#emc | Logs for 2006-03-11

[00:00:15] <robin_sz> 101 edm recipies?
[00:00:27] <dmessier> alpha... you have an edm available???
[00:00:28] <mdynac_> edm for dummies
[00:00:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't find them.
[00:00:36] <robin_sz> edm projects fr the under 5's
[00:00:42] <mdynac_> i have several available
[00:00:51] <A-L-P-H-A> dmessier. No. But there's a wire EDM place on clements rd, in pickering.
[00:00:55] <mdynac_> edm on 40 dollars a day....
[00:00:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Altomax machining
[00:01:10] <dmessier> i sank 'trodes in customers moulds to learn... i love it
[00:01:10] <robin_sz> I almost bought one ...
[00:01:25] <robin_sz> until someone warned me off the "moving table" type
[00:01:36] <mdynac_> i break them all day long....
[00:01:51] <mdynac_> traveling wire rules!!!
[00:01:55] <robin_sz> quite
[00:02:03] <dmessier> mdy.... that bites... ; (
[00:02:24] <mdynac_> actually i repair, modify and design them....
[00:02:28] <robin_sz> I didnt appreciate the moving table problems until they were explained to me
[00:02:30] <A-L-P-H-A> dmessier, did you need the number or something for them?
[00:02:43] <A-L-P-H-A> god awful website. http://www.altomax.ca/
[00:02:44] <dmessier> not today
[00:02:47] <dmessier> thx
[00:03:12] <A-L-P-H-A> gotta be somewhere now.
[00:03:16] <A-L-P-H-A> or at elast very soon.
[00:03:21] <mdynac_> cannot cut LARGE parts on a moving table....
[00:03:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Tim Hortons, selling my ipooh.
[00:03:39] <robin_sz> quite
[00:03:48] <robin_sz> the workpiece tends to tip
[00:03:57] <robin_sz> can be a few thou out
[00:04:06] <mdynac_> the motors drives like to burn up....
[00:04:21] <robin_sz> mmm. that could apply to any machine
[00:04:57] <mdynac_> just got back from indy, i rased the wire machine for 30 inch z clearance, he cuts keyways in very tall cams....
[00:05:13] <robin_sz> wow
[00:05:24] <mdynac_> 6,000 lb cams
[00:05:32] <robin_sz> wow
[00:05:47] <robin_sz> right .. I need to go and look for my leopard
[00:05:55] <mdynac_> yes, even i was impressed....
[00:06:00] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[00:06:17] <mdynac_> not aa good thing to lose!!!
[00:06:31] <robin_sz> OK, must go, its rainig and his navigation skills are totally crap.
[00:06:44] <mdynac_> bye
[00:08:53] <mdynac_> so no one knows the new emc2 website address?
[00:10:46] <SWPadnos> hmmm - there isn't one. not sure if he got that point
[02:05:11] <giacus> night
[02:33:44] <gene> Hello all;
[02:34:12] <SWPadnos> hi Gene
[02:34:46] <gene> Does anyone have any recommendations for lubrication of Nook acme scres & nut, and for the ways of a lathe or mill?
[02:35:01] <gene> s/scrws/screws
[02:35:16] <jmkasunich> oil
[02:35:23] <jmkasunich> thick oil
[02:35:31] <gene> as in 5w30?
[02:35:32] <Jymmm> lithium grease?
[02:35:43] <gene> I got some of that this evening
[02:35:46] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich isn't very picky about lube
[02:35:51] <jmkasunich> I use gear oil on ways
[02:36:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm feels sorry for Mrs jmkasunich
[02:36:44] <Jymmm> *rimshot*
[02:37:09] <gene> I'd been using a teflon bearing light oil, but its turns into a black cake on the ways & drags like crazy after a day.
[02:37:13] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich launches a waterballon full of gear oil at Jymmm
[02:37:32] <SWPadnos> an oilballoon
[02:37:45] <Jymmm> * Jymmm counter-attacks wiht a case of flavored KY
[02:37:52] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos dicks
[02:37:54] <SWPadnos> oops
[02:37:57] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos ducks
[02:37:59] <Jymmm> lMAO
[02:38:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:38:22] <gene> KY Silk-E works pretty good :)
[02:38:23] <Jymmm> * Jymmm avoids Teflon PTFE like the plague
[02:39:24] <gene> This is something 3M makes, looks like wattered down milk if you shake it up enough.
[02:39:38] <Jymmm> Yep, that be the stuff
[02:39:47] <gene> But I think I'm getting schmardter
[02:41:41] <gene> So I went out to TSC and got a pint of stp, and oil squirter and a 3 pack of lithium grease for my mini-gun
[02:42:28] <fenn> i got a gallon of mobil vactra, should last a lifetime
[02:43:26] <gene> I left emc running the z from end to end 100 times to try and smooth things up a bit. I tried to do some peck drilling today, with a bit fresh from a drill doctor but it didn't have the cojones to push the drill bit
[02:43:43] <fenn> for light machines.. dont remember the viscosity number
[02:44:22] <gene> Not even a 3/64" bit. I've got 3w30 penzoil too, buy it by the case
[02:44:43] <Jymmm> gene what are you drilling?
[02:44:55] <gene> 1/8" hot roll plate
[02:44:57] <fenn> way covers help also
[02:45:07] <fenn> hot roll has a lot of mill scale which is highly abrasive
[02:45:28] <fenn> usually people grind it off before machining
[02:45:33] <Jymmm> I got some signfoam sample - tough stuff
[02:45:33] <gene> These new tables cover them selves fairly well, way better than the originals did.
[02:45:51] <gene> signfoam?
[02:46:04] <gene> elaborate plz
[02:46:27] <Jymmm> gene http://signfoam.com/
[02:46:33] <Jymmm> not cheap
[02:47:45] <gene> Humm, the subject got changed somehow, or did I butt into the middle when I logged in
[02:48:18] <gene> Can that scale be removed by a picking bath?
[02:48:24] <gene> Can that scale be removed by a pickling bath?
[02:48:48] <fenn> yes i think
[02:49:10] <gene> fenn: know a good formula?
[02:49:22] <fenn> er, vinegar and salt?
[02:49:46] <gene> humm, cheap enough I guess, I'll have to try it.
[02:52:44] <gene> ISTR there used to be an "OAKITE" product for that, needed to be boiled in it ISTR
[02:53:47] <gene> It was used to prepare gun parts for slow rust blueing, worked good back in the 60's the last time I used it.
[02:53:52] <cncuser> bing
[02:54:00] <cncuser> jo fenn
[02:54:12] <fenn> oy
[02:54:21] <cncuser> i have modified your nice new logo
[02:54:32] <fenn> did you find the .svg version?
[02:54:34] <cncuser> for the icons of multilingual
[02:54:34] <gene> url?
[02:54:39] <cncuser> yes
[02:55:02] <cncuser> did a german flag, + 1/4th of a brit flag
[02:55:29] <cncuser> and remade the emc typo... but i dont like the version i did either
[02:55:38] <cncuser> emc2
[02:55:47] <SWPadnos> I guess I should put coolcncb5 on the cncgear website
[02:55:55] <fenn> i havent seen anything more than a penguin holding an endmill
[02:55:57] <SWPadnos> or did I?
