#emc | Logs for 2006-05-02

[01:25:57] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: ignore commented hal linesemccalib.tcl
[01:55:58] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_ax5214h.c hal_parport.c): changes to support passing string parameters containing spaces to modules on kernel 2.6 - only modules needing such params are changed
[01:55:59] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi.h: changes to support passing string parameters containing spaces to modules on kernel 2.6 - only modules needing such params are changed
[02:15:39] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: added as5124, revised sim-encoder, other minor changes
[02:39:44] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx:
[02:39:44] <CIA-4> First pass at converting NIST RS274NGC document into lyx and removing the parts
[02:39:44] <CIA-4> that aren't relevant
[02:39:52] <jepler> somebody who knows lyx can berate me in the morning...
[02:40:08] <Jymmm> ?
[02:40:10] <cradek> hey cool
[02:40:26] <SWPadnos> man, you suck at lyx
[02:40:26] <cradek> that'll be great
[02:40:40] <SWPadnos> (hopefully, I can berate you now, because I know nothing about lyx ;) )
[02:40:50] <Jymmm> lynx, the text based browser?
[02:41:03] <SWPadnos> lyx, the text-based layout tool
[02:41:17] <Jymmm> laytex?
[02:42:52] <Jymmm> ok, found the website... it's a WP ?
[02:43:28] <Jymmm> reading...
[02:43:39] <jepler> conversions to html, pdf done by lyx: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/gcode.html http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/gcode.pdf
[02:43:53] <jepler> (the html translation in particular seems to stink .. is "havea" not the program I want lyx using?)
[02:44:00] <jepler> anyway, goodnight
[02:44:09] <SWPadnos> night. thanks for the start
[02:44:50] <Jymmm> jepler: Did you want me to find someone that uses lyx to berate you in the morning?
[02:45:00] <jepler> Jymmm: no, I know they're around
[02:45:05] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:45:16] <Jymmm> jepler: Okey dokey =) Have a g'night
[02:46:10] <Jymmm> "My, what huge margins you have grandma!"
[02:46:21] <Jymmm> s/grandma/jepler/
[02:47:03] <SWPadnos> s/*censored*/margins/
[02:47:19] <SWPadnos> err - the other way around
[02:47:26] <Jymmm> lol
[02:49:11] <jepler> it's a complete hatchet job of the NIST document so what it really needs is someone to read it and tell me what I missed or what I made incoherent in the process of cut & pasting it.
[02:49:27] <cradek> jepler: it looks like a great start
[02:49:36] <cradek> the html has a decent TOC
[02:50:18] <Jymmm> jepler: What's the purpose and goal of the revamp?
[02:50:37] <cradek> so we can update it
[02:51:05] <Jymmm> That doesn't tell me a thing that you couldn't do with the NIST version.
[02:51:59] <cradek> seems like the source for that version is long gone
[02:52:16] <cradek> and I think ray said was edited in some commercial program
[02:52:23] <cradek> it
[02:52:51] <Jymmm> You mean the original WP format file(s) are no longer?
[02:53:03] <Jymmm> (whatever format that was)
[02:54:53] <cradek> jepler: did you take out the canon stuff? I don't find ARC_FEED for instance
[02:55:15] <cradek> this is just about gcode I guess?
[02:58:14] <Jymmm> ok so what's going to be done with this?
[03:00:10] <Jymmm> cradek ?
[03:00:26] <CIA-4> 03swpadnos 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: Remove obsolete footnotes about module loading
[03:01:09] <Jymmm> ok, nm I asked.
[03:02:01] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget Tree::see and added here
[03:02:38] <Jymmm> * Jymmm returns to belt sander search!
[03:19:26] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget take 2
[03:32:04] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: modified bwidget take 2
[03:44:14] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: emptied halconfig
[03:45:02] <SWPadnos> now that's just silly
[03:45:40] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: remove halconfig menu
[03:45:53] <SWPadnos> getting sillier
[03:48:20] <rayh> didn't work
[03:48:39] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/mini.tcl: remove halconfig menu
[03:49:15] <rayh> those menu items would have caused errors
[03:56:00] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[04:30:44] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/Hal_Introduction.lyx: added remainder of ax5214 info, placeholders for m5i20, motenc, and ppmc
[04:34:17] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf: updated pdf
[04:35:34] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf: updated pdf
[04:37:51] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[05:30:31] <Jymmm> G'Night jmkasunich
[09:45:47] <Bo^Dick> does Eagle have simulation capabilities?
[09:55:02] <fenn> no
[10:16:10] <Bo^Dick> could someone suggest a hex buffer driver with an enable signal?
[10:16:22] <Bo^Dick> i guess such a device fits in a DIL16 package
[10:19:55] <Bo^Dick> i know about the 74HC14 device but it's a DIL14 device without the enable feature of course
[11:21:57] <alex_joni> 74HC265
[11:21:59] <alex_joni> err...
[11:22:02] <alex_joni> 74HC365
[11:29:18] <giacus> morning
[11:48:02] <Bo^Dick> thx
[11:53:43] <chinamill> Bo^Dick: ser du mitt privata meddelande?
[11:57:25] <Bo^Dick> chinamill: jorå
[12:08:31] <jepler> cradek: Yes, it's just a document about gcode, not the canon interface.
[12:11:34] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: copy page style from introduction.lyx
[12:23:48] <anonimasu> ah more sweden
[12:23:50] <anonimasu> swedes..
