#emc | Logs for 2006-01-28

[00:36:54] <fenn> why is a skype phone in the topic?
[00:37:48] <SWPadnos> good question
[00:43:40] <fenn> anyone else having problems with the wiki? its not saving my preferences (so i cant edit) with konqueror, but fireforx works..
[00:44:30] <SWPadnos> does konq not work even during the same run (ie, if you haven't restarted it)?
[00:44:42] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
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[00:44:58] <SWPadnos> heh - if only I could set myself as an op :)
[00:45:17] <Jacky^> .op SWPadnos
[00:45:19] <Jacky^> :D
[00:45:27] <SWPadnos> heh
[00:45:31] <Jacky^> .do not work :(
[00:45:43] <SWPadnos> requires operator status ;)
[00:45:45] <Jacky^> we could try a dos attack
[00:45:50] <Jacky^> :p
[00:46:42] <Jacky^> aniway its a nice thing, but probably ot
[00:47:06] <fenn> * fenn hates phones
[00:47:11] <fenn> * fenn hisses
[00:47:16] <SWPadnos> hmmm - one sec
[00:47:29] <Jacky^> fenn: I bought the skydapter in december
[00:47:38] <Jacky^> have to try it yet :(
[00:47:40] <SWPadnos> oops. I screwed that one up
[00:48:11] <Jacky^> but.. in italy we have the highest prices of the world*
[00:48:16] <Jacky^> for phone
[00:48:27] <Jacky^> the record
[00:48:30] <Jacky^> guiness
[00:48:33] <Jacky^> :)
[00:49:26] <Jacky^> I hate monopolies
[00:52:55] <SWPadnos> so much for investigative reporting
[00:54:33] <Jacky^> hi Geraldo
[00:57:04] <fenn> ok somehow cookies got turned off in konqueror.. weird
[00:57:09] <Jacky^> may he have some keyboard issue
[01:06:12] <Jacky^> id like to try links2
[01:06:34] <Jacky^> in graphical mode
[01:11:38] <Jacky^> but.. (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! --> Not supported! svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.
[01:12:23] <Jacky^> I have to check latest ati driver in xorg
[01:12:30] <Jacky^> tomorrow ..
[01:12:34] <Jacky^> G night
[01:15:11] <k4ts> night
[01:15:52] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[07:12:01] <Jymmm> Hi LawrenceG
[08:53:04] <alex_joni> morning
[08:57:37] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum -
[08:57:38] <alex_joni> Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home:
[08:57:38] <alex_joni> www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday
[08:57:38] <alex_joni> 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map:
[08:57:46] <alex_joni> http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[08:57:53] <alex_joni> darn irssi
[08:58:39] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: "Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home:www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller"
[12:15:14] <wb9mjn> Hi Lymmm ...
[12:37:22] <Jymmm> mornin
[12:56:58] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[13:22:35] <Jacky^> alex_joni: 09:57 <@alex_joni> darn irssi
[13:22:41] <Jacky^> what happen ?
[13:23:27] <Jacky^> :)
[15:04:54] <alex_joni> Jacky^: tried to change the topic
[15:04:57] <alex_joni> and it backfired :D
[16:05:56] <jepler> alex_joni: don't you have nightly emc2 snapshots somewhere?
[16:06:18] <cradek> hi jepler
[16:06:22] <jepler> hi chris
[16:06:23] <cradek> do you understand udev?
[16:06:27] <jepler> cradek: no
[16:07:22] <cradek> *sigh*
[16:07:47] <jepler> I thought you had the rtai vs udev problems solved
[16:08:08] <cradek> well I have a hack that works but requires sudo because I can't figure out how to get the permissions I want on /dev/rtai_shm.
[16:09:53] <jepler> the hack is the lines appended to /etc/udev/links.conf
[16:09:54] <jepler> ?
[16:09:57] <cradek> yes
[16:10:16] <cradek> but those are created with --mode=600 and you can't specify otherwise
[16:10:43] <cradek> I can't even figure out if udev creates /dev entries when modules are inserted, or if it does something else.
