#emc | Logs for 2006-03-14

[00:00:03] <bill2or3> let me know when you can talk about said invention, I'm curious.
[00:00:19] <giacus> :D
[00:00:22] <les_w> I do hope to be able to use some emc2 components in factory automation.
[00:00:50] <les_w> working name is the fingerburner. Can't talk till it issues sadly
[00:01:34] <les_w> USPTO has been dog slow lately
[00:02:31] <anonimasu> :)
[00:02:52] <bill2or3> heh, you invented my soldering iron?
[00:03:03] <les_w> haha
[00:03:29] <anonimasu> :)
[00:03:52] <les_w> well, back to packing. I'll try to get on irc from up there.
[00:04:22] <bill2or3> take care.
[00:04:27] <anonimasu> enjoy your trie
[00:04:28] <anonimasu> trip
[00:04:32] <les_w> tx later
[00:04:35] <giacus> les_w: bye
[00:48:23] <Jymm> "Only two things come from Texas, and you dont have any horns."
[00:49:05] <skunkworks> hey - your missing a m
[00:57:28] <gene> Hello all;
[00:58:08] <gene> Question: Has anyone updated the application info for the G2 and G3 commands recently?
[00:59:06] <gene> And if so, where might i find more uptodate info, compared to the rs-274 pdf I printed last fall.
[01:02:43] <cradek> what do you mean application info?
[01:05:39] <skunkworks> g2 and 3 are standard as far as I know. Incrimental I,j,k also r.
[01:06:23] <skunkworks> http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyehZFhZEGfYAgVBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1MGtoM3M1BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANERjA1Xzc-/SIG=143t03tgv/EXP=1142384601/**http%3a//www.centroidcnc.com/dealersupport/downloads/822mseries_c12.pdf%23search='g2%2520g3%2520examples%2520cnc'
[01:06:57] <skunkworks> centrod but has some good examples of g2 and 3
[01:07:04] <gene> There is no precise description of the various IJK, R etc in the command description. I'm thinking R=radius of cut, but its not working that way at all.
[01:07:47] <skunkworks> sorry www.centroidcnc.com/dealersupport/downloads/822mseries_c12.pdf
[01:08:11] <cradek> gene: http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/personnel/kramer/pubs/RS274NGC_3.web/RS274NGC_33a.html#1002442
[01:10:01] <gene> But I just found, in a different section, a better description that might help me
[01:11:40] <gene> The first link from skunkworks looks like what I have already. And so does the next link from cradek
[01:11:57] <skunkworks> mine has pictures ;)
[01:13:05] <gene> My confusion stems from a 'there ought to be" a way to have it start where its at, and cut an arc of so many degrees or radians, cw or ccw, with a radius R, but thats not how it works
[01:13:49] <cradek> since that doesn't exactly specify the endpoint, I think the gcode designers probably thought these other formats better
[01:13:49] <gene> So does mine I think.
[01:14:28] <cradek> with both endpoints AND a radius, you have a fully-specified arc (actually there are two of them - you select which one using +- radius)
[01:14:43] <gene> Well, It sounds like a heck of a good idea to add a var D for degrees to travel from present location now doesn't it?
[01:15:19] <cradek> well, not in my opinion, but I suspect your question was rhetorical
[01:15:45] <cradek> (for the reason I stated above)
[01:16:28] <gene> Yup, and one line I tried cut a nice arc, but wrong side out! And, no, it really wasn't rhetorical. If that was done then it would be the total end of the endpoint rqadius doesn't match errors.
[01:16:40] <skunkworks> never used r as it was not on the machine I originally learned on. So i,j,k is my way.
[01:17:13] <gene> Also, I got into a following error today and finally had to ghive up and restart the program and refind my locations on a half done part.
[01:17:33] <gene> Where the 0,0 location had already been removed...
[01:17:42] <cradek> that sucks
[01:19:08] <gene> Yup, & wasted half an hour during which time it moved the x (virtual, not actual) by about 20% more than the move I'd commanded from the mdi line, but the table inly moved maybe 10% of that.
[01:19:46] <gene> thats half an hour of hitting F2, enter, etc...
[01:20:14] <skunkworks> I have had issues with an estop (f1) while moving and when taking it out of estop I would get a following error that would repeat
[01:20:33] <cradek> there was a bug about that in the tracker - jmk marked it fixed, but I think it's broken again
[01:20:34] <skunkworks> is f1 estop? I forget
[01:20:38] <gene> Anyway, now that I've found that variable table and its descritions, maybe I can make it work.
[01:20:46] <cradek> let's remember to talk to him about it next time he's around.
[01:21:31] <gene> Thats certainly what happened to me I think, altho I've had other following errros that would clear in one or 2 cycles of the f2,enter keys
[01:22:01] <gene> Since I built it, what 2 days ago?
[01:22:03] <cradek> yes to abort you should hit esc, not f1
[01:22:21] <skunkworks> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1390123&group_id=6744&atid=106744
[01:22:49] <gene> I didn't, the machine itself developed a following error at about x=0 on its way to the image position on the other side of the part
[01:23:13] <cradek> if you can reproduce the following error, I'm interested
[01:23:29] <cradek> sometimes you can isolate it by trimming all the irrelevant lines out of the program
[01:23:35] <gene> About a 2.5 inch move IIrC, and it died almost smack in the middle of it.
[01:24:42] <gene> That was from the mdi entry, it was sitting at x=1.640 and I told it to g1f75x-1.640
[01:25:15] <cradek> if you can reproduce it, please get me your machine config and a sample program that causes it
[01:25:18] <gene> With the feedrate override sitting at 90
[01:26:14] <gene> I will if I don't get this going before the night is over. Right now I need to go check out what I've learned
[01:26:25] <cradek> ok
[01:26:27] <gene> back later, or tomorrow guys, thanks
[01:28:38] <cradek> well I'm running TESTING-03-12 on my machine now...
[01:28:58] <cradek> tort.ngc is very ... musical
[01:48:37] <skunkworks> I bet. ;)
[01:50:57] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[02:12:10] <giacus> gulp
[02:12:22] <giacus> 900 watts for X axis
[02:12:59] <SWPadnos> sounds about right
[02:13:12] <giacus> 8 kg
[02:13:26] <SWPadnos> actually, I could put 1350W continuous, or close to 6000W peak
[02:13:33] <SWPadnos> into any of my axis motors
[02:13:47] <giacus> wow
[02:14:14] <SWPadnos> too bad they're $900+ each to replace :(
[02:14:40] <giacus> that's the right price too :(
[02:14:44] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:14:49] <SWPadnos> http://www.clickautomation.com/products/index.php?func=show&pid=2036&cid=300
[02:14:49] <giacus> :P
[02:15:02] <SWPadnos> luckily, I got a set of 3 for $325
[02:15:10] <SWPadnos> with only one bad encoder
[02:15:32] <giacus> uhm
[02:15:37] <SWPadnos> (which would have been $450 to replace, but I got some smaller motors with the same one, and swapped)
[02:15:51] <giacus> you have just one motor on X right ?
[02:16:10] <SWPadnos> yup
[02:16:13] <SWPadnos> phone ...
[02:21:14] <giacus> that motor could be nice
[02:22:57] <giacus> but inertia for my motor should be around .000593 Kg M^2
[02:23:45] <giacus> where that is 1,58179 Kg M^2
[02:24:39] <giacus> If I did the right inertia conversion
[02:25:37] <giacus> lb-in-s2 -> kg M^2
[02:25:53] <giacus> :(
[02:52:57] <giacus> * giacus sigh
[02:53:32] <giacus> cant find any with that low inertia around
[04:54:58] <SWPadnos> damn - I was about to go to bed ;)
[04:55:07] <SWPadnos> err - Hi, Gene
[04:55:28] <gene> Howdy Stephan
[04:55:54] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos spells it Stephen, but what the hey :)
[04:56:23] <gene> Hows your headache.now that the headache is back, ahh, Stephen, well, I WAS in teh ballpark
[04:56:35] <SWPadnos> yep - very close
[04:56:40] <SWPadnos> Steve also works for me ;)
[04:56:47] <gene> I see
[04:57:05] <SWPadnos> anyway - how are you this eve?