[12:27:31] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: mostly markup fixes, but also fix one of the O-code samples
[12:47:25] <SkunkWorks> logger_aj: bookmark
[12:47:25] <SkunkWorks> See
[12:49:02] <ValarQ> värst vad svenskar här är...
[12:49:20] <fenn> * fenn panics, and attempts to flee!
[12:49:33] <Bo^Dick> jaa, väldigt många
[12:51:16] <Bo^Dick> i've got a specific queation about Eagle. when using DIL16 logic gates packages with four gates in each... ...will the order they are used in the schematic follow the usage in the board layout
[12:51:57] <Bo^Dick> the reason why i wonder this is that the order i've used in the schematic might not be good for the layout in the end
[12:54:17] <SkunkWorks> Bo^Dick: whats your schematic looking like now?
[12:55:15] <Bo^Dick> it's not done yet but i have a schematics version of it, http://www.carmi.se/misterstarshine/img/design.gif
[12:55:47] <Bo^Dick> "schematics"=Microsim Schematics
[12:58:56] <jepler> Bo^Dick: you can use "gateswap" in eagle to change them around
[12:59:15] <jepler> Bo^Dick: if you do the schematic and the board both in eagle, that is
[12:59:24] <jepler> I think you have to invoke "gateswap" in the schematic
[12:59:49] <jepler> if they're on two different packages I don't think you can use "gateswap"
[13:00:06] <Bo^Dick> ok
[13:06:56] <Bo^Dick> sorry for asking a million question but one thing i really wanna know is what part is the complement to Microsim Schematics "bubble" in Eagle? i mean the part that interconnects wires "teleportation" style
[13:07:33] <jepler> sure
[13:07:45] <jepler> just "name" the two wires the same
[13:08:01] <jepler> if you want you can "label" them (creates a text which has the same name as the wire)
[13:08:15] <Bo^Dick> but i want some connector in the schematic not just a "loose" wire if you know what i mean
[13:08:33] <Bo^Dick> this was done with "bubble" in Microsim
[13:08:47] <jepler> and in the "frames" library there are some shapes for putting around those labels
[13:13:51] <Bo^Dick> in fact i'm not intended to change any net names. i'm only intrested in a schematic bubble that does not exist in reality
[13:14:03] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[13:15:18] <Bo^Dick> ...and it's still hard to find
[13:23:08] <Bo^Dick> is only seems to be there visually
[13:28:19] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[13:30:13] <les_w> morning and afternoon...
[13:30:32] <SWPadnos> hi Les. long time no see
[13:31:00] <les_w> aw, been working on emergency prototype...12 hr days
[13:31:07] <les_w> a bit stressed out
[13:31:29] <SWPadnos> heh. the other kind of stress
[13:31:37] <les_w> billing $7200 weeks is ok though
[13:31:50] <SWPadnos> I just lost a ~$850k project, so I have the other kind of stress
[13:31:53] <les_w> but I can't run at this speed much longer
[13:31:56] <les_w> need a break
[13:32:06] <anonimasu> hey
[13:32:11] <les_w> 850??? ulp
[13:32:16] <SWPadnos> yup
[13:32:17] <anonimasu> argh!!"#¤
[13:32:26] <les_w> hey anonimasu
[13:32:36] <anonimasu> hey
[13:32:43] <SWPadnos> hi anon
[13:32:45] <les_w> gonna jump off a cliff swp?
[13:32:59] <SWPadnos> nah - too much work to don on emc ;)
[13:33:02] <SWPadnos> do on
[13:33:08] <les_w> haha
[13:34:02] <les_w> I needed a break for breakfast....just broke a tap arg
[13:34:07] <les_w> got it out though
[13:34:12] <SWPadnos> bummer.
[13:34:16] <SWPadnos> need a tapmatic?
[13:34:23] <les_w> I asked for it...6-32 in 303l stainless
[13:34:44] <SWPadnos> I guess you have to ask very nicely for that
[13:35:10] <les_w> New engineering rule for me...never design in a 6-32 tapped hole in anything
[13:35:27] <les_w> they are unusually breakage prone
[13:35:28] <SWPadnos> one friend of mine absolutely hates 6-32
[13:35:33] <les_w> yeah
[13:35:34] <SWPadnos> for exactly that reason
[13:35:44] <les_w> 4-40 and 8-32 never break
[13:36:07] <SWPadnos> right. he'll tap steel at 8-32 with a cordless drill, but 6-32 just die
[13:36:38] <SWPadnos> I guess I should call and see if the new baby decided to jump out yet
[13:36:57] <les_w> ???whoa
[13:37:04] <les_w> expecting?
[13:37:11] <SWPadnos> his wife was due a couple of weeks ago
[13:37:16] <les_w> ahh
[13:37:20] <SWPadnos> but no baby as of a few days ago
[13:37:50] <les_w> ok...back to work for me
[13:37:54] <les_w> later!
[13:37:58] <SWPadnos> see a
[13:38:00] <SWPadnos> argh
[13:38:02] <SWPadnos> ya
[13:39:07] <rayh> sorry to hear bout the job loss SWPadnos
[13:39:16] <SWPadnos> thanks. it's a real bummer
[13:39:23] <SWPadnos> the digital camera - up in smoke
[13:39:36] <rayh> I guess. and you had a lot of time into that.
[13:39:45] <SWPadnos> yep, and about $30k
[13:39:57] <SWPadnos> at least that's equipment I can use for other jobs
[13:40:00] <rayh> ouch. that would do me in.
