#emc | Logs for 2006-03-28

[00:27:46] <jepler> hah. http://www.xcom2002.com/doh/images/0603171123dohdivorce.gif
[02:42:43] <dmessier> so
[02:42:58] <Jymmm> lo meo
[02:43:28] <dmessier> ;lol
[02:46:52] <Jymmm> liked that huh? I got a million of them... will be here all week! <rimshot>
[07:55:11] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[13:03:01] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[13:56:15] <giacus> ciao
[13:57:05] <rayh> Hi giacus
[13:57:11] <giacus> hello rayh
[13:58:25] <giacus> howdy ?
[13:59:13] <giacus> I was lookig at roboitalia forum , some guy asked for gcode samples
[13:59:36] <giacus> I posted your files and some axis snapshot
[14:00:14] <giacus> some young man is interested in gcode :P
[14:00:49] <alex_joni> if he's young then g-code is probably way older than him
[14:01:00] <giacus> hehe
[14:01:05] <giacus> morning alex
[14:01:18] <giacus> sure
[14:01:24] <alex_joni> hello
[14:01:25] <giacus> gcode is old
[14:01:37] <giacus> but always good
[14:01:39] <giacus> :)
[14:01:57] <giacus> there are not much samples online for that
[14:02:21] <giacus> except some summary reference
[14:03:24] <giacus> I was also seen the crash of the 'condor-man' ..
[14:03:34] <giacus> http://www.repubblica.it/2006/c/video/sezioni/cronaca/aereopic/aereopic/aereopic.html
[14:03:46] <giacus> watching
[14:04:16] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[14:04:16] <asdfqwega> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-03-28#T14-04-16
[14:04:24] <alex_joni> hello asdfqwega
[14:06:25] <skunkworks> Hi alex
[14:06:32] <skunkworks> Hi jackey
[14:06:45] <giacus> yo skunkworks
[14:09:15] <giacus> and ..
[14:09:31] <giacus> another interesting article here: http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php
[14:10:03] <giacus> sorry.. Im not a spammer
[14:10:06] <giacus> :-)
[14:10:36] <giacus> just I love penguins
[14:10:42] <giacus> hehe
[14:12:49] <giacus> LawrenceG: should know something there..
[14:14:52] <giacus> then, something is wrong there, as here
[14:23:00] <skunkworks> How is the servo search coming?'
[14:23:26] <giacus> ?
[14:24:00] <skunkworks> I thought you where looking for servos for your machiene
[14:24:02] <skunkworks> machine
[14:24:09] <giacus> yeah
[14:24:23] <giacus> just paused
[14:24:38] <skunkworks> I have that problem too. lots of paused projects
[14:24:40] <giacus> util Ill get more about it
[14:25:01] <giacus> the mine isnt a 'standard' project
[14:25:22] <giacus> it would be a 'no compromise' project
[14:25:23] <skunkworks> Are any projects "standard" ;)
[14:25:26] <giacus> a bit different
[14:25:34] <giacus> yeah
[14:25:42] <giacus> as standard you can find a lot
[14:27:23] <giacus> the mine should be a 'direct drive' machine
[14:27:27] <giacus> no pinions
[14:27:38] <giacus> and fast
[14:27:49] <giacus> how much is possible
[14:28:41] <skunkworks> That is how our big machine is going to be.
[14:29:01] <giacus> gibe the plan :P
[14:29:05] <giacus> give
[14:29:09] <giacus> me
[14:29:11] <giacus> hehe
[14:29:18] <skunkworks> what do you mean by "no pinions"?
[14:29:26] <skunkworks> (no reduction?)
[14:29:26] <giacus> no reductors
[14:29:29] <giacus> yeah
[14:29:55] <giacus> wicj servos you used ?
[14:30:01] <giacus> which
[14:30:12] <giacus> and drivers
[14:30:24] <skunkworks> we have some 75 ft-lb servos to replace the hydrolic ones (they were off of an other cnc that was scrapped by a local machine shop)
[14:30:43] <skunkworks> we just need 3 servo amps.
[14:31:07] <giacus> I also use 3 axis
[14:31:10] <skunkworks> don't know what we are going to do. it will be driving ball screws - 3 threads per inch
[14:31:15] <alex_joni> ac servos?