[04:57:49] <gene> I'm beginning to think there is a sign problem in the g2/g3 code someplace, I've gone thru 3 beers, what do you think
[04:57:59] <SWPadnos> it could be the beer
[04:58:07] <gene> But its taken me 4 hours to do that too...
[04:58:38] <SWPadnos> oh
[04:59:02] <gene> Anyway, I can carve and arc on one side of a circle, reverse it to start at the same point and carve it going the other way for the same distance
[04:59:28] <gene> to carve a curve on the end of a steel plate about 2x3"
[04:59:34] <SWPadnos> using i,j,k?
[04:59:46] <gene> No, R
[05:00:00] <SWPadnos> hmm - I need to look up R
[05:00:22] <gene> but there appears to be no way to goto the far side of the circle and carve a mirror of the first curve
[05:00:48] <SWPadnos> for example, doing a full circle by making two mirror-image halves?
[05:01:15] <gene> R is the radius of the circle, but somehow the anchor point for that circle isn't terribly clear in the 274 manual
[05:01:40] <SWPadnos> lemme take a look, and see if I can parse it our
[05:01:53] <gene> No, the clamps and such are in the way, plus the steel does go that far in the x directions anyway.
[05:02:12] <gene> pastebin or here
[05:02:28] <SWPadnos> oh - you can pastebin the code. I'll read the Kramer doc
[05:02:35] <gene> Ok
[05:03:18] <gene> It''l take a min, I'm not even logged in out there, and apt-get won't let me install mozilla*
[05:03:27] <SWPadnos> no biggie
[05:03:38] <SWPadnos> try firefox of some sort
[05:06:05] <gene> I tried that too, and pastebin.com isn't responding, doi I have it right?
[05:06:22] <SWPadnos> yep - lemme check it here
[05:06:58] <SWPadnos> ok, they seem to be having trouble. just paste a few lines in here
[05:08:16] <gene> Theres about 45 lines
[05:08:26] <SWPadnos> are they all significant?
[05:08:38] <SWPadnos> or can you show me one that works, and another that doesn't?
[05:08:54] <gene> Pretty much, yeah probably
[05:09:19] <gene> #1 = -0.155
[05:09:30] <gene> #2 = 0.002
[05:09:45] <gene> #3 = -1.640
[05:10:03] <gene> This is a pain, I'll do it in 10 line hunks
[05:10:12] <SWPadnos> go for it
[05:10:24] <gene> #1 = -0.155
[05:10:26] <gene> (depth of z cut)
[05:10:28] <gene> #2 = 0.002
[05:10:30] <gene> (increment of z advance per cycle)
[05:10:31] <gene> #3 = -1.640
[05:10:33] <gene> (radius of cut and y pos at start)
[05:10:35] <gene> #4 = 1.640
[05:10:37] <gene> #5 = 0.0
[05:10:39] <gene> #6 = 1.327
[05:10:40] <gene> (end of x travel per cut this direction)
[05:10:42] <gene> #7 = -1.327
[05:10:43] <gene> (end of x cut this direction)
[05:10:45] <gene> #8 = 1.0123
[05:10:47] <gene> (end of y cut this direction)
[05:10:49] <gene> #9 = -1.0123
[05:10:51] <gene> (end of y cut this direction)
[05:10:54] <gene> These set the vars up. The comment is below each
[05:11:09] <SWPadnos> ok
[05:11:22] <gene> G1 F60 x0 y0 z0
[05:11:24] <gene> o001 do
[05:11:26] <gene> G1F50 Y#4 X0.0
[05:11:28] <gene> G1 Z#5
[05:11:29] <gene> G2 G17 X#6 Y#8 R#4
[05:11:31] <gene> G1 Z0.1
[05:11:33] <gene> #5 = [ #5 - #2 ]
[05:11:35] <gene> o001 WHILE [ #5 GT #1 ]
[05:11:37] <gene> #5 = 0.0
[05:11:47] <gene> First loop, carves right rear corner ok
[05:11:58] <SWPadnos> ok
[05:12:20] <gene> o002 do
[05:12:22] <gene> G1 Y#4 X0.0
[05:12:24] <gene> G1 Z#5
[05:12:26] <gene> G3 G17 X#7 Y#8 R#4
[05:12:28] <gene> G1 z0.1
[05:12:29] <gene> #5 = [ #5 - #2 ]
[05:12:31] <gene> o002 WHILE [ #5 GT #1 ]
[05:12:33] <gene> G1 X0.0
[05:12:35] <gene> #5 = 0.0
[05:12:36] <gene> G1 Z0.1
[05:12:38] <gene> G1 Y#3
[05:12:40] <gene> second loop, moves to start of third on at the end
[05:14:02] <gene> o003 do
[05:14:04] <gene> G1 Y#3 X0.0
[05:14:06] <gene> G1 Z#5
[05:14:08] <gene> G2 G17 X#7 Y#9 J#3
[05:14:10] <gene> G1F80Z0.1
[05:14:11] <gene> #5 = [ #5 -#2 ]
[05:14:14] <gene> o003 WHILE [ #5 GT #1 ]
[05:14:42] <gene> And this one has been subjected to the million monkeys theory without results.
[05:14:48] <SWPadnos> that last one was a j, not R - is that intentional?
[05:14:51] <SWPadnos> ok
[05:15:09] <SWPadnos> these havea common center point, right?
[05:15:12] <SWPadnos> have a
[05:15:31] <gene> Yeah, I've tried one thing at a time now for the last 3 hours. Yes, the common center point is x0y0
[05:15:52] <SWPadnos> no it isn't
[05:16:10] <SWPadnos> err - maybe. lemme think about it a bit
[05:16:26] <SWPadnos> (I'm doing this in my head - no emc machine running at the moment)
[05:16:50] <SWPadnos> so, do loops 1 and 2 both work, and 3 is the only bad one?
[05:17:57] <gene> The 0,0 point is the exact center of this plate, yes, 1 and 2 work fine, the best I can get out of 3 is abiut a 330 degree circle centered on about -3 for xy
[05:18:24] <SWPadnos> ok. one sec, I'm cleaning up the code and putting it into a file to make it easier to look at ;)
[05:18:59] <gene> And if I can get 3 working, then 4 by the same method by just flipping the x direction
[05:21:10] <SWPadnos> I think the center point isn't at 0,0
[05:21:25] <gene> Its intended to be
[05:21:29] <SWPadnos> you start at X#4, which is 1.327 (or -1.327, for X#5)
[05:21:36] <SWPadnos> the radius is 1.640
[05:21:40] <gene> yes
[05:21:45] <SWPadnos> since Y is 0, the center isn't at 0,0
[05:21:52] <gene> x at the start should be 0.0
[05:21:59] <gene> for any cut
[05:22:11] <SWPadnos> sorry - Y is 1.327, X is 0
[05:22:31] <SWPadnos> but (0,1.327) isn't on a circle of radius 1.640 centered at (0,0)
[05:22:42] <gene> I think that Y is correct, get it from one of the first two loops
[05:22:43] <SWPadnos> it would be (0, +- 1.640)
[05:23:24] <gene> Yes, but the cut is only about a 50 degree cut per loop
[05:23:27] <SWPadnos> are you intending to do quarter circles with each of the loops?
