#emc | Logs for 2005-10-25

[00:00:22] <Jacky^> oh, now we have the aviaria prob. too
[00:00:31] <dmess> hmm... ever heard of orbital boring???
[00:00:54] <Jacky^> dunno
[00:01:10] <Jacky^> i want ask to alex to kill all chickens there too
[00:01:30] <dmess> i NEED 2 G of acceleration to start...
[00:02:23] <dmess> you in?
[00:02:31] <Jacky^> It
[00:02:39] <LawrenceG> dmess, more power scotty
[00:03:01] <Jacky^> 2 G what ?
[00:03:05] <Jacky^> Gwatt ?
[00:03:15] <dmess> we did it on 2 kw drives before... ; )
[00:03:16] <Jacky^> ghz ?
[00:03:20] <icee> 2 G's; 2 * 9.8 m/s/s
[00:03:31] <dmess> 2 G of acceleration
[00:03:55] <dmess> icee's with me...
[00:04:20] <icee> dm: how big of a load, and how much friction, to what speed, though?
[00:05:58] <dmess> its ALL about more is better.... i could tell you things... and limit your dreams,,, but i'd rather not...
[00:06:57] <dmess> we had a twin lead screw horizontal Toshiba nx 76b... with tosnuc 888 control and orbit option
[00:08:49] <dmess> it turns a horizintal mill into a lathe... for a while... yhings heat up... . )
[00:42:01] <k4ts> hello
[00:42:08] <k4ts> ciao Jacky^
[00:42:11] <k4ts> notte
[00:43:01] <Jacky^> night !
[00:43:13] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[02:15:38] <Jymmm> hi john
[02:15:45] <jmkasunich> howdy
[02:54:32] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Since it's so noisey in here... you eve play with SSR's by chance?
[02:55:09] <jmkasunich> not much
[02:55:33] <Jymmm> you think I could use them with PWN ?
[02:55:34] <jmkasunich> the mazak has a board full of em to run the hydraulics
[02:55:44] <jmkasunich> not likely
[02:55:55] <jmkasunich> many of them use SCRs
[02:56:12] <jmkasunich> once on, they remain on until the current crosses zero (once per cycle for AC)
[02:56:18] <jmkasunich> twice per cycle actually
[02:56:33] <Jymmm> even when the DC control voltage is gone?
[02:56:39] <jmkasunich> yup
[02:56:55] <jmkasunich> thats the nature of SCRs (and triacs) - they are latching devices
[02:57:22] <Jymmm> I'm thinking for controlling hotwire power
[02:57:37] <Jymmm> electronically
[02:57:53] <jmkasunich> how fast do you need to controll it
[02:58:24] <jmkasunich> you should be able to control single cycles of AC power at 60Hz
[02:58:38] <jmkasunich> (but read the SSR data sheet to be sure)
[02:58:40] <Jymmm> well, it's not speed as much as level.... so If I'm only cutting 1/2" EPS would only need 1.3W per inch
[02:59:09] <jmkasunich> understood
[02:59:17] <jmkasunich> a lot depends on the mass of the wire
[02:59:33] <Jymmm> I have NiChrome from 40ga to 18ga
[02:59:37] <jmkasunich> a big heavy heating element could be cycled a few times per second to maintain the desired average power
[03:00:08] <jmkasunich> a thin wire needs to be cycled faster, less thermal mass to average things out
[03:00:21] <jmkasunich> how much total power do you need?
[03:00:30] <Jymmm> 32ga * 9" long to cut about 3" EPS needs about 12VAC at 1.2A
[03:00:51] <jmkasunich> that ain't much
[03:00:59] <jmkasunich> could use DC and control it with a FET even
[03:01:26] <Jymmm> 3" is only about a few inches of cutting length, not like a full 4x8 sheet
[03:01:37] <Jymmm> but very accurate
[03:02:02] <Jymmm> or for carving
[03:03:24] <Jymmm> thermal expansion comes into play for longer cuts
[03:03:50] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich just thought of an automatic temp regulator for long wires
[03:03:57] <Jymmm> ?
[03:04:08] <jmkasunich> one end of wire rigidly attached to frame
[03:04:12] <jmkasunich> other end spring loaded
[03:04:39] <jmkasunich> such that when cold it pulls into contact with the power source
[03:04:55] <jmkasunich> as it heats up, it expands, and the spring pulls it away, breaking the circuit
[03:05:46] <Jymmm> dont think I'd want a 1800 deg switch =)
[03:06:54] <jmkasunich> doesn't have to be that hot
[03:07:08] <Jymmm> NiChrome working temp is 2200 F
[03:07:17] <Jymmm> ^max
[03:07:38] <Jymmm> melts at 2400
[03:07:43] <jmkasunich> with a long wire, the end probably moves a measurable (and usable) amount at a couple hundred degrees
[03:09:19] <Jymmm> Yeah, I have the clacs for the Cof of therm exp, but it's difficult enough to "tune" a hotwire properly and now having to worry about the calcs for a temp control.
[03:09:38] <jmkasunich> it was just a thought ;-)
[03:10:00] <Jymmm> it's cool. Much better to do a current feedbakc for that matter.
[03:10:27] <Jymmm> * Jymmm waves his .1 ohm resisters
[03:12:00] <Jymmm> I'm thinking that if the heat level is "proper" for the material, the voltage/current should remain fairly consistant. So adj as necessary.
[03:12:12] <Jymmm> using a uC or something simular.
[03:12:30] <jmkasunich> for any given gauge wire, current at the desired temp will be constant, voltage will vary with wire length
[03:12:33] <Jymmm> It's just the big honking power control being the problem.
[03:12:44] <jmkasunich> 15W isn't
[03:12:47] <jmkasunich> oops
[03:12:53] <jmkasunich> 15W isn't big honking power
[03:13:09] <Jymmm> at 120V it is =)
[03:14:03] <Jymmm> with a 50" hotwire at 1.3W per inch
[03:14:19] <jmkasunich> how fancy do you want? how about a $10 light dimmer from home depot?
[03:14:29] <jmkasunich> or do you need computer control?
[03:14:33] <Jymmm> no digital control.
[03:14:58] <Jymmm> (I already have the dimmer in a J box with outlet thank you =)
[03:15:22] <Jymmm> but *I* use a 30A DC PS
[03:15:36] <jmkasunich> you have a uC (like a PIC or something) for this job? you could use phase control
[03:15:46] <Jymmm> I've shocked the shit out of myself using 120VAC w/o the isolation before =)
[03:16:09] <Jymmm> Well, for testing, I have a BASIC STAMP
[03:16:26] <Jymmm> BASIC STAMP II
[03:17:28] <K`zan> 120vac, yawn...
[03:17:34] <Jymmm> I was thinking I could give a DC pulse to a SSR every 1s or so to "control" the temp
[03:17:47] <K`zan> :-)
[03:18:11] <jmkasunich> if the wire won't heat up and cool down excessively in 1 sec that would work fine with an SSR
[03:18:11] <K`zan> Trying to remember enough deb to get BDI to admit I have a mouse over there...
[03:18:30] <jmkasunich> when you said PWM I assumed several KHz, not 1Hz ;-)
[03:18:47] <Jymmm> jmkasunich and I could get away with as slow as 120Hz ?
[03:19:02] <Jymmm> DC to 120Hz
[03:19:25] <Jymmm> DC beign 100% power
[03:19:36] <jmkasunich> with an ordinary SSR you will probably get power in "chunks" of one full cycle (or maybe a half-cycle)
[03:20:10] <Jymmm> Hmmm... I wonder what the pulsing will do the final product?
[03:20:23] <jmkasunich> you could reasonably pulse the SSR up to about 10 times/sec
[03:20:37] <Jymmm> that might work
[03:21:00] <jmkasunich> so you would have perhaps 6 power settings, ranging from 1 on/5 off, to 5 on/1 off (and of course all on and all off)
[03:21:12] <Jymmm> can SSR's rated at 200VAC control 48VAC ?
[03:21:21] <jmkasunich> should be able to
[03:21:49] <Jymmm> ok, to SSR's are like fuses... up to a certain limit and as low as needed (within reason)
[03:21:58] <jmkasunich> yes
[03:22:16] <jmkasunich> there may be a minimum current requirement
[03:22:23] <Jymmm> that's fine.
[03:22:34] <jmkasunich> (needed to make sure the SCR or Triac inside the SSR stays on)
[03:22:39] <Jymmm> cool, so I cna place the SSR on the secondary side of the xfmr
[03:23:06] <Jymmm> I hate inductive ringing
[03:23:52] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Yeah, will be no less that 12VAC and more like 24VAC
[03:24:37] <Jymmm> Now to find some 100W resistors =)
[03:24:47] <jmkasunich> what for?
[03:24:55] <Jymmm> power shunt
[03:25:07] <Jymmm> use it to feedback into the uC
[03:25:29] <jmkasunich> how many amps you planning to use?
[03:25:57] <Jymmm> 50 to 80 watts
[03:26:13] <jmkasunich> watts ain't amps
[03:26:22] <jmkasunich> the shunt resistor will need a much lower power rating
[03:26:27] <Jymmm> Right, be for cutting it's all amps
[03:26:32] <Jymmm> Right, be for cutting it's all watts I mean
[03:26:40] <jmkasunich> ?
[03:26:45] <jmkasunich> dunno what you mean
[03:26:54] <jmkasunich> wire power = wire volts times wire amps
[03:27:05] <jmkasunich> assume 20V at 3A = 60 watts in the wire
[03:27:22] <Jymmm> Ok, sinc ethere is no direct corrilation from degrees F to volt/amps, the closest is to use watts.
[03:27:26] <jmkasunich> use a 0.1 ohm sense resistor, that means 0.3V at 3A thru the resistor, and 0.9 watts
[03:28:05] <Jymmm> 0.3V ? more like 48VAC
[03:28:36] <jmkasunich> the sense resistor is in series with the cutting wire, right?
[03:28:54] <Jymmm> correct (@ 40Watts)
[03:28:56] <jmkasunich> assume the wire is 6ohms, and the resistor is 0.1 ohms
[03:29:01] <Jymmm> 48VAC @ 1A
[03:29:23] <jmkasunich> ok, assume the wire is 40 ohms, and the resistor is 0.1 ohms
[03:29:39] <jmkasunich> with 1A thru both, the wire has 40V, and the resistor has 0.1V
[03:29:50] <jmkasunich> the wire dissapates 40W, and the resistor 0.1W
[03:30:10] <Jymmm> the 40W still goes thru the resistor though
[03:32:48] <jmkasunich> power doesn't "go thru" anything
[03:33:13] <jmkasunich> imagine a 1500W space heater...
