#emc | Logs for 2006-05-03

[00:38:58] <les_w> tired after work. nany one around?
[00:39:04] <les_w> any
[00:40:31] <les_w> guess everyone else is tired too!
[00:47:09] <SWP_Away> nope
[00:55:40] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[00:58:43] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx:
[00:58:43] <CIA-4> various markup and typo fixes
[00:58:43] <CIA-4> docuemnt G33
[00:58:43] <CIA-4> document M1xx
[00:58:43] <CIA-4> add chapter for G-Code Best Practices
[00:58:44] <CIA-4> add chapter for Cutter Radius Compensation, no content yet
[01:02:34] <jepler> oh, and I figured out how to add "Bookmarks" and clickable cross-links to the pdfs generated by lyx!
[01:02:38] <jepler> a crop of checkins is coming..
[01:03:09] <jmkasunich> !
[01:03:15] <jmkasunich> you gotta share that info
[01:03:18] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (4 files): add hyperrefs
[01:03:18] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: add hyperrefs
[01:03:24] <SWPadnos> a crop of chickens?
[01:04:05] <jmkasunich> a chicken's crop
[01:04:28] <les_w> i'm about to have that...hen is broody
[01:04:34] <SWPadnos> a coop of chickens
[01:04:45] <SWPadnos> too much informatio there, Les
[01:05:48] <les_w> chicks soon...most will get eaten...free range
[01:05:56] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: get rid of title, author, and TOC since this document is to be included in Master_User.lyx
[01:18:07] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/introduction.lyx: Make large images be at most 80% the width of the page
[01:18:32] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/installing.lyx: markup and spelling fixes
[01:23:11] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/compiling.lyx: markup and spelling fixes
[01:25:21] <jepler> haha spellchecker http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/replacement.png
[01:26:16] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:26:30] <SWPadnos> but BC is closer ;)
[01:30:25] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich likes old machines
[01:30:43] <jmkasunich> (irrelevant comment)
[01:33:47] <SWPadnos> ignored ;)
[01:34:22] <jmkasunich> sniffin' too much hoppes 9 I guess
[01:34:33] <SWPadnos> that's a beer?
[01:34:40] <SWPadnos> or magic markers?
[01:34:45] <jmkasunich> wrong hops
[01:34:52] <SWPadnos> ah
[01:34:54] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/introduction.lyx: spelling and formatting fixes
[01:35:09] <jepler> well that's about all I can stand to look at the documentation
[01:35:09] <jmkasunich> the machine in question is a 60 year old 1911A1
[01:35:12] <jepler> I hope I didn't step on anybody's toes
[01:35:18] <SWPadnos> ouch
[01:35:22] <SWPadnos> not that I know of
[01:35:48] <jmkasunich> any and all docs work is much appreiated
[01:35:54] <jmkasunich> appreciated even
[01:36:40] <jepler> yeah those are the kind of "misteaks" I tried to fix
[01:40:08] <SWPadnos> is there an overall setting for "figure attributes"?
[01:40:23] <SWPadnos> like having the caption above vs. below the graphic
[01:41:08] <jmkasunich> must be, but I don't recall where
[01:41:45] <SWPadnos> ok. I just noticed in user_whatis that some figures have the caption above, and I remembered that HAL_intro had them below
[01:42:45] <jmkasunich> when I was first working on hal_intro I figured out figures
[01:42:55] <jmkasunich> but I've since forgotten most of that
[01:42:55] <SWPadnos> then promptly forgot? ;)
[01:43:37] <jmkasunich> not neccessarily promptly, its been 2 years
[01:43:54] <SWPadnos> I usually forget things like that within a week or two ;)
[01:44:19] <SWPadnos> or remember forever. too bad I can't seem to choose which happens
[01:44:19] <jmkasunich> heh, figured out how to keep the cat from jumping in my lap
[01:44:24] <jmkasunich> she doesn't like hoppes
[01:44:43] <SWPadnos> ah - gun oil
[01:44:54] <jmkasunich> cleaner
[01:45:33] <SWPadnos> finally got it. haven't messed with rifles at all since the National Guard
[01:45:51] <jmkasunich> I shot some lead bullets my brother gave me (handloads)
[01:46:11] <jmkasunich> its the first lead I've shot, everything else was FMJ
[01:46:17] <jmkasunich> its messier
[01:46:37] <SWPadnos> the lead?
[01:46:54] <jmkasunich> yeah, in the barrel
[01:46:58] <SWPadnos> bummer
[01:47:19] <jmkasunich> cleaning is kind of a zen thing tho
[01:47:35] <SWPadnos> if you're doing it for fun, I guess so.
[01:47:42] <SWPadnos> they don't promote the zen thing in the military
[01:48:01] <jmkasunich> if you only have one, and only shoot/clean it once a month or so
[01:48:18] <jmkasunich> a whole stack of dirty rifles would take the zen out of it real quick
[01:48:20] <SWPadnos> right. then you can take your time and experience the job
[01:48:34] <SWPadnos> or one that you have to disassemble / clean / reassemble in 6 minutes or so
[01:48:41] <SWPadnos> with someone yelling at you the whole time
[01:48:56] <jmkasunich> I can detail strip and reassemble in about that, but cleaning takes longer
[01:49:36] <SWPadnos> I can't remember how fast we had to be able to fully strip and reassemble the M16
[01:49:46] <SWPadnos> it was different if you had to pull apart the firing assembly as well
[01:49:52] <SWPadnos> firing pin assembly
[01:50:01] <jmkasunich> field strip vs detail strip probably
[01:50:11] <jmkasunich> field strip a 1911A1 takes about 30 secs
[01:50:48] <SWPadnos> that's just pulling out the bolt / firing pin and pulling the handguards or something, right?
