#emc | Logs for 2005-12-22

[00:22:58] <dmess> bonjour tous.... hi all
[00:26:36] <fenn> i don't get it.. CAD stands for Computer Aided Drafting or Computer aided design, and CADD stands for Computer Aided Design and Drafting, but they don't mean the same thing!
[00:26:57] <anonimasu> what differs drafting from cad drawing?
[00:27:36] <fenn> nothing
[00:27:44] <fenn> but CADD is CAD with tolerances thrown in
[00:28:01] <anonimasu> um
[00:28:03] <anonimasu> heh
[00:28:16] <anonimasu> how stupid
[00:28:19] <fenn> whoever comes up with these acronyms should be shot
[00:29:35] <fenn> i'm painfully extracting wtf exactly STEP-NC is from their poor excuse for a website
[00:30:10] <fenn> what's the point of making a standard if you dont actually publish the standard?
[00:32:00] <lep> haha
[00:32:25] <fenn> i'm thinking they don't actually have a standard at all, and it's all just fluff and acronyms
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[01:15:07] <fenn> seems like whenever I go to bed it's always morning somewhere
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[01:42:35] <Jacky^> hre, we copied all from US except the good things
[01:42:41] <Jacky^> niceee :)
[02:29:16] <Jacky^> night
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[03:01:02] <skunkworks> credak?
[03:01:16] <skunkworks> cradek
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[03:24:43] <cradek> skunkworks: yes?
[03:27:38] <skunkworks> sorry - quick question
[03:28:25] <cradek> no problem
[03:28:27] <cradek> what's up?
[03:28:35] <skunkworks> have you seen with axis if you type in g1x10f30 - then x10 again it says you cannot do a g move without a feed?
[03:29:07] <skunkworks> (I am sure it is an interpiter thing btw)
[03:29:20] <cradek> are you saying you saw that? sounds very bizarre
[03:29:46] <skunkworks> yes - more than once - I mean I can reproduce it consistantly
[03:30:10] <skunkworks> than the next move must have a feed rate for it to work
[03:30:15] <cradek> let me try...
[03:31:10] <cradek> I'm not getting that
[03:31:16] <cradek> do you get it every time?
[03:32:02] <skunkworks> crap - I will try it again tomarrow - yes I am pretty sure. Maybe it is a series of events that cause it.
[03:32:16] <cradek> I even tried jogging between them
[03:33:06] <cradek> I thought that might do it (because emc switches out of MDI mode)
[03:33:16] <cradek> but it doesn't report that error
[03:33:43] <skunkworks> let me double check with my dad - he had gotten it to happen more than me.
[03:33:55] <cradek> in the MDI tab there is a list of the active g codes
[03:34:05] <cradek> after the first g1, mine says F30 in that list
[03:35:05] <cradek> hmm
[03:35:13] <cradek> once, I did get it to g1 without specifying f
[03:35:39] <cradek> active g codes showed f72 during the jog but then went back to 0 after it stopped
[03:36:14] <cradek> yeah, I can start emc and immediately MDI g1x1
[03:36:30] <cradek> it will set F to 72 (??) and do the move
[03:36:50] <cradek> but if I then type x0, it gives me the zero feed rate error
[03:37:35] <skunkworks> odd
[03:37:40] <skunkworks> this is what my dad said
[03:37:43] <cradek> I'm submitting a bug report about that right now
[03:38:08] <skunkworks> if you type a x,y,z move that is what you are at at that time then the next time you give it a xyor z move that is a new position it says you have to give g1 a feed rate to work, or something like that
[03:39:13] <cradek> yep
[03:39:15] <cradek> it sure does
[03:39:42] <cradek> that's another bug
[03:41:01] <skunkworks> ok
[03:41:24] <skunkworks> glad it made a little sense
[03:41:28] <skunkworks> ;)
[03:45:08] <SWPadnos> I've seen that one actually
[03:45:36] <SWPadnos> I think that emc changes the feedrate to 0 if you specify a move that causes no motion
[03:45:48] <cradek> exactly
[03:45:49] <skunkworks> yes - that is what we see
[03:46:42] <cradek> hmmm
[03:46:46] <cradek> but only in MDI mode!
[03:46:50] <cradek> if I put that in a program, it runs
[03:47:07] <SWPadnos> heh - maybe it's shorthand for F0 :)
[03:47:09] <skunkworks> did not try that
[03:49:00] <cradek> yuck, I wonder what else is broken
[03:49:55] <skunkworks> well as I cause more problems I am going to bed - night everyone
[03:50:32] <cradek> I'm trying emc1...
[03:51:32] <SWPadnos> there's probably code that limits feed for short moves, so that the resulting feedrate is attainable given the accel constraints
[03:51:44] <SWPadnos> (or maybe I'm dreaming)
[03:52:41] <cradek> emc1 does have one of these bugs (error checking the first move)
[03:53:26] <cradek> I'm not sure if that's comforting or not
[03:53:39] <cradek> the feed-rate-clearing bug is very serious
[03:53:41] <SWPadnos> actually - did you try a sequence like x1 / x1 / x0 in the program?