[16:11:15] <cradek> KERNEL="ts*", NAME="input/%k"
[16:11:19] <cradek> Match a device identified by a KERNEL name starting with the letters "ts" optionally followed by anything at all, and name it with the KERNEL name (%k) under the input directory.
[16:11:20] <jepler> udev gets invoked when devices are created by the kernel
[16:11:33] <cradek> what is a KERNEL name?
[16:11:46] <jepler> it could be because a device is attached (usb, pcmcia) or a module is inserted
[16:11:56] <jepler> + cldev = class_device_create(xnpipe_class, MKDEV(XNPIPE_DEV_MAJOR, i),
[16:11:57] <jepler> + NULL, "rtp%d", i);
[16:12:17] <cradek> so when we insert a dozen modules by hand, it doesn't trigger any of these events?
[16:12:21] <jepler> does your rtai have lines like the ones added in this patch? https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2005-September/012983.html
[16:13:40] <cradek> can't seem to load that page...
[16:13:43] <cradek> still trying
[16:15:04] <cradek> this version has devfs_mk_cdev(... "rtf/%u" ...)
[16:15:12] <jepler> devfs is old and busted
[16:15:16] <jepler> just like gnome-terminal
[16:15:26] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/012983.html
[16:17:29] <cradek> this version (the very latest) doesn't have any call to class_device_create, nor does it have a file called pipe.c
[16:18:22] <jepler> HAL:48: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out' not found
[16:18:30] <jepler> hm, I tried to run the emc from your deb and got this when I selected sim
[16:18:38] <cradek> do it again
[16:18:44] <cradek> I think that's the thing that happens sometimes
[16:18:48] <jepler> oh
[16:19:04] <cradek> I suppose there should be a bug report
[16:21:58] <cradek> morning ray
[16:22:07] <cradek> jepler: does it work the second time?
[16:23:55] <jepler> cradek: it worked the third time
[16:23:57] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/module/adeos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/adeos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1600\0", 1536, 0) = 80
[16:24:00] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_hal\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_hal\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1601\0", 1536, 0) = 86
[16:24:03] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_up\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_up\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1602\0", 1536, 0) = 84
[16:24:06] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/module/rtai_fifos\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/rtai_fifos\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1603\0", 1536, 0) = 90
[16:24:10] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/module/latency_rt\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/module/latency_rt\0SUBSYSTEM=module\0SEQNUM=1604\0", 1536, 0) = 90
[16:24:13] <jepler> udev does see some events when I start the kern/latency rtai test
[16:25:07] <cradek> cool, maybe those devfs calls do something
[16:26:06] <jepler> recv(5, "add@/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0ACTION=add\0DEVPATH=/class/misc/RTAI_SHM\0SUBSYSTEM=misc\0SEQNUM=1641\0MAJOR=10\0MINOR=254\0", 1536, 0) = 111
[16:37:55] <cradek> oh, duh
[16:38:01] <cradek> udev creates /dev/RTAI_SHM
[16:39:14] <rayh> Hi guys
[16:39:18] <cradek> hi
[16:39:25] <SWPadnos> hiya
[16:40:27] <jepler> so maybe you want KERNEL="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK="rtai_shm" to match the name expected by emc?
[16:41:05] <jepler> and another line with MODE= and/or GROUP=
[16:41:38] <cradek> aha!
[16:42:13] <cradek> I can put that in a file /etc/udev/rules.d/emc2.rules
[16:42:29] <cradek> KERNEL=="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK=="rtai_shm" MODE="0666"
[16:42:57] <cradek> I'll put it in the deb
[16:49:11] <jepler> is MODE not a problem for /dev/rtf/?
[16:49:22] <cradek> I don't think we use those
[16:49:32] <jepler> oh
[16:49:39] <cradek> the latency test does, but requiring sudo on it is no problem
[16:51:55] <cradek> rebuilding debs...
[17:06:44] <cradek> jepler: debs are in place - please remove that stuff from /etc/udev/links.conf before you update
[17:11:42] <jepler> cradek: OK, but I rebooted into fedora for the moment
[17:12:16] <cradek> jepler: hmm, the deb is broken anyway (because of emc2-wizard.gif)
[17:19:15] <robin_sz> meep?