[13:40:21] <SWPadnos> I
[13:40:30] <SWPadnos> I'm lucky - I have high credit limits ;)
[13:40:55] <SWPadnos> at least I have the tools to make that tach for you though ;)
[13:41:11] <rayh> Great. The guy was asking the other day.
[13:41:13] <SWPadnos> first one: $30100, after that, $29 ;)
[13:41:26] <SWPadnos> think that would fly?
[13:41:29] <rayh> That works;)
[13:41:57] <SWPadnos> oh right - I need to get the FPGA dev board for that on order
[13:42:11] <SWPadnos> I think the first one will be a devkit, if that's OK
[13:42:20] <rayh> You bet.
[13:43:02] <SWPadnos> I think it'll fit in the chip on the $100 dev kit, but I'll have to see
[13:43:36] <SWPadnos> http://www.latticesemi.com/products/developmenthardware/cpldboards/machxostarterevaluationbo.cfm
[13:44:05] <SWPadnos> the 18V * 6 output is still a problem though
[13:44:48] <SWPadnos> though I may be able to do that with PWM and a resistor divider from a HV supply
[13:54:46] <rayh> Sounds like it should work. As long as the components on that part have enough headroom, the customer can supply the DC for that.
[13:55:08] <SWPadnos> I'd probably use a buffer of some sort in the prototyping area
[14:05:06] <cradek> morning guys
[14:05:11] <SWPadnos> hi there
[14:05:32] <SWPadnos> are you planning to make today's release earlier or later in the day?
[14:05:40] <cradek> I was thinking about doing it now
[14:05:44] <SWPadnos> ok.
[14:06:06] <SWPadnos> I was thinking of adding the canonical analog in/out interface to the Hal_intro document
[14:07:11] <cradek> I'm not in a hurry - were you wanting to do that now?
[14:08:22] <SWPadnos> kind of now-ish ;)
[14:08:32] <cradek> ok :-)
[14:08:33] <SWPadnos> it may be better to wait though. all or nothing is best
[14:08:37] <cradek> keep me posted
[14:08:42] <cradek> totally up to you
[14:08:50] <SWPadnos> ok
[14:09:16] <cradek> should I go ahead then? we can make another one tomorrow or whenever
[14:09:31] <cradek> I mostly just want to get dave-e his bugfix so he can test it
[14:09:37] <SWPadnos> yeah, I'd do that
[14:09:45] <cradek> ok
[14:09:51] <SWPadnos> I like to think about things a lot, so it could take a while ;)
[14:10:04] <cradek> me too
[14:11:25] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: remove debugging statement that prevented scripts/emc from running
[14:44:24] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: (log message trimmed)
[14:44:24] <CIA-4> bwidget has trouble dealing with "see" requests before the tree is fully laid
[14:44:24] <CIA-4> out. "wait_and_see" loops until the tree is viewable, and the "yview" command
[14:44:24] <CIA-4> returns two unequal indices. If not, it waits a variable length of time.
[14:44:24] <CIA-4> I tested this by selecting the top config, the last config that is
[14:44:25] <CIA-4> visible when the top line is visible, the next config, and the final config.
[14:44:29] <CIA-4> All were visible when preselected on the next run.
[14:45:23] <SWPadnos> does it correctly scroll partially visible entries when they're selected?
[14:54:29] <jepler> no -- if you click on a partially-visible item at the bottom it doesn't scroll to show it all
[14:54:35] <jepler> sigh
[14:55:01] <SWPadnos> I suspect there's a rounding issue in ::_see
[14:55:11] <SWPadnos> or in the yview itself
[14:56:55] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: default to previously-run config: copy of head v1.35
[15:00:49] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: When an item is clicked, scroll so it is fully visible
[15:01:51] <jepler> SWPadnos: It looks like there wasn't any code to make it scroll on a left-click .. maybe this "half visible" situation wasn't anticipated or something
[15:02:06] <SWPadnos> could be.
[15:02:26] <SWPadnos> I had tried the simple idea of adding a see command to node_clicked, but that didn't work
[15:03:43] <SWPadnos> hey - that's what you did
[15:04:10] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: scroll so clicked items are fully visible (1.36 merge from head)
[15:15:14] <SWPadnos> that last one works for me. thanks
[15:17:39] <cradek> I have a long pathname and it starts up scrolled to the right - I wonder if there's a way to make it scroll to the left instead
[15:31:07] <CIA-4> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
[15:31:07] <CIA-4> fix a crash when the last_ini is not in the tree
[15:31:07] <CIA-4> after preselecting a config, always show the left-hand side of the tree
[15:31:18] <cradek> yays
[15:32:30] <jepler> * jepler waits patiently for cradek to test & backport
[15:34:10] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: always scroll to the left: from head v1.36
[15:37:21] <cradek> looks great jeff
[15:38:42] <jepler> good
[15:38:59] <rayh> There was a problem with unwanted scrolling to the left on jmk's install.
[15:40:05] <jepler> hm .. I thought it was unwanted scrolling to the right
[15:40:40] <cradek> depends which way you think is left - the scrollbar goes one way and the list goes the other
[15:40:53] <cradek> rayh: are you talking about the left side of the list (the tree lines) not showing?
[15:41:10] <cradek> that's what I had and is now fixed
[15:41:31] <cradek> it
[15:41:42] <cradek> what happened to my ability to write a sentence?
[15:41:55] <rayh> ah that was exactly jmk's problem, I think.
[15:42:03] <cradek> ok great
[15:49:15] <rayh> Not the sentence writing, the display of the tree.