[03:33:28] <jmkasunich> the heater element dissipates 1500W and gets red hot
[03:33:46] <jmkasunich> the cord barely gets warm, even though it has 1500W "going thru" it
[03:34:16] <Jymmm> and the thermostat inside has to be able to handle 1500W (or 120VAC @ 8A or whatever)
[03:34:52] <jmkasunich> the thermostat is rated in volts and amps, not watts
[03:35:46] <Jymmm> only becasue it needs a max voltage rating, just like a fuse to prevent arching with the contacts open/close
[03:36:01] <jmkasunich> exaclty
[03:36:19] <jmkasunich> the thermostat never sees full voltage and full current at the same time, so it never dissipates much power
[03:37:12] <Jymmm> but a 120VAC thermostat needs to handle 10A (1200Watts)
[03:38:17] <Jymmm> and that 10a "goes thru it" when being drawn.
[03:38:29] <Jymmm> (or 1200watts - semantics?)
[03:38:33] <jmkasunich> yes, the 10A goes thru it
[03:38:40] <jmkasunich> NOT 1200watts tho
[03:39:10] <fenn> the voltage across the thermostat is about zero
[03:39:12] <jmkasunich> go back to the 1200 watt heater
[03:39:13] <Jymmm> no, it's NOT the load itself,
[03:39:25] <jmkasunich> it draws 10A at 120V
[03:39:32] <Jymmm> but it has to be capable of supporting the laod
[03:39:43] <jmkasunich> so the resistance of the heater element is 120V/10A = 12 ohms (when hot)
[03:39:52] <jmkasunich> the heater element is a 12ohm 1200W resistor
[03:39:58] <Jymmm> right
[03:40:08] <jmkasunich> if I connect a 0.1 ohm resistor in series with the cord, it also sees 10A
[03:40:19] <Jymmm> k
[03:40:20] <jmkasunich> but the voltage across it is only 10A x 0.1 ohm = 1V
[03:40:32] <Jymmm> and the wattage?
[03:40:36] <jmkasunich> and the power it dissipates is 10A * 1V = 10Q
[03:40:38] <jmkasunich> 10W
[03:40:39] <K`zan> So much for BDI, it is the only install on that box that will NOT see the mouse.
[03:40:49] <jmkasunich> which BDI?
[03:40:55] <Jymmm> brb
[03:41:05] <K`zan> 4.3
[03:41:30] <jmkasunich> strange
[03:41:34] <K`zan> Even sucked xorg.conf over to it as XF86config and it still wouldn't work, sigh...
[03:41:48] <jmkasunich> what kind of mouse? normal PS/2, or USB?
[03:42:46] <K`zan> PS/2
[03:42:54] <jmkasunich> very strange
[03:43:00] <K`zan> Yep
[03:43:10] <jmkasunich> unfortunately I can't help
[03:43:21] <fenn> well, there's always puppy linux ;)
[03:43:25] <K`zan> Only install over there that doesn't have a mouse :-(
[03:43:49] <K`zan> gentoo, win$hit, fc3 mouse all works on those.
[03:43:53] <K`zan> damnfiknow.
[03:44:17] <K`zan> I guess I ether install emc under gentoo and forget about the RT stuff or get something else.
[03:44:34] <jmkasunich> you tried any other BDI?
[03:44:41] <jmkasunich> like 4.20 or 4.27?
[03:44:58] <K`zan> No, I didn't. I assumed :-) that the new release was there for a reason :)
[03:45:26] <fenn> have you poked around in xorg.conf?
[03:45:29] <K`zan> Lemme go collect a pile and see if I can get hose to work.
[03:45:42] <jmkasunich> (I forgot - I'm using EMC2, fresh from CVS, so I only use the BDI as an easy way to get an RTAI patched kernel and compatible distro
[03:46:29] <jmkasunich> 4.20 and 4.27 both use 2.6.10 kernels, with adeos/RTAI for realtime
[03:46:30] <K`zan> yes, did, looks right. Even re-genned it using xf86config. THat didn't do it so I hauled over a working config from gentoo - no soap there either :-/.
[03:46:43] <jmkasunich> the pre-compiled EMC on each one is different tho
[03:47:08] <jmkasunich> 4.29 and 4.30 use 2.6.12 kernels, with a RTAI magma for realtime
[03:47:19] <fenn> and, there's puppy-emc2 if you dont wanna wait around forever while it downloads
[03:47:20] <K`zan> jmkasunich: Ok will get one or the other or both of those, I assume the different EMCs will run one axis?
[03:47:31] <jmkasunich> I suspect so
[03:47:37] <K`zan> Got a fat pipe in here - no problem.
[03:47:44] <jmkasunich> IMO, 4.20 is stable
[03:47:56] <fenn> * fenn likes puppy
[03:47:59] <K`zan> ok, thanks 4.20 it is, appreciates that.
[03:48:06] <jmkasunich> 4.27 is pretty new - there was a flurry of releases recently
[03:48:12] <K`zan> No idea in hell what "puppy" is
[03:48:18] <jmkasunich> a tiny distro
[03:48:23] <K`zan> ah
[03:48:24] <jmkasunich> linux and emc in 40MB
[03:48:34] <fenn> says he's trying to get it down to 20MB
[03:48:34] <K`zan> * K`zan wants a large and furry disto :-).
[03:48:47] <K`zan> MUST HAVE TOOLS :-).
[03:49:23] <fenn> 95% of stuff on most distros is extraneous crap
[03:49:30] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich wants to work with EMC2 source from CVS, so must have tools (at least GCC and friends)
[03:49:56] <jmkasunich> I agree with fenn
[03:49:57] <K`zan> Neat site: http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan0a.html - far more than you ever even thought of wanting to know :)
[03:51:01] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Drain Bamage has set in.... 10 thru .1 ohm == 10V ?
[03:51:10] <Jymmm> (for s shunt)
[03:51:15] <Jymmm> (for a shunt)
[03:51:27] <jmkasunich> do you know ohms law?
[03:51:51] <Jymmm> yeah, but I'm awefully lazy and forget if it's .1 .01
[03:52:06] <jmkasunich> it depends on the voltage you want to measure
[03:52:16] <Jymmm> I want 1A == 1v
[03:52:24] <jmkasunich> lower resistors will drop less volts, and thus dissipate less watts
[03:52:39] <jmkasunich> but give lower volts, which means you have to amplify before the DAC
[03:52:58] <Jymmm> Power shunt like used in an ampmeter
[03:52:59] <jmkasunich> to get 1V at 1A, you need 1 ohm - that's what ohm's law is all about
[03:53:27] <jmkasunich> 0.1 ohm gives 0.1V per amp, 0.01ohm gives 0.01V per amp, etc, etc
[03:53:43] <K`zan> Found it, coming in now at a creaping 107k/s
[03:53:44] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[03:53:59] <Jymmm> K`zan well I can slow that down for you!
[03:54:25] <K`zan> No need, it gives me time for coffee and to erase the 4.30 dvd
[03:54:42] <Jymmm> dvdrw?
[03:54:56] <K`zan> Yes
[03:55:12] <K`zan> SUPER sneakernet :-)
[03:55:16] <jmkasunich> sheesh
[03:55:23] <K`zan> what?
[03:55:27] <jmkasunich> you can boot from DVD too?
[03:55:29] <Jymmm> I liked that movie.... sneakers
[03:55:31] <K`zan> Yep
[03:55:36] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich feels old
[03:55:36] <fenn> wow that 20 questions thing guessed i was thinking about a lathe
[03:56:08] <Jymmm> jmkasunich dont feel that old, M$ can't boot from a DVDRW
[03:56:34] <K`zan> I don't think linux knows the diff between a cd and dvd other than one is bigger.
[03:56:35] <jmkasunich> I remember when 64K has a tricked out computer.... I feel old
[03:56:40] <Jymmm> K`zan you putting on it a bootable session?
[03:56:57] <K`zan> 64K *wow*, my first was 1k
[03:56:58] <Jymmm> (El Torito)
[03:57:02] <jmkasunich> it ain't linux that determines if you can boot off the disk, it's the bios
[03:57:16] <K`zan> Just burning the iso and booting off it for install.
[03:57:39] <Jymmm> jmkasunich But M$ doens't write properly to a dvdrw to be able to do it
[03:57:40] <jmkasunich> I didn't say I had 64K, I said that was tricked out
[03:57:47] <K`zan> I thought I was realy HOT when I had a 4K card for the SWTP 6800 :)
[03:57:52] <jmkasunich> my frist was a TRS-80 with 4K
[03:58:07] <Jymmm> Vic 20 w/ 3.2KB
[03:58:18] <K`zan> Bought my M1 that way but upped it to 48 as quickly as possible.
[03:58:38] <jmkasunich> buncha old farts on here
[03:58:46] <K`zan> used the RTC and the cassette port to make coffee so it would be ready when we got there :-).
[03:58:46] <LawrenceG> yep
[03:59:04] <K`zan> * K`zan likes being an official old fartette :).
[03:59:09] <LawrenceG> I resemble that remark
[03:59:13] <K`zan> LOL
[03:59:16] <jmkasunich> my first realtime program used the cassett port relay to send morse code
[03:59:17] <Jymmm> law you look it too!
[03:59:33] <Jymmm> cq cq cq dx
[03:59:50] <LawrenceG> I still get carded when trying to get the seniors coffee :}
[03:59:53] <K`zan> int qrv de wv9k/7 k
[04:00:15] <jmkasunich> -.-. --.- don't remember much, I only had the license for a couple years
[04:00:31] <jmkasunich> I was more into building the stuff than using it, and moved on to computers instead
[04:00:32] <Jymmm> K`zan ?
[04:00:39] <jmkasunich> ka3cou, once upon a time
[04:00:58] <Jymmm> jmkasunich cb ?