[03:54:08] <cradek> % cat nowhere.ngc
[03:54:08] <cradek> g1x1f10
[03:54:08] <cradek> g1x1
[03:54:08] <cradek> g1x0
[03:54:08] <cradek> m2
[03:54:16] <cradek> running this program did not trigger it
[03:54:17] <SWPadnos> ok
[03:54:22] <cradek> but typing the same commands in mdi does
[03:55:26] <SWPadnos> ok
[03:56:56] <cradek> I'm very nervous that this is only broken in emc2
[03:57:00] <cradek> I wonder what got messed up
[03:57:09] <cradek> I wonder what else got messed up
[03:57:25] <SWPadnos> I suspect it's a limiting thing - like the accel scenario I mentioned, btu I don't know.
[03:57:35] <SWPadnos> the variable is settings->feed_rate
[03:58:38] <SWPadnos> I think
[04:00:19] <cradek> if (block->f_number > -1.0) {
[04:00:39] <cradek> ...
[04:00:40] <cradek> CHP(convert_feed_rate(block, settings));
[04:00:50] <SWPadnos> I didn't see where CHP is defined
[04:00:51] <cradek> I wonder what the heck >-1 is supposed to mean
[04:00:58] <cradek> I think it's an error check
[04:01:02] <SWPadnos> but that's in interp_inverse.cc, right?
[04:01:18] <SWPadnos> the line number would be -1 if not in auto mode, or something like that
[04:01:29] <SWPadnos> or is that the feed number?
[04:01:36] <cradek> yeah that's the F word
[04:01:45] <SWPadnos> well - I've got a different F word
[04:03:33] <cradek> Interp::init does NOT initialize feed_rate
[04:03:39] <SWPadnos> I can't find the definition of CHP
[04:03:48] <cradek> grep CHP *.hh
[04:04:02] <cradek> it's right in front of your nose :-)
[04:04:30] <SWPadnos> ah - the fine wasn't set up for .hh files ;)
[04:04:32] <SWPadnos> find
[04:04:51] <cradek> wow, what a macro that is
[04:05:02] <cradek> I love how it ends with "else"
[04:05:27] <SWPadnos> yep - very nice
[04:06:20] <cradek> bah, I don't care about these bugs
[04:06:21] <SWPadnos> what an ugly mess of macros those are
[04:06:25] <cradek> someone else can dig in the interpreter
[04:06:41] <SWPadnos> indeed
[04:07:07] <cradek> crap, I wanted to work on accel, but it's too late in the day to start
[04:07:37] <cradek> and I have too many christmas cookies around
[04:18:20] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:19:21] <Jymmm> Got Milk?
[04:19:35] <cradek> nah, hate milk
[04:20:52] <Jymmm> hate?
[04:21:14] <Jymmm> cheese?
[04:21:15] <cradek> well, I don't like it at all
[04:21:18] <cradek> maybe not hate
[04:21:27] <cradek> I like many kinds of cheese
[04:21:34] <Jymmm> ah
[04:21:39] <cradek> even expensive stinky cheese
[04:21:44] <Jymmm> lol
[04:22:08] <cradek> some of it the cats won't even touch
[04:22:29] <Jymmm> the gf just found a place today that has other 200 varieties
[04:22:33] <Jymmm> over
[04:23:00] <cradek> my local natural foods store has an ok selection, but there's a really great one in omaha (50 miles)
[04:24:00] <cradek> when I was there they gave us a sample of some cheese that was pretty good
[04:24:09] <cradek> so he pointed out which one it was
[04:24:14] <cradek> it was $35 a pound
[04:24:35] <cradek> so I didn't get any of that...
[04:26:00] <cradek> hahahahaha
[04:26:07] <cradek> http://members.aol.com/JesusImages/index.htm
[04:27:02] <cradek> where's programmer??
[04:27:06] <cradek> system administrator??
[04:27:22] <cradek> telemarketer?
[04:27:31] <cradek> used car salesman?
[05:01:52] <Jymmm> $35 a pound... does it come with a coke spoon or what?
[05:05:31] <cradek> cheese shop salesman?
[05:05:37] <cradek> goodnight
[05:05:47] <Jymmm> G'night
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[09:26:59] <anonimasu> hm
[09:29:22] <anonimasu> hm
[09:29:32] <anonimasu> my battery went low and ate my glib
[09:29:35] <anonimasu> X_X
[12:18:16] <A-L-P-H-A> glib?
[12:18:19] <A-L-P-H-A> what's glib
[12:18:20] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
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[12:44:08] <anonimasu> a library
[16:45:42] <Sed_> so how many people here converted a machine to cnc?
[17:52:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Sed_, many.
[18:23:19] <skunkworks> Cradek - thanks for double checking that bug last night and adding it to the bug-list. I don't know if I ever noticed the other problem.
[18:46:50] <K4ts> hello
[18:48:06] <Jacky^> hey
[18:48:13] <Jacky^> query ..