[02:56:14] <SWPadnos> nope
[02:56:18] <cncuser> fenn: i put the svg and the source of all together online next week. ifyou want to i load the svg up
[02:56:20] <cncuser> now
[02:56:25] <SWPadnos> cncuser - where can I get coolcncb5.iso?
[02:56:44] <cncuser> http://cooltool.he.fdread.org/cncforum/coolcnc/coolcncb05.iso
[02:56:47] <SWPadnos> thanks
[02:56:57] <cncuser> :)
[02:57:09] <cncuser> put in every computer you meet
[02:57:36] <cncuser> till now, everyone with at least 128mb of ram got a boot into graphical mode and could lanch axis
[02:58:03] <cncuser> got 100% guistart till now :)
[02:58:08] <cncuser> ahh
[02:58:32] <cncuser> if anyone in her knows some feature backport for 2.4.26...please let me know
[02:58:32] <SWPadnos> there's a mirror at http://www.cncgear.com/EMC/
[02:58:40] <SWPadnos> I'm about to change it to the latest version
[02:58:56] <cncuser> its the older version
[02:59:12] <SWPadnos> I'm seeding it now ;)
[02:59:18] <cncuser> nice )
[02:59:19] <cncuser> so
[02:59:28] <SWPadnos> give it about 2 minutes ;)
[02:59:41] <cncuser> cncngear and liuxcnc are gogig to be hosted at you place ?
[02:59:49] <SWPadnos> cncgear is my place ;)
[03:00:04] <SWPadnos> and there's a possibility that linuxcnc will be moved to my hosting plan
[03:00:27] <SWPadnos> I get about 2 TB of transfer per month, so I figured what the heck
[03:01:04] <cncuser> hehe
[03:01:55] <SWPadnos> ok, done
[03:05:29] <gene> kewl, only 51MB
[03:05:37] <SWPadnos> yep
[03:05:49] <SWPadnos> and it's a liveCD, so you can boot and run
[03:05:52] <SWPadnos> installation is optional
[03:09:24] <gene> I've got about half of it, and I need to take a nap as this is my night to do a graveyard at the transmitter, so good night everybody & thanks
[03:40:11] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, host some prawns.
[03:40:29] <SWPadnos> I prefer shrimp
[03:40:44] <A-L-P-H-A> prawns are like mini lobsters.
[03:40:47] <SWPadnos> though I just got the taste of mackerel sushi, or pickled herring in cream sauce
[03:41:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I preferr good butterfish.
[03:41:07] <A-L-P-H-A> (tuna)
[03:42:24] <SWPadnos> I like any of the tunas, or salmon, mackerel ....
[03:42:46] <SWPadnos> bummer - I may have to go to the store and get some
[03:42:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't think I've ever had mackerel
[03:43:23] <SWPadnos> very tasty.
[03:43:23] <A-L-P-H-A> salmon, tuna, catfish, lots of Chinese/asian fishes... but I don't know what the hell they'd be called in English.
[03:43:39] <A-L-P-H-A> sardines, anchovies,
[03:43:43] <SWPadnos> even as sushi, it tastes almost pickled (it might be)
[03:43:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I love seafood.
[03:44:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I love giant prawns, and lobsters.
[03:44:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I love the texture
[03:44:38] <SWPadnos> I'm a big seafood fan as well
[03:44:50] <SWPadnos> you're in/near Toronto, right?
[03:45:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[03:45:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I know of Rodneys. :)
[03:45:23] <SWPadnos> heh - we've discussed it before ;)
[03:45:23] <A-L-P-H-A> It's right besides For You Eyes Only. :)
[03:45:32] <SWPadnos> never noticed that place
[03:45:39] <A-L-P-H-A> how can you not?
[03:45:42] <A-L-P-H-A> shame.
[03:45:43] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[03:45:43] <SWPadnos> only been to Rodney's once or twice
[03:46:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I know another surf and turf... Angus beef, and oysters.
[03:46:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I could get lobster there too, but who wants lobster when youhave oysters!
[03:46:16] <SWPadnos> yummy
[03:46:39] <A-L-P-H-A> and it's like 1/2 the price of Rodneys.
[03:46:48] <A-L-P-H-A> rodney's is good, but i'm not rich... anymore.
[03:46:50] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[03:47:18] <A-L-P-H-A> bbl.
[03:47:21] <A-L-P-H-A> gonna watch movies. :)
[03:47:49] <SWPadnos> see you
[05:41:46] <jepler> cradek: ubuntu is great. With only one hiccough I got it working on this old laptop in an evening, well enough to rebuild emc2 and axis from CVS.
[05:41:59] <SWPadnos> how old a laptop?
[05:42:04] <jepler> SWPadnos: 300MHz, 128MB RAM
[05:42:09] <SWPadnos> that is old ;)
[05:42:27] <jepler> it's actually not bad for a little web browsing
[05:42:32] <jmkasunich> I have ubuntu and xubuntu working on a couple old laptops of that vintage
[05:42:34] <jepler> it took about 11 minutes to compile emc2
[05:42:41] <jepler> that's a bit long
[05:42:56] <SWPadnos> only twice what my enc machine takes
[05:43:00] <SWPadnos> emc
[05:43:14] <jmkasunich> I pulled a neat little thin client box out of the trash, gonna try to put linux on it
[05:43:23] <jmkasunich> 11" x 8" x 2"
[05:43:29] <SWPadnos> you should replace your laptop with one of these:
[05:43:32] <SWPadnos> http://www.m-techlaptops.com/specifications/mtechd900k.htm
[05:43:40] <jepler> in its last incarnation, this was a "thin client" -- booted, ran X and xvncviewer
[05:44:26] <jmkasunich> the one I have has a Geode 266MHz x86 (Pentium equivalent)
[05:44:43] <jmkasunich> no disks as built, but there's an IDE controller and connector on the board
[05:44:54] <jmkasunich> and a slot for an additional RAM stick
[05:44:59] <jmkasunich> and a PCI slot
[05:45:05] <SWPadnos> that could make a nice mp3 server ;)
[05:45:50] <jmkasunich> those need lots of disk don't they?
[05:46:00] <jmkasunich> this thing has a pretty feeble power supply
[05:46:03] <SWPadnos> depends on your CD collection
[05:46:11] <jmkasunich> I'll power the disk and cdrom externally for the install
[05:46:26] <jmkasunich> then just use the disk (which is a laptop drive, low power)
[05:46:33] <SWPadnos> but since you can get single disks of 300G or thereabouts for PATA, it shouldn't be a big problem
[05:47:05] <jepler> oh, btw, I did the ubuntu server install, then added x-window-system-core, emc2 packages, and build-deps for emc2 and axis, and it's still under a gig of disk used
[05:47:06] <SWPadnos> oh, apparently, the 500G drives are still available in PATA
[05:47:24] <SWPadnos> that's not bad
[05:48:17] <jepler> oh, and firefox
[05:48:55] <jepler> so 1G disk (or flash?) is plenty for an ubuntu/emc2 station
[05:49:32] <SWPadnos> a 2G cruzer mini is around $50, I think
[05:52:52] <jepler> I gotta say, ubuntu runs way snappier on this thing than I remember redhat 8 running
[05:54:56] <SWPadnos> I wonder if the various speedups they're touting for the next release will make it noticeably better
[05:55:12] <jepler> You mean the gnome ones? I'm not running anything gnome on this system.