[17:19:40] <cradek> hi robin
[17:19:56] <robin_sz> gday
[17:24:19] <skunkworks> hi
[17:25:25] <skunkworks> someone needs to add a space after http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller again
[17:32:35] <wb9mjn> Hi Skunk...I will probably be through town there on the week of the 7 th...
[17:36:03] <wb9mjn> Have motors coming for for the Z drive...Think I will go with the big one, even though its going to mean more mounting work...whole new plate...
[17:36:50] <wb9mjn> But, it allows a 3:1 drive, which is more practical...made the 30 tooth puley this morning...had to ream out to .5 inches, and turn down a length
[17:37:26] <wb9mjn> for a shaft clamp...rather than set screw, as there was not enough meat left for the screw...pulley is .744 OD ...
[17:38:04] <wb9mjn> The clamp can fit down inside the plate and stick up just enough for the belt guide height...
[17:40:12] <wb9mjn> should be able to drop the stall current down by almost an amp from the original design....
[17:41:10] <wb9mjn> Along with the bigger motor, should not burn up even without a counter weight/spring...
[17:52:39] <skunkworks> dealership is still woking with you?
[18:24:09] <CIA-17> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: Streamline look and add tree stuff under view menu.
[18:33:34] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:35:37] <alex_joni> meep
[18:35:44] <CIA-17> 03cradek * 10emc2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): minor tweaks for deb packaging/make install
[18:37:15] <CIA-17> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in:
[18:37:15] <CIA-17> will this work around the problem where emc sometimes gives a hal error
[18:37:15] <CIA-17> and fails to load?
[18:52:10] <alex_joni> wonder if that's a wait command in there ;)
[18:58:47] <alex_joni> hello.. anyone around?
[19:01:19] <skunkworks> echo - echo - echo
[19:02:41] <alex_joni> hi sam
[19:02:54] <alex_joni> care to see my new control thingie?
[19:03:05] <alex_joni> it's for an XY sherline slide ;)
[19:03:09] <skunkworks> sure
[19:03:14] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control1.jpg
[19:03:23] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control2.jpg
[19:04:43] <skunkworks> nice - stepper or servos gecko drives?
[19:05:31] <alex_joni> stepper
[19:05:33] <alex_joni> G201
[19:06:32] <skunkworks> Is this something you have? sherline mill? Or making it for someone? very clean
[19:08:33] <alex_joni> it's something I hacked together quickly
[19:08:41] <alex_joni> I have a XY slide from sherline
[19:08:56] <alex_joni> no mill or anything, still deciding if I should do a plotter or not ;)
[19:10:02] <skunkworks> what kind of movement?
[19:10:27] <alex_joni> how do you mean that?
[19:11:02] <skunkworks> how much movement x/y - 6X4 or so?
[19:11:59] <skunkworks> did I ever show you this? http://www.electronicsam.com/video/MVC-341W.MPG
[19:12:31] <alex_joni> well.. 200x100 mm or so
[19:14:24] <skunkworks> 7.8X3.937 inches ;) That would be neet to play with on a small drill press
[19:15:32] <alex_joni> nice video ;)
[19:15:33] <alex_joni> kinda short
[19:15:42] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/video/
[19:16:07] <skunkworks> there are a bunch - all pretty much the same ;) thanks
[19:16:16] <alex_joni> seen my movies?
[19:16:26] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/
[19:16:34] <skunkworks> seen a few - love to see more
[19:18:36] <alex_joni> unlinkely to produce more than those..
[19:20:40] <skunkworks> That thing is quite interesting
[19:21:49] <skunkworks> did you have it so it would tighten up the cables at startup?
[19:25:17] <alex_joni> no, they would stay pretty tight even when switched off
[19:29:05] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[19:34:55] <Jacky^> alex_joni:
[19:35:39] <Jacky^> the end of doc on the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Emc_Puppy says:
[19:35:46] <Jacky^> Published under a Creative Commons License
[19:35:57] <Jacky^> wich Creative Commons license ?
