#emc | Logs for 2006-01-10

[00:09:34] <Jacky^> hahaha
[00:09:46] <Jacky^> finally a good new http://www.microsoftkid.com/
[00:11:02] <Jacky^> this guy has maded his first website at 3 years old
[00:11:47] <Jacky^> gates sayd I want to know him, weve mani common things
[00:12:03] <Jacky^> LOL
[00:13:57] <Jacky^> i want to ask to that guy if he really has never steal to Xerox/HP/Apple
[00:14:02] <Jacky^> :D
[00:22:34] <jepler> http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/01136852163
[00:23:56] <jepler> (axis 1.1.1rc1)
[00:25:13] <Jacky^> jepler: nice :)
[00:26:14] <jepler> thanks
[00:31:11] <jepler> oops, there's a serious problem with 1.1.1rc1.
[00:31:41] <Jacky^> uh ?
[00:32:03] <jepler> I made a change without testing it
[00:32:13] <Jacky^> heheh
[00:32:14] <jepler> and I always make mistakes
[00:32:21] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:32:31] <jepler> "this is clearly right, I just copied it from another file" (and left out some critical punctuation)
[00:32:53] <Jacky^> you no need to make test user exist for this :P
[00:33:46] <Jacky^> If you find a bug youre before the users youre really good
[00:34:23] <Jacky^> If you find a bug before the users then youre really good *
[00:34:46] <Jacky^> :D
[00:38:37] <jepler> OK, now it's 1.1.1rc2 ..
[00:38:39] <jepler> maybe it's even usable
[00:39:24] <Jacky^> :-)
[00:44:22] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[01:42:03] <djb_rh> so where do I find the latest BDI?
[01:42:11] <djb_rh> last time I tried I got something not the latest
[01:58:33] <jtr> djb_rh: try http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/ - there's a link for BDI 4.38
[04:09:39] <cradek> it's not going well for petev
[04:12:26] <SWP_Away> or petev_
[04:19:14] <petev> testing some new irc clients
[04:19:26] <petev> think this one (virc) is ok
[04:19:27] <cradek> ah
[04:19:47] <petev> now I don't have to have the linux box up to monitor irc
[04:36:45] <SWP_Away> have you not tried chatzilla (part of mozilla, or an add-on for firefox)?
[04:37:02] <petev> no, I'm still using explorer
[04:37:15] <SWP_Away> ok
[04:37:26] <SWP_Away> chatzilla is pretty good
[04:37:30] <petev> I had mirc and the gaim plugin
[04:37:37] <SWP_Away> and it's the same on windows or Linux (as far as possible)
[04:37:46] <petev> but for some reason the freenode server wont allow them
[04:38:13] <SWP_Away> odd - were you trying to connect to irc.freenode.net or chat.freenode.net
[04:38:26] <petev> to icr.freenode.net
[04:38:36] <petev> it gave some error message about the version of client
[04:38:48] <SWP_Away> they disabled irc.freenode net due to some spambots, so you should use chat.freenode net instead
[04:38:57] <petev> the gaim plugin would be my first choice as I have it running most of the time for other stuff
[04:39:21] <petev> hmm, I'm on irc.freenode.net now
[04:39:54] <SWP_Away> strange
[04:40:21] <SWP_Away> they had some messages about it a few weeks ago, maybe their new filtering is good enough that they can have it on
[04:40:43] <SWP_Away> ie, re-enable irc.freenode.net
[04:40:58] <petev> do u run cygwin on your doze box?
[04:41:13] <SWP_Away> sometimes
[04:41:35] <petev> I just upgraded to the latest and fixed a bunch of bugs to get some cross compiler stuff going
[04:41:46] <petev> however, my DISPLAY variable isn't set now
[04:41:57] <petev> I never used to set it in .bashrc
[04:42:01] <SWP_Away> did you upgrade cygwin-X?