[04:01:03] <jmkasunich> that's been 25+ years ago
[04:01:05] <Jymmm> nm
[04:01:05] <jmkasunich> ham
[04:01:13] <LawrenceG> hey computers and radios are still fun
[04:01:16] <Jymmm> read that wrong
[04:01:26] <K`zan> cw=Z]RUO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/Pk
[04:01:28] <K`zan> cw=Z]QjO0PsO/RUO/PsO0RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/QV
[04:01:30] <K`zan> cw=Z]Q!O/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO0PsO0RVO/PrO/R@
[04:01:39] <K`zan> cw=Z]RUO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/Pk
[04:01:41] <K`zan> cw=Z]QjO0PsO/RUO/PsO0RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/QV
[04:01:43] <K`zan> cw=Z]Q!O/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO0PsO0RVO/PrO/R@
[04:01:44] <K`zan> cw=Z]P7O/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO0PsO/RUOL
[04:01:47] <K`zan> cw=Z]ObPsO0RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PL
[04:01:47] <jmkasunich> wtf?
[04:01:49] <K`zan> cw=Z]PGO/RVO0PsO0RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO/RVO/PrO\
[04:01:51] <K`zan> cw=Z]ORRVO/PrO/RVBu
[04:01:54] <Jymmm> K`zan what the hell is that shit?
[04:02:01] <K`zan> cwirc :-)
[04:02:26] <Jymmm> Jymmm has kicked K`zan from #emc
[04:02:30] <jmkasunich> look out - power has gone to Jymms head
[04:02:42] <Jymmm> oooops, that should have been QRM
[04:02:44] <jmkasunich> what'ja do that for
[04:02:59] <Jymmm> jmkasunich My cwirc reply
[04:03:36] <Jymmm> </smartass>
[04:03:39] <jmkasunich> a bit over the top don't you think?
[04:03:55] <K`zan> No, not really.
[04:03:58] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: it was a /kick, not a ban
[04:04:07] <jmkasunich> ok
[04:04:12] <jmkasunich> still...
[04:04:19] <K`zan> It just came up without the key plugged in, sorry about that :-)
[04:04:30] <K`zan> No sense of humor, but this is IRC, I expect that.
[04:04:41] <Jymmm> jmkasunich This is IRC, While not the normal converssation in here, still IRC.
[04:05:03] <K`zan> No biggie, everyone has to have a hobby...
[04:05:47] <jmkasunich> I'd expect a warning before the kick
[04:06:12] <dmess> my dads alert and himself with an exta hole in the head... thx for the distraction yesterday all.. ; )
[04:06:14] <K`zan> Courtesy is something you never expect on IRC :-)
[04:06:42] <Jymmm> jmkasunich It's like being hit in the arm on your birthday... no warning you just do it.
[04:07:29] <Jymmm> dmess everything mellowing out now?
[04:08:05] <jmkasunich> what happened yesterday? (I was driving back from the Mazak project all day)
[04:08:08] <Jymmm> K`zan how active are you?
[04:08:16] <dmess> he seems to be himself in a little pain.. NOT aoltta pain...
[04:09:28] <dmess> my dad went in for surgery for bleedin' into the brain... 100mm dia x 25 mm dep
[04:09:44] <Jymmm> yeow
[04:09:58] <dmess> surgery and a shunt later...
[04:10:02] <Jymmm> do they know the reason?
[04:10:11] <jmkasunich> wow
[04:10:33] <dmess> they think its got to do with the blood thinner he is/was on
[04:10:41] <dmess> Kumodin
[04:10:43] <jmkasunich> scary stuff
[04:10:48] <K`zan> No kidding
[04:11:08] <Jymmm> google doesn't even bring it up
[04:11:18] <jmkasunich> couple years ago I got a call at work - my dad (76yrs old) was working on the gutter and fell off the roof
[04:11:28] <jmkasunich> busted himself up pretty good
[04:11:34] <dmess> never a guy for a headache.... on day 4 ...they figured it was time to never mind the moose hunt
[04:11:42] <K`zan> Proud heritage of get'er done :-).
[04:12:20] <Jymmm> just keep him away from the hole saws
[04:12:39] <dmess> cat scan later... and air ambulance to Sudbury Ontario
[04:12:51] <dmess> for surgery
[04:13:30] <dmess> my mom and sister were driving around ontario chasing him...
[04:14:13] <Jymmm> lojack?
[04:14:25] <dmess> cell phones
[04:14:32] <Jymmm> ah
[04:14:58] <dmess> he was in med care.. they were following
[04:15:36] <Jymmm> I threatened to lojack my gf once
[04:16:12] <dmess> i guys who could/would...
[04:16:19] <dmess> know
[04:16:33] <Jymmm> We're both hams and have Kenwood TH-D7a that have APRS built on.
[04:16:41] <Jymmm> s/on/in/
[04:17:23] <dmess> cool
[04:18:04] <Jymmm> When I went from SF to LA, I gave all my friends the url so they could tack where I was at.
[04:18:11] <Jymmm> findu.com
[04:18:17] <Jymmm> track
[04:18:33] <dmess> for chites and giggles... be kool in a hg
[04:18:43] <Jymmm> hg ?
[04:18:50] <dmess> hang glider
[04:18:57] <Jymmm> Oh, hang on...
[04:19:09] <dmess> to what... ahhhh
[04:19:25] <Jymmm> http://www.groovin.net/ke4pjw/balloon/
[04:19:50] <dmess> balloon drop??
[04:20:37] <Jymmm> oh, here is the right one.... http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/balloon/
[04:20:53] <Jymmm> s/drop/launch
[04:21:03] <Jymmm> traveled over 100+ miles
[04:21:37] <Jymmm> VERY neat (and expensive ) project
[04:21:38] <dmess> bodysuit??
[04:21:58] <Jymmm> http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/balloon/flight-path.gif
[04:22:08] <dmess> 100 miles is no real feat these days...
[04:22:51] <dmess> 704 km is goal...
[04:23:09] <fenn> (the blood thinner is spelled coumadin)
[04:23:16] <Jymmm> 17K feet elevation
[04:23:20] <dmess> for a real record
[04:24:36] <Jymmm> 53K ft elevation
[04:24:41] <dmess> from 17000 with a Wills wing U2..... i'll make it way far... if i can handle the jet stream
[04:25:01] <Jymmm> http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/photo/index.cgi?album=20021103-balloon-highlights&mode=viewpicture&picture=11032330.jpg#start_picture
[04:25:50] <dmess> put you ass on the balloon ... pussy
[04:26:21] <Jymmm> shit.... -20f hell no
[04:27:46] <dmess> search Judy Lunden's flight over th united arab emerites... she landed in 100 f with her eyelids still frozen shut
[04:28:29] <K`zan> that wildrice mirror is all over the place speed wise...
[04:28:34] <dmess> balloon drop from.... 21000 i believe...
[04:29:12] <K`zan> that is what, 90 sec of free fall ?
[04:29:51] <dmess> 12 minutes..at GET ME MY CRAYON"S MODE
[04:31:00] <K`zan> 12 minutes? 12,500 is 60 sec...
[04:31:06] <dmess> paragliding.... 3 minute a fun free fall.. and 1.5 minutes to pull the shut outta your ass and air it
[04:31:24] <K`zan> ah, ok, got to be a COLD arsed ride...
[04:31:52] <dmess> you'll throw your underwear if you figure it'll help
[04:32:04] <K`zan> LOL, not that dedicated :-)
[04:32:16] <dmess> cause the PLANET WINS
[04:32:39] <dmess> you will be... the first time
[04:32:56] <K`zan> heh, yeah, gravity sucks ;-)
[04:33:08] <dmess> take off is optional..... landing is mandatory...
[04:33:23] <K`zan> True, but any you can walk away from ... :-)
[04:33:28] <dmess> gravity RULES.... exploit IT
[04:34:08] <dmess> is a good landing... if you can use the aircraft again...BONUS..
[04:34:11] <K`zan> LOL, helos are enough fun for me.
[04:35:41] <dmess> my dad used to say i had 9 lives... like a cat... cause i had a twin at birth... now he saya my cat had kittens..
[04:36:07] <K`zan> :-)
[04:36:10] <dmess> cuase i blew thru 9
[04:36:43] <K`zan> If so you should smell really bad about now.
[04:36:46] <K`zan> :-)
[04:36:56] <dmess> heaven doesnt want me... and hells afraid i'll take over
[04:37:15] <K`zan> LOL
[04:37:27] <dmess> no we use the litter box.. LOL
[04:37:41] <K`zan> Gotta find 4.20 someplace else wildrice is so badly constipated as to be almost unusable.
[04:37:55] <dmess> 4.20??
[04:39:46] <dmess> just lookin' on the othe box... holds iso's
[04:41:04] <dmess> bdi' found.. 2.20 < 2.18 , 4.6
[04:41:40] <K`zan> unless this gets going to some rational (defined as rational with resources here) I'm just going to install off the livecd
[04:42:09] <dmess> which live cd you have??
[04:42:36] <K`zan> The one with morfix
[04:43:01] <dmess> works well... im running it
[04:43:37] <K`zan> Good, thanks!
[04:43:40] <dmess> havent used too much output to emc yet..
[04:44:01] <K`zan> I got my driver "finished" and want to see what EMC will do with it.
[04:44:32] <dmess> driver??? fro servo control??
[04:45:12] <K`zan> Yep, my servos are too wimpy for the HobbyCNC stuff so when I get real servos I'll build the freeware one.
[04:45:53] <dmess> oh i see... i want 1-2 kw drives
[04:46:21] <K`zan> http://www.pminmo.com/l297-8/l297-8.htm one of those...
[04:46:51] <K`zan> LOL, me too, but budgetary constraints preclude that here :).
[04:47:40] <dmess> me too.. wife and 3 kids.. 2 dogs and 3 cats.... Yard sale??
[04:48:04] <K`zan> LOL, only a roomie and 4 feline companions here.
[04:48:12] <dmess> take ME i dont eat much...
[04:48:19] <K`zan> LOL
[04:49:07] <fenn> * fenn looks disapprovingly at his scratched bdi 4.20 cd
[04:49:29] <dmess> i have the iso..
[04:49:51] <dmess> sorry 4.6
[04:50:50] <K`zan> I just want one that will actually pick up the mouse :).
[04:51:21] <dmess> build a cnc etch a sketch...
[04:51:28] <dmess> x-y
[04:51:35] <K`zan> Just going to let wildrice limp along, not a biggie.
[04:51:38] <dmess> m06 shakes it
[04:51:47] <K`zan> Need to go find a parallel cable anyway.
