#emc | Logs for 2006-02-12

[00:00:49] <fenn> no.
[00:29:32] <robin_sz> really?
[00:29:43] <robin_sz> time to go home ....
[00:29:53] <robin_sz> gone midnight and im still welding :(
[00:30:27] <fenn> finish your o2 sucker yet?
[00:32:23] <robin_sz> nah ... not even started ...
[00:32:31] <robin_sz> too much work in the way :)
[01:11:05] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[01:23:27] <jepler> AXIS 1.2a2 has been released. http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/01139706689
[01:24:33] <jepler> * jepler goes to watch a movie.
[01:30:27] <giacus> g night
[02:22:42] <robin__> robin__ is now known as robin_sz
[03:05:46] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/ (Makefile Makefile.inc.in configure configure.in): make install
[03:07:36] <skunkworks> Hello
[03:07:49] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/rules: now we have sensible defaults for module_helper in configure
[03:08:13] <skunkworks> I think I broke it
[03:08:36] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/emc2$ sudo scripts/emc
[03:08:36] <skunkworks> scripts/emc: line 1: /usr/local/share/emc/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl: No such fileor directory
[03:09:06] <cradek> first of all, don't use sudo
[03:09:18] <jmkasunich> if you are using a recent checkout, we probably broke it
[03:09:26] <jmkasunich> in a state of swirl right now
[03:09:31] <skunkworks> ah
[03:09:34] <cradek> how recent is it?
[03:09:37] <skunkworks> just now
[03:09:39] <skunkworks> ;)
[03:09:50] <cradek> are you trying to run in place (not make install)?
[03:09:59] <skunkworks> make install
[03:10:10] <cradek> if you're using make install, why did you run scripts/emc?
[03:10:10] <jmkasunich> then why "scripts/emc"?
[03:10:29] <cradek> you should run "emc" which will be in /usr/local/bin
[03:11:01] <skunkworks> cd ~/emc2/src
[03:11:01] <skunkworks> ./configure
[03:11:01] <skunkworks> make
[03:11:09] <skunkworks> is what I did - sorry
[03:11:21] <jmkasunich> ok, do "sudo make install"
[03:11:39] <jmkasunich> then you can probably just run "emc" (/usr/local/bin should be in your path)
[03:12:16] <cradek> congratulations on being the first to test this
[03:13:10] <cradek> did you just seem my make install changes and rushed to test them? If so you're a saint
[03:13:30] <skunkworks> No - just coincidence
[03:13:51] <skunkworks> where do I do the sudo make install? /emc2?
[03:13:56] <cradek> src
[03:13:58] <skunkworks> bear with me
[03:14:19] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/emc2/src$ sudo make install
[03:14:19] <skunkworks> make: Nothing to be done for `install'.
[03:14:37] <cradek> eh?
[03:15:05] <cradek> that's impossible - it's a .PHONY
[03:15:14] <skunkworks> I am sure I am not doing something right - am I?
[03:15:22] <Jymmmm> make clean maybe?
[03:15:23] <cradek> are you sure your cvs is updated?
[03:15:31] <cradek> I just checked this in 10 mins ago
[03:15:48] <skunkworks> I deleted the emc2 dir and ran cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc checkout -P -d emc2 emc2
[03:16:01] <jmkasunich> anon checkout lags behind by a few hours
[03:16:07] <cradek> ahhh
[03:16:09] <skunkworks> after the cvs up -dP
[03:16:13] <skunkworks> didnt work
[03:16:28] <cradek> there is no make install right now for you then
[03:16:42] <jmkasunich> no soup for you!
[03:16:44] <skunkworks> ah so what is the initial error?
[03:16:45] <cradek> you'll have to run in place
[03:16:52] <skunkworks> that is what I was doing
[03:16:59] <jmkasunich> yeah, but that changed too
[03:17:02] <cradek> you have to ./configure --enable-run-in-place
[03:17:10] <jmkasunich> and after the make, "make setuid"
[03:17:25] <skunkworks> yes - then I get this
[03:17:26] <skunkworks> scripts/emc: line 1: /usr/local/share/emc/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl: No such fileor directory
[03:17:26] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/emc2$
[03:17:38] <skunkworks> when I run scripts/emc
[03:18:37] <jmkasunich> it shouldn't be trying to get it from /usr/local
[03:18:55] <jmkasunich> we screwed something up
[03:19:30] <skunkworks> oops ;)
[03:19:53] <skunkworks> I figured it was me - (could still be) ;)
[03:20:11] <cradek> skunkworks: are you running ubuntu?
[03:20:33] <skunkworks> I don't know - what is it?
[03:20:38] <cradek> then you're not
[03:20:52] <jmkasunich> what distro are you running? A BDI, right?