[04:42:18] <petev> but I can't find anyplace in the cygwin stuff that it should go/ or was
[04:42:25] <petev> yes, complete re-install
[04:42:34] <petev> had plenty of problems
[04:42:49] <petev> none of the postinstall stuff worked well and there were clear bugs
[04:42:51] <SWP_Away> ok. I know on my machine that Cygwin (bash) and Cygwin (X) were different installs
[04:43:10] <petev> hmm, I use the cygwin setup.exe
[04:43:16] <petev> it's kinda like apt-get
[04:43:20] <SWP_Away> do you get the X icon in your systray?
[04:43:31] <petev> you select packages for install/remove, etc.
[04:43:38] <SWP_Away> yes - I've used it
[04:43:43] <petev> yes, the server is running fine
[04:44:04] <petev> I can get a window to if I manually set DISPLAY then run xhost +
[04:45:20] <SWP_Away> I note that there's no DISPLAY variable set if I run a "normal" cygwin terminal, even with X running
[04:45:30] <SWP_Away> DISPLAY is set in the xterm though
[04:45:35] <petev> really
[04:46:01] <SWP_Away> and I can't manually run an xterm from the standard shell (no DISPLAY)
[04:46:12] <petev> I guess I can just stick it in .bashrc and be done with it
[04:46:39] <SWP_Away> do you get an xterm when you run X?
[04:46:54] <petev> yes
[04:47:08] <petev> which I promptly close
[04:47:09] <SWP_Away> and DISPLAY isn't set there?
[04:47:21] <petev> I'm going to take it out of the startup file
[04:47:22] <SWP_Away> ok - you should run another terminal from there if you want DISPLAY to be set
[04:47:41] <petev> yeah, but the xterm is launched on my local machine
[04:47:53] <petev> I usually launch one on the linux box
[04:48:01] <petev> that's the whole reason for using X
[04:48:34] <SWP_Away> sure, but you need an ssh session that has "access" to cygwin-X
[04:48:50] <SWP_Away> so just run that from the xterm
[04:48:53] <petev> I make an icon on my desk that does something like
[04:49:24] <petev> ssh xterm -display
[04:49:48] <petev> then the ssh just launches an xterm and I'm good to go
[04:50:22] <SWP_Away> right, assuming that the local Cygwin apps know anything about X ;)
[04:50:49] <petev> no, all that needs to be running is the cygwin X server
[04:51:02] <petev> the xterm command is run on the linux box via ssh
[04:51:16] <petev> I don't really use any of the local X apps
[04:51:43] <SWP_Away> ah - right
[04:52:07] <SWP_Away> you'd need xhost + anyway
[04:52:27] <petev> yeah, I'm lazy, I put xhost + in the X startup
[04:52:46] <SWP_Away> that does make it easier
[04:53:17] <petev> at one point I had reserved IP addrs for all my machines
[04:53:38] <petev> but one by one they got upgraded and I couldn't be bothered to put the new MAC addrs in the DHCP
[04:53:50] <petev> so now I don't always get the same IP
[04:57:43] <SWP_Away> oh yeah, I almost forgot (not sure if I mentioned it already)
[04:57:51] <SWP_Away> Embedded systems conference is in San Jose this year
[04:58:07] <SWP_Away> April 3-8 or some such
[07:47:52] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[07:48:11] <Jacky^> morning
[10:39:46] <cncuser> good morning folks
[10:43:49] <alex_joni> morning
[10:44:48] <cncuser> hi alex_joni
[10:47:01] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[10:47:29] <cncuser> hi fenn
[10:47:36] <fenn> g'day
[10:47:42] <alex_joni> go to bed fenn ;)
[10:47:47] <alex_joni> what time is it over there?
[10:47:59] <fenn> i'm an honorary member of australia
[10:48:28] <fenn> this arvo i'm hacking an ai
[10:49:00] <fenn> this whole joining strings in python is bunk
[10:51:25] <alex_joni> australia?
[10:51:47] <cncuser> welcome to the glorious planet of australia
[10:52:01] <alex_joni> huh.. thought you were in the US..
