#emc | Logs for 2006-02-05

[00:00:14] <mantikor_> at least for 70 sec.
[00:00:17] <mantikor_> :)
[00:00:30] <mantikor_> then your batteries will glow
[00:00:43] <mantikor_> this model has a input of 1KW
[00:01:11] <robin_sz> heh, wait .. im still watching the madflight video :)
[00:01:19] <robin_sz> the guy flying that? ...
[00:01:20] <mantikor_> where you mention cameras..
[00:01:26] <mantikor_> sure
[00:01:34] <robin_sz> did he practice all morning to learn that? ;)
[00:01:35] <mantikor_> he has the remote controll
[00:01:42] <mantikor_> he a natural
[00:01:47] <robin_sz> too tight
[00:01:48] <mantikor_> *he's*
[00:01:49] <robin_sz> right
[00:01:53] <robin_sz> too right
[00:02:08] <mantikor_> i love the music too
[00:02:31] <mantikor_> a guy at our university build a very interesting thing to make 360° Photos
[00:02:40] <robin_sz> I saw a helicopter guy once, hovered it up and walked to the display are, model hovering backwards in frotn of him, just like it was a balloon on a stick
[00:02:51] <robin_sz> who is the music?
[00:03:00] <alex_joni> sounds like evanescence
[00:03:19] <alex_joni> mantikor_: what would I need to get one of those thingies ;)
[00:03:31] <alex_joni> I imagine plane, motor, control, remote?
[00:04:29] <mantikor_> it is
[00:05:16] <mantikor_> yes
[00:05:34] <robin_sz> Ive done a bit with gliders, but nothing electric or powered inplanes
[00:05:46] <robin_sz> RC boats I have done ... they are fun
[00:05:48] <mantikor_> have you ever seen real 4D flying with a remote controlled helicopter?
[00:05:54] <mantikor_> check this one out:
[00:05:56] <mantikor_> http://tinyurl.com/9dnfb
[00:06:01] <mantikor_> just uploading i
[00:06:05] <mantikor_> it*
[00:06:35] <robin_sz> heli always scred me ... too many bendy bits to break off
[00:06:43] <robin_sz> expensive bits too
[00:06:49] <mantikor_> yes you need a model, the remote controll, batteries, a charger, a propulsion and some effort
[00:07:06] <alex_joni> mantikor_: any place I can get a kit?
[00:07:19] <mantikor_> you won't belive your eyes if you watch that heli video
[00:07:29] <mantikor_> aff-cnc.de
[00:07:40] <alex_joni> nice
[00:07:55] <robin_sz> for the remote cotnrol, use ebay :)
[00:07:58] <mantikor_> the only really good laser-cuted or milled wood kits
[00:08:01] <mantikor_> yes
[00:08:08] <mantikor_> you can also buy planes there
[00:08:09] <robin_sz> lots of nice Futaba gear for very little money
[00:08:17] <mantikor_> right
[00:08:40] <mantikor_> but to learn building and flying i recommend you a wood-kit
[00:08:55] <robin_sz> that heli is half way between being flown and crashing ...
[00:09:14] <robin_sz> wood is nice ... but destrys easy when crashed
[00:09:21] <mantikor_> what is gravity? ;)
[00:09:34] <mantikor_> not if your model is light
[00:09:38] <robin_sz> true
[00:09:43] <mantikor_> and if it has carbon parts
[00:09:47] <robin_sz> ahh :)
[00:10:04] <mantikor_> thats what the libelle or callistic is about
[00:10:19] <mantikor_> high performance and slow enough to learn flying
[00:10:41] <robin_sz> I always fancied hot-wire foam ... soem foam, a hot wire and a make man, many free-flight models for my kids
[00:11:00] <mantikor_> i did that years ago yes
[00:11:20] <mantikor_> but to build in cnc-milled molds is way better for high performance planes
[00:11:44] <mantikor_> shall i upload a high-performance plane video?
[00:11:59] <mantikor_> climbs vertical -> 70m/sec
[00:12:20] <mantikor_> acceleration is less that 1,4sec to 100 km/h
[00:12:45] <mantikor_> that is all real crazy shit
[00:12:55] <mantikor_> and it fascinates me
[00:12:59] <mantikor_> :)
[00:13:26] <mantikor_> he guys
[00:13:35] <robin_sz> heh
[00:13:39] <mantikor_> thank you very much for your time and all advices
[00:13:44] <robin_sz> the pilot is Hungarian?
[00:13:57] <mantikor_> i don't know
[00:14:02] <robin_sz> Szabo ...
[00:14:11] <mantikor_> sounds like
[00:14:15] <mantikor_> right
[00:14:15] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods ...
[00:14:18] <robin_sz> crazy
[00:14:25] <mantikor_> isn't he?
[00:14:32] <robin_sz> but .. we knew that already :)
[00:14:34] <mantikor_> he's even more a natural
[00:14:41] <mantikor_> but more a robot
[00:14:44] <mantikor_> ;)
[00:15:07] <mantikor_> unbeliveable how a human beeing can stear like that
[00:15:32] <robin_sz> it hard to keep the left/right correct as it goes forward, back
[00:15:41] <robin_sz> but inverted ..
[00:15:44] <robin_sz> and spining>
[00:15:46] <robin_sz> ??
[00:15:52] <robin_sz> mind would explode
[00:15:53] <mantikor_> and on the back...
[00:17:52] <mantikor_> i will enclose my whole collection of rc-modell videos to your gift
[00:18:01] <mantikor_> if you don't mind
[00:18:51] <robin_sz> :)
[00:18:59] <robin_sz> let me see what i can do for you :)
[00:19:12] <mantikor_> ok, one last one before i go to bed
[00:20:40] <mantikor_> http://tinyurl.com/b3m7s
[00:20:48] <mantikor_> thats a 22mb file
[00:21:00] <mantikor_> needs 15min for upload
[00:21:25] <mantikor_> 12 min left
[00:23:14] <robin_sz> ? might have ...
[00:23:18] <robin_sz> might have
[00:24:03] <mantikor_> nice to talk to you all
[00:24:06] <mantikor_> good n8
[00:36:02] <robin_sz> bah ... silly internet
[00:36:26] <robin_sz> logger_aj: bookmark?
[00:36:26] <robin_sz> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-05#T00-36-26
[00:37:07] <skunkworks> is that automated?
[00:37:42] <skunkworks> logger_aj: bookmark?
[00:37:42] <skunkworks> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-02-05#T00-37-42
[00:37:44] <skunkworks> cool
[00:37:54] <alex_joni> logger_aj: help
[00:38:41] <giacus> alex_joni: is logger_aj java ?
[00:38:48] <alex_joni> no, perl
[00:38:57] <giacus> nice
[00:38:58] <alex_joni> bye all.. I'm off to bed
[00:39:03] <giacus> night
[00:39:07] <skunkworks> Hey - I just installed the latest emc build
[00:39:12] <skunkworks> emc2
[00:39:14] <k4ts> night
[00:39:17] <skunkworks> night
[00:39:22] <alex_joni> emc2 deb?
[00:39:44] <alex_joni> skunkworks: deb? cvs? or tgz?
[00:39:45] <skunkworks> I did a -Dp
[00:39:53] <alex_joni> oh, cvs.. nice
[00:39:58] <alex_joni> I'm really off now
[00:40:06] <skunkworks> It runs quit a bit slower
[00:40:26] <skunkworks> I was running a period of .00005 -
[00:40:58] <skunkworks> I had to up that quite a bit - .0006 was "ok" but I will probably need to increase that
[00:41:44] <skunkworks> suprised me - It has probably been a month sence I had updated it
[00:42:56] <jmkasunich> it went from 50uS to 600uS?!?
[00:43:08] <skunkworks> sorry - no .00006
[00:43:17] <skunkworks> I alwas miss a zero
[00:43:40] <robin_sz> beats me why we cant just have "60us" ...