[01:51:16] <jmkasunich> slide, barrel, recoil spring, slide stop, bushing
[01:51:41] <SWPadnos> ok
[01:52:04] <jmkasunich> detail strip pulls out the firing pin, extractor, and a bunch of little pieces from the receiver (trigger, etc)
[01:52:26] <SWPadnos> ok. the detail strip on the m16 doesn't involve the trigger
[01:52:56] <SWPadnos> but you do disassemble the firing pin assembly, which has 6 or 8 parts
[01:53:18] <SWPadnos> if only I could remember the names of all those things ;)
[01:53:25] <SWPadnos> (but it has been 15 years)
[01:53:26] <jmkasunich> finicky little bits
[01:54:49] <SWPadnos> cool image: http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a3xray.jpg
[01:55:04] <jmkasunich> neat
[01:55:50] <jmkasunich> http://www.docsmachine.com/posters/
[01:56:51] <SWPadnos> too damn funny
[01:57:06] <SWPadnos> I have to get into better shape to go do the paintball thing again
[01:57:19] <jmkasunich> his webcomic is pretty good to
[01:58:09] <jmkasunich> imagine a grumpy, somewhat geeky (in a machinist way) polar bear running a paintball shop
[01:58:18] <jmkasunich> powered by mountain dew
[01:58:37] <SWPadnos> heh - BAWLS to the rescue!
[01:59:00] <jmkasunich> ?
[01:59:37] <SWPadnos> it's an energy / caffeiene drink, like jolt or red bull
[01:59:43] <jmkasunich> ah
[01:59:45] <SWPadnos> served at all the finest LAN parties
[02:00:05] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb005.html
[02:00:28] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb007.html
[02:00:49] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:01:00] <SWPadnos> junkyard wars - now that's something I'd love to do
[02:01:05] <jmkasunich> yep
[02:01:19] <jmkasunich> could you imagine an emc team?
[02:01:23] <SWPadnos> yes
[02:01:42] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/auto4th02.html
[02:01:56] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:02:46] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb025.html
[02:02:50] <jmkasunich> btdt
[02:03:01] <SWPadnos> indeed
[02:03:44] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb029.html
[02:03:52] <jmkasunich> you can get anything on ebay
[02:03:57] <jmkasunich> (except guns)
[02:04:18] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:04:50] <SWPadnos> I've seen an F-18 and an aircraft carrier
[02:04:55] <jmkasunich> its been a while since I looked thru the old ones...
[02:04:57] <SWPadnos> not in the same auction though
[02:05:01] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb032.html
[02:05:12] <jmkasunich> why not, they could go as a kit!
[02:05:34] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:05:47] <SWPadnos> though the NSA was wondering why there was a fully equipped F18 on eBay
[02:06:07] <jmkasunich> http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb037.html
[02:06:32] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:38:56] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: swp's multi read works.
[02:44:01] <SWPadnos> woohoo! :)
[02:51:19] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[02:59:40] <Jymmm> no body parts =(
[03:00:30] <Jymmm> Well... you can rent space on body parts though.
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[08:04:36] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. One of our sponsors requested that their server be removed from main rotation for some work, and it appears that the server was taken offline a bit earlier than anticipated. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[10:45:03] <fenn> hmmm interesting.. the first ever semi-auto paintball gun has been stolen!
[10:47:06] <giacus> hi fenn , where ?
[10:47:20] <fenn> from its owner, glenn palmer
[10:47:41] <fenn> http://members.tripod.com/~Mr_Tail/hurr/camille.jpg
[10:48:25] <giacus> hehe :)
[10:48:55] <fenn> i think that gun is beautiful
[11:10:06] <alex_joni> morning guys
[11:12:57] <giacus> morning alex_joni
[11:14:26] <alex_joni> hi jacky
[11:15:00] <anonimasu> morning
[11:18:09] <alex_joni> hi anders
[11:23:27] <giacus> this guy is nice http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html
[11:29:51] <alex_joni> well, the hardware is nice.. don't know about the guy :D
[11:30:21] <giacus> hehe
[11:30:31] <giacus> I meant I like the idea ;)
[11:30:40] <giacus> not the guy haha
[11:30:46] <anonimasu> I have a box like that ;)
[11:30:49] <anonimasu> a firewall
[11:30:52] <anonimasu> it's black and looks evilö
[11:31:46] <giacus> nice
[11:32:53] <anonimasu> but it's large..
[11:32:55] <alex_joni> anonimasu: nice;)
[11:33:00] <anonimasu> I'd have bought a 2u chassis instead
[11:39:38] <Bo^Dick> could someone guide me how to make an NE555 in astable operation so it becomes adjustable with one pot and with a nominal frequency of around 30kHz?
