#emc | Logs for 2006-04-01

[00:17:25] <giacus> night
[04:09:59] <fenn_shop> ho hum
[04:10:44] <fenn_shop> so i've got this here laptop with no cd drive, usb, and my redhat boot disk with pcmcia drivers doesnt work..
[04:11:31] <cradek> what redhat?
[04:11:42] <fenn_shop> i've tried hooking the laptop hard drive up to a real computer but it won't boot?
[04:11:52] <fenn_shop> 7.3 i think
[04:12:07] <fenn_shop> er, sorry that didnt make sense
[04:12:11] <cradek> you mean you want to boot the laptop from floppy and install over the net?
[04:12:24] <fenn_shop> yes
[04:12:34] <fenn_shop> but i need to load the pcmcia ethernet drivers from a floppy
[04:12:35] <cradek> I've done that with redhat 7.x and 9
[04:12:43] <fenn_shop> yeah that's how i installed linux on it before
[04:12:50] <fenn_shop> but it seems the linux HD is having troubles
[04:12:51] <cradek> I think there's an extra floppy with pcmcia on it
[04:13:16] <cradek> oh so you have that floppy too
[04:13:20] <fenn_shop> yes
[04:13:23] <fenn_shop> but they're toast
[04:13:29] <fenn_shop> you know how floppies go bad after a couple years
[04:13:32] <cradek> sure
[04:13:37] <cradek> just make new ones
[04:13:43] <fenn_shop> hmm
[04:13:45] <cradek> if you're installing over the internet, use redhat 9
[04:13:57] <cradek> or a newer fedora I guess
[04:13:57] <fenn_shop> i wanted to put puppy on it and be done with it
[04:14:03] <fenn_shop> its really slow
[04:14:12] <cradek> that'll be tough without a cd.
[04:14:29] <cradek> ubuntu without gnome works pretty well on slow machines
[04:14:44] <fenn_shop> the idea was to boot off puppy in a real computer and hook the laptop HD to the IDE bus
[04:14:46] <cradek> or freebsd 4 if you don't need emc
[04:15:11] <cradek> ah
[04:15:15] <fenn_shop> i have this adapter thingy, but its not working..?
[04:15:21] <cradek> I don't know about laptop drives
[04:15:53] <cradek> it's too old to boot from usb stick I'm sure
[04:17:08] <fenn_shop> * fenn_shop tries again
[04:37:33] <fenn_shop> hmm it seems to be computer malfunction day today
[04:40:23] <Jymmm> He needs to check the jumpers on the lt hdd.
[04:40:42] <Jymmm> It's either setup as single master or cable select.
[04:40:47] <Jymmm> (usually)
[07:47:17] <chinamill> Hello everyone
[07:48:41] <chinamill> A little feed back on the torch height control: The Campel design is not HF(/HV) proof, but they said they would adapt one board if I buy one; I will investigate more.
[08:23:22] <anonimasu> hm
[08:23:26] <anonimasu> morning
[08:25:13] <Jymmm> Mornin anonimasu
[08:25:17] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[08:26:12] <chinamill> morning/good night
[12:27:22] <K4ts> hello
[14:37:04] <jepler> I was working on tuning etch servo last night. I was able to find some PID values that work better than the defaults, but when I turn on backlash compensation I still get terrible ringing in ferror at the beginning of a move that changes direction.
[14:38:30] <jepler> How can I tune the PID loops to these two very different things: movement under normal acceleration, and movement induced by backlash compensation?
[15:00:33] <chinamill> I guess you are talking about emc2?
[15:06:56] <cradek> yes he is
[15:24:49] <anonimasu> hm
[15:24:56] <anonimasu> there was this guy from sweden that has the same problem
[15:25:04] <anonimasu> he had 0.2mm of backslash..
[15:25:16] <anonimasu> and he got a sync error when it compensated
[15:32:08] <Jymmm> brass doens't oxide, does it?
[15:33:48] <Jymmm> I'm trying to figure out what/how to make a electric tool setter... was thinking brass becasue all those lil weight sets use it.
[15:34:58] <jepler> anonimasu: My ferror and min_ferror are such that I don't get a following error, but it still looks bad in halscope
[15:35:12] <anonimasu> yeah, but emc errord out on him
[15:35:24] <anonimasu> I gave him a pointer to how to preload screws.. :)
[15:35:38] <chinamill> anon: I think it is me you think of... It got better whem raisen STEPGEN_MAXVEL, STEPGEN_MAXACCEL alot about 80 %
[15:35:44] <anonimasu> as I have no clue about a "sync" error
[15:35:50] <anonimasu> nope
[15:36:14] <chinamill> But this was a while ago... I think somethings has changed in the cadobasis
[15:36:28] <anonimasu> it was 2 nights ago
[16:00:18] <jepler> did you raise STEPGEN_MAXxxx because of followin errors while jogging, or while running programs?
[16:00:25] <rayh> logger_aj, bookmark
[16:00:25] <rayh> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-04-01#T16-00-25
[16:07:45] <chinamill> while jogging and running programs
[16:08:30] <dmessier> whoo hoo... we got the v22 osprey's nose landing gear to mfg..
[16:08:46] <dmessier> 9 components
[16:09:10] <jepler> chinamill: If you have a program that requires 80% headroom in STEPGEN_MAX* with the latest TESTING version, please e-mail it to me (jepler@unpy.net) along with your configuration files.
[16:10:03] <dmessier> 2 are the GROSSEs components ive ever see
[16:11:13] <dmessier> steering collar has sections down to .150 wall thicness... whit 2 quadrant gears on the top
[16:12:14] <dmessier> mat'l is "super hi-tuff"
[16:13:12] <chinamill> jepler: this was maybe 3 months ago... I finaly went back to emc1 on the "chinamill"
[16:13:48] <jepler> chinamill: ah -- it's changed a lot in 3 months, the new planner is much better at not violating the acceleration and velocity constraints.
[16:15:39] <chinamill> Still, my other project get ferrors very easaly on the Z axis... (I have set the speed quite low now=no ferrors)
[16:16:48] <chinamill> (ferrors while jogging)
[16:17:21] <jepler> the recent TP enhancements didn't improve the situation with jogging. There's still "headroom" required there.
[16:17:36] <jepler> The same is probably true of systems with backlash
[16:17:53] <jepler> both of those things are outside the control of the trajectory planner
[16:19:06] <dmessier> Jepler .. is it my understanding that JOG is at 1 speed only and NOT variable??
[16:20:42] <jepler> dmessier: In AXIS, you can alter the jog speed by moving the "feed override" slider. In tkemc you can use the "Axis Speed" slider as well.
[16:20:52] <jepler> dmessier: and of course you can select a jog increment, but that doesn't affect the speed.
[16:21:17] <dmessier> ok.. then how does Jog need so much more headroom?
