#emc | Logs for 2005-11-03

[00:03:34] <rayh> Great. Good to hear Lawrence.
[00:04:33] <LawrenceG> rayh, how have ya been..... sounds like you were working on the Mazak
[00:05:37] <rayh> Yes I was. And the project is going well.
[00:06:02] <LawrenceG> I sure am interested in the classic ladder stuff
[00:06:09] <rayh> I believe that we have the tools now to make these machines go.
[00:06:28] <rayh> I'll have a wiki page up describing how you can run it there with a single parport.
[00:06:41] <rayh> Some sample files I just completed.
[00:06:51] <fenn> cradek what was the url you attempted to put into coding style supposed to be? someting like www.red-bean/cvsbook
[00:07:16] <LawrenceG> cool... I would like to add spindle and coolant controls to my desktop shoptask
[00:08:16] <fenn> ah n/m it's cvsbook.red-bean.com
[00:11:56] <rayh> I'll post a note to the lists when I get the page roughed out.
[00:22:22] <fenn> * fenn is updating the emc2 install wiki pages
[00:27:19] <fenn> speak up if you are against me destroying the BDI-4 EMC2 compile page, since I think it's dumb
[00:27:53] <fenn> it's collecting driftwood and cobwebs
[00:29:58] <icee> i think i used it
[00:30:09] <icee> to get lists of packages to apt-get
[00:30:13] <icee> (incomplete, but as a first pass)
[00:30:42] <Jacky^> night
[00:30:50] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[00:32:55] <rayh> It does still work for 4.20 but some of the later releases did most of the work of installing the packages needed to compile.
[00:34:23] <icee> i still had to find a bunch, and i'm on 4.30
[00:34:35] <fenn> what is N.B. ?
[00:34:37] <LawrenceG> fenn, I am using that config for my running system
[00:34:51] <icee> hey lg
[00:34:56] <LawrenceG> hi
[00:35:24] <LawrenceG> just watching axis drill a pcb (simulated)
[00:35:47] <fenn> icee: remember which packages you needed?
[00:35:54] <icee> fenn: nope
[00:36:43] <LawrenceG> crap ... it died again... not sure if its my opengl stuff or what, but I have to kill axis from the console window
[00:37:34] <LawrenceG> icee, do you have axis running?
[00:37:37] <icee> yah
[00:38:03] <LawrenceG> want me to send you the latest pcb milling and drill files
[00:38:21] <icee> lg: I likely won't mill/drill, but just build it on perfboard
[00:38:43] <LawrenceG> Its a neat demo on axis....
[00:38:47] <icee> I would like to hear that it works, though, before I go duplicating effort experimenting
[00:39:08] <LawrenceG> yes... me too... I was supposed to be in the shop today
[00:39:39] <LawrenceG> If it works, Ican mill you a board and mail it to you
[00:40:00] <icee> lg: that'd be cool. But we're getting late enough in the game I may just perfboard it
[00:40:04] <LawrenceG> (I guess I should say when it works)
[00:40:26] <icee> lg: when you have a few minutes I have something for you to double check
[00:40:41] <LawrenceG> sure... fire away
[00:40:48] <icee> msg'd to you
[00:42:37] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG looking
[00:42:57] <Jymmm> * Jymmm too
[00:43:09] <jepler> fenn: N.B. means "please note". I think it stands for something like "nota bene" (latin?)
[00:43:19] <fenn> is that common knowledge?
[00:43:35] <Jymmm> News Bulletin
[00:43:43] <icee> fenn: it's become somewhat archaic, but it was
[00:43:46] <fenn> "neato buzzword" :{
[00:43:55] <icee> 'note well'
[00:44:01] <jepler> fenn: I'd agree with icee. You might say "N.B." to show you're smarter than average.
[00:44:31] <jepler> LawrenceG/icee: what's the board you're working on?
[00:44:44] <icee> jepler: the controller for the 3 phase AC servos
[00:45:00] <jepler> that project is going well?
[00:45:02] <djb_rh> icee: oh, I got my servos today
[00:45:14] <icee> j: very well. should have some pieces working before long.
[00:45:20] <icee> djb: yah? how do they look?