[11:44:53] <alex_joni> I think google can
[11:45:33] <alex_joni> http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?3
[11:46:01] <fenn> also check the datasheet :)
[11:48:26] <Bo^Dick> really
[11:49:36] <Bo^Dick> the problem is that the frequency is dependent on two resistors and i wanna adjust the frequency with just one pot
[11:50:06] <Bo^Dick> this is the very problem
[11:50:36] <Bo^Dick> i can find tons of information on how to do it non-adjustable
[11:51:23] <anonimasu> Bo^Dick: are the resistors the same?
[11:51:24] <fenn> subsitute the pot for one of your resistors
[11:51:38] <anonimasu> or what use does the other resistor do?
[11:51:45] <anonimasu> fenn: :)
[11:51:51] <Bo^Dick> the frequency is dependent on Ra+2*Rb
[11:51:54] <fenn> you can change the duty cycle by varying the ratio of the two resistors
[11:52:09] <anonimasu> hm, changing one would work then..
[11:52:21] <Bo^Dick> yeah, and i want to change the frequency without changing the duty cycle
[11:52:36] <Bo^Dick> this is where things becomes tricky
[11:55:12] <fenn> welll....
[11:55:21] <fenn> you could use two pots
[11:55:27] <fenn> and turn them at the same time
[11:55:36] <rayh> logger_aj, bookmark
[11:55:36] <rayh> See
[11:55:41] <anonimasu> arent there multi pot's
[11:55:44] <anonimasu> with several outputs..
[11:55:54] <anonimasu> not free though..
[12:02:17] <alex_joni> or use 2 555's and a tandem poti
[13:39:42] <SkunkWorks> logger_aj: bookmark
[13:39:42] <SkunkWorks> See
[14:00:50] <SkunkWorks> alex_joni: todays log is fine. Odd
[14:08:20] <giacus> later
[15:05:42] <SkunkWorks> side question - does the default install of ubuntu server install a gui?
[15:07:05] <jepler> no.
[15:07:20] <SkunkWorks> Thanks jepler.
[15:08:24] <jepler> If you want to add X after doing a server install, start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[15:08:34] <jepler> A good way to install a lightweight (graphical) system is to do a server install (see the above section) and then install some minimal lightweight components.
[15:08:38] <jepler> Some examples are:
[15:08:40] <jepler> sudo apt-get install gdm x-window-system-core xterm icewm menu mozilla-firefox abiword synaptic
[15:17:23] <alex_joni> jepler: I really like xfce as a lightweight system
[15:17:34] <jepler> I prefer icewm
[15:17:52] <jepler> and it was the top instruuction on that page, so it must be a good one
[15:18:01] <jepler> (though I wouldn't install abiword and I odn't know what menu is)
[15:24:08] <SWP_Away> Description: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications
[15:24:09] <SWP_Away> Debian menu keeps transparently the menus in the different
[15:24:11] <SWP_Away> window-managers in sync with the list of installed programs.
[15:24:13] <SWP_Away> .
[15:24:14] <SWP_Away> Debian menu relies on a list of menu entries provided by programs
[15:24:16] <SWP_Away> and a list of menu-methods provided by window-managers and other
[15:24:17] <SWP_Away> menu-aware applications.
[15:24:19] <SWP_Away> .
[15:24:21] <SWP_Away> Menu provides system-level and user-level configuration and overrides
[15:24:22] <SWP_Away> for both menu entries and menu-methods.
[15:24:24] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[15:25:09] <jepler> oh. is that something we should be using for the emc2 launcher item?
[15:25:22] <SWPadnos> darned good question
[15:26:01] <SWPadnos> we can fiddle with kubuntu at Fest - I'll bring the hard drive with that install on it
[15:26:35] <SWPadnos> I've had a hard time figuring out which docs are relevant to the version of KDE on kubuntu, and which are outdated
[15:26:56] <SWPadnos> the KDE help gives some info, but it doesn't seem to work (for me)
[15:26:58] <cradek> and who knows what they'll change in the next month's release
[15:27:02] <SWPadnos> right
[15:27:39] <SWPadnos> actually, it may be better for me to change that install over to one of the dapper prerelease repos, so we can test ahead of release time
[15:28:19] <SWPadnos> hmmm. actually, I'm about to wipe my gentoo install, so maybe that would be a better testbed than my laptop
[15:28:39] <cradek> I have a machine with hard drives that plug in, but it's huge
[15:28:52] <SWPadnos> as do I, though I may bring it anyway
[15:28:52] <cradek> I had planned on taking it, but I got a laptop instead
[15:28:54] <jepler> you'll still install cradek's kernel, even though it won't match the dapper kernel version?
[15:29:06] <SWPadnos> yes, I think so
[15:29:17] <cradek> afaik they've not decided which kernel to use in the real dapper release yet
[15:29:19] <SWPadnos> or try building an RTkernel for dapper
[15:29:34] <SWPadnos> what kernel are your packages on?
[15:29:37] <alex_joni> darn providers.. can they ever get it right?
[15:29:38] <cradek> seems silly to spend time on it before the real release
[15:30:04] <alex_joni> my home connection is down :(
[15:30:22] <alex_joni> cradek: dapper is due in June.. right?