[16:21:48] <jepler> I think that in particular jogging doesn't respect acceleration limits
[16:22:00] <cradek> hi guys
[16:22:09] <jepler> but I'm not sure, and I don't think anybody's looked at it.
[16:22:15] <dmessier> ther should be an S-type accel/decell in the jog cycle
[16:22:16] <cradek> jogging does honor all limits but you need 5-10% headroom
[16:22:47] <cradek> actually 5% should do it, as that's what TP uses
[16:23:21] <dmessier> i figured TP would still be "handling " the jog
[16:23:32] <jepler> chinamill was talking about 80% but that's in emc2 from 3 months ago
[16:24:01] <cradek> dmessier: the TP handles MDI but jog goes through a simpler path
[16:24:22] <cradek> jepler: not surprising, the old planner would sometimes violate accel by 100%
[16:24:43] <dmessier> with NO velocity constraints??
[16:24:59] <anonimasu> :D
[16:25:01] <cradek> dmessier: like I said earlier, jogging respects constraints but needs 5% headroom
[16:25:26] <dmessier> a jog move is only a predetermined mdi command
[16:25:47] <dmessier> or should be handled as such
[16:26:02] <cradek> dmessier: conceptually, yes, but that's not the way it's written.
[16:26:08] <anonimasu> hm
[16:26:12] <dmessier> if tp handle mdi it sholud do the same to a JOG
[16:26:37] <cradek> it's not quite that simple.
[16:26:45] <dmessier> it could be
[16:26:58] <chinamill> Still I get Z ferrors with quite moderate speed... and I tested alot of headroom (and other ways)
[16:27:09] <jepler> Unlike any mdi command, a jog goes for an unknown distance
[16:27:10] <dmessier> change the jog button to a macro and go
[16:27:12] <jepler> (a continuous-mode jog)
[16:27:24] <cradek> yes there's no MDI command that says move until I release a button
[16:27:43] <cradek> chinamill: if your emc2 is months old, you should update it
[16:27:49] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[16:27:57] <dmessier> but a continuos loop would till i hit the other button
[16:28:05] <chinamill> I cant have maxvel (Z) greater than 6 (metric setup)
[16:28:24] <chinamill> This one is the latest...
[16:28:34] <chinamill> It is another setup
[16:29:00] <chinamill> (latest deb pack)
[16:29:15] <anonimasu> hmare thoose changes in the deb yet?
[16:29:38] <cradek> yes
[16:29:45] <cradek> chinamill: this is steppers?
[16:29:52] <chinamill> yep
[16:30:07] <cradek> what's your base period?
[16:30:14] <jepler> the package version is TESTING-2006-03-12 ?
[16:30:18] <chinamill> yep
[16:30:27] <cradek> maybe you are requesting a velocity not possible with your period and scale
[16:30:55] <chinamill> Before I continue I have to admit that I made a small sinn when I updated the package...
[16:32:03] <chinamill> the dkpg wanted to overwrite my ini so I backed it up and then I replaced it without closely looking at the diffs
[16:32:36] <cradek> chinamill: you should not modify the sample configs - you should make your own in your home directory
[16:32:50] <cradek> but I doubt this is the problem
[16:33:08] <chinamill> shame on me ;)
[16:33:32] <chinamill> Ill look for that baseperiod
[16:33:57] <cradek> halcmd will tell you if your requested velocity is not possible
[16:34:16] <cradek> I can't run emc right now, maybe one of these other guys can help you
[16:34:29] <chinamill> ok.. never used that for that...
[16:35:11] <chinamill> This it not a big issue for me... rather for a general knowledge for the future...
[16:35:44] <cradek> if it's a bug we'd like to know, but I think it is probably just a configuration problem
[16:35:58] <jepler> I think this is the command chris is talking about (type it in a terminal window):
[16:35:59] <jepler> halcmd show param stepgen | grep maxvel
[16:36:13] <cradek> yes that
[16:36:22] <cradek> compare those values to the requested maxvels in the ini
[16:36:26] <chinamill> Then we need to write some wikipages on how to configure properly.
[16:37:04] <chinamill> the baseperiod is 0.000050
[16:37:06] <cradek> yes, I agree, it would be great if you could help
[16:37:06] <jepler> if it shows a lower value than you wrote for STEPGEN_MAXVEL in the ini, it's because your PERIOD is too long to actually issue enough step pulses
[16:38:36] <chinamill> I have not loaded the realtime kernel at the moment so I guess I cant rumm the commands, right?
[16:38:46] <cradek> run it after you start emc
[16:39:05] <cradek> I have to go, I'll be back later
[16:39:15] <chinamill> I cannot run emc without realtime kernel loaded, right?
[16:39:32] <chinamill> su
[16:39:40] <jepler> no
[16:39:41] <chinamill> see you!
[16:42:17] <anonimasu> *compiles qeumu*
[16:42:44] <anonimasu> going to try to get emc running emulated..
[16:43:01] <Jymmm> what do you mean "TRY" ?
[16:43:37] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I'm half on my way to the sofa
[16:43:45] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[16:43:49] <anonimasu> I missed about 3 hours of sleep last night..
[16:43:52] <anonimasu> I am not trying for too long ;)
[16:44:10] <anonimasu> need to make space on the usb drive first
[16:44:17] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is scared to put stuff on the hdd...
[16:44:25] <Jymmm> ?
[16:44:25] <anonimasu> windows ate my windows partition
[16:44:29] <anonimasu> a bit ago..
[16:44:30] <Jymmm> oh ,heh
[16:44:40] <anonimasu> wait a moment I'll give you the message it gave
[16:45:20] <anonimasu> UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME
[16:45:47] <anonimasu> bbl
[16:45:47] <anonimasu> rest
[16:45:55] <Jymmm> Did you install/upgrade nix after installing M$ ?
[16:46:23] <dmessier> LOL
[16:46:52] <anonimasu> yes?
[16:47:01] <anonimasu> but it's not like the nix install is new..
[16:47:03] <dmessier> boot sector gone sour
[16:47:11] <anonimasu> you've got no clue what you are talking about..
[16:47:19] <anonimasu> windows ATE it's own partition..
[16:47:27] <anonimasu> I've been running on the same install for quite a while..
[16:47:37] <anonimasu> it locked up and wouldnt boot :)
[16:47:42] <anonimasu> boot again..
[16:47:56] <anonimasu> so I'm running *nix so I can use the computer atleast..
[16:48:04] <dmessier> its m$ what did you expect...
[16:48:19] <anonimasu> dmessier: I dont expect it to kill my partitions..
[16:48:36] <anonimasu> I guess that's the final nail in the coffin..
[16:48:38] <dmessier> win 98 ws good for 98 days and started to sour itself
[16:48:51] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Tha'ts funny... in 25+ years of dealing with M$ as a tech and SysAdmin, I've never heard that happening, .