[03:20:53] <cradek> it's a linux distribution I've built easy-to-install kernel and emc2 packages for
[03:20:59] <skunkworks> bdi 4.30
[03:21:08] <cradek> skunkworks: if you need a working checkout, go back a few days
[03:21:14] <cradek> cvs up -D2006/02/08
[03:21:35] <skunkworks> ok
[03:21:45] <jmkasunich> weekends are a terrible time to try to use emc2 cvs head, cause we're all hacking on it
[03:21:57] <skunkworks> let me try that - is that the exact syntax?
[03:22:15] <jmkasunich> alex made some changes earlier today, your anon checkout might have SOME of them, but not all, etc
[03:22:34] <cradek> yes I think that's the syntax
[03:22:46] <skunkworks> that is ok - It isn't like I am using this for producion
[03:25:33] <skunkworks> how would I do it with this? cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc checkout -P -d emc2 emc2
[03:25:59] <jepler> just put -D... before the final emc2, I think
[03:26:05] <skunkworks> thanks
[03:40:40] <skunkworks> That worked - thanks
[03:40:58] <skunkworks> is there any reason why I can't run version 1.2a2 axis on this?
[03:41:09] <cradek> no, it'll work fine
[03:42:57] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: missed a few files in the install
[03:43:18] <skunkworks> how do I build that then
[03:43:33] <skunkworks> it must be different ;)
[03:43:48] <cradek> no, you build axis the same way as always
[03:44:11] <cradek> cd axis-1.2b2; sudo env EMCROOT=/path/to/emc2/tree python setup.py install
[03:44:13] <skunkworks> damn it - must have done something wrong again
[03:44:18] <skunkworks> that doesn't work
[03:44:25] <cradek> what goes wrong?
[03:44:45] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/axis-1.2a2$ sudo env EMCROOT=/home/sam/emc2 python setup.py install
[03:44:45] <skunkworks> python: can't open file 'setup.py'
[03:44:45] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/axis-1.2a2$
[03:44:56] <cradek> ooh
[03:45:06] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/axis-1.2a2$ sudo env EMCROOT=/home/sam/emc2 python setup.py install
[03:45:06] <skunkworks> python: can't open file 'setup.py'
[03:45:06] <skunkworks> sam@localhost:~/axis-1.2a2$
[03:45:12] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/Submakefile: Build hal_skeleton userspace binary as an example.
[03:45:14] <cradek> maybe the tarfile is botched
[03:45:39] <cradek> let me have a look
[03:46:17] <jepler> $ tar tjvf ~/axis/dist/axis-1.2a2.tar.bz2 | grep /setup.py
[03:46:17] <jepler> -rw-r--r-- jepler/jepler 8838 2006-02-09 21:07:06 axis-1.2a2/setup.py
[03:46:28] <jepler> 1331b6fb0e588626d11a040450e27632 /home/jepler/axis/dist/axis-1.2a2.tar.bz2
[03:46:29] <jepler> cdbda271a070a576d60871717b264989 /home/jepler/axis/dist/axis-1.2a2.tar.gz
[03:46:29] <cradek> yeah, it's in there
[03:47:32] <jepler> skunkworks: does 'md5sum axis-1.2a2.tar.gz' (or .bz2, whichever you downloaded) match?
[03:48:12] <skunkworks> hold on - it may be me
[03:48:26] <jepler> skunkworks: was there an error while untarring that went by too fast to notice? (Usually tar will print a message at the end saying that there were earlier errors)
[03:49:18] <skunkworks> it was me
[03:49:31] <skunkworks> I somehow hosed the extraction
[03:49:45] <skunkworks> the install is runnig now
[03:49:52] <jepler> I hope it works this time
[03:51:48] <skunkworks> that worked - thanks
[03:52:07] <cradek> yay
[03:52:50] <jepler> With my 'limited acpi' kernel (PCI bus configuration, battery, and AC status) I can run kern/latency without overruns.
[03:53:04] <cradek> nice
[03:53:06] <jepler> while in another terminal I repeatedly 'wc -l' all the files in /proc/acpi
[03:53:22] <jepler> and of course the task bar is always showing the battery status
[03:53:37] <cradek> I wonder if the same is true for "all" laptops
[03:53:46] <jepler> I don't know
[03:54:13] <jepler> I can also run glxgears with hardware accel
[03:54:25] <cradek> I sure can't do that with nvidia
[03:55:42] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is starting to flail around with bwidget
[03:56:05] <jepler> jmkasunich: I often feel the same way
[03:56:18] <jmkasunich> I copied some code from halconfig
[03:56:30] <jmkasunich> but copying without understanding leads to madness
[03:56:42] <jmkasunich> I also found an example on the web
[03:56:48] <jepler> I'll stop by tomorrow for the developers' meeting.