[19:39:15] <Jacky^> oh.. maybe youre not the owner of the wiki
[19:39:41] <Jacky^> but it seems wrong to me do not specify which CC it use :/
[19:39:59] <Jacky^> there are 6 CC license
[19:40:43] <Jacky^> its not clean
[19:44:41] <Jacky^> and so on for many others doc in emc :(
[19:46:33] <Jacky^> I seen someone in Roboitalia community do not using any license for his docs, just sayd me, ask to me for permission to modify it .. O_O
[19:46:42] <Jacky^> is the peoples so confused ?
[19:46:47] <Jacky^> are
[19:47:54] <Jacky^> can a doc without any license assumed as 'public domain' ?
[19:57:33] <alex_joni> any written text is copyrightet by the writer
[19:57:48] <Jacky^> mmm
[19:57:51] <alex_joni> if he wants to release it as open it's his choice
[19:58:10] <Jacky^> in that case how is ?
[19:59:00] <Jacky^> Creative commons have 6 licenses, where some is nice
[20:00:54] <Jacky^> I can also can agree with someone who want to use absolute (c)
[20:01:13] <Jacky^> but isnt clean .. there
[20:03:13] <CIA-17> 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/postinst: part of the udev support
[20:42:48] <cradek> jepler: did you get vim on ubuntu to work right? Mine won't fontify or remember my position in files
[20:50:35] <CIA-17> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: alex says this'll actually fix it
[21:05:33] <jepler> cradek: maybe there a vim-full package or something like that? that's the way it was on fedora. I think I haven't been getting syntax highlighting, dunno about position remembering.
[21:05:39] <jepler> make sure .viminfo is not owned by root...
[21:05:57] <cradek> doh, it is
[21:06:20] <cradek> that does fix positioning
[21:06:31] <cradek> thanks
[21:12:13] <CIA-17> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: hopefully a fix for bug #1205237, in free mode joints were analyzed which aren't actually there
[21:30:51] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ want a 3d scanner !!
[21:36:17] <Jacky^> now
[21:39:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni suggest moving a normal scanner up/down
[21:42:10] <Jacky^> damn it, theres no progress in homemade projects
[21:45:09] <Jacky^> alex_joni: I want it http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/mich.html
[21:53:56] <Jacky^> thi is interesting too : http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/forma-urbis/forma-urbis.html
[21:54:11] <Jacky^> there's a lot of work to do
[22:04:19] <CIA-17> 03cradek * 10emc2/debian/rules: this makes it easy to add little stuff like desktop icons to the deb.
[22:14:43] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm
[22:14:47] <Jymmm> hi
[22:15:07] <Jacky^> howdi ?
[22:15:51] <Jacky^> looking for a 3D scanner
[22:15:56] <Jacky^> a monster
[22:15:59] <Jacky^> any idea ?
[22:17:16] <Jacky^> ive 3-4k models to scan and machine
[22:22:36] <dmessier> hello alll jan 29 and +7-9 degrees in toronto area
[22:22:43] <Jacky^> nicee
[22:22:46] <Jacky^> hi dmessier
[22:22:57] <dmessier> whats this i heard about global warming
[22:22:58] <Jacky^> we got snow everywhere too
[22:23:11] <dmessier> we hav NO snow
[22:23:11] <Jacky^> why ?
[22:23:21] <Jacky^> uhm
[22:23:29] <Jacky^> its the wind ..
[22:23:32] <Jacky^> :)
[22:23:46] <Jacky^> dont worry about it
[22:23:50] <dmessier> the ground ist even frozen
[22:24:10] <Jacky^> are you member of greenpeace ?
[22:24:35] <dmessier> the water table in the region is about 1 M below normal
[22:24:49] <Jacky^> dmessier: no problem
[22:24:54] <dmessier> in a native canadian...
[22:25:04] <dmessier> im
[22:25:06] <Jacky^> ucraine cut gas in italy
[22:25:20] <Jacky^> were burning wood ..
