#emc | Logs for 2006-01-14

[01:08:03] <Jacky^> bedtime
[01:08:04] <CIA-5> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: fixed signal node bug
[01:08:08] <Jacky^> night all
[02:30:15] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as ImInNoMoodForBS
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[02:41:18] <CIA-5> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halconfig.tcl: added a watch hal mode
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[05:34:28] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. We have two main rotation servers to restart this weekend, and this is probably a good moment to give it a try. Total affected users: about 4200. We should be good to go in just a few minutes. This is the last batch for a while. Thanks for your understanding, and thank you for using freenode! Have a great morning.
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[06:12:08] <lilo> [Global Notice] All done. Thank you for your patience, and have a great day!
[09:03:45] <robin> meep?
[09:04:00] <robin> bonjour mes amis
[09:04:33] <ValarQ> was?
[09:05:19] <robin> je suis en Geneve :)
[09:06:17] <robin> so ... anything interesting happen?
[09:06:32] <ValarQ> not that i am aware of :(
[09:06:39] <robin> dang.
[09:06:47] <robin> Les got his spindle installed yet?
[09:07:03] <ValarQ> les got a spindle?
[09:07:19] <robin> colombo 5 or 10 hp I tink
[09:07:41] <ValarQ> ok
[09:07:58] <robin> with no ATC, silly boy
[09:08:53] <robin> theres a nice on on eBay right now ...
[09:10:07] <robin> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Colombo-High-Speed-Router-Motor-CNC-Plastic-Metal-Wood_W0QQitemZ7579679215QQcategoryZ42938QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[10:19:14] <robin> hello Jacky^
[10:59:24] <PhantomX> good morning
[11:11:37] <Jacky^> hi guys
[11:11:46] <Jacky^> hi robin
[12:08:45] <robin> meep
[12:11:38] <fenn> here's some interesting reading: http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
[12:13:22] <alex_joni> meep
[12:20:06] <alex_joni> guess no meep today :)
[12:22:58] <fenn> i see two meepis
[12:30:02] <TorbaX> hello
[12:30:49] <TorbaX> I've installed on a old machine K6II-350MHz@256MB-Ram
[12:30:54] <TorbaX> BDI-4.38
[12:31:36] <TorbaX> I don't have any idea to set parallel IO pins
[12:32:50] <TorbaX> Where can I find the IO assignment ?
[12:41:01] <fenn> you will probably want to install emc2
[12:41:18] <fenn> afaik the only pins you can change in emc1 are limit switch inputs
[12:44:56] <fenn> the pinout for emc1 is here, about halfway down: http://linuxcnc.org/handbook/part2/rhemcini.html
[12:46:07] <fenn> the documentation is probably easier to read though
[12:46:58] <fenn> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc-docs-1.0.0.pdf.tgz?download
[13:09:51] <TorbaX> :-|
[13:10:47] <TorbaX> I printed an old HandBook version !!!!!
[13:10:56] <TorbaX> 30th August 2k2
[13:11:05] <fenn> it probably hasnt changed much
[13:12:19] <TorbaX> my pinout are hardwired to the DB25 connector
[13:12:47] <fenn> in emc2 there's an 'electronic breadboard" layer that lets you swap pins and debounce switches etc
[13:13:11] <TorbaX> does emc2 change pins?
[13:13:16] <TorbaX> good
[13:13:43] <TorbaX> is there a docs to install emc2 instead of emc1?
[13:13:47] <fenn> yep
[13:14:12] <fenn> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2
[13:18:34] <TorbaX> thanks, I try to make it
[13:33:24] <TorbaX> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc login
[13:33:30] <TorbaX> it doesnt work
[13:34:08] <fenn> * fenn mutters bad things about sourceforge
[13:34:58] <robin> seems to hang at the passwd
[13:35:05] <robin> silly system
[13:35:09] <TorbaX> exactly
[13:35:24] <robin> I think it is swedish chef
[13:35:34] <TorbaX> mm i test to download the nightly build tarball
[13:35:36] <fenn> it's borked.. download this instead: fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/emc2.tar.gz
[13:35:45] <robin> bork bork bork!
[13:35:50] <TorbaX> ok
[13:36:37] <fenn> officially there hasnt been a release yet, but that's a silly reason not to have proper beta test downloads
[13:36:50] <TorbaX> ok downloaded...
[13:38:50] <TorbaX> :-|
[13:38:58] <TorbaX> ./configure
[13:39:07] <TorbaX> checking fo RT dir....
[13:39:14] <TorbaX> RT not found
[13:39:19] <TorbaX> .......
[13:39:25] <TorbaX> !!!
[13:39:37] <TorbaX> where's the problem?
[13:39:56] <fenn> apt-get install realtime- ?
[13:39:57] <TorbaX> BDI kernel is RT patched
[13:40:00] <TorbaX> ops
[13:40:07] <TorbaX> :-\
[13:40:42] <fenn> i havent installed bdi 4.38.. dont know how its put together
[13:42:35] <fenn> god damn juno reactor is so cooool
[13:46:25] <TorbaX> apt-get install realtime-
[13:46:37] <TorbaX> apt didnt' find the package
[13:47:11] <TorbaX> it's incredible!!!
[13:48:27] <fenn> try adding http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/debian/ to the apt sources.list
[13:48:35] <fenn> i'm not too familliar with the syntax
[13:48:41] <TorbaX> ok
[13:51:03] <fenn> tell me what you did if you get it to work :)
[13:51:12] <fenn> or better yet add it to the wiki page
[13:59:55] <TorbaX> mm
[14:00:35] <TorbaX> fenn: the mirror exists in source.list
[14:00:54] <TorbaX> deb http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/emc/debian/ sarge updates extras
[14:04:06] <fenn> welp.. could you do a "locate rtai_ksched.ko" for me?
[14:07:25] <fenn> wah. alex_joni help meeee...
[14:08:31] <TorbaX> emclinux:~/emc2# locate rtai_ksched.ko
[14:08:44] <TorbaX> locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory
[14:08:49] <TorbaX> .-|
[14:08:51] <TorbaX> :-|
[14:09:05] <fenn> oops.. updatedb first
[14:09:15] <fenn> you might have to be root
[14:09:24] <TorbaX> yes i'm root.....
[14:09:31] <TorbaX> just a moment
[14:10:46] <TorbaX> updatedb done...
[14:11:00] <TorbaX> /lib/modules/
[14:12:23] <TorbaX> ./configure
[14:12:23] <TorbaX> checking for RT dir... configure: error: RT not found, try to specify one by --with-rtai=<path>, --with-rtlinux=<path>, --with-rtlinuxpro=<path>
[14:12:43] <TorbaX> which Path do I set
[14:12:44] <TorbaX> ?
[14:13:34] <fenn> try /lib/modules/ and add an rtai if that doesnt work
[14:14:50] <TorbaX> ./configure --with-rtai=/lib/modules/
[14:15:03] <TorbaX> checking for RT dir... checking specified rtai=/lib/modules/ configure: error: RTAIDIR=/lib/modules/ specified, but neither rtai-config \(RTAI-3.x\) nor realtime-config \(rtai-24.1.x\) found. Check your RTAI install
[14:15:10] <TorbaX> :-|
[14:15:34] <TorbaX> a strange problem I see...