[15:49:42] <rayh> He is doing very well with the hal document.
[15:49:44] <cradek> right
[15:50:02] <cradek> yes I agree his documents do look good
[15:50:19] <SWPadnos> mr "oscilliscope" ;)
[15:50:32] <SWPadnos> it's a great doc, actually
[15:50:34] <cradek> that's a minor issue
[15:50:39] <SWPadnos> absolutely
[15:50:47] <cradek> but still funny
[15:51:01] <cradek> osillyscope
[15:51:19] <jepler> I just write "'scope" since I'm not sure of the first letters
[15:52:29] <SWPadnos> lots of people call them "sillyscopes"
[15:52:37] <SWPadnos> but they're generally non-technical people ;)
[16:28:03] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[16:29:04] <SkunkWorks> Jepler: have you tuned your servos any better?
[16:29:24] <jepler> SkunkWorks: no I've kinda forgotten about that project
[16:29:38] <SkunkWorks> :)
[16:29:45] <jepler> why do you ask?
[16:30:07] <SkunkWorks> Just wondering how it was running. (no feedback to the amp)
[16:30:14] <SkunkWorks> current or velocity
[16:30:36] <SkunkWorks> sort of one big outside feedback loop.
[16:31:13] <SkunkWorks> I have not had time to get any further on my project
[16:34:49] <SkunkWorks> I have all the parts. just need a little more time with eagle and the mill.
[16:57:03] <alex_joni> hello all
[17:02:11] <jepler> hi alex
[17:05:48] <alex_joni> hi jeff
[17:05:49] <SkunkWorks> alex_joni: did you change something in the formatting of your emc logs?
[17:05:55] <SkunkWorks> Hi alex :)
[17:05:56] <alex_joni> SkunkWorks: I changed the server
[17:06:01] <alex_joni> SkunkWorks: any problems?
[17:06:39] <SkunkWorks> odd - well yesterday views fine in the browser and todays is all garbled. ( line feed issues I assume)
[17:06:48] <SkunkWorks>
[17:06:49] <SkunkWorks> is fine
[17:06:57] <SkunkWorks>
[17:07:00] <SkunkWorks> is garbled
[17:07:28] <SkunkWorks> It comes up fine in word.
[17:07:32] <SkunkWorks> wordpad
[17:12:13] <alex_joni> looks ok here..
[17:12:16] <alex_joni> what browser?
[17:18:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> SkunkWorks: probably has a different cr (carrige return) symbol
[17:18:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> IIRC windows and *nix have differing cr symbols and that can cause issues
[17:19:30] <SkunkWorks> Am I still here?
[17:19:35] <SWP_Away> no
[17:20:14] <alex_joni> not really
[17:21:48] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: the cr didn't change from a day to the next
[17:22:29] <SkunkWorks> it is IE - sorry
[17:25:33] <SkunkWorks> comes up in notepad correctly. It is odd - I go from the 1st to the 2nd and it changes.
[17:26:16] <alex_joni> SkunkWorks: try Opera or Firefo
[17:26:20] <alex_joni> firefox
[17:26:24] <alex_joni> you'll never go back
[17:26:33] <alex_joni> http://videos.humpingfrog.com/14394/2006/04/amazing-bubble-magic.html <- this is cute
[17:29:46] <SWP_Away> alex - do you have the doctype set to plain/text or text/plain?
[17:30:03] <SWP_Away> not doctype, document type
[17:31:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: that was actually a rather cute video (although the codec was horrific)
[17:34:05] <alex_joni> SWP_Away: no idea.. let me see
[17:36:10] <alex_joni> any idea where I can check that?
[17:36:56] <SWP_Away> it should be in one of the apache config files
[17:37:52] <alex_joni> text/plain asc txt text diff pot
[17:37:58] <alex_joni> from /etc/mime.types
[17:38:24] <SWP_Away> is that used by apache, or for looking at files with file and the like?
[17:41:14] <alex_joni> it's also linked into the apache folder
[17:41:43] <alex_joni> /etc/apache/mime.types -> /etc/mime.types
[17:44:09] <SWP_Away> ok
[17:44:49] <SWP_Away> mozilla is now opening them in a new window
[17:45:33] <SWP_Away> it was opening new windows in a loop a little while ago, because I set plain/text to open with mozilla.exe, and text/plain as well.
[17:45:49] <SWP_Away> it saves a text file, then tries to open it, but it's a text file, so it spawns a new browser to handle that ...
[17:45:55] <alex_joni> ouch
[17:46:34] <SWP_Away> yeah - I had to be quick on the escape key to stopit
[17:46:38] <SWP_Away> stop it
[17:48:47] <Jymmm> Mornin Folks!
[17:48:56] <SWP_Away> afternoon
[17:49:00] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[17:50:48] <alex_joni> hmm... seems SF's CVS is still not 100% functional
[17:51:30] <alex_joni> in a few days it'll be two months
[17:52:44] <SWPadnos> good thing we don't need no steenking SF any more ;)
[17:53:15] <alex_joni> indeed so
[17:54:07] <SkunkWorks> I am still upset about you guys changing it.
[17:54:13] <SkunkWorks> ;)
[17:55:13] <alex_joni> SkunkWorks: that was really funny :)
[17:55:28] <alex_joni> may you end up in here: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi-files/01146513141/IMG_3148.JPG
[18:02:46] <SkunkWorks> that reminds me - I need to go and read the soaps. I mean the dev list. :)
[18:03:05] <SkunkWorks> ok - that was a little mean
[18:03:16] <bill203> but was it wrong?