[00:44:08] <jmkasunich> yeah, that is annoying
[00:44:19] <robin_sz> hi john :)
[00:44:33] <jmkasunich> heh - submit a feature request, maybe we can do that for release 2.2
[00:44:36] <jmkasunich> hi robin
[00:45:00] <jmkasunich> anybody here remember the magic incantation to burn an iso using cdrecord?
[00:45:06] <jmkasunich> oops, gotta run, back in a few
[00:45:07] <skunkworks> this is still on a 450mhz - might just have to update the computer?
[00:45:12] <robin_sz> not me
[00:45:18] <robin_sz> 'k
[00:45:37] <robin_sz> * robin_sz downloads some more evanesence tracks
[00:46:13] <robin_sz> I shall play that next time I go skiing.
[00:46:26] <robin_sz> I shall most certainly NOT play that whislt driving!
[00:48:03] <giacus> jmkasunich: to burn a cd ?
[00:48:16] <robin_sz> just light one corner?
[00:49:15] <giacus> cdrecord -scanbus
[00:49:22] <giacus> to find the device
[00:50:30] <giacus> cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=48 -data /path/to/iso
[00:50:36] <giacus> or something ..
[00:50:53] <jmkasunich> sounds familiar
[00:51:00] <jmkasunich> I should write these things down
[00:51:56] <giacus> it may turn on/off burnfree, depend on your cd writer ..
[00:59:29] <robin_sz> im afraid I my only cd burner is in a doze machine ...
[00:59:34] <robin_sz> I use Roxio on that
[01:10:55] <giacus> K, bed calls me ..
[01:10:58] <giacus> Night
[01:11:02] <jmkasunich> night
[01:11:14] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[01:15:49] <fenn> crikey why is it every time i do or think about something.. someone else is talking about it on irc
[01:16:18] <fenn> * fenn is screwing around with authoring DVD's
[01:17:56] <cncuser> boing
[01:24:51] <cncuser> hi SWPadnos
[01:24:55] <SWPadnos> h ithere
[01:24:59] <SWPadnos> no - wait
[01:25:00] <SWPadnos> hi there
[01:25:04] <SWPadnos> how's that? :)
[01:25:11] <cncuser> SWPadnos: sound allright
[01:25:17] <SWPadnos> phew
[01:25:29] <cncuser> SWPadnos: whats up ? still getting your puter out of idle ?
[01:25:35] <SWPadnos> kind of
[01:26:01] <SWPadnos> I'll probably break down and buy VMWare, or wait long enough for QEMU networking to get fixed :)
[01:26:02] <cncuser> what does uptime say about load average ?
[01:26:09] <SWPadnos> well - O
[01:26:20] <SWPadnos> well - I'd have to boot the machine to tell you ;)
[01:26:21] <cncuser> well, muhc to do
[01:26:32] <cncuser> hmmm
[01:26:55] <cncuser> SWPadnos: why do you shut down ?
[01:27:22] <SWPadnos> because I don't want to leave the machine consuming power when I'm not using it
[01:27:43] <cncuser> hmmm
[01:28:02] <cncuser> SWPadnos: what do you have the machnine for ?
[01:28:25] <SWPadnos> It's for a specific project, which hasn't really started yet
[01:28:53] <SWPadnos> also, most of my development software runs on Windows, so I still use my old machine
[01:28:55] <SWPadnos> (like now)
[01:30:35] <cncuser> what bug did you find in the qemu networking ?
[01:30:58] <SWPadnos> it doesn't work on that machine
[01:31:47] <cncuser> if you got the lists and faqs threw, send abugreport
[01:31:51] <cncuser> good night
[01:31:56] <SWPadnos> I will
[02:19:02] <Sparky_> Greets everybody, Gene H. here
[02:19:43] <jepler> hi "Sparky_".
[02:21:46] <Sparky_> Hi, not much of an irc fan, just thought I'd lurk for a while to see if anything interesting goes by
[02:22:50] <Sparky_> Looking at the icons, I had assumed the dark ones were 'away' markers, and they all are, including me
[02:23:32] <Sparky_> So I guess I don't know a heck of a lot about the mozilla irc client. Nothing new :)
[02:24:46] <Sparky_> I'm sitting here trying to recall how I managed to do away with the once triggered it was forever joint error in emc2, but don't recall exactly what I changed now.
[02:24:46] <jepler> It may be a sign of "ops"
[02:25:36] <Sparky_> Ahh, maybe. I run a 1600x1200 screen, and it seriously needs bigger icons and fonts, this is like reading 4 point type.
[02:26:11] <jepler> I know how you feel
[02:27:00] <jepler> it's worst when browsing the web
[02:27:00] <SWPadnos> dark = not op, light = op, italic/grayed name = away
[02:27:07] <Sparky_> Humm, now I seem to recall that I'd set the MAXVEL and MAX_ACCEL in the axis settings a lot higher than in the tp section, and things got a lot bettter behaved.
[02:27:45] <Sparky_> Apparently the axis stuff needs lots of headroom over the TP stuffs?
[02:27:55] <SWPadnos> shouldn't
[02:28:05] <SWPadnos> emc should use the lower of the two
[02:28:18] <SWPadnos> (I think cradek fixed that a couple of months ago)
[02:28:55] <SWPadnos> were you ever able to get the BASE_PERIOD down into reasonable range?
[02:29:42] <Sparky_> If I set the TP section stuffs to MAXVEL=,85, which is above the speeds atainable, and then set the axis stuff to .65, which is, then a joint error is a joint error for dezens of F2's
[02:30:35] <SWPadnos> and if you set both the TP and axis sections to 0.65, what happens?
[02:30:56] <Sparky_> BASE_PERIOD, no, it freezes the box at about .000042, so I trun at 50 us.
[02:31:16] <SWPadnos> this is a 2.53GHz celeron? (or is that someone else?)
[02:31:30] <Sparky_> axis errors are firever, or until the program is restarted.
[02:31:52] <Sparky_> No, XP1400 Althlon, running at 1400mhz
[02:31:57] <SWPadnos> ok
[02:32:01] <Sparky_> damn typus
[02:32:27] <SWPadnos> by the way - the Athlons are rated in "PR" ratings, not MHz, so the question about 1400 MHz vs. XP1800 is moot
[02:32:35] <SWPadnos> an XP1800 should be at 1.4 or 1.5 GHz
[02:32:43] <SWPadnos> (or thereabouts)
[02:33:16] <Sparky_> All bios and dmesg thonks its running at 1400mhz with about 2x that for bogomips
[02:33:25] <SWPadnos> normal
[02:33:43] <SWPadnos> I'm on an Athlon XP1800 right now, and it runs at 1.33 GHz, I believe
[02:33:52] <SWPadnos> (or 1.533 - can't remember)
[02:36:14] <Sparky_> from its messages.0 file, last boot
[02:37:06] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [4294667.296000] Initializing CPU#0
[02:37:07] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [4294667.296000] Adeos 2.6r12/x86: Root domain Linux registered.
[02:37:08] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [4294667.296000] PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes)
[02:37:10] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [ 0.000000] Detected 1396.897 MHz processor.
[02:37:12] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [ 18.559587] Using tsc for high-res timesource
[02:37:13] <Sparky_> Jan 15 19:25:07 shop kernel: [ 18.559624] Console: colour dummy device 80x25
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Later, when I'd started emc2, this was logged:
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:39 shop kernel: [91137.030395] RTAI[sched_lxrt]: timer=periodic (8254-PIT).
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:39 shop kernel: [91137.030399] RTAI[sched_lxrt]: standard tick=1000 hz, CPU freq=1193180 hz.
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:39 shop kernel: [91137.030404] RTAI[sched_lxrt]: timer setup=1676 ns, resched latency=2514 ns.
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> And a few lnes later, this:
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398744] MOTION: init_threads() starting...