[15:30:25] <cradek> I patched the 2.6.12 that came with ubuntu
[15:30:29] <SWPadnos> June 1, I think
[15:30:31] <SWPadnos> ok
[15:30:47] <alex_joni> it should have been april, but they moved it iirc
[15:30:54] <cradek> I figured it would be safest to use their kernel
[15:30:58] <SWPadnos> right. 6 weeks out
[15:31:25] <cradek> it seems to have worked well, because I could apply their security fix directly
[15:32:46] <SWPadnos> so far, it looks like 2.6.15 will be it, though that's obviously up for debate
[15:34:47] <cradek> I bet the old packages will work fine, but I haven't tried it
[15:35:19] <SWPadnos> well, I may try it today - we'll see what happens
[15:35:25] <cradek> cool
[15:46:08] <SkunkWorks> thanks jepler.
[15:47:22] <SkunkWorks> when I boot to the console and run sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core - nothing installs.
[15:48:18] <alex_joni> SkunkWorks: does it error?
[15:48:46] <SkunkWorks> I get a full page of it searching - it doesn't even try the cdrom as far as I can tell. do I have to mount it some how.
[15:49:29] <SkunkWorks> "last line is "no installation canidate"
[15:50:52] <alex_joni> apt-cdrom add
[15:52:57] <SkunkWorks> that worked. - how come I have no network right now? I had setup the ip address manually when It was installing. same way I do with the client install.
[15:53:07] <alex_joni> dunno..
[15:53:14] <alex_joni> check ifconfig
[15:54:41] <SkunkWorks> network unreachable
[15:54:46] <SkunkWorks> let me play
[16:20:30] <chinamill> join #emc-devel
[16:20:46] <chinamill> oups
[16:21:48] <alex_joni> try /join
[16:21:53] <alex_joni> ;-)
[17:18:28] <les_w> hi all
[17:19:12] <les_w> just waiting for that important teleconference
[17:19:16] <les_w> 40 minutes
[17:19:52] <alex_joni> hi les
[17:19:52] <Jymmm> HI les_w
[17:19:57] <alex_joni> didn't see you lately
[17:19:57] <les_w> hey
[17:20:16] <les_w> wrking 12 hrs 7 days on emergency project
[17:20:22] <alex_joni> ouch
[17:20:41] <les_w> meeting for results in 40 minutes!
[17:21:16] <les_w> very stressful
[17:22:32] <Jymmm> les_w the air electric thing?
[17:23:21] <les_w> yeah
[17:23:37] <les_w> I took a chance and went for broke on a new device
[17:23:40] <Jymmm> les_w Did they change the criteria or the timeline?
[17:23:46] <les_w> it works!!!!
[17:24:05] <les_w> yeah they needed something for the quarterly review
[17:24:16] <les_w> and gave me 11 days.
[17:24:20] <Jymmm> sigh
[17:24:28] <les_w> it's typical
[17:25:27] <les_w> but I did get something...dramatic
[17:25:46] <Jymmm> a big fat check?
[17:26:10] <les_w> well $7200/week for this emergency stuff
[17:26:37] <les_w> need a long break after this though
[17:27:08] <les_w> I want to make $0/week for a couple weeks here
[17:27:36] <les_w> I have plowing and planting stuff to do
[17:27:37] <Jymmm> lol
[17:28:17] <les_w> had 5 tons of composted cow manure delivered...
[17:28:31] <les_w> so I will be shoveling......
[17:28:37] <Jymmm> PROOF that les is full of shit!
[17:28:53] <les_w> for sure!!
[17:28:57] <Jymmm> rotf
[17:29:12] <Jymmm> what are you planting?
[17:29:24] <les_w> oh, it's good stuff. composted for 2 years
[17:29:46] <les_w> grass....and some garden vegetables
[17:29:56] <les_w> mostly the golf course
[17:29:57] <Jymmm> oh the golf course.
[17:30:11] <les_w> and neighbor's new lawn I am doing
[17:30:33] <les_w> put 6 tons of lime on it this week.
[17:30:33] <Jymmm> you just want to break the shiny new tractor in, dont ya!!!
[17:30:38] <les_w> had it done...
[17:30:45] <les_w> while I was slaving away
[17:31:51] <les_w> tractor has to go in soon for it's 50 hr....
[17:32:02] <les_w> all the break in fluids replaced
[17:32:40] <les_w> all 12 gallons of hydraulic fluid
[17:32:47] <Jymmm> yeow!
[17:33:30] <les_w> it's some money....
[17:33:32] <Jymmm> I gotta buy a belt sander, think I'm gonna get a porter cable with the graphite option. Found a VERY nice article on them
[17:33:53] <Jymmm> http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/pages/h00050.asp
[17:33:57] <les_w> looking
[17:34:12] <Jymmm> He used ALL the ones he mentioned on the job.
[17:34:32] <Jymmm> I need to smooth out some rough cut lumber (redwood fencing)
[17:35:19] <les_w> I just have an old crapsman
[17:35:28] <Jymmm> There's no date on that article, but I think Porter Cable read it, as they now have the graphite platen as an accessory.