[05:55:51] <jepler> icewm, urxvt, firefox, axis
[05:56:29] <SWPadnos> ah - that would make it moot ;)
[06:05:04] <jmkasunich> jepler: you still here?
[06:05:54] <jmkasunich> what exactly is "x-window-system-core"?
[06:07:46] <SWPadnos> I imagine it's X, without kde or gnome (or any other WM, probably)
[06:07:52] <SWPadnos> maybe TWM or something
[06:08:42] <jepler> Description: X Window System core components
[06:08:43] <jepler> This metapackage provides the essential components for a standalone
[06:08:43] <jepler> workstation running the X Window System. It provides the X libraries, an X
[06:08:43] <jepler> server (except on the S/390 architecture), a set of fonts, and a group of
[06:08:43] <jepler> basic X clients and utilities.
[06:09:07] <jmkasunich> then you have to add a window manager and other goodies?
[06:09:10] <jepler> yeah
[06:09:30] <jmkasunich> you don't happen to have a list of the packages you wound up installing do you?
[06:09:48] <jepler> no, I don't.
[06:09:54] <jmkasunich> darn
[06:09:59] <jepler> why do you want that?
[06:10:07] <jmkasunich> so I could do the same thing
[06:10:14] <jepler> If you were in the same situation, you could also apt-get install x-window-system-core
[06:10:29] <jmkasunich> yes, but thats just the start isn't it?
[06:10:30] <SWPadnos> hmmm - it takes < 1G of HD, it may be possible to install such a beast on the farm
[06:10:36] <jepler> At a guess, I installed: x-window-system-core icewm urxvt firefox cvs
[06:10:52] <jepler> plus ran cradek's script
[06:10:58] <jmkasunich> SWP: that's only one of the places I would like a lightweight install
[06:11:00] <jepler> plus ran apt-get build-dep emc2 emc2-axis
[06:11:12] <jepler> oh, I had to add python2.4-tk
[06:11:17] <jepler> otherwise axis didn't actually run
[06:11:28] <jmkasunich> I recognize most of those, what is urxvt?
[06:11:30] <jepler> (that'll be fixed in the next debs)
[06:11:33] <jepler> urxvt is a terminal
[06:11:39] <jepler> it's fast and right, unlike xterm and gnome-terminal
[06:14:04] <jepler> er, I guess the package is called rxvt-unicode
[06:14:50] <jepler> I also changed sources.list to include universe; I don't think icewm was available without that
[06:18:37] <jepler> goodnight
[06:19:27] <jmkasunich> night
[06:23:34] <Jymmm> Where's our resident chemist when ya need him!
[06:24:21] <SWPadnos> she's asleep
[06:25:16] <Jymmm> she?
[06:25:26] <SWPadnos> oh, I thought you weretalking about my mother
[06:27:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos your mom is a chemist?
[06:28:32] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[06:28:32] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[06:28:43] <SWPadnos> actually, both my parents are
[06:29:03] <SWPadnos> got a PhD in physical chemistry each
[06:29:15] <Jymmm> Does either of them specialize in polymers?
[06:29:44] <SWPadnos> well, I think my father did a polymerization of something for his doctoral thesis
[06:29:52] <SWPadnos> hmm
[06:30:11] <Jymmm> Well, polymerization is a tad different
[06:30:27] <SWPadnos> or maybe that was my mother. she did a "something" of 1,1-difluoroethane
[06:30:44] <SWPadnos> anyway - my mother would be better, since she used to test paints for the highway department
[06:30:47] <Jymmm> Heh, I think that's on the ban list now
[06:30:56] <Jymmm> OH really?!
[06:30:57] <SWPadnos> I asume that's the kind of polymer you're talking about?
[06:31:15] <Jymmm> That's exactly what I needed info on ... paint
[06:31:50] <Jymmm> Usually if someone is familure with polymers they know this subject matter.
[06:31:53] <SWPadnos> well, she's the expert, and I sure as hell hope she's asleep ;)
[06:31:59] <Jymmm> lol
[06:32:37] <Jymmm> Let me do some research (doubt I'll find what I need), then I might hit you up
[06:32:58] <SWPadnos> ok. I can always ask her some questions
[06:33:13] <SWPadnos> it makes her feel better if she can help me out, too
[06:33:33] <Jymmm> It be more link... here's these stack of pages, what ya think
[06:33:38] <Jymmm> s/link/like/
[06:33:55] <SWPadnos> well, she's not too internet-savvy, if you catch my drift
[06:34:07] <Jymmm> does she have an email address?
[06:34:17] <SWPadnos> though she's been proggramming since before I was born
[06:34:22] <Jymmm> lol
[06:34:33] <SWPadnos> yes, but she can't read PDFs, unless Acrobat 3 can read them ;)
[06:35:00] <Jymmm> Well I contacted one mfg, even spoke to someone in the testing lab - didn't have any advice for me.
[06:35:14] <Jymmm> Hey, I have acrboat for DOS, but I'm talking all text.
[06:35:22] <SWPadnos> what's the trouble?
[06:35:26] <SWPadnos> paint not sticking?
[06:36:14] <Jymmm> MDF absorbs paint like a sponge (actually worse than a sponge), but I can get BLACK paint to coat 'okey'
[06:36:36] <Jymmm> Even metalic paint is absorbed.
[06:36:40] <Jymmm> Now...
[06:36:43] <SWPadnos> hmmm. have you tried various types of primer?
[06:37:39] <Jymmm> There are two other materials out there MDO (not really what I need) and Medtex which is a exterior grade of MDF, but is a logisitics and price pita
[06:37:57] <SWPadnos> bigger fibers also, I'd imagine
[06:38:07] <Jymmm> I've tried 5 coats of paint - no good.
[06:38:26] <Jymmm> Well, when I spoke to the lab... it's a matter of denisty
[06:38:32] <Jymmm> density
[06:38:46] <Jymmm> the SURFACES are far denser, than the core.
[06:39:04] <SWPadnos> right, so you could paint the outside, but not once you've machined it
[06:39:18] <Jymmm> right, nor the edges either
[06:39:28] <SWPadnos> yep - the porosity gets you
[06:39:42] <Jymmm> But here's the thing...
[06:40:00] <Jymmm> SignFoam is great stuff... but VERY expensive.
[06:40:28] <Jymmm> MDF is cheap, easily available, machines well, just sucks at accepting paint.
[06:40:34] <SWPadnos> and kinda smooth/shiny, right?
[06:40:36] <Jymmm> (almost literally)
[06:40:39] <SWPadnos> heh
[06:40:43] <Jymmm> yeah
[06:41:02] <Jymmm> Most MDF is laminated - so that's a useless process in maching
[06:41:15] <Jymmm> err I mean veneered
[06:41:25] <Jymmm> then used in cainet making
[06:41:29] <Jymmm> cabinet
[06:41:33] <SWPadnos> I wonder if some sort of baking would help
[06:41:45] <SWPadnos> not that MDF is all that wet in the first place
[06:42:02] <Jymmm> not once you machine it
[06:42:17] <Jymmm> the only solution is spray or dip
[06:42:54] <SWPadnos> I was thinking of baking before painting
[06:42:55] <Jymmm> dipping the final product seems a waste and that the MDF would absorb far more than needed - almost satuarting it
[06:43:08] <Jymmm> baking it would dry it out even more
[06:43:41] <SWPadnos> yep, but that's not necessarily a bad thing
[06:43:56] <Jymmm> only if oyu want 17 coats of paint on it
[06:44:21] <SWPadnos> do you use spray paint or brush/roller?
