#emc | Logs for 2006-01-12

[00:16:43] <Jymmm> les_w you back?
[00:38:07] <les_w> yeah just back from dinner
[00:38:11] <les_w> cooked seafood
[00:38:54] <les_w> watched last part of "emperor of the north"
[00:39:00] <les_w> good flick
[01:14:33] <Jymmm> ah cool
[01:14:33] <Jymmm> you back again?
[01:28:40] <Jymmm> les_w : I followed your advice on using laytex paitn a tad watered down (milky), but as it's drying, it's getting awefully thin.
[01:48:59] <djb_rh> * djb_rh pokes icee and LawrenceG
[01:52:37] <les_w> sorry phone.
[01:52:46] <Jymmm> np, brb coffee
[01:52:58] <les_w> it ought to be thin...kind of like a whitewash. semi transparent
[01:53:03] <les_w> that looks good
[01:53:16] <les_w> kind of a driftwood effect
[01:53:44] <les_w> I even wipe it with a rag to get THat effect
[01:58:58] <Jymmm> hmmm... thin, like milk?
[01:59:10] <les_w> almost yeah
[01:59:31] <les_w> on mine you can see wood grain through it when it's dry
[01:59:50] <les_w> but it looks great
[02:00:10] <les_w> the contrast is more than you might think after the sign is cut
[02:00:26] <les_w> with a thick coat it looks like plastic
[02:00:44] <les_w> play around with it and you will see
[02:00:51] <Jymmm> the sign is already v-carved, filling it in now
[02:00:56] <les_w> k
[02:01:26] <les_w> so I slather on white wall paint thinned...
[02:01:36] <les_w> then wipe it with a dry rag
[02:01:46] <les_w> "driftwood" effect
[02:02:00] <Jymmm> yeah, ok. I get the idea now.
[02:02:05] <les_w> people seem to really likr it...
[02:02:40] <Jymmm> Well I PU, then carved, so not sure how good it'll take.
[02:02:57] <les_w> just have to experiment
[02:03:08] <Jymmm> yeah =)
[02:03:08] <les_w> if people like it...it's good!
[02:03:42] <les_w> things people like can cost very little...
[02:03:53] <Jymmm> so with your driftwood effect, you apply the paint, then carve?
[02:04:12] <les_w> slather, wipe, carve, PU
[02:04:18] <Jymmm> I'm just trying to contrast some very dark wood is all.
[02:04:53] <les_w> all the signs on my page are done that way
[02:04:59] <les_w> contrast is enough
[02:05:17] <les_w> too much contrast looks cheap or plastic
[02:05:25] <les_w> make it look old and faded
[02:05:27] <les_w> it sells
[02:05:51] <Jymmm> this almost looks like a redish dk walnut
[02:06:17] <Jymmm> I have the 2nd darkest stain, but wont' contrast at all
[02:06:23] <les_w> well walnut is our standard wood sign material
[02:06:38] <les_w> it's cheap
[02:07:15] <les_w> just a very thin wipe off off white latex gives great contrast...and a faded old look
[02:08:07] <les_w> make stuff look old and crafty...not new and computery
[02:09:40] <Jymmm> alright, let me try it out right now...
[02:10:11] <les_w> k
[02:31:15] <Jymmm> ok,
[02:31:40] <Jymmm> 1st try == that plastic look you talked about. Rinsed off.
[02:32:13] <Jymmm> 2nd try == a light cream thickness. has that aged appearance now.
[02:32:23] <Jymmm> will see how that turns out once dry.
[02:47:29] <Jymmm> well, that turned out poopy =)
[04:10:15] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
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[08:46:20] <alex_joni> morning all
[08:49:42] <fenn> mornin
[09:02:49] <SWP_Away> night
[09:03:08] <fenn> half empty or half full?
[09:03:24] <SWP_Away> it's winter, so we're less than half full
[09:03:37] <SWP_Away> or, more full of night
[09:03:55] <SWP_Away> nonetheless, it's bedtime. good night ;)
[09:04:07] <ValarQ> morning folks
[09:04:21] <fenn> looks like we have a majority :)
[09:04:36] <SWP_Away> well, technically it is morning
[09:04:43] <SWP_Away> 4AM - time for bed
[09:36:10] <alex_joni> hi ValarQ, long time no see
[09:36:38] <alex_joni> think you could add a GPL note to the HAL-gui ?
[09:45:27] <ValarQ> alex_joni: oh, i might
[09:46:39] <ValarQ> alex_joni: should i add some note to every .py file?