[18:59:04] <skunkworks> query? SQL? ;) SELECT [Sales Header].Name, [Sales Line].No_, [Sales Line].Quantity
[18:59:05] <skunkworks> FROM [Sales Header] INNER JOIN [Sales Line] ON ([Sales Header].No_ = [Sales Line].[Document No_]) AND ([Sales Header].[Document Type] = [Sales Line].[Document Type])
[18:59:05] <skunkworks> WHERE ((([Sales Header].Consignment)=1));
[18:59:26] <Jacky^> skunkworks: :)
[18:59:44] <skunkworks> I try ;)
[18:59:45] <Jacky^> I hate sql :/
[18:59:48] <Jacky^> hehe
[19:01:16] <Jacky^> skunkworks: whats up there ?
[19:01:17] <ValarQ> there is other databases
[19:01:39] <Jacky^> ready for christams party ? :P
[19:01:45] <skunkworks> last day of work for the 4 day holiday vaction
[19:02:06] <skunkworks> can't wait.
[19:02:08] <Jacky^> only 4 days ? ugh, few ..
[19:02:33] <skunkworks> more than most companies allow
[19:02:43] <skunkworks> around here anyways
[19:02:47] <Jacky^> hi ValarQ
[19:03:16] <Jacky^> oh, may depend on company
[19:04:40] <Jacky^> there are 2 hlydays day too near ..
[19:05:05] <Jacky^> right now, i was talking to K4ts , to decide how to pass these two days
[19:05:26] <Jacky^> id like to go there, in naples .. for christmas
[19:05:37] <skunkworks> right. we will have 3 4 day work weeks in a row. - kinda nice.
[19:05:41] <Jacky^> for the other side id like to stay there with my mother
[19:06:09] <Jacky^> at the end.. i decided to divide these two days
[19:06:21] <Jacky^> 1 day with my mother 1 day with K4ts
[19:06:29] <Jacky^> that seem to me right :D
[19:06:41] <Jacky^> i will stay here for 25 dec.
[19:06:53] <Jacky^> there for 31 dec ;)
[19:07:31] <cradek> skunkworks: you're welcome - I appreciate the bug reports.
[19:08:15] <skunkworks> thnaks - how much work do you think it is going to take to fix the acceleration bug?
[19:08:30] <Jacky^> oh. skunkworks are you clever in debug ?
[19:08:50] <Jacky^> really ?
[19:09:02] <skunkworks> I just find the bugs ;)
[19:09:12] <Jacky^> could you came here, please, just some week
[19:09:28] <Jacky^> to try to debug our country ? :P
[19:10:09] <Jacky^> skunkworks: where you from ?
[19:10:48] <skunkworks> us - WI - my wife would love to go to italy (think that is where you are)
[19:10:52] <skunkworks> she had been to spain
[19:11:01] <Jacky^> haha .. good :)
[19:11:12] <Jacky^> sorry.. but what is WI ?
[19:11:24] <Jacky^> the state ?
[19:11:49] <skunkworks> wisconsin
[19:12:00] <Jacky^> ah cool
[19:12:10] <Jacky^> beautiful place I suppose
[19:12:19] <Jacky^> yes, italy is nice too :)
[19:12:39] <Jacky^> the power of our country should be the tourism
[19:13:07] <Jacky^> this is not a beutiful country to live ..
[19:13:23] <Jacky^> just to visit then come back :D
[19:13:53] <Jacky^> it was .. a very nice country, but dozen of years ago
[19:14:01] <Jacky^> I mean to live in
[19:14:21] <Jacky^> skunkworks: have you been in EU ?
[19:14:44] <skunkworks> I have been to Ireland
[19:14:51] <Jacky^> nice :)
[19:14:59] <skunkworks> Pretty much other than the castles - looks like wisconsin ;)
[19:15:19] <Jacky^> ive a frind in my LUG he have been there .. in ireland
[19:15:39] <skunkworks> It was fun - flew into hethrow(sp) and then to ireland
[19:15:45] <Jacky^> he always talk good about ireland snack
[19:15:48] <Jacky^> :)
[19:16:21] <Jacky^> Ireland is the land of Bono, if I remember well
[19:16:28] <Jacky^> leader of U2 :P
[19:16:37] <Jacky^> I like rock music
[19:16:58] <skunkworks> we saw u2 in milwaukee wisconsin a few months ago - very good concert
[19:17:14] <skunkworks> wifes favorite band
[19:17:34] <Jacky^> yeah, I know . he also is in the times as person of the year :D
[19:17:44] <skunkworks> right
[19:17:45] <Jacky^> togheter with .. gates :/
[19:17:53] <skunkworks> he has done a lot of good
[19:17:59] <Jacky^> yeah
[19:17:59] <skunkworks> gates on the other hand ;)
[19:18:06] <Jacky^> really good rockstar
[19:18:33] <Jacky^> i like to play guitar, I just learn some song
[19:18:45] <Jacky^> as Sunday bloody Sunday :D
[19:19:27] <Jacky^> K4ts: like others style, like melodic music
[19:19:51] <skunkworks> I am not musical (well I sing in the shower).
[19:19:55] <Jacky^> shes a very nice singer
[19:20:16] <Jacky^> skunkworks: have you seen the latest news about virtual guitar ?