[03:56:55] <jmkasunich> ray and the example seem to manage scrolling differently
[03:56:57] <jepler> jmkasunich: if you're around then and still need bwidget help, I'll try to give it
[03:57:03] <jmkasunich> and I don't actually grok either one
[03:57:05] <jmkasunich> thanks
[03:57:15] <jmkasunich> I'm hoping cradek can help me this evening
[03:57:16] <jepler> but I'll do it in yet a third way
[03:57:27] <jepler> cradek will disavow any understanding of tk
[03:57:30] <cradek> I smell cookies
[03:58:28] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: need 755 in a deb, not sure what the default should be.
[03:58:52] <cradek> ok john, I'm ready
[03:58:59] <cradek> what good I'll be, I don't know
[03:59:25] <jmkasunich> I grabbed rays code for testing for presence of bwidget, that works (and I now have the package ;-)
[03:59:41] <jmkasunich> I think I created a widget in a scrolled window (using his code with mods
[03:59:46] <jmkasunich> no nodes in it yet
[03:59:54] <cradek> cool
[03:59:59] <jmkasunich> and I need to do something to keep the app from exiting right away ;-)
[04:00:14] <jmkasunich> vwait should do it
[04:02:55] <cradek> aha Tree
[04:38:54] <skunkworks> Hello again
[04:39:01] <cradek> hi
[04:39:04] <cradek> got everything working?
[04:39:47] <skunkworks> cut some parts - one issue - I went to reload the program - and emc hung
[04:40:13] <skunkworks> if I move an axis and then try to load a program it hangs
[04:40:24] <cradek> what happens when it hangs?
[04:40:44] <skunkworks> the mouse turns into a clock and nothing happens
[04:41:02] <cradek> this is axis?
[04:41:04] <skunkworks> it turns into the arrow only on the X to close out emc
[04:41:07] <skunkworks> yes
[04:41:12] <cradek> anything on stdout?
[04:41:20] <skunkworks> I can try it
[04:41:27] <cradek> I bet there's an error there
[04:41:30] <skunkworks> hold on
[04:47:45] <skunkworks> It works with the tkemc (doesn't lock up)
[04:48:04] <cradek> yeah, it might be an axis bug, that's why I wanted you to check stdout for the python error
[04:48:37] <skunkworks> If I go into emc with axis - turn off the estop and turn on the machine - then do a G0x10 the machine moves - then when I try to load a file it locks up
[04:48:52] <cradek> ok, and what does it print in the terminal?
[04:49:07] <skunkworks> new open_directory /home/sam/emc2/nc_files
[04:49:23] <skunkworks> when I close out I get this (don't know if it is related)
[04:49:25] <cradek> that's all?
[04:49:41] <cradek> and it never opens up the file chooser?
[04:49:53] <skunkworks> can't read "data(pages)": no such variable
[04:49:53] <skunkworks> while executing
[04:49:53] <skunkworks> "foreach page $data(pages) {
[04:49:54] <skunkworks> Widget::destroy $path.f$page
[04:49:54] <skunkworks> }"
[04:50:07] <cradek> aha
[04:50:19] <skunkworks> it opens up the file chooser - just when you select the file it then locks up
[04:50:30] <skunkworks> the chosser window closes
[04:51:09] <skunkworks> do you want more of the page? there are few more lines
[04:51:15] <cradek> yes
[04:51:26] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, anyone know of a supplier for bubble vials / bubble levels?
[04:51:33] <skunkworks> new open_directory /home/sam/emc2/nc_files
[04:51:33] <skunkworks> can't read "data(pages)": no such variable
[04:51:33] <skunkworks> while executing
[04:51:34] <skunkworks> "foreach page $data(pages) {
[04:51:35] <skunkworks> Widget::destroy $path.f$page
[04:51:35] <skunkworks> }"
[04:51:36] <skunkworks> (procedure "NoteBook::_destroy" line 5)
[04:51:37] <skunkworks> invoked from within
[04:51:39] <skunkworks> "NoteBook::_destroy .#BWidgetClass#NoteBook"
[04:51:41] <skunkworks> (command bound to event)
[04:51:43] <skunkworks> invalid command name "-1210794316callit"
[04:51:45] <skunkworks> while executing
[04:51:47] <skunkworks> "-1210794316callit"
[04:51:49] <skunkworks> ("after" script)
[04:51:51] <skunkworks> load_time 99.8764219284
[04:51:53] <skunkworks> Exception in Tkinter callback
[04:51:55] <skunkworks> Traceback (most recent call last):
[04:51:57] <skunkworks> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1345, in __call__
[04:52:00] <skunkworks> return self.func(*args)
[04:52:01] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks! pastebin.com!