[14:16:20] <fenn> i think i told you to use the wrong path
[14:16:29] <fenn> on my system here's what it looks like:
[14:16:51] <fenn> there's a folder /usr/realtime/ with this stuff in it: bin calibration include lib modules share testsuite
[14:17:09] <TorbaX> ./configure shows me various options
[14:17:18] <fenn> for whatever reason paul moved all that crap around on the bdi so it's scattered everywhere
[14:17:39] <TorbaX> --with-rtai=<path>, --with-rtlinux=<path>, --with-rtlinuxpro=<path>
[14:17:54] <fenn> you have rtai, the others are for different rt operating systems
[14:18:21] <TorbaX> i don't have any "realtime" folder in /usr
[14:18:26] <fenn> right
[14:19:04] <fenn> try locate rtai-config
[14:19:21] <TorbaX> it doesnt exists
[14:19:23] <TorbaX> s
[14:20:42] <TorbaX> I'm trying to search with apt-cache if I missing one package ....
[14:21:45] <TorbaX> i will install "rtai" : apt-get install rtai
[14:21:56] <TorbaX> ok done
[14:22:03] <fenn> er, that worked?!
[14:22:22] <TorbaX> :-(
[14:22:40] <fenn> rtai has to be compiled with the same compiler as the kernel was.. i doubt .deb's know about this dependency requirement
[14:23:03] <fenn> it really ought to be in one package
[14:24:13] <TorbaX> ...
[14:24:44] <alex_joni> hello
[14:24:57] <alex_joni> TorbaX: just came in
[14:25:01] <alex_joni> what distro?
[14:25:30] <alex_joni> seems like it's BDI 4.38
[14:25:36] <fenn> hot off the presses
[14:25:36] <TorbaX> BDI-4.38
[14:25:39] <alex_joni> from the kernel & rtai
[14:25:43] <alex_joni> right
[14:25:49] <alex_joni> did you follow the wiki's steps?
[14:26:11] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2
[14:26:31] <fenn> i pointed him there but it doesnt seem quite right
[14:26:56] <TorbaX> alex_joni: yes but the cvs login is on standby
[14:26:58] <alex_joni> I wrote there: `apt-get install realtime-` should do the trick
[14:27:11] <alex_joni> forget the cvs login, that's after that
[14:27:13] <TorbaX> the package doesn't exist
[14:27:21] <alex_joni> huh?
[14:27:28] <alex_joni> apt-cache search realtime
[14:27:36] <alex_joni> and look for packages containing rtai in the name
[14:27:44] <alex_joni> apt-cache search realtime | grep rtai
[14:28:20] <TorbaX> the mirror is correct
[14:28:39] <TorbaX> there are many packages
[14:28:46] <TorbaX> with rtai
[14:30:05] <alex_joni> hang on a second
[14:31:54] <alex_joni> back
[14:32:06] <alex_joni> try 'apt-get install rtai-dev-'
[14:35:32] <TorbaX> ok
[14:36:00] <TorbaX> up 70MB space.....
[14:36:10] <alex_joni> does it work?
[14:36:22] <TorbaX> cpp-2.95 gcc-2.95 linux-headers-
[14:36:45] <TorbaX> the package that apt-get install now
[14:38:05] <fenn> d'oh! no gcc woulda been a bitch :)
[14:38:59] <TorbaX> ok finished
[14:40:18] <TorbaX> wow
[14:40:29] <TorbaX> Now rtai-config exists
[14:40:51] <alex_joni> fenn: paul made gcc depend on the rtai-dev package
[14:40:57] <alex_joni> so it's sure the exact version is there
[14:42:10] <TorbaX> a first step now goes
[14:42:49] <TorbaX> ./configure --with-rtai=/usr/realtime-
[14:43:20] <TorbaX> it did find the RT dir
[14:43:24] <TorbaX> BUT
[14:43:34] <TorbaX> checking for cc version... found gcc-2.95 in rtai-config
[14:43:38] <TorbaX> checking for gcc-2.95... gcc-2.95
[14:43:42] <TorbaX> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[14:46:09] <TorbaX> there's a problem with compiler...
[14:46:33] <TorbaX> I don't understand where is it
[14:55:44] <TorbaX> in wiki page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_38_Compile_EMC2
[14:56:09] <TorbaX> when I check this
[14:56:14] <TorbaX> cd ~/emc2/src
[14:56:18] <TorbaX> ./configure
[14:56:42] <TorbaX> I see that src folder doesn't exist
[14:57:09] <TorbaX> but the configure files are in the top emc2 folder
[14:57:19] <TorbaX> cd ~/emc2
[14:57:25] <TorbaX> ./configure
[15:01:40] <alex_joni> TorbaX: you probably have an older checkout
[15:01:42] <alex_joni> a very old one..
[15:03:10] <alex_joni> ok.. seems the tar.gz you downloaded is busted :(
[15:03:11] <alex_joni> my fault
[15:05:46] <TorbaX> alex_joni: no problem:)
[15:06:24] <TorbaX> alex_joni: where newer package I find?
[15:06:36] <alex_joni> trying to build a new one now
[15:06:41] <alex_joni> but CVS should be safer
[15:08:41] <alex_joni> almost there..
[15:08:43] <TorbaX> alex_joni: I downloaded the http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/ nightly build
[15:08:47] <TorbaX> ...
[15:09:18] <alex_joni> yes, I've just seen that one is broken :(
[15:09:18] <TorbaX> and I think it's a copy of CVS......
[15:09:20] <alex_joni> sorry about that
[15:09:22] <alex_joni> no..
[15:09:35] <TorbaX> oh
[15:09:49] <TorbaX> http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/emc2-20060114.tar.gz
[15:09:50] <TorbaX> this
[15:09:59] <alex_joni> http://proxy.robcon.lcl/~emc/emc2-20060114.tar.gz
[15:10:05] <alex_joni> download it again, I fixed it..
[15:10:11] <TorbaX> ok thanks
[15:11:07] <alex_joni> but I am worried about that gcc stuff you reported
[15:11:14] <alex_joni> I might not be able to help you on that one :(
[15:12:09] <TorbaX> good
[15:12:13] <TorbaX> src folder exist
[15:13:12] <fenn> oops was that my emc2.tar.gz that was busted?