[18:04:01] <Jymmm> SkunkWorks: "One Life to give", "General psychiatric hospital", "As the stomache turns"
[18:04:41] <bill203> http://photos.xmission.com/bill/v/machining/IMG_0281.JPG.html
[18:05:04] <bill203> I made one lead-screw-bearing-mount-stand-thingie.
[18:06:23] <Jymmm> bill203 what are you making?
[18:06:32] <bill203> a mill
[18:06:38] <bill203> or that's the plan anyway.
[18:07:06] <Jymmm> with the c channel frame?
[18:07:22] <bill203> yes
[18:07:28] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[18:07:37] <bill203> and some as yes undecided bracing.
[18:07:41] <bill203> as-yet
[18:09:46] <Jymmm> Oh, you painted datacenter racks
[18:10:28] <Jymmm> or are they annodized?
[18:10:59] <bill203> they came that way, I think it's just paint.
[18:11:13] <bill203> I got the rack at a local freight-damage place for $20
[18:11:32] <Jymmm> I know where to get shit loads of those... including the thick base plate... iirc $10/lb
[18:11:42] <bill203> nice.
[18:12:00] <bill203> I have the bases and everything, that's what the little 'feet' are from
[18:12:46] <Jymmm> the "feet" look like bent 1/4" or 3/8" bar
[18:13:12] <bill203> they're just thin pieces of the rack's base
[18:13:37] <Jymmm> The ones I'm talking about are beefy and I believe they go all the way across.
[18:13:56] <Jymmm> meant to be bolted tothe floor
[18:14:09] <bill203> yeah, that's what this rack has.
[18:14:25] <bill203> but I couldnt' use the base as-si since the rails for the table have to go there.
[18:14:35] <Jymmm> Ah, ok.
[18:15:13] <bill203> the rails: http://photos.xmission.com/bill/v/machining/IMG_0189.JPG.html
[18:15:44] <Jymmm> bill203 the place you go... are some of the pkgs like from fedex, ups, etc? or literally freight companies?
[18:16:03] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/VERSION: moving TESTING
[18:16:04] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: moving TESTING
[18:16:16] <Jymmm> Saw them... purrrrrty
[18:17:57] <CIA-4> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/VERSION: Done tagging
[18:18:14] <bill203> nothing is really marked, it's just wierd stuff that didnt' make it's way to its destination for some reason.
[18:18:22] <bill203> not actually damaged, just lost, I guess
[18:18:56] <bill203> thier site is http://www.npsstore.com/
[18:19:07] <Jymmm> Yeah, I was just going to try and find a place like it here, but I'd call fedex/ups and see what they do if you had seen any labels on stuff from them.
[18:19:56] <bill203> good idea.
[18:20:27] <bill203> I think its more like train-load and truck-load size stuff, usually they have at lease case or two of whatever.
[18:21:37] <Jymmm> ah, ok. Gives me a better idea. I SERIOUSLY doubt I'll find anything like that in this immediate area then. The cost of Real Estate is far too high to warehouse all that here.
[18:22:06] <bill203> this one is out in the industrial area of town, it's a bit of a drive.
[18:22:46] <Jymmm> Well, a POS 60yo home <900 sq on less than 1/8 acre goes for $600,000
[18:23:11] <Jymmm> so, more than likely I'd have to drive at least 80+ miles one way.
[18:23:30] <bill203> what are you looking for?
[18:23:57] <Jymmm> just stuff, nothing specific. Quality dumpster diving =)
[18:24:21] <Jymmm> Ever since the dot bomb the surplus stores here have nada.
[18:24:23] <bill203> yeah, that's why I go, kind of like a really good garage sale. :-)
[18:25:38] <Jymmm> I hit the flea market this weekend... Picked up a brand new, never used, mini saw for $12 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46379
[18:25:48] <Jymmm> box and all
[18:26:01] <bill203> score
[18:26:27] <Jymmm> The only one this year, I'm afraid =(
[18:27:30] <Jymmm> I miss SoCal... I could find bargins all the time!
[18:28:49] <Jymmm> oh then hot the docks... straight off the boat!
[18:28:55] <Jymmm> s/hot/hit/
[18:29:13] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/compiling.lyx: moved the emc2 specific stuff in here, and I added it first, before removing documents/lyx/EMC2_Compile.lyx, so that SWP would be happy
[18:29:51] <Jymmm> alex_joni: gawd your so cynical lately
[18:30:05] <jepler> alex_joni: hey, speaking of lyx, what's the tool to use for lyx->html conversion?
[18:30:26] <jepler> alex_joni: I tried hevea, tth, and latex2html all on my ubuntu, and they all sucked pretty hard.
[18:30:38] <alex_joni> jepler: there are some exports.. but I never tried them more than once
[18:31:35] <alex_joni> if that much..
[18:31:36] <jepler> alex_joni: I'd rather browse html documentation than pdf
[18:31:59] <jepler> html: click, read
[18:32:03] <alex_joni> I've quickly scanned the html you exported.. what's wrong with it?
[18:32:07] <jepler> pdf: click, wait wait wait, read
[18:32:15] <alex_joni> wait wait wait?
[18:32:36] <jepler> yeah .. it takes seconds and second to launch acroread or evince
[18:32:48] <alex_joni> oh, right
[18:32:52] <Jymmm> jepler: I know it begins with an h
[18:33:08] <jepler> The HTML I put online is from hevea, and among the bigger problems are that it doesn't have a TITLE in the html
[18:33:16] <jepler> the code samples are double spaced
[18:33:39] <jepler> and I'd rather have fewer levels of index, but that's probably a matter of taste
[18:34:11] <alex_joni> it doesn't look that bad to me..