[16:49:10] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I think it's the hd that's dying..
[16:49:25] <anonimasu> never seen that message before..
[16:49:27] <dmessier> i dont expect any other to be better... it could be that.. HD thing
[16:49:38] <Jymmm> anonimasu did you download a test utility from the hdd mfg and test the drive out?
[16:50:03] <anonimasu> nope.. it's just a hinch
[16:50:16] <dmessier> if *nix lets you see it rip your data off.. and start over with a new drive
[16:50:25] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:50:31] <anonimasu> going to do that later..
[16:50:44] <anonimasu> going to add ntfs support and force the data off there..
[16:51:05] <anonimasu> luckily I've got work at the work laptop
[16:51:12] <anonimasu> and nothing important on this one
[16:51:28] <dmessier> cool
[16:51:41] <anonimasu> luck is nice sometimes
[16:51:42] <anonimasu> :D
[16:51:57] <dmessier> better be lucky than good..
[16:52:14] <dmessier> both is SWEET
[16:52:33] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I've seen a w2k server lock up the routing settings
[16:52:37] <anonimasu> twice..
[16:52:55] <Jymmm> anonimasu: That's not "M$ ate the hdd" though.
[16:53:37] <anonimasu> yeah..
[16:53:48] <anonimasu> * anonimasu just calls it m$ ate the partition..
[16:53:54] <anonimasu> as the nix partition is just fine..
[16:54:03] <dmessier> ive had systems in NT4.0 not let me see stuff ON THe BOX but i could see them from the shop
[16:54:22] <anonimasu> I long for a decent OS
[16:54:31] <anonimasu> with a good wm
[16:54:37] <anonimasu> good/fast
[16:54:57] <Jymmm> anonimasu: You're not in Kansas anymore Toto.
[16:55:04] <anonimasu> what?
[16:55:07] <dmessier> as far as M4 goes... i'll stick with 2000 pro... seems the better of the bad stuff
[16:55:37] <dmessier> m$
[16:56:01] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I bash linux too, I am not impressed by xorg/xfree86
[16:56:27] <anonimasu> the wm's are good but I'd rather have one good then 30 customizable in every way possible..
[16:56:33] <Jymmm> dmessier XP is fine; just be aware of the security issues, dont install SP2, and disable all the animated overhead bullshit.
[16:56:50] <Jymmm> anonimasu OS2
[16:57:03] <jepler> don't install sp2?
[16:57:06] <anonimasu> Jymmm: haha, I'd like to be able to use my normal apps though
[16:57:18] <dmessier> my wife uses Xp.. i dislike it... too much "legacy" software wont run
[16:57:24] <anonimasu> Jymmm: but, I guess you cant have it all
[16:57:29] <Jymmm> anonimasu: You can, OS2 is STILL being developed and sold
[16:57:35] <anonimasu> I didnt know that..
[16:57:53] <dmessier> later..
[16:58:39] <anonimasu> Jymmm: howcome you never hear of it?
[16:58:52] <Jymmm> dmessier what legacy sw?
[16:59:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu hihg backend server only
[16:59:12] <anonimasu> hihg?
[16:59:22] <Jymmm> anonimasu typo
[16:59:32] <anonimasu> ah ok
[16:59:38] <Jymmm> high
[17:00:28] <Jymmm> jepler: SP2 restricts/limits/filters many things. It adds more overhead to the whole system.
[17:00:37] <anonimasu> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/warp/
[17:00:46] <Jymmm> anonimasu yep, that's it
[17:01:39] <anonimasu> too bad it didnt take off
[17:01:56] <Jymmm> It did, just M$ Marketing was better than IBM's
[17:02:06] <anonimasu> yep
[17:02:11] <anonimasu> it didnt take off..
[17:02:11] <anonimasu> not enough
[17:02:38] <Jymmm> None of outr OS/2 servers ever died/locked up
[17:03:02] <anonimasu> yeah.. but I'd like a workstation that did the same
[17:03:02] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:03:07] <Jymmm> And we were running mail for intel and navy.mil too
[17:03:35] <anonimasu> the only real trouble I've had with m$ is the infernal patching..
[17:03:43] <anonimasu> and that it sometimes behves a bit strange..
[17:03:57] <anonimasu> and will require a reboot/restart of services to add users to domains..
[17:04:01] <anonimasu> users/workstations
[17:04:31] <Jymmm> You dont need to rebott to add users/objects to the domain
[17:04:48] <anonimasu> I know..
[17:04:59] <anonimasu> somtimes, when adding a workstation it'll refuse it..
[17:05:35] <Jymmm> Only if it already exists, not enough licensing, or anable to contact other DC's
[17:06:42] <Jymmm> The things you're mentioning are more PEBKAC than anything else (less the install service/reboot thing and certain networking/routing)
[17:06:56] <anonimasu> pebkac?
[17:07:05] <Jymmm> M$ is a desktop/corporate product
[17:07:14] <chinamill> how about the included apps and viruses for them... I don't thik the are something that a rich company can stand for
[17:07:26] <Jymmm> [PEBKAC] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
[17:09:03] <anonimasu> Jymmm: you are wrong about that..
[17:09:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu I know what you mean about a "Good OS" though, I doubt it'll ever been seen though.
[17:09:20] <Jymmm> anonimasu nope
[17:09:22] <anonimasu> me neither..
[17:10:02] <anonimasu> Jymmm: if something dosent work, one time and works the second time with the same settings are you still saying the problem is between the keyboard and chair?
[17:10:06] <chinamill> have you seen plan9 form bell labs? It is a fair OS
[17:10:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu yep.
[17:10:24] <chinamill> or a fair start at least...
[17:10:48] <anonimasu> Jymmm: so explain it to me..
[17:10:52] <Jymmm> anonimasu You just have to know WHY it happened - that's the biggest PITA thing about M$
[17:11:16] <Jymmm> and their lac of documentation.
[17:11:18] <Jymmm> lack
[17:11:41] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I didnt feel to happy about buying support from them because the routing wouldnt work..
[17:12:01] <Jymmm> Their Resource Kits USED to be wonderful things - hell I still use commands from Win3.11 days even today. But they no longer documet that shit .
[17:12:05] <anonimasu> Jymmm: worked wonders the 3rd time I tried it though..
[17:13:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[17:13:06] <Jymmm> The RK for W3.11 was 8.5" x 11" and 250 pages - that was excluding MS-DOS too. Imagine a RK today for XP
[17:13:26] <Jymmm> It be about 3000 pages
[17:14:31] <chinamill> What do you think of the memory leakage of the DCOM system (wich crached
[17:14:49] <chinamill> crashed alot of apps and made OS to freeze
[17:17:54] <chinamill> MS never fixed it and when more memory got more common they got off with it on the desktop (people usually reboot at least once a week).
