#emc | Logs for 2006-01-07

[00:01:09] <Jacky^> G night
[01:21:39] <Sed_> is anyone having trouble with cvs from sourceforge?
[01:22:16] <Sed_> can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv30154
[01:22:16] <jmkasunich> I just did a cvs up a few minutes ago and it worked
[01:22:16] <Sed_> No space left on device
[01:22:22] <jmkasunich> (developer checkout)
[01:22:25] <Sed_> I dont understand that error
[01:22:52] <jmkasunich> sounds like not enough space on (your local) disk
[01:23:08] <Sed_> nope.. got tons /tmp is empty
[01:23:22] <Sed_> unless cvs is trying to use somting else
[01:23:48] <Sed_> localhost:~# df -h
[01:23:48] <Sed_> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[01:23:52] <jmkasunich> it looks like its trying to create /tmp/cvs-serv30154, I can't imagine it using anything else
[01:24:02] <Sed_> /dev/hda2 72G 1.1G 67G 2% /
[01:24:06] <Sed_> all I have i /
[01:24:10] <Sed_> is
[01:24:43] <Sed_> did I install the right cvs?
[01:24:48] <Sed_> I didn apt-get install cvs
[01:25:01] <jmkasunich> what distro are you running? a BDI?
[01:25:08] <Sed_> yea 4.3
[01:26:00] <jmkasunich> brand new install?
[01:26:04] <Sed_> yea
[01:26:28] <jmkasunich> and you you are trying to get the latest EMC from CVS?
[01:26:35] <Sed_> yes
[01:26:51] <Sed_> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc co emc2
[01:27:41] <Sed_> I was thinking perhaps sourceforge was out of space
[01:27:57] <Sed_> I have tried over an over and got a little further each time
[01:28:01] <Sed_> till the out of space error
[01:28:11] <Sed_> are there any other cvsup servers for this??
[01:28:29] <jmkasunich> you did the "cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc login" line first?
[01:28:42] <Sed_> oh yea
[01:28:44] <Sed_> sorry
[01:28:56] <jmkasunich> just checking ;-)
[01:29:03] <Sed_> :)
[01:29:18] <Sed_> would you mind trying and see if you get the same error??
[01:29:30] <jmkasunich> thats what I'm doing
[01:29:35] <Sed_> heh, thank you
[01:29:41] <jmkasunich> my normal checkout is a developer one, but I'll try an anon
[01:30:02] <Sed_> I take it you have to be a developer with a password to do that....
[01:30:24] <jmkasunich> yeah
[01:30:51] <jmkasunich> hmm, I got the same error
[01:31:12] <Sed_> well its not me then... at least I can stop beating a dead horse..
[01:31:44] <jmkasunich> lemme check the site status page at SF, it could be a problem they already know about
[01:34:07] <jmkasunich> dang... I do not like the new layout at SF - can't find anything
[01:37:57] <Sed_> no mirrors I guess
[01:38:25] <Sed_> this is my second install, should have kept the first
[01:39:49] <jmkasunich> I was able to do an anon checkout of another project, but not this one... strange
[01:40:02] <jmkasunich> I'll file a support request with SF to get it fixed
[01:40:49] <jmkasunich> how urgently do you want to start working with emc2? Alex Joni has daily tarballs somewhere, I just need to figure out where they are
[01:41:34] <Sed_> well I am setting up the machine for a friend who will be taking it home in a while
[01:41:51] <jmkasunich> oh
[01:41:52] <Sed_> if its not to much trouble to ftp them somwhere I would apreciate it
[01:43:16] <jmkasunich> well, IF I can find them it will be no trouble at all
[01:43:53] <Sed_> thanks ftp://chupa.mauibuilt.com/incoming/ is my server if you do, thanks for your help
[01:44:05] <jmkasunich> thats not what I meant...
[01:44:20] <jmkasunich> I mean that I would give you a URL, and you would have to fetch the tarball
[01:44:30] <jmkasunich> (it is already online, I just don't recall where)
[01:44:32] <Sed_> oh cool
[01:46:57] <jmkasunich> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder
[01:47:09] <jmkasunich> read section 3
[01:49:25] <Sed_> cool, on its way, thank you
[01:49:57] <jmkasunich> you're welcome - and thanks for letting me know about the problem with anon checkouts, I'll report it to SF
[01:51:22] <Sed_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[01:51:35] <Sed_> great, same error as I got before
[01:52:15] <jmkasunich> did you do all the steps on this page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Compile_EMC2
[01:52:58] <jmkasunich> I'm running BDI-4.27, not 4.30, so I can't test anything here (I certainly have no problems compiling)
[01:53:13] <jmkasunich> I know others have compiled emc2 on BDI-4.30 with no problems
[01:53:30] <jmkasunich> you are using 4.30, not the very new 4.38, right?
[01:53:51] <Sed_> yea 4.30
[01:55:31] <jmkasunich> that is a really freaky error - what good is a compiler that can't make executables?
[01:56:01] <Sed_> yea odd for sure
[01:56:36] <jmkasunich> I'd be tempted to try a "hello_world.c" kind of program and see if that works
[01:56:50] <Sed_> apt-get install cvs g++ gcc gcc-2.95 ncurses-dev pciutils-dev tk8.4-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[01:56:54] <Sed_> trying that first
[01:57:24] <jmkasunich> if you didn't do that before, that would explain it
[01:58:19] <Sed_> ok, I somehow installed another BDI that didnt reqire it before dono how..