[15:13:34] <TorbaX> fenn: src folder doesn't exists
[15:13:52] <alex_joni> fenn: give me you URL
[15:13:57] <alex_joni> I want to check yours too
[15:14:02] <alex_joni> mine was surely busted :(
[15:14:15] <alex_joni> s/you/your/
[15:14:17] <fenn> i forgot to move the .tgz to the download directory, but it shouldnt have been busted before either
[15:14:43] <fenn> fenn.dyndns.org/pub/emc/emc2.tar.gz <- old one
[15:14:47] <TorbaX> fenn: your tar.gz is only half size of the alex's tarred version
[15:16:19] <alex_joni> fenn: yours is busted too
[15:16:21] <TorbaX> alex_joni: the problem is only:
[15:16:23] <TorbaX> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[15:16:28] <alex_joni> let me commit the changes for the Makefile
[15:16:30] <TorbaX> see config.log for detail
[15:16:38] <alex_joni> TorbaX: afraid I can't help you on that one :(
[15:17:34] <fenn> make tgz isn't grabbing all the other stuff, just the src dir
[15:18:02] <CIA-5> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/Makefile: updated make tgz for proper dirs, seems the old version was from before the Makefile moved to src/
[15:18:22] <fenn> that was quick :)
[15:18:45] <TorbaX> great
[15:18:53] <TorbaX> probably I find the solutin
[15:18:57] <TorbaX> solution
[15:19:18] <TorbaX>
[15:19:36] <TorbaX> simply install glibc-devel
[15:19:49] <TorbaX> now i try this
[15:20:14] <fenn> ok that works here too alex
[15:21:02] <alex_joni> fenn: ok
[15:21:05] <alex_joni> TorbaX: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), cpp-2.95 (>= 1:2.95.4), cpp-2.95 (<< 1:2.95.5), binutils (>=
[15:21:08] <alex_joni> Recommends: libc-dev
[15:21:14] <alex_joni> apt-get install libc-dev should do the trick
[15:21:21] <alex_joni> did you do any custom bdi install?
[15:21:58] <TorbaX> no, I did basic bdi Install
[15:22:43] <alex_joni> TorbaX: strange, I did one too, and got all the packages already on it
[15:24:39] <TorbaX> :-|
[15:24:52] <TorbaX> apt-get install libc6-dev
[15:25:32] <TorbaX> it will install: linux-kernel-headers
[15:25:32] <TorbaX> libc6-dev
[15:25:43] <TorbaX> recommended: gcc c-compiler
[15:30:00] <TorbaX> yessss
[15:30:04] <TorbaX> Goooooo
[15:31:20] <alex_joni> TorbaX: does it work?
[15:31:35] <jepler> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9459527&forum_id
[15:31:37] <jepler> oops
[15:31:42] <alex_joni> hi jeff ;)
[15:32:02] <jepler> hi alex
[15:32:06] <jepler> you caught me
[15:32:35] <fenn> you have become ensnared in the sticky mess that is IRC
[15:33:21] <TorbaX> the config process.... yes
[15:34:46] <alex_joni> TorbaX: nice
[15:34:51] <TorbaX> alex_joni: mmm in checking list I srr that more packages aren't installed
[15:35:06] <TorbaX> exactly now configure stopped.
[15:35:26] <TorbaX> it didn't find:
[15:35:32] <TorbaX> tcllib
[15:35:45] <TorbaX> gcc
[15:35:47] <TorbaX> g++
[15:36:13] <TorbaX> and a arnign for GTK that are not installed into BDI
[15:36:19] <TorbaX> warning
[15:36:26] <TorbaX> :-|
[15:36:35] <alex_joni> GTK is only needed for halmeter and halscope
[15:36:42] <alex_joni> so you can compile without
[15:36:48] <TorbaX> yes
[15:36:51] <alex_joni> but gcc and g++ you just installed previously
[15:36:56] <TorbaX> mm
[15:37:01] <TorbaX> ok
[15:37:05] <alex_joni> along with rtai-dev
[15:37:11] <cncuser> hello
[15:37:19] <alex_joni> hello cncuser
[15:37:27] <cncuser> hi alex_joni
[15:38:11] <cncuser> had a motherboardfault yesterday :(
[15:38:21] <cncuser> but the good part is
[15:39:10] <cncuser> my backup pc is much too lame to do the install within qemu. so i add nativ install to the howto while installing :) so its qemu, chrooted, native.
[15:39:35] <TorbaX> sorry alex_joni, which version of C ompiler do you have?
[15:39:45] <alex_joni> you need 2.97
[15:39:51] <alex_joni> for the kernel & rtai stuff
[15:39:56] <TorbaX> ops
[15:40:09] <TorbaX> apt-get shows me other versions
[15:40:18] <alex_joni> remove them
[15:40:26] <TorbaX> ?
[15:40:28] <alex_joni> apt-get install gcc-2.97
[15:40:31] <TorbaX> ok
[15:40:36] <alex_joni> or something like that
[15:40:58] <fenn> 2.97?
[15:41:06] <fenn> wtf?
[15:41:44] <TorbaX> I think 2.95... because the libc-dev require 2.95 ....
[15:42:01] <PhantomX> hi, can i make the settings for emc2 in the stepper_mm.ini or has it changed since emc1?
[15:42:46] <alex_joni> TorbaX: sorry, 2.95 is OK
[15:42:50] <alex_joni> I remembered it wrong
[15:42:57] <alex_joni> if you have 2.95, then keep it
[15:43:02] <fenn> PhantomX: yes, but you should copy it to a new file so it doesn't get overwritten
[15:43:04] <alex_joni> PhantomX: what do you want to change?
[15:43:17] <PhantomX> fenn: thats exactly the problem
[15:43:21] <PhantomX> it gets overwritten
[15:43:34] <alex_joni> PhantomX: what are you changing?
[15:43:35] <PhantomX> each time when i start and then close emc2
[15:43:40] <fenn> eww
[15:43:45] <alex_joni> PhantomX: what are you changing?
[15:43:45] <PhantomX> scale
[15:43:55] <alex_joni> change it when emc is NOT running
[15:44:12] <PhantomX> input is ok, but output gets resetted every time
[15:44:15] <PhantomX> i did
[15:44:15] <cncuser> id like to add some tools for gcode conversion and creation. is there some linklist online ?
[15:44:35] <fenn> cncuser: please add them to the wiki?
[15:44:53] <cncuser> fenn: is tehre a wiki ?
[15:44:57] <fenn> heh
[15:44:59] <fenn> wiki.linuxcnc.org
[15:45:14] <PhantomX> i have changed the stepper_mm.ini
[15:45:37] <cncuser> fenn: ok, ill comunication ;) i ment i want to add tools to the puppy. where can i find a list. ok, in the wiki, thanks ;)
[15:46:18] <fenn> ah sorry i had that backwards
[15:46:35] <fenn> no, there's no good list of linux gcode tools
[15:46:43] <fenn> mainly because there are so few linux gcode tools
[15:46:55] <alex_joni> PhantomX: output is not used in emc2 afaik
[15:47:01] <cncuser> fenn: you understood right. i wrote it down the wrong way ;)
[15:47:03] <alex_joni> and in emc1 output should be 1 afaik..
[15:47:16] <fenn> there's hp2xx, cradek has some stuff, ... (tries to think of more)
[15:47:25] <PhantomX> so if output is not used, why is it resetted then?
[15:47:54] <alex_joni> because on shutdown emc is writing internal values to the ini
[15:48:02] <PhantomX> i thought input and output should be equal
[15:48:02] <alex_joni> and the internal value for output is 1 or so..