[06:44:37] <Jymmm> spray so it gets in the machined area
[06:44:55] <SWPadnos> ok. you could try just holding the nozzle further from the MDF
[06:45:00] <Jymmm> There are many forums out there that have this same issue.
[06:45:23] <Jymmm> it's a well known issue that I learned the hardway
[06:45:34] <SWPadnos> I suppose that's why signfoam is so expensive ;)
[06:45:49] <Jymmm> even professional cabinet shops have this issue it seems.
[06:46:16] <Jymmm> Les bought some... I think he paid $1400
[06:46:30] <Jymmm> maybe $1100
[06:46:33] <SWPadnos> urk
[06:46:39] <Jymmm> for ONE sign
[06:47:07] <Jymmm> maybe he bought a spare too
[06:47:20] <SWPadnos> but that stuff doesn't absorb any water, does it? (the signfoam)
[06:48:14] <Jymmm> it's paintable, meldew and rot resistant, machinable, lightweight, and guarnteed for like 10 years
[06:48:42] <SWPadnos> HD polyurethane - it won't absorb any water
[06:48:55] <Jymmm> HDU not HDPU
[06:49:16] <SWPadnos> so you can scratch the sign, leave it out in a storm, and it'll be fine the next day
[06:49:22] <Jymmm> yep
[06:49:30] <SWPadnos> Like HDPE, but polyurethane
[06:49:44] <SWPadnos> MDF will be a bloated hulk
[06:49:54] <Jymmm> Anyhow... far too expensive
[06:50:04] <SWPadnos> right
[06:50:20] <Jymmm> But if I can somehow get MDF to accept paint, now we're talking...
[06:50:28] <SWPadnos> are you doing infoor or outdoor signs?
[06:50:31] <SWPadnos> indoor
[06:50:46] <Jymmm> cheap enough in sheet form, available everywhere, machines well,
[06:51:34] <Jymmm> Mostly indoor. But if I can come up with something that'll allow MDF to accept paint, might be able to take it a step forther and let it be usable for outdoor use.
[06:51:49] <SWPadnos> scratches would be an issue outdoors
[06:51:50] <Jymmm> That would just be iciing on the cake
[06:51:56] <SWPadnos> the substrate is still MDF, after all
[06:52:13] <Jymmm> but PU is pretty storng
[06:52:40] <Jymmm> seal the spinge, then coat with anything you want
[06:52:43] <SWPadnos> so, my idea is to hold the nozzle firther away, so that the paint is a little more dry when it hits the MDF
[06:52:43] <Jymmm> sponge
[06:52:57] <SWPadnos> wet enough to stick, dry enough to clog the pores
[06:53:02] <Jymmm> but you cant get into thte tiny details
[06:53:26] <SWPadnos> that may not work with an air sprayer though, I'm not sure if the particles are as small as with a can
[06:53:39] <SWPadnos> how tiny?
[06:53:53] <Jymmm> 30 degree vcarving
[06:54:18] <Jymmm> enmill 1/2" deep
[06:54:23] <SWPadnos> you wouldn't want to dip that either
[06:54:26] <SWPadnos> ok
[06:54:28] <Jymmm> nope
[06:54:39] <Jymmm> spray is about it...
[06:55:13] <Jymmm> Now Les told me of some stuff that you mix with water fro the HW store and it used to laminate MDF together
[06:55:30] <SWPadnos> ok
[06:55:56] <SWPadnos> I'd imagine that almost any kind of spray glue would do it
[06:56:05] <SWPadnos> not that I know of any kjinds of spray glue ;)
[06:56:09] <SWPadnos> kinds
[06:56:19] <Jymmm> I'm thinking that maybe there might be a oil or alcohol based variant that'll either clog the pores till dried or dry quick enough to leave a layer behind
[06:56:45] <Jymmm> like when you spear elmers glue on your hand and let it dry
[06:56:58] <Jymmm> then peel off like skin =)
[06:57:09] <SWPadnos> I think that you don't want anything volatile under the paint
[06:57:36] <SWPadnos> unless you let something like alcohol evaporate entirely before painting
[06:57:51] <Jymmm> I'm just pulling things out of my ass here... but there has to be SOMETHING that I can spray and seal this crap
[06:58:01] <SWPadnos> shit might work
[06:58:12] <SWPadnos> as long as you're pulling from your ass
[06:58:15] <Jymmm> it'll mix with the urine in the MDF
[06:58:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[06:58:27] <Jymmm> that's not a joke.
[06:58:32] <SWPadnos> some urea might work
[06:59:11] <Jymmm> But if your mom tested road paint... that is some tough shit.
[06:59:17] <Jymmm> expensive too
[06:59:33] <Jymmm> it dries fast, durable
[06:59:38] <SWPadnos> yep, and it has reflective glass beads in it
[06:59:44] <Jymmm> and sticks to gawd only knows what on the road
[06:59:52] <SWPadnos> but it's very very thick
[07:00:11] <SWPadnos> remember, it looks flat on the pebble/asphalt road
[07:00:22] <Jymmm> yep, but I bet yo ushe knows of other things too
[07:00:38] <SWPadnos> possibly. I'd have to figure out how to explain MDF to her though ;)
[07:00:44] <Jymmm> or she knows some vendor from some mfg and can ask all the right questions.
[07:00:59] <SWPadnos> she worked there in the 1970's
[07:01:03] <Jymmm> ah
[07:01:09] <SWPadnos> I don't think she knows anyone any more ;)
[07:01:50] <SWPadnos> ok. it's late, and Norton Antivirus is running. it's time for me to go to bed
[07:02:21] <SWPadnos> how would you describe MDF to a chemist who knows nothing of engineering, and hasn't been in Home depot, ever?
[07:02:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: The PDF's on this page should give the spec
[07:02:25] <Jymmm> http://www.sierrapine.com/products/mdf/SierraPineMDF/default.asp
[07:02:30] <SWPadnos> for MDF?
[07:02:34] <Jymmm> yep
[07:02:42] <SWPadnos> ok. I can work with that
[07:03:02] <SWPadnos> maybe
[07:03:26] <Jymmm> http://www.sierrapine.com/products/mdf.htm
[07:03:42] <Jymmm> Also the MSDS should help explain the materials in MDF
[07:03:53] <SWPadnos> yeah
[07:03:57] <SWPadnos> I was thinking of that
[07:04:11] <Jymmm> Also most MDF is made with formaldehyde
[07:04:16] <SWPadnos> which type do you generally get?
[07:04:24] <Jymmm> anything off the shelf.
[07:04:39] <SWPadnos> Medex, Medite, Medite 3D, ...?
[07:04:55] <SWPadnos> ah, SierraPine MDF ...
[07:04:57] <SWPadnos> duh
[07:04:59] <Jymmm> no no medex is special stuff... stick witht he MDF listings specifically
[07:05:42] <SWPadnos> you may want an epoxy based paint or primer
[07:06:09] <Jymmm> MAybe...
[07:06:24] <SWPadnos> I wonder if you can get it hot enough for powder-coating techniques
[07:06:29] <Jymmm> There was a question I had... why does paint use heavy metals in it
[07:06:37] <SWPadnos> I have no idea
[07:06:48] <Jymmm> used to be lead, then magnesium, and remium it's titanium.