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398749] HAL: creating thread base-thread, 40000 nsec
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398793] HAL: thread created
[02:46:13] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398798] HAL: creating thread servo-thread, 800000 nsec
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398806] HAL: thread created
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398810] HAL: creating thread traj-thread, 8000000 nsec
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398850] HAL: thread created
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398914] MOTION: setting Traj cycle time to 8000000 nsecs
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398920] MOTION: setting Servo cycle time to 800000 nsecs
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 20:43:40 shop kernel: [91137.398925] MOTION: init_threads() complete
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> which doesn't seem to follow the .ini file settings.
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Oops, that the one that killed the machine, but this one only lagged awfull
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307380] HAL: creating thread base-thread, 45000 nsec
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307425] HAL: thread created
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307429] HAL: creating thread servo-thread, 900000 nsec
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307437] HAL: thread created
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307441] HAL: creating thread traj-thread, 9000000 nsec
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307485] HAL: thread created
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307554] MOTION: setting Traj cycle time to 9000000 nsecs
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307561] MOTION: setting Servo cycle time to 900000 nsecs
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Jan 16 21:22:08 shop kernel: [93149.307565] MOTION: init_threads() complete
[02:46:14] <Sparky_> Hi John K.
[02:46:14] <jmkasunich2> hi
[02:46:46] <jmkasunich2> alex_jon1: you are supposed to be sleeping
[02:47:00] <jmkasunich2> maybe he is
[02:48:38] <Sparky_> Awake? Whats that? I did a graveyard this morning at the transmitter but it was fine
[02:49:23] <Sparky_> Need caffiene, think I'll go make some tea, brb
[02:55:04] <Sparky_> back
[02:56:33] <Sparky_> The regular meeting is at 11 AM my time in EST?
[03:04:31] <Sparky_> Looking at the users map at frapper, I feel pretty lonesome, only user in WV.
[03:05:33] <Sparky_> but I do talk it up when I et a chance at the local machine shops. But it seems so much of their work is in onsies, repairs
[03:06:13] <Sparky_> I'll ee if I can remember to check in tomorrow, good night all
[03:16:03] <fenn> that guy sure talks a lot
[03:20:14] <CIA-8> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: modify almost works.
[03:28:50] <Jymmm> lol @ fenn
[03:37:48] <LawrenceG> Jymmm: hey... whats up?
[06:44:08] <Jymmm> LawrenceG same ol same o =)
[06:48:52] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[06:59:10] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_sleep
[08:21:40] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[12:01:43] <giacus_afk> giacus_afk is now known as giacus
[12:02:25] <giacus> G Sunday
[12:05:14] <cncuser> good morning
[12:06:39] <cncuser> i did a cvs checkout of emc2 again. the same hang. the only errormessage ic is "glibc detected...double free or corruption (?prev):0x08078980 ... well, i know thats doesnt help much :) how can i make the output more verbose ?
[12:21:17] <cncuser> hmmkay
[12:21:23] <cncuser> in qmeu it works :)
[12:21:38] <cncuser> maybe its really something with period
[12:24:55] <cncuser> reduced base_period to 0.000050
[13:15:42] <cncuser> hmmm
[13:16:14] <cncuser> does anyone have a 1 month old emc2 checkout ?
[13:16:58] <cncuser> i want to see if i fucked up my environment or if really something changed in emc2 causing my hangs
[13:17:42] <alex_joni> cncuser: check out one
[13:17:54] <alex_joni> cvs co -d:10.01.2006
[13:17:59] <alex_joni> or something like that
[13:18:27] <cncuser> alex_joni: ah i c. never did more then simple checkouts and updates with cvs
[13:19:37] <alex_joni> -d lets you select the date
[13:19:59] <alex_joni> it's very flexible (-d yesterday, -d last month, etc) if I remember it correctly
[13:20:54] <cncuser> thanks :)
[13:21:06] <cncuser> ok need to reboot
[13:21:08] <cncuser> cu later
[13:53:30] <alex_joni> morning Martin
[13:53:36] <alex_joni> bye Martin
[13:53:36] <alex_joni> ;)
[13:53:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away for a while
[13:53:43] <Imperator_> Hi Alex
[13:53:48] <Imperator_> cu
[14:54:01] <giacus> http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2006/02/media_war.html#comments
[14:54:17] <giacus> Wikipedia, the greatest encyclopaedia in the world, has disallowed access from the Congress of the United States.
[15:10:50] <jepler> good morning
[15:10:59] <cradek> hi jepler
[15:11:01] <rayh> morning jeff
[15:11:11] <rayh> hi chris
[15:31:25] <rayh> I got a request from Roland Freestad for an outline of what the EMC bunch want to do during cnc-workshop this year?
[15:31:31] <rayh> Got any suggestions?
[15:33:11] <cradek> not sure - I haven't been to one before
[15:34:47] <rayh> We have a 50x80 room full of machines just for us.
[15:35:04] <rayh> We'll have web and networking available.
[15:35:36] <rayh> The Mazak is there and will be available for testing.
[15:35:43] <rayh> Or running.
[15:36:01] <rayh> There are a couple of punch presses we could convert.
[15:36:30] <cradek> will this be before or after the emc2 release? That's the priority in my mind
[15:36:56] <rayh> long after. That should happen in the next week or so.<g>
[15:38:02] <cradek> well that's good to know
[15:40:14] <rayh> There will be "lectures" throughout the week.
[15:40:45] <rayh> and a swap meet on Friday/Saturday. An auction of leftovers.
[15:41:01] <rayh> on Sunday I think.
[15:41:22] <cradek> is there a timetable online somewhere?
[15:41:31] <cradek> I have heard about this event only in passing so far
[15:42:12] <rayh> It was a lot of fun last year. Sorta experimental and a lot of unexpected twists.
[15:42:31] <cradek> yeah it sounds fun
[15:42:54] <cradek> an obvious thing to do is get emc2 running as much stuff as possible there.
[15:43:03] <rayh> I'm thinking of working up handouts for HAL and CL
[15:43:12] <rayh> and EMC2
[15:43:28] <cradek> something about CL would be nice
[15:43:40] <cradek> what's the date?
[15:43:45] <rayh> Present each using a projector so folk can see changes.
[15:44:00] <rayh> May something. www.cnc-workshop.com
[15:46:28] <cradek> yikes I have to pay to get in?
[15:48:45] <jepler> - Mail payment to: [broken image]
[15:49:00] <cradek> ok maybe not then
[15:50:15] <cradek> rayh: having been to the last one, you have a much better idea of what we could do
[15:50:50] <rayh> The day is pretty much ours. We have access to all kinds of machinery to make retrofit parts.
[15:51:25] <rayh> Last year I was planning on spending full time on the mazak but about 25 folk wanted me to tell them about the emc.
[15:51:40] <rayh> So mornings were taken up with lecture demo.
[15:51:49] <rayh> afternoons were taken up with the mazak.
[15:52:25] <rayh> I know of at least one fellow who plans to bring a desktop mill for retrofit.
[15:52:37] <rayh> servos with a m5i20 card
[15:53:11] <cradek> how many ubuntu CDs did you order?
[15:53:33] <rayh> I'm thinking that this would be a good time to get the NML ready for handwheel and real buttons for cycle start and such.
[15:53:57] <rayh> 5 but for the integrationFest we should get a hundred.
[15:54:54] <rayh> I'd think we could work with anyone who brings a pc to install emc2.
[15:55:06] <cradek> sure, that would be great
[15:55:21] <rayh> And in small groups to retrofit various "small" projects.
[15:55:40] <rayh> I think the mazak was a bit ambitious -- and I take the blame for that.
[15:56:18] <cradek> seems like it was a good project but you just didn't have enough time.
[15:56:31] <rayh> Yep.
[15:56:46] <rayh> And I arrived with the idea of using most of the existing wiring.
[15:56:51] <rayh> Which was a total bust.