[15:48:07] <fenn> cncuser: cp1 in the linuxcnc dropbox
[15:48:08] <cncuser> fenn: well i know of cradeks tool for truetypefont engraving which woks nice. then there is the hp2xxx thingy that converts allmos all vectorformats into allmost all
[15:48:13] <alex_joni> output doesn't mean anything in emc2
[15:48:22] <alex_joni> so it shouldn't matter what number is there..
[15:48:30] <alex_joni> afaik there is no value in the default ini
[15:49:18] <cncuser> hmm, is it okay if i add a wikipage CncTools ?
[15:49:36] <fenn> how bout something more specific like CAM
[15:49:59] <cncuser> fenn: hmm, well, there also will be simple format a to b converters for feeding into cam
[15:50:06] <cncuser> Cam could be a subsection
[15:50:28] <jepler> CncTools might also be interpreted to mean the thing you put in the spindle of your machine...
[15:50:46] <PhantomX> alex_joni:ok, thanks so far
[15:51:09] <cncuser> fenn: i look at it that way: i have some pics (bitmap and vector) and some cad drawings. and like to get all into a format emc eats and feeds into my cnc.
[15:51:16] <cncuser> jepler: ok
[15:51:29] <fenn> yeah that process is generally referred to as CAM
[15:51:37] <cncuser> hmm
[15:52:09] <fenn> hence all the programs out there that end in "cam"
[15:52:20] <cncuser> well, im new in this business, i think cam is the process of routing th way of the spindle
[15:52:32] <fenn> yep
[15:52:41] <cncuser> so thats the last part
[15:52:42] <fenn> that's what you're doing when you "convert it into a format emc eats"
[15:53:31] <cncuser> fenn: yes, but if i have a bitmap i first have to convert it into a vecotrgraphic and the feed that into a camprocessor..whatever, ok, i call it cam
[15:55:29] <jepler> cncuser: if the brightness in the image corresponds to the depth to cut, then you may want a tool like http://timeguy.com/cradek/image-to-gcode
[15:56:20] <cncuser> jepler: nice. i once installed atool with a webfrontend that did this
[15:56:37] <cncuser> i think its still online :)
[15:56:40] <cncuser> *looking*
[15:57:31] <cncuser> hahaha
[15:57:33] <cncuser> really
[15:57:53] <fenn> jepler: any good way to do tool compensation in image-to-gcode? for 3d milling it's terrible
[15:58:01] <cncuser> i forgot to remove it, if someone wants to try: http://box.hinternet.at/spce/
[15:58:16] <cncuser> i shut it down in a hour, for security :)
[15:58:37] <fenn> suppose you would have to calculate surface normals and offset the position by the radius of a ball nose
[15:58:58] <fenn> but that's a whole nother ball game
[16:00:10] <jepler> fenn: yeah, obviously image-to-gcode doesn't do anything like that. But you could write a program that takes an image and does the compensation, then use that as input to image-to-gcode.
[16:01:34] <cncuser> hmm *dreaming*
[16:01:49] <cncuser> a physicengine cnc simulaor would be nice :)
[16:02:07] <cncuser> so one could adjust the speed before the tool breaks via simulation :)
[16:02:10] <jepler> fenn: In another, unreleased piece of software, the method used is to sum a 2D array representing the shape of the tool with the pixels from the image at the X,Y position to be milled, and take the max() of the resulting matrix to be the commanded Z position.
[16:03:40] <TorbaX> checking for library containing Tcl_Init... no
[16:03:41] <TorbaX> configure: error: tcl lib not found
[16:03:50] <TorbaX> it's terrible
[16:04:19] <alex_joni> TorbaX: seems you are missing a lot of packages
[16:04:25] <TorbaX> I did do "apt-get install tcllib"
[16:04:32] <jepler> tcllib is something else
[16:04:33] <alex_joni> try the install procedure for bdi-4.30
[16:04:43] <jepler> I think you want tcl-dev (and probably tk-dev)
[16:05:13] <alex_joni> TorbaX: ` sudo apt-get install cvs g++ gcc gcc-2.95 ncurses-dev pciutils-dev tk8.4-dev libgtk2.0-dev `
[16:05:45] <alex_joni> you probably need the last 4
[16:05:53] <fenn> jepler: how do you prevent gouging the part? say there is a blob starting on line 50, but on line 49 you're plowing through the stock you'd need at line 50
[16:07:22] <fenn> oh i think i get it.. you check a different pixel for each entry in the tool shape matrix
[16:09:43] <jepler> fenn: right. If your tool is 50x50 image pixels in diameter, then for each commanded move you compute a 50x50 matrix of (tool shape[i,j] + image pixel[x+i-25,y+j-25]), and find the max of the matrix
[16:10:03] <jepler> i, j = 0 .. 49
[16:10:18] <jepler> the max is the commanded "Z"
[16:10:39] <fenn> neat
[16:10:50] <jepler> because if you went any lower, somewhere the tool will cut away something you wanted to keep
[16:11:53] <fenn> you can pretty easily generate a "this is what we got left" from that data too
[16:13:05] <fenn> and generate a difference map from that with GIMP or some such to give you a map of where you need to cut with the finish tool
[16:13:12] <jepler> nice idea
[16:13:14] <fenn> so you aren't going over all the blank spots
[16:13:41] <fenn> you have to add code to skip greyscale 255 values
[16:13:53] <fenn> or whatever un-cut ends up being
[16:15:53] <jepler> anybody have advice for cutting out plexiglass? I have a project where I drill small holes into plexiglass with CNC, but I also want to cut out the plexiglass to size. So far I've had terrible luck, with the plexi usually melting onto the tool. Non-CNC suggestions are OK, I just need to get a rectangular shape with a nice clean edge that will polish up well.
[16:16:37] <jepler> (the project is http://emergent.unpy.net/stippler)
[16:17:25] <Jymmm> jepler: what tool are you using?
[16:17:33] <fenn> heh just in time Jymmm
[16:17:47] <cncuser> jepler: id do that with a hmm, lets look what stichsaege is spelled :)
[16:17:50] <jepler> Jymmm: I think the last attempts were with a 1/16" end mill
[16:17:59] <fenn> jepler: increase feedrate, increase rake and clearance angle, decrease spindle speed
[16:18:13] <cncuser> a jigsaw
[16:18:15] <fenn> acrylic is a PITA however you slice it
[16:18:19] <Jymmm> jepler: Do you have a single flute endmill?
[16:18:28] <jepler> Jymmm: I think it was two-flute
[16:18:59] <fenn> a triple chip tooth sawblade on a table saw is supposed to work, provided you feed fast enough
[16:19:22] <fenn> dunno how polished that will be
[16:19:33] <Jymmm> jepler: I contacted onsrund, they have tools specifically for plastics; Try a single flute, if you have it or I can give you the p/n for theirs.
[16:20:00] <Jymmm> jepler: They call it an O-Flute
[16:20:05] <Jymmm> Let me get the link
[16:20:08] <jepler> Jymmm: if you have the p/n that's great. I'm sure I don't have one.