[17:20:39] <robin__> meep?
[17:21:27] <Jymmm> chinamill: M$ doesn't make any money "fixing" things =)
[17:23:58] <robin__> Jymmm, thats an unproven theory ...
[17:24:14] <robin__> mainly beacuase M$ has never fixed anything :)
[17:24:42] <chinamill> They have tidy:ed somewhat at least...
[17:25:06] <chinamill> Still very BIG but crashed more seldomly now
[17:25:48] <robin__> I thought XP was going to be OK
[17:26:01] <robin__> but having started using it more, it has problems
[17:26:13] <robin__> needs regular reboots, or it just goes bad
[17:26:21] <jepler> XP's not bad for paying video games and some limited software development with, say, python or mingw
[17:26:33] <robin__> stops networking and just goes slow after a while and has to be rebooted
[17:26:47] <chinamill> Anyone seen anything about HURD.... It was a nice aproach for a deasent size kernel
[17:26:57] <jepler> but I certainly never let it run for more than a few days at a stretch
[17:27:17] <robin__> oh,
[17:27:29] <robin__> I have to reboot say once every three weeks on XP
[17:27:50] <robin__> never runs much more than a month without crappign out
[17:28:50] <chinamill> rob: did you monitor the mem use, maybe you use an app with mem leakage (make the OS more or less hang after some time).
[17:29:00] <robin__> yeah
[17:29:16] <alex_joni> my XP usually works for months
[17:29:28] <alex_joni> hi robin
[17:29:34] <robin__> not spotted any HUGE apps, just a general slowing down, unti eventually it wont do anyting sensible
[17:29:41] <robin__> hi alex
[17:29:48] <robin__> hey, look what I got ...
[17:30:03] <robin__> * robin__ dangles the keys to his new factory
[17:30:14] <alex_joni> heh, nice
[17:30:20] <robin__> and maybe a new laser too :)
[17:30:30] <alex_joni> congrats
[17:30:46] <robin__> 3mx1.5m, twin tables, sheet loader .. but only 1800W
[17:30:46] <chinamill> Hi alex_joni, the cample THC was not HF ready... But they said something about trying to fix that
[17:31:34] <robin__> alex_joni, and best of all .. it might just be FREE ;)
[17:31:35] <chinamill> robin: what are you manufaturing?
[17:32:15] <robin__> chinamill, subcontract laser cutting of steel, and fabrication of assemblies up to 1 tonne
[17:32:32] <alex_joni> robin__: had to weld today, stick ;)
[17:32:37] <robin__> ooh
[17:32:45] <chinamill> wow, how do you get your customers?
[17:32:45] <robin__> we are going to buy a stick
[17:32:45] <alex_joni> came out smooth, I got the hangs of it :D
[17:32:50] <Jymmm> Has anyone seen these lighting fixtures in bulk/wholesale? http://static.flickr.com/56/120816392_7dafe87763.jpg
[17:33:10] <robin__> alex_joni, a stick welder is always useful for those "hard to get into" places
[17:33:29] <alex_joni> robin__: or portability
[17:33:33] <alex_joni> but that's about it :D
[17:33:42] <robin__> yeah,
[17:33:54] <robin__> we'll buy a big old 3 pahse machine, so wont be that portable
[17:34:12] <alex_joni> hope it's not one of those rotary converters :D
[17:34:28] <robin__> Jymmm, most of the signmaking suppliers do that sort of product ...
[17:34:41] <robin__> alex_joni, nah, will be an Oxford oil-cooled one
[17:34:46] <chinamill> what is the quality differns in the cut compared laser and plasma?
[17:34:52] <robin__> well
[17:34:56] <robin__> laser is good
[17:35:00] <robin__> plasma is shit
[17:35:06] <alex_joni> but expensive for the thickness
[17:35:17] <alex_joni> plasma is less costly, but worse quality
[17:35:20] <robin__> and I speak as someone who used to sell people plasma systems :)
[17:35:20] <Jymmm> robin__: Not the sign, JUST the lighting fixture; extruded aluminum, end caps, internal lighting (LED/CCFL), and maybe wall xfmr.
[17:35:31] <robin__> Jymmm, yes, exactly
[17:35:59] <chinamill> laser = more smooth 90 degree cut?
[17:36:06] <Jymmm> robin__: The extrusion I can see, but not the end caps.
[17:36:09] <alex_joni> chinamill: yes, and very fast too
[17:36:14] <alex_joni> but expensive
[17:36:15] <chinamill> ok
[17:36:24] <Jymmm> robin__ I'm thinking out of Asia, but nfc.
[17:36:26] <robin__> Jymmm, they normally sell them as pre made units ready to stick in you piece of perspex
[17:36:46] <Jymmm> robin__: Exactly, I'm just looking for the lighting part
[17:37:01] <Jymmm> or the pre-made unit I mean
[17:37:05] <robin__> Jymmm, what .. you mean just the bulb?
[17:37:23] <robin__> sigh ...
[17:37:33] <Jymmm> robin__: No, (those I have)... "Ready to insert signage"
[17:38:41] <robin__> sorry, im confused now .. I thought you wanted the extrusion, complete with light and endcaps, ready to recieve your routed piece of acryllic
[17:38:59] <Jymmm> robin__: Correct (excuse the confusion)
[17:39:04] <robin__> right ...
[17:39:30] <robin__> well, see any bulk signmaking supplier ... they are pretty common,
[17:39:46] <robin__> I still get leaflets every month for similar things inthe UK
[17:39:55] <robin__> and I got out of signmkaing 10 years or more
[17:40:12] <robin__> they NEVER give up those marketing guys :)
[17:40:18] <Jymmm> robin__: I cant find any wholesale, just other sign making plases.
[17:40:38] <robin__> right ... signmaking places will sell them co,mpleted .. for end users.
[17:40:50] <Jymmm> Ok, I found ONE, but in the US, so I doubt wholesale pricing.
[17:41:08] <robin__> nah, you need to get to a signmaking show :)
[17:41:09] <Jymmm> robin__ I aint paying retail =)
[17:41:46] <robin__> quite
[17:42:07] <Jymmm> Need to find Asia mfg =)
[17:42:15] <robin__> nah, you cant afford it
[17:42:30] <robin__> 1) its goingto be 1000 units minimum
[17:42:37] <robin__> 2) money up front
[17:42:53] <Jymmm> robin__: But I can contact their importer here in the US
[17:43:13] <robin__> 3) you can get them easily from a signmakers supply store anyway ...
[17:44:26] <robin__> what state you in?
[17:44:28] <robin__> NY?