[14:31:19] <skunkworks> dc
[14:31:20] <giacus> dc
[14:31:38] <alex_joni> ahh.. smaller stuff ;)
[14:31:51] <giacus> mmm
[14:32:04] <giacus> depend on what yuou expect from it
[14:32:18] <skunkworks> right - anything is going to be better than what we have now.
[14:34:23] <alex_joni> I was kidding
[14:34:31] <alex_joni> I've seen some pretty big DC stuff
[14:34:57] <skunkworks> I didn't even notice you had said that - thought it was jackey. ;)
[14:35:44] <SWPadnos> I've seen the power supply for a 40MW DC servo
[14:36:02] <alex_joni> that's milliwatt right?
[14:36:02] <alex_joni> :D
[14:36:08] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:36:17] <SWPadnos> the supply was almost the size of my house
[14:36:34] <skunkworks> we have the power section of the servos (ran off of 3 phase - 6 scrs)
[14:36:38] <skunkworks> huge
[14:36:52] <skunkworks> but nothing before that.
[14:37:19] <SWPadnos> you haven't seen a huge SCR until you've seen one that's about 10 inches across and 4-6 inches thick ;)
[14:38:01] <skunkworks> damn - can't top that. these are about 1.5 diameter.
[14:38:06] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:38:24] <SWPadnos> I've done consulting work for these people: http://www.dynapower.com
[14:38:40] <SWPadnos> it's fun to go into their manufacturing plant
[14:38:54] <SWPadnos> they have power supplies with interior lighting
[14:39:09] <skunkworks> and coffee machines?
[14:39:09] <SWPadnos> (open door, turn on light, go to work)
[14:39:14] <SWPadnos> I wish
[14:39:47] <SWPadnos> the output bus bars are often liquid cooled, and about 4x6 inches in cross section
[14:40:08] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[14:40:23] <SWPadnos> I think their smallest supplies are 5KW or so
[14:41:02] <skunkworks> wow
[14:41:39] <SWPadnos> they have to call the power company when they're going to test the larger supplies ;)
[14:41:50] <SWPadnos> "step up the output, guys" ;)
[14:42:35] <asdfqwega> I hope they keep their Halon fire extinguishers handy
[14:42:40] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:42:58] <SWPadnos> http://www.dynapower.com/images/Products/Power%20Supplies/DCPlating.jpg
[14:43:12] <SWPadnos> that's a couple of smaller ones
[14:43:47] <alex_joni> yeah, usually you never appreciate current until you see the big guys :D
[14:43:52] <SWPadnos> yep
[14:43:59] <SWPadnos> 15000 amp supplies are impressive
[14:44:08] <alex_joni> I remember watching arc-melting on a bigger factory
[14:44:14] <alex_joni> metal melting I mean
[14:44:18] <skunkworks> how well do 3 phase scr servo controllers work>? any experiance?
[14:44:23] <SWPadnos> one of the ones I worked on was something like 100V, 60,000 A
[14:44:35] <SWPadnos> no experience here
[14:44:52] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: I might top that current
[14:44:57] <alex_joni> not the overall power though ;)
[14:45:04] <SWPadnos> 60kA continuous?
[14:45:19] <alex_joni> we sell pressure welding equipment
[14:45:22] <alex_joni> 150kA +
[14:45:29] <alex_joni> but small voltage
[14:45:33] <SWPadnos> continuous or pulsed?
[14:45:45] <alex_joni> it's not a sustained current
[14:45:56] <alex_joni> only for a few hundred msec
[14:46:00] <SWPadnos> yeah - these supplues are usually used in anodizing. they can output high voltages, but are usually limited by the current limit
[14:46:02] <alex_joni> so you might say it's pulsed
[14:46:05] <SWPadnos> yep
[14:46:09] <SWPadnos> supplies
[14:46:25] <alex_joni> but still, 630kVA machines are big and scary ;)
[14:46:41] <SWPadnos> the software actually has undercurrent limiting for plating applications
[14:46:52] <SWPadnos> when the current goes below some level, the batch is done
[14:47:05] <SWPadnos> yes
[14:47:21] <SWPadnos> just dealing with the 13200V direct feed is scary
[14:47:59] <alex_joni> I'm usually dealing with 300 or 600 V DC
[14:48:10] <alex_joni> and that's scary enough
[14:48:23] <SWPadnos> anything above 24 is bad ;)
[14:49:08] <alex_joni> I melted the tip of my current meter
[14:49:19] <alex_joni> then I realized what it can do :)
[14:49:49] <alex_joni> it was a thin tip (about 1.5 mm^2, but still, it melted like butter ;)
[14:50:49] <SWPadnos> hey - what do you think of this current probe?