[16:20:30] <jepler> can I buy onsrund online in small quantity?
[16:20:38] <Jymmm> Yes
[16:20:44] <Jymmm> jepler : http://www.plasticsmag.com/routing.asp?fIssue=May/Jun-03&aid=3784
[16:20:55] <Jymmm> jepler : http://www.plasticsmag.com/routing.asp?fIssue=Mar/Apr-03&aid=3751
[16:20:57] <jepler> fenn: I've found that polishing on a belt sander can give the polished edge I need for light transmission
[16:21:11] <Jymmm> jepler: http://www.plasticsmag.com/routing.asp?fIssue=Jan/Feb-05&aid=4139
[16:21:24] <Jymmm> jepler you want to flame polsih acrylic
[16:21:36] <fenn> http://yarchive.net/metal/plexiglass.html
[16:21:43] <jepler> these are great links, thanks guys.
[16:21:48] <Jymmm> jepler won't hurt to temper acrylic either
[16:22:05] <cncuser> jeppler: nice, where are the leds placed ? around the picture ?
[16:22:31] <Jymmm> jepler what type of acrylic?
[16:22:39] <jepler> Jymmm: "the stuff at the hardware store"
[16:22:45] <jepler> Jymmm: "in the remainder bin"
[16:23:01] <Jymmm> jepler: Okey......... paper or plastic film on it?
[16:23:53] <jepler> cncuser: Yes. There is a special surface-mount LED that shines down (towards the PCB). So I created some single-sided PCBs with holes for the LED to shine through, and on the reverse side cut a channel the width of the plexiglass. So they basically snap onto the edge of the plexi, and are hidden behind the matte.
[16:24:05] <jepler> Jymmm: it comes with a blue plastic film on it
[16:24:26] <Jymmm> jepler: That's cast acrylic. what thickness?
[16:24:29] <cncuser> nice
[16:24:50] <Jymmm> err sorry... blue plastic film is Extruded acrylic.
[16:24:52] <jepler> Jymmm: around .09"
[16:25:21] <Jymmm> jepler max thickness you might use ever in your life for this project?
[16:25:49] <Jymmm> wait, you said for a frame?
[16:27:02] <Jymmm> if for a frame, I wouldn't use that thin.... thermal expansion and bowing
[16:27:03] <jepler> Jymmm: I don't know what the ideal thickness is. Probably I'd like thinner, but this was available.
[16:27:47] <Jymmm> jepler about what dimaeters (max) will the final piece be?
[16:28:00] <jepler> diameter?
[16:28:12] <Jymmm> 8x10 4x6 5x7
[16:28:22] <jepler> 4x6 max
[16:28:25] <Jymmm> dimensions, sorry
[16:28:27] <Jymmm> ok
[16:28:49] <Jymmm> jepler leave at least 1/8" for it to flex
[16:29:40] <jepler> Jymmm: the plexi actually goes behind a matte, so I size it to be a bit bigger than the matte.
[16:29:44] <TorbaX> the first step i sok now
[16:29:57] <jepler> so far I've been using 3.5x5 (?) mattes
[16:30:01] <Jymmm> jepler: Ok.... Extruded acrylic (to Onsrund) is a "Soft Plastic"
[16:30:04] <TorbaX> ./configure exit with success
[16:30:17] <TorbaX> without any error
[16:30:21] <Jymmm> jepler metric or english?
[16:30:41] <jepler> inch
[16:30:55] <jepler> 3.5x5 inch mattes
[16:31:10] <TorbaX> alex_joni: what choice do I do ?
[16:31:14] <TorbaX> 1) make
[16:31:18] <TorbaX> or
[16:31:37] <TorbaX> 2) make KDIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-
[16:31:39] <TorbaX> ??
[16:31:44] <cncuser> jepler: my collegue just mentioned that if you replace the leds with lacer or bundle the ledlight more, you are ble to do make animated images using differnet depths of holes :)
[16:32:17] <TorbaX> in the messages that configure shows seems to suggest me "make"
[16:32:29] <fenn> heh DIY cheesy neon signs
[16:32:47] <fenn> eat at J O E's
[16:33:06] <Jymmm> jepler : Single Edge - Solid Carbide Upcut Spiral O Flute; 1/16" 63-750, 1/8" 63-760 (both are 1/4" shanks)
[16:33:43] <Jymmm> jepler: http://plasticrouting.com/
[16:33:49] <Jymmm> you can order from there
[16:33:58] <jepler> Jymmm: thanks
[16:34:07] <TorbaX> mmm
[16:34:30] <TorbaX> a simple "make" catch an error
[16:34:40] <TorbaX> i try the 2nd solution
[16:34:46] <TorbaX> make KDIR=......
[16:35:19] <TorbaX> it seems to be ok
[16:35:24] <Jymmm> jepler: They are strange in the fact they have two different cutters depending on hard or soft plastics. When they say soft, they mena when it's being machined it's characteristics of melting back upon itself.
[16:36:02] <Jymmm> jepler I gave you the p/n for soft plastics (extruded acrylic), if you want hard plastics (cast acrylics) let me know.
[16:36:58] <jepler> cncuser: actually there is a very old kind of numeric readout called "side-lit display", which has 10 digits (and maybe a decimal point) inside, each engraved with dots on a piece of glass or hard plastic, lit by incandescent bulbs.
[16:37:13] <jepler> cncuser: to light a digit you just turn on the corresponding bulb
[16:37:14] <Jymmm> jepler: Soft Plastics: Extruded Acrylis, HDPE, HIPS, UHMW, ABS, Poly Carb, PE, Poly styrene, acetal, and PET.
[16:37:26] <cncuser> jepler: cool :) got a name o a link ?
[16:37:39] <jepler> cncuser: No, I don't really know any good pages about this old technology.
[16:37:51] <fenn> jymmm it looks like they divide them by the surface energy of the material
[16:38:06] <jepler> cncuser: I think this page is a modern clock based on the same technology: http://www.nixieclocks.de/english/01fd1195c106d4517.html
[16:38:06] <fenn> ABS is on the borderline
[16:38:27] <jepler> Jymmm: for now I'll be sticking with this same kind of plastic
[16:38:45] <Jymmm> fenn basically what I was told is the group is based upon meltback characteristics
[16:39:05] <jepler> cncuser: I don't understand how he does it with only 4 LEDs
[16:39:19] <Jymmm> jepler who?
[16:39:52] <jepler> Jymmm: the author of nixieclocks.de, in the link I gave just a moment ago
[16:40:19] <cncuser> jepler: the scopeclock is fascinating
[16:41:06] <Jymmm> jepler almost looks like layers
[16:41:12] <jepler> cncuser: cradek has a scope clock too. http://timeguy.com/cradek/clocks
[16:42:15] <cncuser> jepler: woow, the sidelitthingy is really misterious. no word bout mirrors or lenses
[16:42:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[16:42:43] <alex_joni> later guys
[16:42:53] <fenn> nite nite
[16:43:31] <Jymmm> I think he has multiple payers going on
[16:43:34] <Jymmm> layers
[16:43:57] <jepler> The classic sidelit display I saw has one layer and one lamp for each digit
[16:44:31] <Jymmm> have you emailed him?