[19:20:23] <skunkworks> no
[19:20:36] <skunkworks> I also did not know that k4ts was a woman
[19:20:56] <Jacky^> hehe
[19:21:00] <Jacky^> http://airguitar.tml.hut.fi/tech.html
[19:21:42] <Jacky^> but isnt availabe for download yet :/
[19:22:51] <Jacky^> skunkworks: http://www.frappr.com/emctheenhancedmachinecontroller/photo/675281
[19:22:56] <Jacky^> shes K4ts :)
[19:23:08] <K4ts> yes i'm woman napoletana ah ah :-)
[19:23:18] <Jacky^> hahaha :P
[19:23:33] <skunkworks> ;) - I saw that and figured it was just a random photo. ;)
[19:23:34] <Jacky^> naples, woman maybe ..
[19:23:38] <Jacky^> im not sure
[19:24:31] <Jacky^> her real name is Anna
[19:24:40] <Jacky^> Anna Rita
[19:24:43] <Jacky^> hehehe
[19:24:52] <Jacky^> eh K4ts ?
[19:25:08] <Jacky^> my real name instead is Giacomo
[19:25:31] <Jacky^> maybe Jack or James in english I think
[19:26:19] <K4ts> yes i'm anna
[19:26:32] <skunkworks> neet - my name is samuel or sam
[19:26:47] <Jacky^> italian name is Samuele
[19:26:55] <skunkworks> ;)
[19:27:16] <Jacky^> I think it mean, 'who follow God'
[19:27:22] <Jacky^> or something like that
[19:28:09] <Jacky^> we have imported a lot of english names recently here
[19:28:26] <skunkworks> Samuel, from the Hebrew Shemuel (meaning Name of God or His Name is El)
[19:28:34] <Jacky^> Jessica, Deborah, John , etc ..
[19:28:43] <Jacky^> yeah
[19:29:10] <Jacky^> :-)
[19:29:16] <skunkworks> it is cyclic - I was the only one name sam when I was in school - now it is a popular name again
[19:29:39] <Jacky^> oh.. it happen ..
[19:29:51] <Jacky^> sometime they come back
[19:30:44] <Jacky^> but we lost the tradiction a bit
[19:31:04] <Jacky^> there ano peoples giving the name of the father to the son yet ..
[19:31:09] <Jacky^> are
[19:31:21] <skunkworks> one of my hobbies - http://www.electronicsam.com/images/cartt1.jpg turbocharged cars. ;)
[19:31:46] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/turbo/turbo.JPG
[19:31:51] <Jacky^> hehehe :P
[19:31:57] <Jacky^> nice car
[19:31:59] <skunkworks> My dads name is sam also - it is a pain
[19:32:23] <Jacky^> shoukld be the yours + junior ?
[19:32:39] <Jacky^> how do you made the difference otherwise ?
[19:32:51] <skunkworks> no - different middle names - that helped a bit (as far a confusion)
[19:33:12] <Jacky^> oh.. ok :)
[19:33:22] <Jacky^> infact .. also here is used
[19:33:36] <Jacky^> my sister have two names: Maria Giovanna
[19:33:50] <Jacky^> also K4ts Anna Rita
[19:34:45] <skunkworks> your english is very good - I am monolingual which sucks.
[19:35:24] <Jacky^> lol, my english ? :/
[19:35:53] <skunkworks> yes - I assume your native language is italian.
[19:36:04] <Jacky^> of course
[19:36:26] <Jacky^> I just know few words of english, I learn listen music
[19:36:51] <Jacky^> K4ts: know french quite well
[19:37:16] <Jacky^> now the things are changing
[19:38:00] <skunkworks> I can count in french (had french in high school) but that is about it.
[19:38:03] <Jacky^> the guys are starting to study english at 5 years old
[19:38:33] <Jacky^> I just did few hours lesson at week for some year
[19:38:38] <K4ts> comment ca va? skunkworks
[19:38:43] <skunkworks> what do you think about that - sometimes I think english is a virus ;)
[19:39:05] <Jacky^> I really love English
[19:39:12] <skunkworks> k4ts- over my head - only can count and only to 20 ;)
[19:40:05] <Jacky^> but its hard to get it working on my head
[19:40:22] <Jacky^> :)
[19:40:35] <skunkworks> it is hard to get working in my head also ;)
[19:40:39] <Jacky^> K4ts: isnt a teen
[19:40:54] <Jacky^> and im too
[19:41:28] <skunkworks> I ment I can only count to 20 in french
[19:41:29] <Jacky^> its difficult to learn another language up to 30 years old :(
[19:41:43] <Jacky^> skunkworks: undrestood
[19:41:54] <Jacky^> she cand do it in english :P
[19:41:59] <Jacky^> can*
[19:42:06] <skunkworks> I believe it - things get hard wired and hard to change
[19:42:17] <Jacky^> yeah
[19:43:00] <Jacky^> I think the best way to learn is to go in english countries
[19:43:11] <Jacky^> but not as a friend of mine did
[19:43:41] <Jacky^> he go there, and stay all the time with italian peoples speaking italian :P
[19:43:44] <Jacky^> hahaha
[19:43:59] <Jacky^> of course, he learn nothing
[19:44:59] <Jacky^> another base point is to have a good memory
[19:45:11] <skunkworks> that is cheating. wife knows spanish - (why she went to spain)
[19:45:14] <skunkworks> right
[19:45:36] <Jacky^> i smoke.. I really forget anything too fast ..