[04:52:11] <dmess> i have some... come get one
[04:52:13] <K`zan> dmess: that is essentially what I am doing :-)
[04:53:30] <K`zan> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/CNC/MechAxis1-001.jpg
[04:54:30] <Jymmm> I have 4.20
[04:56:26] <K`zan> Just got to get the cat off my lap so I can reach the drawer :-).
[04:56:49] <K`zan> Tracks Ahead on PBS, good way to kill time waiting for wildrice...
[04:58:08] <dmess> still usin canadian duct tape
[04:58:16] <K`zan> ewwww ;-)
[04:58:33] <K`zan> duct tape and hot glue, tools of champions :).
[04:58:35] <dmess> na na
[04:58:46] <fenn> shouldn't say that in a machinist's forum
[04:59:01] <dmess> ball bearings too
[04:59:01] <Jymmm> fenn devcom
[04:59:06] <K`zan> One works with what one has until one can do better....
[04:59:16] <Jymmm> devcoN
[04:59:18] <fenn> Jymmm: contact cement?
[04:59:21] <dmess> afford better
[04:59:24] <Jymmm> two part expoxy
[04:59:27] <K`zan> that too
[04:59:34] <fenn> epoxy's a good one
[04:59:46] <dmess> i got it all... then the kids get into it.....
[04:59:49] <fenn> you can build a milling machine out of epoxy
[05:00:14] <K`zan> fenn: Just cast it, has to take enough epoxy to get expensive though.
[05:00:21] <dmess> but carbon fiber cost... and they dont care
[05:00:26] <K`zan> Gallons, depending on size.
[05:01:01] <dmess> my 2 boyz dont care... DAD shits $$$
[05:01:05] <K`zan> I am really excited to see what can be done with this kluge of all kluges approach I am on.
[05:01:48] <dmess> dig deep k'zan
[05:02:04] <K`zan> That is the sad part, I *am* :-(.
[05:02:42] <fenn> you are wanting a pcb cutter at the end?
[05:02:43] <K`zan> Sure isn't dull :)
[05:02:43] <dmess> never say the i*possible - other word
[05:03:05] <K`zan> fenn: Yes, that is just a target to work toward.
[05:03:29] <K`zan> When the milk can fills up with coins I will prolly get a Taig.
[05:04:06] <dmess> why not a real machine>>
[05:04:47] <K`zan> about a $13,000 difference between that an a nice knee bridgeport clone.
[05:05:13] <K`zan> Heh, which I couldn't even get in here and I doubt that the floor here would hold it (4th floor apartment).
[05:05:40] <K`zan> Cat off lap, going for cable and warm coffee :) brb
[05:05:54] <dmess> bridgeport clone.. used 1500.00 can... right now around here
[05:06:14] <fenn> i almost got a mill for $200
[05:06:25] <fenn> someone swiped it out from under me
[05:06:26] <dmess> almost??
[05:06:30] <K`zan> Bummer
[05:06:33] <fenn> i showed up with the trailer and it was gone
[05:06:36] <K`zan> Serious Bummer(TM)
[05:06:40] <dmess> zuts
[05:07:37] <fenn> probably woulda been a big headache anyway
[05:07:48] <fenn> a 2 ton headache
[05:07:51] <Jymmm> fenn: Everything happens for a reason
[05:08:09] <fenn> Jymmm: tell that to rodney king
[05:08:11] <dmess> anyone run the SYNERGY software??
[05:08:24] <Jymmm> dmess net kvm ?
[05:08:44] <fenn> i think he means the CAD program
[05:08:49] <dmess> cad/cam
[05:08:49] <Jymmm> ah, no.
[05:09:25] <dmess> looks alot like a few old s'wares
[05:15:43] <dmess> bed time.... be well all
[05:15:52] <K`zan> You too, rest well.
[05:19:06] <K`zan> Interesting: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_RTAI_and_COMEDI_on_2.6_Kernel
[05:44:25] <Jymmm> fenn: Well, South Central LA got a makeover becasue if it.
[05:44:47] <Jymmm> saw it first hand.
[06:13:28] <CIA-6> 03paul_c * 10emc2-auto/wiki/ (9 files in 7 dirs): "Auto update wiki from a cron job. Tue Oct 25 05:30:01 BST 2005 "
[06:34:18] <Jymmm> * Jymmm dog piles LawrenceG!!! LTNS
[06:34:50] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG cursing pic programmer...
[06:35:15] <Jymmm> s/pic/avr/
[06:37:16] <LawrenceG> trying to get icsp running for dsPIC30f2010
[06:38:32] <Jymmm> no clue
[06:39:16] <fenn> wow the code is done already?
[07:06:31] <LawrenceG> I wish... trying to get devel tools all running
[08:12:32] <anonimasu> morning
[08:13:48] <alex_joni> yup it seems like that
[08:23:45] <anonimasu> :)
[08:24:02] <alex_joni> although I don't want to admit that I am already up :/
[08:24:13] <alex_joni> damn I'm tired
[08:24:15] <alex_joni> :(
[08:24:47] <anonimasu> I am too :/
[08:24:53] <anonimasu> it's -10 outside I think
[08:25:15] <alex_joni> brrr :D
[08:25:44] <anonimasu> yep
[08:26:01] <Jymmm> Do I dare rub this in or not... decisions decisions decisions
[08:26:25] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has some major testing to do at work today
[08:26:33] <anonimasu> kind of scary
[08:26:34] <anonimasu> :D
[08:26:38] <anonimasu> just kidding
[08:27:25] <alex_joni> Jymmm: again starting on that "rated" stuff?
[08:27:39] <Jymmm> Ok.... it's 2345 so I'm about to get into a nice big soft and comfortable bed. It's 67 F outside and the windows are open with nice fresh air flowing gentle thru.
[08:27:47] <anonimasu> Jymmm: did you get any idea about cutters?
[08:28:06] <Jymmm> alex_joni rated PG-13 ?!
[08:28:17] <alex_joni> you child-molester :P
[08:28:26] <Jymmm> anonimasu sorta, but not really what I was specifically after
[08:28:34] <alex_joni> at least pick some 16-year olds :)
[08:28:41] <Jymmm> alex_joni you're the only child I molest.
[08:28:53] <alex_joni> ok then :)
[08:29:05] <anonimasu> I wonder if I can get the spindle togther tonight
[08:29:31] <K`zan> Nope, 4.20 doesn't even recognize the mouse for the install which, at least, 4.30 did...
[08:32:06] <anonimasu> :)
[08:32:29] <alex_joni> bad bad mouse
[08:39:34] <anonimasu> hehe
[08:40:31] <anonimasu> * anonimasu found a fun post at cnczone
[08:40:56] <alex_joni> url?
[08:41:32] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3463
[08:41:58] <anonimasu> then go to the guys page :D
[08:42:14] <K`zan> Works with everything else on this machine, so I dunno, looks like I install off the livecd, the mouse works with that.
[08:42:41] <anonimasu> inconel seems to machine nicely..
[08:42:43] <anonimasu> with edm.
[08:42:45] <anonimasu> :D
[08:42:46] <alex_joni> K`zan: can't really understand why you people bother
[08:42:58] <alex_joni> just install a debian, and apt-get install emc
[08:43:04] <alex_joni> ain't it easier?
[08:43:53] <K`zan> If I wanted to be running debian (which I did for years) I'd be running deb :-), this is just a carrier for emc until I get time to figure out how to set up gentoo :).
[08:44:13] <alex_joni> BDI is debian
[08:44:26] <anonimasu> alex_joni: http://www.teilhardo.com/Projects/Cnc%20Machining/October.html
[08:44:29] <alex_joni> just a special version
[08:46:54] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has tried turning inconel a bit ago
[08:47:09] <anonimasu> it ate carbide.. :D
[08:48:23] <Jymmm> just apply 1.3Watts per inch of 32ga =)
[08:53:03] <Anastasia> ok, mouse does indeed work in gentoo and m$hyte, no idea why not deb.
[08:53:06] <Anastasia> test out
[08:55:12] <K`zan> alex_joni: bother with what ? Huh ?
[08:55:22] <anonimasu> later
[08:55:30] <anonimasu> going to play some at work ;)
[08:55:35] <K`zan> :-)
[08:55:42] <alex_joni> later
[08:56:04] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I feel like starting with the usc driver soon also :)
[08:56:07] <K`zan> Gonna do some checking to see if there is any common thread on mouse not working with deb, very odd.
[08:56:17] <anonimasu> K`zan: is it a usb mouse?
[08:56:20] <alex_joni> what kind of mouse?
[08:56:22] <Jymmm> K`zan what kind of mouse?
[08:56:31] <alex_joni> lol
[08:56:36] <anonimasu> cat /dev/input/mouse*
[08:56:37] <alex_joni> great minds think alike :D
[08:56:53] <anonimasu> if it is..
[08:56:57] <anonimasu> and just edit your X config :)
[08:56:57] <Jymmm> PS2? USB? SERIAL? BUS?
[09:01:47] <K`zan> Did that already :-(.
[09:01:56] <Jymmm> K`zan PS2? USB? SERIAL? BUS?
[09:02:03] <anonimasu> well laters
[09:02:13] <K`zan> deb is just not seeing anything from /dev/psaux or dev/input/mice
[09:02:28] <Jymmm> laters anonimasu
[09:02:43] <K`zan> strange, but it looks like this is not uncommon with deb, gonna go read some more on it.
[09:34:55] <Anastasia> Well, (K`zan on the development box) a usb mouse works fine with it, damnifiknow...
[09:37:32] <alex_joni> heh
[09:48:08] <Anastasia> Good enough for now :-). It's late and I'll take this back up when I get up. Night all.
[09:48:31] <alex_joni> gnight
[09:50:20] <K`zan> Night folks!
[09:52:55] <ValarQ> morning folks
[10:20:30] <alex_joni> yup
[10:20:36] <alex_joni> it's morning all right
[11:19:05] <cncuser> hello
[11:20:16] <alex_joni> hallo
[11:20:23] <cncuser> hi alex_joni
[11:20:40] <alex_joni> how's it looking? got a new version for me to mirror? *g*
[11:20:48] <cncuser> im about to get emc.run striped down so it works.. it has some trouble running in a busyboxed environment
[11:20:56] <cncuser> tomorrow :)
[11:21:09] <alex_joni> wot's the problem?