[10:52:10] <fenn> i am in the us
[10:52:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is lost completely..
[10:52:45] <fenn> i might as well be in australia since i wake up at 11pm indiana time
[10:53:03] <cncuser> maybe for some us cititzens australia=austria=somewhere behind kentucky ;)
[10:53:53] <fenn> heh didn't mean to imply that austria was australia
[10:54:03] <fenn> i'm talking to a bunch of australians on another channel
[10:55:53] <cncuser> fenn: i know ;) its just something ive stepped over some times when beeing asked where im from ;) no no kangaroos in austria ;)
[10:56:24] <cncuser> just woke up, my funnyengine isnt fully started
[11:00:02] <cncuser> damit, messed ub unionfs again :( lucky me its just a qemu session
[11:01:00] <cncuser> i keep on putting unionfs in a state where its not usable at all...the only thing i can do then is reboot :(
[11:08:07] <alex_joni> well.. reboot :P
[11:09:14] <cncuser> alex_joni: allready done ;) lucky me its just a qemu session. but when it happens on the hostmachine i dont have any clou how to fix it. theres some messed up mounts that cant be unmounted... at least i havent figured out how
[11:10:07] <cncuser> btw. i just finished the develhowto (redid all steps and fixed the bugs) also i made up a bbunch of stupid bashscripts for brainless reproduction :)
[11:10:34] <cncuser> im begging for a account on one of cooltools servers to put it online :)
[11:11:08] <cncuser> alex_joni: do you want to host that too ?
[11:11:42] <cncuser> lets see how well abiword converts its native format into html :)
[11:15:17] <cncuser> uhh, looks crappy :(
[11:21:05] <alex_joni> cncuser: I can host it..
[11:21:59] <cncuser> alex_joni: cool, i put togther a tarball..mom
[11:22:28] <alex_joni> dcc it over when finished
[11:23:04] <cncuser> hmm, that would not be possible i think... ive a rather locked down firewall and am to lazy to change the ruleset ;)
[11:23:12] <cncuser> i put it online on my server
[11:23:20] <alex_joni> ok, good too
[12:35:56] <anonimasu> hello
[12:36:09] <anonimasu> alex_joni: there?
[12:40:13] <alex_joni> hello
[12:42:21] <cncuser> http://cooltool.he.fdread.org/cncforum/mastering/mastering.html
[12:43:01] <cncuser> if anyone is bored and has ~gb free diskspace. should take 2 hours on a descent pc :)
[12:43:18] <cncuser> ~2gb
[12:44:13] <alex_joni> nice
[12:44:19] <cncuser> :
[12:44:21] <cncuser> :)
[12:44:29] <alex_joni> want me to mirror that?
[12:44:38] <cncuser> alex_joni: would be cool
[12:44:43] <alex_joni> ok, hand on..
[12:44:49] <alex_joni> I think this would be best on the wiki
[12:45:06] <cncuser> alex_joni: yes i think too. i tried once, but had no write access
[12:45:33] <alex_joni> ok, let me do that..
[12:45:40] <cncuser> you da man :))
[12:45:56] <alex_joni> may I mention your name? :P
[12:46:02] <cncuser> shure, cncuser ;)
[12:47:08] <cncuser> alex_joni: id prefer cncuser :) for i get the creeps if i google for my names and emailadresses and get hunderds of hits representing my interests during the last 6 years.
[12:48:35] <cncuser> alex_joni: i worked for a marketingcompany once. i know datamining :(
[12:52:35] <cncuser> hmm
[12:53:03] <cncuser> im thinking if i should start doing the livecdsmasteringstuff right away or if i should make a break
[12:53:39] <alex_joni> livecdsmasteringstuff?
[12:54:29] <cncuser> alex_joni: yes, to make the install (described in the howto) into packages and filesystemimages. compress them. remove unneeded stuf... to put it into a ~50mb iso and run it with 128mb ram :)
[12:54:41] <cncuser> thats the goal
[12:54:49] <cncuser> i think im 80% there
[12:55:15] <cncuser> removing the python stuff will be the hardest.