[15:57:35] <rayh> With a machine like that you have to plan on bringing most of the drives and IO up to date.
[15:57:43] <rayh> rather than trying to use the existing.
[15:58:02] <rayh> It turned out that mazak built at least three versions of the machine
[15:58:25] <rayh> and the one we got was a lot different from the one DaveE has.
[15:59:11] <rayh> But now we have a spindle encoder, servo dynamics drives and a lot of abilities that the original did not have.
[15:59:43] <cradek> so is it done?
[16:00:06] <rayh> There are two G&L mills in the room where we will be.
[16:01:11] <rayh> x travel > 8' y travel > 3' and z >5' if someone wants to tackle something like that.
[16:01:21] <rayh> One has a major tool changer also.
[16:01:50] <cradek> yikes
[16:02:12] <rayh> That would give us a chance to prove that EMC scales well.
[16:28:40] <jepler_> jepler_ is now known as jepler
[17:20:29] <alex_joni> hello all
[17:24:01] <robin_sz> did the mazak eventually run?
[17:24:09] <robin_sz> in a production useful way?
[17:24:21] <robin_sz> I know it got close
[17:24:40] <rayh> We still have a ways to go for automatic tool change.
[17:24:46] <robin_sz> right
[17:24:54] <robin_sz> I thought that would be a show stopper
[17:24:59] <robin_sz> too many stubs in emc
[17:25:11] <rayh> Hold a button till you get to the right carousel pocket and it's good to go.
[17:25:16] <robin_sz> I forget, did you emc1 or emc2 it?
[17:25:22] <rayh> emc2
[17:25:27] <rayh> and there are no show stoppers.
[17:25:37] <robin_sz> in emc2 id agreee
[17:25:52] <robin_sz> in emc1 toolchange was never really done
[17:26:06] <robin_sz> but Johns HAL stuff shold make it a snap in emc2
[17:26:10] <rayh> Sure it was. It ran on the k&t.
[17:26:10] <alex_joni> emc2 & CL took care of most of the logic in emc2
[17:26:26] <alex_joni> robin_sz: in emc1 it was more hardcoded
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> in emc2 it's more flexible
[17:26:39] <alex_joni> if it's flexible enough is still to be proven
[17:27:15] <robin_sz> I saw lots of "not there" bits when I looked at emc1 just stubs in various palces
[17:27:25] <robin_sz> but, yeah emc2 is very capabale
[17:28:20] <robin_sz> so overall the mazak was a success then
[17:28:55] <alex_joni> robin_sz: it improved emc2 a lot
[17:29:01] <alex_joni> and the other way around
[17:29:02] <alex_joni> :D
[17:29:11] <robin_sz> yeah
[17:29:31] <robin_sz> its amazing how the best thouht out things suddenly need a rework when you put them into practice
[17:29:45] <alex_joni> lol, indeed that's right
[17:30:17] <robin_sz> the handwheel sounded very kewl though
[17:30:44] <rayh> Roland built a encoder drive and spindle orient works better than it did before. (it didn't before)
[17:30:56] <robin_sz> right
[17:30:59] <rayh> Geer change works
[17:31:06] <rayh> or is that gear change
[17:31:07] <robin_sz> I remember now, someone had removed it or soemsuch
[17:31:31] <rayh> They replaced the mits spindle drive with an aftermarket
[17:31:48] <rayh> then cobbled up a bunch of relays to orient.
[17:32:00] <rayh> but it wouldn't.
[17:32:13] <rayh> well within about 30 degrees
[17:32:17] <rayh> it would.
[17:32:33] <rayh> made some pretty gouges in the tool holders,
[17:32:57] <rayh> jmk got it within 1/4 of a degree every time.
[17:33:23] <rayh> I just didn't get the carousel completed. Will do that in a couple of weeks.
[17:33:54] <rayh> The ATC tool commands are all in the HAL
[17:34:03] <rayh> just need to CL it
[17:36:25] <rayh> We do need to build a reverse path from HAL into some of the EMC NML like cycle start and feedrate override.
[17:37:12] <alex_joni> that's the vcp path I think
[17:37:16] <rayh> and add a few things like handwheel, handwheel multiplier, and connect handwheel to axis #
[17:37:40] <rayh> This isn't virtual at all.
[17:37:56] <alex_joni> then the other component..
[17:37:57] <rayh> so if it's a vcp then we should name that better.
[17:38:15] <alex_joni> or maybe extend iocontrol with signals that go the other way
[17:39:09] <rayh> Right or write a emccontrol
[17:39:19] <alex_joni> halemccontrol ;)
[17:39:53] <rayh> something like that.
[17:44:56] <alex_joni> awfully quiet today
[17:50:59] <rayh> bbl
[17:51:10] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-away
[17:51:25] <jmk_sleep> jmk_sleep is now known as jmkasunich
[18:12:10] <skunkworks> jmk?
[18:12:17] <jmkasunich> dats' me
[18:12:22] <alex_joni> samco
[18:12:24] <skunkworks> Hi
[18:12:43] <skunkworks> question
[18:13:43] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[18:13:55] <jmkasunich> skunkworks: shoot
[18:14:15] <skunkworks> do you know what changed within the last month that slowed emc2 down? (pentium II 450) and would a faster computer help - when I goofed around with a faster computer before it didn't seem to help (the period had to be about the same)
[18:14:41] <skunkworks> Now I am running a period of .00007 vs .00005 which slows my rapids a bit
[18:14:49] <skunkworks> steppers
[18:14:50] <alex_joni> nothing changed.. what config are you using?
[18:15:07] <alex_joni> did you try to checkout an month old CVS and see if it's still faster?
[18:15:16] <skunkworks> I had installed over the top of what was there.
[18:15:23] <skunkworks> I can do that
[18:15:35] <skunkworks> how would I check out a month old one
[18:15:47] <alex_joni> check out to a new directory using:
[18:16:12] <jmkasunich> next to nothing has been changed in the realtime code recently, most effort has been concentrated on configuration and config management
[18:16:15] <alex_joni> cvs co -d 01.01.2006
[18:16:29] <skunkworks> Thanks
[18:16:32] <jmkasunich> not quite...
[18:16:40] <jmkasunich> you should preserve your existing checkout
[18:16:44] <jmkasunich> so go up one level
[18:17:00] <alex_joni> I said "to a new directory"
[18:17:27] <jmkasunich> then you can't just do cvs co, you need the whole long line with -d:pserver:blahblah
[18:17:34] <alex_joni> yup
[18:17:41] <skunkworks> Ok
[18:17:52] <jmkasunich> and you should have an option in there to set the directory, it defaults to emc2
[18:17:57] <alex_joni> and probably my -d date wasn't very foolproof, but I trust you find the answer in man ;)
[18:18:03] <alex_joni> -d dir ;)
[18:18:07] <alex_joni> -d date
[18:18:18] <alex_joni> but one goes before co, the other after
[18:18:27] <alex_joni> can't recall which is which
[18:18:27] <skunkworks> the lates install gives you a blurp saying that "to run in place use .... command"
[18:18:29] <alex_joni> :P
[18:18:31] <skunkworks> that worked for me
[18:18:41] <skunkworks> after the make
[18:18:46] <alex_joni> skunkworks: only root permissions were changed
[18:18:50] <skunkworks> ok
[18:18:55] <alex_joni> now emc2 isn't run as root anymore
[18:19:44] <skunkworks> could it be the latest axis? I could run the stock interface also to see.
[18:20:01] <jmkasunich> that would be surprizing, but not impossible
[18:20:15] <alex_joni> unlikely
[18:20:23] <jmkasunich> what distro are you running? BDI-something?
[18:20:24] <alex_joni> axis is user-space, as is any GUI
[18:20:26] <skunkworks> I just need to find time to play with it some more
[18:20:29] <skunkworks> bdi 4.3
[18:20:35] <alex_joni> 4.30 I hope
[18:20:42] <jmkasunich> 4.30 you mean?