[11:21:16] <cncuser> right now i hate this startscript so deeply... whatever
[11:21:26] <cncuser> its plain stupid
[11:21:41] <alex_joni> lol.. I did a bit of modifying it.. so ask away if you need help
[11:21:46] <cncuser> nonoffense to whoever did it. it just is not suited for busyboxes
[11:22:23] <cncuser> alex_joni: in the last release i removed most of the modulestuff
[11:22:32] <cncuser> thats why it isnt correctly unloading
[11:22:44] <alex_joni> I see .. :)
[11:22:45] <cncuser> now i want to keep it, but it just 3ouldnt load :)
[11:22:55] <alex_joni> what modulestuff did you remove?
[11:23:34] <cncuser> i dont know exactly, you can make a diff on a non modified emc.run
[11:23:56] <alex_joni> heh.. ok :)
[11:24:45] <cncuser> thats the things i work right now on
[11:24:47] <cncuser> Sorry, can't find /root/cnc/sbin/insmod, a necessary program
[11:24:47] <cncuser> Sorry, can't find /root/cnc/sbin/rmmod, a necessary program
[11:24:47] <cncuser> Sorry, can't find /root/cnc/sbin/lsmod, a necessary program
[11:24:48] <cncuser> sed: -e expression #1, char 0: No previous regular expression
[11:24:48] <cncuser> Starting emc...
[11:24:49] <cncuser> /root/cnc/emc2/scripts/realtime: line 131: /mnt/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: No such file or directory
[11:24:54] <cncuser> insmod: adeos: no module by that name found
[11:25:02] <cncuser> ok the first 3 are misterious to me
[11:25:23] <cncuser> # ls /root/cnc/sbin/
[11:25:23] <cncuser> insmod insmod.modutils lsmod lsmod.modutils pidof rmmod
[11:26:02] <alex_joni> adeos isn't supposed to be found (if you compiled it into the kernel)
[11:26:03] <cncuser> then theres a wrong path (/mnt) somewhere (where i cant grep it).. well, the usual
[11:26:11] <cncuser> no i made it as a module
[11:26:15] <alex_joni> you did?
[11:26:18] <cncuser> yes
[11:26:25] <alex_joni> hmm.. then it should be found..
[11:26:28] <alex_joni> what does depmod say?
[11:26:41] <alex_joni> rtai-load also needs to be accessible
[11:26:49] <alex_joni> maybe you removed that too?
[11:26:52] <alex_joni> :)
[11:27:02] <cncuser> no, its here
[11:27:08] <cncuser> but not on /mnt
[11:27:12] <alex_joni> ahh..
[11:27:17] <alex_joni> hang on a sec
[11:27:26] <alex_joni> try scripts/realtime start
[11:27:29] <alex_joni> see what happens
[11:27:38] <alex_joni> emc2/scripts/realtime start
[11:28:40] <alex_joni> also.. I suggest looking at rtapi.conf
[11:28:50] <alex_joni> maybe you have an /etc/rtapi.conf ?
[11:28:52] <cncuser> RTAI_LOAD
[11:28:56] <cncuser> hmm, no
[11:29:07] <alex_joni> ok.. back to realtime
[11:29:10] <alex_joni> does that run?
[11:29:13] <cncuser> im in a very chaotic phase :)
[11:29:47] <alex_joni> ok.. let's take it slow..
[11:29:49] <cncuser> for example i hate bashscripts right now soooo deply, and what peo?lple do to them carrieng variables throuout bunches of scripts...
[11:30:01] <alex_joni> hehehe
[11:30:02] <cncuser> :)
[11:30:03] <alex_joni> I know
[11:30:11] <alex_joni> hang on till I merge in the make install stuff ;)
[11:30:18] <cncuser> arghl
[11:30:20] <cncuser> ;)
[11:30:22] <alex_joni> =))
[11:30:30] <alex_joni> btw.. I set up a site with daily tar-gz's
[11:30:37] <cncuser> nice
[11:30:39] <alex_joni> http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/~emc/
[11:31:00] <alex_joni> maybe we can use that to be included into the iso
[11:31:05] <alex_joni> and generate the iso daily ?
[11:31:08] <cncuser> should rtapi.conf be with rtai or emc ?
[11:31:16] <alex_joni> rtapi is part of emc2
[11:31:42] <cncuser> ./scripts/rtapi.conf
[11:31:44] <cncuser> hmm
[11:31:47] <alex_joni> should be in scripts
[11:31:48] <alex_joni> right
[11:31:54] <alex_joni> now look at it ;)
[11:32:02] <cncuser> if [ -f $SCRIPT_DIR/rtapi.conf ] ; then
[11:32:02] <cncuser> RTAPICONF=$SCRIPT_DIR/rtapi.conf
[11:32:02] <cncuser> fi
[11:32:04] <cncuser> its there
[11:32:13] <alex_joni> open it in an editor
[11:32:17] <alex_joni> I suspect this:
[11:32:25] <cncuser> /mnt/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load
[11:32:27] <cncuser> argl
[11:32:28] <cncuser> :)
[11:32:29] <alex_joni> when you ran configure you had a different path set up
[11:32:38] <alex_joni> configure generates Makefile.inc
[11:32:49] <alex_joni> and Makefile.inc is used when rtapi.conf is written
[11:32:57] <alex_joni> that should be clear now, I hope
[11:32:58] <alex_joni> ROFL
[11:33:11] <cncuser> i must have had some chaos here, al those mount -o bind and chroot, and linking, makes dizzy
[11:33:21] <alex_joni> I agree :D
[11:33:33] <alex_joni> it's best not to touch emc.run, that should be ok ;)
[11:33:33] <cncuser> alex_joni: no it always was /root/cnc
[11:33:35] <cncuser> but
[11:33:42] <cncuser> root cnc is a link to /mnt/cnc
[11:33:43] <cncuser> :)
[11:33:47] <alex_joni> rofl.. ok then :D
[11:33:56] <alex_joni> chroot?
[11:33:57] <alex_joni> right
[11:34:04] <cncuser> the install must have used the realpath in parts for the rest of the paths is correct
[11:34:21] <cncuser> KERNELDIR='/root/cnc/source/kernels/linux-2.4.31'
[11:34:21] <cncuser> RTLIB_DIR='/root/cnc/source/emc2/rtlib'
[11:34:24] <alex_joni> check Makefile.inc to make sure
[11:34:27] <alex_joni> ok then
[11:35:22] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 75: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[11:35:22] <cncuser> type: Illegal option -t
[11:35:22] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[11:35:30] <cncuser> hmm, maybe thge devs still missing :)
[11:35:44] <cncuser> no
[11:35:58] <cncuser> bad filedescriptor number
[11:36:12] <cncuser> btw. if i use my old emc.run script it works :)
[11:36:17] <alex_joni> huh.. never seen that
[11:36:19] <alex_joni> :/
[11:36:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks realtime is failing
[11:36:54] <cncuser> if i load it by hand all is ok, also with the modified emc.run, so its all just the scripts
[11:37:00] <cncuser> i said that before ;)
[11:37:16] <cncuser> i need some relaxing cigarette
[11:38:06] <cncuser> well, if i do a modprobe adeos by hand, it also works :)
[11:38:19] <cncuser> i put that ontop of emc.run, and all should be ok
[11:38:30] <alex_joni> nah.. hang on a bit
[11:38:36] <alex_joni> lets make this proper :)
[11:38:43] <alex_joni> try running scripts/realtime start
[11:38:47] <alex_joni> and tell me what happens
[11:39:20] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 75: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[11:39:20] <cncuser> type: Illegal option -t
[11:39:20] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[11:39:20] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[11:39:22] <cncuser> :)
[11:39:26] <cncuser> no good looking
[11:39:40] <alex_joni> ok.. hang on a bit
[11:39:46] <alex_joni> can you send me the rtapi.conf ?
[11:39:51] <cncuser> shure
[11:39:53] <alex_joni> maybe paste it in /msg ?
[11:39:58] <alex_joni> should be safe
[11:41:38] <cncuser> btw. i got adeos as a module to make the pc proper reboot and not hang when shutdown
[11:42:33] <alex_joni> hmm... seems ok
[11:42:41] <cncuser> yep
[11:46:42] <alex_joni> all modules are in '/root/cnc/realtime/modules' ?
[11:47:06] <alex_joni> how about running rtai-load by hand?
[11:47:09] <alex_joni> still getting errors?
[11:47:27] <cncuser> brb, sorry geusts
[11:47:33] <alex_joni> np
[12:20:31] <cncuser> re
[12:20:54] <alex_joni> ok.. so where were we?
[12:21:02] <cncuser> how about running rtai-load by hand?
[12:21:12] <cncuser> im searhcing for .runinfo right now
[12:21:14] <alex_joni> yes, does that work?
[12:21:21] <alex_joni> ahh.. should be in some dir
[12:21:22] <cncuser> ./emc2/scripts/.runinfo
[12:21:25] <alex_joni> yup
[12:21:28] <cncuser> ic, forgot that
[12:21:46] <alex_joni> does that work?
[12:21:59] <cncuser> mom, i need to correct the path
[12:22:20] <alex_joni> what path?
[12:22:21] <alex_joni> :)
[12:22:25] <cncuser> .runinfo
[12:22:32] <alex_joni> heh
[12:23:21] <cncuser> or should i put it to /cnc ?
[12:23:24] <cncuser> /root/cnc
[12:23:26] <cncuser> hmmm
[12:23:30] <alex_joni> leave it ther
[12:23:32] <alex_joni> there
[12:23:40] <alex_joni> it gets searched by some scripts iirc
[12:23:40] <cncuser> in /root/cnc/emc2/scripts ?
[12:23:43] <alex_joni> yup
[12:24:22] <alex_joni> btw, someone asked if you have a browser in the puppy?
[12:24:40] <cncuser> yes, i allready put dillo in, it 24mb now
[12:24:53] <cncuser> how about mail ? :)
[12:24:58] <cncuser> sylpheed is nice, i love it
[12:25:45] <cncuser> # realtime/bin/rtai-load
[12:25:45] <cncuser> realtime/bin/rtai-load: 75: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:25:45] <cncuser> type: Illegal option -t
[12:25:45] <cncuser> realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:25:45] <cncuser> realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:25:58] <cncuser> did i mention those stupid bash scripts ?
[12:26:21] <cncuser> depending on dozzens of tools, expecting to have every commandline option ?