[12:55:38] <cncuser> i plan another 6 hours on python
[12:55:59] <cncuser> the rest is peanuts :)
[12:56:13] <cncuser> building a puppy iso is easy as easy can be
[12:59:01] <cncuser> if all works out as expected, it should be a selfrunner, some bugfixes, with a wickihowto thats no problem :) a guy at cooltool is catching up on linux and emc and is going to make future usersupport via forum and email.
[12:59:58] <cncuser> btw peanuts
[13:00:05] <alex_joni> nice
[13:00:50] <alex_joni> btw, to add stuff to wiki.linuxcnc.org read http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BasicSteps
[13:01:30] <cncuser> ic
[13:01:40] <cncuser> ok, be back in 30minutes
[15:30:39] <cncuser> back
[15:42:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni too ;)
[15:42:27] <alex_joni> just installed a 4.38
[15:44:25] <alex_joni> darn..
[15:44:40] <alex_joni> something is wrong here.. can't send Alt+foo over ssh
[15:48:23] <cradek> using xterm?
[15:48:33] <alex_joni> I think so..
[15:48:37] <alex_joni> it's started by xfce
[15:49:17] <alex_joni> yes, it's xterm
[15:49:42] <cradek> XTerm*metaSendsEscape:true
[15:49:56] <cradek> try setting this X resource
[15:50:03] <cradek> and restart xterm
[15:50:39] <alex_joni> think it's xfterm4, from looking at the icon link (but xterm appears in ps aux)
[15:50:50] <alex_joni> how do I set that?
[15:51:06] <cradek> put it in a file ~/.Xresources
[15:51:13] <cradek> xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
[15:51:24] <cradek> then arrange for that to happen when you start X
[15:51:49] <cradek> (I know nothing about xfce, klogin, etc)
[15:53:02] <alex_joni> yay, it works now :)
[15:53:05] <alex_joni> thanks a lot
[15:53:12] <cradek> welcome
[15:53:24] <alex_joni> still looking how to get a list of installed packages ;)
[15:53:45] <cradek> I think there's a list in the bdi4 wiki
[15:53:51] <alex_joni> aptitude works ok..
[15:53:59] <alex_joni> no I selected a minimal subset of those
[15:54:08] <cradek> did you see paul's message about building emc2 on bdi4.38?
[15:55:02] <alex_joni> yes
[16:38:17] <cncuser> hmm
[16:39:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away for a while..
[16:40:04] <cncuser> alex_joni: bye, i changed the txt version <PRE> and </PRE>
[16:44:11] <cncuser> hmm where is that magical preferences link where one could login into the wiki ?
[16:44:21] <cncuser> ah got it
[16:46:12] <cncuser> how do i login ?
[16:46:17] <cncuser> hmm
[16:53:52] <cncuser> whats the trick with login in ?
[16:54:51] <cncuser> ok, ill ask alex
[16:58:02] <SWP_Away> you need the magic password
[16:58:09] <cncuser> i know the magic password
[16:58:14] <cncuser> i dont see any way to login
[16:58:18] <cncuser> i registered a user
[16:58:20] <cncuser> all ok
[16:58:22] <SWP_Away> preferences
[16:58:26] <cncuser> where ?????
[16:58:34] <cncuser> UserName Cncuser saved.
[16:58:34] <cncuser> Password changed.
[16:58:34] <cncuser> Administrator password changed.
[16:58:35] <cncuser> User has editor abilities.
[16:58:35] <cncuser> Server time: January 10, 2006 8:57 am
[16:58:35] <cncuser> Local time: January 10, 2006 8:57 am
[16:58:37] <cncuser> Preferences saved.
[16:58:39] <SWP_Away> should be on any wiki page
[16:58:47] <cncuser> where ?