[00:45:25] <djb_rh> unboxed one...it was slightly underwhelming. I haven't seen my mill in a year, but I could swear the drive motors were bigger
[00:45:37] <djb_rh> but that could be because they are old
[00:45:41] <djb_rh> and things were bigger back then
[00:45:42] <djb_rh> :)
[00:45:49] <icee> * icee nods
[00:45:52] <icee> I haven't seen the 300W motors
[00:46:07] <rayh> catch you all later.
[00:46:15] <djb_rh> well, when your controller blows one of mine up, I'll ship it to you. ;-)
[00:46:24] <icee> haha. Hoping to have no motors blow up
[00:46:30] <djb_rh> yeah, I'm kidding
[00:46:36] <LawrenceG> jepler, I am building a programmer for the dspic chips we plan on using on the 3 phase servo board (icee and myself)
[00:46:43] <icee> and since i'm testing, it'll probably be mine that blow up if any do :/
[00:46:55] <djb_rh> maybe you should have gotten some 300W ones, too
[00:47:05] <icee> yah.. i'm thinking about it
[00:47:11] <icee> i think they may still have a couple
[00:47:35] <icee> 23 in stock.. heh
[00:47:37] <fenn> i've got a scrapyard 500W 3-phase brushless servo here, i wonder if i should test it on that first
[00:47:38] <djb_rh> if I ever get around to building my bender I'll use something smaller, I'm sure
[00:47:53] <fenn> a cnc tube bender?
[00:48:02] <djb_rh> well, more of a wire bender
[00:48:12] <djb_rh> steel rod up to like 3/16" is all I need
[00:48:24] <fenn> wire is a lot easier to bend than tube
[00:48:27] <djb_rh> yeah
[00:48:44] <icee> djb: The power feed on new bridgeports uses 200W servos; so I'd think nice 300W AC servos should be plenty for low performance milling
[00:49:12] <djb_rh> I only care to deal with soft arcs relative to diameter, as well as short runs (nothing more than 3' long) so I think the "tool" will be pretty simple
[00:49:17] <djb_rh> icee: ah, okay
[00:49:34] <djb_rh> hope to move my mill back home next week
[00:49:41] <djb_rh> still curious if it has steppers or servos now
[00:49:44] <djb_rh> I'm hoping AC servos
[00:49:45] <djb_rh> :)
[00:49:53] <djb_rh> but not holding my breath
[00:50:05] <jepler> you don't remember, or you hope somebody's upgraded it in the meantime?
[00:50:17] <djb_rh> it's never run since I got it
[00:50:22] <djb_rh> never even tried
[00:50:27] <jepler> ah
[00:50:34] <djb_rh> it's got some old PC with 2 8" floppy drives
[00:50:39] <djb_rh> so it's *old*
[00:50:43] <icee> djb: even if you have DC servos, the stuff we're building will be able to drive it
[00:50:45] <djb_rh> well, in CNC years
[00:50:51] <icee> though the software will have to change
[00:50:59] <djb_rh> interesting
[00:51:14] <jepler> is there a relationship between wattage of a servo and the torque in N-m or oz-in ? Units shows me that there's a leftover "per second" in there
[00:51:28] <djb_rh> if it's steppers, are there EMC compatible control boxes that would pretty much work out of the box with some wiring?
[00:51:35] <djb_rh> like off-the-shelf controllers
[00:51:44] <icee> j: power is torque * speed
[00:51:45] <djb_rh> (yes, I'm a noob at this)
[00:52:02] <jepler> djb_rh: yes, there are various boxes you can buy more or less complete
[00:52:19] <icee> j: since most AC servos run at similar speeds, yes, there's a rough relationship
[00:52:24] <djb_rh> jepler: pointers?
[00:52:46] <jepler> djb_rh: well, I hesitate to point you at anything in particular since I've never used any of them.
[00:53:01] <djb_rh> I'd have to guess this thing has a usable power supply already
[00:53:11] <djb_rh> since it did work at one time
[00:53:19] <jepler> djb_rh: one is "xylotex".
[00:53:28] <icee> j: he's got a full size mill
[00:53:38] <icee> so if he has steppers, he has ones that are too big for the xylotex boxes
[00:53:46] <jepler> yeah, this stuff is more in the hobbyist league
[00:53:51] <jepler> with minimills
[00:53:55] <icee> djb: there's things like the gecko stepper drivers
[00:54:16] <djb_rh> ah, okay
[00:54:31] <jepler> what's gecko? 4A 80V or something?