[22:25:25] <Jacky^> dont worry
[22:25:27] <Jacky^> :)
[22:25:39] <dmessier> italy gets gas from the ukraine???
[22:25:44] <Jacky^> sure
[22:26:00] <Jacky^> italy hane no nuclear gas
[22:26:05] <Jacky^> have*
[22:26:10] <dmessier> i see.. or ci if you'd rather
[22:26:35] <dmessier> nuclear??? is different
[22:26:44] <Jacky^> nuclear centrale
[22:26:50] <Jacky^> how you call it ?
[22:26:51] <dmessier> oil you mean right
[22:26:56] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:27:27] <dmessier> not reactor type of nuclear??
[22:27:36] <Jacky^> nope
[22:27:57] <dmessier> we have TAR sands in canadas north
[22:28:16] <dmessier> sand soaked with oil in the cold
[22:28:18] <Jacky^> http://www.beppegrillo.it/eng/2006/01/clean_energy_dirty_information.html#comments
[22:28:30] <Jacky^> italy did a referendum years ago
[22:28:36] <Jacky^> no nuclears won
[22:29:28] <dmessier> canada's CANDU reactors are amongst the safest on the planet
[22:30:07] <dmessier> but there was rumour they would not build any new ones
[22:30:14] <Jacky^> we believe in alternative energy
[22:30:37] <dmessier> us too.. we have MANY wind farms going up
[22:30:43] <Jacky^> but our goverment dont want it ..
[22:31:04] <dmessier> why not?
[22:31:21] <Jacky^> its a business question
[22:31:35] <Jacky^> you know who is our first minister berlusconi ?
[22:32:04] <Jacky^> he like to do affairs with bush
[22:32:11] <Jacky^> thats why
[22:33:00] <Jacky^> http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/01_Gennaio/28/maltempo.shtml
[22:33:24] <dmessier> oh i see... we "recognize bush"... but thats about it
[22:36:14] <dmessier> he is trying to finish daddy's dream
[22:37:15] <Jacky^> dunno ..
[22:39:18] <Jacky^> i've another idea about the progress
[22:40:46] <dmessier> what progress???
[22:42:47] <Jacky^> progress
[22:42:57] <Jacky^> f we want to continue believing in progress, we need to progress the idea of progress.
[22:45:24] <Jacky^> progress=neat air no smog
[22:46:36] <Jacky^> if planet is suffering someone somewhere have some responsability
[22:47:54] <Jacky^> that why there are no seasons
[22:48:30] <Jacky^> and you are +7-9 degrees in toronto
[22:49:26] <Jacky^> celscius or Fahrenheit ? :P
[22:49:30] <Jacky^> celsius
[22:50:47] <dmessier> c
[22:51:02] <Jacky^> I've an aunt there
[22:51:14] <Jacky^> and many cousin :(
[22:51:39] <Jacky^> in Hamilton
[22:51:57] <Jacky^> nice place
[22:52:32] <Jacky^> latest time ive seen him was in 1979 :((
[22:52:59] <Jacky^> jack and michael
[22:53:05] <dmessier> hamilton is neat place
[22:53:07] <Jacky^> I prefer jack :O
[22:53:29] <Jacky^> my mother was been some year ago
[22:53:35] <Jacky^> ive seen some photos
[22:53:45] <Jacky^> very nice place
[22:54:19] <dmessier> used to be a dirty steel mill town
[22:54:38] <Jacky^> dunno
[22:54:58] <Jacky^> I just know its a cold place
[22:55:04] <Jacky^> very cold
[22:55:27] <dmessier> not today it isnt
[22:55:42] <Jacky^> sure, the snow is here :(
[22:56:07] <Jacky^> think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow
[22:56:38] <dmessier> really??
[22:56:42] <Jacky^> eu got the lowest temperature of latest 70 years ..
[22:56:49] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:57:21] <Jacky^> never seen a winter so cold
[22:57:29] <Jacky^> in my life
[22:57:43] <dmessier> hmm more confirmation for my global shift theory
[23:00:21] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ listen mozart :P
[23:02:19] <robin_sz> geneva is not near the sea
[23:02:30] <Jacky^> is on the sea !