[18:20:46] <skunkworks> right
[18:21:11] <skunkworks> sorry - I know there is a 4.38 out - I am using 4.30
[18:22:13] <jmkasunich> the numbering is 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4----4.9 4.10 4.11, 4.12, etc, so .3 != .30 ;-)
[18:23:07] <skunkworks> my mistake - 4.30 I get lasy typing
[18:23:14] <alex_joni> skunkworks: no biggie
[18:23:21] <jmkasunich> it is kinda strange, with numbers, 4.9 is a lot higher than 4.10, but with versions its lower ;-)
[18:23:35] <skunkworks> confusing
[18:23:50] <alex_joni> should have been called 4.09
[18:24:09] <cradek> that only works if you think you'll have <= 99 releases
[18:24:15] <jmkasunich> yeah
[18:24:26] <alex_joni> you can call them 08, 09, 0A, 0B ..
[18:25:44] <skunkworks> cradek - how do I install the axis-1.1-1.1.1.patch
[18:26:33] <cradek> skunkworks: assuming you already have a 1.1 tree, you just apply the patch and rebuild
[18:26:45] <skunkworks> yes
[18:26:48] <skunkworks> ......
[18:27:02] <skunkworks> I have only applied a patch once
[18:27:07] <skunkworks> a long time ago
[18:27:14] <cradek> try patch -p0 <patchfile
[18:27:23] <cradek> or -p1
[18:27:46] <skunkworks> thank - I will try that
[18:27:46] <cradek> or download the new tarball instead
[18:27:52] <skunkworks> or I can do that
[18:27:53] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:27:59] <jepler> downloading 1.1.1 is probably better
[18:28:26] <skunkworks> I have it - just did not appy the patch yet
[18:28:29] <jepler> I know that for the 1.2 development cycle, the patches are not dependable, because updates frequently change binary files, and those differences aren't shown in diffs...
[18:28:48] <jepler> I don't think there are any such cases going from 1.1 to 1.1.1, though.
[19:03:49] <Sparky_> Hi all
[19:04:43] <Sparky_> Alex, can you tell me where the bdi list has moved to?
[19:04:54] <cradek> google for bdi4emc
[19:06:31] <cradek> it's the first several hits
[19:06:57] <alex_joni> ourproject smthg
[19:08:42] <Sparky_> Got it, send sub request, thanks.
[19:09:26] <Sparky_> How is emc2 coming along?
[19:11:05] <cradek> great
[19:12:50] <Sparky_> I did a cvs up -dP and rebuilt friday a week ago, should I do a fresh cvs up now?
[19:14:16] <jepler> Sparky_: there have been quite a few check-ins to emc2 in the last 10 days
[19:15:25] <jepler> Sparky_: You can easily see the changes and their check-in messages on my experimental site: http://axis.unpy.net/gitweb.cgi?p=emc.git;a=shortlog
[19:15:46] <Sparky_> Ok, I'l go do a fresh pull then. I'd tried to play with subroutines but the example script errors before it gets to the sub stuffs
[19:15:56] <Sparky_> brb after I do that.
[19:20:14] <Sparky_> Unforch, make errors instantly with:
[19:20:32] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2# chown -R gene:users *
[19:20:34] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2# cd src
[19:20:36] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2/src# su gene
[19:20:37] <Sparky_> gene@shop:~/emc2/src$ make
[19:20:39] <Sparky_> chmod +x ../scripts/emc
[19:20:40] <Sparky_> chmod +x ../scripts/realtime
[19:20:42] <Sparky_> chmod: cannot access `../scripts/realtime': No such file or directory
[19:20:43] <Sparky_> make: *** [all] Error 1
[19:20:45] <Sparky_> when trying as the user gene
[19:20:53] <jepler> Sparky_: did you run ./configure first?
[19:21:00] <alex_joni> you didn't run configure
[19:21:04] <jepler> Sparky_: scripts/emc is created from scripts/emc.in by configure
[19:21:08] <Sparky_> duh! Brb
[19:21:23] <jepler> strange way of going about things, to su from root to user to build...
[19:22:03] <Sparky_> now its cooking along
[19:22:10] <jepler> oh good
[19:22:37] <Sparky_> Well, I logged in as root with an ssh -X from hhere, which means I was root there.
[19:22:42] <jepler> oh, I see
[19:23:25] <Sparky_> I'm going to have to make a script out of that I guess :)
[19:23:35] <jepler> "ssh -l gene -X ..." ?
[19:23:59] <Sparky_> Otherwise the old fart tends to forget those little details, darnit...
[19:24:21] <jepler> in ~/.ssh/config you can set the username you use when logging in
[19:24:39] <Sparky_> I'm not sure if gene is allowed from the network, haven't tried TBT
[19:25:01] <alex_joni> gene should always be allowed, it's more likely root isn't
[19:25:16] <jepler> The block of lines in ~/.ssh/config would look like this:
[19:25:17] <jepler> Host example
[19:25:17] <jepler> User gene
[19:25:17] <jepler> ForwardX11 yes
[19:25:29] <Sparky_> Yeah, but thats universal & shop isn't the only box here. I ned root to do things on the firewall.
[19:25:31] <jepler> Once you get that right, you also don't have to remember "-X" every time
[19:26:05] <Sparky_> Humm, ISTR I forgot that and it didn't work one day last week.
[19:27:16] <Sparky_> Which might have been me, X11Forwarding seems to come and go with the phase of the moon or which side you keep your chaw of redman on.
[19:27:27] <Sparky_> But then I don't chew, so thats out.
[19:28:45] <Sparky_> Humm, new message at the end of the make, an odd place for it considering its contents:
[19:28:50] <Sparky_> ########################################################
[19:28:51] <Sparky_> # If you intend to run-in-place (without make install) #
[19:28:53] <Sparky_> # don't forget to run: sudo make setuid #
[19:28:54] <Sparky_> ########################################################
[19:29:07] <cradek> that's exactly the right place for it
[19:29:14] <cradek> if it were at the beginning, nobody would read it
[19:29:32] <Sparky_> Are you saying I should make clean and do it again
[19:29:41] <cradek> no, you should do that command now
[19:30:18] <cradek> hmm I see what you mean
[19:30:20] <ottos> good day gents.. full house I see...
[19:30:28] <cradek> maybe it should say "don't forget to now run"
[19:31:28] <alex_joni> cradek: I think :"please issue this command now:"
[19:31:55] <ottos> I'm wondering if anyone has mounted smbfs on the new iso, bdi 4.38??
[19:32:17] <Sparky_> Not here, still 4.30
[19:32:46] <alex_joni> ottos: having problems?
[19:32:53] <Sparky_> And I had a problem unmounting it, seems fam is watching it locking the umount out.
[19:33:23] <Sparky_> On this box, not on the bdi box, and I haven't foiund the fam starter here yet.
[19:33:26] <ottos> ya mount smbfs on bdi is not working...get bad superblock...
[19:33:42] <alex_joni> ottos: I had that with a bad kernel once
[19:33:45] <Sparky_> It does ok on 4/.30...
[19:33:56] <SWP_Away> "You should now run ..."
[19:33:59] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[19:34:20] <alex_joni> guess you need to bug paul on his bdi project site
[19:34:46] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/Makefile: clarification
[19:35:19] <Sparky_> Well, it just ran 3D_Chips till line N9270, right above the feet. z axis following error.
[19:36:17] <Sparky_> I've commented some of the redundency out of that file, it seems to easily trigger a foillowing error if the motion reversses, or if its a continuation in the same direction.
[19:37:11] <SWPadnos> what are the [TRAJ}max vel + max accel, and the [AXIS_2]max_vel + max_accel + stepgen_max_{either of those}, plus the steps/inch on that axis?