[19:45:46] <Jacky^> thats bad :/
[19:46:35] <skunkworks> we drove when we where in ireland - it was odd driving on the right side of the road ;)
[19:46:58] <Jacky^> :-)
[19:47:29] <Jacky^> instead, I really hope ill never meet a things like this in my life :
[19:47:40] <Jacky^> http://www.polesine.com/pagine/tempo/vacanze/a011.htm
[19:48:14] <Jacky^> for me its already difficult to drive at left side
[19:48:27] <Jacky^> if I meet a thing like that, im died
[19:48:29] <Jacky^> :D
[19:49:48] <Jacky^> look at the red car on the left of the pic, is 2 week tryng to comes out from the circle :/
[19:51:26] <Jacky^> he has been raped by the circle :(
[19:53:09] <Jacky^> K4ts: still there ?
[19:54:15] <Jacky^> mmhh busy with the dinner ?
[19:54:38] <K4ts> yes
[19:54:42] <Jacky^> K4ts: take the dinner as an enemy to destroy
[19:55:00] <Jacky^> :P
[19:57:01] <Jacky^> K4ts: pull down your dinner
[19:58:18] <K4ts> I go to paltalk
[19:58:25] <Jacky^> channel ?
[19:58:33] <K4ts> for sing
[19:58:43] <K4ts> ny
[19:58:43] <Jacky^> wich channel ?
[19:58:45] <K4ts> canal
[19:58:50] <K4ts> my
[19:59:05] <Jacky^> the yours ?
[19:59:08] <K4ts> my room
[19:59:23] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ booting vmware :P
[20:00:54] <Jacky^> mmhh scandisk file system is fat32 ...
[20:00:55] <K4ts> I try image
[20:00:57] <Jacky^> ghghghghg
[20:00:59] <Jacky^> :)
[20:01:04] <K4ts> lennon
[20:01:12] <Jacky^> wow
[20:01:34] <Jacky^> sould be nice ?
[20:02:02] <K4ts> yes
[20:02:44] <Jacky^> mmhh
[20:03:07] <Jacky^> lennon was a subversive man, I dont think too much peoples love him
[20:03:42] <Jacky^> men*
[20:04:16] <K4ts> your Paltalk works ?
[20:04:21] <Jacky^> anyway.. lets try to listen
[20:04:32] <Jacky^> K4ts: dont know yet
[20:04:56] <Jacky^> booting win xp , I hope 1 hour yet .. it will finish
[20:04:59] <Jacky^> wait ..
[20:06:19] <Jacky^> K4ts: yes, it work
[20:06:29] <K4ts> well
[20:06:47] <K4ts> italiani e brasiliani abbracciati nel mondo?
[20:06:55] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[20:07:05] <Jacky^> brazillll
[20:07:07] <Jacky^> :D
[20:07:51] <Jacky^> ouch the room is down
[20:08:03] <Jacky^> K4ts: choose another
[20:08:03] <K4ts> yes
[20:08:32] <Jacky^> except italia*
[20:08:34] <Jacky^> lol
[20:12:22] <Jacky^> well, first freeze in xp-paltalk
[20:12:31] <Jacky^> K4ts: re-invite please..
[20:26:21] <Jacky^> alex_joni: :)
[20:26:36] <alex_joni> :)
[20:27:23] <Jacky^> holidays time there ?
[20:27:34] <alex_joni> almost
[20:27:43] <Jacky^> good :P
[20:27:48] <alex_joni> I'll be at work tomorrow too, but after that it's holidays
[20:29:01] <Jacky^> nice :))
[20:38:26] <cradek> hi guys
[20:38:36] <cradek> happy almost-christmas for those who celebrate it
[20:38:39] <alex_joni> hey chris
[20:38:46] <alex_joni> still a few days left
[20:38:52] <alex_joni> guess what I'm getting? :D
[20:38:56] <cradek> yep
[20:39:07] <cradek> segmentation violation?
[20:39:12] <alex_joni> nope
[20:39:21] <alex_joni> a brand new Digital Rebel XT :)
[20:39:28] <alex_joni> I think I'll get it tomorrow
[20:39:54] <cradek> slick
[20:40:07] <alex_joni> yay
[20:40:19] <anonimasu> I HATE YOU!
[20:40:21] <anonimasu> *�"###########333
[20:40:31] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I am soo very very jealous
[20:40:31] <anonimasu> :D
[20:40:35] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I'll send you some pics I took :)
[20:40:48] <cradek> anonimasu: every day can be christmas if you have a credit card
[20:40:49] <anonimasu> I'll order my own soon
[20:40:56] <alex_joni> for now only the 18-55 and a 70-300
[20:41:06] <alex_joni> but later I might get some better lenses too :)
[20:41:22] <skunkworks> this is a digital slr?
