#emc | Logs for 2006-05-10

[02:35:46] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm drops a pin... *** KaBoooooooooooooooooooom ***
[11:39:46] <alex_joni> hi les
[11:44:56] <les_w> hi alex
[11:54:34] <alex_joni> what's up ?
[11:56:20] <giacus> morning
[11:59:14] <alex_joni> morning
[11:59:31] <giacus> hi alex_joni
[12:02:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni listens to johnny cash ;)
[12:02:39] <giacus> just came back from a morning to the hospital for a check-up, all right
[12:03:25] <giacus> I sayd to anna to search for our question, since the sister seems very busy in these days
[12:03:47] <giacus> she's not going to work because she have to transfer from an home to another
[12:04:06] <giacus> k4ts is looking from her office now
[12:04:33] <giacus> I heard her some hour ago
[12:05:20] <giacus> hi Bo^Dick
[12:05:57] <giacus> found the microstepping driver at the end ?
[12:06:07] <alex_joni> microscoping driver
[12:06:15] <giacus> :)
[12:09:34] <Bo^Dick> no, i'm still working with my 1/16 stepping drive and i'm struggling at the finish line
[12:25:14] <SkunkWorks> logger_aj: bookmark
[12:25:14] <SkunkWorks> See
[12:29:21] <alex_joni> morning samco
[12:37:18] <SkunkWorks> morning. How is it going
[12:37:19] <SkunkWorks> ?
[12:37:54] <alex_joni> steady
[12:39:11] <SkunkWorks> alex_joni: do you know if the pid in emc is serial or parralell?
[12:39:22] <alex_joni> how do you mean that?
[12:40:24] <SkunkWorks> do the PID values effect each other or not. If you adjust the P does it have any effect on say the I ?
[12:40:54] <SkunkWorks> Did that make sense. serial is they effect each other - parralell they dont.
[12:41:29] <alex_joni> I guess parallel
[12:41:37] <alex_joni> although I never heard of such a thing ;)
[12:41:45] <alex_joni> definition I mean ..
[12:41:51] <SkunkWorks> I have been reading - and probably getting into trouble. :)
[12:42:47] <SkunkWorks> http://www.rcnassoc.com/Library/Control.htm
[12:43:07] <SkunkWorks> One of the places I read about it.
[12:43:26] <alex_joni> you'd have to ask jmk about very specifics..
[12:45:09] <SkunkWorks> He still scares me a little bit. :)
[12:45:33] <alex_joni> lol.. he can't harm you over a serial text interface
[12:45:35] <alex_joni> ROFL
[12:45:50] <SkunkWorks> I don't know about that :)
[12:46:40] <SkunkWorks> there was a discusion about autotuning of the pid yesterday. I was just looking around.
[12:48:36] <giacus> alex_joni: have a minut ?
[12:54:33] <alex_joni> sure
[14:22:33] <CIA-4> 03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/mini.tcl: better i18n
[14:22:34] <CIA-4> 03flo-h 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/ (5 files): better i18n
[14:43:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[14:43:28] <alex_joni> laters everyone
[14:58:33] <les_w> pid tuning huh skunk
[14:59:49] <SkunkWorks> Hi.
[15:00:01] <SkunkWorks> Not yet - but maybe in a week or two.
[15:00:13] <SkunkWorks> can't wait. - yes I am a geek.
[15:00:55] <SkunkWorks> at some point someone had made a program within emc to do a little autotuning - I was talking yesterday about it.
[15:01:09] <SkunkWorks> I > we
[15:02:39] <SkunkWorks> Was told if I could come up with some info on it - it could be intigrated. But I am not sure I can wrap my head around it.
[15:04:29] <SkunkWorks> Les_w: How long did it take you to tune your gantry to your satisfaction?
[17:04:47] <SkunkWorks> hmmm - If I leave an high traphic site up (like #ubuntu) I don't get disconnectied :)
[17:39:04] <giacus> strange
[17:40:10] <giacus> maybe the ping reply could be the reason
[17:40:18] <giacus> I'm not sure ..
[17:40:57] <giacus> I use $IPTABLES -A INPUT -i eth0 -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ACCEPT
[17:41:08] <giacus> to accept external ping
[17:41:40] <giacus> If your FW is blocking the ping, then the cause could be that
[17:42:28] <giacus> after a bit freenode think you're not there and disconnect you
[17:43:52] <fenn> my firewall blocks pings and it works fine
[17:45:00] <giacus> you're probably right, I never tried IRC blocking pings ..