[19:38:36] <Sparky_> ###############################################################################
[19:38:38] <Sparky_> # Trajectory planner section
[19:38:40] <Sparky_> ###############################################################################
[19:38:41] <Sparky_> [TRAJ]
[19:38:43] <Sparky_> #+ machine specific settings
[19:38:45] <Sparky_> AXES = 3
[19:38:46] <Sparky_> # COORDINATES = X Y Z R P W
[19:38:48] <Sparky_> COORDINATES = X Y Z
[19:38:49] <Sparky_> HOME = 0 0 0
[19:38:51] <Sparky_> LINEAR_UNITS = 0.03937007874016
[19:38:52] <Sparky_> ANGULAR_UNITS = 1.0
[19:38:54] <Sparky_> CYCLE_TIME = 0.010
[19:38:55] <Sparky_> DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 0.0267
[19:38:57] <Sparky_> MAX_VELOCITY = 0.67
[19:38:58] <Sparky_> DEFAULT_ACCELERATION = 9.0
[19:39:00] <Sparky_> MAX_ACCELERATION = 10.0
[19:39:11] <Sparky_> #+ Third axis
[19:39:13] <Sparky_> [AXIS_2]
[19:39:15] <Sparky_> TYPE = LINEAR
[19:39:16] <Sparky_> UNITS = 0.03937007874016
[19:39:17] <Sparky_> HOME = 0.0
[19:39:19] <Sparky_> MAX_VELOCITY = 0.63
[19:39:21] <Sparky_> MAX_ACCELERATION = 10.0
[19:39:22] <Sparky_> STEPGEN_MAXVEL = 0.68
[19:39:23] <Sparky_> STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 10.5
[19:39:25] <Sparky_> BACKLASH = 0.000
[19:39:27] <Sparky_> CYCLE_TIME = 0.001000
[19:39:28] <Sparky_> INPUT_SCALE = -8000 0
[19:39:30] <Sparky_> OUTPUT_SCALE = 1.000 0.000
[19:39:31] <Sparky_> MIN_LIMIT = -48.0
[19:39:33] <Sparky_> MAX_LIMIT = 48.0
[19:39:34] <Sparky_> FERROR = 0.006
[19:39:36] <Sparky_> MIN_FERROR = 0.003
[19:39:37] <Sparky_> HOME_OFFSET = 0.0
[19:39:39] <Sparky_> HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0.0
[19:39:40] <Sparky_> HOME_LATCH_VEL = 0.0
[19:39:42] <Sparky_> HOME_USE_INDEX = NO
[19:39:44] <Sparky_> HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS = NO
[19:40:22] <SWPadnos> and BASE_PERIOD is still 50 us?
[19:41:16] <Sparky_> BASE_PERIOD = 0.000049
[19:41:25] <Sparky_> From the log:
[19:42:24] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643455] MOTION: init_threads() starting...
[19:42:25] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643461] HAL: creating thread base-thread, 49000 nsec
[19:42:27] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643505] HAL: thread created
[19:42:28] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643510] HAL: creating thread servo-thread, 980000 nsec
[19:42:30] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643518] HAL: thread created
[19:42:31] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643522] HAL: creating thread traj-thread, 9800000 nsec
[19:42:33] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643529] HAL: thread created
[19:42:34] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643619] MOTION: setting Traj cycle time to 9800000 nsecs
[19:42:36] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643625] MOTION: setting Servo cycle time to 979999 nsecs
[19:42:37] <Sparky_> Feb 5 14:41:42 shop kernel: [656930.643642] MOTION: init_threads() complete
[19:42:49] <SWPadnos> ok.
[19:43:02] <SWPadnos> you don't need to maintain those multiples (just soyou know)
[19:43:05] <SWPadnos> so you
[19:43:09] <Sparky_> The rest is ok from the log?
[19:43:23] <SWPadnos> sure - mulling it over ...
[19:43:27] <Sparky_> I didn't maintain them this time.
[19:43:55] <SWPadnos> err - wait, didn't maintain what? (dmesg? that's OK)
[19:44:53] <Sparky_> Watching it with the halscope, the f-erros are very minimal until you hit the max speed of something and then its off scal and out of sight.
[19:45:20] <alex_joni> Sparky_: I think this is a bad blending procedure in the TP
[19:45:38] <alex_joni> but I don't think anyone can look at it right now
[19:45:40] <SWPadnos> makes sense. do the traces diverge nicely, like two not-quite-parallel lines, or is it a glitch that does it?
[19:46:05] <alex_joni> it's collinear lines
[19:46:14] <alex_joni> but sometimes different directions
[19:46:30] <SWPadnos> the lines I'm talking about are in HALScope
[19:47:20] <Sparky_> Right, and Alex is correct, both error and f_error go out of sight
[19:47:39] <Sparky_> But not always in the same direction!
[19:48:05] <SWPadnos> does it stop at the same place every time?
[19:48:22] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: you mean the program
[19:48:29] <SWPadnos> yes - sorry
[19:48:39] <Sparky_> The TP looked like the culprit to me, but my head spins & I want to fall over when looking at that code.
[19:48:51] <SWPadnos> if the following error occurs at mostly the same place every run through, then a misblend seems more likely
[19:48:59] <Sparky_> To many external refs for my mind :)
[19:49:09] <SWPadnos> too many internal refs as well
[19:49:18] <Sparky_> Chuckle...
[19:50:59] <Sparky_> This particular problem seems as if its been inherited from emc as supplied on bdi-4.30, the errors seem to always fall in the area where the blend to the next move might start if it was started way early.
[19:51:25] <cradek> Sparky_: are MAX_ACCEL on all your axes the same?
[19:52:08] <Sparky_> ATM Yes Chris, and Putting in a G4P=.001 stops them dead
[19:52:28] <SWPadnos> what's G4?
[19:52:34] <cradek> puase
[19:52:35] <cradek> pause
[19:52:48] <Sparky_> Chris but not all screws are the same, z axis is 10 tpi, the others 20 tpi, scales adjusted accordingly
[19:52:49] <alex_joni> dwell
[19:52:51] <SWPadnos> ah - I think it's used for ellipses in some dialects
[19:52:59] <cradek> Sparky_: ok, that shouldn't matter
[19:53:14] <SWPadnos> I was just going to mention that - the scale is 1/2 the number of steps
[19:53:25] <SWPadnos> since the following errors happen with the software step generator, it may matter
[19:53:40] <SWPadnos> (regardless of whether there are motors or not)
[19:53:42] <Sparky_> All 3 amps are set for 1/4 step if thats any consolation
[19:54:06] <Sparky_> yes, motor power is off ATM since I can't see the machine from here...
[19:55:37] <SWPadnos> well, with the machine off, try changing the INPUT_SCALE to 16000, and see if it gets through a run
[19:55:44] <SWPadnos> on axis 2
[19:55:54] <Sparky_> Ok, brb
[19:56:37] <rayh-away> rayh-away is now known as rayh
[19:56:59] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/ (8 files): initial commit of univpwm config, so I can work online with Jon to get it going - do not use yet
[19:59:58] <Sparky_> Its running
[20:00:14] <SWPadnos> ok.
[20:00:47] <SWPadnos> I'm interested in seeing if there is any problem related to the number of steps that can be generated, or the accel rate
[20:01:14] <Sparky_> too bad I can't copy paste the halscope screen here :)
[20:01:37] <SWPadnos> if it works, try to find the steps/inch that it fails (and make sure that the other axes also fail at similar settings)
[20:01:39] <alex_joni> lol: http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
[20:01:43] <SWPadnos> yeah - GraphIRC ;)
[20:03:07] <alex_joni> ROFL 9 MIPS
[20:03:17] <Sparky_> Yup, sanme error, same place line N9270
[20:03:40] <Sparky_> Well, there is always dcc, but the file preps a pita
[20:05:11] <Sparky_> And to SWP, its pretty predictable on any axis., I its just that the z and y are the major exersisers here
[20:05:21] <Sparky_> can't spell either...