[04:52:02] <skunkworks> File "/home/sam/emc2/bin/axis", line 1276, in open_file
[04:52:03] <skunkworks> open_file_guts(f)
[04:52:05] <skunkworks> File "/home/sam/emc2/bin/axis", line 980, in open_file_guts
[04:52:07] <skunkworks> root_window.update()
[04:52:09] <skunkworks> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 859, in update
[04:52:11] <skunkworks> self.tk.call('update')
[04:52:13] <A-L-P-H-A> GOOD GOD1
[04:52:14] <skunkworks> TclError: can't invoke "update" command: application has been destroyed
[04:52:15] <skunkworks> Exception _tkinter.TclError: 'can\'t invoke "winfo" command: application has been destroyed' in <bound method Progress.__del__ of <__main__.Progress instance at 0xb7ce172c>> ignored
[04:52:18] <skunkworks> Shutting down and cleaning up EMC...
[04:52:20] <cradek> ok this is a bwidget problem
[04:52:20] <skunkworks> Cleanup done
[04:52:24] <skunkworks> sorry
[04:52:33] <skunkworks> that is what I thought
[04:52:39] <skunkworks> just kidding
[04:52:39] <A-L-P-H-A> now to ask my question again. hey, anyone know of a supplier for bubble vials / bubble levels?
[04:52:45] <cradek> no
[04:52:49] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: there are zillions of them
[04:52:58] <fenn> could you be a little more specific?
[04:52:59] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, mcmastercarr doesn't have the style I want.
[04:53:10] <A-L-P-H-A> give me a sec to post a pic up of the style I want.
[04:53:23] <skunkworks> cradek - I am leaving - do you need anything else?
[04:53:33] <cradek> skunkworks: did you install with USE_SYSTEM_BWIDGET ?
[04:54:16] <skunkworks> I don't remeber doing that - was there directions somewhere I should have been following?
[04:54:22] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.proimagebracket.proimages.ca/finalwordbracketebay_files/vistad.jpg
[04:54:39] <cradek> no, if you didn't specify it, it should be using the builtin bwidget like always
[04:54:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.proimagebracket.proimages.ca/finalwordbracketebay_files/vistae.jpg
[04:54:51] <cradek> the changelog says it's now an option though, so I thought you might have used it
[04:54:58] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: that's probably made by starrett
[04:55:02] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, like that kinda bubble vial / bubble level
[04:55:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Hell no... those are cheapie made in China thngs
[04:55:15] <cradek> skunkworks: we'll have to ask jepler about this tomorrow... I don't have a clue
[04:55:20] <A-L-P-H-A> but that's the style I want.
[04:55:53] <fenn> oops n/m that's "Last Word"
[04:56:51] <skunkworks> I downloaded axis-1.2a2.tar.bz2 extracted it and did the sudo env EMCROOT=/path/to/emc2 python setup.py install
[04:57:06] <cradek> ok
[04:57:19] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: for a camera tripod?
[04:57:22] <skunkworks> If I load the file first thing I do it works - but the file won't reload
[04:57:33] <skunkworks> (I think after I have moved but not sure)
[04:57:43] <cradek> that's very strange
[04:57:51] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, something like that yeah.
[04:58:03] <skunkworks> well I am going to leave - talk to you tomorrow.
[04:58:12] <cradek> goodnight, thanks for the bug report
[04:58:17] <skunkworks> thanks for all your help
[04:58:30] <A-L-P-H-A> freak'n surprising... I can't find anything like it on ebay. "bubble vial" "bubble level" "level vial" nothing
[04:59:34] <fenn> try spirit level
[05:03:41] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
[05:09:37] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Jymm
[05:12:13] <A-L-P-H-A> nice cuff links... http://cgi.ebay.com/Blue-Spirit-Level-Cufflinks-gifts-gift-men_W0QQitemZ8901596268QQcategoryZ10294QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem but when would I ever wear them.
[05:30:47] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: actually error on the install error
[05:41:39] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. If you're interested in tracking the near term winter storms and blizzard conditions in the northern US, you might try ##earth .... it's not that busy at the moment, but you can make it so. :)
[06:01:27] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: this is not an error
[06:32:37] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile:
[06:32:37] <CIA-8> this allows better error handling than chaining all the installs together,
[06:32:37] <CIA-8> also allows make -n install to work.
[07:52:39] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
[07:52:39] <CIA-8> new tcl program to replace the 'run' part of setupconfig.tcl. setupconfig.tcl
[07:52:39] <CIA-8> will now be revised to focus only on manipulation of configs (new, delete,
[07:52:39] <CIA-8> backup/restore, etc). The program doesn't work yet, committed only to allow
[07:52:39] <CIA-8> collaboration.