[20:41:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:41:27] <alex_joni> cradek: yup, and if you can keep it away from a gf/wife
[20:41:28] <skunkworks> cool
[20:41:38] <alex_joni> skunkworks: canon eos 350
[20:42:34] <skunkworks> nice
[20:42:38] <skunkworks> very nice
[20:43:24] <alex_joni> not cheap though :)
[20:46:37] <anonimasu> stop whining ;)
[20:47:06] <skunkworks> cradek - is it going to be a lot of work to get the acceleration working do you thing?
[20:47:07] <alex_joni> anonimasu: just wanted to comfort you
[20:47:08] <skunkworks> think
[20:47:19] <alex_joni> skunkworks: he's on it
[20:47:42] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I've got money over for one, but I am trying to calm down until I acutally need one ;)
[20:47:53] <alex_joni> like I need it..
[20:47:54] <alex_joni> :)
[20:47:55] <cradek> skunkworks: I'm not sure. There are different solutions that I could try and I'm somewhat paralyzed by the choices.
[20:48:01] <anonimasu> next summer when I'll be on the road..
[20:48:11] <skunkworks> cradek - I have had the problem ;)
[20:48:15] <anonimasu> alex_joni: photoblog ;)
[20:48:31] <anonimasu> alex_joni: you do need one :D
[20:49:28] <skunkworks> I read what you and swp where talking about when I left last night. sounds like a mess - I laughed when you said the macro ended in an "else" ;)
[20:50:33] <cradek> yep, it does
[20:51:01] <cradek> I hope someone cares about those interpreter bugs, because I'm pretty sure I don't want to look for them.
[20:51:45] <skunkworks> I am not 100% sure but I think it did it before the lerman interp was integrated
[20:52:17] <cradek> maybe, but I would be surprised, since the bug is not in emc1 and I'm not sure what else has changed
[20:52:41] <skunkworks> I guess we could go back and test.
[20:53:21] <alex_joni> skunkworks: again, if someone cares enough :D
[20:53:55] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:54:45] <cradek> skunkworks: do you know C?
[20:54:57] <Jacky^> bleah C :/
[20:54:57] <skunkworks> barely
[20:55:01] <Jacky^> cradek: ?
[20:55:09] <Jacky^> Ruby :P
[20:55:14] <cradek> skunkworks: that's good enough for the interpreter
[20:55:32] <cradek> (it's barely written in C)
[20:55:32] <skunkworks> the last time I used it was borland c++ about 10 years ago
[20:55:36] <skunkworks> ;)
[20:55:41] <jepler> the interpreter is barely .. oh wait, that's what cradek just said
[20:55:45] <cradek> haha
[20:55:57] <cradek> smart minds think alike ... and so do we
[20:56:16] <skunkworks> what I know about c and javascript should get me through? ;)
[20:56:33] <cradek> probably
[20:57:03] <cradek> so let us know when you've fixed it!
[20:57:28] <alex_joni> I think javascript would be better for the interp
[20:57:44] <alex_joni> that would match up the bad shape it is in :)
[20:58:01] <jepler> I have a version around here somewhere that was written in Python
[20:58:12] <jepler> the very first version of axis used it, not the interpreter from emc
[20:58:20] <alex_joni> jepler: I remember
[20:58:38] <alex_joni> I was around at that time :) and I followed how it went
[20:58:53] <skunkworks> what made you change back to the emc interp?
[20:59:16] <cradek> bug-for-bug compatibility is important for a previewer
[20:59:22] <anonimasu> haha
[20:59:28] <cradek> I'm 100% serious
[20:59:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is hacking sources on a bsd box
[20:59:33] <anonimasu> I am amazed.. the ports wont work..
[20:59:45] <cradek> writing another interpreter (based on the spec) isn't good enough
[21:01:48] <anonimasu> :)
[21:08:28] <jepler> cradek has it exactly right
[21:17:00] <alex_joni> jepler: just noticed your thanks ;)
[21:17:44] <jepler> alex_joni: for the emc1 work? yes, and thanks again
[21:18:09] <alex_joni> no problem.. it was good the board came to that conclusion
[21:18:23] <alex_joni> soon (if cradek does it :P) we'll have an emc1 release
[21:18:36] <alex_joni> and maybe you pack up a specific AXIS version to go with that
[21:18:44] <alex_joni> and we place them both at SF for download
[21:24:08] <cradek> me??
[21:24:40] <alex_joni> :P
[21:24:44] <Jacky^> mplayer /mnt/condivisa/kc/KC\ And\ The\ Sunshine\ Band/Story/04\ -\ Track0.mpc
[21:24:49] <Jacky^> ops
[21:24:52] <Jacky^> sorry
[21:24:55] <Jacky^> :D
[22:00:17] <K`zan> Hye cradek
[22:00:27] <cradek> hello
[22:11:17] <K`zan> You inspired me :-). Started journalling this little adventure: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/CNC/GantryRouterProject/
[22:11:24] <K`zan> Slow progress, but fun :-).