[05:23:29] <SWPadnos> ah
[05:23:38] <gene> Les than that
[05:23:41] <gene> less
[05:23:52] <SWPadnos> still, 0,1.327 isn't on the circle R=1.640
[05:23:56] <SWPadnos> at 0,0
[05:24:49] <gene> But if x=1.327, and y=1.1027 for the end points, with a radius of 1.64 its legal
[05:24:56] <gene> change the signs and its not
[05:25:14] <SWPadnos> you should be able to reflect it across all four quadrants, so sign change should work
[05:25:34] <gene> This is starting with Y=1.64, and X=0.0 at the start of each active cut
[05:25:39] <SWPadnos> but having either ordinate at 0, and the other being something other than R, doesn't work
[05:25:58] <SWPadnos> well - I did say I was about to go to bed ;)
[05:26:01] <gene> works for the first 2
[05:27:09] <SWPadnos> well, that's the "trouble" with the R method - the center point will change based on the R value you give it. as long as R is > 1/2 the distance, you'll get an arc
[05:27:16] <SWPadnos> it might just be the wrong arc ;)
[05:28:41] <gene> That was the trouble when I could get it to show the path in axis, I was either getting an inverted arc, or a near full circle whose center point was about x-4y-4
[05:28:58] <SWPadnos> it's a minor point, but the radius I calculate for those endpoints is 1.669, ont 1.640. the center point may be 30 thou off from 0,0
[05:29:10] <SWPadnos> s/ont/not/
[05:29:44] <gene> Humm, I got those from axis by hand searching for the start-finish.
[05:29:59] <SWPadnos> I'd use a trusty calculator
[05:30:17] <SWPadnos> dX^2 + dY^2 = R^2
[05:30:28] <gene> But I've had the motors get out of step several times & had to re-find the center, probably not dead to the nuts :)
[05:30:51] <SWPadnos> heh - just add 0.030 in X and Y ;)
[05:31:00] <gene> Ok, but isn't R the radius from the starting point?
[05:31:04] <SWPadnos> hmmm - maybe 0.022
[05:31:21] <SWPadnos> yes, and from the endpoint
[05:31:33] <SWPadnos> so it may not be along the axis, as you hope
[05:32:06] <SWPadnos> ie, the center will be pushed down below the X axis line, because the endpoint is a bit "low"
[05:32:28] <SWPadnos> but that also "pulls" it closer to the start point, to keep the radius the same
[05:32:29] <gene> TBT I could subtract another 30 thou or so before it gets too close to the mounting screw holes. These are motor mount plates for that micro-mill
[05:33:13] <SWPadnos> ok, so these are essentially curved slots for screws or something?
[05:34:01] <gene> Humm, yes, I see maybe whats going wrong, and that maybe I need to reset those vars by a few.
[05:34:20] <SWPadnos> what angle are you starting at?
[05:34:26] <SWPadnos> or, ending at
[05:34:40] <SWPadnos> (I guess it's a 0/90/180/270 you're starting at
[05:34:51] <gene> Wouldn't it be simpler to spec the anchor point, say of the Y, while X is currently zero, and then just tell it the X to move to?
[05:35:15] <SWPadnos> that's the ijk method
[05:35:24] <gene> Start is either centered X at +Y or centered X at -Y
[05:35:45] <SWPadnos> hmm - not sure what you mean
[05:36:12] <SWPadnos> but here's an idea. the ijk method does specify the center point, but not the radius
[05:36:29] <SWPadnos> since you always reset to the same start point (but lower in Z), you can use constants for the offset
[05:36:40] <SWPadnos> constant vars, that is, like you're doing now
[05:36:53] <gene> I tried that for about an hour, figureing it would calculate the missing X or Y (but not both) and make the move
[05:37:00] <gene> Yup, thats the idea here.
[05:37:15] <SWPadnos> no, you specify the endpoint X+Y, and I+J
[05:37:25] <SWPadnos> but that's OK too
[05:37:34] <SWPadnos> you calculate one point, and then it's all done
[05:37:43] <SWPadnos> also, I think that I,J are always relative
[05:37:45] <gene> But even if I only gave it the X and I or J, or the Y and I or J, its still an arc ending point error
[05:37:46] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos checks that
[05:38:35] <SWPadnos> ok, say you want to do a 60 degree arc
[05:38:57] <SWPadnos> radius 1.640, starting at Y=-1.640, X=0, center point = 0,0
[05:39:09] <gene> Yes they are, so if I start at Y=-1.64 and give it a J1.64, any old x should work as it just sets the end point, right? 60 is a we bit long, 50 maybe
[05:39:54] <SWPadnos> ok, 50 degrees
[05:40:41] <SWPadnos> those offsets would be 1.054 and 1.256
[05:41:41] <SWPadnos> as an aside, I think you can do something like "Y - #4" - you don't have to define a separate var for the negative value
[05:42:19] <gene> The interpreter seems to complain about that
[05:42:26] <SWPadnos> strange
[05:42:36] <SWPadnos> even with the spaces?
[05:43:06] <SWPadnos> oh, right - you have to do womething like [0-#4]
[05:43:09] <SWPadnos> something
[05:43:15] <gene> Or I wasn't doing it right. Dunno, gave up and just set up 2 vars a couple of weeks ago when i ran into that
[05:43:21] <SWPadnos> heh
[05:43:26] <SWPadnos> that also works
[05:43:53] <gene> Well, its got room for 30 or so I think, and they're re-usable of course
[05:44:11] <SWPadnos> don't know the limit, but they're definitely reusable
[05:44:41] <gene> [0-#4] I'll have to try that
[05:45:02] <SWPadnos> I think that was discussed on one of the mailing lists a while ago
[05:45:10] <gene> Can't see the firest for all these darned tree you know
[05:45:15] <gene> forest
[05:45:20] <SWPadnos> yep
[05:46:02] <gene> Anyway, I'll let you get to bed, I'm headed that way myself as its approachin 1is here
[05:46:10] <SWPadnos> here, too
[05:46:10] <gene> 1ish
[05:46:19] <gene> Whats your 20?
[05:46:24] <SWPadnos> Vermont
[05:46:41] <SWPadnos> same TZ, different latitude ;)
[05:46:47] <gene> Ahh, a wee bit colder but same TZ
[05:47:00] <SWPadnos> it was around 40 today, I think
[05:47:02] <SWPadnos> pretty warm
[05:47:20] <gene> I've been out in a T-shirt, raining cat& dogs here ATM though.
[05:47:32] <SWPadnos> we had a downpour earlier
[05:47:38] <SWPadnos> strange, when we should be getting snow still
[05:48:11] <gene> Thanks Steve, maybe see about this in another day or so, tomorrow I chauffer the missus around bowling
[05:48:28] <SWPadnos> ok. it's corporate tax time, so who knows what I'll be doing ;)
[05:48:42] <SWPadnos> I'll try to take a look though
[05:49:21] <gene> Chuckle, that always seems to play hell with the asprin bottle here...
[05:49:33] <SWPadnos> yeah, and I get it like 6 times a year
[05:49:41] <SWPadnos> S-corps can suck at times
[05:49:49] <gene> And I've got to get to them myself, self employed I take it?
[05:50:03] <SWPadnos> I've got an S-corp I own
[05:50:13] <gene> Whats the S for
[05:50:16] <gene> ?
[05:50:33] <SWPadnos> so I get to do estimated tax 4 times a year on personals, and then the normal tax return, and the corporate return (due March 15)
[05:50:42] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure. "Small", maybe
[05:51:00] <SWPadnos> it's a corporation, with shares and all, but not publically trades
[05:51:02] <SWPadnos> traded
[05:51:06] <gene> Damn, no rest for the weary it seems
[05:51:13] <SWPadnos> in fact, I'm the only shareholder ;)
[05:51:16] <SWPadnos> nope
[05:51:29] <gene> So lets call it a night, thanks
[05:51:38] <SWPadnos> night. any time
[05:51:42] <SWPadnos> see you
[05:51:46] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[05:51:52] <gene> goodnight
[05:52:29] <Jymm> poof!