[18:35:05] <Jymmm> jepler: Nothing that editing the CSS couldn't resolve
[18:35:33] <Jymmm> jepler: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/
[18:35:37] <jepler> this is pretty hard to fix with CSS:
[18:35:37] <jepler> <BR>
[18:35:37] <jepler> <BR>
[18:35:37] <jepler> F100<BR>
[18:35:38] <jepler> <BR>
[18:37:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni agrees
[18:38:00] <alex_joni> hard to fix..
[18:39:44] <jepler> hm, it looks like the hevea-generated anchors are fragile: they're simply numbered #htoc1 #htoc2 etc. so if I re-order sections, any links-with-anchors people have made will be wrong
[18:40:49] <alex_joni> reorder inside lyx?
[18:41:23] <jepler> right
[18:41:41] <alex_joni> I see..
[18:41:57] <jepler> for instance, if I inserted a new subsection under 1.1, all the successive anchors (including those inside 1.2, 2, etc) would point to something else
[18:42:45] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: tuning from halconfig, needs multiple reads of ini file yet.
[18:43:11] <Jymmm> jepler and lyx won't automatically renumber everything?
[18:44:50] <Jymmm> It would be kinda useless if it didn't imo.
[18:45:01] <jepler> Jymmm: The cross-references inside any one version of the document will already be correct.
[18:45:13] <SWPadnos> but external web links won't be
[18:45:20] <SWPadnos> links to parts of the doc
[18:45:42] <Jymmm> they're not relative links?
[18:45:52] <SWPadnos> it would make more sense to have named links, like bigfatdoc#G21
[18:46:05] <jepler> Jymmm: But I'm saying, if somebody wants to bookmark "Chapter 3 G Codes" (which is gcode.html#htoc50) that bookmark will be wrong once I insert a new section which ends up numbered 1.3.
[18:46:24] <jepler> because #htoc50 refers to "the 50th chapter, section, subsection or subsubsection from the beginning"
[18:46:25] <cradek> new emc2, emc2-dev packages in the ubuntu emc2 repository
[18:46:42] <Jymmm> jepler I understand, but if you update a document, you have to expect things to be changed.
[18:47:21] <Jymmm> jepler sucks, but unless you have a way to change the naming conventions your stuck.
[18:47:33] <jepler> yes I'm sure there's nothing 100% foolproof, but for instance using the anchor #chapter-g-codes (something based on the title) might be better.
[18:47:55] <jepler> Since it's just software clearly it's possible to change it
[18:48:12] <jepler> but I'm disappointed the default (or maybe the only thing already implemented) is so fragile
[18:48:28] <Jymmm> jepler Is this hardcoded functionality in lyx or something a pref file can change?
[18:49:18] <jepler> Jymmm: It's entirely up to the software that converts latex to html, which in this case is called "hevea". (it seemed less bad than the two alternatives, latex2html and tth)
[18:50:05] <Jymmm> jepler: Ah, ok. html for layout aint the best of things =) How is the PDF links?
[18:50:21] <jepler> Jymmm: scroll back a bit, you'll find me saying that I prefer HTML to PDF
[18:50:25] <jepler> Jymmm: This isn't about PDF
[18:50:41] <jepler> I think PDF is french for "damned paper format"
[18:50:44] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, the default pdf export doesn't seem to generate links within the document
[18:50:58] <SWPadnos> not a useful table of contents (bookmarks or thumbnails)
[18:51:01] <SWPadnos> nor
[18:51:02] <Jymmm> jepler: Yes Dear... I was asking if the PDF has the same issues
[18:51:09] <jepler> Jymmm: SWPadnos has your answer
[18:51:18] <SWPadnos> pdf doesn't have those issues, since it doesn't do internal linking ;)
[18:51:20] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[18:51:24] <SWPadnos> by default, at least
[18:51:32] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure if it's possible, but I bet it is
[18:51:52] <Jymmm> Um, who decided to use lyx in the first placeout of curiosity?
[18:52:31] <SWPadnos> don't go there
[18:52:39] <cradek> the board I assume
[18:52:49] <SWPadnos> since the dawn of time ...
[18:53:00] <SWPadnos> Man has used Lyx for document creation
[18:53:03] <cradek> there aren't many good choices
[18:54:05] <alex_joni> lyx is pretty decent
[18:54:05] <SWPadnos> isn't there a simple way in tcl to check to see if a variable exists (or has a value)?
[18:54:14] <jepler> SWPadnos: yes. [info exists]
[18:54:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is used with worse
[18:54:18] <SWPadnos> argh
[18:54:24] <jepler> "exists" and "has a value" mean the same thing
[18:54:28] <SWPadnos> I knew I had seen "exists" somewhere. thanks
[18:57:02] <alex_joni> I used that to check for $ENV(foo)
[19:36:18] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: Show and watch parts of halconfig.halshow.tcl
[19:44:00] <CIA-4> 03rayh 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/ (mini.tcl tkemc.tcl): added halshow to menus
[20:03:38] <giacus> hello
[20:03:40] <ValarQ> hiya
[20:05:28] <giacus> uhm
[20:05:49] <giacus> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html
[20:07:08] <ValarQ> yeah, i read that :)
[20:07:48] <ValarQ> great guy that rms
[20:08:38] <giacus> I'm reading the article right now ..
