?
[19:51:48] <fenn> logger_aj: bookmark
[19:51:48] <fenn> See
[19:51:58] <fenn> you can download them and use grep
[19:52:02] <Guest495> thanks
[19:52:17] <fenn> anything in particular you wanna know?
[19:52:52] <Guest495> nah. just wanna see the kinds of issues people are having
[19:58:50] <asdfqwega> Data miner! Get 'im!
[20:05:05] <VNR> hello from Argentina
[20:05:31] <giacus> ciao from Italia
[20:06:17] <giacus> what's up ?
[20:06:33] <VNR> I recently installed Ubuntu 5.10 and i dont have internet with this OS, how can i install EMC2 ?
[20:07:02] <fenn> i believe jepler just made a cd image for that purpose
[20:07:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> g'night all
[20:07:29] <VNR> where can i find that image ?
[20:07:31] <giacus> G'night Lerneaen_Hydra
[20:09:45] <VNR> Do i need to install a real time kernel in ubuntu 5.10 ?
[20:10:03] <fenn> yes
[20:10:12] <fenn> look here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Installing_and_upgrading_off_line
[20:11:21] <anonimasu> hm
[20:11:23] <VNR> sorry i disconnected
[20:11:23] <fenn> so, basically you just download the debs, install them, and reboot
[20:11:31] <fenn> did you see the link i just pasted?
[20:12:23] <VNR> only this part: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl
[20:13:03] <fenn> click on "installing emc2" and then go down to section 7
[20:13:44] <VNR> yes, ok
[20:14:01] <fenn> i'm wondering where the cd image is myself
[20:17:04] <VNR> will this install the RT kernel too ?
[20:17:37] <fenn> linux-image-2.6.12-magma_cjr12_i386.deb has the rt patches
[20:17:46] <fenn> (yes)
[20:18:11] <rayh-about> brb
[20:18:35] <VNR> thanks you fenn, i will try to do it
[20:18:51] <VNR> bye from Argentina
[20:19:04] <fenn> * fenn waves
[20:30:47] <VNR> hi again
[20:31:34] <fenn> did it work?
[20:31:54] <VNR> there are some missed packages in the repository
[20:32:32] <VNR> all lib* and rtai.....
[20:32:48] <VNR> where can i get those files ?
[20:34:05] <fenn> rtai is missing?
[20:35:39] <fenn> you should be able to get them from packages.ubuntu.com but i dont know why he doesn't just have them in that repository
[20:35:49] <VNR> there are 3 rtai, wich one should i use ?
[20:36:39] <fenn> libc6 is here: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu12_i386.deb
[20:36:51] <VNR> rtai-modules-2.6.12-magma_3.3-test4+cjr10_i386.deb, rtai-modules-2.6.12-magma_3.3-2+cjr12_i386.deb or rtai-modules-2.6.12-magma_3.3-1+cjr1_i386.deb
[20:37:16] <fenn> the cjr12 one i guess
[20:37:50] <fenn> http://kambing.vlsm.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glib1.2/libglib1.2_1.2.10-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
[20:38:27] <fenn> http://kambing.vlsm.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2-common_1.2.10-17build1_all.deb
[20:40:47] <fenn> http://komo.vlsm.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/libstdc++5-3.3-dev_3.3.6-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
[20:42:18] <fenn> http://ubuntu.interlegis.gov.br/archive/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.1-4ubuntu9_i386.deb
[20:43:33] <fenn> is that all of the ones that were missing?
[20:44:43] <VNR> there is 6 lib* in the list, i think 1 is missing
[20:45:45] <fenn> http://kambing.vlsm.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2_1.2.10-17build1_i386.deb
[20:46:30] <fenn> oh geez that server's down
[20:47:07] <VNR> yes, i couldnt connect to the kambing server
[20:48:14] <VNR> and the others have less than 1KB transfer rate
[20:48:19] <fenn> fucking ubuntu package search is pissing me off
[20:48:34] <VNR> jeje
[20:49:08] <alex_joni> VNR: I recently made an LiveCD with emc2 on it, I _think_ you can use it to get the debs from it
[20:49:11] <alex_joni> apt-cdrom add
[20:49:15] <alex_joni> stick it in
[20:49:18] <alex_joni> apt-get update
[20:49:21] <alex_joni> apt-get install emc2
[20:49:35] <alex_joni> but it means you need to download about 700MB
[20:49:44] <fenn> alex_joni: did jepler put an image of his packages cd up anywhere/ any why arent all the .debs in that directory?
[20:49:53] <alex_joni> what debs aren't there?
[20:50:14] <alex_joni> fenn: I don't think he put the CD iso online, but he can do that
[20:50:14] <fenn> on the wiki, installing emc offline, there is a list of debs
[20:50:27] <VNR> alex_joni: the problem is that i cant connect to internet with ubuntu, so i need to get the packages in other way
[20:50:28] <alex_joni> fenn: most debs are in the ubuntu repository
[20:50:38] <alex_joni> VNR: can you download a CD now?
[20:50:50] <fenn> right but its a pita to search for specific packages using packages.ubuntu.com
[20:50:50] <alex_joni> VNR: then use it later on the PC that can't get online?
[20:51:08] <alex_joni> fenn: I agree it's a pita. any debian based system sucks without internet
[20:51:08] <VNR> alex_joni: yes, of course
[20:51:33] <fenn> ok great.. i type in "gtk" and click search... can't find that package
[20:51:48] <alex_joni> VNR: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso
[20:51:49] <fenn> wtf am i stupid or what?
[20:52:20] <fenn> also, my computer doesnt try to boot from the livecd for some reason
[20:52:30] <alex_joni> fenn: does it boot from CD?
[20:53:19] <VNR> alex_joni: what is inside this CD ?