[16:44:49] <jepler> nope; I only found the page this morning
[16:48:53] <Jymmm> ah
[16:49:49] <Jymmm> jepler Oh, Bosch also has a single O-Flute bit too, if you can find it that is
[16:50:41] <Jymmm> jepler: http://www.boschtools.com/accessories/accessories-detail?H=177705&G=57234&T=0&D=False
[16:59:21] <cncuser> woow, nice those clocks
[16:59:46] <cncuser> well, i have only rtcs :)
[16:59:59] <cncuser> not even a wristwatch
[17:00:21] <cncuser> but maybe i turn my oscillar 1 into a scopeclock one day ;)
[17:04:12] <PhantomX> hi again
[17:04:47] <jepler> cncuser: too many cool projects, too little time
[17:09:42] <cncuser> jepler: word
[17:11:16] <PhantomX> is the linenumber in g-code absolutely necessary for emc?
[17:11:28] <cradek> no
[17:12:24] <PhantomX> hm i get the message "unknow g-code used"
[17:12:35] <cradek> what's the line?
[17:13:05] <PhantomX> i gues this: G90
[17:13:10] <PhantomX> for example
[17:13:30] <PhantomX> thats the whole beginning: %
[17:13:30] <PhantomX> G90
[17:13:30] <PhantomX> G71
[17:13:30] <PhantomX> G00Z0.0
[17:13:30] <PhantomX> T1M6
[17:13:31] <PhantomX> G00Z0.0
[17:13:33] <PhantomX> M03
[17:13:35] <PhantomX> G00X105.584Y54.791
[17:14:29] <cradek> http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/personnel/kramer/pubs/RS274NGC_3.web/RS274NGC_3TOC.html
[17:14:45] <cradek> there is no g71 command
[17:15:06] <cradek> do you know what it's supposed to do?
[17:15:07] <PhantomX> ok, thats just what i got from the bocnc programm
[17:15:19] <PhantomX> g91 is relative positions
[17:15:28] <PhantomX> g71 i don't know
[17:15:34] <cradek> g71 is "mm mode" in rs274-d
[17:15:48] <cradek> change it to g21
[17:15:57] <PhantomX> ok, i will try it thx
[17:29:21] <cncuser> please add any tools you use for cam and that are helpfull here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[17:34:14] <PhantomX> that was ist
[17:38:47] <fenn> you actually use sagCAD?
[17:39:39] <quasinero> hi all
[17:40:11] <cncuser> fenn: no, i just copied that from a german wiki and replaced the descriptions with simple english ones
[17:40:34] <cncuser> fenn: if you know more about it just add the info to the wiki page
[17:41:53] <fenn> there was no english translation until recently and my 2d cad niche was already filled with qcad so i never tried sagcad
[17:42:20] <cncuser> fenn: ic, sorry, cant tell you anything about it.
[18:19:06] <Jacky^> had a nice discussion about GPL with stallman :P
[18:22:11] <fenn> yeah, right
[18:22:42] <Jacky^> anyone remember the command to register a nick on irc ?
[18:22:49] <fenn> i was talking to sharon about peace in israel the other day..
[18:22:55] <Jacky^> was /msg nickserv register ?
[18:23:07] <fenn> yeah
[18:23:11] <Lucio65> hi
[18:23:12] <Jacky^> ty
[18:23:36] <fenn> /msg nickserv register <password>
[18:23:38] <Lucio65> /msg nickserv register ?
[18:23:46] <Lucio65> ?
[18:23:46] <Lucio65> tnc
[18:23:48] <Lucio65> tnx
[18:24:08] <fenn> Lucio65: howdy doody
[18:26:16] <Lucio65> hi fenn
[18:26:49] <Lucio65> ;-) mny tnx i don't remember the cmd
[18:26:56] <Lucio65> now ok
[18:26:58] <fenn> jacky was asking how to register
[18:27:19] <fenn> but it seems you are from italy also
[18:28:24] <k4ts> :)
[18:28:51] <Lucio65> yes im from sardynia
[18:29:14] <Lucio65> hi k4ts
[18:29:29] <k4ts> hi
[18:32:26] <cncuser> cu later
[18:55:21] <TorbaX> make of emc2 on a K6-II@350MHz ....it's a long long wait.....
[18:55:49] <TorbaX> hi Lucio
[18:57:18] <Lucio65> hi TorbaX
[18:57:53] <TorbaX> where are you from?
[18:58:05] <Lucio65> italy
[18:58:11] <TorbaX> oh Italy.....
[18:58:16] <Lucio65> and you ?
[18:58:32] <TorbaX> in cussu logu
[18:58:47] <Lucio65> ahahah
[18:58:51] <TorbaX> ehe
[18:58:58] <TorbaX> Sardinia-Italy
[18:59:01] <Lucio65> de aundi ?
[18:59:11] <TorbaX> de Assemini
[18:59:27] <Lucio65> siamo vicini
[18:59:31] <Lucio65> Iglesias
[18:59:35] <Jacky^> haha :)
[18:59:39] <TorbaX> uhahaha
[19:00:14] <TorbaX> World is not enough small......
[19:00:22] <TorbaX> :P
[19:00:27] <Jacky^> lol
[19:00:29] <Jacky^> :)
[19:00:38] <Lucio65> very nice
[19:00:41] <Lucio65> :-)
[19:02:54] <fenn> help! we are being overrun by sardinians!
[19:04:08] <Jacky^> :D
[19:04:15] <fenn> i know jacky has a part in this
[19:04:37] <Jacky^> not at all
[19:04:52] <Jacky^> first time I meet TorbaX :)
[19:04:59] <fenn> so, what did richard stallman say about the gpl?
[19:05:03] <Jacky^> TorbaX: nice to meet you ;)
[19:05:29] <Jacky^> fenn: im looking for a license to use for a wiki, roboitalia community
[19:05:39] <Jacky^> GFDL would be nice
[19:05:50] <Jacky^> but not all peoples agree ..
[19:06:10] <TorbaX> Jacky^: nice to meet you too
[19:06:14] <Jacky^> stallman sayd there's some recent changes to look
[19:06:17] <Lucio65> hi fenn ...over ?? only two ...i think
[19:06:19] <Jacky^> .. http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
[19:06:58] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is reading it ..
[19:12:03] <fenn> well i'm glad someone is pumping a lot of brainpower into this issue
[19:16:46] <fenn> wonder if anyone is considering making a "license check" program to verify that all the licenses are compatible
[19:17:21] <Jacky^> fenn: the guys of my community are thinking to mix a lots of license ..
[19:17:38] <Jacky^> Im very confused now about it
[19:17:51] <Jacky^> Im only sure about GFDL
[19:18:11] <fenn> you are sure it is a good idea or not?