[23:02:33] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[23:02:38] <robin_sz> it is not ...
[23:02:49] <robin_sz> trust me, I work there, I would have noticed
[23:02:57] <Jacky^> uhm
[23:03:13] <robin_sz> oh theres the lake ...
[23:03:17] <Jacky^> theres the biggest acquarium of italy there
[23:03:26] <Jacky^> where was Colombo ..
[23:03:29] <Jacky^> O_O
[23:03:42] <Jacky^> Cristoforo Colombo
[23:04:10] <Jacky^> http://images.google.it/images?svnum=10&hl=it&lr=&safe=off&q=genova&btnG=Cerca
[23:04:19] <robin_sz> we often have snow in geneve, noting new
[23:04:30] <robin_sz> infact, its a lot warmer now than it used to be ...
[23:04:35] <Jacky^> is there geneve in the UK ?
[23:04:39] <Jacky^> ouch
[23:04:44] <robin_sz> no, in switzerland
[23:04:46] <Jacky^> I wasnt know it
[23:04:58] <Jacky^> ok, our is 'Genova'
[23:05:17] <Jacky^> N-W italy
[23:05:30] <robin_sz> there is a geneva in italy as well as .ch?
[23:06:01] <Jacky^> robin_sz: I just tried to translate 'Genova? in Geneve
[23:06:22] <Jacky^> I should be correct
[23:06:23] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:06:30] <robin_sz> you confused me "think a place as geneva, near the sea, under the snow"
[23:06:41] <robin_sz> we know your place as Genoa I think
[23:06:54] <Jacky^> oh.. ok
[23:07:18] <Jacky^> also Milan is under the snow
[23:07:22] <robin_sz> still no snow in the UK though
[23:07:33] <Jacky^> thats not a 'normal' condition
[23:07:47] <Jacky^> too much cold
[23:07:58] <robin_sz> its pretty normal these days not to ahve any snow in winter in the UK
[23:08:08] <robin_sz> used to have lots 30 years ago
[23:08:18] <robin_sz> getting warmer :(
[23:08:28] <Jacky^> we too
[23:08:33] <robin_sz> http://www.meteo.fr/temps/france/nivose/niv74.html
[23:08:38] <robin_sz> cold, but little snow
[23:10:06] <Jacky^> strange weather
[23:10:35] <robin_sz> wow ...
[23:10:38] <robin_sz> http://www.chamonet.com/webcams/jpg/chamonix-panoramic-cam.jpg
[23:10:47] <robin_sz> plenty of snow in chmaonix
[23:10:52] <robin_sz> chamonix
[23:11:03] <Jacky^> nice
[23:11:54] <robin_sz> I have flown my parapente from that location of the webcam
[23:13:00] <Jacky^> cool
[23:13:15] <robin_sz> only in summer though
[23:13:26] <Jacky^> its a sport right ?
[23:13:31] <robin_sz> uh huh
[23:13:38] <Jacky^> :D
[23:13:56] <robin_sz> sort of like gliding with a parachute
[23:14:06] <Jacky^> I know
[23:14:27] <robin_sz> good fun when you get it right
[23:14:38] <Jacky^> a bit dangerous
[23:14:45] <robin_sz> not so much now
[23:15:04] <robin_sz> early gliders where dangerous
[23:15:08] <robin_sz> now the desing is better
[23:15:34] <Jacky^> can you take another people on your ?
[23:15:37] <robin_sz> no
[23:16:11] <Jacky^> yeah, its funny
[23:16:45] <Jacky^> get adrenaline pure
[23:17:01] <robin_sz> sort of ...
[23:17:09] <robin_sz> its actually very peaceful and relaxing
[23:17:21] <robin_sz> like gliding in a plane
[23:17:53] <Jacky^> what the max time in fly ?
[23:17:53] <robin_sz> sometime, like first ever takeoff on skis, now that is adrenaline!
[23:18:11] <Jacky^> 15-20 minuts ?