[17:44:31] <Jymmm> Calif
[17:46:00] <robin__> http://www.sign-supplies.com/listings/usa/CA.html
[17:50:58] <robin__> thes guys: http://www.productsignsupplies.com/html/productinfo.html look like they stock a good range of stuff, I'd be suprised if they dont have them
[17:53:02] <Jymmm> They dont - they serve mostly the vinyl industry
[17:54:21] <Jymmm> Shit, they charge $48 for 12"x300ft transfer tape - very expensive place.
[17:59:23] <robin__> well, I guess you need to get on down to a tradeshow :)
[18:00:02] <Jymmm> Nah, just need to hit the docks!
[18:03:13] <robin__> well, I guess you need to get on down to a tradeshow :)
[18:03:34] <robin__> strangely enough, all the edgelit signs seem to have gone LED now .. that figures
[18:04:30] <robin__> heh
[18:04:55] <robin__> slip the right guy some greenbacks, get a conatainer load
[18:05:29] <robin__> nothing works as well as pictures of dead presidents :)
[18:05:45] <Jymmm> NOW you know why I said I need to hit the docks.
[18:06:17] <Jymmm> Port of Long Beach (best), Port of Stockton, Port of San Francsco
[18:06:24] <robin__> you might have to open a few hundred thousand comntainers first though ...
[18:07:07] <Jymmm> It's funny, in LA you can hit the docks and it's also retail like... just BULK retail.
[18:07:14] <Jymmm> a/also/almost/
[18:07:33] <robin__> mmm, possibly for "common" items ...
[18:08:07] <Jymmm> Textiles, Electronics, Clothing, it's HUGE.... like a giant BULK flea market
[18:08:33] <Jymmm> They leave enough out so you can see the product, you just buy buy the case/pallet
[18:09:09] <Jymmm> Toys are the worse I think.
[18:09:51] <robin__> yeah,
[18:10:03] <robin__> and imported meat thats not been frozen
[18:10:28] <Jymmm> I haven't seen alot of that here.
[18:10:34] <robin__> crawling ...
[18:10:40] <Jymmm> mostly electronics and plastics
[18:11:00] <robin__> speaking of which
[18:11:12] <robin__> there is a injection moulder down the road going bust ...
[18:11:13] <Jymmm> It's funny when you start talking in $0.0004/ea
[18:11:23] <robin__> there is ONE thing there I want ...
[18:11:45] <robin__> a nice N2 generator :)
[18:12:20] <Jymmm> What do you generate Nitrogen from?
[18:12:25] <robin__> no more poxy bottled nitrogen for me!
[18:12:30] <robin__> mmm ... air
[18:12:39] <Jymmm> Yeah?
[18:12:43] <robin__> yeah
[18:12:50] <robin__> air is 67% N2
[18:12:57] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[18:13:22] <robin__> easy to extract it with a carbon molecular seive
[18:13:35] <Jymmm> I never realized air was mostly N2
[18:13:44] <robin__> yep
[18:13:47] <Jymmm> always thought it was O2 + smog =)
[18:13:51] <robin__> nah
[18:14:05] <robin__> N2 +02 + Ar + other shit
[18:14:23] <Jymmm> I saw a Hydrogen generator $1500 for a lil tabletop one.
[18:14:51] <robin__> oops, 78% N2, my bad
[18:14:58] <robin__> yeah?
[18:15:12] <robin__> not much use really if it was electric powered
[18:15:21] <Jymmm> I think mostly for hobby/jewlery makers
[18:15:29] <Jymmm> it is
[18:15:38] <robin__> oh, right
[18:15:43] <robin__> for that it is useful
[18:16:18] <Jymmm> Especially since they dont offer disposable tanks of hydrogen, and nothing under 5ft in refillable tanks (2200PIS)
[18:16:21] <Jymmm> PSI
[18:16:34] <robin__> but you put more energy in than you get out .. so no use for "energy" uses
[18:16:53] <Jymmm> convienance
[18:16:57] <robin__> exactly
[18:17:02] <robin__> same as my N2 gen
[18:17:11] <robin__> I so hate running out of N2
[18:17:39] <robin__> http://www.physlink.com/reference/AirComposition.cfm
[18:17:47] <robin__> now you see why He is so expensive :)
[18:18:10] <robin__> (not that you normally extract it from the air)
[18:18:14] <Jymmm> yeah, we're running out of it
[18:18:47] <robin__> theres lots in Texas
[18:18:55] <Jymmm> hot air?
[18:18:59] <robin__> nah
[18:19:01] <robin__> He
[18:19:05] <Jymmm> methane cow gas?
[18:19:13] <Jymmm> =)
[18:19:19] <robin__> stored undergriund by the gov
[18:19:26] <Jymmm> lol, fuckers
[18:19:31] <robin__> yeah
[18:19:39] <Jymmm> ok, off to wall mart.... bbl
[18:19:43] <robin__> they extract it from naturla gas
[18:20:14] <robin__> all gas fields in tx pass it theough a gov faciltity to extract the He
[18:20:19] <robin__> weird huh?
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[18:46:51] <robin__> ;p[op0-puok0'[#
[18:47:07] <alex_joni> robin__: your cat is typing funny today
[19:04:32] <alex_joni> Jymmm: wanna make a new friend?
[19:04:36] <alex_joni> Jymmm: http://www.sugarqube.com/Ecards/CardView.cfm?CardID=1035&L1=1&L2=50&L3=
[19:10:43] <giacus> hey guys what you think about xhtml and liquid layouts ?
[19:11:08] <giacus> my brain is smoking ..
[19:11:10] <giacus> :(
[19:11:35] <alex_joni194> hello
[19:11:59] <giacus> hello
[19:13:44] <alex_joni194> giacus: guess what client I am using now ;)
[19:14:01] <giacus> pda ?
[19:14:13] <giacus> telnet ?
[19:14:16] <giacus> :)
[19:14:28] <alex_joni194> no, www.linuxcnc.org and some java client ;)
[19:14:39] <giacus> oh. nice
[19:14:50] <alex_joni194> very
[19:14:51] <giacus> I've seen the new joomla style
[19:14:56] <giacus> really nice
[19:15:01] <giacus> congrats
[19:15:26] <giacus> im tryng to get my website in xhtml with liquid (float) layout
[19:15:49] <giacus> could be nice for my Ipaq, running GPE/Minimo browser
[19:15:57] <giacus> have a small display
[19:16:26] <giacus> I got the layout working 100% good with firefox
[19:16:36] <giacus> now fighting with IE issues :/
[19:17:23] <giacus> when is ok for Firefox isnt good for IE
[19:17:27] <giacus> and viceversa..
[19:18:15] <giacus> * giacus take a beer
[19:18:18] <giacus> :D
[19:19:13] <giacus> are the rss feeds working on the new website ?
[19:19:25] <giacus> linuxcnc I mean
[20:41:04] <robin__> giacus, are you familiar with http://validator.w3.org ?