[17:45:33] <giacus> I just heard that maybe the server could disconnect some client not responding to pings
[17:46:16] <giacus> I use calvino.freenode.net, wonder is irc.freenode.net is the same thing
[17:46:22] <giacus> if*
[17:47:43] <giacus> I'd check the lag parameters on the client too ..
[17:48:01] <giacus> hello K4ts :)
[17:48:48] <jepler> When you talk about 'ping' in the context of IRC, it's actually a message inside the IRC protocol, not an ICMP PING.
[17:50:55] <K4ts> hello
[17:51:35] <fenn> wow 1.7 seconds, thats higher than i would have thought
[17:51:46] <K4ts> giacus quando sei in calabria non apri msn quando eri qui lo aprivi mah!
[17:52:21] <giacus> K4ts: darn msn :( I was using the laptop there ..
[17:52:28] <fenn> grr i cant find this stupid connector in either digikey or jameco
[17:52:47] <fenn> i'd settle for the standard RC car connector even if its not the right thing
[17:52:51] <giacus> ok.. now running bitlbee
[17:53:48] <SkunkWorks> I don't have any issues at home - I stay connected. but here if there is any inactivity - I disconnect pretty quick - doesn't matter if it is mirc or java
[17:53:58] <SkunkWorks> but there is a lot more traffic here
[17:54:46] <giacus> K4ts: is happy with Chatzilla firefox extension
[17:54:53] <SkunkWorks> I never have luck finding connectors that I want.
[17:56:14] <giacus> SkunkWorks: irssi is a nice client for Linux, in Windows I'd try emacs+erc too
[17:56:43] <giacus> + gnus )
[17:56:46] <SkunkWorks> right now I am using the java client - just for ease. works well
[17:57:17] <giacus> java is sine, yeah, but I found it a bit heavy .. not for all days
[17:57:29] <SkunkWorks> sin?
[17:57:43] <giacus> but again, that's my personal point of view
[17:57:49] <SkunkWorks> :)
[17:57:53] <giacus> nice*
[17:58:47] <SkunkWorks> giacus: I now read snippets of news about italy. All because of you.
[17:59:07] <giacus> :D
[18:00:25] <fenn> see what you've gone and done
[18:00:48] <SkunkWorks> I don't need that kind of stress :)
[18:01:22] <fenn> reading the news is scientifically proven to be bad for you
[18:01:56] <giacus> it depend ..
[18:02:24] <giacus> i.e. not this: http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php
[18:04:01] <giacus> today we got the new president here: Napolitano
[18:04:30] <giacus> its weird as in the US the president have lot of power and here not ..
[18:05:04] <giacus> very different politician system
[18:07:14] <SkunkWorks> I finally ordered some pcb engraving bits today.
[18:07:20] <SkunkWorks> Yay me.
[18:07:38] <giacus> cool
[18:07:49] <SkunkWorks> I figure by the time I get back to the project they will be here.
[18:08:54] <SkunkWorks> Fenn: where abouts are you located?
[18:09:25] <bill203> anyone have much experience with the thk HSR rails?
[18:09:50] <fenn> SkunkWorks: south-central indiana
[18:10:01] <bill203> I'm wondering if these would be suitable for a Z-axis: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7616136113
[18:10:30] <bill203> or if you need more that 2 mounting points to keep it rigid enough.
[18:10:35] <SkunkWorks> fenn: your building a foam cutter?
[18:10:40] <SkunkWorks> hot wire?
[18:10:43] <fenn> no
[18:10:50] <fenn> i'm building a hexapod milling machine
[18:10:56] <SkunkWorks> nice.
[18:11:04] <fenn> i already have a really weak floppy dremel/xyz table
[18:11:08] <bill203> pics?
[18:11:09] <fenn> it can only cut styrofoam
[18:11:18] <giacus> bill203: why not ? I like it
[18:11:38] <giacus> maybe depend on the rest of the machine too
[18:11:48] <giacus> your're going to build
[18:12:19] <bill203> it's a gantry mill, intended for aluminum and softer materials.