[00:54:38] <icee> j: don't know
[00:54:51] <icee> 7A 80V, supposedly
[00:54:55] <djb_rh> well, after my body recovers from whatever pain that thing inflicts when I move it, I'll investigate further what it has one it
[00:54:57] <icee> that can run some decent steppers.
[00:54:57] <djb_rh> on it
[00:54:58] <jepler> yeah, that's what the website says
[00:55:04] <jepler> once again I haven't used those
[00:55:27] <djb_rh> loading at the other end will be easy because they have a forklift that can handle it
[00:55:37] <djb_rh> the only forks I have that can handle it are on the front of my backhoe
[00:55:38] <icee> djb: One thing you're going to have to figure out is how to make the motor mounts
[00:55:52] <icee> djb: selecting bearings, coupling to the leadscrew, etc.
[00:55:52] <djb_rh> icee: I'm hoping the mini-mill and mini-lathe help with that
[00:55:57] <djb_rh> ah, yeah
[00:56:05] <icee> axial alignment is pretty important, too
[00:56:20] <djb_rh> yippee
[00:56:40] <djb_rh> I'm sure it'll be a hell of an education
[00:56:57] <icee> yah.. I'm willing to help out with what I know, but I've never done it on this scale before.
[00:57:00] <djb_rh> fortunately I have wifi near my machine shop
[00:57:13] <djb_rh> listen to me
[00:57:24] <djb_rh> I have wifi near the large shop bay that is to become my machine shop
[00:57:29] <djb_rh> I'm talking like I'm a machinist already
[00:57:46] <djb_rh> I can do basic welding and can run a couple different metal cutoff saws
[00:58:01] <djb_rh> oh, and a drill press
[00:58:07] <icee> djb: can you do good cartesian math?
[00:58:10] <djb_rh> so I got that going for me
[00:58:30] <djb_rh> you mean like the stuff they teach you in geometry class that most people got no clue about?
[00:58:37] <icee> djb: yah, pretty much.
[00:58:48] <djb_rh> well, I got a 103 average in my hs geometry class
[00:58:57] <djb_rh> and I own and know how to use an HP48sx
[00:59:01] <djb_rh> I'll get by
[00:59:04] <icee> simple trig, pythagoreas, etc. figuring out how the handwheels should turn to make a given pattern
[00:59:07] <djb_rh> :)
[00:59:07] <icee> well, that's the hard part.
[00:59:30] <djb_rh> yeah, I understand that stuff
[00:59:41] <djb_rh> I was even thinking about arcs and such with the fourth axis last night
[00:59:53] <icee> the second hardest part is keeping good counts of handwheel revolutions while very distracted by the cutting, your plan for series of events, etc.. but that mostly goes away with CNC ;)
[00:59:55] <djb_rh> makes sense
[01:00:04] <djb_rh> yeah
[01:00:08] <djb_rh> I can see that
[01:00:21] <djb_rh> I was sitting there thinking about how hard it would be to cut an arc on a three axis machine by hand
[01:00:46] <Jymmm> djb_rh: the girls would love if you could
[01:00:52] <djb_rh> lol
[01:00:58] <fenn> djb_rh: you would use a rotary table
[01:01:05] <djb_rh> fenn: yeah, I know
[01:01:13] <icee> for those things that you can setup nicely on a rotary table
[01:01:18] <djb_rh> yeah
[01:01:21] <fenn> djb_rh: if it makes you feel better, i was going to move a van norman with nothing more than a couple come-alongs and some rollers
[01:01:28] <fenn> but then someone got it before me
[01:01:36] <djb_rh> heh
[01:02:23] <fenn> * fenn goes braindead every time he tries to edit the wiki..
[01:02:38] <Jymmm> fenn get the hint! =)
[01:05:01] <Jymmm> WIKIS ARE ICKY!