[01:58:42] <Sed_> configure: error: version.h not found - Is the kernel headers package installed
[01:58:46] <Sed_> now that
[01:58:59] <Sed_> do I need to untar the kernel source???
[01:59:05] <jmkasunich> yep, read a few more lines down the wiki page
[01:59:22] <Sed_> oh cool thanks
[01:59:39] <jmkasunich> don't overlook the note about instead of 2.6.10-adeos
[02:05:59] <Sed_> how hard is it to make a new kernel, the BDI install I tried before this had magma headers and source
[02:06:11] <Sed_> building a kernel is what borke that install
[02:06:26] <Sed_> screwed up the real time
[02:06:30] <jmkasunich> I don't do kernels, so I don't know how hard it is
[02:06:41] <jmkasunich> I use the kernel that came with the BDI for exactly that reason
[02:06:54] <Sed_> oh ok
[02:17:53] <Sed_> cool got it working and gtg,,... thanks again for your help
[02:18:22] <jmkasunich> you're welcome
[02:21:10] <jmkasunich> hi ray
[02:23:09] <rayh> Hi John
[02:51:57] <rayh> fam just walked in gotta run.
[03:09:59] <Jymmm> who was that masked man?
[03:14:54] <fenn> your father
[04:14:03] <Jymmm> fenn I aint Luke your goober!
[04:14:30] <Jymmm> Well, got a new phone system today, not bad
[04:15:17] <Jymmm> only been search for me with these features for 10+ years
[04:38:12] <cradek> there have been a lot of new people around today; I wonder if emc was mentioned somewhere popular
[04:51:20] <Jymmm> sherline website dec 25
[04:53:21] <Jymmm> ah cnczone has a active post going
[04:54:11] <Jymmm> lol.... a JHWATTS. I wonder if any relation?!
[06:26:49] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[06:27:26] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[12:26:54] <alex_joni> morning all.. if anyone around
[13:24:57] <alex_joni> I'll be back tonight
[13:57:21] <Jacky^> morning
[13:58:11] <Jacky^> alex_joni: still there ?
[14:11:23] <Jacky^> hi les_w
[14:11:34] <les_w> hi jacky!
[14:11:43] <Jacky^> whats up ?
[14:11:58] <Jacky^> starting another day of work ? :)
[14:12:05] <les_w> oh nothing just a saturday morning
[14:12:12] <les_w> housecleaning....
[14:12:15] <les_w> heh
[14:12:18] <Jacky^> nice
[14:12:32] <les_w> wash cars if it gets warm enough
[14:12:39] <Jacky^> we're going out for walking .. 15:15 pm here
[14:13:00] <Jacky^> i must wash the mine too .. :/
[14:13:20] <Jacky^> I just take it one time at week here
[14:13:30] <les_w> Right now -2c....can't wash with ice!
[14:13:48] <Jacky^> too much traffic around, I prefer to move with metro or bus ..
[14:14:05] <Jacky^> ouch -2 ? about 8-10 here hehe
[14:14:29] <les_w> in chicago I would sometimes wash cars with clean snow
[14:14:41] <les_w> worked very well
[14:14:43] <Jacky^> :)
[14:15:02] <les_w> the snow would abrade off dirt...but would not damage paint
[14:15:17] <Jacky^> yep ..
[14:15:42] <les_w> even thought of an invention that sprays snow on the car
[14:15:45] <les_w> never made it
[14:15:51] <les_w> but it would work
[14:16:24] <Jacky^> :-)
[14:16:56] <les_w> I am also studying sme plans to redo the kitvhen
[14:17:10] <Jacky^> nice
[14:17:13] <les_w> your kitvhen looked nice in the pictures
[14:17:23] <les_w> stuck key...
[14:17:25] <les_w> heh
[14:17:28] <Jacky^> :D
[14:18:00] <Jacky^> latest time I used the car was in 31 dic ..
[14:18:08] <les_w> I will redo the kitchen in cherry and stainless steel
[14:18:31] <les_w> I have to use the car or truck every day
[14:18:39] <les_w> still studying for new car
[14:18:46] <Jacky^> theres a big park where K4ts live here, with big tree, if you leave the parking you will never finf it again :(
[14:18:51] <Jacky^> find
[14:18:54] <les_w> haha
[14:19:05] <Jacky^> its public not private
[14:19:35] <Jacky^> but I mustwash the car, after some day after the tree become very dirty
[14:19:40] <les_w> make coded led flasher to find it
[14:19:52] <Jacky^> because there are a lot of 'colombi' around
[14:20:00] <Jacky^> piccioni .. :/
[14:20:20] <les_w> ?
[14:20:24] <les_w> leaves?
[14:20:49] <Jacky^> birds
[14:20:53] <les_w> OHHH
[14:20:55] <les_w> OK
[14:21:09] <les_w> here too
[14:21:18] <Jacky^> thousand of birds they stay on the trees
[14:21:32] <Jacky^> I must wash the car every day :(
[14:21:37] <les_w> as you saw it is a forest here
[14:21:41] <Jacky^> get paint ruined too ..
[14:21:55] <les_w> I hand wash cars a lot...because I like cars
[14:22:03] <Jacky^> yeah, at least you have a lot of space around
[14:22:13] <les_w> yes
[14:22:36] <Jacky^> im hate here, i like metropolitan center but ..