[20:41:42] <giacus> robin__: I'm playng with it ..
[20:42:12] <robin__> it will help you solve your website format problems ... when you remove the errors, you will have less problems with different browsers
[20:42:16] <giacus> nice tool
[20:42:20] <giacus> I know ..
[20:42:34] <robin__> essential ... unless you install OpenGlade etc locally
[20:42:52] <giacus> The issue isnt in code validation
[20:43:45] <giacus> I'd like to get a layout compatble with Firefox, IE and Minimo (pda) Browsers
[20:47:46] <robin__> how can you say that? "the issue isn't with code validation" ...
[20:48:01] <giacus> nope
[20:48:05] <robin__> if you have code errors, then the browser will handle them in unpredicatbale ways ...
[20:48:33] <giacus> using div, tables I get different alignments in IE
[20:48:43] <robin__> right ...
[20:48:43] <giacus> for images
[20:48:45] <robin__> and?
[20:48:59] <giacus> and backround too .. sometime
[20:49:05] <robin__> right ...
[20:49:33] <robin__> so? ... you have <body align="center"> for a start ...
[20:49:35] <giacus> now tryng this: http://www.giacus.org/altro.html
[20:49:54] <giacus> But I have to use separate css at the end
[20:50:02] <giacus> just tryng the layout now
[20:51:33] <robin__> well, until you remove the errors, then anything can happen ...
[20:51:58] <robin__> browsers will not behave how you expect ... first, solve the errors, then see what remains
[20:53:01] <giacus> uh, yeah
[20:53:16] <giacus> got a lot of errors
[20:53:26] <giacus> but are simple errors
[20:53:30] <giacus> to solve
[20:53:41] <robin__> exactly
[20:53:42] <giacus> are U using IE ?
[20:53:46] <robin__> hell no
[20:54:19] <giacus> well, I like this layout: http://www.catb.org/~esr/
[20:54:31] <giacus> if you try it in IE 6
[20:54:54] <giacus> you'll see the horizontal scrollbar always apper
[20:54:59] <giacus> strange ..
[20:55:30] <giacus> but not in firefox
[20:55:48] <robin__> where would I find IE for Linux?
[20:56:13] <giacus> I've a laptop with it installed here around
[20:56:19] <giacus> I do not use it
[20:56:26] <giacus> it just for K4ts ..
[20:56:32] <giacus> when comes here
[20:56:47] <giacus> and Im using it to check differences
[20:56:53] <giacus> are a lot ..
[20:59:10] <giacus> btw, the latest layout I tried seems pretty ok
[21:03:59] <giacus> bluefish it's nice, but no so friendly :(
[21:08:13] <giacus> border=0
[21:08:19] <giacus> an attribute value specification must be an attribute value literal unless SHORTTAG YES is specified.
[21:08:31] <giacus> a bit permalous xhtml ..
[21:08:35] <giacus> :)
[21:09:09] <giacus> I love Ruby beause when meet these thing do all automatically :/
[21:12:20] <robin__> just stick some "" around it
[21:12:27] <robin__> border="0"
[21:12:35] <robin__> or beter still, set it in css
[21:12:39] <giacus> I mixed a bit of code ..
[21:12:52] <giacus> yeah, i'll use separate css file after
[21:15:12] <giacus> element "H1" undefined.
[21:15:17] <giacus> <H1> Giacus Personal Home Page</h1>
[21:17:09] <giacus> * giacus debugging it
[22:03:45] <robin__> giacus, to give you some idea why it matters ....
[22:04:21] <robin__> say you have a wrongly nested </div> within a table ...
[22:04:49] <robin__> some browsers will see the </div> and then roll back, looking for an open <div> to close ...
[22:05:01] <robin__> closing any other tags they see along the way
[22:05:21] <robin__> thus you could close a <tr> or a <td> by accident
[22:05:25] <robin__> if you see what I mean
[22:05:40] <robin__> then the next <td> isnt in a <tr> and .. mess.
[22:06:56] <robin__> thats a random/imaginition example, but incorrectly closing tags can do that ... your <H1></h1> exmaple could cause ti to roll back looking for a <h1> to close .. closing other tags along the way
[22:11:02] <Imperator_> Hi all. The new layout on linuxcnc.org is realy a great step forward. btw. the new threading ability should be something for the news area
[22:11:33] <alex_joni> Imperator_: once it's stable/proven enough
[22:11:46] <Imperator_> Hi alex, ok
[22:12:01] <alex_joni> Imperator_: I added a IRC client today :D
[22:12:07] <alex_joni> it's under Contact Us ->
[22:15:38] <Imperator_> hm the java IRC client freezes mozilla
[22:15:58] <alex_joni> it works here,
[22:16:10] <alex_joni> probably a bad java on your side. is it M$ java?
[22:16:43] <Imperator_> no i think i have installt the real one
[22:16:51] <Imperator_> installed
[22:17:23] <alex_joni447> odd, I am using it right now :)
[22:18:28] <Imp_2> ok with IE it runns
[22:19:26] <giacus> robin__: sorry ..
[22:19:34] <giacus> was tryng it
[22:20:23] <alex_joni> hi imp_2
[22:20:24] <imp_2> strange, if i chance the nicname it runns
[22:20:53] <alex_joni> ok, maybe ident was the problem, what nic did you use the first time?
[22:21:02] <Imperator_> if i take the one it suggests it chrashs
[22:21:18] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hmmm. You know, I could do an April Fool's Day joke, but maybe instead we should make this a group effort. Let's all just go to irc.oftc.net channel #oftc, and tell them that freenode has shut down and has repointed its servers to OFTC, and ask if they're going to be adding more facilities to handle the load. 8)
[22:24:11] <alex_joni> what's the one?
[22:25:04] <lilo> [Global Notice] Okay guys, thanks for the fun, let's let those poor guys on OFTC off the hook. :)
[22:25:59] <giacus> robin__: This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.1!