[10:01:24] <cncuser> good morning folks
[10:01:38] <CIA-8> 03valarq * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halgui/ (9 files): Added GPL header to halgui sources
[10:01:47] <ValarQ> mornin
[10:02:01] <cncuser> morining valarq
[10:07:38] <alex_joni> ValarQ: thank you very much
[10:09:32] <cncuser> mornign alex
[10:10:42] <cncuser> alex_joni: id like to contribute to the translation of emc2, ive seen that the new config chooser hasnt been done. where can i do this ?
[10:11:30] <ValarQ> can you run emc without X?
[10:12:24] <cncuser> valarq: i havent tried yet
[10:12:32] <cncuser> valarq: but i can, one moment
[10:13:09] <ValarQ> "Your message to Emc-commit awaits moderator approval" ?
[10:13:41] <cncuser> i mus choose usrmot as DISPLAY right ?
[10:14:13] <ValarQ> usrmot?
[10:14:45] <cncuser> Valarq: i thought you asked if i can run emc without X
[10:15:19] <ValarQ> well, i want to do it myself eventually :)
[10:15:43] <ValarQ> i just wondered if there was any curses or raw cli interface
[10:15:59] <cncuser> Valarq: it started up. havent tried if it works
[10:16:03] <cncuser> no
[10:16:06] <cncuser> stop
[10:16:10] <cncuser> the popup :)
[10:16:26] <cncuser> the popup wants to get viewed and throws an error
[10:16:43] <cncuser> the popup shouldnt break the start
[10:17:03] <ValarQ> ok
[10:19:13] <cncuser> $EMC2_TCL_DIR/bin/popimage $EMC2_IMAGEDIR/$img $imgtime &
[10:19:16] <cncuser> hmmm
[10:19:21] <cncuser> should break...but does
[10:20:03] <cncuser> ++ /usr/src/emc2/tcl/bin/setupconfig.tcl --get-config configs/stepper/stepper_inch.ini
[10:20:03] <cncuser> Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server
[10:20:03] <cncuser> Xlib: No protocol specified
[10:20:43] <cncuser> even when giving the inifile on commandline the setupconfig.tl gets into action. sorry for the missinformation. this is the one that throws the error
[10:20:54] <cncuser> Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0"
[10:20:54] <cncuser> Error in startup script: invalid command name "option"
[10:20:54] <cncuser> while executing
[10:20:54] <cncuser> "option add *$class.borderWidth 1 100"
[10:23:38] <cncuser> whats that notice about ? : *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
[10:25:18] <alex_joni> the couldn't connect to display I've seen before
[10:25:31] <alex_joni> it usually appears when running su, and then running emc
[10:25:44] <alex_joni> so the root account is not the one that started X
[10:26:04] <alex_joni> the other error sounds like tcl.. not sure
[10:27:17] <cncuser> alex_joni: the first error is clear, im the one who disallowed the access because of request by valarq ;) the other error is the result of this action. which answers his question if it runs without X. it doesnt.
[10:27:40] <cncuser> alex_joni: what im curious about is: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
[10:27:52] <cncuser> is that bad ? should i check for another glibc version ?
[10:30:45] <cncuser> id let setupconfig.tcl throw a message to stdout if it cant connect to X and let the starting of emc continue. if theres another DISPLAY then usmot configured it will throw errors, else it should put you on the emcprompt
[10:32:26] <cncuser> what do i use to convert eps to gcode ? :)
[10:33:11] <cncuser> found the other way :)
[10:33:18] <cncuser> gcode-eps
[10:34:57] <cncuser> if i could get eps into hpgl..hmmm
[10:37:52] <alex_joni> I hgave no idea what that is..
[10:38:00] <alex_joni> the *** glibc detected ***
[10:38:00] <alex_joni> double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080785d0 ***
[10:38:46] <alex_joni> I'm away for a while
[10:39:05] <cncuser> thanks
[10:44:06] <cncuser> hmm, looks like a job for valgrind :)
[10:44:20] <cncuser> never done anything with it anyone using it ?
[10:48:36] <ValarQ> cncuser: i have
[10:48:57] <ValarQ> cncuser: but only for checking _if_ there is a problem
[10:49:34] <ValarQ> (thought the blocksize can be a hint sometimes)
[11:03:58] <cncuser> Valarq: can you reproduce the output with no X and starting emc2 ?