[14:23:57] <jepler> good morning
[14:24:07] <SWPadnos> sez who?
[14:24:09] <SWPadnos> :)
[14:24:26] <SWPadnos> that's kind of an oxymoron
[14:29:31] <alex_joni> good day
[14:30:08] <SWPadnos> that can work
[14:30:17] <alex_joni> ok, good day it is
[14:31:20] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: you had some indian blood in you, right?
[14:31:26] <SWPadnos> nope
[14:31:30] <SWPadnos> Russian and Romanian
[14:32:21] <SWPadnos> add in a little gypsy
[14:32:22] <alex_joni> heh
[14:32:27] <alex_joni> hok-ah-ei
[14:32:30] <alex_joni> they say
[14:33:20] <alex_joni> 'it's a good day to die'
[14:33:29] <SWPadnos> that's Klingons :)
[14:34:07] <alex_joni> might just be
[14:35:26] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: how come romanian?
[14:35:46] <SWPadnos> uh - because some of my grandparents are from there?
[14:35:55] <alex_joni> where from exactly?
[14:35:57] <alex_joni> if you know..
[14:36:12] <SWPadnos> Radovitz and Chernovitz (probably mis-spelled)
[14:37:04] <alex_joni> ok, Radovitz is Radautzi
[14:37:12] <SWPadnos> cool
[14:37:20] <alex_joni> actually spelled R�d�u�i
[14:37:26] <alex_joni> not sure if you can read that
[14:37:35] <SWPadnos> I can see the letters ;)
[14:38:00] <alex_joni> � sounds like gates (the ts at the end)
[14:38:21] <alex_joni> � sounds like the (without the t)
[14:38:27] <SWPadnos> lots of damage during WWII?
[14:38:43] <alex_joni> hrmm, dunno
[14:38:49] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:39:03] <SWPadnos> my mother had said that the towns had basically been destroyed during the war
[14:39:09] <alex_joni> Chernovitz is Cern�u�i
[14:39:18] <alex_joni> most have been destroyed
[14:40:04] <SWPadnos> yes :(
[14:40:25] <alex_joni> here you can see where it is in romania http://www.ici.ro/romania/en/geografie/jsuceava.html
[14:41:42] <alex_joni> I'm over here http://www.ici.ro/romania/en/geografie/jtimis.html
[14:42:07] <SWPadnos> cool
[14:42:08] <SWPadnos> thanks for the links
[14:42:20] <alex_joni> np
[14:43:13] <rayh> logger_aj: bookmark
[14:43:13] <rayh> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-12#T14-43-13
[14:53:48] <wb9mjn> Hey skunk...
[14:53:57] <skunkworks> Hi
[14:54:22] <wb9mjn> Popped into Skunktown on Tuesday night....and picked up the car on Wednesday morning...
[14:54:35] <skunkworks> do you like it?
[14:54:54] <wb9mjn> Yes!!! Did 70 mph cruise for 284 miles and got 42.7 mpg...
[14:55:02] <skunkworks> wow
[14:55:06] <skunkworks> nice
[14:55:19] <wb9mjn> Had headwinds on I88 even....
[14:55:54] <wb9mjn> Showed it off at lunchtime at work on Thursday...everybody who got in and took a ride with me were very impressed...
[14:56:16] <wb9mjn> The lead sales guy wants to buy one now...he does trips over to Ft Wayne and back once a month....
[14:56:21] <skunkworks> what was it again? hybread?
[14:56:30] <wb9mjn> Prius....hybrid ...
[14:56:57] <skunkworks> how is the torque down low?
[14:57:13] <wb9mjn> Kinda like a train, except it has batteries instead of resistors for the brakeing function...
[14:57:47] <wb9mjn> Quite good....off the line smartly....Has about 350 inlbs torque at start....
[14:58:10] <wb9mjn> Drops down to about 100 inlbs at about 10 mph (i m guessing) ...
[14:58:14] <skunkworks> I hear the start from stops are nice also
[14:58:20] <skunkworks> ;)
[14:58:22] <wb9mjn> Then flat at 100 inlbs up to about 70 ....
[14:58:47] <wb9mjn> Very flat torque curve...people have dyno'd them....
[15:00:12] <wb9mjn> The dyno's use spark pickups to scale things...they need one now that uses wheel speed ....
[15:01:28] <wb9mjn> When I test drove the demo car back in October, I squeeled the tires ....
[15:01:31] <skunkworks> my car gets 5-25 mpg depending on how I use the gas pedal
[15:02:03] <wb9mjn> There is some learning-curve with this car too...Think I have improved my mileage by 1 in the two days I ve driven it to work...