[14:51:00] <SWPadnos> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7602703592
[14:51:19] <SWPadnos> I suppose I don't like the spade connectors
[14:51:50] <alex_joni> yeah, and I guess it's only for AC
[14:51:56] <SWPadnos> yep
[14:52:02] <SWPadnos> non-contact though ;)
[14:52:12] <alex_joni> it's not bad
[14:52:23] <SWPadnos> here's the other thing I'm looking at:
[14:52:34] <SWPadnos> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7602547661
[14:52:43] <SWPadnos> looks like it could be good for making motor mounts ;)
[14:54:36] <alex_joni> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514720891&ssPageName=MERC_VI_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
[14:54:39] <alex_joni> that's nice too
[14:54:49] <SWPadnos> yeah - I saw that one also
[14:54:57] <SWPadnos> not as good for motor mounts though ;)
[14:55:28] <alex_joni> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7522164717
[14:55:35] <alex_joni> that's good for motor mounts
[14:55:44] <SWPadnos> yep
[14:55:44] <alex_joni> but it might be more expensive than the whole mill
[14:55:57] <SWPadnos> only twice as much
[14:56:16] <alex_joni> heh
[14:56:18] <SWPadnos> that would be good for a driveway ;)
[14:56:28] <SWPadnos> 8x20 feet is a big sheet of metal
[14:56:30] <alex_joni> 255"
[14:56:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni still tries to convert that to actual units
[14:57:13] <skunkworks> thought you where talking about http://www.electronicsam.com/images/mounts.JPG
[14:57:16] <SWPadnos> heh - 6.25m or so
[14:57:32] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:57:42] <SWPadnos> I may need those as well, but I'm not willing to spend as much ;)
[14:58:28] <alex_joni> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/
[14:58:38] <alex_joni> errr.. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/ring.JPG
[14:58:42] <alex_joni> what ring is that?
[14:59:16] <alex_joni> skunkworks: finished your woodcube?
[15:03:56] <skunkworks> my wedding right
[15:04:12] <skunkworks> my wedding ring
[15:04:18] <skunkworks> that was odd
[15:04:46] <alex_joni> it's like the letters are right next to each other :)
[15:05:37] <skunkworks> it is tungstin carbide - kinda has a tech factor
[15:05:57] <skunkworks> wife picked it out for me. She knows me quite well.
[15:06:02] <skunkworks> :)
[15:06:05] <alex_joni> nice
[15:06:25] <anonimasu> the black and white color company
[15:06:26] <anonimasu> ^_^
[15:06:57] <skunkworks> yeh - need to change that. (it was for my javascript class I took a while back)
[15:07:51] <skunkworks> I had to come up with a website for a final project. Pretty cheesy.
[15:08:05] <skunkworks> got an A though
[15:09:23] <skunkworks> just pennies per pixel
[15:11:22] <anonimasu> :D
[15:11:29] <anonimasu> you'r a multibillionarie ;)
[15:12:03] <anonimasu> wouldnt be enough :D
[15:12:07] <anonimasu> bbl.. rest
[15:13:12] <giacus_afk> giacus_afk is now known as giacus
[15:14:16] <giacus> TorbaX:
[15:14:19] <giacus> hello
[15:14:24] <giacus> still there ?
[15:14:45] <TorbaX> hello giacus
[15:14:52] <alex_joni> hi guys
[15:14:55] <giacus> hey TorbaX
[15:15:23] <alex_joni> TorbaX, giacus: you're in southern italy right?