[17:35:30] <les_w> very seldom use it
[17:36:02] <Jymmm> Yeah, but you have a planer/jointer, so really no need for you. I have no space for them
[17:36:26] <les_w> last tool I bought was a saber saw
[17:36:51] <les_w> I just run sign stuff through neighbor's 46" wide belt sander
[17:36:55] <les_w> 56
[17:36:59] <les_w> 25 hp
[17:37:02] <Jymmm> bastard! lol
[17:37:41] <Jymmm> That's a SERIOUS sander!
[17:37:51] <les_w> he uses it for doors
[17:38:02] <Jymmm> Ah, that makes perfect sense.
[17:38:17] <les_w> it's the cheapest way to go really
[17:38:33] <les_w> labors costs just go away..
[17:38:35] <Jymmm> and cleanest results too... uniform
[17:38:44] <les_w> oh yeah
[17:38:51] <les_w> to thousandths
[17:39:25] <les_w> gulp 20 min to quarterly meeting
[17:40:08] <Jymmm> Well, I'm stuck and a 3" x21" belt sander, then a palm sander after that
[17:40:35] <les_w> you do need one for things sometimes
[17:40:45] <Jymmm> It sorta sucks, becuase I wanted to leave some of the roughness, but whitewash the carving too.
[17:40:50] <les_w> but try a WBS too
[17:40:56] <Jymmm> a what?
[17:41:03] <les_w> wide belt sander
[17:41:10] <les_w> just buy time on one
[17:41:19] <Jymmm> like 4" ?
[17:41:27] <les_w> haha
[17:41:33] <Jymmm> or like 44"?
[17:41:39] <les_w> most cabinet shops have one
[17:41:45] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[17:41:47] <les_w> 37" usually
[17:42:45] <Jymmm> Ah, well I have nothing that big for now.
[17:43:10] <les_w> yeah you need to do a lot of pieces when you turn it on
[17:43:29] <Jymmm> I probably couldn't feed the monster fast enough =)
[17:43:30] <les_w> I do a hundred or so blanks at a time
[17:44:02] <les_w> but after carving only random orbit sander
[17:44:33] <Jymmm> is an orbital ~= palm sander in respect to results?
[17:45:25] <Jymmm> is an orbital sorta equal to a palm sander in respect to results?
[17:46:36] <les_w> I use a little 5" makita
[17:46:59] <les_w> velcro pad for the paper
[17:47:30] <les_w> most palm sanders are random orbit
[17:47:40] <les_w> but many big ones are too
[17:50:02] <Jymmm> Oh, ok. I have this palm sander, didn't know if I should consider a nother one (getting link)....
[17:50:27] <Jymmm> http://www.makita.co.nz/_images/products-large/BO4553-L.jpg
[17:51:35] <Jymmm> When I hear rotary, I think this --> http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/de/dewalt-dw423.jpg
[17:51:41] <alex_joni> les_w: 10 minutes and counting
[17:51:47] <Jymmm> err I mean orbital
[17:52:20] <les_w> I use one like this
[17:52:25] <les_w> http://www.makita.co.nz/products/detail.lsd?item=BO5010
[17:52:33] <les_w> yeah alex 10 minutes
[17:52:36] <les_w> gulp
[17:53:04] <les_w> big big money involved
[17:53:23] <les_w> the research bucks are doled out at these
[17:53:34] <Jymmm> les_w: Since you'll be leaving abruptly... Good Luck!!!
[17:54:07] <les_w> thanks. I think It will go ok. I will unveil something dramatic.
[17:54:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands les_w his top hat and magic wand
[17:54:51] <les_w> need tap dancing shoes too
[17:55:00] <Jymmm> les_w (implied)
[17:55:27] <Jymmm> les_w PS the magic wand has flowers too =)
[17:55:36] <les_w> haha
[17:55:39] <Jymmm> and turns into a walking stick
[17:56:27] <les_w> I want more research funding, and also want to manufacture.
[17:56:32] <les_w> this thing
[17:56:59] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/images/emc2-intro.png: emc2 intro picture
[17:57:21] <les_w> Then I have an excuse to buy an airplane for the 80 mile commute
[17:57:46] <les_w> I hope the corporation isn't getting jittery about the economy
[17:57:54] <alex_joni> les_w: you need an airplane to test the air-thingy ;)
[17:58:01] <alex_joni> a simple fan won't work
[17:58:10] <les_w> haha
[17:58:15] <alex_joni> need to strap it under an airplane and fligh it high :D
[17:58:22] <les_w> i'm on
[17:58:23] <alex_joni> test it in all kinds of conditions ;)
[17:58:25] <ValarQ> sounds like a lot of pun
[17:59:51] <Jymmm> *RING*
[18:00:31] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: new intro image
[18:12:30] <SkunkWorks> sudo ifup eth0 worked :)
[18:12:56] <SkunkWorks> network must not be automatically turned on on the server install - go figure :)
[18:16:15] <SkunkWorks> it was funny - I could ping the ubuntu server through out the install but after the thing rebooted to finish up the install it disapeared
[18:16:18] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20_motion.hal: comment out encoder index
[18:41:41] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: tiny fix
[19:00:01] <Jymmm> Yo Ray! What da haps!
[19:05:03] <rayh> How you doing Jymmm?
[19:06:09] <Jymmm> rayh: Not too shabby, working on a new design; has a vicorian accent to it, just fighting fonts now =)
[19:06:33] <rayh> design for what?