[23:18:23] <robin_sz> for what?
[23:18:40] <Jacky^> the time
[23:18:47] <robin_sz> top to bottom?
[23:18:51] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:18:56] <robin_sz> if go straight down, yeah
[23:19:06] <robin_sz> but you can stay up as long as you like in summer
[23:19:23] <k4ts> hello
[23:19:27] <robin_sz> meep
[23:19:27] <Jacky^> hi k4ts
[23:19:45] <Jacky^> k4ts: talking abou parapendio
[23:19:47] <Jacky^> :)
[23:20:23] <robin_sz> I have not flown mine for a while ... I must use it again
[23:20:24] <Jacky^> k4ts is fighting with his new camera ..
[23:20:34] <robin_sz> *his*?
[23:20:38] <Jacky^> ops
[23:20:57] <Jacky^> cant remember the right word
[23:21:00] <robin_sz> her
[23:21:05] <alex_joni> hey robin
[23:21:06] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[23:21:15] <robin_sz> alex_joni: dood!
[23:21:19] <Jacky^> she bought a nikon camera, D50
[23:21:21] <alex_joni> dood ;)
[23:21:27] <alex_joni> how've you been?
[23:21:29] <Jacky^> hey alex_joni :)
[23:21:31] <robin_sz> busy!
[23:21:40] <alex_joni> I can understand
[23:21:44] <alex_joni> wanna see the latest?
[23:21:47] <robin_sz> no ... REALLY busy
[23:21:53] <robin_sz> yeah .. show me
[23:21:57] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control1.jpg
[23:21:59] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/control2.jpg
[23:22:12] <robin_sz> worked until 2am every night this week
[23:22:29] <alex_joni> ouch
[23:22:51] <robin_sz> mmm geckos :)
[23:22:51] <Jacky^> 2 axis ?
[23:23:09] <robin_sz> plastic box?
[23:23:23] <Jacky^> I dont like a thing
[23:23:36] <Jacky^> it doesnt have a fan
[23:23:36] <alex_joni> well.. it's for some small sherline motors
[23:23:41] <robin_sz> ah ok
[23:23:43] <alex_joni> Jacky^: no fan required
[23:23:46] <alex_joni> 2A motors
[23:23:48] <Jacky^> no ?
[23:23:49] <robin_sz> for small motors no problem
[23:23:57] <robin_sz> are these the new G202s?
[23:23:57] <alex_joni> that's why the plastic box
[23:23:59] <alex_joni> 201
[23:24:02] <robin_sz> ah ok
[23:24:12] <robin_sz> the 202 will go to 7A with no heatsink
[23:24:21] <robin_sz> 201 needs a sink above about 3A
[23:24:25] <alex_joni> for bigger motors I'd chosen some heatsink
[23:24:31] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[23:24:35] <Jacky^> yeah .. but the box is small
[23:24:46] <robin_sz> plenty big enough
[23:24:58] <Jacky^> Id use 220 V fan
[23:25:05] <robin_sz> why?
[23:25:07] <robin_sz> fan?
[23:25:09] <Jacky^> no noise
[23:25:12] <robin_sz> no ever needed
[23:25:18] <alex_joni> fans only fail
[23:25:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[23:25:35] <alex_joni> the g201 are dead cold
[23:25:40] <robin_sz> right
[23:25:41] <Jacky^> do not become hot tha toroidal transformer ?
[23:25:45] <robin_sz> nah
[23:26:01] <Jacky^> oh, ok
[23:26:07] <robin_sz> alex_joni: how do you find the 201 performance?
[23:26:16] <alex_joni> pretty good
[23:26:21] <alex_joni> I never used steppers though..
[23:26:32] <robin_sz> impressive for a small block I think
[23:26:37] <alex_joni> but seeing those little motors running at 10 RPS..
[23:26:40] <robin_sz> yep
[23:26:48] <alex_joni> robin_sz: not after you've seen the G340 ;)
[23:26:53] <alex_joni> I have quite a few of those
[23:26:55] <robin_sz> well sure
[23:27:09] <robin_sz> wanna see my new factory?