[14:22:44] <les_w> around the house here it is about 300x 800 meters
[14:22:46] <Jacky^> after some week I become nervous
[14:22:56] <Jacky^> nice
[14:23:16] <les_w> a lot of work though
[14:23:22] <Jacky^> also where I live in south Italy is nice, a lot od space around my house
[14:23:29] <Jacky^> I know ..
[14:23:46] <les_w> there is space here because it is far away from cities
[14:24:17] <Jacky^> nice, I like those places
[14:24:39] <Jacky^> calm
[14:24:46] <les_w> That is why I have to have a tractor to cleap things clean
[14:24:59] <les_w> actually I have 3 tractors
[14:25:07] <les_w> small ones for mowing grass
[14:25:14] <les_w> big for other work
[14:25:20] <Jacky^> nice
[14:25:45] <les_w> yes very very calm
[14:25:49] <les_w> too calm haha
[14:25:59] <Jacky^> cool I like it :D
[14:26:02] <les_w> remember I am from the city
[14:26:26] <les_w> well, better get cleaning
[14:26:31] <les_w> back later
[14:26:38] <les_w> have a nice walk
[14:26:56] <Jacky^> where I live down, are about 18k peoples
[14:27:05] <Jacky^> k4ts dont like it
[14:27:14] <Jacky^> here are 8 millions :/
[14:27:39] <Jacky^> she lives in a house with 4 rooms
[14:27:59] <Jacky^> Ive 13 rooms and 2 bathrooms in my house
[14:28:02] <Jacky^> sigh
[14:28:37] <Jacky^> going to walk ..
[14:28:41] <Jacky^> bye ;)
[15:33:48] <les_w> you know, XM sat radio basically sounds like cr@p....
[15:34:01] <les_w> sounds like an mp3 lossy compression
[15:34:10] <les_w> life sucked out of the music.
[15:36:59] <les_w> AHA! now I see why.
[15:37:02] <les_w> http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-4434.html
[15:37:33] <les_w> 64 kbs! yuck!
[15:40:38] <les_w> I just got it thrown in with sat tv. Don't pay money for this!
[16:13:56] <jepler> huh. and people pay for that?
[16:18:02] <alex_joni> hello
[16:18:17] <alex_joni> hi jeff
[16:25:31] <les_w> hi alex. Hi jef
[16:25:36] <les_w> jeff
[16:25:48] <alex_joni> oops.. meant jeff
[16:25:55] <les_w> haha
[16:25:59] <alex_joni> oh.. you did ;)
[16:26:06] <alex_joni> darn colours, can't see the nicks
[16:26:31] <alex_joni> dunno why my nick turns out to be white on white background :(
[16:26:46] <les_w> yeah, so I was messing with XM in the music room since it was added free to my sat tv service.
[16:26:52] <alex_joni> and yours is bright yellow.. can't really read it :P
[16:26:56] <les_w> could not make it sound right.
[16:27:00] <CIA-1> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
[16:27:00] <CIA-1> first chunk of code to enable M62,M63: set/reset MOTION DIO and M64,M65:
[16:27:00] <CIA-1> set/reset AUX DIO. the message passing has been restored, the messages end up in
[16:27:00] <CIA-1> the motion controller. For now only a debug message gets printed. A few details
[16:27:00] <CIA-1> to be discussed before moving on.
[16:27:02] <les_w> now I know why huh
[16:27:28] <les_w> raw cd is about 700 kbs
[16:27:42] <les_w> losseless compressed perhaps 500 avg
[16:27:57] <alex_joni> I think 192 sounds ok still
[16:28:04] <alex_joni> but anything below is crap :P
[16:28:11] <les_w> and that is 44khz 16 bit
[16:28:13] <alex_joni> maybe 256 if you can ;)
[16:28:56] <les_w> funny all this 24/96 and XM "new digital technology" is 64k
[16:29:13] <alex_joni> good enough for the majority
[16:29:16] <alex_joni> saves a lot ;)
[16:29:58] <les_w> We did some tests burning 256k mp3 from cd and comparing directly
[16:30:14] <les_w> the 256 sounded very bad compared to the original
[16:30:48] <alex_joni> ok.. now it's better (Konsole had strange colours)
[16:30:53] <alex_joni> I can see again .G
[16:30:56] <alex_joni> :D
[16:30:58] <les_w> but you have to compare ab for it to really stand out
[16:32:46] <les_w> Oh well. I used to design audio gear for a living. I may be a bit critical.
[16:34:24] <alex_joni> probably ;)
[16:34:35] <alex_joni> most people stop at 10kHz sounds ;)
[16:34:45] <alex_joni> although they should hear up to 15
[16:35:23] <les_w> 256k bps stops at about 10
[16:35:41] <les_w> when I was 18 I could hear to 27
[16:35:47] <alex_joni> nice
[16:35:50] <les_w> 30...to 20k
[16:35:56] <les_w> 40...18k
[16:36:02] <les_w> 50...15k
[16:36:04] <alex_joni> I think I tried back in college.. I stopped at around 16k
[16:36:52] <les_w> might have been the speaker
[16:37:12] <les_w> hi ray.
[16:37:42] <les_w> Time for somw on topic stuff. I'll go back to mopping the floor.
[16:38:38] <les_w> Sometimes I almost wish I was married again...but not quite.
[16:38:46] <rayh> Hi les
[16:39:11] <rayh> Okay.