[15:02:32] <wb9mjn> Found that the pedal does not go into cruise until u pull all the way back to about 1/8 to 1/4 depresssion...
[15:02:53] <wb9mjn> Whereas withthe SL2 , one would pull back to about a 1/2 to maintain speed....
[15:03:32] <skunkworks> I go by how my o2 sensors are cycling. :) yah I'm a geek
[15:03:48] <wb9mjn> Like the auto temp control, just set it to 70 and left it for the whole trip home...
[15:04:03] <wb9mjn> How do you know they are cycling ?
[15:04:25] <skunkworks> pda
[15:04:31] <wb9mjn> The Prius sometimes runs the engine just to keep the cat. converter and O2 sensors warm enough to work...
[15:04:35] <wb9mjn> Oh...CAN ?
[15:05:27] <wb9mjn> Several people have Prius PDA programs with all sorts of displayed variables they have done that hooks into the OBDII port and watches the
[15:05:27] <skunkworks> It is a piece of software written for dsm's and stealths/3000gts it is called MMCD
[15:05:37] <wb9mjn> CAN (Controller Area Network) signals...
[15:05:39] <skunkworks> this is a 92
[15:05:50] <wb9mjn> DSM ?
[15:05:50] <skunkworks> odb 1
[15:06:01] <skunkworks> laser/eclipts
[15:06:39] <wb9mjn> Probably will try those out...once the pocket book recovers...want to see the engine temp....
[15:06:55] <skunkworks> cool
[15:07:39] <wb9mjn> Prius is a CAN car with a microprocessor in each major subsystem....inverter, ecm, ac, battery ...
[15:08:38] <skunkworks> nice - that would be neet to play with
[15:09:20] <wb9mjn> Oh, and the MFD (multi-function-display) which is also the radio and climate controller....
[15:09:36] <wb9mjn> They have a fancy one which is also a GPS navigation system too...
[15:10:02] <wb9mjn> I went basic, but basic with this car is quite a high level already....
[15:10:18] <wb9mjn> Has ABS and Traction control standard...
[15:10:23] <skunkworks> that is how it is these days
[15:10:49] <skunkworks> can't get just AM radios anymore
[15:11:08] <wb9mjn> Would be neet if it had SW receiver, too , hi...
[15:11:20] <skunkworks> cq cq
[15:11:40] <wb9mjn> And then a Radio Mondial detector, too...
[15:13:56] <wb9mjn> Have to redo my Z drive design with the big servo disk motor...found a mistake....no biggy, just have to retweak the ratio down a little...hopefully,
[15:14:18] <wb9mjn> I will be able to keep the static current under three amps...which will be a 1.5 amp improvement....
[15:14:59] <skunkworks> so you won't need a brake?
[15:15:31] <wb9mjn> I have a brake as a safety feature, enables when servo system is off....
[15:16:17] <wb9mjn> But there is a linear zone (maybe +/- .1 inch) where the servo operates, outside of the zone where the ways bind....
[15:16:31] <wb9mjn> And in that zone, the motor is the counterbalance....
[15:17:14] <wb9mjn> If the ways were perfect, they would never bind and the column would slide right down...Have the break just incase when they ware in
[15:17:35] <wb9mjn> better, and or a little upsetting force happens, the column does not come crashing down.....!!!
[15:18:19] <wb9mjn> I added the brake to the original column....the original used a stepper, which they apparently the original designer thought had enough
[15:18:44] <wb9mjn> unergized torque, through the gear ratio, to keep the column from coming down....
[15:19:23] <wb9mjn> pulley ratio...not gear...
[15:19:31] <skunkworks> right
[15:21:38] <wb9mjn> Just ran the spreadsheet....static current with a 240 inlb top speed at 42 volts is 3.4 amps...that is a 1.1 amp improvement...and this
[15:21:57] <wb9mjn> motor should be able to handle it....
[15:22:32] <wb9mjn> 3.0 : 1 pulley ratio...versus 3.67 which is best or the smaller servo disk motor I got off ebay...
[15:26:04] <wb9mjn> With the smaller motor, max ratio to get the 240 in/min axis speed , at same motor voltage (42) is 4.6:1 ...which is somewhat impractical...
[15:26:26] <wb9mjn> But the holding current is 3.4 amps also in that configuration....wierd how that works out...
[15:33:26] <wb9mjn> Think I am going with the big motor, because the stall torque rating on it has a larger ratio to the holding torque, than the smaller motor....
[15:37:52] <wb9mjn> 140 % overate for the big motor at 3:1 pulley, versus 87 % for the small motor at 4.6:1 pulley ratio, both at 42 volts....