[11:04:59] <cncuser> a sorry
[11:05:01] <cncuser> no
[11:05:14] <cncuser> the error is visable when i start axis
[11:05:19] <cncuser> hmm, maybe php
[11:05:32] <cncuser> + '[' '!' -x /usr/src/emc2/bin/axis ']'
[11:05:32] <cncuser> + /usr/src/emc2/bin/axis -ini /usr/src/emc2/configs/stepper/stepper_mm.ini
[11:05:32] <cncuser> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080786a0 ***
[11:05:32] <cncuser> new open_directory /root
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[19:28:55] <fenn> this looks verrrry interesting... http://mca2.sourceforge.net/html/introduction.html
[19:35:10] <rayh> no project.
[19:38:51] <fenn> uh, try again?
[19:39:03] <fenn> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mca2/
[19:39:53] <rayh> wierd it rejected my first effort
[19:46:55] <fenn> mca2 seems to be abandoned
[19:49:31] <rayh> I thought it said 98% activity last week.
[19:50:01] <rayh> * rayh goes off to look again.
[19:50:02] <SWP_Away> is that "higher than 98%", or "98% are more active"
[19:50:58] <fenn> probably higher than 98.. guess thats kinda sad huh
[19:51:05] <SWP_Away> ok - I guess it's the percentile
[19:51:12] <SWP_Away> (looked at the top projects page)
[19:51:32] <SWP_Away> sourceforge is much like the emc project
[19:51:38] <SWP_Away> lots of projects, mostly dead
[19:51:49] <SWP_Away> (emc has lots of developers, mostly inactive)
[19:51:49] <rayh> emc Activity Percentile (last week) : 99.37
[19:52:35] <SWP_Away> the top 150 projects are all in the 99.900+ percentile
[19:52:38] <rayh> I know quite a few who test from cvs regularly but don't commit much.
[19:53:06] <SWP_Away> true, but that doesn't need developer access for the most part
[19:53:59] <SWP_Away> wow - there are 110,199 (!) projects on sf now
[19:54:31] <rayh> puts you a day behind.
[19:55:06] <SWP_Away> yep
[19:58:00] <fenn> woops looks like i spoke too soon, they released version 4.0 on jan. 5th
[19:58:51] <SWP_Away> I noticed that
[19:59:01] <SWP_Away> no activity since 2001 or something, now this :)
[20:01:55] <Jacky^> hi
[20:05:57] <rayh> darn hate to have to register for an open source project.
[20:06:41] <fenn> hmm?
[21:14:17] <Jacky^> rayh: hehe
[21:14:43] <Jacky^> cool, register for an open source project ?
[21:14:58] <Jacky^> nice news
[21:15:26] <Jacky^> its not a surprise for me
[21:16:06] <Jacky^> after I read today , china government censured wikipedia in china
[21:17:08] <Jacky^> im courious to see how much a long they can stop the progress
[21:18:10] <Jacky^> thats is the Real Progress .. not the bridge Berlusconi Minister want to build between Sicily island - Italy ..
[21:19:01] <Jacky^> to take advantage from Mafia ..
[21:19:03] <Jacky^> bah
[22:28:35] <k4ts> hello
[22:28:51] <k4ts> hi Jymmm
[22:29:08] <k4ts> hi alex
[22:32:25] <Jymmm> hi k4ts
[22:34:17] <k4ts> looking for a dog to buy
[22:34:34] <Jymmm> k4ts buy Jacky^, hes a dawg
[22:35:03] <k4ts> ih
[22:35:05] <k4ts> ih
[22:35:46] <k4ts> he's not for sale
[22:35:58] <Jymmm> sure he is, ask him =)
[22:36:05] <Jacky^> O_O
[22:36:08] <Jacky^> hey
[22:36:10] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:39:13] <fenn> jacky i think you would like this: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/
[22:39:19] <fenn> if you havent seen it already
[22:42:17] <Jacky^> hi fenn
[22:42:20] <Jacky^> looking
[22:43:19] <Jacky^> nice :)
[22:43:31] <Jacky^> bookmarked ;)
[22:43:52] <fenn> wish i could find stuff like that in a dumpster
[22:44:40] <fenn> or at least being able to buy one would be nice
[22:48:03] <Jacky^> I already have the 400 mhz arm handheld pc running Linux you seen in the right bottom of this photo: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/photo/686052
[22:48:21] <Jacky^> but I have not so much time to play with it :(
[22:48:50] <Jacky^> anyway, I like embedded systems :)
[22:52:33] <Jacky^> I suppose LART should be nice for Robots uses
[22:53:13] <fenn> yes a PDA seems kinda hard to interface to robotics
[22:53:53] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[22:53:55] <fenn> but what do i know
[22:54:23] <Jacky^> Im using the laptop in the left side of same photos
[22:54:47] <Jacky^> CPU via 1 ghz 10 " lcd 512 ram
[22:55:05] <Jacky^> for this I found a very nice robot project
[22:55:14] <fenn> you're wasting that on a robot?!