[23:27:37] <Jacky^> alex_joni: where you bought the geckos ? in EU or US ?
[23:27:51] <robin_sz> npt in EU ...;)
[23:27:58] <alex_joni> US
[23:27:58] <Jacky^> :(
[23:28:10] <robin_sz> * robin_sz passes alex_joni some CE stickers
[23:30:17] <robin_sz> found a nice new factory to move to ...
[23:30:30] <robin_sz> another 100m2 of floor space
[23:30:32] <alex_joni> nice
[23:30:33] <k4ts> Jacky^:
[23:30:40] <Jacky^> k4ts: eh ?
[23:30:47] <k4ts> rai due?
[23:30:50] <k4ts> what?
[23:30:51] <robin_sz> takes it up to 250m2
[23:31:10] <robin_sz> small, but enough for now
[23:31:17] <Jacky^> k4ts: noting more.. finished
[23:33:13] <Jacky^> robin_sz: already seen my 'lab' page ?: http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/lab.html
[23:33:33] <Jacky^> ive some geckos waiting to run too !
[23:34:15] <Jacky^> in the next week I want to search for good motors and encoders
[23:34:37] <Jacky^> have to start building a new cnc
[23:35:16] <Jacky^> best servos seems to are from US
[23:35:31] <Jacky^> but I was thinking at what I can find in china
[23:35:34] <robin_sz> ooh
[23:35:47] <robin_sz> that scope? is it a Tektronix?
[23:35:57] <Jacky^> uhm, nope
[23:36:03] <robin_sz> shame.
[23:36:07] <Jacky^> probably similar
[23:36:17] <Jacky^> its and old 20 mhz
[23:36:39] <robin_sz> good scopes have "tektronix" written on them, good digital meter have "Fluke"
[23:37:06] <robin_sz> good analogue meters have "AVO"
[23:37:24] <robin_sz> still ... nice lab
[23:37:25] <robin_sz> :)
[23:37:30] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:38:03] <Jacky^> I'm tired to use steppers
[23:38:33] <robin_sz> why?
[23:38:35] <Jacky^> want to start servos for next cnc
[23:38:47] <Jacky^> too much time machining a piece
[23:38:51] <robin_sz> they work well for small machines
[23:38:56] <robin_sz> time will be the same
[23:39:25] <Jacky^> not exaclty
[23:39:36] <robin_sz> +-10% I guess
[23:39:45] <Jacky^> im running axis at 29 inch/min
[23:40:03] <robin_sz> very slow ...
[23:40:08] <robin_sz> for wood?
[23:40:15] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:40:27] <robin_sz> 80 to 120 is better ... try settting it highere
[23:40:44] <Jacky^> I want a fast machine, no compromise
[23:40:59] <Jacky^> already tried ..
[23:41:11] <Jacky^> what you seen its just an experiment
[23:41:28] <robin_sz> my stepper machien went to 600 ipm
[23:41:28] <Jacky^> just for fun and for learn something about emc
[23:41:44] <Jacky^> how much you payed your steppers ?
[23:41:51] <robin_sz> 120gbp
[23:42:03] <Jacky^> what in Euro ? :(
[23:42:10] <robin_sz> 180?
[23:42:29] <Jacky^> I payed 2o E. 3 steppers..
[23:42:33] <Jacky^> 20
[23:43:00] <Jacky^> total cost of my machine is around E. 100
[23:43:04] <robin_sz> but the performance is not as good huh?
[23:43:10] <Jacky^> depend on what you consider
[23:43:21] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/img010.jpeg
[23:43:28] <Jacky^> performance are there
[23:43:51] <Jacky^> but .. remember the time it take ..
[23:43:54] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:44:11] <robin_sz> Ok, time to go and configure a fax server ...
[23:44:15] <robin_sz> later guys
[23:44:19] <Jacky^> bye
[23:58:23] <skunkworks> jacky^?
[23:59:26] <Jacky^> eh ?
[23:59:53] <skunkworks> nice work on your engravings - what do you use for software?