[12:26:21] <alex_joni> you did :D
[12:26:37] <alex_joni> shouldn't .. let me look some more ;)
[12:26:46] <alex_joni> send me a tar.gz with your current emc2
[12:26:50] <alex_joni> to look at it
[12:27:46] <cncuser> # poc none 0 0 0 - /mnt2/proc
[12:27:50] <cncuser> args
[12:28:08] <cncuser> well got /dev and /proc bind to my chroot
[12:28:30] <alex_joni> try scripts/realtime -v start
[12:28:54] <cncuser> # scripts/realtime -v start
[12:28:54] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 75: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:28:54] <cncuser> Running emc2 from /root/cnc/emc2/scripts/.runinfo
[12:28:54] <cncuser> type: Illegal option -t
[12:28:54] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:28:54] <cncuser> /root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load: 230: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[12:28:58] <cncuser> insmod: a module named rtapi already exists
[12:29:00] <cncuser> insmod: a module named hal_lib already exists
[12:29:02] <cncuser> #
[12:29:04] <cncuser> well, all is loaded up now
[12:33:04] <alex_joni> what rtai do you have on the system?
[12:33:16] <alex_joni> rtai-3.2 ?
[12:33:45] <cncuser> rtai-3.1-test5
[12:33:57] <alex_joni> 3.1-test5 ?
[12:34:05] <cncuser> hmm, well :) strange, shure :)
[12:34:16] <cncuser> i get 3.2 ;)
[12:34:31] <alex_joni> I think I got it
[12:34:37] <alex_joni> might be the same problem as with emc2
[12:34:40] <alex_joni> but inside rtai
[12:34:55] <alex_joni> e=`echo $* | sed -e "s,^[$spc]*![$spc]*\\(.*\\)$,\\1,"`
[12:34:59] <alex_joni> ROFLMAO ;)
[12:35:05] <cncuser> thats fucked up
[12:35:11] <alex_joni> kidding ;)
[12:35:19] <alex_joni> paste me the content of rtai-load
[12:35:26] <alex_joni> in /msg
[12:35:37] <alex_joni> root/cnc/realtime/bin/rtai-load
[12:35:54] <cncuser> i removed all $sudo there
[12:36:04] <alex_joni> please paste it ;)
[12:36:13] <cncuser> its to big to paste
[12:36:24] <alex_joni> lines: 75, and 230 ?
[12:59:58] <cncuser> hmm
[13:00:16] <cncuser> i dont get the rtai tasks/modules removed
[13:00:26] <cncuser> damit
[13:00:29] <cncuser> dont want to reboot
[13:00:38] <alex_joni> what's still blocking?
[13:00:46] <cncuser> dont know
[13:00:52] <cncuser> halcmd stop has no effect
[13:01:00] <alex_joni> halcmd stop acts internally
[13:01:05] <alex_joni> not on modules
[13:01:11] <alex_joni> but on what they do
[13:01:17] <alex_joni> rmmod hal_rtapi ?
[13:01:19] <cncuser> ok, my unload modules script also failes
[13:01:24] <alex_joni> on which module?
[13:01:29] <cncuser> all
[13:01:39] <alex_joni> might be something still in use
[13:01:47] <cncuser> by what ?
[13:01:47] <alex_joni> rmmod stepgen ?
[13:01:56] <cncuser> #! /bin/sh
[13:01:56] <cncuser> rmmod hal_parport scope_rt stepgen
[13:01:56] <cncuser> rmmod motmod
[13:01:56] <cncuser> rmmod hal_lib
[13:01:56] <cncuser> rmmod rtapi
[13:01:56] <alex_joni> lsmod and you should see that
[13:01:57] <cncuser> rmmod rtai_sem rtai_shm rtai_fifos
[13:01:58] <cncuser> rmmod rtai_up
[13:02:01] <cncuser> rmmod rtai_hal
[13:02:05] <cncuser> rmmod adeos
[13:02:07] <cncuser> rmmod rtai_math
[13:02:08] <alex_joni> try rmmod-ing them by hand
[13:02:17] <cncuser> # scripts/unload-rtai-modules
[13:02:17] <cncuser> rmmod: module hal_parport is not loaded
[13:02:17] <cncuser> rmmod: module scope_rt is not loaded
[13:02:17] <cncuser> rmmod: module stepgen is not loaded
[13:02:17] <cncuser> rmmod: module motmod is not loaded
[13:02:17] <alex_joni> adeos should be the last to remove
[13:02:18] <cncuser> hal_lib: Device or resource busy
[13:02:20] <cncuser> rtapi: Device or resource busy
[13:02:22] <cncuser> rtai_sem: Device or resource busy
[13:02:24] <cncuser> rtai_shm: Device or resource busy
[13:02:27] <cncuser> rtai_fifos: Device or resource busy
[13:02:28] <cncuser> rtai_up: Device or resource busy
[13:02:30] <cncuser> rtai_hal: Device or resource busy
[13:02:35] <cncuser> adeos: Device or resource busy
[13:02:37] <cncuser> rmmod: module rtai_math is not loaded
[13:02:39] <cncuser> but
[13:02:39] <alex_joni> you forgot hal_rtapi
[13:02:42] <cncuser> # lsmod
[13:02:42] <cncuser> Module Size Used by Not tainted
[13:02:44] <cncuser> hal_parport 0 0 (deleted)
[13:02:48] <cncuser> scope_rt 0 0 (deleted)
[13:02:50] <cncuser> stepgen 0 0 (deleted)
[13:02:52] <cncuser> motmod 0 0 (deleted)
[13:02:54] <cncuser> hal_lib 19072 0 [hal_parport scope_rt stepgen motmod]
[13:02:56] <cncuser> rtapi 19072 0 [hal_parport scope_rt stepgen motmod hal_lib]
[13:02:58] <cncuser> rtai_sem 11456 0 [rtapi]
[13:03:01] <cncuser> rtai_shm 5808 0 [rtapi]
[13:03:05] <cncuser> rtai_fifos 27180 0 [rtapi]
[13:03:07] <cncuser> rtai_up 35832 0 [rtapi rtai_sem rtai_shm rtai_fifos]
[13:03:08] <cncuser> rtai_hal 9172 0 [rtapi rtai_sem rtai_fifos rtai_up]
[13:03:10] <cncuser> adeos 11712 0 [rtai_up rtai_hal]
[13:03:12] <cncuser> so it is lying to me
[13:03:14] <cncuser> when it says not loaded
[13:03:16] <cncuser> there is no hal_rtapi
[13:03:23] <alex_joni> rtapi
[13:03:28] <alex_joni> sorry ;)
[13:03:33] <alex_joni> and it is loaded
[13:03:34] <cncuser> # rmmod rtapi
[13:03:35] <cncuser> rtapi: Device or resource busy
[13:03:41] <alex_joni> hal_lib
[13:03:45] <alex_joni> is using rtapi
[13:04:03] <cncuser> the unlaoding worked with the last release
[13:04:15] <cncuser> i think its somehthing else, also why does it say, is not laoded ?
[13:04:20] <alex_joni> dunno...
[13:04:27] <alex_joni> probably smthg borked
[13:04:32] <alex_joni> restart and try again
[13:04:42] <cncuser> jepp, i think i have to reboot to get that stuff unloaded
[13:05:00] <cncuser> at least X doesnt get killed when i unload modules now...
[13:05:04] <cncuser> cu later
[13:11:50] <anonimasu> 5hi
[13:12:26] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[13:13:28] <Jacky^> mornin
[13:14:10] <alex_joni> 'lo anonimasu
[13:26:00] <anonimasu> what's up?
[13:27:36] <cncuser> ok, everything back to "normal" :)
[13:34:55] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[13:47:15] <Jacky^> hello les_w
[13:50:12] <Jacky^> reading the geckodrive notes, they talk about inductance of small motors
[13:51:05] <Jacky^> small motors have low inductance, so use 2 inductances in serie and a capacitor on motro leads
[13:51:09] <Jacky^> but
[13:51:25] <Jacky^> how can i know if the motor have really low inductance ?
[13:51:39] <Jacky^> can i check it with an inductance meter ?
[13:51:59] <Jacky^> without supply the motor
[13:52:40] <Jacky^> i know the inductance varies by voltage and rpm ..
[13:52:45] <Jacky^> anyone know ?
[13:54:34] <Jacky^> also, wich range values cand be assumed as low inductance ? :/
[13:57:34] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ finished to burn drivers and start to roust motors :(
[14:59:59] <rayh-away> rayh-away is now known as rayh
[16:26:56] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[16:42:59] <les_w> doing some tests before carving a large sign
[16:43:06] <les_w> checking out the TP
[16:44:29] <CNC_Workshop> Hi les_w?
[16:44:45] <CNC_Workshop> rayh here working on the mazak
[16:44:51] <les_w> it's better...those spurious spikes are gone but
[16:44:54] <les_w> hi ray
[16:45:16] <les_w> I am still getting a lot of velocity adaptation nasties though
[16:46:09] <les_w> this basically seems to be a trajectory rate thing
[16:46:28] <les_w> which is ultimately a servo rate thing
[16:47:00] <les_w> have trajectory cycle time at .005
[16:47:14] <les_w> servo .0005
[16:47:26] <les_w> oops sorry trajectory at .001
[16:48:20] <les_w> I am going to do some more checking
[16:48:46] <les_w> and tweaking
[16:49:07] <les_w> lower trajectory/servo should give better block read rate
[16:49:22] <les_w> but les cubic sub interpolation
[16:54:44] <CNC_Workshop> by lower you mean slower or faster?
[16:55:34] <anonimasu> hello
[16:55:54] <CNC_Workshop> Hi
[17:03:59] <les_w> default trajectory peroid to servo is 10
[17:04:27] <les_w> reducing it speeds up block read, but lowers sub interpolation
[17:04:32] <les_w> according to fred
[17:05:31] <anonimasu> hm, seems stupid that there's no fix for it..
[17:05:34] <les_w> still, I am having stuttering with points .01 apart at a requested velocity of 2 ips
[17:06:11] <les_w> so that is a requested block rate of about 200.sec
[17:06:16] <les_w> it can't do it
[17:06:47] <anonimasu> what?
[17:06:55] <les_w> turned debug mostly off to see if that would help
[17:07:12] <anonimasu> why does that break sub interpolation?
[17:07:18] <les_w> 200 blocks per second at requested speed
[17:07:44] <les_w> it dies not break sub interpolation...it just gets very slow
[17:07:50] <les_w> and stuttery
[17:08:01] <anonimasu> why does it break the sub interpolation.