[15:38:31] <wb9mjn> Hopefully, that means the big motor will not get too hot to touch!
[15:38:40] <wb9mjn> anyway....
[15:39:39] <wb9mjn> And I cannot realize the 4.6 ratio ....so a practical small motor design would be even closer to the rating....
[15:40:58] <wb9mjn> Now all I need to do is redesign the 3:1 pulleys, do the plate design and make the thing!
[15:44:39] <skunkworks> sounds like a plan
[15:44:55] <skunkworks> jmk?
[15:45:14] <wb9mjn> The 90 tooth pulley results in a 5.02 inch spacing.....so that s close enough to the original 5.000
[15:45:34] <wb9mjn> Might have to add an idler....SDP-SI site has a pulley spacing calculator....
[15:46:47] <wb9mjn> Might have to go smaller, to have the kevlar belt...which only comes in 5 tooth increments...
[15:54:36] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: Ripped a ton of obsolete code out of pickconfig (stuff left over from the copy of setupconfig that I started from. Still not ready for use.
[15:58:30] <skunkworks> jmk - The issues I had last night with the latest download - I went back a few days. This was a fresh download - not an update. Seems to run smooth at a period of .00005 righ now.
[15:58:49] <jmkasunich> good to hear that
[16:00:54] <skunkworks> think there was a probem running the cvs up -dP
[16:01:07] <skunkworks> too many times over a few months
[16:01:21] <jmkasunich> dunno
[16:01:31] <jmkasunich> I run cvs up a couple times a day it seems
[16:01:38] <jmkasunich> had the same checkout for a year or more
[16:01:57] <skunkworks> ok maybe not then
[16:02:03] <skunkworks> just thinking out loud
[16:02:58] <jmkasunich> I did have funny things happen starting 1/24 when .cvsignore files were added to a couple of previously empty directories
[16:04:39] <alex_joni> morning john
[16:30:54] <staggerlytom> hello all
[16:45:56] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
[16:45:56] <CIA-8> change the readme text when clicking or using the keyboard.
[16:45:56] <CIA-8> move the text over closer to the tree lines
[16:59:04] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: removed some more unused code, the OK button now enables and disables as desired
[17:04:20] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
[17:04:20] <CIA-8> get rid of argument for node_clicked.
[17:04:20] <CIA-8> use the directory name, not the ini name, when there's only one ini per dir
[17:10:49] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: drop .ini from displayed names
[17:53:18] <skunkworks> jepler - did cradek talk to you?
[18:00:09] <skunkworks> sudo apt-get install xlibmesa-dev libxmu-dev python2.3-dev
[18:00:36] <skunkworks> could it be I have not run this - It had changed since the last time I had installed axis
[18:17:16] <dmessier> hello all
[18:17:23] <jepler> skunkworks: I just scrolled back to your error .. I am baffled
[18:18:04] <staggerlytom> bye all
[18:19:04] <jepler> skunkworks: you've had a working version of axis before, you just wanted to upgrade? If so, the 'apt-get' stuff doesn't matter, as long as you were able to build & install the earlier version of axis OK
[18:19:55] <jepler> skunkworks: Are you using axis 1.1.1 or 1.2alpha?
[18:20:20] <skunkworks> this was with 1.2a2
[18:20:26] <skunkworks> I did not try going back yet
[18:21:23] <jepler> If you go back to 1.1.1, make sure to add '--force' to the end of the 'python setup.py install' line, otherwise some files from axis 1.2 won't be overwritten
[18:21:43] <skunkworks> ok
[18:21:51] <skunkworks> thanks
[18:23:39] <skunkworks> earlier version worked fine. It was just last night when I had the emc2 tree (went back a few days and pretty much installed it fresh) then got your latest axis and installed
[18:24:22] <Imperator_> Hi all
[18:24:33] <skunkworks> I ment - I had problems with the emc2 tree
[18:34:29] <dmessier> anybody have any surplus stepper drivers??
[18:48:18] <giacus> hi
[18:48:51] <giacus> whats a susplus stepper driver ?
[18:48:59] <giacus> surplus
[18:49:15] <giacus> l297-8 are a complete driver
[18:50:08] <dmessier> i see
[18:50:46] <giacus> I think its hard to find a gecko as surplus if you meant that :(
[18:51:53] <dmessier> no not at all.. home made is fine by me
[18:52:55] <dmessier> a friend dropped off some old manuals he stumbled upon... there is a timetable from MIT 1913-1914 in it
[18:52:59] <giacus> with a bit of luck you could find a stock of l298 IC's maybe
[18:53:24] <giacus> I found it time ago: 13 IC's E. 15
[18:53:49] <dmessier> ill hunt around
[18:56:13] <giacus> I found it here: http://www.micromed.it/Elettronica/Integrati.htm
[18:56:27] <giacus> if you're not away from italy, you could ask
[18:57:41] <giacus> a kit driver should be available everywhere around 35-40 E.