[17:06:58] <alex_joni> hi ray
[17:12:05] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developers' meetings every Sunday 14:00-18:00 GMT | wiki up @ http://wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller
[18:39:49] <Jymmm> Mornin Folks
[18:55:35] <les_w> hi jymmm
[18:55:48] <Jymmm> les_w Hey Les!
[18:55:55] <Jymmm> Was just thinking about ya!
[18:56:11] <les_w> I was cleaning house.
[18:56:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm imagines les_w is a miad uniform.... *shutters*
[18:56:41] <les_w> And bitchin earlier about cummy XM sat radio (64kbs)
[18:57:15] <Jymmm> les_w Did you ever watch "Everyday Italian" on the Food Channel?
[18:57:16] <les_w> I piped it in the music room...it was added free to my direct tv
[18:57:22] <les_w> awful awful awful
[18:57:29] <les_w> ?
[18:57:32] <les_w> no...
[18:57:46] <les_w> I don't watch the food channel much
[18:57:51] <Jymmm> les_w If you hate Italian, if you hate everyday, you gotta watch it at least once.
[18:58:06] <les_w> I love italian food
[18:58:12] <Jymmm> les_w You'll understand COMPLETELY, once you see the host of the show.
[18:58:18] <les_w> haha
[18:59:05] <Jymmm> * Jymmm would give his left nut
[18:59:21] <les_w> guess i'll have to check it out
[18:59:31] <les_w> ach my fingers are pruned
[18:59:37] <Jymmm> lol
[18:59:45] <Jymmm> Just now, or everyday?
[18:59:58] <les_w> wanted to wash the cars but it's just too cold and windy
[19:00:09] <les_w> ha ha ha
[19:01:01] <les_w> Me? I have zero wrinkes anywhere of course.
[19:01:09] <Jymmm> les_w I read up on pore fillers, most seem to be a putty/paste of soeme sort. Any liquid ones?
[19:01:28] <Jymmm> pout n fill so to speak
[19:01:32] <Jymmm> pour
[19:01:47] <Jymmm> pour in the pores
[19:01:50] <Jymmm> =)
[19:02:00] <Jymmm> for the poor
[19:02:28] <les_w> well pore fillers usually are a paste. The traditional ones are thinned with naptha to a light cream consistency and brushed on. After flashing over and turning dull, they are wiped off with burlap or similar.
[19:02:50] <les_w> across the grain if possible
[19:02:55] <Jymmm> but none of them cure/dry clear?
[19:03:48] <les_w> the new water based ones are clear yes. The old ones were whitish and usually colored with japan.
[19:04:03] <les_w> So the wood needed a wash coat of sealer first
[19:04:17] <les_w> so the filler would not act as a stain
[19:04:43] <les_w> I washcoat first with the new clear ones as well
[19:05:17] <les_w> there are sprayable fillers too
[19:05:20] <Jymmm> far too many processes involved for me w/o a shop
[19:05:37] <les_w> I guess
[19:05:54] <les_w> well the water ones have few fumes...
[19:05:59] <les_w> almost none
[19:06:14] <les_w> all you need is a utility paint brush and some rags
[19:06:24] <les_w> no fire danger or anything
[19:06:58] <les_w> All the stuff is is modified latex wall paint really
[19:07:14] <Jymmm> Not that as much as no place to store to dry. As it is, I have to wait for a sunny day just to be able to cut up material, and gawd help me if I need to clearcoat
[19:07:37] <les_w> the water filler dries in about 10 minutes
[19:08:08] <Jymmm> Does it make THAT much of a difference on the finished product?
[19:08:32] <les_w> how fast it dries? heh nah
[19:08:39] <Jymmm> no the filler itself
[19:08:52] <les_w> oh the old stuff or the new?
[19:08:59] <Jymmm> new, I guess
[19:09:04] <les_w> both work fine
[19:09:12] <les_w> the new stuff is so fast though
[19:09:24] <Jymmm> and the new stuff is the water based?
[19:09:37] <les_w> the old filler like behlen pore o pack needed at least 3 days to dry
[19:09:45] <Jymmm> eeewww
[19:09:47] <les_w> yeah new is water
[19:10:04] <Jymmm> but the new stuff does need a clearcoat first, correct?
[19:10:04] <les_w> often the old stuff needed a week
[19:10:33] <les_w> no, it doesn't. I just prefer too to get the very best look
[19:11:15] <Jymmm> yeah, if your going thru all that hassle.
[19:11:37] <les_w> If your clear coats are water based laquer, it's basically the same thing only thinner. S put em on after.
[19:12:19] <les_w> If I want an oil look I put the oil type finish on first...it would not penetrate after the filler is on
[19:12:42] <les_w> So for oil look....
[19:12:49] <les_w> Watco danish oil...
[19:12:52] <les_w> then filler
[19:12:53] <Jymmm> What I'm doing now is sanding down the raw stock, spray can PU, carve, hand oil stain the carving, then PU the whole thing.
[19:12:56] <les_w> then sand
[19:13:01] <les_w> then topcoats
[19:13:31] <les_w> ok. PU won't fill pores of wood like oak and walnut.
[19:13:37] <Jymmm> and dmanit all to hell if the dried PU doesn't absorb the stain =(
[19:13:58] <les_w> hmm
[19:14:06] <les_w> doesn't for me
[19:14:14] <Jymmm> water or oil base stain?
[19:14:43] <les_w> remember on the signs I use a color coat based on modified latex wall paint
[19:14:56] <Jymmm> yeah
[19:15:16] <les_w> I remove some of the binder...