[20:06:20] <Sparky_> I'm rerunning at 90% feed, errored already
[20:07:02] <Sparky_> On the same line again
[20:07:09] <cradek> Sparky_: if it's an axis reversal can't you trigger it with g1z1f999 / g1z0
[20:07:10] <SWPadnos> hmmm - OK. I'll have to go for TP problem, though I have no issues running 3d_chips at 180 IPM using the USC
[20:07:11] <Sparky_> trying 80%
[20:07:29] <Sparky_> USC?
[20:07:37] <SWPadnos> Universal Stepper Controller
[20:07:42] <SWPadnos> outboard step generator
[20:07:52] <SWPadnos> and that's at 40k steps/inch
[20:08:00] <Sparky_> I see. Mucho $
[20:08:06] <SWPadnos> $250
[20:08:39] <robin_sz> meep
[20:08:46] <SWPadnos> mop
[20:08:50] <Sparky_> yep, and I'd druther put that into the bigger table setup that Chris is selling at Littlemachineshop.com
[20:09:30] <SWPadnos> but only if you can drive it ;)
[20:10:03] <Sparky_> The Y size on this one is a major limit, I had to carve some switchplate decorators in two mounts on the table a couple of weeks ago
[20:10:34] <Sparky_> I think I can with these motors of Jeffs 262oz/in
[20:10:52] <SWPadnos> that's gotta be embarrassing if you have to change setups for a switchplate (unless it's a 4-gang) :)
[20:11:04] <Sparky_> It was ;_0
[20:11:11] <SWPadnos> (not that I should talk, I've still got a manual machine)
[20:11:53] <robin_sz> wonder what I should do with these servos i bought?
[20:11:55] <Sparky_> The electrikery guy left all the boxes hanging proud of the drywall in an addition my nephew put on his new house at the dairy farm in NY.
[20:12:20] <SWPadnos> sell them to me, cheap (but only if I like them :) )
[20:12:41] <Sparky_> So I've been making decorator plates out of clean white pine, with a good multiple coat of Man-O-War Spar varnish.
[20:12:53] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7585692507
[20:13:36] <Sparky_> Which ones are they Robin?
[20:14:17] <fenn> that's got a tiny little output shaft
[20:15:19] <Sparky_> looks like they may be a bit small for my micromill
[20:15:22] <fenn> nice score.. like the surpluscenter servos pretty much
[20:15:55] <SWPadnos> 3 phase DC? that sounds a little off
[20:15:58] <SWPadnos> odd
[20:16:03] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm.ini: changed univpwm ini file to invoke univpwm.foo instead of univstep.foo
[20:16:04] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: allow automatic restarting of emc, to work from GUI's
[20:16:34] <fenn> three phase brushless DC
[20:16:46] <SWPadnos> or AC
[20:17:13] <fenn> probably just didnt know what to call them
[20:17:45] <SWPadnos> ah - "I'm not sure if these are AC or DC", not "use either AC or DC"
[20:18:09] <SWPadnos> that's a good deall for just the connectors, actually
[20:18:30] <Sparky_> Re my axis errors, it looks as if its going to run all the way at feed=80%
[20:19:22] <Sparky_> Who would be the one to look at TP.c?
[20:20:10] <fenn> these motors look pretty sexy http://www.mavilor.es/products.asp?cuerpo=p01
[20:20:17] <Sparky_> Because this is well below the maximum speeds it can do reliably. <50% I'd say.
[20:20:34] <robin_sz> SWPadnos: yeah, actually, thats why we got them .. we need some more connectors for our Baldor motors and they are �22 each .. thats 4 of themm, still a abrgain, motors are free
[20:20:39] <SWPadnos> err - there's nobody who'll admit to being the TP person
[20:20:41] <robin_sz> connector is the same
[20:21:36] <fenn> feel free to send me the motors then :P
[20:22:23] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: obviously chris knows more bash foo than me
[20:22:30] <SWPadnos> I've actually spent more on connectors thatn I did on motors
[20:22:38] <robin_sz> coo
[20:23:10] <robin_sz> we got a 3kw servo motor and drive "on demo" from a friendly rep ... going to use it as the spindle motor on our mill :)
[20:23:17] <SWPadnos> 3 Baldor 28 in-lb servos for $300-ish, then 3 connectors + backshells per motor for the cabinet and cable
[20:23:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:23:32] <robin_sz> ahh, you went for Baldor too
[20:23:39] <robin_sz> how do you like them?
[20:23:42] <SWPadnos> yep, MTE-4070BLBCE
[20:23:48] <SWPadnos> they're great
[20:23:51] <SWPadnos> for weightlifting
[20:23:54] <robin_sz> hah
[20:24:01] <robin_sz> what drives you use?
[20:24:04] <SWPadnos> once I make the motor mounts, I'll let you know how they are on the machine
[20:24:09] <SWPadnos> Geckos
[20:24:29] <SWPadnos> a little under voltage (and current), but still more than the Bridgeport can stand
[20:24:36] <robin_sz> right .. these are DC servos thenm .. we only used AC servos from Baldor .. withtheir 415V drives
[20:24:43] <SWPadnos> ah
[20:24:56] <robin_sz> but, yeah, sound like a good plan
[20:25:12] <SWPadnos> I've seen a bunch of AC servos on eBay, but the incompatibility between drives (and the expense of good drives) put me off o fthem
[20:25:25] <robin_sz> using EMC or a Baldor NextMove ESB?
[20:25:38] <SWPadnos> EMC2, USC, Geckos
[20:25:47] <robin_sz> ah, right OK.
[20:25:56] <SWPadnos> at 40k steps/inch, I can't use software step generation
[20:26:01] <robin_sz> hell no
[20:26:22] <robin_sz> how many pulses per rev?
[20:26:22] <SWPadnos> and I should still be able to get perilously close to 180 IPM on the machine, which would be scary as hell, I think
[20:26:24] <robin_sz> 1024?
[20:26:33] <SWPadnos> 1000l encoders, 2:1 drive, 5TPI screw
[20:26:39] <Sparky_> Oh oh, that means I have to go and see if I can get my grey head into that sheesh... :(
[20:26:39] <SWPadnos> (1000 line)
[20:26:47] <robin_sz> right
[20:27:07] <robin_sz> so you'll need up to 4 mhz out of the step gen right?
[20:27:16] <alex_joni> Sparky_: I don't think you should bother :)
[20:27:44] <robin_sz> no wait
[20:27:50] <robin_sz> 4mhz/60
[20:28:04] <SWPadnos> no - 3 IPS = 180 IPM, so 120 KHz
[20:28:20] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:28:29] <SWPadnos> minutes / seconds - always get you
[20:29:08] <robin_sz> shold be fast anyway
[20:29:31] <robin_sz> this a BOSS5 stylee BP then?
[20:29:35] <SWPadnos> 180IPM would probably kill the machine - it's a manual series 1
[20:29:35] <robin_sz> was steppers?
[20:29:43] <robin_sz> oh right
[20:29:48] <SWPadnos> I put the ballscrews in
[20:29:49] <robin_sz> ours is an old interact 1
[20:29:56] <SWPadnos> it used to have a power feed though ;)
[20:29:57] <robin_sz> boss 5 control (or was)
[20:30:48] <Sparky_> Now I have halscope problem on the restart after resetting the axis 2 scale back to -8000, as follows:
[20:30:52] <SWPadnos> one day, I'll sell the power feed and leadscrews
[20:31:08] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2# bin/halscope &
[20:31:12] <Sparky_> [2] 17057
[20:31:12] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2# HAL: ERROR: duplicate component name 'halscope'
[20:31:12] <Sparky_> ULAPI: WARNING: module 'HAL_halscope' failed to delete shmem 01
[20:31:14] <Sparky_> SCOPE: ERROR: hal_init() failed
[20:31:15] <Sparky_> Whats next
[20:31:20] <Sparky_> Whats next?