[22:55:28] <fenn> get a 486 :{
[22:55:42] <fenn> ah my moustache always shows up when i'm pinching pennies :)
[22:55:53] <Jacky^> searching the url ..
[23:08:11] <bill-xm> * bill-xm looks at mills.
[23:08:49] <Jacky^> damn it, cant find it :(
[23:09:37] <Jacky^> Ive the url in the pc desktop at my home ..
[23:10:14] <alex_joni> hi all
[23:10:38] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[23:11:12] <alex_joni> what
[23:11:17] <alex_joni> what's up?
[23:11:36] <Jacky^> I was looking for a robot using Linux, Mainboard via cpu 1 ghz
[23:11:42] <Jacky^> losted the url ..
[23:25:53] <k4ts> night
[23:46:27] <Jacky^> G night
[23:50:34] <Jymmm> Hi Les
[23:50:39] <les_w> hi jymmm
[23:50:59] <les_w> well dropped the red oak behind the machine shop
[23:51:04] <les_w> 4 foot diameter
[23:51:09] <les_w> 105 years old
[23:51:15] <Jymmm> oh man
[23:51:28] <les_w> the butt log has 2500 board feet of lumber.
[23:51:32] <Jymmm> I'd have a hard time dropping a 100+ year old tree
[23:51:39] <les_w> it was dying
[23:51:46] <Jymmm> ah
[23:52:04] <Jymmm> well, quit pouring arsonic on it
[23:52:19] <les_w> enough red oak to do a whole house of flooring
[23:52:36] <Jymmm> lol
[23:52:45] <les_w> we'll cut a slab and hang it on the shop wall
[23:52:56] <les_w> good tree ring history of weather etc
[23:53:14] <Jymmm> toss it on the cnc, making each century
[23:53:19] <les_w> then the stump grinder comes in...
[23:53:19] <Jymmm> marking
[23:53:38] <les_w> then prepare and pour fondation to enlarge the shop
[23:53:48] <Jymmm> FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:53:59] <les_w> new rooms for electrinics lab and some of the metalworking tools
[23:54:17] <Jymmm> so you finally decided to expand instead of rent/lease
[23:54:26] <les_w> yeah
[23:54:30] <les_w> up to a point
[23:54:51] <Jymmm> sq ft ?
[23:54:55] <les_w> I am not going beyond 2,000 square feet
[23:55:15] <les_w> after that you have to ask yourself if you want to live at a factory
[23:55:52] <Jymmm> ok, IF you lay concrete for lets say 4000 sq ft, doens't mean you have to build on it
[23:55:58] <les_w> 2000 is plenty big for a small machine shop anyway
[23:56:13] <Jymmm> does tractor have a home?
[23:56:18] <Jymmm> indoors?
[23:56:24] <les_w> yeah ina barn
[23:56:37] <les_w> all 3
[23:56:43] <Jymmm> you could use the extra for a rental
[23:56:55] <Jymmm> or even storage
[23:57:05] <les_w> I could...
[23:57:26] <Jymmm> or even a staging area
[23:57:33] <les_w> but I won't
[23:57:39] <SWP_Away> junk^Hmemorabilia storage
[23:57:53] <les_w> I don't need landlord stuff displacing engineering work right?
[23:58:15] <Jymmm> les_w what about 19yo nympho tennant?
[23:58:15] <SWP_Away> hmmm - $12/sf rent * 2000 sf = $24k/yr
[23:58:34] <SWP_Away> $100/hour for NYMPHO TENANT!
[23:58:34] <Jymmm> les_w teeth included
[23:58:35] <les_w> a tenth of what the engineering business earns...
[23:58:46] <SWP_Away> yeah - rent is much better
[23:58:53] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[23:59:20] <les_w> SWP consulting pays a lot better than landlord stuff I think
[23:59:40] <SWPadnos> yeah, but a 19-yo nympho tenant ...
[23:59:46] <les_w> heh
[23:59:52] <Jymmm> ...with teeth