[16:58:50] <cncuser> i use lynx
[16:58:58] <SWP_Away> ok, now re-navigate to the page you want to change
[16:59:02] <cncuser> a i use firefox, but i try lynx
[16:59:07] <cncuser> for i dont trust firefox
[16:59:14] <SWP_Away> hmmm - can you use windowed, scrollable text edit boxes with lynx?
[16:59:48] <cncuser> damn, internal server errors
[16:59:48] <SWP_Away> you have to re-load the page (if lynx caches), because the edit link won't be there in the cached version
[16:59:52] <cncuser> sf is fucking up
[17:01:03] <cncuser> ok
[17:01:07] <cncuser> had to close firefox
[17:01:12] <cncuser> all instances ;)
[17:01:13] <SWP_Away> ok, cvs errors
[17:01:35] <cncuser> some mirrored cvs would be nice, for checkouts
[17:01:55] <cncuser> sf is fucking up 70% the time i try to access their cvs
[17:02:16] <SWP_Away> anonymous or logged in?
[17:02:22] <cncuser> anonymous
[17:02:51] <SWP_Away> maybe you should register on sf - the developer cvs access uses different servers, and the updates are faster
[17:03:04] <SWP_Away> (ie, changes are immediate, not delayed like with anonymous access)
[17:03:17] <cncuser> 2 days ago for example there was a cant write to /tmp/.... error coming from the server :)
[17:03:59] <cncuser> yeah, thats what the goal is obviously, get rid of anonymous users :(
[17:04:13] <SWP_Away> heh - I don't think so, but could be :)
[17:07:09] <skunkworks> It has been getting worse for me also over the last month
[17:07:46] <skunkworks> have to try 10 times before it connects
[17:08:03] <skunkworks> or so ;)
[17:08:21] <cncuser> skunkworks: yes the same her :)
[17:08:56] <SWP_Away> well, developer access has been fine ... :)
[17:09:35] <skunkworks> nice ;)
[17:09:42] <jepler> that's one reason I insist on running my own CVS for AXIS
[17:09:52] <jepler> (of course, I don't allow any anonymous users..)
[17:10:04] <jepler> (but it's great for me, very reliable)
[17:10:09] <cncuser> jepler: want to mirror emc ? :)
[17:11:09] <jepler> not really
[17:11:13] <cncuser> :
[17:11:38] <cncuser> hmm, maybe theres a way to get a virtualhost for such thing
[17:11:42] <cncuser> ill ask
[17:13:26] <skunkworks> If I am set up as a user on source forge - could I log in as that user?
[17:13:42] <cradek> I think you would have to be registered as an emc developer
[17:13:47] <skunkworks> darn
[17:14:46] <cncuser> 4. Error type: 500
[17:14:46] <cncuser> 5. Request method: GET
[17:14:46] <cncuser> 6. Request query string: action=edit&id
[17:14:47] <cncuser> ...
[17:14:49] <cncuser> damit
[17:14:53] <cradek> hit refresh a dozen times
[17:14:59] <cncuser> i did :(
[17:15:06] <cradek> try another dozen
[17:15:06] <cncuser> but now even that doesnt help anymore
[17:15:08] <cncuser> haha
[17:15:08] <cradek> oh
[17:15:11] <cncuser> brute force
[17:15:21] <cncuser> seems the server allready is on his knees ;)
[17:15:34] <cradek> yeah it's probably all those people hitting refresh a dozen times
[17:15:39] <cncuser> harhar ;)
[17:15:47] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:26:26] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. For reference, MacWorld coverage: #apple-x in English, #macbidouille en Francais
[18:26:59] <cncuser> mac spam
[18:27:46] <Jymmm> heh now... I like Hormel Spam (tm), dont be dissin it by micing in McDonalds
[18:27:52] <Jymmm> mixing
[18:28:05] <Jymmm> (yes, I saw the wallops)
[18:28:36] <cncuser> spam brrr
[18:29:05] <cncuser> isnt spam the things muncht up that are not allowed to be put in dogfood ?