[19:15:27] <les_w> so it dries chalky and brittle
[19:15:36] <les_w> sands off easily...
[19:15:51] <les_w> then the top coats soak in it and strengthen it
[19:16:06] <les_w> works great
[19:16:33] <Jymmm> #225 http://www.minwax.com/products/woodstain/woodfinish-color.cfm
[19:17:12] <Jymmm> but that's paint, not stain.
[19:17:19] <Jymmm> what your using that is.
[19:17:19] <les_w> yeah pigment stain...
[19:17:25] <les_w> I rarely use it
[19:17:56] <Jymmm> Really?
[19:18:08] <les_w> that stuff on the link is called varnish stain
[19:18:13] <Jymmm> Some things 'white' just doens't seemed right.
[19:18:22] <Jymmm> k
[19:18:46] <les_w> varnish stain is for no skills homeowners.
[19:18:52] <les_w> I looks like crap.
[19:19:15] <Jymmm> les_w you remember my parrot sign? I used that varnish stain
[19:19:17] <Jymmm> on it
[19:19:19] <les_w> It's harware store junk.
[19:19:33] <les_w> you did? Well stop it!
[19:19:34] <les_w> haha
[19:19:48] <Jymmm> It's already sold and shipped
[19:19:53] <les_w> heh
[19:20:26] <Jymmm> Well, ok. Then what SHOULD I use when I dont' want white?
[19:20:38] <les_w> what wood?
[19:20:54] <Jymmm> hardwoods, open grain.
[19:21:09] <les_w> and you want a darker color?
[19:21:19] <Jymmm> * Jymmm has been trying different species lately playing around.
[19:21:22] <Jymmm> yes
[19:21:29] <Jymmm> medium color naturally
[19:21:41] <Jymmm> hold on, let get the name of this wood
[19:21:42] <les_w> ok. The best look is obtained by water based dye stains
[19:21:48] <Jymmm> Rit ?
[19:22:02] <les_w> just so happens it is the cheapest and safest to use too
[19:22:24] <les_w> It is similar to rit yes....mettalic salt dyes
[19:22:47] <les_w> let me get you a link
[19:22:49] <Jymmm> k
[19:23:34] <Jymmm> brb coffee
[19:24:45] <les_w> http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=922-828
[19:24:59] <les_w> that's the filler...now let me find the stain
[19:26:39] <les_w> http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=844-806
[19:27:52] <les_w> also, for one of the most natural walnut stains...I collect husks from the many walnut trees in the yard....
[19:28:02] <les_w> and boil them in a big pot.
[19:28:34] <les_w> I put a little something in like sodium benzoate as a preservitiave...
[19:28:41] <les_w> and bottle it up.
[19:28:56] <les_w> perfect for darkening sap streaks
[19:32:12] <les_w> these dye stains all leave a perfectly clear wood surface
[19:32:33] <les_w> pigment stains are thin paint and cover the wood.
[19:32:51] <les_w> Sometimes good if the wood is poor quality.
[19:33:18] <les_w> Pigment is also used to simulate old oxidized finish on antique restoration
[19:33:45] <les_w> Dyes color the wood but don't hide it.
[19:34:32] <les_w> also dyes soak in. You can sand lightly without losing the color.
[19:36:58] <Jymmm> back
[19:37:25] <les_w> just read back
[19:37:34] <Jymmm> looking now...
[19:38:26] <Jymmm> the salt dyes, do the store well once mixed?
[19:38:35] <les_w> yeah just fine
[19:38:52] <les_w> I just stock red yellow and blue
[19:38:59] <les_w> so any color can be mixed
[19:39:12] <Jymmm> you just use a scale to mix them?
[19:39:24] <les_w> colors can be very intense
[19:39:38] <les_w> yes scale if you want to repeat the formula
[19:39:56] <les_w> you can get bright red, black, etc
[19:40:07] <Jymmm> I see red and yellow wlanut dyes, but no blue
[19:40:10] <les_w> the high end turkey calls use these stains
[19:40:23] <les_w> different section of the catalog
[19:40:38] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[19:40:56] <les_w> that "curly maple camo gree" call of ours...that is with Moser dye stain.
[19:41:02] <les_w> green
[19:41:10] <Jymmm> and even though it say "Yellow Wlnut" the walnut part doens't matter?
[19:41:27] <les_w> nah that is just premixed red and green
[19:41:37] <Jymmm> ah ok
[19:41:44] <les_w> or red blue and yellow
[19:42:24] <Jymmm> I just noticed "Mix only what will be immediately used."
[19:42:48] <les_w> yeah....that's so you will buy more.
[19:42:53] <Jymmm> lol
[19:43:06] <les_w> It can get bacteria growth it's true.
[19:43:20] <Jymmm> ok, that's what I was thinking
[19:43:26] <les_w> tiny bit of sodium benzoate will fix that.
[19:43:42] <Jymmm> does that come in powder form?
[19:43:57] <les_w> liquid
[19:44:20] <les_w> prob a water based grocery store disinfectant is the easiest to get
[19:44:25] <les_w> just pour some in.
[19:44:47] <les_w> not clorox or other bleach
[19:44:47] <Jymmm> k
[19:45:21] <les_w> it's good stuff, safe, very heap. Get some.