[22:26:15] <giacus> good, now should I fix something in the css
[22:28:35] <lilo> [Global Notice] Okay guys, give the folks on OFTC a rest, it was a good joke, time to go home. :)
[22:29:58] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-away
[22:30:44] <fenn> ah well that was fun
[22:30:56] <alex_joni> lol, yeah
[22:34:53] <alex_joni> roltek: hello
[22:47:07] <roltek> how are you doing alex
[22:47:18] <alex_joni> roltek: thanks, pretty good
[22:48:14] <roltek> where do i find the pinout for the messa 5i20 card, i am also using an analog card
[22:50:31] <alex_joni> they should have it on their site
[22:50:41] <alex_joni> somewhere under documentation, not sure
[22:51:14] <roltek> ok i here you have been making progress on the halui
[22:51:31] <alex_joni> roltek: some, but nothing crucial :)
[22:51:39] <alex_joni> didn't push it very hard
[22:53:11] <roltek> the halui is very important we need to use buttons and switch's for a true control
[22:55:44] <Imperator_> roltek: you can find the pinout in the sources from mesa
[22:56:06] <roltek> thank you
[22:56:27] <Imperator_> if you need a working Xilinx projekt let me know
[22:57:22] <alex_joni> roltek: I understand that, right now machine on/off, estop reset and lube/coolant/mist on/off work
[22:57:40] <alex_joni> will add a few more soon, these are the easy ones
[22:57:46] <alex_joni> the hard ones are about jogging & such
[22:58:26] <roltek> great i know you have been and will continue to do a good job
[22:59:44] <alex_joni> roltek: wanted to ask you something
[22:59:53] <alex_joni> I heared you know your ways around CNC lathes
[23:00:56] <roltek> cnc lathes,cnc mills,vertical and horizontal and gear cutting machines
[23:01:21] <alex_joni> ok, I'm interested about CNC lathes, as that was missing from emc
[23:01:32] <roltek> i do it every day for a living
[23:01:44] <alex_joni> can you describe to the non-lathe-user (me) how it generally works?
[23:02:00] <alex_joni> I mean with a simple example like a thread
[23:02:31] <roltek> to start out with you are missing g50,g96 g97,g76
[23:02:34] <alex_joni> what code you need to write, and things like that
[23:02:51] <roltek> asfar as
[23:02:56] <alex_joni> I think I've seen some 96,97 descriptions (those are canned cycles ?)
[23:03:40] <roltek> g50 -top limit speed for g96 constant surface feed
[23:04:01] <roltek> g97 straight surface speed
[23:04:11] <alex_joni> what's that mean?
[23:04:15] <roltek> g96- constant surface speed
[23:04:18] <alex_joni> G86 vs. G87 ?
[23:04:23] <alex_joni> err,, 96 vs 97
[23:05:07] <roltek> 97 -straight programmed speed
[23:05:36] <roltek> 96-speed compared to dia of work
[23:05:36] <alex_joni> ok, so G97 always goes at programmed speed, no matter how fast the spndle turns?
[23:06:29] <roltek> proper programing of lathe start lines
[23:06:37] <roltek> noo10 to100
[23:06:42] <roltek> g50 s2000
[23:06:55] <roltek> g97 s500 m3
[23:06:58] <roltek> m08
[23:07:26] <roltek> g00 x4.0 z0.0 t0101
[23:07:55] <roltek> t0101 calls tool offset on first move
[23:08:21] <alex_joni> can you provide some comments to those lines?
[23:08:47] <roltek> g97 s500 programs spindle speed at 500 rpm only
[23:09:34] <alex_joni> ok
[23:09:39] <alex_joni> m3 ?
[23:09:48] <alex_joni> my g-code is pretty rusty ;)
[23:09:53] <roltek> g96 s500 programs spindle speeds at different dia. up to max of g50 s 2000
[23:09:57] <alex_joni> spindle clockwise iirc?
[23:10:27] <roltek> spindle clockwise at mo3
[23:10:58] <alex_joni> ok, this G96 assumes center of work in the middle of X?
[23:11:10] <roltek> correction clockwise at m04
[23:11:24] <alex_joni> ok, it's a spindle on ;) nm which direction
[23:12:09] <alex_joni> I still don't get G97 S500 vs. G50 S2000
[23:12:15] <roltek> tools in lathe can be turned up or down so rotion changes depending on what you are doing
[23:12:53] <roltek> g50 is spindle max speed
[23:12:58] <alex_joni> G50 S2000 means 2000 RPM for the spindle, that's the max allowed
[23:13:03] <alex_joni> ok, I can see that
[23:13:12] <roltek> does not have to be used with g97
[23:13:25] <alex_joni> roltek: ok, I understand G50
[23:13:48] <roltek> just that way we were taught to progam always put it in
[23:14:07] <roltek> so you don't forget
[23:14:43] <alex_joni> ok, how aout G97 ?
[23:15:15] <roltek> g97 is programed spindle speed
[23:15:34] <alex_joni> ok, so spindle will turn at 500 RPM
[23:15:50] <roltek> when yuo use g96 you will get better finish
[23:15:57] <roltek> yes
[23:16:29] <alex_joni> what do you mean "g96 s500 programs spindle speeds at different dia." ?
[23:17:09] <roltek> speed will increase as you get closer to 0 dia.
[23:17:38] <alex_joni> how do you specify the diameter?
[23:17:49] <alex_joni> or does it track the tool position?
[23:18:03] <Imperator_> on a lathe you have different cutting speeds depending of the radius you are actualy cutting
[23:18:13] <roltek> that is why you program g50 s2000
[23:18:25] <alex_joni> Imperator_: I can understand that, but I don't see where you specify the diameter
[23:18:30] <alex_joni> in rolteks example
[23:18:37] <roltek> so the part does not come flying out of chuck
[23:19:01] <alex_joni> roltek: lets start again
[23:19:11] <alex_joni> G50 S2000 sets maximum speed to 2000 RPM
[23:19:20] <roltek> yes
[23:19:21] <alex_joni> G97 S500 sets speed to 500 RPM
[23:19:29] <roltek> yes
[23:19:32] <alex_joni> now the machine moves from X0 to X2 for example
[23:19:38] <alex_joni> does the spindle speed adjust?
[23:19:48] <roltek> in a g96
[23:19:58] <alex_joni> ok, say G96 S500
[23:20:13] <alex_joni> how does it know to what diameter the 500 RPM correspond
[23:20:41] <roltek> ther is a formula for suface speed
[23:20:55] <roltek> \i don't have it with me now
[23:21:03] <alex_joni> roltek: not what I asked
[23:21:04] <cradek> but rpm is not a measure of surface speed
[23:21:26] <alex_joni> when you are at X=1 there should be some spindle speed
[23:21:31] <alex_joni> when at X=2 another
[23:21:49] <alex_joni> how does the software know what speed at X=1 and what at X=2
[23:22:19] <alex_joni> or otherwise said: at what X does G96 S500 correspond?
[23:22:44] <roltek> there is a formula for that
[23:22:47] <fenn> is X = 0 always the center of the work?
[23:23:07] <alex_joni> roltek: there can't be
[23:23:16] <alex_joni> there can be a relative formula..