[20:09:46] <giacus> how is going there ? all right ?
[20:11:49] <ValarQ> what going?
[20:12:58] <giacus> the things
[20:13:12] <alex_joni> what things?
[20:13:18] <alex_joni> and where are the things going to?
[20:13:19] <giacus> were you working on fpga ?
[20:13:28] <giacus> hehe
[20:13:42] <giacus> alex_joni: no news yet here ..
[20:13:54] <giacus> Ihave to wait few days yet
[20:13:55] <alex_joni> giacus: no hurry ;)
[20:13:59] <giacus> K
[20:14:14] <giacus> looking for a house ..
[20:14:20] <ValarQ> alex_joni: learned our great language yet? :)
[20:14:31] <alex_joni> ValarQ: sure.. I know skit
[20:14:38] <ValarQ> hehe
[20:14:43] <giacus> :D
[20:14:47] <ValarQ> you will get far with that :)
[20:15:49] <alex_joni> skitgott
[20:15:55] <alex_joni> or soemthing like that
[20:16:34] <anonimasu> lol
[20:16:42] <giacus> hey anonimasu !
[20:16:59] <ValarQ> "välsmakande som avföring" is the phrase
[20:17:01] <giacus> all ok ?
[20:17:14] <giacus> where you've been ?
[20:17:32] <giacus> lot of time I done see you around here
[20:17:41] <giacus> don't
[20:17:41] <anonimasu> "good as shit"
[20:17:49] <anonimasu> vacation
[20:17:53] <giacus> nice
[20:18:07] <giacus> my vacation is going to end ..
[20:18:10] <giacus> tomorrow
[20:18:14] <anonimasu> :/
[20:18:24] <giacus> not bad
[20:18:32] <anonimasu> mine ended today
[20:18:32] <anonimasu> :)
[20:18:35] <anonimasu> it's really nice
[20:18:49] <giacus> I'm in naples since 15 april
[20:18:55] <anonimasu> 10 hours of work :)
[20:19:46] <giacus> alredy seen cradek's lathe video ?
[20:19:54] <anonimasu> no
[20:19:55] <anonimasu> where can I get it?
[20:20:08] <giacus> I should have it in the mail ..
[20:20:19] <anonimasu> can you forward it to me?
[20:20:40] <giacus> looking to find the mail
[20:20:56] <giacus> the video should be online yet
[20:21:08] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6186.jpg
[20:21:08] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6185.mov
[20:21:15] <alex_joni> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/nut-test.jpg
[20:22:06] <anonimasu> sweet
[20:22:30] <giacus> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/dscn6186.jpg
[20:22:33] <giacus> right
[20:23:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ValarQ: jag misstänker att du kan Svenska?
[20:23:21] <anonimasu> hm more swedes :)
[20:23:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ValarQ: (translated) I would beleive that you speak swedish?
[20:23:49] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: indeed i do, i have listened to "Mastering Swedish" :)
[20:24:02] <SWPadnos> bork bork bork
[20:24:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, non native?
[20:24:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hurdy burdy boo bork bork bork
[20:24:36] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: nope, Smålänning actually
[20:25:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if you're from småland then wouldn't that make you a native?
[20:25:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> How many Swedish people are there here anyway?
[20:25:34] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: q: "non native?" a: "nope"
[20:25:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seems like there are very many
[20:25:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah, double negative
[20:25:53] <SWPadnos> 2, apparently ;)
[20:25:56] <ValarQ> they can be tricky :)
[20:25:57] <anonimasu> 3
[20:26:01] <SWPadnos> ah
[20:26:08] <SWPadnos> they're multiplying
[20:26:08] <anonimasu> or no, 4
[20:26:10] <SWPadnos> or adding
[20:26:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> AFAIK chinamill is, and I think BO^DICK is too
[20:26:16] <anonimasu> bo-dick..
[20:26:20] <ValarQ> and alex_joni is in skåne way to often ;)
[20:26:28] <SWPadnos> ah yes - that could be
[20:26:35] <anonimasu> bo-dick, chinamill, valarq, Lerneaen_Hydra
[20:26:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is he in sweden?
[20:26:39] <anonimasu> and me..
[20:26:40] <anonimasu> :)
[20:26:42] <anonimasu> romania..
[20:26:45] <SWPadnos> not alex
[20:26:47] <anonimasu> 5
[20:26:51] <anonimasu> damn :)
[20:26:57] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: he visited skåne a couple of times :)
[20:26:58] <anonimasu> we can soon have a fest for ourselves..
[20:27:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> mutipling, like rabbits
[20:27:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes
[20:27:07] <SWPadnos> wow - that's probably the largest contingent except from the US
[20:27:10] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: where in sweden do you live?
[20:27:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> gothenburg
[20:27:21] <SWPadnos> maybe more Canadians, but I don't think so
[20:27:31] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: ok, here in the south then :)
[20:27:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you live in småland?
[20:27:51] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: yeah, 20km north of Kalmar
[20:27:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah, ok
[20:28:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what about anonimasu and BO^DICK? (IIRC chinamill was from somewhere around GBG)
[20:29:16] <alex_joni> ValarQ: only once so far
[20:29:18] <anonimasu> I'm from the very north..
[20:29:22] <anonimasu> nearby luleå..