[17:08:02] <les_w> than messaging bit I guess
[17:08:17] <anonimasu> if it's so slow that it stutters its
[17:08:20] <anonimasu> its unusable..
[17:08:39] <les_w> well it follows the path at least
[17:08:48] <Jacky^afk> hi
[17:08:53] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[17:08:54] <les_w> but the stuttering tends to burn tools etc
[17:08:55] <anonimasu> heh..
[17:09:20] <anonimasu> what causes the stutter?
[17:09:45] <les_w> we never found out. Paul thought it was messaging overhead
[17:10:14] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[17:10:34] <les_w> this is a separate problem from the spurious acel spikes
[17:10:46] <anonimasu> I know..
[17:10:54] <les_w> well let me try a few more things
[17:11:11] <les_w> have not done much in the way of large complex paths lately
[17:11:13] <Jacky^> les_w: have a minunte ?
[17:11:20] <Jacky^> minute
[17:11:21] <les_w> yes jacky
[17:11:37] <Jacky^> i received the drivers 3 gecko g340
[17:11:42] <les_w> great
[17:11:43] <Jacky^> i'm looking for servos
[17:11:49] <les_w> ok
[17:11:50] <Jacky^> http://www.tecnicaindustriale.net/electric_motors.htm
[17:11:55] <les_w> looking
[17:12:06] <Jacky^> do you think BCS60 its ok for my applications ?
[17:12:20] <Jacky^> we talked, about 250w
[17:13:01] <les_w> yes BCS looks good
[17:13:18] <Jacky^> 3,0 Nm torque its enough ?
[17:13:32] <les_w> let me convert
[17:13:36] <Jacky^> 1x1 mt machine
[17:13:44] <Jacky^> for wood ..
[17:15:32] <Jacky^> it seems nice motor to me too
[17:16:18] <les_w> I get 416 in oz= 3 nm
[17:16:49] <les_w> a little big
[17:16:50] <Jacky^> so, should be ok i suppose
[17:16:56] <Jacky^> oh .. ok
[17:17:18] <Jacky^> the alternative seem too small
[17:17:26] <Jacky^> bcs50
[17:17:30] <les_w> jacky, before you spend a lot of money to buy, I will do a run on motioneering for you
[17:17:54] <Jacky^> ok les_w thanks a lot
[17:18:06] <Jacky^> i'm confused about voltage too
[17:18:06] <les_w> can't do it just now, but be thinking about this:
[17:18:15] <les_w> how fast you want to go
[17:18:27] <Jacky^> in that page the motors are rated 24 ... 180 Vdc
[17:18:30] <les_w> how small radius you want to cut at that speed
[17:18:40] <les_w> the moving mass of your system
[17:18:57] <Jacky^> les_w: max speed id like 10mt/min
[17:19:05] <les_w> jacky, voltage is basically speed
[17:19:14] <Jacky^> les_w: yeah
[17:19:26] <Jacky^> but the G340 is limeted to 80V
[17:20:00] <les_w> right
[17:20:32] <Jacky^> i've no idea about moving mass
[17:20:53] <Jacky^> i just know i want to build gantry move cnc
[17:21:03] <approx> i recieved my sanyo servo today
[17:21:05] <Jacky^> not table
[17:21:22] <les_w> if your motor no load speed is say 5000 at 140v, at 80 you will get 5000*80/140=2857 rpm
[17:21:37] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[17:21:48] <les_w> I can guess the moving mass jacky
[17:22:17] <les_w> 50 kg max
[17:22:53] <les_w> what about min corner radius at top speed?
[17:23:13] <Jacky^> les_w: no idea :/
[17:23:36] <les_w> heh...ok I will think about that too
[17:23:50] <Jacky^> i'm not able to calculate these parameters
[17:24:14] <les_w> for example let's say you want 2 mm min corner radius at 10 meter/min...
[17:25:43] <Jacky^> understood ..
[17:25:54] <Jacky^> this depend on motors too ?
[17:26:15] <jepler> don't you also need to know the accel to calculate the corner radius?
[17:26:19] <les_w> accel required =13.88 m/sec^2=1.41g...that is a lot. too much
[17:27:01] <les_w> hi jeff....radius= V^2/a
[17:27:37] <les_w> so a =v^2/r
[17:27:57] <les_w> just the formula for centripedal acel
[17:28:36] <les_w> jacky....yes corner radius at speed depends on motors a lot
[17:28:48] <les_w> and moving mass
[17:29:02] <les_w> and screw polar moment of inertia
[17:29:13] <les_w> and a few other things
[17:29:14] <alex_joni> hi les
[17:29:17] <Jacky^> ugh :(
[17:29:19] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[17:29:21] <alex_joni> screw inertia
[17:29:22] <alex_joni> :D
[17:29:24] <les_w> motioneering takes all that into account
[17:29:50] <les_w> screw screw inertia? ;)
[17:30:01] <alex_joni> les_w: if you say :-)
[17:30:05] <les_w> haha
[17:30:25] <Jacky^> les_w: i'm appreciating a lot you help, but i'm not able to understant that at all
[17:30:27] <anonimasu> :)
[17:30:35] <les_w> well jacky, I have to go back to the shop. We will do a motioneering run later
[17:30:37] <anonimasu> Jacky^: just get motioneering and toy with it ;)
[17:30:41] <Jacky^> my first interesting is to do work in 3D relief
[17:30:49] <les_w> I understand
[17:30:54] <Jacky^> with a very fast machine
[17:31:03] <Jacky^> very FAST*
[17:31:14] <Jacky^> many passes too
[17:31:17] <les_w> if you are going to make one, it might as well be good!
[17:31:38] <les_w> bbiaw
[17:31:43] <Jacky^> im tryng
[17:31:45] <Jacky^> :)
[17:31:54] <alex_joni> stop trying.. that won't help
[17:31:55] <alex_joni> do it
[17:32:00] <Jacky^> les_w: thank you
[17:32:04] <les_w> yw
[17:32:13] <Jacky^> alex_joni: i'm looking for the motors
[17:32:31] <Jacky^> no problem about other
[17:34:21] <Jacky^> alex_joni: dou you know gecko servodrivers right ?
[17:34:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is gone
[17:34:49] <anonimasu> Jacky^: what are you going to drive with?
[17:35:08] <Jacky^> user manual says to use a capacitor on motor, for motor with low inductance
[17:35:31] <Jacky^> anonimasu: just want to test the drivers with a small dc motor
[17:35:41] <anonimasu> for your high speed machine.
[17:35:48] <anonimasu> what are you generating pulses with?
[17:35:59] <Jacky^> O_O
[17:36:08] <Jacky^> emc ?
[17:36:26] <anonimasu> parport?
[17:36:27] <Jacky^> not enough ?
[17:36:32] <anonimasu> not barely enough
[17:36:32] <Jacky^> sure, parport
[17:36:56] <Jacky^> well, i know
[17:37:10] <Jacky^> i started to build a 'modular system'
[17:37:29] <Jacky^> if needed i will add some feature after
[17:37:41] <Jacky^> such a card
[17:38:36] <anonimasu> good luck..
[17:38:46] <Jacky^> i'd like to understand how to retrive parameters from a dc motor
[17:38:50] <Jacky^> anonimasu: ta
[17:39:01] <Jacky^> i talked with les_w about this
[17:39:10] <Jacky^> should be very interesting for me
[17:39:28] <Jacky^> for ex. in the speakers, i know how to retrieve curves
[17:39:38] <Jacky^> using impedance instruments
[17:39:56] <Jacky^> motors, are new to me
[17:40:28] <Jacky^> I know how to fine resonance frequency in a speaker
[17:40:39] <Jacky^> or draw impedance curves
[17:40:47] <Jacky^> find*
[17:42:27] <Jacky^> many time I found the curves are different respect what the manifactured sayd ..
[17:42:48] <Jacky^> sometime, is similar enough
[17:45:00] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ play Aerosmith DUDE LOOKS LIKE DADDY
[17:46:12] <Jacky^> :P
[17:51:53] <cncuser> what font does emc2 user for displaying the coordinates ?
[17:52:09] <cncuser> its looking a little pixelized with puppy
[17:52:11] <Jacky^> vera
[17:52:17] <Jacky^> boh ..
[17:52:17] <cncuser> ic, thanks
[17:52:22] <Jacky^> kidding, no idea
[17:52:28] <cncuser> :P
[17:52:28] <Jacky^> what the prob ?
[17:52:36] <cncuser> the looks
[17:52:37] <Jacky^> can't you choose fonts ?
[17:52:44] <Jacky^> oh ..
[17:52:48] <cncuser> i have to add fonts ;)
[17:52:56] <Jacky^> yup :P
[17:53:09] <Jacky^> bitstream vera its a nice font
[17:53:19] <Jacky^> free font too ;)
[17:53:21] <cncuser> jacky, but what does emc2 use ?
[17:53:30] <Jacky^> cncuser: no idea
[17:53:31] <cncuser> you cant change the coordinates fonts via menu
[17:53:42] <Jacky^> i think the ini file can help
[17:53:54] <cncuser> jacky: hmm, lets see
[17:54:16] <Jacky^> probably, also depend on fonts packages youve installed
[17:54:34] <cncuser> ok jacky, thanks
[17:54:37] <cncuser> ;)
[17:54:40] <cncuser> looping
[17:54:49] <Jacky^> :)
[17:55:22] <Jacky^> I used the default font, is pretty nice for me
[17:55:29] <cncuser> hahaha
[17:55:38] <Jacky^> ]:)
[17:56:25] <cncuser> jacky: let me try to explain. i have only typo installed. so the coordinatesfont looks really crappy here. so i want to install the necessary font to make emc2 look like it should.
[17:56:36] <jepler> cncuser: which front-end? tkemc?