[19:45:27] <les_w> cheap
[19:45:39] <Jymmm> or benzoate of soda, chemical compound, C 6 H 5 CO 2 Na, colorless or white crystalline, aromatic compound; the sodium salt of benzoic acid . It is soluble in water and is used as a preservative in foods and beverages; because it is poisonous, the concentration is limited by law to 0.1%.
[19:45:47] <les_w> High quality staining only uses this stuff.
[19:46:14] <les_w> Well, don't drik the damn stuff
[19:46:18] <Jymmm> where do you get yours from, a chem supply house?
[19:46:19] <les_w> drink
[19:46:22] <Jymmm> lol
[19:46:33] <les_w> but even food has 0.1%
[19:46:40] <les_w> so it ain't that bad
[19:46:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, I've seen it on ingrediants lists
[19:47:04] <les_w> yeah chem supply
[19:47:17] <les_w> prob canning supplies have it too
[19:47:27] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[19:47:41] <les_w> you might have trouble buying things from a chem supply these days.
[19:47:46] <les_w> let's check
[19:48:31] <Jymmm> http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10426/SLS1987
[19:50:35] <les_w> http://www.1-800-shaved-ice.com/c-sod-ben.html
[19:50:38] <les_w> no sweat
[19:51:04] <Jymmm> oh, cheap too.
[19:51:17] <Jymmm> food grade (back to that 0.01% )
[19:51:23] <les_w> yeah.
[19:52:03] <les_w> Hey...I'm giving you all my secrets you know...other woodworkers don't know about using sodium benzoate.
[19:52:12] <les_w> That'l be $1000.
[19:52:22] <Jymmm> so if I was mixing up half a PB jar of dye, add maybe a teaspoon of SB ?
[19:52:36] <Jymmm> put it in my tab =)
[19:53:06] <les_w> ah keep it to 0.1 % if you thik your nephew will think it's kool aid.
[19:53:20] <les_w> otherwise just throw some in
[19:53:25] <les_w> a few percent
[19:54:40] <Jymmm> You're just turning me inot a drug-store alcamist
[19:54:46] <les_w> sure
[19:54:56] <Jymmm> =)
[19:55:14] <les_w> remember I have designed coatings.
[19:55:16] <Jymmm> So, when do we get to invent gunpowder? =)
[19:55:28] <Jymmm> and solid fuel engines?
[19:55:44] <les_w> Oh I made very good black powder when I was a teen.
[19:55:59] <les_w> and yes rocket engines...but not with black powder.
[19:56:26] <Jymmm> les_w I already have the NiChrome fo the igniters =)
[19:56:32] <les_w> NSA is monitoring and will be at my door in one hour.
[19:56:46] <Jymmm> s/NSA/ATF/
[19:57:05] <les_w> you know what? When I got out of school the NSA offered me a job!
[19:57:15] <Jymmm> les_w the permit is $75/yr for mfg in sm quantities
[19:57:31] <Jymmm> yeah? How did they know about you?
[19:57:45] <les_w> I have some black powder right here in the room.
[19:57:50] <les_w> Goex XXX
[19:57:54] <les_w> for the guns.
[19:58:06] <Jymmm> me too, but it's coverd in lead and brass =)
[19:58:26] <les_w> I really should keep the stuff in the barn or something.
[19:58:38] <les_w> have about 2 pounds
[19:58:49] <Jymmm> keep it underground
[19:58:51] <les_w> that would blow the cr@p out of the house
[19:59:07] <Jymmm> and grounded =)
[19:59:16] <Jymmm> with all those lighting storms you have
[19:59:33] <les_w> making a note right now
[19:59:57] <Jymmm> les_w It's the GREEN wire you insert into the gunpowder, not the BLACK one =)
[20:00:45] <les_w> That Goex is fast. several hundred meter/sec flame front.
[20:00:51] <les_w> not for a fuse!
[20:01:09] <Jymmm> Wait... isn't Goex usually fuses?
[20:01:19] <les_w> not several...200.
[20:01:27] <Jymmm> or is that jsut the Brand name
[20:01:28] <les_w> not xxx!!!!
[20:01:32] <les_w> brand
[20:01:35] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[20:03:41] <les_w> so anyway buy that dye stain
[20:03:46] <les_w> and the filler
[20:04:15] <les_w> use professional stuff...not that hardware store junk
[20:04:24] <Jymmm> I'll buy the powder dyes for sure, maybe the filler to paly with a bit.
[20:04:55] <Jymmm> with have shitty tap water here, does it matter much?
[20:05:00] <Jymmm> we have shitty tap water here, does it matter much?
[20:05:00] <les_w> you can get oil soluble and alcohol soluble too...but you don't need that
[20:05:33] <Jymmm> shower stall turns a light orange due to the water
[20:05:39] <les_w> nah. you can mix it with pi$$ and it would work fine.
[20:05:52] <Jymmm> cool
[20:06:31] <Jymmm> Lets see... we got chem houses, and mixing scales... sounds drug related to me =)
[20:06:40] <les_w> yeah!
[20:06:55] <Jymmm> oh and add on a touch of NSA and ATF chat... WOO HOO!
[20:07:02] <les_w> Well half this county is on probation for meth labs.
[20:07:08] <Jymmm> lol
[20:07:21] <les_w> The hillbillies switched from moonshine to meth.
[20:07:29] <Jymmm> logisitic
[20:07:38] <Jymmm> and demand
[20:07:55] <les_w> "hillbilly cocaine " I guess.
[20:08:00] <Jymmm> lol
[20:08:07] <Jymmm> wouldn't that be rat poison?