[22:12:35] <alex_joni> I'm off
[22:12:39] <alex_joni> catch you later guys
[22:12:53] <Jacky^> :-)
[22:17:39] <fenn> you will learn a lot, but with much suffering
[22:18:04] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:18:09] <Jacky^> fenn: :D
[22:18:12] <fenn> I recommend finding a source of scrap plastic, like from a sign maker or a plastics distributor
[22:19:01] <fenn> use nuts and bolts, or tapped holes, and forget brazing or gluing
[22:19:05] <K`zan> fenn: :-) you got that right :-), but one pays for the education one way or the other.
[22:19:29] <fenn> although "grouted construction" as les calls it has some merits
[22:19:38] <K`zan> fenn: Yeah, just getting stuff cut is a big enough job :-/.
[22:19:53] <fenn> plastic is really easy to cut with a wood saw or a hacksaw
[22:20:14] <fenn> you can tap it for bolts, and it's dimensionally stable
[22:20:14] <K`zan> My little electic jigsaw us easier than the manual one, but it wanders too much no matter how much I try.
[22:20:39] <K`zan> That is an idea, just need to find a source of affordable decent plastic.
[22:20:39] <fenn> extruded aluminum is really not good stuff to use
[22:20:47] <K`zan> hehe, so I noticed.
[22:21:08] <fenn> try to find a signmaker or plastics supplier and ask if you can dig in their trash, or if they're throwing out stuff to save it for you
[22:21:13] <K`zan> my hands are still weak after the adventure with "drilling holes" in that 1/8" piece :-).
[22:21:54] <fenn> try drilling a ring of holes and then enlarging those holes to actually cut out the final shape
[22:21:57] <K`zan> Will look around here, sure should be someone around this area.
[22:22:26] <K`zan> fenn: I thought I had, but 4 big ones should have been 50 little ones :).
[22:22:44] <fenn> right
[22:25:01] <K`zan> I can to some degree "route: with the drill in the drill press and that would have been smarter even if it was no less time consuming.
[22:25:28] <fenn> not really
[22:25:51] <fenn> drill bits are designed to stay centered in the hole, the sides aren't sharp enough to really cut anything
[22:25:57] <K`zan> That burr that came with the dremel type tool sure did help. I don't have anywhere the number of files I really need.
[22:26:30] <K`zan> It worked enough to break through the holes, but it was indeed SLOW going and difficult too.
[22:27:00] <fenn> you can do some very light milling with an endmill in the chuck, but there's a good possibility it will dislodge the drill chuck from the spindle and send the chuck and endmill flying
[22:27:32] <fenn> "plunge roughing" with an endmill is probably the best compromise
[22:28:01] <fenn> you need a vise or some kind of clamp though
[22:28:04] <K`zan> I was originally going to make this on a cutting board (frame was the important part) that I found in a thrift store: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/CNC/v200510271715-005.jpg
[22:28:32] <K`zan> Should have thought of that, I guess, I do have a 1/8" end mill left over from somewhere :-).
[22:29:16] <K`zan> Considering getting that X-Y table from Enco, even that would help with that cheap drill press.
[22:29:47] <fenn> instant pcb mill
[22:29:58] <fenn> well, theoretically
[22:29:59] <K`zan> I did try putzing some with the end mill in the drill press, but it was VERY jerky.
[22:30:18] <K`zan> Yeah, for about $100, it does open up possibilities.
[22:30:46] <K`zan> Not much room to clamp much of anything either on the little work table or the base of that thing.
[22:31:25] <K`zan> It was so bad, that running the press for over a minute the motor really started stinking and getting really hot. Replaced the motor and that helped a lot.
[22:32:07] <K`zan> Still as sloppy as the quill is, it is a LOT better than nothing :) and worth the whole $49 we paid for it :).
[22:32:41] <K`zan> Tolerances on that thing can be best described as "BB in a boxcar" :-).
[22:33:00] <fenn> it's kinda amazing what you can do with it once you get good
[22:33:43] <fenn> always drill into a square surface, centerpunch, start with a small pilot drill, and there's not a whole lot to go wrong
[22:33:44] <K`zan> True, adjusted the slop out as best I could and am very slow doing anything with it, otherwise it is pretty much going to be a big mess :).
[22:34:54] <K`zan> I need to get new drill bits, I think I made a mistake with the "centering bits" I got, once you drill anything with them, since they are about square on the bottom (except for the centering part) you don't drill into that with another.
[22:35:42] <fenn> those probably were intended for wood and will go dull quickly anyway
[22:36:12] <fenn> you mean "brad point" right?
[22:37:13] <K`zan> AH, not sure, got them a while back before I discovered the center punch, each bit comes with one :).
[22:46:22] <Jacky^> uhm
[22:46:45] <Jacky^> this nick sound new to me
[22:46:51] <Jacky^> Jymm: ??
[22:47:02] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as Jymmmm
[22:47:07] <Jacky^> :D
[22:47:14] <Jacky^> ok now
[22:47:15] <jtr> K'zahn: look like this? http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=42247&cat=1,180,42240
[22:48:32] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as ImInNoMoodForBS
[22:49:03] <Jacky^> ugh.. what mean ? :(
[22:49:12] <Jacky^> wait ..