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[07:18:14] <Jymmmm> hey A-L-P-H-A
[07:59:59] <A-L-P-H-A> ooops
[12:10:07] <anonimasu> yawns*
[12:12:46] <anonimasu> bbl..
[13:15:31] <giacus> morning
[13:16:17] <giacus> wanna listen some very nice song :D
[13:16:22] <giacus> http://www.corriere.it/openxlink.shtml?http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/ben_harper/jukebox/links_intl/
[13:16:40] <giacus> 4 are available online
[13:16:55] <giacus> great artist
[13:18:49] <giacus> sorry ..
[13:18:53] <giacus> this: http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/ben_harper/jukebox/links_intl/
[13:19:10] <giacus> :P
[13:21:24] <giacus> I like morning yearning
[13:51:12] <skunkworks> does it have to insert every tool to get to the one you want?
[13:51:32] <skunkworks> oops
[13:51:53] <skunkworks> (was looking at this http://home.insightbb.com/~joevicar3/default.htm )
[13:59:46] <giacus> lo skunkworks
[13:59:59] <giacus> yeah, its an old page ..
[14:02:49] <giacus> I've some idea about toolchanger
[14:03:21] <giacus> sending the spindle directly up to a place where is the tool
[14:03:32] <giacus> not in that way
[14:06:25] <skunkworks> father had picked up some router quick change holders - they would make a relatively easy tool changer setup.
[14:07:18] <giacus> the question is if emc can drive the toolchanger
[14:07:29] <giacus> les_w: tried something, maybe ..
[14:08:12] <skunkworks> I think it should. with classic ladder and such
[14:08:24] <giacus> but as I saw, I'd prefer to get machine going up to a place where tools are aligned and tale the right tool
[14:08:34] <giacus> take
[14:08:56] <giacus> it maybe could be more simple to get working
[14:12:33] <giacus> without adding more weight on spindle
[14:12:38] <giacus> too ..
[14:13:26] <anonimasu> hm
[14:13:28] <anonimasu> gprs rocks
[14:13:40] <giacus> gprs ?
[14:13:45] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:13:48] <giacus> how fast ?
[14:13:52] <anonimasu> mobile internet ..
[14:13:56] <anonimasu> I dont know
[14:14:00] <anonimasu> plenty for a ssh session
[14:14:11] <anonimasu> about 9kb/s
[14:14:12] <giacus> mm here I got it very slow
[14:14:28] <anonimasu> ok
[14:14:30] <anonimasu> I am at a customer
[14:14:32] <anonimasu> gtg..
[14:14:34] <giacus> Edge or umts worked pretty fine
[14:15:00] <giacus> but 9kb/s
[14:15:03] <giacus> are ok
[14:15:24] <giacus> I was going at 1-3 Kb/s here
[14:29:30] <fenn> giacus: you know about the units command right?
[14:29:42] <fenn> units .014*lb*in*s^2
[14:30:05] <giacus> hi fenn
[14:30:18] <giacus> very little ..
[14:30:31] <giacus> I just used inertia converter for that
[14:30:45] <giacus> Im not familiar with that :(
[14:31:09] <fenn> if you don't have units, i highly recommend downloading it
[14:31:19] <fenn> good for all sorts of back-of-the-napkin calculations
[14:31:26] <fenn> and you dont even need a napkin
[14:32:43] <giacus> yeah, right
[14:33:01] <giacus> I've the specifications for motors I need to build my next machine
[14:33:25] <giacus> the difficult I'm having is to find very low inertia dc motors
[14:33:44] <fenn> the ones swp has were pretty close
[14:33:50] <fenn> 0.00016129745 kg m s^2
[14:34:23] <fenn> hm those are much lower even
[14:34:44] <fenn> but $900 is a lot for just a motor
[14:35:07] <giacus> thats not a problem for me now
[14:35:19] <giacus> I know the prices :(
[14:35:34] <giacus> but I have to find the right type
[14:36:38] <giacus> model
[14:37:05] <giacus> Im a bit limited with the drivers
[14:37:08] <giacus> G340
[14:38:02] <fenn> http://www.baldor.com/products/servomotors/dc_servomotor/dc_servo_spec.asp?CatalogNumber=MTE-4090-BLBCE
[14:38:05] <fenn> http://cgi.ebay.com/BALDOR-PERMANENT-MAGNET-SERVO-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ7598901737QQcategoryZ25292QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[14:39:12] <giacus> the first seems to high inertia
[14:39:25] <fenn> no way
[14:39:31] <fenn> it's the same motor
[14:39:38] <fenn> units .024*lb*in*s^2
[14:39:38] <fenn> Definition: 0.00027650991 kg m s^2
[14:40:03] <fenn> that's 1/25 the inertia you're shooting for
[14:40:26] <giacus> uhm
[14:40:36] <giacus> Im missing something then ..
[14:40:46] <fenn> you need .005 kg*m*s^2 right?
[14:40:53] <giacus> reading at nertia Lb-In-s2 (Kg-cm2): 0.024 (27.14)
[14:41:20] <fenn> cm^2 means you divide by 100 twice
[14:41:25] <giacus> feen look here http://giacus.altervista.org/emc/newmachine.html
[14:41:40] <giacus> latest table in the bottom
[14:41:57] <giacus> these are the inertia value we calculated with les_w
[14:42:16] <giacus> for X: .000593 Kg M^2
[14:42:29] <fenn> hrm.. lemme look up how to convert kg*m^2 to kg*m*s^2
[14:45:25] <fenn> ahhh 1 kg*m^2/1G = kg*m*s^2/9.8
[14:45:38] <giacus> simulating it with motioneering, it gave me just one motor compatible
[14:45:44] <fenn> bah
[14:45:50] <giacus> from danaher database
[14:45:51] <fenn> motioneering is a marketing tool, don't you know that?
[14:45:59] <giacus> I know
[14:46:23] <giacus> thats what les_w used to calculate anything
[14:46:45] <fenn> ok so that baldor motor has an inertia of .0027 kg*m^2
[14:46:51] <giacus> I'm not familiar with motioneering
[14:46:52] <fenn> which is still half of what you're shooting for
[14:47:18] <giacus> oh ..
[14:47:23] <giacus> so should be ok ?
[14:47:37] <fenn> i just picked a motor that looked long and skinny :)
[14:48:01] <fenn> 500L encoder is enough?
[14:48:09] <giacus> I think so
[14:48:26] <giacus> assuming g340 also have steps multiplier
[14:48:35] <giacus> but should be ttl
[14:48:44] <fenn> oh it's a step servo?
[14:48:48] <fenn> i hate those things
[14:48:55] <giacus> yeah ..
[14:49:24] <giacus> step/dir driving
[14:49:39] <fenn> whatever floats your boat
[14:50:01] <fenn> anyway, i bet there are a lot of good motors on ebay
[14:50:54] <giacus> so .. .0027
[14:50:59] <giacus> ops
[14:51:01] <giacus> .0027
[14:51:05] <giacus> damn
[14:51:07] <giacus> sorry
[14:51:49] <giacus> .0027 Kg M^2 inertia is less than .000593 Kg M^2
[14:51:52] <giacus> ?
[14:52:31] <fenn> eh whoops
[14:52:35] <giacus> you sayd half , right?
[14:52:46] <fenn> earlier you said .005 kgm^2
[14:54:10] <fenn> aww i was wrong you said .0005
[14:54:22] <giacus> yeah
[14:54:47] <giacus> I was found .0028 inertia motors time ago ..