[20:08:38] <les_w> I wish.
[20:09:38] <les_w> let's see we have mentioned black powder, rocket engines, chemical supply, guns, cocaine, and meth.
[20:09:50] <les_w> What do you think our bail will be?
[20:10:37] <les_w> Oh, sorry. I forgot. We don't have due process and habeus corpus and rights and stuff. Bush did away with em.
[20:11:01] <Jymmm> Releas on OR =)
[20:11:24] <Jymmm> that fucker... and got the PAtriot act renewed too. bastard
[20:11:37] <les_w> yeah.
[20:11:40] <les_w> bleh
[20:12:15] <les_w> look out the window. Any big black cars yet?
[20:12:22] <Jymmm> We have Black Op's, wtf do we need PAtriot Act for.... it's only fucking the Citizens and not the terrorists
[20:12:54] <Jymmm> * Jymmm check the Spectrum analyzer for for gov freq activity.... clear
[20:12:56] <les_w> Gotta keep tabs on the slaves...
[20:13:49] <les_w> Think I could accept that old offer at NSA?
[20:13:56] <Jymmm> oh let me lookup the wood I'm using...
[20:14:31] <les_w> They would not even talk about what it was. They jusyt liked that I had good grades and took a lot of math.
[20:15:06] <Jymmm> cough*BULLSHIT*cough
[20:15:16] <les_w> So I accepted an offer doing audio research instead.
[20:15:33] <Jymmm> The NSA KNOWS who they're talking to before they even talk to them =)
[20:15:50] <les_w> They would not say what, when, where.
[20:15:52] <Jymmm> Mangaris
[20:15:58] <les_w> Had many papers to sign.
[20:17:08] <Jymmm> I got permission from the Lumber Store here to go in and take photographs of the exotic woods they have... about 50 different ones.
[20:17:21] <les_w> oh neat
[20:17:28] <les_w> high quality pictures?
[20:18:01] <Jymmm> Well, they will be when I take them. But of course all raw and unfinished.
[20:18:24] <les_w> many dampen them with water
[20:18:32] <les_w> store might not like that
[20:18:46] <les_w> well give me some later...nice for web site
[20:18:58] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I'll ask if they would mind that or not....
[20:19:10] <les_w> it wouldn't hurt anything
[20:19:14] <Jymmm> damp sponge
[20:19:18] <les_w> yeah
[20:19:28] <les_w> dry again in a min or two
[20:19:57] <Jymmm> might leave a water stain, no?
[20:20:02] <les_w> well my fingers are depruned
[20:20:05] <Jymmm> distilled water?
[20:20:05] <les_w> nah
[20:20:12] <les_w> spit
[20:20:45] <Jymmm> I get to setup an umbrella too,
[20:21:01] <les_w> like geologists with rocks
[20:21:17] <Jymmm> 50 species, that's a lot of spit.
[20:21:21] <les_w> I would like some photos...ones one the web are usually poor
[20:21:44] <Jymmm> Why do you think I set all this up =)
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[20:22:05] <Jymmm> hi SWPadnos
[20:22:07] <les_w> hi SWP
[20:22:39] <Jymmm> had to buy a bracket for the umbrella and my flash to fit together
[20:23:12] <Jymmm> all cordless stuff. I think they might frown upon me running cords all over the store
[20:23:18] <les_w> yeah...flash on camera woud just glare
[20:23:24] <Jymmm> Yep
[20:23:34] <les_w> unless shot at an angle
[20:23:43] <les_w> which would look funny
[20:23:54] <Jymmm> My camera can shoot TTL wirelessly to the flash
[20:24:02] <les_w> oh neat
[20:24:10] <les_w> wish mine could
[20:24:12] <Jymmm> uses IR for the settings
[20:24:23] <Jymmm> Nikon D70 + SB800
[20:24:44] <les_w> I was taking photos of each sign job but finally stopped
[20:24:52] <les_w> too much work
[20:25:06] <Jymmm> Eh, a gallon of distilled water is cheap and no minerals in it to stain anything
[20:25:31] <Jymmm> I shoot everything =)
[20:25:49] <les_w> free for me as air conditioner or dehumidifier condensate...in the summer.
[20:25:59] <Jymmm> lol
[20:26:13] <Jymmm> well, anythign so they dont say NO
[20:26:17] <les_w> I splash it on the car after washing. No spots, no towel drying.
[20:26:27] <Jymmm> nice
[20:26:55] <Jymmm> I didn't even think about wetting the woods, thanks !
[20:27:48] <les_w> A friend did that with his wood pictures
[20:28:17] <Jymmm> It makes sense, wet looks a lot closer to a finished piece than dry every will.
[20:29:32] <les_w> http://roehmguitars.midtnn.net/wood.html
[20:31:09] <Jymmm> Yeah, I'll see if I can brighten em up more than his are
[20:32:51] <les_w> He said I was welcome to his, but they are old and I would like to have higher resolution
[20:33:10] <les_w> those were thumbnail for back in the dialup days
[20:34:46] <les_w> Well, I need to go clean the music room some. Get the dust out of the sectoral horns.
[20:35:00] <les_w> And turn off that damn XM sat radio
[20:35:38] <les_w> 64kbps, what a crock.
[20:37:31] <Jymmm> that sucks
[20:37:38] <Jymmm> your sure it's not a setting?
[20:38:58] <les_w> no. not a setting. google it.
[20:40:02] <Jymmm> what shitty service, good to know.