[19:06:48] <Jymmm> rayh: sign
[19:07:00] <rayh> Ah.
[19:07:45] <Jymmm> Playing with some redwood, not too sure how the final results will turn out, as redwood is a softwood.
[19:08:33] <Jymmm> lots of intricate details... may not hold up
[19:09:23] <Jymmm> rayh: what you up to on that side of the world?
[19:09:59] <rayh> Life is good, the sun is out and the lake ice is gone.
[19:10:08] <rayh> Walleye fishing starts soon.
[19:14:47] <Jymmm> Heh... I'm working on an idea for a "Gone Fishing" sign... I have this weather aged timber here that I can carve on both sides easily =)
[19:23:18] <rayh> Sounds good to me.
[19:24:06] <Jymmm> Yeah, I wish I could paint sometimes, saw a nice carving going for $700
[19:24:25] <Jymmm> like painting a trout or bass
[19:24:33] <alex_joni> Jymmm: deskjet
[19:24:56] <Jymmm> alex_joni I'll wait till Les gets his painting robot working.
[19:25:17] <rayh> Matt and I worked on the design for a cake frosting robot.
[19:25:28] <alex_joni> you could put a spraying head on your mill though..
[19:25:33] <Jymmm> rayh how did it work out?
[19:25:42] <rayh> Not just an inkjet but real 4 color mixing and squirting.
[19:25:44] <alex_joni> rayh: we sold some choclate sprayers once
[19:25:56] <rayh> Ran out of time and enthusiasm.
[19:26:04] <rayh> Really.
[19:26:08] <alex_joni> I always liked cleaning the nozzles
[19:26:10] <alex_joni> LOL
[19:26:24] <Jymmm> alex_joni: If you wnat to write the code for a CYMK painter, I'll try it
[19:26:41] <rayh> I'd volunteer to be the test target.
[19:26:55] <alex_joni> Jymmm: split the image in 4 channels, run each through jeplers image2gcode
[19:27:05] <alex_joni> and you're done
[19:27:14] <alex_joni> 4 passes on the part
[19:27:22] <Jymmm> alex_joni Ok, so we use an airbrush, but what about distance from target?
[19:27:33] <Jymmm> or even four airbrushes.
[19:27:35] <alex_joni> 3D stuff
[19:27:44] <alex_joni> you replace only the colour, same airbrush
[19:27:59] <Jymmm> icky... too many color changes
[19:28:02] <alex_joni> to keep it somehow sanely simple
[19:28:11] <alex_joni> or replace the airbrush, same position
[19:28:16] <Jymmm> I'd rather go with CYMK
[19:28:30] <alex_joni> CMYK, yes (that's why I said 4)
[19:28:46] <Jymmm> I was thinking four airbrushes mounted close together
[19:28:57] <Jymmm> maybe 45 degrees apart
[19:29:08] <Jymmm> if that makes sense
[19:29:19] <Jymmm> they are tiny lil things.
[19:29:34] <alex_joni> yes and no, you'll have problems with the directions you are spraying
[19:29:47] <rayh> We were thinking hexapod so we'd get rpw as well.
[19:29:57] <Jymmm> rayh rpw?
[19:30:03] <alex_joni> rotations of the head
[19:30:06] <Jymmm> ah
[19:30:07] <rayh> roll pitch and yaw
[19:30:12] <alex_joni> way
[19:30:24] <rayh> that way we could build up flowery s&*t.
[19:30:25] <Jymmm> is holy.
[19:30:34] <rayh> out of frosting.
[19:31:02] <Jymmm> Ok, so is this really doable?
[19:31:04] <rayh> we'd mix colors like they mix epoxy in a little spiraly plastic nozzle.
[19:31:12] <rayh> Sure.
[19:31:27] <Jymmm> solenoid on the airbrushes
[19:31:31] <alex_joni> Jymmm: anything is doable
[19:31:40] <Jymmm> alex_joni relaisitically/simplistically
[19:31:50] <alex_joni> depends on the results you're after
[19:32:15] <Jymmm> I'm not looking for finger painting
[19:32:29] <Jymmm> but I'm not trying to reproduce the Mona Lisa either.
[19:32:37] <ValarQ> no, thats my job
[19:32:39] <alex_joni> then probably yes
[19:32:41] <ValarQ> * ValarQ keeps painting
[19:32:57] <Jymmm> let me find a pic of what I had in mind....
[19:36:24] <Jymmm> Ok, like this --> http://archive.liveauctioneers.com/archive3/langsauction/9310/0269_1_lg.jpg
[19:37:20] <Jymmm> BTW... That sign went for $725
[19:38:25] <Jymmm> ok, bbiab... need to hit the pharmacy
[19:39:10] <juve> juve is now known as alex_joni_
[19:44:40] <les_w> WHEW done.
[19:45:08] <alex_joni> les_w: you seem to be still breathing.. that's a good sign
[19:45:48] <les_w> Yeah it went ok.
[19:45:52] <les_w> long
[19:46:15] <les_w> the money will still flow.