[15:15:32] <TorbaX> II'm trying to build an AVR programmer
[15:15:45] <TorbaX> I come form Sardinia
[15:15:48] <giacus> TorbaX: already tried Voipstunt ? http://www.voipstunt.com/en/rates.html
[15:15:57] <giacus> great :D
[15:16:13] <TorbaX> no, what is it?
[15:16:20] <giacus> try it ..
[15:16:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wants to go to sicily this summer
[15:16:48] <giacus> free calls everywhere
[15:17:17] <giacus> I'm testing it
[15:17:33] <giacus> should be better than skype
[15:18:27] <giacus> kill telecom italia :P
[15:20:01] <giacus> alex_joni: nice, youre welcome in sicily island :)
[15:20:54] <alex_joni> giacus: any place I can look for small hotels?
[15:21:06] <alex_joni> actually not hotels
[15:21:13] <giacus> oh.. dont worry about it
[15:21:13] <alex_joni> pensions, or rental houses
[15:21:15] <giacus> ;P
[15:21:20] <alex_joni> huh, why?
[15:21:37] <giacus> np, its not expensive
[15:21:50] <giacus> just worry abou time you get ..
[15:22:12] <giacus> and let me know
[15:22:41] <alex_joni> I don't know yet, but I'll let you know
[15:22:53] <giacus> ok
[16:19:53] <giacus> si � normale
[16:19:55] <giacus> ops
[17:05:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm replaces les_w music room with a 2 transistor pocket radio, Let's see if he notices...
[17:06:03] <alex_joni> make that a 1 transistor
[17:06:47] <Jymmm> diode radio?
[17:07:02] <alex_joni> tube
[17:08:09] <Jymmm> I mean one of these: http://www.techlib.com/electronics/crystal.html
[17:25:35] <alex_joni> nice
[17:31:56] <Jymmm> I also wanted to build a beefed up one... but doubt there's enough power in a lil ol' diode for it
[17:34:20] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_vti.c hal_vti.h): latest fixes from Eric
[17:46:07] <CIA-8> 03swpadnos * 10emc2/tcl/bin/emccalib.tcl: Make ini variable saving preserve whitespace from the original ini line.
[17:48:02] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[17:50:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[17:57:59] <skunkworks> yawns? Have you seen any circuts for running a 3 phase scr final stage?
[17:58:04] <skunkworks> :)
[18:00:26] <alex_joni> skunkworks: no ;) not tonight
[18:00:56] <skunkworks> I would have to really think about it.
[18:00:58] <skunkworks> hard
[18:01:04] <skunkworks> and then it probably would not work.
[18:01:10] <skunkworks> :)
[18:01:10] <alex_joni> probably ;)
[18:02:14] <skunkworks> we think we know why the cnc was taken out of service. 2 of the 3 servos had most of its brushes hung up.
[18:25:37] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[18:47:07] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: some more work, reorganizing stuff a bit, added estop
[19:12:08] <alex_joni> anyone know about -j DNAT ?
[19:12:35] <jepler> I only use SNAT
[19:15:17] <jepler> http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html
[19:15:40] <jepler> xample 5.6. Using DNAT for a single port
[19:15:41] <jepler> [root@real-server]# iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination
[19:18:53] <alex_joni> jepler: I know that much of DNAT
[19:19:10] <alex_joni> but I want to forward a ftp connection to another server
[19:19:14] <alex_joni> and that's a bit trickier
[19:20:29] <jepler> oh
[19:20:39] <jepler> yeah, the answer is "forget FTP, it's so 20th century"
[19:20:54] <alex_joni> lol
[19:59:01] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: added mist, flood, lube
[20:19:59] <alex_joni> 42night all
[20:20:06] <Jymmm> nite
[20:56:38] <Jymmm> les_w you around?
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[21:25:41] <Bo-Dick> when having a stepper motor connected in a way so that the coils are in parallel rather than in series is it then necessary to have one separate current limiter for each coil in the parallel path?
[21:26:11] <cradek> no, because the coils are pretty much the same
[21:26:34] <Bo-Dick> i'm glad to hear that
[21:27:45] <Bo-Dick> when current limiting a steppers coils is it best to have the limit at the source or the sink side of the coils?
[21:28:05] <cradek> doesn't matter
[21:30:44] <Bo-Dick> ok thanks
[22:06:42] <skunkworks> Hi cradek. How is it going?