[20:40:13] <les_w> phone
[20:40:24] <Jymmm> k
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[21:44:09] <ottos> day gents...
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[22:40:33] <k4ts> hello
[22:42:13] <k4ts> h les_w
[22:43:20] <Jacky^> hi
[22:47:21] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ uploading latest photos :P
[22:48:27] <Jacky^> hi A-L-P-H-A :)
[22:48:37] <Jacky^> how php is going ? :D
[22:53:12] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pozzuoli/index.html
[22:53:59] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ updated his website to latest photos :D
[22:59:10] <icee> so FYI all
[22:59:13] <icee> http://www.lyle.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ServoController
[22:59:31] <icee> is the new sanyo denki servo controller home pag
[22:59:32] <icee> e
[23:04:24] <Jacky^> wow icee nice AC servos
[23:04:45] <Jacky^> jmk is great :)
[23:05:04] <Jacky^> who is Jim L.?
[23:05:23] <Jacky^> you ?
[23:06:04] <Jacky^> I know LawrenceG too
[23:06:21] <Lerman> Lerman is now known as lerman
[23:06:36] <Jacky^> but not Michael and Jim
[23:07:06] <Jacky^> btw great job :)
[23:10:03] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pozzuoli/img000.jpeg.html
[23:10:27] <Jacky^> this is the stadium where Diego Armando Maradona was playng :)
[23:10:31] <Jacky^> San Paolo
[23:10:43] <Jacky^> hi rayh
[23:11:24] <rayh> Hello Jacky^
[23:11:35] <rayh> Hello k4ts
[23:11:48] <rayh> Saw your pictures of pompeii
[23:11:49] <k4ts> hi rayh
[23:12:12] <Jacky^> rayh: we have not been in Capri Island today .. we wake up too late :/
[23:12:33] <Jacky^> have been here around : http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pozzuoli/index.html
[23:12:36] <rayh> ah hah missed the boat 'eh?
[23:12:36] <Jacky^> :)
[23:12:42] <Jacky^> yeah hahahaha
[23:13:04] <Jacky^> k4ts: prefer to travel with the car :(
[23:13:08] <rayh> Glad that you had a nice day.
[23:13:21] <Jacky^> yeah, afternoon ..
[23:13:24] <Jacky^> heh
[23:15:53] <Jacky^> I was looking at http://www.lyle.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ServoController
[23:16:01] <Jacky^> good progress ;P
[23:16:52] <Jacky^> AC motors are expensive but good !
[23:18:50] <Jacky^> saome days yet, and I will restart my project, 10 mt/min wood-work machine
[23:19:18] <Jacky^> using DC motors , I already bought Geckos for that
[23:19:28] <Jacky^> But I like the AC idea :)
[23:20:01] <rayh> They are nice motors.
[23:20:26] <rayh> I still like DC.
[23:20:33] <Jacky^> someone here around get AC motors for a very good price
[23:20:45] <rayh> I can understand it more easily then all the induction stuff.
[23:20:58] <Jacky^> waiting to heard about performances they get
[23:21:31] <Jacky^> yeah, AC is difficult to drive , for what I know
[23:22:47] <rayh> I like the fact that you get full torque at zero speed with dc
[23:23:00] <rayh> that is much harder with ac. makes for some expensive systems.
[23:23:33] <rayh> You doing anything with emc2 lately?
[23:24:38] <Jacky^> I switched to Emc2 after alex_joni suggest it to me, about september 05
[23:24:59] <Jacky^> I just used a 'toy' as machine
[23:25:07] <Jacky^> but I got nice results
[23:25:32] <Jacky^> now planning to build a very Fast machine
[23:25:34] <rayh> Great. EMC2 is really coming along
[23:25:59] <rayh> We've sorted out most of the configuration stuff
[23:26:20] <rayh> jmk has a graphical config copier nearly done
[23:26:32] <Jacky^> Im not updated to latest stuff .. but I heard something about :)
[23:26:41] <rayh> I've got the start of a HAL configuration graphical interface
[23:26:41] <Jacky^> nice
[23:27:03] <rayh> It makes a lot more sence to me these days.
[23:27:26] <rayh> I was pretty much lost trying to keep up with jmk on the Mazak
[23:28:28] <Jacky^> rayh: here are the lates Emc2 jobs I done: http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/photos/lab/img010.jpeg.html
[23:28:35] <Jacky^> not bad at all :D
[23:29:16] <Jacky^> I repeat, the mine was a toy machine :)
[23:29:16] <rayh> fantastic
[23:29:19] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:30:09] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ dreaming the next machine working
[23:30:45] <rayh> Looks like some impressive work for a toy.
[23:30:53] <Jacky^> hehehe yeah
[23:31:05] <rayh> I see a gecko and a good sized motor.
[23:31:17] <Jacky^> its inredible, but really, it was build with surplus peaces
[23:32:00] <Jacky^> the motor you see its a DC motors, my cousin got from US by his cousin ..
[23:32:08] <Jacky^> never tried yet :(
[23:32:43] <Jacky^> I tried to hack get up some homemade encoder but didnt work
[23:33:23] <rayh> ah always something to do
[23:33:24] <Jacky^> next step I will choose DC motors, according to les_w suggestions
[23:33:41] <rayh> Yes. He knows quite a bit about doing that.
[23:33:48] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:33:59] <rayh> brb
[23:34:09] <Jacky^> ok
[23:46:54] <k4ts> night