[01:05:43] <fenn> usemod is icky
[01:23:24] <fenn> wow mars is bright
[01:30:49] <fenn> * fenn kicks usemod
[01:42:06] <fenn> * fenn kicks usemod again
[01:55:13] <cncuser> hmmm
[01:55:19] <cncuser> welllwelll
[01:58:19] <cncuser> time to sleep
[02:09:48] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[02:09:51] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[02:10:38] <fenn> arg this wiki is so out of date
[02:18:46] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[02:18:46] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[03:48:14] <CIA-6> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: modified motion controller to force position command equal to feedback when controller is disabled - this prevents disturbances when enabling with non-zero feedback, and makes it easier to recover from following errors
[03:51:12] <fenn> * fenn hates usemod
[03:51:20] <fenn> in the transitive sense
[04:31:53] <fenn> wtf is up with cvs?
[05:39:44] <CIA-6> 03paul_c * 10emc2-auto/wiki/ (12 files in 10 dirs): "Auto update wiki from a cron job. Wed Nov 2 05:30:02 GMT 2005 "
[07:00:51] <fenn> damn cvs server
[07:00:59] <fenn> is it working for anyone else?
[07:05:00] <fenn> well at least sf knows it's borked
[08:58:35] <alex_joni> morning.. anyone around?
[09:19:34] <fenn> * fenn grumbles and mumbles
[09:19:48] <alex_joni> wot?
[09:19:52] <alex_joni> puppy not barking?
[09:20:40] <fenn> should i post a nomination to both lists?
[09:20:55] <alex_joni> why not? for whom?
[09:21:01] <fenn> zwisk
[09:21:20] <alex_joni> nomination can't be bad..
[09:21:56] <fenn> the post has a lot of explanation about why i nominated him and sorta gets into internal politics.. well, you can jjust read it eh
[09:22:26] <alex_joni> right
[09:22:43] <fenn> * fenn is shivering cold dammit
[09:22:49] <alex_joni> I surely will read it .. :)
[09:23:04] <alex_joni> why?
[09:23:26] <fenn> cause it's november and i live in a basement, and i need a mousepad heater
[09:23:35] <fenn> or maybe a heated mouse, whichever is easier
[09:23:47] <alex_joni> lol.. use a P4 mouse
[09:23:51] <alex_joni> with processor inside
[09:23:52] <alex_joni> :D
[09:25:10] <fenn> i considered nominating myself to see what the signal/noise ratio is in the whole election thingamabob
[09:26:03] <fenn> i think the whole board/election process should be disappeared
[09:26:12] <fenn> none of it really concerns the end user
[09:26:28] <fenn> and the rest we can come to an agreement on, surely
[09:26:41] <fenn> developers that is
[09:26:58] <alex_joni> yup.. probably
[09:29:40] <fenn> and i wish all the documentation and the website could just get dumped into the wiki
[09:29:56] <fenn> so it would eventually get sorted into the right places
[09:30:04] <alex_joni> hmm.. makes it hard to download for the end-user
[09:30:12] <alex_joni> most prefer a pdf manual
[09:30:15] <alex_joni> they can print out
[09:30:39] <alex_joni> btw, speaking of the dark side.. did you see the documentation on mach?
[09:30:48] <fenn> no i've never even looked at mach
[09:33:03] <alex_joni> http://www.machsupport.com/videos.htm
[09:33:48] <fenn> hey look at that - documentation for how to actually USE the program
[09:34:47] <alex_joni> hmm.. reading your mail
[09:34:58] <alex_joni> there are actually project admins.. for the project
[09:35:28] <fenn> i know, so why do we need a board and project admins?
[09:37:29] <alex_joni> I finished reading your email...
[09:37:41] <alex_joni> you have some good points.. in a perfect world that would be it
[09:37:57] <alex_joni> "2. to allocate responsibility within the boundaries of a project by setting up
[09:37:57] <alex_joni> subdomains and putting people in charge of them, and to define the interface
[09:37:57] <alex_joni> between those subdomains, - for instance HAL, motion, GUI, etc.
[09:38:08] <fenn> i know, not so easy
[09:38:09] <alex_joni> how many active developers are there?
[09:38:14] <alex_joni> do you have a picture?
[09:38:22] <fenn> uh, 3?
[09:39:32] <fenn> you, jmk, and rayh do 99% of the work, and I dont know how you do it
[09:39:58] <fenn> * fenn can't ever get anything done
[09:40:10] <alex_joni> I see 11 categories in the bug support system
[09:41:29] <alex_joni> kinda hard to assign 5 people to 11
[09:41:33] <alex_joni> not wanting to say 3
[09:43:03] <alex_joni> heh: http://www.welsoft.co.uk/machlathe/hs490.htm
[09:44:57] <fenn> probably would've taken less time to do it automatically than to write that article
[09:45:20] <alex_joni> which article?