[22:07:14] <cradek> fine, you?
[22:25:46] <skunkworks> sorry. Got side tracked.
[22:25:49] <skunkworks> Good
[22:25:59] <skunkworks> heading home from work.
[22:26:12] <skunkworks> be back in a bit.
[22:36:37] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[22:38:36] <Jymmm> Hey SWPadnos
[22:39:03] <SWPadnos> hi
[22:39:47] <Jymmm> what's happening on your end?
[22:40:31] <SWPadnos> I've just been looking all over town for flat open end wrneches for my Tapmatic 30 TC/DC
[22:40:41] <SWPadnos> couldn't find any, so now I have to make them
[22:41:13] <Jymmm> I have some... will sell em and my 30 tc/dc for $175
[22:41:34] <SWPadnos> if you can have them here in 20 minutes, it's a deal ;)
[22:41:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: dont push your luck
[22:42:17] <Jymmm> you might be paying a $30,000 delivery fee
[22:42:30] <SWPadnos> no deal
[22:44:29] <Jymmm> you get what you pay for =)
[22:44:59] <Jymmm> whatcha tapping?
[22:48:25] <SWPadnos> steel tube for a prop for a play
[22:49:15] <Jymmm> ah... 1/4-20?
[22:49:49] <SWPadnos> 10-32
[22:50:04] <SWPadnos> about 20 of them, and it's best if the tap doesn't slip
[22:50:15] <SWPadnos> which it does when the chuck is only hand-tight
[22:50:24] <Jymmm> lol, ya think?
[22:50:40] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands SWPadnos the chuck key
[22:50:45] <SWPadnos> it worked for a couple of them, then started spinning
[22:50:55] <SWPadnos> a chuck key would be most welcome on that device
[22:51:04] <Jymmm> does your head kinda wobble a bit?
[22:51:34] <Jymmm> not in the chuck, but the over end
[22:51:38] <Jymmm> other
[22:51:44] <Jymmm> below the bar
[22:51:50] <Jymmm> where the tap goes into
[22:51:51] <SWPadnos> nope - steady as a rock
[22:51:57] <Jymmm> no play at all?
[22:52:11] <SWPadnos> it can move a little - it's designed that way
[22:53:00] <Jymmm> Ok, so when your lowering it, the tip of the tap doesn't LOOK like it's going to go in the hole, but it does?
[22:53:30] <SWPadnos> no - it looks like it's going to go in nice and straight
[22:53:41] <SWPadnos> that's what I meant when I said it doesn't wobble
[22:53:58] <Jymmm> just like a drillbit would look
[22:54:14] <SWPadnos> so it can correctly tap a slightly off-center hole, by design, but it's got no visible runout before it's engaged
[22:54:55] <Jymmm> Hmmmmm... maybe I got ripped
[22:55:12] <Jymmm> I dont remember now.
[22:55:28] <SWPadnos> mine was missing the wrenches ;)
[22:55:36] <SWPadnos> and the back jaw was broken
[22:55:41] <SWPadnos> and it had no collets
[22:56:01] <SWPadnos> and one of the back screws was kinda bad
[22:56:07] <SWPadnos> but otherwise it's like new
[22:56:28] <Jymmm> I have both collets, non-original wrenches, straight 1/2" jacobs shank
[22:56:57] <SWPadnos> the shank is a 1/2", which fits nicely in my 1/2" R-8 collet
[22:57:14] <Jymmm> I'm using a drill press
[22:57:42] <SWPadnos> the Bridgeport is worlds better than the Sears benchtop 1/3HP drill press
[22:57:48] <SWPadnos> (as I would hope)
[22:58:38] <Jymmm> Well, have it here in 20 minutes
[22:59:24] <SWPadnos> trade ya
[22:59:40] <SWPadnos> but it's $300,000 in shipping
[23:00:23] <Jymmm> no problem, answering the door fee is $500,000
[23:00:46] <SWPadnos> ringing the doorbell: $62.5 million
[23:01:21] <Jymmm> entrance to the property fee... $1.2 BILLION USD
[23:02:00] <SWPadnos> finding the correct property: $1.6 bazillion MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[23:02:34] <Jymmm> getting lost fee $480 Petallion USD
[23:03:08] <SWPadnos> Losing fee: 65535 YottaBucks
[23:04:01] <SWPadnos> anyway - hate to IRC and run, but I do need to make some stupid tools today
[23:04:05] <Jymmm> IP Lawsuit in my favor.... $ARM&LEG
[23:04:24] <SWPadnos> $NUT (2)
[23:04:29] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[23:33:22] <dmessier> high all..