[18:12:21] <fenn> bill203: http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/camera/DCP_0329.JPG
[18:13:08] <fenn> ok i'm going nuts here trying to find a connector just _similar_ to this one: http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/camera/DCP_0639.JPG
[18:13:09] <bill203> I'm mostly curious about whether the carriages are tight enough not to need 4 of them mounted in a square.
[18:13:16] <cradek> fenn: wasn't it hard to glue everything to the wall?
[18:14:00] <fenn> cradek: i dont understand
[18:14:13] <cradek> fenn: sorry, I was being stupid because the photo is sideways
[18:14:26] <fenn> meh
[18:15:00] <cradek> did you start with some kind of table/bench or is it all purpose-built?
[18:15:09] <SkunkWorks> Fenn: very nice.
[18:15:25] <fenn> its made of 2x4's and black gas pipe, with skate bearings
[18:15:35] <SkunkWorks> practical
[18:15:55] <SkunkWorks> have you tried to cut anything other than foam?
[18:16:05] <fenn> yes and failed miserably
[18:16:19] <cradek> it's regular old iron pipe?
[18:16:29] <fenn> was trying to face off some plastic to get it flat enough to engrave pcb's
[18:16:51] <fenn> yep, pipe is pretty accurate before they put the galvanizing on it
[18:16:59] <SkunkWorks> radiocrap actually has plugs similar to power supply connectors - 1,2,3, up to 9 contacts.
[18:17:17] <fenn> i'm just totally lost in digikey/jameco
[18:17:32] <fenn> i cant believe they wouldnt have these connectors but i just dont know how to find them
[18:17:39] <bill203> it's tough to find stuff when you dont know the proper name
[18:18:04] <fenn> its similar to an RC battery connector but the D-shape holes are pointing a different direction
[18:18:18] <fenn> but i cant even find an RC battery connector
[18:18:24] <giacus> dinner.. later.
[18:19:56] <cradek> mouser has some similar stuff called "molex plug and socket power connectors"
[18:20:18] <SkunkWorks> fenn" http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103449&cp=&origkw=connector+interlocking&kw=connector+interlocking&parentPage=search
[18:20:26] <fenn> yes i saw that
[18:21:01] <fenn> oops nevermind
[18:27:11] <cradek> fenn: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/626/1095.pdf
[18:29:44] <fenn> cradek: do you mind me asking how you found that?
[18:30:40] <cradek> I used the categories - I think it was something like connectors, rectangular connectors, power connectors, pin and socket connectors
[18:31:06] <cradek> normally I'd have the catalog and I just flip through it, but not at work
[18:31:45] <cradek> also I'd heard "molex" before and quickly suspected that was the name for that style of connector
[18:32:12] <fenn> i should get some printed catalogs
[18:32:39] <cradek> mouser won't quit sending them once you ask for one, so be careful
[18:32:49] <cradek> now I use them for traction in the winter
[18:32:53] <fenn> heheh
[18:33:06] <fenn> would you mind bringing a couple to fest then?
[18:33:24] <SkunkWorks> 2 inch thick catalogs - remind me of the computer shopper back in the day
[18:33:34] <cradek> sure, I'll bring my latest one for you if I can remember
[18:33:46] <cradek> I think they send a new one every quarter
[18:33:47] <jepler> you can also download a full catalog pdf if you can find the website link
[18:33:48] <jepler> it's big
[18:33:58] <cradek> jepler: I don't think that's true anymore
[18:34:05] <cradek> jepler: I looked for it a while back
[18:34:15] <fenn> that would be kinda pointless anyway
[18:34:28] <cradek> if the table of contents works, it might be nice
[18:34:37] <cradek> it doesn't seem to work for me in xpdf
[18:34:58] <jepler> it does work for me in acroread. I think it works in evince too.
[18:35:03] <jepler> http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=catalogdownloads
[18:36:58] <fenn> well, after all that i think i might just hack up some atx psu's and file them til they fit.. :\
[18:37:07] <fenn> atx connectors even
[18:37:58] <fenn> definitely bookmarked though
[18:39:38] <jepler> using the mouser catalog "table of contents" in evince: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/mouser-catalog-evince.png
[18:39:40] <SkunkWorks> fenn: are the steppers just not strong enough?
[18:40:07] <fenn> skunkworks?