[14:55:06] <giacus> that is a lot
[14:55:29] <fenn> it's going to be tough to find those motors i guess
[14:55:40] <giacus> i'd increase the torque
[14:55:48] <giacus> or use pinion
[14:56:04] <giacus> to get same results as I expect
[14:56:09] <fenn> how would that help?
[14:56:24] <giacus> for what les_w sayd to me,
[14:56:34] <fenn> i thought gearing down made the inertia worse
[14:56:35] <giacus> higher inertia motor need more torque
[14:56:49] <fenn> i think he means motor torque
[14:56:53] <giacus> yeah
[14:56:58] <giacus> exact
[14:57:35] <giacus> and infact, its very very hard to find that motor ..
[14:57:59] <giacus> the only model I found is no more in production
[14:58:12] <giacus> at very low inertia
[14:58:24] <fenn> well, before you drop a couple $K read this paper http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~repanich/Technical_Tools/The Myth of Inertia Matching.pdf
[14:58:33] <giacus> K
[15:05:36] <giacus> tnx
[15:05:38] <giacus> :)
[15:06:25] <fenn> the other papers in that directory are worth reading too
[15:06:45] <giacus> yeah, looking..
[15:16:38] <anonimasu> iab
[15:16:43] <fenn> wb
[15:16:57] <giacus> later guys
[15:17:04] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[15:19:43] <anonimasu> thanks
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[15:53:37] <giacus_afk> giacus_afk is now known as giacus
[16:25:42] <cncuser> hello :)
[16:26:36] <cncuser> THEY terminated my internetconnection :( at least for a month :(
[16:26:39] <cncuser> any news ?
[16:57:48] <cncuser> ok, im reachable via email. check it daily. bye
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[17:50:46] <sed_> where is a good place to get servo motors? I see stepper moters every where but not so much servo.
[17:55:10] <fenn> i was pointing out some decent servos on ebay earlier
[17:55:25] <fenn> but giacus won't listen to me :P
[17:55:34] <giacus> hey fenn :)
[17:55:47] <giacus> which country ?
[17:55:59] <fenn> us
[17:56:39] <fenn> hey shouldn't we have a witty catchphrase in the topic like all the cool channels?
[17:57:01] <giacus> they ship ouside of US too ?
[17:57:07] <giacus> already seen ?
[17:57:36] <fenn> says will ship to united states
[17:57:52] <fenn> i bet most people would ship international if you asked first
[17:58:07] <giacus> got the lonik ?
[17:58:10] <giacus> link*
[17:58:16] <giacus> let me try ..
[17:58:26] <fenn> http://cgi.ebay.com/BALDOR-PERMANENT-MAGNET-SERVO-MOTOR_W0QQitemZ7598901737QQcategoryZ25292QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[17:58:57] <SWP_Away> hey - that's my motor
[17:59:08] <fenn> yah pretty much
[17:59:24] <SWP_Away> no, I mean don't buy it, I want it ;)
[17:59:52] <fenn> rofl
[18:00:31] <giacus> coulde be nice :)
[18:00:31] <fenn> this one's abou twice as big as your others
[18:00:36] <SWP_Away> of course, they want $25 in handling fees, so that knocks a lot of people out of the running
[18:00:49] <SWP_Away> fenn, mine?
[18:00:58] <fenn> yeah
[18:00:59] <giacus> not sure if it fit my needs ..
[18:01:13] <SWP_Away> I don't think so. the others are MTE-4070, 28 in-lb
[18:01:23] <SWP_Away> these are the 40 in-lb version, I think
[18:01:31] <fenn> swp you aren't gonna do something dumb like waste a fancy motor like that on moving a knee up and down are you?
[18:01:36] <giacus> I was looking with a certain interest to nre generation servodisc motors
[18:01:42] <giacus> new*
[18:01:46] <SWP_Away> one never knows ;)
[18:02:11] <SWP_Away> actually, I'd just like to have a spare that has the right connector on it
[18:03:02] <giacus> TORQUE VOLTAGE 150 VDC.
[18:03:14] <giacus> mean 150V are needed to get full torque ?
[18:03:26] <SWP_Away> no, 13A are needed
[18:03:32] <giacus> oh, ok
[18:03:38] <fenn> 150V to get full speed
[18:03:41] <SWP_Away> the voltage der\termines speed
[18:03:55] <giacus> looking for max rpm
[18:04:07] <SWP_Away> actually, this is probably like my motors, which are 2500RPM, and 40V/kRPM
[18:04:18] <giacus> could be ok
[18:04:27] <giacus> where i'll use only 1000
[18:04:29] <SWP_Away> the coil resistance is around 1 ohm
[18:04:51] <SWP_Away> the voltage spec allows for full peak torque at full speed, with a little headroom
[18:05:10] <giacus> mm
[18:05:34] <giacus> wonders how long is the life of a motor like that running 24H /day ..
[18:06:03] <SWP_Away> you can't really use full torque at full speed, because that would ted to acelerate past full speed ;)
[18:06:32] <giacus> SWP_Away: is your machine moving gantry ?
[18:06:43] <SWP_Away> but you can run the motors continuously at 2500RPM, 13A (whatever that torque is), forever (given that the cooling keeps it within the temperature spec)
[18:06:48] <SWP_Away> nope, Bridgeport
[18:08:16] <giacus> well, Ive some few days to think up
[18:08:26] <giacus> that motor looks nice
[18:10:53] <giacus> I also have a big motor here ..
[18:12:24] <giacus> this: http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/img000.jpeg.html
[18:12:46] <giacus> but i dont know specifications about it ..
[18:13:01] <fenn> giacus: you could have been making parts all this time instead of saving up for the perfect motor
[18:13:21] <giacus> fenn: I know ..
[18:13:44] <giacus> first target should be a very fast machine
[18:14:00] <SWP_Away> that's a model 0703?
[18:14:04] <giacus> i really don't want a 'normal' machine
[18:14:13] <giacus> SWP_Away: yeah
[18:14:19] <SWP_Away> ask Jon Elson for info, I think he has ElectroCraft spec sheets
[18:14:20] <Jymmm> giacus cus you aint normal!
[18:14:27] <giacus> EC
[18:14:35] <giacus> Jymmm: hehe
[18:14:51] <SWP_Away> ok. see you guys later
[18:15:08] <giacus> later SWP_Away
[18:16:15] <giacus> Jymmm: I fear I chossed wrong drivers too
[18:16:25] <giacus> for what I want to do ..
[18:17:09] <Jymmm> ah, bummer.
[18:17:39] <fenn> you still have the receipt right? :)
[18:17:47] <Jymmm> giacus: Do you realize all the time and effort other the months that you've put into drivers, you could have bought geckos and been done with that?
[18:18:10] <giacus> Jymmm: thats what I bought months ago ..
[18:18:20] <giacus> cant you see it on the pic ?
[18:18:26] <giacus> 3 G340
[18:18:34] <giacus> waiting .. to work
[18:19:10] <giacus> but, for very hish performance motors are maybe poor
[18:19:11] <bill2or3> bleh
[18:19:18] <giacus> high*
[18:19:25] <bill2or3> anyone using a little mini-itx machine to run emc on?
[18:19:51] <bill2or3> I think I may buy new gear instead of building one from old parts.
[18:20:53] <giacus> Jymmm: slides arent a problem too
[18:21:05] <giacus> what is breaking me are the damn motors
[18:21:39] <giacus> I need les help to solve this enigma ..
[18:21:54] <bill2or3> didn't he leave on a trip?
[18:22:02] <giacus> I dont want to lost anything in terms of performance
[18:23:01] <giacus> first of all, can't find a big motor for X with so low inertia as calculations would be
[18:23:34] <giacus> second point, i'm limited do DC servos, 80 V, 20 A
[18:24:30] <giacus> latest chance could be to sell the geckos I already have and buy a complete servosystem
[18:24:50] <giacus> but, so, it could be out of my budget
[18:25:05] <Jymmm> giacus: Ah, didn't realize you finally got geckos.