[07:06:51] <SWPadnos> because the lead producers wanted more customers?
[07:07:05] <SWPadnos> (that's why it was added to gasoline)
[07:07:20] <Jymmm> no lead in gas was to save valve seats =)
[07:07:42] <fenn> magnesium is hardly a heavy metal
[07:07:49] <SWPadnos> except that it doesn't do that
[07:08:39] <fenn> i know that cobalt helps linseed oil to evaporate faster
[07:09:10] <Jymmm> SWPadnos see what she says about minerals in paint and their purpose.
[07:09:26] <SWPadnos> ok. time to go to bed. I'll see what I can get for you.
[07:09:38] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Thanks I appreciate it, G'Night!
[07:09:39] <SWPadnos> if I think of it, and she hasn't annoyed me too much by that time
[07:09:45] <Jymmm> lol
[07:09:46] <SWPadnos> see you - good night
[07:09:51] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[07:17:10] <Jymmm> I only use boiled linseed oil, but that's about it
[07:26:11] <fenn> i think all the other heavy metals get in there because of the cobalt
[07:28:01] <Jymmm> Well, There had to be a reason why lead was put in paint long ago.
[07:28:22] <Jymmm> Now it's titanium in the premium paints. But I dont know why though.
[07:29:04] <fenn> white and yellow lead were pigments in old paint
[07:29:34] <fenn> titanium dioxide is a bright white pigment
[07:30:18] <fenn> yellow lead is really cool looking
[07:30:24] <Jymmm> lol
[07:31:22] <fenn> it's hard to capture really vibrant colors on film
[07:31:51] <Jymmm> I know they use Silver in film
[10:47:36] <anonimasu> hm
[11:55:16] <cncuser> morning
[11:55:25] <cncuser> look who forgot to tur of his computer
[11:55:31] <cncuser> turn off
[11:58:13] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[12:22:30] <alex_joni> cncuser: who?
[13:14:40] <cncuser> alex_joni, hehe, me
[13:16:01] <cncuser> damn, yesterday my motorbike got rammed two time whle i was away :( i just tried to ix it but a hammer would not do :(
[13:19:12] <giacus_afk> mmm
[13:19:31] <giacus_afk> womans are like devils !
[13:19:34] <giacus_afk> ghghg
[13:20:07] <giacus_afk> cncuser: give me the hammer please
[13:20:32] <cncuser> hehe
[13:20:45] <giacus_afk> the biggest you have :(
[13:21:19] <cncuser> i just got one small woodcraft hammer
[13:21:47] <giacus_afk> too smal
[13:23:16] <giacus_afk> http://www.torchmate.com/aptsize.jpg
[13:23:24] <giacus_afk> whats that thing ?
[13:23:28] <giacus_afk> O_O
[13:23:43] <giacus_afk> mini plasma .. doh
[13:26:39] <giacus_afk> wood rails ?
[13:26:46] <giacus_afk> totally crazy :P
[13:32:41] <skunkworks> that is neet. has a water tank for sparks just like the real ones ;)
[13:33:08] <skunkworks> eat
[13:33:09] <skunkworks> neat
[13:39:59] <jepler> giacus_afk: did you e-mail me the translation updates? I didn't get any e-mail from you yet, unless it got stuck in a spam folder.
[14:13:08] <alex_joni> morning jeff
[14:19:27] <jepler> hi alex
[14:22:07] <cncuser> hi alex_joni, jepler
[14:22:42] <cncuser> oh :)
[14:23:43] <alex_joni> cncuser: oh?
[14:24:12] <cncuser> alex_joni: i remembered we allready did chat today ;)
[14:24:49] <alex_joni> more or less
[14:24:50] <alex_joni> :)
[14:24:56] <alex_joni> btw, I mirrored b05
[14:25:10] <cncuser> nice :), thanks
[14:25:23] <cncuser> did you try it ?
[14:25:27] <cncuser> yet
[14:25:46] <alex_joni> nope.. got not time right now :(
[14:25:51] <alex_joni> s/not/no/
[14:25:53] <cncuser> too bad
[14:26:08] <alex_joni> yup.. leaving tomorrow for a week (some welding fair)
[14:26:14] <alex_joni> still at work preparing stuff
[14:26:16] <cncuser> hehe, where ?
[14:26:22] <alex_joni> bukarest
[14:26:26] <cncuser> ic
[14:26:31] <cncuser> capital
[14:27:30] <alex_joni> yuck
[14:27:31] <alex_joni> :)
[14:27:42] <alex_joni> if you ever get a chance.. don't go there
[14:27:50] <cncuser> hehe
[14:28:25] <cncuser> have been close but not there
[14:46:20] <alex_joni> heh.. where?
[14:48:10] <cncuser> bulgaria. sofia and black sea
[14:48:32] <cncuser> well, closer the vienna ;)
[14:48:50] <cncuser> more close ;)
[14:51:22] <alex_joni> nice
[14:51:48] <alex_joni> I've been to Varna in Bg
[14:52:03] <alex_joni> but not to sofia, closeby though (Montana) a few times
[14:52:47] <cncuser> i think i remmeber mointana, its on the way from sofia to burgas
[14:52:54] <cncuser> ../varna
[14:53:11] <alex_joni> it's before sofia, but yes (if you came through yugoslavia)
[14:53:47] <alex_joni> although from vienna I'd rather go to croatia ;)
[14:53:56] <cncuser> ok, i mixed it up :) but i remember it clearly for its unusual easy to read name compared to the cyrilic citynames :)
[14:54:00] <alex_joni> you should try Istria, if you haven't been there already
[14:54:19] <alex_joni> cncuser: heh, that is the 4th name of that city in the last 100 years ;)
[14:54:47] <cncuser> alex_joni: i did a tour... vienna -> slowenia -> croatia(istria)->srbia -> bulgaira :) with a big mercedesbus
[14:54:54] <alex_joni> cool
[14:55:18] <cncuser> yes, weve been robbed 2 times. but it was fun after all :)
[14:55:30] <cncuser> i love the balkan :)
[14:55:58] <alex_joni> no MonteNegro?
[14:56:10] <cncuser> no, dont think ive been there
[14:56:19] <alex_joni> that's very nice too, people actually use EUR over there
[14:56:34] <cncuser> those poor souls
[14:58:21] <cncuser> as for bulgaria. i hope they dont get to the eu to soon, the people are poor enough there now. and prices of basic food almos tripple every year.
[14:59:13] <alex_joni> same here ;)
[14:59:48] <cncuser> alex_joni: yes, i heard. its a shame. there are somany people at the country that dont have any income at all.
[15:00:38] <alex_joni> yup
[15:01:21] <cncuser> so you got 10 goats an a donkey + a small hutt. get whater out of the hole in the garden ( i call it hole because the water is full of nitrits and other nonhealthy stuff) ... the eu has no supportprograms in a social way.... all they do is economypushing.
[15:02:36] <cncuser> well... bad world. bad people. bad bad
[15:02:40] <cncuser> i think i go to bed again
[15:13:52] <alex_joni> lol
[15:31:45] <giacus_afk> giacus_afk is now known as giacus
[15:34:38] <giacus> jepler: I sent an email to you at unpy.net, btw file is this: http://giacus.altervista.org/it.po
[15:38:07] <giacus> some term is ambigous: visualizza, mostra, vista ..