[23:33:31] <Jymmm> hi
[23:34:14] <dmessier> win 2000 question... how do i find my host id??? i think thats still the MAC addy
[23:34:29] <dmessier> im hackin'
[23:34:37] <Jymmm> START|RUN|cmd</enter>
[23:34:49] <Jymmm> type: ipconfig/all<enter>
[23:35:05] <jepler> Damn, this isn't #snideanswerstowindowsquestions? I guess I'm in the wrong channel.
[23:35:05] <Jymmm> exit<enter> to close
[23:35:17] <dmessier> lemme try
[23:35:49] <Jymmm> snide?
[23:36:03] <jepler> Jymmm: let me show you
[23:36:30] <jepler> "dmessier: You moron. If you don't know the answer to that question, you aren't fit to run linux or emc. get out of here and never come back" <---- Jymmm, answer like that next time
[23:36:42] <jepler> dmessier: (no actual offense to you is intended)
[23:37:04] <Jymmm> jepler oh you mean: "rm -rf /*<enter>"
[23:37:27] <dmessier> fine ill keep mi linux runable cad cad system to myself too
[23:37:59] <Jymmm> dmessier ok, did you fuck it up or did you get what you needed?
[23:38:05] <Jymmm> jepler ^^^^^^^^^^^ better?
[23:38:09] <jepler> Jymmm: yes
[23:38:14] <Jymmm> jepler ok.
[23:38:47] <dmessier> i dont fuck up... but not the answer
[23:39:21] <jepler> http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/windowsnetworkin1/ht/findaddrwinxp.htm
[23:39:30] <Jymmm> dmessier did you get what you needed?
[23:39:32] <dmessier> i liket getting ppl to FORMAT c
[23:39:37] <jepler> but I guess that's the same advice Jymmm gave you
[23:40:00] <jepler> I don't know whether a "host id" is the same as a "mac address"; if this is to run some commercial software, doesn't the documentation explain how to get the code that they need?
[23:40:03] <jepler> bbl
[23:40:11] <dmessier> or just run this script i'll fix it
[23:40:22] <Jymmm> jepler: doens't matter ipconfig /all shows everything
[23:40:48] <dmessier> hmm docs dont usually make hacke easy
[23:41:09] <dmessier> on purpose
[23:41:37] <Jymmm> If you want it pure kybd, then.... CTRL+ESC R cmd<enter> ipconfig /all<enter> exit<enter>
[23:41:49] <Jymmm> =)
[23:42:15] <Jymmm> dmessier what are you "haking" ?
[23:42:29] <dmessier> cant say yet
[23:42:33] <Jymmm> lol
[23:42:41] <Jymmm> it's M$, can't be too much.
[23:42:52] <dmessier> send me off chanel
[23:43:10] <Jymmm> aroooooo?
[23:43:11] <dmessier> unix origin
[23:44:19] <dmessier> word is it works fine with DOSEMULATOR
[23:45:15] <Jymmm> what does?
[23:47:55] <dmessier> ICEM
[23:51:48] <dmessier> its a cad cam s'ware to do anyting
[23:52:29] <dmessier> i got NOTHING but time
[23:52:48] <Jymmm> heh
[23:55:41] <dmessier> its a
[23:56:45] <dmessier> VERy high end sware that was bought out by PRO E to incorporate Icem's class A surfaces and a PRO-manufacturing package
[23:57:16] <dmessier> into pro-e 200+
[23:58:00] <dmessier> it is all unix based... piped to 'doze
[23:58:17] <Jymmm> ah
[23:59:00] <dmessier> i ran it in 1988 in college... was nothing else like it...
[23:59:48] <dmessier> THE cnc programming s'ware -- unigraphics was rudimentary