[18:25:33] <giacus> Jymmm: already erad ben harper ? :P
[18:25:37] <giacus> http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/ben_harper/jukebox/links_intl/
[18:25:46] <giacus> good sound from california
[18:25:55] <giacus> I love Morning Yearning
[18:26:36] <giacus> eard today for the first time
[18:27:31] <giacus> tomorrow evening I should go to see Keith B. Brown here
[18:28:19] <giacus> for the weeekand comes anna.. and we stop to work :/
[18:28:36] <giacus> I have to solve this isse soon
[18:29:29] <fenn> are the geckos rated to run 80V bus voltage?
[18:29:44] <giacus> max voltage is 80
[18:29:47] <fenn> or is 80 the maximum voltage
[18:30:03] <giacus> max, for what I know
[18:30:24] <giacus> power supply
[18:30:28] <giacus> 18-80 V
[18:32:29] <giacus> they also have step multiplier that could be usefull in some case..
[18:32:39] <giacus> I choosed G340 for that
[18:37:06] <giacus> and my cousin is working to build the plasma table base
[18:37:16] <giacus> he'll use my steppers
[18:37:21] <giacus> and emc2 ;P
[18:38:02] <fenn> don't plasma have to move really fast?
[18:38:09] <giacus> nope ..
[18:38:18] <giacus> steppers I've are enough
[18:38:27] <fenn> for thin sheets
[18:38:27] <giacus> the issue is another
[18:38:34] <giacus> the toolpath
[18:38:41] <giacus> and the start ..
[18:38:59] <giacus> he have a very nice plasma cutter
[18:39:10] <giacus> cut up to 40 mm mild steel
[18:39:29] <giacus> could do very nice jobs
[18:39:49] <fenn> but if you're cutting thin metal you have to go faster
[18:39:58] <giacus> probably
[18:40:04] <giacus> dunno ..
[18:40:38] <giacus> max speed I reached without issue is around 28 inches/min
[18:40:57] <giacus> with the router
[18:41:05] <fenn> but you will put nice ballscrews on it right?
[18:41:17] <fenn> er, fast pitch ballscrews
[18:41:40] <giacus> mm he already have some nice leadscrew
[18:41:50] <giacus> but he's looking for straps
[18:41:53] <giacus> or ..
[18:42:06] <giacus> a system with a 'wire'
[18:42:36] <fenn> bleh
[18:43:04] <giacus> robin_sz sayd he likes igus
[18:43:08] <giacus> slides
[18:43:09] <fenn> i guess you can get really high ratios that way
[18:43:17] <giacus> how ?
[18:43:36] <giacus> think at inkjet printer system
[18:43:41] <giacus> is slow ?
[18:43:44] <bill2or3> with pulleys?
[18:43:54] <giacus> bill2or3: probably
[18:43:57] <giacus> yes
[18:44:19] <bill2or3> neat.
[18:44:24] <giacus> fenn: theyre slow with leadscrew I think
[18:44:51] <fenn> i meant low ratio i guess
[18:44:56] <fenn> anyway..
[18:45:37] <fenn> have you seen hektor.ch ?
[18:45:59] <giacus> yeah
[18:46:13] <giacus> interesting
[18:46:30] <giacus> but the driver system seems to be unknowed
[18:46:34] <giacus> closed maybe ..
[18:47:49] <giacus> dinner call .. later
[18:47:57] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[18:48:57] <fenn> ugh scriptographer has such a horrible website
[18:49:48] <fenn> it looks very linuxy for a mac program
[19:25:18] <jepler> holy crap that's the worst website EVAR
[19:25:39] <alex_joni> hello
[19:25:43] <alex_joni> jepler: which one?
[19:26:08] <jepler> alex_joni: http://www.scriptographer.com/
[19:26:57] <alex_joni> eeew
[19:27:33] <alex_joni> "Your browser is not able to show this content directly. This webpage was optimized for Mozila and Internet Explorer
[19:28:07] <jepler> lucky you
[19:28:11] <jepler> I had to see the content
[19:33:21] <giacus> hey TorbaX
[19:33:36] <giacus> duello berlusconi - prodi on tv ? :P
[19:34:31] <TorbaX> giacus: yes at 9:00PM
[19:34:36] <TorbaX> RAI1 tv
[19:34:42] <giacus> yeah.. looking
[19:34:49] <TorbaX> :P
[19:36:32] <giacus> * giacus smoke
[19:36:35] <giacus> poff poff
[19:36:38] <giacus> :D
[19:38:08] <giacus> hey guys here we're ready for the first fight berlu
[19:38:25] <giacus> berlusconi-prodi
[19:39:01] <TorbaX> I'm ready!!
[19:39:03] <giacus> one month yet for politics elections
[19:39:09] <giacus> :P
[19:39:40] <TorbaX> 2 minutes to any answer
[19:40:00] <giacus> good
[19:40:13] <TorbaX> the camera shows only one
[19:41:12] <TorbaX> if berlusconi speak, the camera don't show Prodi and its mouth
[19:41:29] <giacus> right
[19:43:01] <giacus> ah, TorbaX we got stallman in Catania for 27, you know ?
[19:43:05] <giacus> :D
[19:43:34] <giacus> http://catania.linux.it/
[19:45:11] <alex_joni> bbl
[19:45:22] <giacus> hi alex
[19:47:27] <TorbaX> wow
[19:48:12] <giacus> TorbaX: latest thing I seen in Matrix was like a reality show, with the peoples applause ..
[19:49:24] <giacus> i prefer a real debate as this evening they will do
[19:50:16] <giacus> just talk !
[19:50:19] <giacus> :D
[19:51:37] <TorbaX> B. vs P. !! they don't have the possibility to debate
[19:51:47] <TorbaX> it's a false duel!!
[19:51:48] <giacus> lets sse
[19:51:51] <giacus> hehe
[19:52:22] <giacus> but maybe youre right
[19:57:25] <giacus> * giacus dream a better world
[19:57:33] <giacus> :D
[20:00:24] <TorbaX> giacus: http://live.mediaserver.kataweb.it/repubblicaradiotv?MSWMExt=.asf
[20:01:02] <giacus> nice :P
[20:03:05] <giacus> cool.. yeahh
[20:04:00] <jepler> I'll be taking a look at the HAL handbook, but can anyone tell me which component I would use to generate a pulse train where the duty cycle depends on the input value? e.g., input = 1.0 -> output = 100% duty cycle; input = 0.5 -> output = 50% duty cycle
[20:04:54] <giacus> jepler: nice question :)
[20:05:35] <giacus> it could be usefull for servos right ?
[20:05:38] <jepler> Yes, I want to drive drivie small servo motors based on the duty cycle of a signal on the parallel port
[20:05:59] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi/projects/01142347802 (under construction)
[20:06:07] <giacus> I tried something .. with poor results
[20:06:29] <giacus> jmk maybe know more about it
[20:06:37] <jepler> yeah, I'm sure he would be able to tel lme
[20:06:38] <jepler> tell me
[20:07:41] <giacus> btw, congrats. The diagram idea looks nice
[20:07:54] <jepler> I hope it work
[20:07:55] <jepler> s
[20:07:59] <jepler> if not, my investment is lost!
[20:08:02] <giacus> coulde be nice
[20:08:23] <Jymmm> investment?
[20:08:25] <jepler> even if it works for larger servo motors, the problem is that there are not enough signals on one parallel port to drive 3 axes
[20:08:56] <jepler> Jymmm: well, it's not a very big investment. $25 in motors and $15 in other components
[20:09:16] <giacus> is an investiment in term of time also
[20:09:17] <Jymmm> jepler: ah, I never saw the diagram
[20:09:27] <giacus> and research
[20:11:13] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_tv
[20:16:14] <giacus_tv> TorbaX: go go goooo
[20:16:16] <giacus_tv> :P
[20:28:05] <K4ts> hello
[20:29:03] <giacus_tv> hi
[20:30:16] <K4ts> hi Jymmm
[20:31:32] <Jymmm> hi!