[15:38:36] <giacus> as show, view, display ..
[15:39:17] <giacus> I will wait the new menu you and cradek are working on, to get it better
[15:40:01] <giacus> For now, should be enough
[15:40:27] <giacus> keys accelleretar are also configured and working ok
[15:41:57] <giacus> I also changed some term like 'storia' his mean was wrong
[15:42:11] <giacus> ther'e no IT equivalent for history ..
[15:42:29] <giacus> Storia mean Story not History
[15:42:38] <giacus> So, LOg comandi is better
[15:42:42] <giacus> Log*
[15:43:42] <giacus> as Reload mean ricarica not riapre as was ..
[15:43:56] <giacus> riapre mean reopen
[15:44:32] <alex_joni> carica
[15:44:43] <giacus> carica is load
[15:45:17] <giacus> different between carica ed apri is the same from load and open
[15:45:29] <giacus> difference*
[15:47:19] <giacus> the think I dont like, I had to specify 'Vista' term many times ..
[15:47:31] <giacus> Vista frontale, vista laterale..
[15:47:55] <giacus> View top, View side ..
[15:48:00] <giacus> No solution for that
[15:48:08] <giacus> thing*
[15:50:52] <giacus> I dont touched the "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1\n"
[15:51:30] <giacus> UTF8 maybe is better, but Im not sure, check it from yourself
[15:55:21] <giacus> also changed axis one,two,three with 1-2-3, should be more readable ..
[15:57:34] <giacus> I prefer numbers to words where is possible :)
[15:58:06] <giacus> more intuitive
[16:02:28] <jepler> giacus: committed.
[16:02:35] <giacus> K
[16:18:39] <fogl> hello
[16:18:54] <fogl> anybody there?
[16:27:34] <alex_joni> hello
[16:41:43] <giacus> http://www.vmware.com/products/server/
[16:42:04] <giacus> seems nice and free for webmaster's :)
[16:46:27] <fogl> i am reading the emc1 handbook, and i dont find the explonation for DIR_INDEX and STEP_INDEX...what is this nomber...the parallel port pin nomber?
[16:55:24] <alex_joni> fogl: what emc are you using?
[16:57:31] <alex_joni> fogl: I'm rushing away, but usually it's like this:
[16:57:33] <alex_joni> linksp Xstep parport.0.pin-03-out
[16:57:33] <alex_joni> linksp Xdir parport.0.pin-02-out
[16:57:33] <alex_joni> linksp Ystep parport.0.pin-05-out
[16:57:33] <alex_joni> linksp Ydir parport.0.pin-04-out
[16:57:35] <alex_joni> linksp Zstep parport.0.pin-07-out
[16:57:38] <alex_joni> linksp Zdir parport.0.pin-06-out
[16:58:11] <fogl> emc1
[16:58:28] <fogl> last brain dead install
[16:58:30] <alex_joni> fogl: sorry I can't help you more..
[16:58:36] <alex_joni> check the wiki.linuxcnc.org
[16:58:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away
[16:58:44] <fogl> ok
[16:58:46] <fogl> thank you
[16:59:24] <alex_joni> fogl: keep complaining in here.. other should be around too, to help you
[17:01:56] <fogl> i will, thank you alex
[17:07:47] <K4ts> hello
[17:07:52] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[17:10:06] <K4ts> giacus
[18:05:56] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[18:06:04] <Jymmm> oh no SWP_Away!
[18:06:22] <SWP_Away> oh, no
[18:06:25] <SWP_Away> bye
[18:06:33] <Jymmm> bubye=)
[18:06:39] <SWP_Away> haven't talked to my mother yet (thank the lord)
[18:06:43] <Jymmm> lol
[18:06:51] <Jymmm> WEll, I haven't talked to her either
[18:07:04] <SWP_Away> don't tempt me to give her your number
[18:07:16] <Jymmm> lol I have callerid
[18:07:37] <SWP_Away> but you wouldn't recognize her name
[18:07:43] <SWP_Away> it's not the same as mine
[18:07:51] <SWP_Away> any of mine
[18:08:02] <SWP_Away> ok. now I'm really not here. see you
[18:11:55] <Jymmm> hasta
[18:22:34] <cradek> hi guys
[18:22:39] <Jymmm> hey chris
[18:23:23] <jmkasunich> hi
[18:28:18] <cradek> cool, jeff set it up so that if you untar axis under emc2/src and configure for rip, it will build and install axis automatically when you make
[18:32:42] <jmkasunich> nice
[18:33:58] <alex_joni> hi john
[18:34:03] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[18:34:23] <jmkasunich> thanks for the note about the compile farm slot, the disk was at 97% full
[18:34:31] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: no problem..
[18:35:17] <dmessier> hello all
[18:35:26] <alex_joni> bon jour
[18:35:45] <dmessier> sa va??
[18:36:06] <alex_joni> comme si comme ca
[18:36:23] <alex_joni> s/si/ci/
[18:36:24] <dmessier> pas beaux
[18:36:35] <alex_joni> dmessier: c'est ok
[18:37:03] <alex_joni> mais pas perfect ;)
[18:38:05] <dmessier> no ones life IS
[18:38:23] <dmessier> butim workin' on it
[18:48:15] <dmessier> my 15 yr old son just left with 3 mighty fine lookin' young ladies... he's a chip off the old block for sure... ; )
[18:49:14] <alex_joni> also 15? or older?
[18:51:41] <dmessier> older...lookin for sure...
[18:51:58] <dmessier> one had a car..
[18:52:04] <alex_joni> hrmm.. that's ok.. I guess ;)
[18:52:20] <dmessier> he has condoms...
[18:52:39] <alex_joni> might be a bit young though
[18:52:50] <dmessier> and nows how to use the.... no glove no love...
[18:53:10] <dmessier> never too young for protection
[18:53:28] <dmessier> hes taller than me
[18:53:53] <dmessier> 155 lbs
[19:11:29] <fogl> can someone please tell me what is the DIR_INDEX nad STEP_INDEX in emc.ini
[19:11:43] <fogl> is this the parallel port pin nomber?
[19:12:07] <alex_joni> fogl: yes, it should be
[19:12:23] <alex_joni> but you should have more than one of those
[19:12:50] <fogl> but for the x axis it should be 1 and 2...but by the default there is 0 and 1...and it works fine
[19:13:11] <alex_joni> odd
[19:13:44] <fogl> i installed the BDI 4.38
[19:13:54] <alex_joni> fogl: I am very sorry to say that I don't know enough about emc-bdi internals to tell you more
[19:13:55] <fogl> and this was in emc.ini
[19:14:28] <jepler> It may mean bits 0 and 1 on the parallel port data register.
[19:15:03] <alex_joni> jepler: it never worked like that.. always the pin number
[19:15:11] <jmkasunich> I'm 99% sure it refers to bit numbes in a byte (like jepler said)
[19:15:14] <alex_joni> but then again P1=D0, P2=d1, etc
[19:15:20] <fogl> and who would know this for shure...
[19:15:39] <jepler> fogl: http://bdi4emc.ourproject.org/
[19:16:18] <jepler> fogl: most of us are developers and users of emc2, and don't know the details of bdi4emc anymore.
[19:16:41] <fogl> oh...i see
[19:17:20] <fogl> is emc2 operational?