[18:29:33] <cncuser> i dont trust beeflikestuff in a can :)
[18:29:43] <Jymmm> It's Spice Ham
[18:30:01] <Jymmm> SPiced hAM == Spam
[18:30:10] <bill-xm> Shredded Pigs And More
[18:30:15] <cncuser> yes
[18:30:26] <Jymmm> and as long as the seal isn't broken, it's shelflife is forever
[18:30:36] <Jymmm> good stuff
[18:30:38] <cncuser> i get meat at the lokal slaufghtery
[18:30:46] <cncuser> or at the meat market
[18:31:38] <cncuser> Jymmm: things that last forever cant have any good stuff in it ;)
[18:31:55] <cncuser> well, enough meal facism
[18:31:57] <cncuser> :)
[18:31:58] <Jymmm> cncuser Most things, no. Spam being the exception.
[18:32:17] <cncuser> jymm: haha, whatever ;)
[18:32:48] <cncuser> fresh food is good. rhyms == good, pumuckl
[18:33:49] <Jymmm> Is it a 18oz steak with grilled onions and mushrooms, no. But for what it is, it's good stuff!
[18:34:47] <cncuser> well junkfood != bad tasting food ;)
[18:35:40] <Jymmm> I wouldn't consider spam as junk food, more along the lines of a can of refried beans or spaghetti sauce. Just processed is all.
[18:38:53] <cncuser> ;)
[18:39:00] <cncuser> cu lator, im off for a beer
[18:39:08] <Jymmm> have one for me too
[18:47:23] <skunkworks> spam spam spam spam spam - ham bacon and spam - eggs bacon and spam spam.
[18:51:55] <lilo> [Global Notice] At the same time Macworld Expo started, FSF announced the addition of Gnash, a flash player and firefox plugin ( http://tinyurl.com/a6mev ).... it's one of the FSF's priority projects ( http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html ) and a real FOSS milestone
[18:58:40] <lilo> [Global Notice] (sorry, I think we nailed that news site....here's the release on the Gnash flash player and firefox plugin: http://www.fsf.org/news/gnash.html )
[18:58:50] <lilo> [Global Notice] Thank you for using freenode, and have a great evening!
[19:58:01] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm
[19:58:48] <Jacky^> you there ?
[20:05:33] <Jacky^> solved :)
[20:07:37] <alex_joni> hello all
[20:07:52] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[20:12:15] <alex_joni> what's up?
[20:13:51] <Jacky^> replyng to some forum post
[20:18:53] <alex_joni> I'm off to try to get the 4.38 online ;)
[20:20:22] <Jacky^> have a fun :P
[20:56:28] <alex_joni> ok.. seems it's working ;)
[20:56:39] <alex_joni> as you can see :P
[20:58:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni likes xfce
[21:00:36] <alex_joni> ok.. I'm gone ;)
[21:00:41] <alex_joni> too much work :P
[21:11:50] <Jacky^> hehe :)
[21:15:34] <Jacky^> I was using evilwm, now im playng with Ion3 on the laptop, im entusiast
[21:15:50] <Jacky^> very intelligent positioning windows wm
[21:16:34] <Jacky^> I just had some difficult using Gimp, as you know open a lot of windows, layers, etc
[21:17:16] <Jacky^> where Ion use to take all free space on monitor
[21:19:19] <Jacky^> lokking at LILO suggest .. it seem Gnash plugin for firefox has been released ..
[21:19:23] <Jacky^> looking
[21:21:44] <Jacky^> It is the most advanced free flash player that currently exists, and an important addition to the GNU project
[21:21:48] <Jacky^> wow :P
[21:22:55] <Jacky^> anyone want a cool flash site ? http://www.mksite.com/
[21:23:01] <Jacky^> :D
[21:38:48] <anonimasu> hm
[21:38:49] <anonimasu> hey
[21:39:03] <Jacky^> hi anonimasu
[21:39:08] <anonimasu> what's up?