[09:45:48] <fenn> the numeric keyboard pendant one
[09:46:05] <alex_joni> ahh.. I only found it interesting as an idea
[09:46:24] <alex_joni> works nicely on emc too, Jymmm reported iirc
[09:46:35] <fenn> i wanted to do that but i ran out of ps/2 slots
[09:46:48] <fenn> i suppose there is some kind of tee fitting
[09:46:57] <alex_joni> USB?
[09:47:11] <fenn> well, i've got the ps/2 keypad sitting right here
[09:47:16] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok then ;)
[09:47:23] <fenn> i had a usb keyboard but it was flaky
[09:47:24] <alex_joni> get an usb/ps2 adapter
[09:47:25] <alex_joni> :)
[09:47:32] <alex_joni> it's <2$
[09:48:07] <fenn> keyboards seem to go bad quickly around here
[09:49:48] <alex_joni> I'm away for a while
[09:49:55] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_away
[10:02:04] <fenn> alex_joni_away: tell me what you think about this: http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converter/
[10:03:11] <fenn> thinking about writing a g-code module for it
[10:03:36] <fenn> * fenn goes to bed.
[10:21:42] <anonimasu> hi
[10:50:05] <cncuser> hello
[11:05:16] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[11:05:35] <Jacky^> morning
[11:27:07] <cncuser> morning jacky
[11:33:46] <alex_joni_away> alex_joni_away is now known as alex_joni
[11:34:00] <cncuser> hello alex_joni
[11:34:14] <alex_joni> hello
[12:04:10] <Jacky^> hi les_w :P
[12:04:16] <les_w> hi jacky
[12:04:34] <Jacky^> how the things are going ?
[12:05:04] <les_w> oh, ok just another day of work.
[12:05:11] <Jacky^> :-))
[12:05:21] <Jacky^> its just another day ..
[12:05:24] <Jacky^> ;-)
[12:05:41] <Jacky^> im writing some html page
[12:05:53] <les_w> oh good!
[12:05:56] <Jacky^> hehe
[12:06:18] <Jacky^> waiting replys too, for motors I need
[12:06:39] <Jacky^> yesterday was holiday here
[12:06:48] <Jacky^> there too ?
[12:08:24] <Jacky^> uhmm
[12:08:50] <Jacky^> i'm including some pics from linucnc website in my html page
[12:09:01] <Jacky^> not sure about (c)
[12:09:12] <Jacky^> i will ask to steve ..
[12:09:15] <Jacky^> :)
[12:09:34] <cncuser> is there a emc2 logo or something ?
[12:09:53] <Jacky^> nope, not a logo,
[12:10:09] <Jacky^> this image http://www.linuxcnc.org/Gallery/index.html
[12:10:17] <Jacky^> not sure its a logo .. :/
[12:10:32] <Jacky^> maybe
[12:10:51] <cncuser> no its not
[12:10:56] <Jacky^> ok
[12:10:59] <cncuser> there is a mascot
[12:11:08] <cncuser> the tux with the hammer
[12:11:09] <Jacky^> oh, yeah
[12:11:13] <Jacky^> i know
[12:11:22] <Jacky^> i prefer the other
[12:11:35] <cncuser> prefeo to what ?
[12:11:43] <Jacky^> as image
[12:11:53] <cncuser> ic
[12:11:55] <Jacky^> in my home page
[15:05:19] <rayh> got a curious one -- a BDI 2.18 system didn't want to show the kde desktop after a 2 week vacation.
[15:06:19] <rayh> logged in as root on the <control><alt><F2> terminal and ran updatedb
[15:06:44] <rayh> maloc error -- something about missing a few bytes.
[15:07:07] <rayh> got a clue?
[17:03:52] <Jacky^> who know a very easy html editor for linux ?
[17:04:01] <Jacky^> for newbie
[17:04:21] <ValarQ> scite or maybe gedit
[17:04:42] <Jacky^> hi ValarQ thats ok.. for who know html ..
[17:05:03] <Jacky^> i meant something like frontpage (for windoze)
[17:05:08] <ValarQ> ok?