[19:47:02] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (gcode_tool_compensation.lyx gcode.lyx): added tool compensation description
[19:49:14] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: cleanup messages
[19:53:23] <alex_joni> les_w: too bad ;-)
[19:53:35] <alex_joni> that means you won't play with emc2 any time soon
[19:54:21] <les_w> I need too ....I need the enhanced cnc stuff for these things
[19:54:32] <alex_joni> oh, cool :)
[19:54:36] <les_w> only way is to schedule time
[19:54:47] <les_w> and tell someone no
[19:55:10] <les_w> I give these clients too much too fast
[19:55:21] <alex_joni> that's why you got so many
[19:55:39] <les_w> need time for improving the shop tooling etc
[19:56:58] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: added 2 more includes
[19:57:06] <les_w> I need the enhanced cnc with a new control card....I need to build the new electronics lab, enlarge the metalworking shop, etc
[19:57:33] <alex_joni> sounds like plenty of fun :)
[19:57:41] <alex_joni> I know what you need
[19:57:54] <alex_joni> 3-4 sons
[19:57:57] <les_w> I'm just getting addicted to billing those guys....
[19:57:59] <les_w> haha
[19:58:17] <les_w> I have one...not intrested in business
[19:58:26] <alex_joni> oh.. too bad
[19:58:34] <alex_joni> you need 3-4 that grow up there
[19:58:35] <alex_joni> :)
[19:58:40] <bill203> Mmmmmoney
[19:58:41] <les_w> off in a rock band somewhere
[19:58:47] <les_w> hi bill
[19:59:08] <alex_joni> if it ain't aerosmith or greater.. not worth it :)
[19:59:22] <les_w> yeah I like the money...but need some time for non paying things like improving infrastructure
[19:59:29] <bill203> howdy les.
[19:59:35] <les_w> will pay in the long run of course
[20:03:56] <les_w> I need like an "emc month"
[20:04:18] <cradek> how many hours from illinois are you?
[20:04:20] <alex_joni> les_w: how about hosting a fest?
[20:04:33] <les_w> sure
[20:04:45] <les_w> I was right by Roland a few weeks ago
[20:05:19] <les_w> but did not stop in
[20:05:31] <les_w> was awful busy on that trip
[20:05:48] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: enabled menu for tree
[20:08:41] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: copy from head
[20:10:33] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: clean up
[20:12:54] <jepler> cradek: does axis need to change to call halshow instead of the old name?
[20:13:06] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/ (tkemc.tcl mini.tcl): add halshow to menu
[20:13:07] <cradek> yes
[20:14:12] <SWPadnos> is emccalib in the axis menu?
[20:14:35] <cradek> yes
[20:14:38] <SWPadnos> ok
[20:18:11] <chinamill> whats the easy way when using c-gode to create a popup, pause -> I have to click ok (or something) to continue interpreting g-code.
[20:18:26] <cradek> (MSG,your message here)
[20:18:43] <cradek> maybe followed my m1? m2? whichever is pause
[20:18:46] <chinamill> ok, thanks
[20:18:52] <cradek> m0?
[20:19:18] <alex_joni> MZ
[20:32:07] <chinamill> MZ is what?
[20:32:35] <jepler> MZ must be a typo
[20:34:01] <alex_joni> sorry bout that..
[20:34:18] <alex_joni> MZ is usually the first 2 bytes inside an soze executable
[20:34:30] <jepler> soze
[20:34:30] <alex_joni> guess you had no way of knowing that
[20:34:35] <alex_joni> doze even
[20:34:37] <jepler> if it's a joke I don't get it
[20:34:51] <alex_joni> jepler: nm it
[20:35:19] <jepler> nm: it: No such file or directory
[20:39:43] <cradek> I agree, the file is installed as /usr/share/doc/emc2/help/tkemc.txt
[20:39:47] <cradek> oops
[20:56:48] <jepler> it's great to see the documentation getting worked on!
[21:00:27] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (hal_intro.lyx hal_tutorial.lyx): added chapters from the HAL book
[21:05:26] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/hexapod-sim/minitetra.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:26] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/demo_mazak/demo_mazak.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:26] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/demo_step_cl/demo_step_cl.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:26] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/etch-servo/etch.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (axis.ini mini.ini tkemc.ini): fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/max/max.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stepper/ (stepper_inch.ini stepper_mm.ini): fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/univstep/univstep.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:36] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/motenc/motenc.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:38] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stg/stg.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:40] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:42] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/stepper-xyza/inch.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:05:44] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/vti/vti.ini: fix tkemc's help path
[21:06:25] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/hal_tutorial.lyx: small fix to find an image
[21:14:40] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/User_GUI_Mini.lyx: some small fixes
[21:15:13] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: some more bringing things together
[21:30:39] <Jymmm> holy cow... $65 for 10 antobiotics!
[21:31:46] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: removed duplicate chapter
[21:49:47] <alex_joni> anyone cares for proofreading?
[21:49:59] <Jymmm> huh?
[21:49:59] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
[21:50:06] <Jymmm> oh
[21:50:24] <alex_joni> Jymmm: very preliminary version, but it's slowly getting there
[21:50:50] <Jymmm> alex_joni I had asked yesterday the purpose/goal, but nobody got back to me.
[21:51:10] <alex_joni> purpose/goal of what?
[21:51:25] <Jymmm> the NIST docs being rewritten.