[23:23:34] <alex_joni> if I have speed 500 at diameter = 2", then at 1" I need whatever speed
[23:23:41] <cradek> g96's units must be in distance/time, not rotation/time
[23:24:18] <alex_joni> cradek: oh, then it's not spindle speed, but surface speed
[23:24:30] <alex_joni> 2*pi*r*rpm/sec
[23:24:56] <fenn> but you dont know R
[23:25:05] <cradek> I assume r=x
[23:25:08] <alex_joni> fenn: you do, cause you have your position
[23:25:25] <alex_joni> right, what cradek said
[23:25:27] <cradek> or r~x at least
[23:25:43] <fenn> what if you have a tool on either side of the work? like a cutoff blade on the rear toolpost
[23:26:02] <cradek> mumble tool offset mumble
[23:26:57] <roltek> tool offst's on lathes work differently than mills
[23:28:07] <roltek> most lathes have a geometry offset and a tool offset
[23:28:32] <fenn> could you explain what those terms mean?
[23:29:17] <roltek> toolofsets are small numbers .001-.002 exc.
[23:29:52] <roltek> gemotry is setting tool 1 and all other tools are set offf of that
[23:30:22] <roltek> tool ofsets are tool whare offsets
[23:34:34] <roltek> http://www.manufacturingcenter.com/tooling/archives/0406/0406shop.asp
[23:35:40] <roltek> alex does that help
[23:36:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks
[23:37:54] <alex_joni> roltek: yes, that's clear now
[23:40:42] <roltek> g33 probably should not be used for threading
[23:40:53] <roltek> g32 or g76
[23:41:25] <roltek> you should be able to handle most threads with that
[23:41:47] <roltek> looping should never be used in threading
[23:42:25] <alex_joni> well, G76 does looping, doesn't it?
[23:42:35] <jmkasunich> why not use looping?
[23:42:43] <roltek> most post processer's handle g32 and g76 not g33
[23:43:23] <Imperator_> about spindel speed, i think if you are using G96 then S100 means not 100upm it means 100m/min cuting speed
[23:43:28] <roltek> if you are teaching people to program it should be done at industry standards
[23:46:02] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. On behalf of my self and all 200 or so people who participated in that April Fool's prank on OFTC, please accept our apology. I know that when you're the person pranked, it doesn't seem all that funny. So, apologies and bygones!
[23:46:12] <alex_joni> I see, so G32 is only for threads?
[23:46:19] <lilo> [Global Notice] Erm, assuming anyone from OFTC is still here. 8)
[23:46:47] <Imperator_> my book says G33 is threading, i can't find G32
[23:48:35] <roltek> all industrial controls will have g32
[23:49:00] <roltek> fanuc,hass
[23:50:36] <Imperator_> G33 U-2 Z70 K.4 I2 F3 means: thread is 2mm deep ; 70mm long ;tool takes 0.4mm each step ; thread ending is two thread windings; thread pich is 3mm
[23:51:02] <roltek> i don't know if this will work
[23:51:19] <roltek> 6. Sample Threading Programs
[23:51:19] <roltek> 6.1. Synergy 1/4-20 thread program
[23:51:19] <roltek> Parameters
[23:51:19] <roltek> Class name: American Standard Thread Class 2 External
[23:51:19] <roltek> Class id number: 11114
[23:51:19] <roltek> Name: 0.25-20_AS
[23:51:21] <roltek> Type: External
[23:51:23] <roltek> Tpi: 20
[23:51:25] <roltek> Major diameter: 0.25
[23:51:27] <roltek> Pitch diameter: 0.2175
[23:51:29] <roltek> Minor diameter: 0.1959
[23:51:31] <roltek> Angle of thread: 60
[23:51:34] <roltek> Initial depth: 0.02
[23:51:35] <roltek> cleanup passes: 2
[23:51:37] <roltek> %
[23:51:39] <roltek> (1/4-20 THREAD)
[23:51:41] <roltek> N0010 T0100(INDEXING TURRET TO TOOL)
[23:51:43] <roltek> G50 S2000
[23:51:45] <roltek> G96 S410 M3
[23:51:47] <roltek> M8
[23:51:49] <roltek> G0 X.35 Z.1 T0101(CALLING TOOL OFFSET ON 1ST RAPID MOVE)
[23:51:51] <roltek> X.2231
[23:51:53] <roltek> G32 Z-1. F.05
[23:51:55] <roltek> G0 X.35
[23:51:57] <roltek> Z.1
[23:52:00] <roltek> X.2079
[23:52:01] <roltek> G32 Z-1.F.05
[23:52:03] <roltek> G0 X.35
[23:52:05] <roltek> Z.1
[23:52:07] <roltek> X.1959
[23:52:09] <roltek> G32 Z-1.F.05
[23:52:11] <roltek> G0 X.35
[23:52:13] <roltek> Z.1
[23:52:15] <roltek> (2 -SPRING PASSES AFTER FINAL DEPTH)
[23:52:17] <roltek> X.1959
[23:52:19] <roltek> G32 Z-1.F.05
[23:52:21] <roltek> G0 X.35
[23:52:23] <roltek> Z.1
[23:52:25] <roltek> X.1959
[23:52:27] <roltek> G32 Z-1.F.05
[23:52:29] <roltek> G0 X.35
[23:52:31] <roltek> G0 X5.0 Z.1
[23:52:33] <roltek> M30
[23:52:35] <roltek> %
[23:52:42] <roltek> you can do same thing with g76
[23:53:19] <roltek> problem with g33 is most post prossers don't handle it
[23:53:41] <giacus> where's the estop !!?
[23:53:44] <giacus> :D
[23:53:44] <alex_joni> ok, so G32 sounds like G33
[23:54:05] <alex_joni> I mean the current G33 that's in emc2 ;)
[23:54:12] <alex_joni> and you are using loops
[23:54:17] <alex_joni> for the multiple passes
[23:54:58] <giacus> * giacus printed 110 pages of xhtml manual and goes to bed/read
[23:55:01] <giacus> night
[23:55:24] <jmkasunich> roltek's _not_ using a loop, he unwound it
[23:55:34] <roltek> i have 4 post prossers at my shop for cad cam and none handle g33
[23:56:06] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: yeah, but it's the same thing if you write it 4 times, or you use o-loops
[23:56:22] <alex_joni> roltek: ok, I understood that G33 is not standard
[23:56:28] <roltek> programed code in wiki for senergy is wrong
[23:56:38] <alex_joni> how wrong?
[23:57:08] <roltek> if you are going to used a canned cycle than use g76
[23:57:51] <alex_joni> you mean this: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Code#Synergy_1_4_20_thread_program ?
[23:58:15] <roltek> if you look at my code it follows discription of thread on wiki page
[23:58:26] <roltek> yes
[23:58:48] <alex_joni> yeah, only difference is G32 vs. G33
[23:58:57] <alex_joni> and I think that depends on how you setup synergy
[23:59:05] <alex_joni> e.g. what CAM postprocessor you use
[23:59:14] <roltek> wrong where does the x-3. whatever come in
[23:59:30] <roltek> he is starting at .1 to -1.0
[23:59:33] <alex_joni> might be a different tool