[20:31:23] <robin_sz> gonna be ballscrew for the servos?
[20:31:36] <SWPadnos> Sparky_, halscope is already running
[20:31:55] <SWPadnos> yes, I've already done that
[20:32:03] <robin_sz> right
[20:32:07] <Sparky_> Not on my screen it ain't
[20:32:11] <robin_sz> OK, off to work .. see you girls later
[20:32:15] <SWPadnos> nice grounds screws, <0.0003 error total
[20:32:18] <SWPadnos> har har
[20:32:19] <robin_sz> ooh.
[20:32:26] <Sparky_> Nice indeed!
[20:32:28] <alex_joni> Sparky_: killall halscope
[20:32:38] <SWPadnos> even got a deviation report with them
[20:32:47] <robin_sz> I got one of those ...
[20:32:51] <robin_sz> it says :
[20:32:59] <robin_sz> "avoif this man, he is a deviant"
[20:33:03] <robin_sz> avoid
[20:33:07] <Sparky_> ps -ea|grep halscope
[20:33:09] <Sparky_> [2]+ Exit 255 bin/halscope
[20:33:10] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2# killall halscope
[20:33:11] <Sparky_> halscope: no process killed
[20:33:13] <SWPadnos> no - that's a "deviant report"
[20:33:13] <Sparky_> shop:/home/gene/emc2#
[20:33:22] <alex_joni> Sparky_: restart emc
[20:33:24] <robin_sz> ahh. my bad.
[20:33:25] <SWPadnos> run halscope again
[20:33:42] <Sparky_> I have, what you saw was the thrid attempt...
[20:33:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[20:33:57] <robin_sz> thrid?
[20:33:59] <SWPadnos> ps ax | grep -i scope
[20:34:07] <SWPadnos> it's a star trek thing
[20:34:10] <robin_sz> is that between tooth and forted?
[20:34:24] <SWPadnos> "throg" and "tribble"
[20:34:41] <robin_sz> ah yes ..the rouble with tribbles.
[20:34:44] <SWPadnos> anyway - go to work
[20:34:52] <SWPadnos> rouble?
[20:34:56] <robin_sz> I read recently of a vicar that was victim to those ...
[20:34:58] <SWPadnos> are they almost Russian?
[20:35:10] <robin_sz> well, not tribbles.
[20:35:15] <SWPadnos> rubles?
[20:35:22] <robin_sz> but fell into a tribble harvester whilst out jogging
[20:36:19] <Sparky_> chuckle, restarted everything, now ok
[20:36:35] <Sparky_> What became of the vicar?
[20:36:53] <SWPadnos> He got turned into a newt
[20:36:57] <SWPadnos> (it got better)
[20:37:52] <Sparky_> reminds me of a butter joke I probably can't tell without checking the company out
[20:38:03] <SWPadnos> bad company
[20:39:32] <Sparky_> and its a bit long for irc
[20:40:20] <Sparky_> Anybody here running Skype?
[20:41:24] <Sparky_> yeah thrid, can't type either :)
[20:43:03] <robin_sz> * robin_sz has video skype :)
[20:43:05] <staggerlytom> hello all
[20:43:26] <robin_sz> right .. outta here.
[20:43:56] <Sparky_> video skype, I must have slept thru the revolution :(
[20:44:08] <Sparky_> Hi Tom
[20:44:34] <staggerlytom> Hello Sparky
[20:45:11] <Sparky_> Odd nick, got it when I was still cheif at wdtv, cause around me, sparks occasionally flew
[20:45:28] <Sparky_> can't spell Chief either.
[20:45:41] <staggerlytom> and I work in EDM, using sparks to cut steel
[20:45:55] <Sparky_> I see, neat stuff that.
[20:46:26] <Sparky_> But I think the right sized carbide bit is faster if the steels not too hard.
[20:47:10] <staggerlytom> anything is faster, but EDM can make a square corner and blind square holes
[20:47:13] <Sparky_> How about surface finish using edm?
[20:47:47] <staggerlytom> Near 1um avg is best, past mirroring opticaly
[20:48:31] <staggerlytom> some tests show 0.2 in weighted measure
[20:48:42] <Sparky_> I had no idea one could get that sort of finish with edm, what dielectric medium for that?
[20:48:48] <staggerlytom> oil
[20:48:59] <staggerlytom> (paraffinic)
[20:49:39] <staggerlytom> actually Japanese have done as well in air, all univ stuff tho
[20:49:39] <Sparky_> Ahh, but that might be used to do the workpiece for an astoroniomical mirror?
[20:50:56] <Sparky_> Actually, the metal would be the tar holder, with the abrasive embedeed in the tar for mirror working I guess.
[20:51:01] <staggerlytom> not likely, there's a slowing down as the area increases, and a problem in the process controll loop, so shiny cm is practical, meter not
[20:51:24] <ottos> forgot to ask someone interested in some ps, stepper motors and controllers?
[20:51:39] <Sparky_> or say a 10" mold would be a long tine then?
[20:51:44] <ottos> #emc
[20:52:20] <Sparky_> what does, ah he left, was gonna sk what he had for sale or ???
[20:52:46] <staggerlytom> yep, 10" ,means many hours for the transition from 27 VDI to <1 (surface )
[20:52:53] <staggerlytom> maybe days
[20:53:33] <Sparky_> Does anyone but me have fresh snow? Days, ouch. accuracy measured in wear on the machinery too I assume?
[20:53:43] <staggerlytom> the size of the chip being removed is <1um, and unlike tar and grit, only 1 at a time
[20:54:28] <Sparky_> Ahh, I see. THats a limit for good finish, or can the roughing be done at higher rates?
[20:55:21] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-away
[20:58:09] <staggerlytom> rough is much faster ( not as fast as mill/lathe ) and power is stepped down from rough passes till finish
[21:04:13] <staggerlytom> bye /part
[21:15:56] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/ (control emc2.files rules): tkemc help installation, bwidget dependency for rayh
[21:34:00] <billy_kid> sera
[21:34:16] <fenn> ole!
[21:35:01] <billy_kid> italia?
[21:35:11] <fenn> perdon, idioma incorrecta
[21:36:16] <fenn> * fenn wonders what just happened
[21:37:16] <SWPadnos> I think you pissed him off
[21:37:20] <SWPadnos> bad fenn
[21:37:43] <fenn> i forgot "buona sera" was italian and interpreted it in spanish
[21:37:56] <SWPadnos> si
[21:43:50] <alex_joni> how nice is this? http://my.opera.com/SerbianFighter/albums/showpic.dml?album=32317&picture=349344
[21:44:22] <alex_joni> it might make not much sense, but I assure you it will after you see the second one: http://my.opera.com/SerbianFighter/albums/showpic.dml?album=32317&picture=349345
[21:49:18] <fenn> now if they just had e-ink wallpaper and a motion tracking system..
[21:49:18] <staggerlytom> was the mapping automatic? ( the one thru the glass is most interesting )
[21:51:20] <SWPadnos> ah - image based modeling
[21:57:01] <skunkworks> that is cool
[22:09:03] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/ (univpwm.ini univpwm_motion.hal): univpwm config files now reflect pwm and not stepper pins and parameters
[22:14:02] <jmkasunich> anybody know what time the super bowl starts?
[22:14:33] <SWPadnos> 6:18 or so
[22:14:36] <SWPadnos> EST
[22:14:41] <SWPadnos> maybe 6:24
[22:14:42] <jmkasunich> thanks
[22:14:47] <SWPadnos> sure
[22:14:52] <jmkasunich> 6 ish then for the pregame
[22:14:57] <SWPadnos> yep
[22:15:05] <jmkasunich> I promised my wife I'd watch it with her
[22:15:15] <jmkasunich> on that note, I'm outta here
[22:15:18] <SWPadnos> I knly know because I want to see a band that's playing after the game ;)
[22:15:21] <SWPadnos> see you