[21:51:37] <alex_joni> I thought jepler answered that
[21:51:48] <alex_joni> to have them in lyx, to be able to export to pdf & html
[21:51:56] <alex_joni> and to include in other docs we write
[21:53:09] <Jymmm> See, everything emc related changes so much, I dont' see any goals/plans, etc. So I have nfc whats goin on or what will be. It be nice to have a clue or two.
[21:53:29] <Jymmm> It's mostly a free for all.
[21:53:47] <alex_joni> you mean something specific or in general?
[21:53:54] <Jymmm> general
[21:55:15] <alex_joni> well, if you mean development .. we usually discuss these things
[21:55:29] <Jymmm> Sincs I dont' code, it's difficult to get involved when there's no set direction.
[21:55:41] <Jymmm> a "game plan" if you will.
[21:55:47] <alex_joni> I mean when someone starts on something bigger, he usually asks if it makes sense
[21:55:58] <Jymmm> Yeah, a free for all.
[21:56:17] <alex_joni> right, and you can't really have it much different.. beeing OSS
[21:56:33] <Jymmm> Ha!
[21:57:19] <Jymmm> Just look at how much shit I got from everyone when I brought up the PASSED stuff. for two days too, and you were even indtigating as well.
[21:57:37] <alex_joni> I mean, people do this for fun, you can't really tell people what to do and what not to do
[21:57:59] <Jymmm> But you can give them direction.
[21:58:47] <alex_joni> if they ask for it, sure
[21:58:54] <rayh> I've been around emc for about 10 years
[21:58:59] <alex_joni> but the problem is .. who is 'you' ?
[21:59:02] <jepler> "PASSED stuff"?
[21:59:15] <alex_joni> jepler: CIA & build
[21:59:18] <rayh> and at best the goals and directions are a cloud a ways ahead of us.
[21:59:19] <jepler> oh
[21:59:44] <Jymmm> "you
[21:59:52] <Jymmm> "you" could the the board.
[22:00:02] <rayh> There was a lot of discussion and several conclusions during last year's week long session at NIST.
[22:00:06] <Jymmm> isn't that it's purpose?
[22:00:31] <alex_joni> Jymmm: seems some disagree :)
[22:00:39] <alex_joni> but I don't want to go there
[22:00:46] <rayh> That set of conclusions and a bit of the discussion is documented in the wiki.
[22:00:59] <alex_joni> otoh, if there are people out there who ask about directions or what to help / do, they always get an answer
[22:01:21] <Jymmm> rayh whats the short and sweet version of it?
[22:01:37] <rayh> EMC2 that you have available right now.
[22:01:41] <alex_joni> but usually there are very few, and most of the newbies who sign up for something, vanish in magic dust
[22:01:48] <rayh> That is the direction we promised last year.
[22:02:06] <rayh> And for the most part we have accomplished it.
[22:02:17] <rayh> although we lost at least one developer along the way.
[22:02:35] <rayh> as alex said, we are all doing this on our time.
[22:02:56] <rayh> and if a direction does not fit with our interests we just don't do it.
[22:03:17] <rayh> It's a bit like making it available to aunt tillie.
[22:03:26] <rayh> Not many developers are interested.
[22:04:27] <alex_joni> Jymmm: these days there are few enough developers, so that most have their own area of interest/expertese(sp) and they rarely overlap
[22:04:51] <rayh> phone brb
[22:06:15] <Jymmm> It doesn't have to be that way though. the board could get others involved, promote EMC devleopment. I can't imagine that there are only 100 ppl in the world that have a clue. the problem being no set direction as I see it. And this excuse of "we will work on what we want" is getting old (even if it is true).
[22:06:48] <Jymmm> </soapbox>
[22:07:02] <Jymmm> I better stop, I'm getting a bit frustrated.
[22:07:22] <Jymmm> how about them Lakers???
[22:15:05] <Jymmm> Anyone instrested in a technical whitepaper on the Light transmission and reflectance of acrylic?
[22:15:26] <alex_joni> not really
[22:15:59] <bill203> uhm
[22:16:19] <bill203> I'm interested in the triboelectric properties of arcrylic, is there one about that?
[22:16:53] <Jymmm> looking
[22:17:39] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:17:53] <Jymmm> G'night alex_joni
[22:19:21] <bill203> I want to make a van de graff generator, gotta pick materials for the rollers.
[22:21:26] <Jymmm> bill203: search for "electrical" http://cyro.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/cyro.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
[22:21:42] <Jymmm> lots of results turn up.
[22:22:34] <bill203> excellent.
[22:22:37] <bill203> thanks.
[22:23:26] <Jymmm> bill203: I have a hardcopy of the light thing, I never realized they had so many tech docs =)
[23:01:51] <PMinMO> hello
[23:41:11] <les_w> hi PminMO
[23:43:38] <jepler> hi PMinMO
[23:51:30] <A-L-P-H-A> [19:41:56] <les_w> hi PminMO
[23:51:30] <A-L-P-H-A> [19:44:23] <jepler> hi PMinMO
[23:57:58] <les_w> hi jeff and alpha. tough but ok day for me.
[23:59:31] <jepler> hi les
[23:59:56] <jepler> * jepler just paid his $100 for cnc workshop