[21:39:34] <Jacky^> writing a letter to a friend :P
[21:39:40] <Jacky^> all ok here
[21:39:43] <Jacky^> :-)
[21:39:57] <anonimasu> nice
[21:40:35] <anonimasu> I dont really get why we should use a flash player clone
[21:40:46] <anonimasu> when the guys that writes the dev software provides one..
[21:41:33] <SWP_Away> which "guys that writes the dev software"?
[21:41:50] <Jacky^> I just got this msg: FSF announced
[21:41:50] <Jacky^> the addition of Gnash, a flash player and firefox
[21:41:50] <Jacky^> plugin ( http://tinyurl.com/a6mev ).... it's one of
[21:41:51] <anonimasu> macromedia..
[21:41:51] <Jacky^> the FSF's priority projects (
[21:42:33] <SWP_Away> macromedia has no 64-bit Linux flash player
[21:42:47] <SWP_Away> they have 64-bit mac and Windows, and 32-bit Linux
[21:42:56] <anonimasu> is it impossible to run the 32 bit player on a 64 bit linux?
[21:42:59] <SWP_Away> yes
[21:43:14] <SWP_Away> at least on my machine (it could be partly nvidia's fault)
[21:43:29] <SWP_Away> actually, that's not quite correct
[21:43:44] <SWP_Away> you can install 32-bit firefox, and then use the 32-bit player, if you're careful
[21:44:03] <SWP_Away> but that prevents you from using any 64-bit plugins (and of course, 64-bit firefox)
[21:44:17] <SWP_Away> you also end up with other issues, such as 32/64-bit library conflicts
[21:44:49] <SWP_Away> and you can't have both 32-bit and 64-bit firefox installed at the same time, I think
[21:45:10] <anonimasu> hm that seems strange
[21:45:29] <SWP_Away> yes, and also a good reason for a "free" player
[21:46:01] <SWP_Away> Linux64 has been around for a couple of years now, and there's no support. Win64 isn't quite here yet, and there's already support
[21:46:06] <SWP_Away> kinda annoying
[21:46:48] <anonimasu> I'd rather see a effort to make a good free toolkit for writing event driven programs
[21:47:02] <anonimasu> something standard..
[21:47:16] <jepler> SWP_Away: I run a 64-bit linux. It's just great. Nearly all Free software builds in 64-bit mode, and there's not much non-Free software I care about
[21:47:33] <anonimasu> SWP_Away: I think it's a waste of time..
[21:47:35] <anonimasu> :)
[21:49:24] <SWP_Away> I end up caring about flash only because half the web now seems to be flash-only (and even some of the info I want ;) )
[21:50:22] <SWP_Away> jepler, how about emc on 64-bit? any experience?
[21:50:43] <jepler> SWP_Away: nope.
[21:51:05] <SWP_Away> ok - that's one of the things on my "long list" - 64 bit / smp testing of emc
[21:51:47] <jepler> I won't be trying it, because my 64-bit machine is a server
[21:51:51] <jepler> maybe next time I replace my laptop...
[21:51:56] <SWP_Away> ah
[21:52:32] <SWP_Away> www.mtechlaptops.com
[21:52:42] <SWP_Away> D-900K
[22:15:21] <Jymmm> jepler what os on the 64bit box?
[22:17:15] <jepler> Jymmm: fedora core 4
[22:17:46] <Jymmm> jepler does it take advantage of the extras?
[22:18:37] <Jymmm> you have the adm dual core?
[22:18:47] <Jymmm> it only has 1mb l2 cache =(
[22:19:02] <Jacky^> Jymmm: !
[22:19:06] <Jacky^> ciao :)
[22:19:11] <Jymmm> hi
[22:19:16] <Jacky^> seen les ?