[17:05:26] <Jacky^> tried openoffice but wont work at all
[17:05:43] <ValarQ> tried kupu?
[17:05:48] <Jacky^> nope
[17:05:58] <Jacky^> looking
[17:06:08] <ValarQ> http://www.infrae.com/products/kupu_editor
[17:06:30] <Jacky^> zope-kupu - cross-browser document-centric WYSIWYG editor for zope
[17:06:35] <Jacky^> is that ?
[17:06:49] <ValarQ> er, not a pure html editor maybe...
[17:08:14] <Jacky^> Im tryng to draw a very simply home page
[17:08:19] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/
[17:08:30] <Jacky^> bu i'm having a lot of issue
[17:08:51] <Jacky^> banner on the right gon on penguing logo on the left ..
[17:08:53] <Jacky^> :/
[17:09:36] <Jacky^> looking for an easy html editor
[17:22:54] <Jacky^> morning Jymmm
[17:23:10] <Jymmm> mornin
[17:47:23] <Jacky^> Jymmm: do you have IE 6.0 there ??
[18:11:01] <anonimasu> hi
[18:11:19] <Jacky^> hey anonimasu
[19:10:27] <zwisk> wow... it's a party on #emc all the sudden! :)
[19:11:39] <jepler> but nobody's saying anything
[19:48:28] <fenn> * fenn yawns
[19:48:37] <alex_joni> evening all
[19:48:37] <fenn> yeah it's a party alright
[19:48:45] <alex_joni> fenn: where?
[19:48:49] <fenn> on #emc
[19:48:54] <alex_joni> coo
[19:51:57] <k4ts> hello
[19:52:12] <Jacky^> hey k4ts
[19:52:55] <rayh> Hi guys
[19:53:33] <Jacky^> hi rayh
[19:55:26] <alex_joni> hello ray
[19:56:14] <k4ts> alex_joni hi
[19:56:33] <alex_joni> hello
[19:56:55] <fenn> has anyone had any luck with the latest puppy release?
[19:57:34] <alex_joni> I did.. under qemu
[19:57:37] <alex_joni> no problems
[19:58:11] <fenn> it doesn't recognize the cd as a boot disk
[19:58:23] <alex_joni> hmm.. strange
[20:07:42] <Jacky^> fenn: try vmware 5
[20:10:16] <fenn> Jacky^: no.
[20:10:43] <Jacky^> ok
[20:10:49] <alex_joni> did you md5sum it?
[20:11:05] <fenn> no
[20:11:10] <alex_joni> could you?
[20:11:34] <fenn> 072c42b2b2733ad00e157042c06c1dc0
[20:11:45] <alex_joni> 072c42b2b2733ad00e157042c06c1dc0 puppysit.iso
[20:11:55] <alex_joni> yup.. seems ok
[20:12:36] <fenn> i diffed all the top level files and they are basically the same
[20:12:46] <fenn> between puppysit.iso and ctx10b.iso
[20:12:50] <alex_joni> so.. it doesn't even boot?
[20:13:47] <fenn> er, scratch that. goofy.16 is different, i guess that's the bootloader
[20:14:05] <fenn> it spins up the cd and then grub from the hard disk shows up
[20:14:15] <fenn> it should show the puppy bootloader instead
[20:14:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has no clue about puppy
[20:15:06] <alex_joni> hrmmm.. 27 downloads on puppysit
[20:15:09] <fenn> oh well, i will poke cncuser about it
[20:15:17] <alex_joni> you do that
[20:15:30] <alex_joni> I asked him to drop an email to the dev list, to introduce himself
[20:15:36] <alex_joni> but.. didn't happen
[20:55:37] <Jacky^> wow
[20:56:05] <Jacky^> website succesful 80 updated :P
[20:56:09] <Jacky^> 80%
[20:56:12] <Jacky^> :P
[21:02:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed early today
[21:02:17] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:39:47] <alex_joni> anyone home?
[22:51:40] <Imperator_> Hi ALex
[22:52:17] <Imperator_> night
[23:02:16] <fenn> * fenn grumbles and moans
[23:25:36] <zwisk> grumbles *and* moans?! :)
[23:52:03] <k4ts> hello
[23:52:43] <zwisk> hi