[18:40:43] <SkunkWorks> on your xyz machine
[18:41:02] <fenn> its not rigid enough
[18:41:11] <SkunkWorks> ah
[18:41:21] <SkunkWorks> rigidity
[18:41:30] <cradek> well, that shows what I know
[18:42:10] <fenn> also, due to poor construction methods it doesnt quite return to the same position when you push on it kinda hard
[18:44:48] <SkunkWorks> so then what do you do with it :)
[18:47:41] <fenn> i dont push on it :)
[18:47:48] <SkunkWorks> cradek: I orderd some pcb mills from tinker.
[18:48:16] <SkunkWorks> should be here by the end of the week. maybe
[18:48:43] <cradek> cool, you'll like them
[18:49:06] <SkunkWorks> fenn: what the pictures I saw from you - show a press for making skate boards?
[18:50:07] <fenn> yes
[18:50:23] <fenn> we made a sand mold and poured concrete over it
[18:50:39] <fenn> then you paint thinned wood glue on maple veneer and press it together for a couple days
[18:51:06] <fenn> trim on bandsaw and smooth the edges with a disk sander, nice board
[18:51:29] <SkunkWorks> very neat.
[18:51:46] <fenn> we've only made like 3 boards because its quite time consuming
[18:51:56] <SkunkWorks> have they lasted?
[18:52:00] <fenn> yeah
[18:52:03] <SkunkWorks> cool
[18:52:36] <fenn> they're a bit heavier than commercial boards, i think its because we use so much glue and dont press hard enough
[18:54:31] <fenn> why are there so damn many connector styles
[18:54:57] <SkunkWorks> We use maple plywood boards here for our die boards. tough shit
[18:55:26] <fenn> what does a die board do?
[18:56:00] <SkunkWorks> we laser cut the board - insert knives in the slots - that cuts out the decals.
[18:56:28] <fenn> like a cookie cutter?
[18:56:33] <SkunkWorks> exactly
[19:31:51] <les_w> bleh. sensor phasing woes.
[19:33:47] <giacus> hi les
[19:34:34] <fenn> yeehaw! hacked up atx connector works: http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/camera/DCP_0640.JPG
[19:35:38] <giacus> :D
[19:37:51] <jepler> brute force triumphs again
[19:48:28] <giacus> incredible.. found an hen died in my chicken run, was going to drink water in a bucket and can't get out with the head from there: drowned :(
[19:49:08] <giacus> stupid hen
[19:49:38] <giacus> K4ts: tomorrow chicken at lunch
[19:52:39] <Bo^Dick> does anyone know about any free software for programming pld's, microcontrollers, avr's and other programmable devices
[19:53:06] <giacus> Bo^Dick: for Linux ?
[19:54:05] <bill203> I thing gcc has native avr support now, but I dont know about actually writing it to the chip.
[19:54:42] <giacus> ava - Algebraical Virtual Assembler for Atmel's AVR MCU, avr-libc - Standard C library for Atmel AVR development, avra - Assembler for Atmel AVR microcontrollers, and others..
[19:55:22] <giacus> looking at apt-search avr
[19:56:25] <jepler> avrdude and another program whose name I forget can both program AVRs using the low-voltage serial method.
[19:56:35] <fenn> uisp
[19:56:38] <jepler> yeah that
[19:56:48] <fenn> uisp isnt worth using
[19:56:50] <bill203> avrprog - Programmer for Atmel AVR microcontrollers
[19:56:55] <jepler> this can be done with nothing more than a parallel-port cable that brings 4(?) I/O lines to the AVR
[19:57:37] <jepler> you need: GND (not a signal per se), RESET, SCK, MISO, and MOSI
[20:13:15] <SWPadnos> don't forget power, and a clock source (which may be internal to the chip)
[20:20:12] <giacus> what about this ? http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1824&appnote=en011997
[20:22:09] <giacus> hello jepler
[20:22:12] <giacus> ops Jymmmm
[20:22:28] <Jymmmm> hi
[20:24:16] <jepler> giacus: doesn't look like there's current feedback anywhere in that circuit.
[20:25:09] <giacus> movlw 0x38 ;set Forward current in Winding1
[20:25:18] <giacus> doesn't it ?