[18:57:49] <giacus> without PS
[18:59:12] <dmessier> im a long way from italy.. in canada
[18:59:26] <giacus> mmm, not then ..
[18:59:27] <dmessier> brb
[18:59:30] <giacus> k
[19:04:43] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: pickconfig.tcl seems to be working, needs some testing/review/abuse by others, and probably some cleanup. Still shouldn't be used by non-developers
[19:08:33] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in): updated text at the end of configure
[19:12:19] <giacus> mmmhhh
[19:12:32] <giacus> 13:54 -!- billy_kid [n=French@host140-41.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #emc.it
[19:13:18] <giacus> any evening this damn bill_kid comes to the channel to spam and go away ..
[19:13:40] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: tweak some visual alignments
[19:13:47] <giacus> anybody has some idea how to stop it ?
[19:21:16] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: don't display details text unless its a usable config, fix a problem with keyboard navigation
[19:57:17] <fenn> giacus: register your channel with freenode and you can ban him
[19:57:38] <fenn> but it's probably better to try to resolve it peacefully
[19:58:15] <giacus> he's a spammer for fun ..
[19:58:38] <giacus> I think he try all .it channels
[20:25:54] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: When there is no tty, use a graphical program to find out whether to restart emc
[20:26:16] <jepler> though choosing "yes" doesn't seem to work for me. the old axis keeps running ...
[20:26:25] <cradek> jepler: what program?
[20:26:36] <jepler> cradek: wish <<EOF
[20:26:36] <cradek> I looked at Xdialog but I doubt anyone has it installed
[20:27:20] <cradek> eee
[20:27:33] <jepler> iii
[20:27:52] <cradek> eee iii ooo
[20:28:00] <alex_joni> uuu
[20:35:11] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: default from Y/n was wrong
[20:36:26] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: pickconfig no longer takes command line args for desired config, it always displays the GUI chooser
[20:38:15] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: removed an unneeded call to update, so the window doesn't pop up and then vanish if there are no configs found
[20:50:23] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: fix for old BDI4 that return the wrong thing in rtai-config --linux-dir
[21:00:02] <vq> vq is now known as ValarQ
[21:04:04] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as Jymmm
[21:04:32] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: changes to emc.in to use the new config picker
[21:04:55] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: installing tcl/bin as executables
[21:05:54] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[21:06:25] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[21:17:06] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: if pickconfig finds no configs, print the path it searched in the error message
[21:20:43] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: added /usr/local/etc/emc2 as a default place for system wide user-configs
[21:20:52] <robin_sz> meep?
[21:21:02] <jmkasunich> hi
[21:21:05] <jmkasunich> busy day today
[21:21:27] <jmkasunich> collaborative developement at its finest - one file has gone from rev 1.1 to 1.11 in the last 12 hours
[21:21:55] <cradek> better, it's gone from 1.1 to finished
[21:22:01] <SWPadnos> 1.12
[21:22:10] <SWPadnos> :)
[21:22:39] <jmkasunich> cradek: nothing is ever finished
[21:22:46] <jmkasunich> (I still need to sort the listing)
[21:27:26] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): changed default place for configs on the installed version
[21:27:42] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: sort configs in each config path directory
[21:27:49] <jmkasunich> version 1.13 ;-)
[21:28:40] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:30:10] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): borked the path to icons on the last one
[21:31:18] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: using more than one config_dir for the picker now
[21:35:35] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): I need to properly read before commiting
[21:38:16] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: install realtime script as executable
[21:39:36] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): typo
[21:51:03] <k4ts> hello
[21:54:54] <jmkasunich> hi
[21:56:25] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/realtime.in: no longer need to guess whether we're RIP
[22:00:13] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): INSMOD now properly gets defined using EMC2_BIN_DIR
[22:03:07] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/realtime.in: we also need exec_prefix
[22:21:21] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: user config dir must not get expanded until runtime
[22:25:27] <k4ts> night
[22:28:47] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile.inc.in: changed dirs in Makefile.inc.in, now they resemble the ones in emc.in. Only one used right now was for fixing the rtapi.conf
[22:30:21] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/rtapi/Submakefile: updated to proper dir
[22:42:37] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: moved and further up to allow emc_module_helper to be found
[22:58:10] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: scripts need to be executable
[22:58:20] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile.inc.in: need this for rip build
[23:01:07] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: fix install lib search path
[23:07:45] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: tkemc needs these permissions set exactly right