[19:18:24] <fenn> i havent read it
[19:18:29] <Jacky^> Im sure
[19:18:40] <Jacky^> oh.. nope
[19:18:48] <Jacky^> im reading it right now ..
[19:18:52] <Jacky^> sorry
[19:19:12] <Jacky^> I know GPL as general license
[19:19:24] <Jacky^> but not much details about others
[19:22:32] <Jacky^> someone would use Creative Commons, but it leave many important questions unanswered
[19:24:02] <fenn> this is a tough problem which may have no solution
[19:24:13] <fenn> that's why i gave up on it when deciding on a license for my wiki :)
[19:24:27] <fenn> it turned out that it didnt matter in the end, because nobody (hardly) contributed
[19:24:48] <Jacky^> right
[19:27:35] <fenn> heheh The Tentacles of Evil test
[19:30:57] <jepler> I had the same experience is fenn
[19:31:10] <Jacky^> hi jepler
[19:31:42] <jepler> well, in fact, I never even thought about the license
[19:32:19] <jepler> hi Jacky^. what's new?
[19:32:54] <Jacky^> almost ready for dinner here , thats the good thing :)
[19:33:05] <jepler> I just sat down to lunch, but brought along my laptop for compan
[19:33:06] <jepler> y
[19:33:18] <fenn> your laptop can't keep you company
[19:33:28] <fenn> unless you have some clever AI software you arent sharing
[19:33:30] <jepler> no, but you guys can
[19:33:53] <Jacky^> I have to read the document about Draft Debian Position Statement about the GNU Free
[19:34:21] <fenn> it's quite long isn't it
[19:34:29] <jepler> and bo-ring
[19:35:25] <fenn> i'm enjoying reading the dfsg
[19:36:00] <Jacky^> :)
[19:47:13] <fenn> er, the dfsg-faq i mean
[19:57:47] <Jacky^> hehe for a gprs connection Lucio65 has resist enough :P
[20:02:25] <fenn> rofl.. linux reference center... sponsored by microsoft
[20:02:41] <fenn> http://www.devx.com/assets/vendshow/12833.gif
[20:03:28] <Jacky^> doh !
[20:03:54] <fenn> and all of the stories are somthing like "company X saves millions of dollars by choosing windos over linux"
[20:16:33] <TorbaX> * TorbaX long long long.....
[20:23:15] <TorbaX> * TorbaX .......long long long .....
[20:24:17] <TorbaX> it's very difficult to rebuild emc or emc2 on a old machine.....
[20:43:43] <dmessier> bounjour all
[20:45:24] <Jacky^> hi dmessier
[20:45:27] <Jacky^> hi rayh
[20:45:48] <rayh> Hi Jacky^
[20:46:02] <Jacky^> rayh: looking for License to use for a wiki, any suggestion ?
[20:46:18] <rayh> How far do you live from Florence?
[20:46:26] <Jacky^> I was reading at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml
[20:46:36] <Jacky^> Florence ?.. uhm
[20:46:48] <Jacky^> 2 hours from Rome
[20:47:10] <Jacky^> about 3.5 hours
[20:47:16] <Jacky^> for Florence
[20:47:36] <Jacky^> rayh: need something from there ?
[20:48:14] <rayh> Ah. My daughter plans a trip there next year.
[20:48:21] <Jacky^> cool
[20:48:42] <dmessier> pick us all up in the global express rayh
[20:48:50] <Jacky^> If you need anything let me know ! ;P
[20:49:26] <Jacky^> we've friends there
[20:50:13] <Jacky^> already seen k4ts photo in our frappr group ?
[20:50:22] <Jacky^> she was there
[20:51:00] <Jacky^> Florence is the city of love :)
[20:51:26] <Jacky^> romantic
[20:52:58] <rayh> The debian reaction to gpld seems like a nitpick.
[20:54:28] <Jacky^> I'm having a lot of difficult to choose the right License for a robotics community
[20:54:42] <rayh> What would you like readers or users of your wiki not to be able to do with it?
[20:55:19] <Jacky^> I proposed GFDL as standard, but many peoples disagree with my choiche
[20:55:42] <Jacky^> someone want to protect his 'individual projects'
[20:55:52] <Jymmm> Jacky^ I'd suggest you read http://creativecommons.org/
[20:56:00] <Jacky^> someone write hex code for microcontroller and other
[20:56:17] <Jacky^> Jymmm: someone want to use CC
[20:56:36] <Jacky^> rayh: the issue for me is the mix of this license
[20:56:47] <Jacky^> wiki is wilde ..
[20:56:58] <Jacky^> cant find the right way
[20:57:00] <Jymmm> Jacky^ http://creativecommons.org/license/
[20:57:08] <Jymmm> that will help you select a license
[20:57:29] <rayh> I did quite a bit of looking at these a few years ago.
[20:58:21] <rayh> I didn't find what debian calls the GNU Free Documentation License to be al all troublesome.
[20:58:52] <Jacky^> Id like a license GPL compatible
[20:59:01] <Jacky^> but seems hard
[20:59:23] <rayh> Wiki text is really a difficult thing.
[20:59:26] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is confused
[20:59:32] <Jacky^> yeah
[20:59:42] <rayh> IMO public domain might the the most suitable.
[20:59:43] <Jacky^> links are an issue too
[20:59:58] <rayh> for text stuff.
[21:00:41] <Jymmm> hey a wiki license --> http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?license_code=by-sa&wiki=true&lang=en-us
[21:01:57] <rayh> There is a rather large disagreement right now between the guys who started wikipedia.
[21:02:33] <Jacky^> yeah.. I was in #gnu they was right talking about wiki and license
[21:04:41] <Jacky^> right now Im the only one looking for a Totally Free License
[21:05:29] <Jacky^> 80% of roboitalia community (who will use the wiki) are for Creative Commons License
[21:05:39] <Jacky^> Its seems theres no solution
[21:06:20] <Jacky^> :(
[21:09:41] <dmessier> the neighbors 2 dogs just busted into the house as i let my 2 in... an extra boxer and doberman in my house IS too much
[21:12:25] <Jacky^> dmessier: cool, but dangerous ..
[21:13:10] <Jacky^> I prefers the cats :)
[21:13:39] <Jacky^> Ive 2 cats right now
[21:13:52] <Jacky^> the first is my engineer consulent
[21:13:59] <dmessier> there are still 2 cats in the building
[21:14:26] <dmessier> all fully clawed and dangerous
[21:14:44] <Jacky^> http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/photo/675881
[21:14:51] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:15:06] <Jacky^> the other is wild ! damn it
[21:15:30] <Jacky^> and.. aybe there's some other kat around ..
[21:15:33] <Jacky^> :D
[21:15:48] <fenn> k4ts
[21:15:54] <Jacky^> hehe ;P
[21:17:49] <dmessier> my 17 yr old siemese had to be put down between xmass and new yr.... was the GREATEST.. cat.. he flew a kite... he water ski'd
[21:18:12] <dmessier> he was my puppy-cat
[21:18:30] <dmessier> and my wifes kitty cat
[21:18:38] <Jacky^> :)
[21:20:11] <dmessier> i feel like dr doolittle these days.... ive had sled dogs... ferrets...