[20:53:26] <fenn> yes, i've run puppy and dsl and some other livecd
[20:53:46] <alex_joni> VNR: an LiveCD from Ubuntu, with emc2 & axis & rt kernel
[20:53:59] <alex_joni> fenn: getting any errors?
[20:54:09] <fenn> no, it just boots off the hard drive
[20:54:23] <fenn> it spins up the cd for a second first
[20:54:31] <alex_joni> fenn: is the CD readable ?
[20:54:33] <VNR> alex_joni: do i need to install from scratch with this CD ?
[20:54:55] <alex_joni> VNR: no, you'll only use it as a local repository for the packages you need
[20:55:13] <alex_joni> 'apt-cdrom add' (adds the current CD to the sources.list)
[20:55:17] <alex_joni> apt-get update
[20:55:27] <alex_joni> apt-get install emc2, and you should be donw
[20:55:31] <alex_joni> done even
[20:55:48] <VNR> alex_joni: ah, ok. i will try to do it
[20:56:03] <alex_joni> VNR: I have never tried it though :/
[20:56:31] <alex_joni> but it might be easier than downloading packages, and trying & downloading again..
[20:56:40] <VNR> i will tell you if this doesnt work ;)
[20:56:45] <alex_joni> VNR: any reason why the Ubuntu box can't go online?
[20:57:19] <alex_joni> fenn: try to mount the CD from your normal OS
[20:57:22] <fenn> heheh
[20:57:25] <VNR> alex_joni: it because the provider not ubuntu, i need some special drivers that are only available on windows
[20:57:29] <fenn> i seem to have forgotten to burn the cd somehow
[20:57:36] <fenn> details details
[20:57:40] <alex_joni> fenn: LOL, that might be a reason :)
[20:57:50] <alex_joni> VNR: sorry to hear that..
[20:58:11] <alex_joni> VNR: I hate it when that happens (crappy providers with stupid rules)
[20:58:29] <alex_joni> fenn: ever heard about 'Metro' ?
[20:58:49] <alex_joni> it's a big Cash&Carry network
[20:59:03] <fenn> i wonder how k3b managed not to burn the disk
[20:59:05] <alex_joni> they sell PC's with Ubuntu on them .. to make them cheaper :))
[20:59:14] <fenn> kewl
[20:59:24] <VNR> fenn and alex_joni, thanks you for your help. i need to go, bye bye
[20:59:26] <fenn> VNR: what drivers do you need to use?
[20:59:35] <alex_joni> VNR: bye.. let us know if it worked out
[21:01:04] <VNR> of course i will let you know, i will connect to IRC for feedback, bye
[21:02:30] <alex_joni> heh.. seems someone is using the Java interface :)
[21:04:18] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC-Fest this week: www.cnc-workshop.com/| Home: linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[21:05:20] <chinamill> Good night alex_joni and everybody else.
[21:05:36] <alex_joni> night chinamill
[21:08:28] <fenn> god i hate computers
[21:08:34] <alex_joni> fenn: ?
[21:08:54] <fenn> sudo mount /dev/hdb /mnt/disk and it just sits there, doing nothing
[21:12:07] <alex_joni> wonder when horde will do ajax
[21:14:01] <fenn> i guess this cd drive is screwy
[21:14:46] <alex_joni> shouldn't you be mounting /dev/hdb# ?
[21:14:50] <alex_joni> or is that hte cdrom?
[21:15:01] <fenn> thats the cdrom
[21:15:12] <alex_joni> oh, mine is hdd :)
[21:15:34] <alex_joni> just to make it sound funny :))
[21:16:29] <fenn> after a couple tries it mounts but its slow and stalls out.. (and doesnt boot)
[21:16:43] <alex_joni> maybe the media is busted
[21:17:06] <Jymmm> alex_joni whats the url for the md5 ?
[21:17:22] <alex_joni> 99b79921ea60cc45d81b1bcaac9f0d85 emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso
[21:17:25] <alex_joni> right here
[21:17:47] <Jymmm> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso.md5
[21:21:58] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso.md5sum
[21:25:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:25:15] <alex_joni> night all
[21:25:21] <skunkworks> night alex
[21:29:55] <skunkworks> I was going to mill out a double sided board last night - but I decsided to build a vaccum table instead.
[21:31:02] <anonimasu> vaccum is nice
[21:31:21] <skunkworks> I had no way of holding the board down decently and flat.
[21:32:09] <anonimasu> got a vaccum pump/ejector
[21:32:10] <anonimasu> ?
[21:32:26] <anonimasu> the ejectors really rock for making vaccum
[21:33:02] <skunkworks> vane type vaccume pump - 1 hp I think
[21:33:08] <anonimasu> hm ok
[21:33:10] <anonimasu> should be plenty
[21:34:08] <skunkworks> yah - we had a big 14inch square cube out of the university that has 1 inch alluminum walls - and the top is 2 inches thick.
[21:34:19] <anonimasu> what?
[21:35:58] <skunkworks> sorry - spastic thoughts. we put a repacement plywood top on it..
[21:39:13] <skunkworks> I will take some pictures when i get a chance
[21:40:06] <anonimasu> 2ok
[21:58:04] <skunkworks> the top is 14"X14" with about 256 1/8 inch holes drilled in it.
[22:22:37] <Jymmm> are vac pumps quiet?
[22:53:46] <robin_sz> depends
[22:53:57] <robin_sz> what sort fo vac pump do you have in mind?
[22:54:06] <robin_sz> side-channel blower?
[22:54:13] <robin_sz> piston pump?
[22:54:33] <robin_sz> rotary vane?
[22:55:26] <robin_sz> * robin_sz prods les_w
[23:09:14] <giacus> G'night all