[20:25:47] <giacus> looking at the pdf
[20:26:40] <jepler> look at page 17 figure 23
[20:26:48] <jepler> there's no current feedback
[20:26:58] <jepler> you just set the PWM duty cycle in % and hope the current is about what yo uwanted
[20:27:40] <giacus> probably right
[20:27:44] <giacus> I found this Current feedbacks from the motor windings are
[20:27:45] <giacus> converted to voltages by resistors R9 and R10,
[20:27:45] <giacus> connected to Pin 1 and 15 of U2. These feed-
[20:27:45] <giacus> backs are connected to AN1 (Pin 3) and AN3
[20:27:48] <giacus> (Pin5).
[20:29:02] <jepler> hm maybe I was wrong
[20:29:33] <giacus> probably
[20:30:41] <giacus> the nice thing is the source code available
[20:30:49] <giacus> wonder about the price ..
[20:30:55] <giacus> of the chip
[20:31:40] <jepler> the PIC chip is fairly inexpensive
[20:33:00] <jepler> I'm no good at reading PIC source code but I don't see where they actually use the AN1 and AN3 inputs
[20:34:15] <jepler> I looked at using a low-end AVR such as attiny2313 or atmega8, but the ADC is just too slow to provide a high chopping rate
[20:34:58] <giacus> this seems a new website to me: http://cstep.luberth.com/PStep.html
[20:35:04] <jepler> attiny2313 to generate microstepping waveform, l298 as h-bridge -- same bridge as they used for this PIC project
[20:35:47] <jepler> of course this pic takes serial input .. which is a completely terrible way to get coordinated motion in 3 axes
[20:44:38] <jepler> er, I think I meant attiny26
[20:45:46] <jepler> adc time 13 microseconds -> maximum "chopper" frequency 38.4kHz .. maybe it would be OK
[20:48:48] <giacus> interesting
[20:56:25] <jepler> (you have to alternately sample the two feedback voltages)
[21:08:00] <K4ts> ah
[21:08:13] <K4ts> finito
[21:27:15] <K4ts> wow presidente della repubblica napoletano
[21:27:34] <K4ts> :-0
[21:27:58] <K4ts> berlusconi is black
[21:29:02] <giacus> angry*
[21:29:06] <giacus> :-)
[22:08:50] <giacus> I did a small banner with gimp: http://www.giacus.org/images/emc_stats.png
[22:09:25] <giacus> if anyone want to use it in personal website a link is welcome :)
[22:12:33] <giacus> K4ts: you sleeping ?
[22:13:17] <K4ts> no I work
[22:14:09] <K4ts> preparo discorso
[22:14:16] <K4ts> :-)
[22:14:46] <giacus> have a fun
[22:16:29] <K4ts> you?
[22:16:54] <giacus> watching tv
[22:17:56] <K4ts> I have close tv bleach
[22:18:03] <K4ts> :-(
[22:19:48] <K4ts> word word... end promise,unrealizable
[22:20:18] <giacus> I'd like to watch a film, but I'm going to be tired: 12 spot breaks in 30 minuts :/
[22:20:42] <K4ts> film channel?
[22:20:43] <giacus> they're flashing my mind
[22:20:54] <giacus> Rete4
[22:22:13] <K4ts> look for me stampanti?
[22:22:59] <giacus> I've no idea about the printer you should buy
[22:23:15] <giacus> they semms all the same to me
[22:23:34] <giacus> I just found the piece using the B/W laser
[22:23:51] <giacus> as inkjet colour I've no idea
[22:24:11] <giacus> anything you choose is bad ..
[22:24:17] <K4ts> yo not have idea because you no look
[22:24:31] <giacus> buy a canon
[22:24:53] <giacus> stop to print after some year..
[22:25:06] <Jymmmm> Canon and Epson are good. Don't look at the cost of the printer, as much as the cost for the ink.
[22:25:15] <Jymmmm> INK == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[22:25:24] <giacus> especially if you do not print at least 1 page every day ..
[22:25:44] <Jymmmm> HP can be $60 for ink
[22:25:53] <K4ts> vorrei comprarne una per stamapre foto
[22:26:04] <giacus> Jymmmm: same here
[22:26:05] <K4ts> e stampare le mie foto
[22:26:09] <K4ts> quindi a colri
[22:26:12] <K4ts> mi serve
[22:26:23] <giacus> K4ts: all these printers are ok to print photos
[22:26:25] <Jymmmm> K4ts I get REAL photos for $0.19/each
[22:26:37] <Jymmmm> 4" x 6"
[22:26:39] <giacus> you need the paper too for that
[22:26:48] <K4ts> giacus traduci
[22:26:55] <K4ts> cio che dice Jymmmm
[22:27:05] <Jymmmm> K4ts english?