[21:20:38] <dmessier> we had bunnies last spring
[21:21:02] <dmessier> birds come and go
[21:21:08] <fenn> madagascar hissing cockroaches?
[21:21:11] <dmessier> and come back
[21:21:29] <fenn> just set out the cardboard, they'll find it
[21:21:43] <dmessier> no but a frieck friend has some if you need them... LOL
[21:23:15] <dmessier> "someone" uses them to fight certain snakes
[21:27:07] <Jacky^> http://www.frappr.com/?a=mywidgets
[21:27:11] <Jacky^> cool :P
[21:31:28] <fenn> i really dont understand why the fsf wants to add burdensome restrictions like cover pages to the gfdl
[21:31:44] <fenn> nobody ended up "stealing" gpl'd software did they?
[21:34:55] <Jacky^> no clue
[21:35:38] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ hitting the head on the wall
[21:36:02] <Jacky^> I just hope to find a solution before the end of next week :/
[21:56:43] <k4ts> hellooo
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[22:21:19] <Jacky^> jmkasunich: hi
[22:21:33] <jmkasunich> hi
[22:21:34] <Jacky^> hi robin
[22:22:12] <Jacky^> jmkasunich: any idea about the License to use for a Free wiki (documentation) ?
[22:22:45] <jmkasunich> no clue
[22:22:53] <Jacky^> ok :)
[22:23:06] <Jacky^> whats up ?
[22:23:11] <Jacky^> all right ?
[22:37:20] <fenn> gfdl with no invariant sections doesnt seem too bad
[22:37:32] <fenn> but if 80% want to use CC why not just use CC?
[22:45:49] <TorbaX> its' a miracle
[22:46:06] <Jacky^> hey fenn
[22:46:07] <TorbaX> compile process completed
[22:46:14] <fenn> whee!!
[22:46:15] <alex_joni> TorbaX: sounds good
[22:46:31] <fenn> how many hours was that?
[22:46:42] <TorbaX> but now ....
[22:46:50] <Jacky^> fenn: thanks ;)
[22:47:09] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ writing a reply on the forum ..
[22:47:20] <alex_joni> TorbaX: what now? :D
[22:47:35] <TorbaX> where I find the bin to start emc2?
[22:47:39] <fenn> Jacky^: tell the guy who wants "control over his own projects" to get his own webpage ;)
[22:47:55] <cradek> TorbaX: scripts/emc
[22:48:13] <Jacky^> fenn: yeah
[22:48:15] <TorbaX> ehm
[22:48:31] <TorbaX> ok
[22:48:33] <TorbaX> :P
[22:49:25] <TorbaX> wow
[22:49:31] <TorbaX> it's starts
[22:49:39] <TorbaX> yahuuuuuhauhauhu
[22:49:49] <TorbaX> my choice is stepper_mm
[22:53:26] <alex_joni> TorbaX: I suggest reading documentation next
[22:53:46] <TorbaX> :)
[22:53:49] <TorbaX> yes
[22:55:43] <TorbaX> alex_joni: I found a standard_pinout.hal
[22:56:12] <TorbaX> and finally I set the correct parallel port pins
[22:56:51] <alex_joni> TorbaX: seems you're on the right track
[22:56:56] <alex_joni> follow that track :)
[22:59:59] <TorbaX> alex_joni: I have a question
[23:00:05] <TorbaX> in hal file
[23:00:12] <alex_joni> TorbaX: don't let me stop you
[23:00:59] <TorbaX> where do I set the inverse logic to pin?
[23:02:30] <alex_joni> ok, a bit of basics
[23:02:40] <alex_joni> but you get this from reading HAL_Introduction.pdf
[23:02:45] <TorbaX> :-|
[23:02:48] <TorbaX> perfect
[23:03:07] <fenn> (some pins have a polarity value in the .ini too)
[23:03:26] <alex_joni> fenn: not for emc2, not yet
[23:03:28] <k4ts> night
[23:03:31] <fenn> no?
[23:03:44] <alex_joni> TorbaX: each HAL output pin has a parameter associated with it
[23:04:14] <alex_joni> for example: parport.0.pin-12-out has a parameter caled parport.0.pin-12-out-invert
[23:04:23] <alex_joni> if you set it to 1, it will be inverted
[23:05:00] <TorbaX> it seems to be simple
[23:05:24] <alex_joni> setp parport.0.pin-12-out-invert 1
[23:05:48] <alex_joni> should do the trick, but I am writing from memory, you might want to read the HAL_Introduction.pdf for specifics;)
[23:15:40] <TorbaX> I've just done a copy of "stepper" folder to save a safe copy...
[23:17:01] <cradek> TorbaX: the stepper folder should never change except by cvs
[23:17:10] <cradek> TorbaX: copy to a new folder if you want to customize for your machine
[23:18:11] <TorbaX> thanks cradek
[23:18:27] <alex_joni> TorbaX: there is a program calledemc2/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl which helps you doing that
[23:18:38] <alex_joni> run it before running emc2, and you can select creating a new config
[23:19:19] <alex_joni> it will ask you to chose a template (in your case the stepper_mm or stepper_inch, and a name for the new config), after that it willcopyallthe files you might need to a separate directory
[23:21:49] <fenn> Jacky^: you were right.. it was stallman after all, sorry i doubted you
[23:22:16] <Jacky^> where ?
[23:22:18] <Jacky^> :P
[23:23:05] <fenn> ;)
[23:42:17] <TorbaX> only axis Z works
[23:43:01] <TorbaX> X and Y seems to be stopped
[23:43:26] <TorbaX> but the counter in the windows shows movement
[23:43:59] <TorbaX> probably I turn off the motors, and turn on after
[23:45:42] <TorbaX> ops
[23:45:59] <TorbaX> I missed the pin3 of parallel port
[23:46:35] <TorbaX> it enables the X motor
[23:47:10] <TorbaX> (but it enables all motors....)
[23:47:41] <TorbaX> and the endswitch_z are inverted....
[23:47:50] <TorbaX> ok
[23:48:23] <TorbaX> tomorrow (ehm....italy is Today now)
[23:48:26] <TorbaX> I go to bed
[23:48:28] <TorbaX> now
[23:48:32] <TorbaX> zzz zzz
[23:48:54] <Jacky^> TorbaX: it maybe depend on drivers youre using
[23:49:05] <Jacky^> G night :)
[23:49:31] <TorbaX> thaks alex_joni fenn Jacky^ ad all
[23:49:38] <alex_joni> night
[23:50:01] <TorbaX> Jacky^: I miss few IO pin to set property
[23:50:18] <TorbaX> ....night......
[23:50:18] <Jacky^> it happen ..
[23:50:22] <Jacky^> night
[23:51:27] <TorbaX> TorbaX is now known as TorbaX_bed
[23:54:42] <CIA-5> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/TODO: changes to TODO from board discussion
[23:54:50] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_dinner