[19:17:24] <jepler> emc2 works great
[19:17:29] <jepler> for everyday use on stepper machines
[19:17:43] <jepler> (that's where my experience is; I think it's good for servo machines too)
[19:17:44] <fogl> ok...i will install emc2 then
[19:17:56] <fogl> i will use servos
[19:18:04] <fogl> no...steppers
[19:18:15] <fogl> sorry
[19:18:25] <jepler> you can use emc2 on bdi4 if you want, but I suggest the method described here: http://timeguy.com/cradek/emc/ubuntu
[19:20:12] <fogl> there is a note in wiki that BDI and emc2 doesnt work any more because of some changes
[19:20:38] <alex_joni> fogl: where?
[19:21:35] <fogl> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2
[19:22:45] <jepler> it still works (emc2 on bdi4) but the instructions are just out of date.
[19:23:09] <jepler> that's one reason I suggest ubuntu
[19:23:22] <alex_joni> yup, I am running emc2 on BDI4-38 too, probably I forgot to update that file ;)
[19:23:29] <jepler> you can get emc2 without compiling anything
[19:23:33] <jmkasunich> we need someone with BDI-4.38 to update that page
[19:23:41] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks at alex
[19:23:46] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[19:23:48] <cradek> * cradek points at alex
[19:23:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks at ..
[19:24:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks away
[19:24:27] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks at his bathtub
[19:24:59] <jmkasunich> alex_joni is very clean already
[19:25:18] <alex_joni> lol, don't assume ;)
[19:25:38] <jmkasunich> I can't smell you from here, you're clean enough
[19:25:43] <alex_joni> =))
[19:25:51] <alex_joni> I loaded a robot on a truck today
[19:26:44] <alex_joni> ok, bbl
[19:27:15] <jmkasunich> fog1: sorry, we get distracted easily ;-)
[19:27:30] <fogl> there is nothing written about realtime linux at ubint emc2 instructions
[19:27:45] <jmkasunich> anyway, if you haven't been using BDI-4.38 long aren't attached to it, the ubuntu approach is the way to go
[19:27:48] <alex_joni> fogl: you don't need to worry
[19:27:48] <jepler> fogl: The .sh script you execute will install a realtime kernel
[19:28:05] <fogl> ok
[19:28:09] <jmkasunich> no compiling needed, there are packages that install everything very smoothly, and even automatic notification of updates
[19:28:11] <fogl> thank you!
[19:28:24] <fogl> i will try this
[19:28:29] <jepler> Please let us know how it goes
[19:28:34] <alex_joni> fogl: if it doesn't live up to our advertisements, please let us know
[19:28:40] <jmkasunich> note that ubuntu will replace your BDI-4.38 installation
[19:28:43] <jepler> we'll be a lot better equipped to help with emc2 than with bdi4emc.
[19:28:49] <fogl> sure :)
[19:28:50] <jmkasunich> save any important files in your home directory frist
[19:28:56] <jmkasunich> first even
[19:52:37] <Roguish> jepler: i just attempted to intall axis on emc2 (testing) and the install bombed.
[19:54:11] <jepler> Roguish: OK -- which axis version? What's the error message? Did you install the build requirements?
[19:55:22] <Roguish> the lastest, greatest: 1.1.1rc3.tar.bz2
[19:56:15] <jepler> the newest is 1.1.3. http://axis.unpy.net/downloads/01141952313
[19:56:22] <Roguish> bombed with: ...../src/.tmp/rs274.o: No such file or directory
[19:56:51] <jepler> Does one of the pages on axis.unpy.net still indicate that 1.1.1rc3 is the newest version?
[19:57:04] <Roguish> yes
[19:57:13] <jepler> which one? I'll fix it.
[19:57:33] <Roguish> http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads
[19:58:42] <Roguish> page http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/01141952313 does not list any files attached to it.
[19:59:03] <jepler> huh. I see that.
[20:01:01] <jepler> .. hold on, putting the distribution files back
[20:01:21] <Roguish> ok, fine.
[20:02:49] <jepler> OK, please try downloading 1.1.3 again
[20:03:05] <Roguish> wow, there they are.
[20:03:34] <jepler> Did you think that 1.1.1rc3 was the newest because it was at the bottom of the page? Newer downloads are at the top of the page, like a blog.
[20:04:06] <Roguish> i just did not see them on the page indicated.
[20:05:33] <jepler> any luck?
[20:06:43] <Roguish> it's cooking.
[20:07:09] <Roguish> lookin' good.
[20:07:27] <bpmw> Hi Folks!
[20:07:59] <Roguish> hurray!!!!! thanks for the assistance.
[20:09:19] <bpmw> Does anyone know why "http://mirrors.neuron.com/emc-bdi/apt/sarge updates extras" does not work?
[20:09:44] <jepler> Roguish: thanks for letting me know about the problem with 1.1.3!
[20:10:22] <jepler> bpmw: You might check the bdi4emc wiki and mailing list .. I think that the new official location of the bdi4 packages is on ourproject.org somewhere.
[20:11:09] <bpmw> OK Thanks jepler i'll try that.
[20:12:27] <Roguish> is there any intention of upgrading to the latest classicladder? v0.7.4, 2005-08-16
[20:12:58] <jmkasunich> I don't think so, CL needed some non-trivial changes to work with emc
[20:13:43] <Roguish> is it the best solution at this time? anything else around?
[20:13:57] <jmkasunich> best solution for what?
[20:14:31] <Roguish> for the plc portion of the machine control.
[20:15:00] <rayh> MatPLC is probably a bit more capable but not emc compatable.
[20:15:44] <Roguish> i'm trying a mesa 5i20 and would like to have most (or all) of the plc in it.
[20:16:02] <rayh> PeteV did a nice job integrating cl with HAL
[20:16:23] <rayh> I've got a mesa 5i20 here and cl should work with all of it.
[20:16:27] <jmkasunich> the PLC logic in the m5i20, or just using the m5i20 for the PLC I/O?
[20:16:54] <rayh> I've just twiddled the second 50 pin header. I've got the mesa testing board.
[20:17:20] <Roguish> oh, i'm not critisizing, just the fpga is so powerful and cpu independent.
[20:17:46] <jmkasunich> yeah, but putting the FPGA logic in there is a non-trivial task
[20:17:48] <rayh> Oh. You want to write another fpga code.
[20:17:55] <rayh> Whole different world.
[20:17:56] <jmkasunich> on a par with writing something like CL
[20:18:31] <rayh> I can't imagine why one would want to put the ladder in fpga.
[20:18:32] <jmkasunich> unless you need outrageously fast PLC response (sub-millisecond), seems like overkill, let CL do it
[20:18:44] <rayh> It is so much nicer to watch and work with as a part of HAL.
[20:19:05] <jmkasunich> yeah, CL can display the ladder live, and you see contact and coils changing state
[20:19:12] <Roguish> no way, i'm not a programmer, just a struggling mechanical type. didn't mean to start a row.
[20:19:59] <rayh> np. Have you had a chance to look at demo_step_cl?
[20:20:15] <jmkasunich> Roguish: no row ;-)
[20:21:52] <Roguish> yes, digging my way through all of it. just got the 5i20 up and am trying to figure where everything is. i'm creating a brief cross-reference for phycical pins to signals. it' s not intuitively obvious from the current pin list.
[20:22:40] <Roguish> got a lot of help from SWPadnos a while ago.
[20:29:31] <rayh> Roguish, I'll look at mine in a few minutes. Building a new system now.