[22:27:16] <K4ts> no francasi!
[22:27:33] <K4ts> francais
[22:27:34] <giacus> lui compra foto a circa 0.19 dollary per una
[22:27:36] <K4ts> ahah
[22:27:40] <giacus> meno di 20 cents
[22:27:48] <Jymmmm> REAL, not printer
[22:27:53] <K4ts> in che senso compra?
[22:28:00] <Jymmmm> Fuji Crystal Archive paper
[22:28:04] <giacus> se le fa stampare
[22:28:08] <K4ts> ah si
[22:28:17] <giacus> cheap and good
[22:28:21] <K4ts> ma io volevo fare anche t shirt
[22:28:27] <K4ts> capito
[22:28:28] <K4ts> come
[22:28:36] <Jymmmm> K4ts cafepress.com
[22:28:39] <giacus> I never printed on t-shirt
[22:28:45] <giacus> no clue..
[22:28:51] <Jymmmm> The photo lab does t-shorts too
[22:29:07] <K4ts> yes Jymmmm also a napoli
[22:29:38] <Jymmmm> K4ts I think almost same price as printing yourself, except for nude photos or things you need instantly.
[22:30:02] <giacus> K4ts: if you think the cost of ink, paper .. could be cheap
[22:30:10] <giacus> Jymmmm: :D
[22:30:16] <K4ts> t shirt capito
[22:30:26] <K4ts> forse non vale la pena
[22:30:31] <giacus> nope..
[22:30:39] <K4ts> per per carta colori ecc ecc
[22:30:43] <giacus> a good paper photo is expensive
[22:30:50] <K4ts> parla tricolore
[22:30:52] <giacus> and ink too
[22:31:09] <K4ts> rimettimi translate
[22:31:14] <K4ts> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[22:31:29] <K4ts> I cry
[22:31:33] <giacus> you'll never learn so :(
[22:31:42] <Jymmmm> K4ts ENGLISH!
[22:31:46] <giacus> I started with 'hi'
[22:31:48] <giacus> hehe
[22:31:50] <K4ts> gr Jymmmm
[22:31:53] <K4ts> grrrrrrrr
[22:32:12] <K4ts> Jymmmm: ITALIANO
[22:32:15] <K4ts> ùahah
[22:32:18] <Jymmmm> K4ts Whine all you want but if you want to learn english, this is a good start as we will help you
[22:33:07] <Jymmmm> K4ts Just learn one word at a time
[22:33:19] <Jymmmm> one == uno
[22:33:30] <Jymmmm> See... that's easy =)
[22:33:35] <giacus> she was using an estension in chatzilla
[22:33:40] <K4ts> ùyes two = due
[22:33:44] <K4ts> ih ih
[22:33:47] <giacus> dunno why it stop to work ..
[22:34:06] <giacus> oh ..
[22:34:23] <giacus> maybe she reached the max limit of translations/mounth
[22:34:37] <giacus> could be.. not sure
[22:35:07] <Jymmmm> giacus youhave nude beaches in Italy don't you?
[22:35:21] <giacus> just some
[22:35:28] <Jymmmm> ah, ok.
[22:35:30] <giacus> one or teo I guess
[22:35:39] <giacus> two*
[22:35:44] <Jymmmm> yeah
[22:38:07] <K4ts> Jymmmm: 0_0
[22:38:25] <Jymmmm> K4ts: You dont go to nude beaches?
[22:38:34] <giacus> hehe K4ts did you understand late ?