[20:29:25] <alex_joni> but I barely missed another trip the last few days
[20:29:32] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ok, i thought you did a revisit as well
[20:29:48] <alex_joni> not yet
[20:30:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> luleå, well well, that's real far up. I know a few people from LTU
[20:30:37] <ValarQ> alex_joni: btw, i got some problems with freezes when starting emc2 on a specific machine
[20:30:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> they seemed to find gothenburg tropical
[20:30:46] <anonimasu> heh
[20:30:52] <ValarQ> alex_joni: anything you heard of before?
[20:31:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *glances at the clock* oh my. I had better go to bed now, I have to get up early tomorrow (06:00am-ish)
[20:31:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bye
[20:31:57] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: with our high humidity most lapplänningar actually find it colder here
[20:32:11] <ValarQ> Lerneaen_Hydra: g'dnite
[20:32:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, thats true, the winters are at least low in humudity up there
[20:32:24] <anonimasu> I should head to bed too
[20:32:45] <anonimasu> night guys
[20:33:08] <giacus> goodnight anonimasu
[20:33:20] <alex_joni> ValarQ: recent emc2?
[20:33:26] <ValarQ> alex_joni: pretty recent
[20:33:33] <alex_joni> what kind of HW?
[20:33:47] <ValarQ> alex_joni: month old -rTESTING repo
[20:33:57] <ValarQ> alex_joni: intel coppermine
[20:34:02] <alex_joni> get a more recent one
[20:34:07] <alex_joni> does it freeze on any config?
[20:34:10] <alex_joni> try the sim one
[20:34:16] <alex_joni> or sim-servo
[20:35:19] <ValarQ> ok, the funny is that it starts about 50% of the times
[20:35:26] <ValarQ> and then it runs just fine
[20:36:09] <alex_joni> sounds like some memory problems
[20:36:12] <alex_joni> how much ram?
[20:36:16] <K4ts> hello
[20:36:21] <alex_joni> hi K4ts
[20:36:57] <ValarQ> alex_joni: should be enough if emc2 doesn't eat to much
[20:37:23] <ValarQ> alex_joni: 256MB or 512MB and i run a stripped down debian system
[20:39:27] <ValarQ> is there any way to debug such freezes?
[20:40:16] <alex_joni> ValarQ: only system log or dmesg
[20:40:27] <alex_joni> I expect they are hard freezes
[20:40:32] <alex_joni> mouse stops moving, etc
[20:40:35] <ValarQ> yeah, so do i :(
[20:40:50] <ValarQ> well, i'll make an update and keep testing
[20:41:21] <ValarQ> btw, heard the latest mastering swedish lesson? :)
[20:41:32] <alex_joni> not tonight ;)
[20:41:52] <giacus> could be a defective ram bank or video card too
[20:42:00] <giacus> maybe more video card ..
[20:42:13] <giacus> I had some issue like that in the past
[20:42:20] <giacus> check the agp slot too
[20:42:51] <ValarQ> the 5:th lesson is great :)
[20:43:55] <ValarQ> "Ball balbil för far for förbi fyr och får för fort" = "Cool ball car for father went by a lighthouse and sheep too fast"
[20:48:05] <SWPadnos> have you seen the Funny Boys' skit about "Irish as a second language"
[21:23:20] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. In about 8.5 hours, we'll be rehubbing our European servers ( http://freenode.net/news.shtml ). This will affect all of our users; it'll be pretty noisy. It should be finished very quickly, though.
[21:23:40] <lilo> [Global Notice] Thanks in advance for your patience and support, and thank you for using freenode. Have a great night!
[21:32:53] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[21:46:45] <giacus> * giacus another album uploaded http://www.giacus.org/photo/famiglia/1maggio06/index.html
[21:47:06] <giacus> with a bit of luck I got a great photo in the acquarium :P
[21:47:21] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/photo/famiglia/1maggio06/img014.jpeg
[21:47:29] <giacus> this is really cool :D
[21:48:10] <giacus> K4ts: got no good photos with her camera ..
[21:48:12] <alex_joni> giacus: photos start to look way nicer ;)
[21:48:27] <giacus> but she used the camera in automatic mode
[21:49:10] <giacus> alex_joni: yeah.. very difficult to get nice photos there, with the glass
[21:49:28] <alex_joni> giacus: I know ;)
[21:49:30] <giacus> maybe I'm learning something :P
[21:49:38] <alex_joni> we are always learning :)
[21:49:53] <giacus> I turn off the flash and set focus manually
[21:50:09] <giacus> 30% of photos I shot are ok
[21:50:17] <giacus> others are very bad :(
[21:50:34] <alex_joni> 10-15% good pictures is a high rate :D
[21:50:42] <giacus> haha :P
[21:50:58] <alex_joni> sometimes it is about luck
[21:51:04] <alex_joni> catching the right thing in the picture
[21:51:14] <alex_joni> besides composition & lightning & ...
[21:51:22] <giacus> yeah
[21:52:05] <alex_joni> I like this one: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi-files/01146513141/IMG_3000.JPG
[21:52:45] <alex_joni> "That much did God love the world"
[21:53:07] <giacus> really nice, yeah
[22:09:11] <CIA-4> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/ (Master_User.lyx installing.lyx): some more docs, initial version
[22:14:22] <giacus> K4ts: this yours is cool http://www.giacus.org/photo/vacanze/floridiana/img014.jpeg.html :P
[22:15:26] <giacus> with solar light there's nothing to compare with my compact camera..
[22:15:53] <giacus> nikon its a great camera
[22:27:58] <K4ts> night
[22:32:25] <alex_joni> g'night all
[22:33:38] <giacus> goodnight alex_joni
[22:52:15] <giacus> night