[20:30:23] <Roguish> thanks, gotta run out for awhile
[20:31:00] <rayh> k
[21:13:55] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emccanon.cc:
[21:13:55] <CIA-8> Fixed helix/rotational moves. According to the kramer doc:
[21:13:55] <CIA-8> Rotational axis motion along with helical XYZ motion has no known
[21:13:55] <CIA-8> applications, but is not illegal.
[21:19:05] <jepler> cradek: whee
[21:19:27] <alex_joni> cradek: last one :)
[21:19:31] <alex_joni> for now
[21:19:36] <jepler> cradek: did you get a proper torture test for G[23]XYZA?
[21:19:52] <cradek> jepler: well, it just bombed.
[21:19:54] <jepler> oh
[21:20:02] <cradek> jepler: the backplot doesn't match the preview at all (of course)
[21:20:04] <cradek> hmm
[21:20:07] <cradek> crap
[21:28:29] <cradek> jepler: oops, switching to mm readout also multiplies A by 25.4
[21:29:47] <cradek> who me?
[21:30:13] <alex_joni> not you
[21:30:16] <alex_joni> :-P
[21:32:44] <jepler> cradek: oops! somebody should do something!
[21:34:09] <cradek> * cradek waves his arms
[21:34:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni waves too
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[21:54:38] <giacus> wtah's the price ?
[21:54:47] <giacus> what mean unique ?
[21:55:23] <alpha1125> alpha1125 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[21:59:51] <giacus> mmm found maybe
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[22:00:31] <giacus> no clones
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[22:01:59] <alex_joni> giacus: not that much
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[22:19:26] <Imperator_> Hi ALex
[22:19:39] <jmkasunich> alex just went to sleep
[22:19:48] <Imperator_> ups
[22:19:54] <Imperator_> Hi John
[22:19:58] <Imperator_> whats up
[22:20:06] <Imperator_> some news ?
[22:20:09] <jmkasunich> trying to get emc2 ready for release
[22:20:17] <Imperator_> great
[22:20:32] <Imperator_> im bussy with out big machine at the moment
[22:20:37] <Imperator_> our
[22:21:34] <Imperator_> we got a granite stone. 2,5x1,5x0,3m :-)
[22:28:07] <Imperator_> was there some discussion about a EMC Fest this year ???
[22:28:25] <jmkasunich> its is going to be a Roland's CNC workshop in may
[22:28:33] <jmkasunich> (where the Mazak project was last year)
[22:28:46] <Imperator_> ok
[22:29:28] <jmkasunich> there's a website, don't have the URL handy right now tho
[22:29:43] <Imperator_> i think i have sean it
[22:29:55] <rayh> www.cnc-workshop.com
[22:30:25] <rayh> Can you get a ticket, Martin?
[22:30:26] <Imperator_> thanks rayh
[22:31:02] <Imperator_> hm, i don't think so
[22:31:30] <Imperator_> a programmers fest would be more interesting
[22:31:32] <Imperator_> for me
[22:31:48] <Imperator_> we have our own cnc workshop at the moment
[22:31:50] <jmkasunich> this is an all in one fest
[22:31:58] <Imperator_> ah
[22:32:12] <jmkasunich> the EMC folks will have an area, with net access, computers
[22:32:19] <jmkasunich> and we'll be able to stay as late as we want
[22:32:26] <jmkasunich> I did a near-all-nighter last year
[22:32:40] <jmkasunich> far better for programming than NIST where we had to leave at 7pm
[22:33:25] <Imperator_> ok
[22:34:29] <Imperator_> i think i would decide a week before like last year :-)
[22:35:33] <rayh> Good plan. You don't sound very German doing that though.
[22:35:38] <Imperator_> the job i had until last summer was much better to make such things
[22:35:47] <Imperator_> :-)
[22:35:57] <Imperator_> thats my style of traveling
[22:36:40] <Imperator_> i hate to plan vacation half a year before
[22:37:01] <rayh> All the in laws there plan a year ahead.
[22:37:33] <Imperator_> jep
[22:38:22] <Imperator_> and with my new job i have also to plan 3 month or so before. better 6
[22:38:39] <rayh> Well we'd sure like to see you this year. If you can make it.
[22:39:47] <Imperator_> thx
[22:41:26] <Imperator_> maybe i have finished the hardware for the mesa card, then i can send you some samples for testing
[22:41:47] <Imperator_> but, i had no time to do anything the last month
[22:43:02] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl: Removed setupconfig.tcl. It's main function of selecting a config to run is now done by pickconfig, and the other function of copying configs can be done using normal file/directory manipulation tools.
[23:36:11] <bpmw> HI Guys, just a quick question, can I do an apt-get and get the new kernal if my install is based on "adeos"?
[23:36:18] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[23:41:13] <bpmw> Anyone?
[23:46:02] <bpmw> Hey Lawrence how things in Bc.?
[23:46:31] <LawrenceG> not bad... very nice day athe moment
[23:46:44] <LawrenceG> was out pruning the shrubery
[23:47:06] <bpmw> sweet, it's been snowing in mb. all day.
[23:47:28] <LawrenceG> my next chore is to get some complex math routines running on a PIC.
[23:48:01] <bpmw> good luck with that!
[23:48:13] <LawrenceG> well we had snow a couple of days ago, but it only lasted for a few hours... about 5cm worth
[23:48:54] <bpmw> I'm just try to uddate my emc install
[23:48:56] <LawrenceG> mountains sure like nice though... local ski hills have over 500cm of snow right now! glad I dont have to shovel the parking lot
[23:49:13] <LawrenceG> look nice...
[23:50:18] <bpmw> Can't say im very fond of the mountains, had a bad experience about 15 years ago.
[23:50:37] <LawrenceG> I would convert to a Ubuntu install then get the pakages for the kernel and emc2 via cradeks instructions on the wiki
[23:51:03] <LawrenceG> I am running them here... very easy to get a system up and running
[23:51:16] <bpmw> IM partial to the debian flavor!
[23:51:58] <LawrenceG> ubuntu is a debian derivative... not much difference, but the packages dont mingle well
[23:53:16] <LawrenceG> I am looking forward to the Ubuntu release next month.... it is supposed to have all the new gnome/gtk improvements
[23:54:50] <bpmw> Oh, I'm running Bdi4.20 with Emc2. Spent all day doing apt-get updates. I figured I would upgrade evrything as I just moved my mill into new shop.g
[23:55:52] <LawrenceG> emc2/axis install from source isnt that bad either... I am running an old P200 on the machine so I try and avoid compiling kernels and such!
[23:56:05] <bpmw> My wife was sick of me taking over the garage, She could'nt park here car inside :(
[23:56:45] <LawrenceG> you know... my double garage has NEVER had a car in it.... I built the house over 17 years ago!
[23:57:26] <LawrenceG> good thing I met my wife after I had the garage full.
[23:58:03] <bpmw> I don't mind the compiling, instructions seem to be pretty good. I just need to know if I can use Magma kernel on Bdi 4.20 install
[23:58:34] <cncuser> bpmw: give it a try :)
[23:58:45] <bpmw> I just celebrated 16th anniversary my self
[23:59:01] <LawrenceG> I think if you install the kernel and build emc/axis from source it should be ok
[23:59:47] <bpmw> Ok I'll give it a whirl. will be back later with results.