[22:38:37] <giacus> lol
[22:38:41] <K4ts> rotfl
[22:39:26] <giacus> I really think K4ts hate nude beaches :P
[22:39:47] <Jymmmm> giacus modesty or jealousy =)
[22:39:53] <giacus> really
[22:39:54] <anonimasu> ^_^
[22:40:04] <Jymmmm> anonimasu got it =)
[22:40:06] <K4ts> yes jymmy only of night
[22:40:18] <K4ts> ahah
[22:40:19] <giacus> I just come back from L.A. with some postcard
[22:40:26] <Jymmmm> K4ts =)
[22:40:33] <giacus> she immediately detroy it :(
[22:40:45] <Jymmmm> Yep... jealousy =)
[22:40:45] <giacus> destroy*
[22:41:05] <K4ts> yes k4ts beat giacus
[22:41:11] <Jymmmm> lol
[22:41:17] <Jymmmm> how ya doin anonimasu
[22:41:31] <giacus> nah.. she's to much intelligent for that
[22:41:52] <Jymmmm> giacus: She hasn't found a place to bury the body is all =)
[22:42:15] <anonimasu> not too good
[22:42:35] <Jymmmm> anonimasu what up? YOU pregnant?
[22:42:41] <anonimasu> nope
[22:42:44] <anonimasu> just feeling a bit shitty
[22:42:53] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: Not the gf/wife... *YOU*
[22:43:03] <anonimasu> there isnt one..
[22:43:05] <Jymmmm> it would explain the shitty feeling
[22:43:29] <Jymmmm> anonimasu I have the remains of the flu from last month still
[22:43:50] <anonimasu> I wish it were like that..
[22:44:23] <Jymmmm> anonimasu emotional?
[22:59:47] <K4ts> my last cigarette
[22:59:58] <Jymmmm> K4ts get me some too
[23:00:52] <giacus> K4ts: the very last cigarette or just for this evening ?
[23:01:03] <K4ts> yes
[23:01:04] <K4ts> giacus
[23:01:13] <giacus> hehe, you have to work tomorrow ?
[23:01:42] <giacus> almost late here: 01:01
[23:02:03] <K4ts> yes day long tomorrow
[23:02:21] <giacus> mmhh K
[23:03:30] <K4ts> 17:00
[23:03:52] <giacus> btw, ask for an inkjet printer epson or canon or HP
[23:04:33] <K4ts> Hp I see 190 euro
[23:04:36] <giacus> dont forget to ask if it work sing microstepping, servo + encoders or stepper
[23:04:42] <giacus> :D
[23:05:03] <K4ts> 1300 copie
[23:05:07] <K4ts> a colri
[23:05:14] <K4ts> e 3200 bianco e nero
[23:05:18] <giacus> inkjet ?
[23:05:22] <K4ts> yes
[23:05:31] <giacus> E. 190 seems a lot
[23:05:37] <giacus> too much
[23:05:56] <giacus> is it gold ? :P
[23:06:57] <giacus> the cost is in the cartdriges, not the printer ..
[23:06:59] <K4ts> mah
[23:07:17] <giacus> choose a cheap printer and print one page every day :D
[23:07:51] <giacus> trash it after some year ..
[23:08:03] <giacus> or less
[23:08:58] <giacus> if you want a printer to really print buy a samsung as the mine
[23:09:01] <K4ts> http://www.newprice.it/home.aspx?FID=13&PID=135411
[23:09:03] <giacus> laser B/W
[23:09:18] <giacus> I turn on it after 6 month and its ready to print
[23:09:23] <giacus> at E. 99
[23:09:25] <Jymmmm> $200 USD color laser (refurb)
[23:09:47] <giacus> Jymmmm: the colour toner is expensive ..
[23:10:20] <Jymmmm> but worth it if you print a lot of color documents/brochusres
[23:11:03] <giacus> B/W is ok for me ..
[23:11:27] <giacus> I'd like to find an old dot printer
[23:11:38] <giacus> never stop to print ! :D
[23:11:48] <K4ts> uhhh 01 20
[23:11:53] <K4ts> i goooooo
[23:11:55] <K4ts> night
[23:11:56] <Jymmmm> lol, mine worked perfectly, color too, but I gave it away and never used it.
[23:12:06] <giacus> goodnight K4ts
[23:12:13] <K4ts> tomorrow 06 30
[23:12:15] <K4ts> sveglia
[23:12:22] <giacus> bye
[23:12:31] <K4ts> night all
[23:12:40] <K4ts> night Jymmmm
[23:13:06] <Jymmmm> G'Night K4ts
[23:16:18] <giacus> a refill for my samsung ml1520 is E.20 here , 3000 pages
[23:16:45] <giacus> cartdrige is around E. 80 :(
[23:48:52] <giacus> damn it http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200605/200605040016.html
[23:49:05] <giacus> 35 micromotors just on the face O_O