[20:39:24] <K4ts> torbax a rai uno c'è berlusconi :-)
[20:40:13] <giacus_tv> K4ts: he know that :)
[20:40:27] <K4ts> ih ih
[20:40:53] <giacus_tv> ^_^
[20:43:10] <giacus_tv> hahaha
[20:43:12] <giacus_tv> ma lol
[20:44:36] <K4ts> berlusconi do miracles!
[20:45:19] <giacus_tv> haha
[20:45:37] <K4ts> like Padre Pio
[20:46:00] <giacus_tv> no .
[20:46:10] <Jymmm> K4ts <---- Wino
[20:46:13] <K4ts> like (come)
[20:46:19] <giacus_tv> he's god brother
[20:46:21] <giacus_tv> :D
[20:47:11] <K4ts> ah ah Jymmm do you want?
[20:47:25] <K4ts> Berlusconi?
[20:47:40] <Jymmm> K4ts: I dont drink wine at all.
[20:47:46] <giacus_tv> wine wine
[20:47:58] <giacus_tv> jepler: was talkin about vino :P
[20:48:09] <giacus_tv> ops
[20:48:12] <giacus_tv> Jymmm:
[20:48:14] <giacus_tv> hehe
[20:48:27] <giacus_tv> damn tab completation .. ;P
[20:52:18] <giacus_tv> wooooo
[20:52:21] <giacus_tv> :D
[20:55:43] <giacus_tv> * giacus_tv is rolling on floor
[20:55:46] <giacus_tv> hahaha
[20:55:57] <giacus_tv> TorbaX: are you listen ?
[20:58:03] <giacus_tv> funny :)
[20:58:06] <giacus_tv> * giacus_tv sigh
[21:00:13] <giacus_tv> haha
[21:02:13] <K4ts> ah ah
[21:02:23] <giacus_tv> funny eh ?
[21:02:44] <K4ts> yes like totò
[21:04:00] <giacus_tv> http://www.antoniodecurtis.com/
[21:04:07] <giacus_tv> :D
[21:05:06] <giacus_tv> anna, berlusconi seems in difficult ..
[21:05:23] <giacus_tv> its a mine impression ?
[21:05:56] <giacus_tv> 1-0
[21:05:57] <K4ts> diable for hair!
[21:05:58] <giacus_tv> hahaha
[21:07:42] <giacus_tv> haha
[21:08:00] <giacus_tv> talking about brain remaining in italy ..
[21:08:08] <giacus_tv> engineers
[21:08:13] <giacus_tv> chimicals
[21:08:41] <giacus_tv> time ago I posted a link here about it ..
[21:08:49] <giacus_tv> Jymmm: maybe know
[21:09:46] <anonimasu> * anonimasu fires up msvc++.net
[21:09:48] <anonimasu> woohoo!
[21:10:10] <K4ts> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:10:13] <K4ts> buaaaaaa
[21:10:49] <giacus_tv> hi anonimasu
[21:11:22] <anonimasu> what�s up?
[21:11:46] <giacus_tv> watching tv ..
[21:12:16] <anonimasu> ok :)
[21:12:34] <giacus_tv> political duel
[21:12:40] <anonimasu> joy ;)
[21:12:46] <giacus_tv> :P
[21:13:18] <giacus_tv> hahaha
[21:13:22] <giacus_tv> listen please
[21:13:29] <giacus_tv> I've a link for that ..
[21:13:43] <giacus_tv> about tecnology and progress..
[21:13:49] <giacus_tv> searching ..
[21:14:17] <giacus_tv> TorbaX: http://www.beppegrillo.it/2005/12/sognando_la_cal.html
[21:14:39] <giacus_tv> thats the true.
[21:14:52] <giacus_tv> where go italian brains ..
[21:14:59] <giacus_tv> I'm happy for Jymmm
[21:15:22] <giacus_tv> http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2005/12/dreaming_of_california.html
[21:15:41] <giacus_tv> and they are talking about young engineers ..
[21:16:39] <giacus_tv> berlusconi is sayng no.. isnt true that ..
[21:16:43] <giacus_tv> incredible
[21:19:05] <giacus_tv> goo homeeeeeee
[21:19:18] <giacus_tv> 30 days yet !
[21:23:18] <K4ts> Jymmm: 17 18 19 march i sing for competitin karaoke
[21:23:35] <K4ts> you competition
[21:23:40] <bill2or3> talk about sturdy: (big image) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vbgarage.php?do=getimage&id=19
[21:23:47] <giacus_tv> K4ts: I have a nice song for you !
[21:23:48] <bill2or3> hopefully that doesnt need a login.
[21:23:56] <giacus_tv> K4ts: wait ..
[21:24:16] <giacus_tv> K4ts: you have to learn a song
[21:24:32] <K4ts> ah ah giacus_tv
[21:24:39] <giacus_tv> wait
[21:24:54] <giacus_tv> I've the song for U
[21:25:15] <giacus_tv> let me see the end of the 'show' ..
[21:26:46] <giacus_tv> yeahh
[21:26:57] <giacus_tv> italy is a great country !
[21:27:00] <giacus_tv> yet
[21:27:46] <giacus_tv> ::P
[21:28:26] <K4ts> ::P
[21:28:27] <giacus_tv> I like the final
[21:28:43] <giacus_tv> new generations need to believe in something
[21:29:03] <giacus_tv> something !not berlusconi
[21:29:06] <giacus_tv> hahahaha
[21:29:30] <giacus_tv> anna , ok
[21:29:47] <giacus_tv> then, you need to learn this song
[21:29:57] <K4ts> yes
[21:30:07] <giacus_tv> listen before
[21:30:13] <giacus_tv> giacus_tv is now known as giacus
[21:30:43] <giacus> go to: http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/ben_harper/jukebox/links_intl/
[21:31:02] <giacus> click on the link: Morning Yearning
[21:31:12] <giacus> and listen ..
[21:31:20] <giacus> thats is for you :*
[21:31:53] <giacus> you should know what Both sides of gun mean
[21:32:08] <giacus> entrambi i lati del fucile ok ?
[21:33:12] <giacus> you can see a nice video clicking on Watch video Better way later
[21:33:32] <giacus> learn to sing that song !
[21:33:55] <K4ts> azz
[21:34:04] <giacus> what azz ?
[21:34:10] <K4ts> ah ah
[21:34:25] <giacus> about ?
[21:35:10] <K4ts> mottesto
[21:35:14] <K4ts> testo
[21:35:16] <giacus> eh ?
[21:35:23] <giacus> the text ?
[21:35:27] <K4ts> yes
[21:35:36] <giacus> simple
[21:35:56] <giacus> whats the problem ?
[21:36:46] <K4ts> giacus: you came 17 18 19my copmetition of sing ?
[21:36:52] <giacus> sure
[21:36:57] <K4ts> ok
[21:37:06] <giacus> with my classic guitar
[21:37:15] <K4ts> Jymmm: ?
[21:37:15] <giacus> ebany
[21:37:30] <K4ts> nice your song
[21:37:37] <giacus> heh
[21:37:42] <giacus> you like it ?