[22:49:41] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ launch jhonny the ripper
[22:50:02] <Jacky^> attempt to decript ImInNoMoodForBS
[22:50:06] <Jacky^> :P
[22:50:43] <fenn> kzan this is the construction method i'm imagining: http://www.buildyouridea.com/cnc/pcbmill/pcbmill.html
[22:50:58] <jtr> K'zan: sorry about the additional "h". just got a chow call. back later
[22:51:08] <jtr> jtr is now known as jtr_away
[22:51:21] <Jacky^> Jymmm: :))
[22:58:03] <ImInNoMoodForBS> ImInNoMoodForBS is now known as Jymmm
[22:58:40] <fenn> you ever get a straight answer about mid-band resonance and geckos?
[22:58:43] <Jacky^> :D
[22:59:32] <Jacky^> fenn: I already have 3 geckos here.. never tried yet !
[22:59:34] <Jacky^> :(
[22:59:37] <Jymmm> To be honest, no. What I can hold him to, yes.
[23:01:15] <Jacky^> Jymmm: I thank you for let me heard a beautiful word !
[23:01:22] <Jacky^> honest*
[23:01:33] <Jymmm> ?
[23:01:36] <Jacky^> I was thinking is in disuse
[23:01:40] <Jacky^> :(
[23:01:48] <Jacky^> obsolet
[23:01:49] <fenn> hon- what? is that english?
[23:01:52] <Jacky^> :)
[23:01:58] <Jymmm> Jacky^ I dont understand what you're trying to convey
[23:02:16] <Jacky^> nahh you understand :P
[23:02:56] <Jacky^> I sayd 'honest' sound like a very nice word to me
[23:03:05] <Jacky^> in the latest time I mean ..
[23:03:09] <Jacky^> understand ?
[23:03:11] <Jacky^> :)
[23:03:48] <Jacky^> Im not talking about you !
[23:03:53] <Jacky^> in general
[23:03:55] <Jacky^> :(
[23:04:09] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[23:04:13] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:04:19] <Jacky^> :)
[23:04:41] <Jacky^> anonimasu: why you cry ?
[23:04:52] <anonimasu> because you are not making sense
[23:05:00] <Jacky^> really ?
[23:05:03] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:05:13] <Jacky^> cant you understand yhe sense ?
[23:05:15] <Jacky^> :(
[23:05:19] <Jacky^> ouch
[23:05:29] <Jacky^> serious
[23:05:46] <anonimasu> I am serious
[23:05:59] <Jacky^> yes, I know
[23:06:04] <Jacky^> im kidding
[23:07:23] <Jacky^> ?
[23:08:31] <Jacky^> anonimasu: whats the problem ?
[23:09:05] <Jacky^> :(
[23:09:27] <Jacky^> cant understand ..
[23:10:59] <Jacky^> anonimasu: just kidding
[23:11:09] <Jacky^> yeah ?
[23:12:31] <fenn> Jacky^: just let it go, man
[23:12:52] <Jacky^> sorry ..
[23:15:26] <fenn> All man's miseries arise from not being able to sit quietly in a room alone. - Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
[23:16:00] <Jacky^> oh.. no
[23:16:21] <Jacky^> this is not the time to fight for something, really
[23:17:12] <Jacky^> there are a lot of other peoples fighting
[23:17:12] <anonimasu> hm.. so anyone done any machining lately?
[23:17:30] <Jacky^> :)
[23:17:45] <Jacky^> anonimasu: not in this time
[23:18:16] <Jacky^> im planning to start the next job in the next year
[23:18:21] <Jacky^> :D
[23:18:26] <K4ts> Jacky^: query
[23:18:35] <Jacky^> K4ts: yeah ..
[23:20:33] <Jacky^> anonimasu: aniway, sorry
[23:20:52] <anonimasu> dont worry about it
[23:20:58] <Jacky^> ok
[23:27:04] <fenn> interesting.. accelerometers are being used to automatically adjust speeds in response to tool chatter or to detect tool breakage
[23:27:48] <anonimasu> yep
[23:29:06] <fenn> is there anywhere to get strain gages cheap? or is it mainly a r&d type thing that is expensive no matter what
[23:29:48] <anonimasu> no clue about that
[23:30:43] <fenn> they look pretty simple to make out of plain old PCB board actually
[23:33:21] <anonimasu> hm, I have no idea how they work
[23:33:47] <anonimasu> or well yeah, but not how you could make them ;)
[23:34:28] <fenn> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7531438906&indexURL=2#ebayphotohosting
[23:34:50] <fenn> scroll down
[23:36:12] <Jymmm> http://www.omega.com/literature/transactions/volume3/strain.html
[23:37:48] <Jymmm> three pages
[23:39:41] <fenn> i took apart a broken analytical scale once, it was just an aluminum beam with some holes in it and a strain gauge on it
[23:40:23] <anonimasu> hm ok
[23:41:46] <anonimasu> hm
[23:41:49] <anonimasu> I need to sleep
[23:41:59] <anonimasu> my brain stopped working a while ago
[23:58:11] <K4ts> night
[23:58:40] <Jacky^> nG nite K4ts