[22:20:02] <Jymmm> nope
[22:20:09] <Jacky^> ok
[22:20:26] <jepler> Jymmm: which extras? It is a 64-bit OS
[22:20:39] <jepler> it's not a dual-core processor, but I think it would work just fine if it was
[22:20:44] <Jymmm> dual core, actualyl usign 64bit all the time etc
[22:21:06] <jepler> I think that openoffice is the only major app not compiled as 64-bits
[22:21:21] <Jymmm> that really sucks.
[22:22:09] <cradek> jepler: is there a 64-bit vim?
[22:22:53] <SWP_Away> 64-bit nano :)
[22:23:28] <jepler> /usr/bin/vim: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped
[22:24:17] <cradek> I bet I use vim 1000 times for every time I use ooffice
[22:24:37] <jepler> I use ooffice as little as possible
[22:24:48] <jepler> and just rebuilding with a 64-bit processor is not going to make it, ummm, fast and sleek
[22:24:51] <Jacky^> latex
[22:25:12] <jepler> latex is 64-bit
[22:25:19] <Jacky^> nice
[22:25:37] <cradek> I think gcc is the only app I ever, ever sit waiting for
[22:25:52] <Jymmm> Why even bother with a battery at all? http://www.m-techlaptops.com/specifications/mtechd900k.htm
[22:26:30] <alex_joni> hi guys
[22:26:50] <cradek> haha 1hr when brand new
[22:26:55] <cradek> very funny
[22:26:58] <cradek> hi alex
[22:27:07] <alex_joni> hi chris..
[22:27:17] <alex_joni> seen my message to the dev list about RTLinux?
[22:27:22] <alex_joni> wonder if I'm correct..
[22:27:24] <cradek> yes
[22:27:30] <cradek> you're probably right
[22:27:35] <alex_joni> oh.. it was the user list..
[22:27:36] <cradek> I wonder how his system got messed up
[22:27:48] <jepler> valgrind, tightvnc, adobeviewer (non-Free), openoffice are the only 32-bit applications, but many 32-bit libs are included as dependencies
[22:27:51] <cradek> I haven't heard of that problem before
[22:27:52] <alex_joni> right, same here, don't think he did build another kernel
[22:28:15] <alex_joni> but I liked the way he stripped the stuff he included
[22:28:16] <cradek> I'm sure you could tell for sure by looking at that include file
[22:28:22] <alex_joni> kept only the necessary
[22:28:26] <cradek> yes that was a superb problem report
[22:28:31] <alex_joni> seems like he knows what he's doing
[22:28:35] <cradek> right
[22:28:43] <alex_joni> too bad I forgot to mention that ;)
[22:29:34] <alex_joni> I started to think about it, then I got all kinds of questions, but the answers where right there :)
[22:29:38] <cradek> from line 150 of my rtlinux-3.2 file:
[22:29:48] <cradek> #ifdef CONFIG_SMP
[22:29:48] <cradek> extern struct rtl_sched_cpu_struct rtl_sched [NR_CPUS];
[22:29:51] <cradek> ...
[22:30:09] <cradek> the struct is different but I bet $1 your analysis is right
[22:30:24] <alex_joni> well.. google is my best tool ;)
[22:30:41] <alex_joni> and the plugin to filter results I'm using ..
[22:36:40] <Jymmm> battery + LED.... is a 2n2222 good to use as a "switch" with a photoresistor?
[22:36:51] <Jymmm> or will in drain the battery alot ?
[22:39:37] <alex_joni> the 2n2222 probably will drain lots less then the led
[22:40:25] <Jymmm> alternative?
[22:40:50] <alex_joni> the 2n2222 is good enough
[22:41:06] <Jymmm> ok
[23:12:41] <alex_joni> night all
[23:13:40] <anonimasu> night
[23:13:44] <anonimasu> alex_joni: got a sec?
[23:18:52] <anonimasu> ah well
[23:18:53] <anonimasu> night
[23:23:05] <Jymmm> G'Night anonimasu
[23:25:47] <anonimasu> um I'm back..
[23:51:50] <Jymmm> lil warning next time
[23:56:44] <Jacky^> again ?
[23:56:53] <Jacky^> lilo ?