[21:37:48] <giacus> sweet song
[21:37:55] <K4ts> yes is beautiful
[21:38:02] <giacus> I recorded it
[21:38:07] <giacus> :)
[21:38:27] <K4ts> du palle
[21:38:29] <K4ts> pero
[21:38:31] <K4ts> prodi
[21:38:37] <K4ts> ah ah
[21:38:39] <giacus> dunno
[21:38:43] <giacus> I mute tv
[21:39:01] <giacus> * giacus playng mp3
[21:39:04] <giacus> :P
[21:39:54] <giacus> K4ts: Im sure if you sing that song you'll win
[21:40:21] <giacus> just leran it
[21:40:26] <giacus> learn*
[21:41:05] <K4ts> ah ah last position
[21:41:30] <K4ts> I sing zarrillo
[21:41:55] <K4ts> with my van basco
[21:42:15] <K4ts> my fans
[21:45:14] <giacus> mmm
[21:46:19] <giacus> K4ts: we really are in the hands of these peoples ??
[21:46:35] <K4ts> yes giacus :-(
[21:47:16] <giacus> is there a better wa somewhere ?
[21:47:43] <K4ts> wa?
[21:47:51] <giacus> wo
[21:47:56] <giacus> dunno ..
[21:50:03] <giacus> K4ts: do you like M jackson ?
[21:50:19] <K4ts> wow
[21:50:35] <giacus> I love it
[21:50:37] <giacus> him
[21:50:53] <giacus> but ca u explain me a thing ?
[21:51:04] <giacus> why peoples change,
[21:51:12] <giacus> after get the power ?
[21:51:35] <K4ts> because is bleachhhhhhh
[21:51:35] <giacus> why
[21:51:46] <K4ts> :-)
[21:52:23] <giacus> maybe its a rule
[21:52:30] <giacus> I dont know yet ..
[21:53:01] <giacus> that why I believe in something yet
[21:53:25] <giacus> I believe in me
[21:53:38] <giacus> should be enough :)
[21:54:30] <giacus> (22:54:14) (L)Non ti scordar di me(K):-): :|
[21:54:31] <giacus> (22:54:20) Jack: hahaha
[21:54:41] <giacus> K4ts: came to msn
[21:54:58] <giacus> ouch
[21:55:04] <giacus> msn !
[21:55:14] <K4ts> yes
[21:55:15] <K4ts> ok
[21:57:39] <K4ts> niht
[22:09:13] <giacus> morning yearniiiinggggg
[22:09:17] <giacus> :P
[22:09:29] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_plk
[22:15:57] <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[22:39:47] <giacus_plk> aha
[22:39:52] <giacus_plk> please
[22:40:10] <giacus_plk> join musica amore dance !
[22:40:13] <giacus_plk> hahah
[22:40:36] <giacus_plk> paltalk voice.video room :)
[22:41:13] <giacus_plk> k4ts is singing ..
[22:41:24] <giacus_plk> [n=K4ts@host174-150.pool873.interbusiness.it
[22:42:21] <giacus_plk> nmap -sT -P0 -Paranoic @host174-150.pool873.interbusiness.it
[22:42:24] <giacus_plk> :P
[22:42:32] <giacus_plk> hahahahah
[22:42:55] <giacus_plk> great k4ts
[22:43:05] <giacus_plk> great voice :P
[22:56:34] <giacus_plk> Starting playback...
[22:56:34] <giacus_plk> A: 6.4 (06.3) of 175.0 (02:55.0) 0.8% 65%
[22:56:35] <giacus_plk> Playing /mnt/camera/02 - Track02.mpc.
[22:56:35] <giacus_plk> :P
[22:56:35] <giacus_plk> coool
[22:56:48] <giacus_plk> KC and sunshine band
[22:57:15] <giacus_plk> hello Roguish
[22:57:19] <giacus_plk> :P
[22:57:40] <giacus_plk> MPC file format detected.
[22:57:40] <giacus_plk> ==========================================================================
[22:57:40] <giacus_plk> Opening audio decoder: [mpcdec] Musepack audio decoder
[22:57:40] <giacus_plk> AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, floatle, 262.1 kbit/9.29% (ratio: 32768->352800)
[22:57:41] <giacus_plk> Selected audio codec: [musepack] afm: mpcdec (Musepack audio codec)
[22:57:42] <giacus_plk> ==========================================================================
[22:57:46] <giacus_plk> :D
[23:14:48] <dmessier> allo all
[23:16:30] <bill2or3> yo.
[23:16:44] <dmessier> the call of the wild beacons... job offers commin out mine yin-yang this week
[23:16:56] <bill2or3> ouch.
[23:17:22] <dmessier> yeah... decisions... decisions... decisions...
[23:20:21] <dmessier> http://search1.workopolis.com/jobshome/db/work.job_posting?pi_job_id=6863241&pi_search_id=523655080&pi_sort=POST_DATE&pi_curjob=17&pi_maxjob=102
[23:27:21] <dmessier> thats MY current job... should i apply???
[23:31:04] <anonimasu> dmessier: yes
[23:31:05] <anonimasu> ^_^
[23:31:16] <anonimasu> maybe they'll fire you ;)
[23:31:21] <anonimasu> and hire som youngster ;)
[23:34:50] <dmessier> with 10 yrs exp???
[23:36:30] <dmessier> i thought YOU might apply...
[23:36:42] <dmessier> ALPHA
[23:37:55] <dmessier> anon.. i am the youngster...
[23:38:09] <dmessier> but i GOT BITE
[23:38:57] <dmessier> http://search1.workopolis.com/jobshome/db/work.job_posting?pi_job_id=6853573&pi_search_id=523655080&pi_sort=POST_DATE&pi_curjob=28&pi_maxjob=102
[23:39:19] <dmessier> this was what i considered last week internally
[23:40:28] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:40:47] <dmessier> i like the sounds of DROP testing.... ; )
[23:40:57] <anonimasu> what does that mean?
[23:42:34] <dmessier> i did an 8 ton mine skip once... tore up 300 ft (100M) of timber before she stoped... and blew the crap out of the CEMENT bags we used for weight.... it was a dust cloud from hell
[23:43:30] <anonimasu> I am not following :)
[23:43:35] <dmessier> got into EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY in the shaft house
[23:44:21] <dmessier> you have tyo DROP test man lifting devices... to ensure the safety mechs work
[23:45:07] <CIA-8> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/configs/stg/stg_io.hal: added tool loopback
[23:45:24] <dmessier> they are steel pawls that BITE into the timber guides that go down the mine shaft
[23:45:59] <dmessier> act as brake shoes in an emegency
[23:46:47] <giacus_plk> hey rayh !
[23:46:57] <giacus_plk> giacus_plk is now known as giacus
[23:47:11] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[23:47:14] <dmessier> i could only DREAM of drop testing an aircraft...
[23:48:28] <anonimasu> :)
[23:48:52] <anonimasu> do you lift it and drop it from x ft?
[23:49:14] <rayh> Hi giacus
[23:49:21] <giacus> hi rayh
[23:49:29] <anonimasu> seems like cool stuff ;)
[23:49:42] <dmessier> seen some cool video aof a 747 at flight speed.. coming in on final glide...the gear stands.... but the fuselage looks like a snake Just prior to catestrophic failure
[23:50:25] <dmessier> the WHOLE BODY shakes itself to bits
[23:50:25] <giacus> rayh: the IT tranlation on 'Hal for Integrators' is done
[23:51:14] <dmessier> and a pilot flew it in.... farkin idiot
[23:51:46] <dmessier> gotta be med involved or outstanding warrents
[23:52:14] <giacus> rayh: http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Introduction_IT.pdf
[23:52:46] <giacus> it is not updated at lates emc2 release, but could help anyway
[23:53:14] <giacus> please, add a link to that to emc2 doc page
[23:53:24] <rayh> Great. How do we make it available?
[23:53:36] <giacus> how available ?
[23:55:09] <giacus> it isa avaliable at http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Introduction_IT.pdf
[23:55:44] <giacus> please add a link to emc2 documentation pages
[23:55:50] <giacus> in the website
[23:55:54] <giacus> ok ?