[17:56:40] <cncuser> yes
[17:56:52] <Jacky^> cncuser: i love apt: apt-cache search truetype
[17:57:10] <cncuser> jacky: im limited in space
[17:57:19] <Jacky^> :(
[17:57:20] <cncuser> jacky: i only gone install the one font
[17:57:39] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ give a big 3 gb penbar to cncuser
[17:57:43] <Jacky^> :P
[17:57:55] <Jacky^> kidding
[17:57:59] <Jacky^> understood
[17:58:11] <cncuser> * cncuser throws a 5gb piece of RAM to jacky
[17:58:16] <Jacky^> try vera fonts, i use it in console
[17:58:22] <Jacky^> very clean font ;)
[17:58:39] <cncuser> it should run in ram :) ok, so preserving space is not for fun ;)
[17:59:19] <cncuser> im getting poetic
[17:59:28] <Jacky^> hehe
[18:01:29] <cncuser> i just cant find the right lines in tkemc.tcl
[18:01:54] <Jacky^> using vim try /
[18:01:59] <cncuser> label .error.msg -font {Helvetica 12 bold} -wraplength 4i -justify left -text [msgcat::mc "Error: "]"$err"
[18:01:59] <cncuser> label .opertext.msg -font {Helvetica 12 bold} -wraplength 4i -justify left -text "$otext"
[18:01:59] <cncuser> label .operdisplay.msg -font {Helvetica 12 bold} -wraplength 4i -justify left -text "$odisplay"
[18:02:02] <cncuser> hahaha
[18:02:10] <cncuser> thanks jacky, youre so funny
[18:02:11] <Jacky^> using vim try /wordtosearch
[18:02:16] <Jacky^> lol
[18:02:30] <cncuser> * cncuser hits jacky with an Emacs
[18:02:45] <Jacky^> wow great Emacs
[18:02:52] <Jacky^> ;)
[18:03:01] <Jacky^> i send sms too from emacs
[18:03:04] <Jacky^> hahaha
[18:03:18] <Jacky^> cool
[18:03:32] <cncuser> is send osc with emacs
[18:03:39] <cncuser> supercolider rocks ;)
[18:03:45] <jepler> cncuser: I'm looking at emc1. There's a file called TkEmc which has certain widget options in it. I think this one sets the font for the position readouts: *top*position*font: -*-courier-bold-r-normal-*-56-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
[18:03:46] <Jacky^> emacs isnt an editor
[18:03:53] <Jacky^> it is an O.S. !
[18:03:55] <Jacky^> :P
[18:04:09] <cncuser> Jacky^: you can blowup vim too
[18:04:29] <cncuser> Jacky^: whatever, not the time, not the place, not my discussion :) i use vi
[18:04:31] <Jacky^> I know
[18:05:24] <cncuser> jepler: hmm, yes
[18:05:31] <cncuser> maybe
[18:05:44] <cncuser> ma mount chaos
[18:05:48] <cncuser> :)
[18:06:33] <cncuser> .. /mnt0-8 used by loopmounted isos, diskimages, and the isos within ;)
[18:06:58] <cncuser> of course i know i cant write to iso, stupid puter
[18:07:02] <cncuser> :)
[18:10:20] <cncuser> hmm, again the problem with the unload :( thought i fixed that
[18:14:15] <cncuser> sbin/insmod /root/cnc/realtime/modules/rtai_up.o
[18:14:22] <cncuser> hmm, hanging around, unkillable
[18:16:19] <cncuser> hmmm
[18:16:59] <cncuser> Module Size Used by Not tainted
[18:17:00] <cncuser> hal_lib 0 0 (deleted)
[18:17:00] <cncuser> rtapi 19072 0 [hal_lib]
[18:17:00] <cncuser> rtai_sem 10560 0 [rtapi]
[18:17:00] <cncuser> rtai_shm 5776 0 [rtapi]
[18:17:00] <cncuser> rtai_fifos 26764 0 [rtapi]
[18:17:02] <cncuser> rtai_up 56600 0 [rtapi rtai_sem rtai_shm rtai_fifos]
[18:17:04] <cncuser> rtai_hal 9652 0 [rtapi rtai_sem rtai_shm rtai_fifos rtai_up]
[18:17:06] <cncuser> adeos 11712 0 [rtai_up rtai_hal]
[18:17:16] <cncuser> no emc part
[18:17:19] <cncuser> only rtai
[18:23:05] <cncuser> ok
[18:23:06] <cncuser> no
[18:23:08] <cncuser> its emc2
[18:23:11] <cncuser> hal_lib
[18:23:20] <cncuser> how can i get rid of it ?
[18:23:51] <fenn> rmmod hal_lib?
[18:23:57] <cncuser> rmmod: module hal_lib is not loaded
[18:24:21] <cncuser> fenn: look at my lsmod output above
[18:25:10] <fenn> rmmod hal-lib ?
[18:25:18] <cncuser> # rmmod hal_lib
[18:25:18] <cncuser> rmmod: module hal_lib is not loaded
[18:25:34] <cncuser> i can say that 20 more time if you wish, its in my copy and paste buffer
[18:26:06] <BET-frogger> fenn have u a look at the lsmod from cncuser :
[18:26:09] <BET-frogger> <cncuser> Module Size Used by Not tainted
[18:26:09] <BET-frogger> <cncuser> hal_lib 0 0 (deleted)
[18:26:09] <BET-frogger> <cncuser> rtapi 19072 0 [hal_lib]
[18:26:15] <fenn> yes i just saw it
[18:26:27] <fenn> try rmmod rtapi, or rmmod adeos
[18:26:45] <cncuser> rtapi: Device or resource busy
[18:26:45] <cncuser> adeos: Device or resource busy
[18:26:47] <cncuser> no way
[18:26:55] <BET-frogger> cncuser can u reproduce the rmmod problem?
[18:27:10] <cncuser> well, yes, i guess
[18:27:32] <fenn> try fuser /dev/shm
[18:27:55] <cncuser> nothing in there
[18:28:10] <BET-frogger> and what happens if you just load rtai and the emc2 modules and then unload both
[18:28:25] <BET-frogger> without an additional (e.g. your) application ?
[18:28:26] <cncuser> well, i cant start emc while some modules are loafded
[18:28:53] <BET-frogger> i mean after a reboot
[18:29:02] <cncuser> oh, ah, well i could do that, but i hate looking into emc.run by now
[18:29:11] <BET-frogger> just load rtai and emc then unload it emc fist, then rtai
[18:29:23] <cncuser> brrz
[18:29:26] <BET-frogger> if this works, try some more action with emc
[18:29:35] <cncuser> cu inaminute
[18:30:18] <BET-frogger> fenn can u please say cncuser that i have to leave, i'll be back in 1 hour or so....
[18:30:21] <BET-frogger> cu
[18:32:33] <cncuser> ok
[18:33:02] <fenn> BET-frogger and I have to go, we'll be back in an hour or so
[18:33:09] <fenn> :P
[18:33:25] <Jacky^> hi fenn :)
[18:33:49] <cncuser> ok
[18:44:47] <Jacky^> Jymmm: !!
[18:44:58] <Jacky^> good morning america :)
[18:46:15] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ give a cooke to Jymmm :P
[18:48:24] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ retry with a sweet cookie
[18:48:37] <Jacky^> Jymmm: waking up ?
[18:48:41] <Jacky^> :)
[18:49:09] <Jacky^> ouch, you sleep a lot
[18:49:14] <Jacky^> 19:06 < Jacky^> :)
[18:51:07] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ umpf
[18:51:36] <Jacky^> i think Jymmm is sleeping
[18:51:46] <Jacky^> that just a cron job :/
[18:59:59] <cncuser> hmm now the bad filedescriptor message
[19:10:16] <cncuser> ok, some rtai scripts had /bin/sh as interpreter - that was ash in my case :)
[19:22:34] <les_w> ran some more tests
[19:24:06] <anonimasu> and how did they turn out?
[19:25:49] <les_w> well, seemingly independent of block speed there is a fundamental problem I think when the limiting case of trapezoidal to triangular velocity profile is reached
[19:26:26] <les_w> when tringular, path is still followd but blending ceases
[19:27:24] <les_w> triangular
[19:28:14] <les_w> with these tests I should have been fine on block rate
[19:29:15] <les_w> normally going to triangular, the vertex of the triangle gets lower and lower as higher speeds are demanded
[19:29:19] <les_w> that happens
[19:29:38] <les_w> and is normal velocity adaptation.
[19:30:01] <les_w> but when there is no dwell phase blending seems to cease or malfunction.
[19:30:01] <Jymmm> hi les
[19:30:09] <les_w> hi jymmm
[19:30:54] <Jymmm> les_w : Have you ever ordered from http://routerbitworld.com/ before?
[19:31:10] <les_w> hmm no I don't think so
[19:32:28] <Jymmm> les_w: I ordered a 1/4 to 1/8 adapter from them two weeks ago, they emailed OOS, I called yesterday and day, they said they'll ship today. I need bits (snapped two of mine). argh! lol
[19:33:10] <les_w> I kinda expect same day shipment these days
[19:33:20] <anonimasu> yep
[19:33:40] <Jymmm> * Jymmm needs 1/8" downcut with 1" cutting area
[19:34:02] <les_w> sometimes rarely...things are on back order...I cancel.
[19:34:32] <les_w> just a little message: the purpose of stores is to carry inventory
[19:34:46] <les_w> that's why they call them stores
[19:34:54] <Jymmm> lol
[19:35:36] <Jymmm> ever use amana bits?
[19:35:59] <les_w> yes. Amana makes quality bits
[19:37:06] <les_w> back to the shop for me
[19:37:09] <les_w> bbiaw
[19:37:12] <Jymmm> oh... on my 3rd attempt to make this HD sign and it shredded it...
[19:37:26] <Jymmm> A screw came loose on the Z axis
[19:37:50] <Jymmm> stopped the Z from moving to it's proper position
[19:38:01] <Jacky^> Jymmm: ?
[19:38:24] <Jacky^> :(
[19:38:56] <Jacky^> hello k4ts :)
[19:39:09] <k4ts> hello
[19:39:34] <Jacky^> k4ts: tell another word
[19:39:38] <Jacky^> :)
[19:40:03] <Jacky^> ok ok
[19:40:14] <Jacky^> say ciao to Jymmm
[19:40:29] <Jacky^> k4ts: capito ?
[19:40:30] <Jymmm> ciao Jymmm
[19:40:36] <Jacky^> nahhh
[19:40:43] <Jacky^> :)
[19:40:43] <k4ts> si raccomantami del lavoro
[19:40:55] <k4ts> raccontami
[19:40:56] <Jacky^> Jymmm: s� svegliato male :/
[19:41:08] <Jymmm> s� svegliato female :/
[19:41:13] <Jacky^> hehe
[19:41:27] <k4ts> hi Jim
[19:41:30] <Jacky^> I sayd Jymmm is waking up bad :/
[19:41:34] <Jymmm> hello k4ts
[19:41:36] <Jacky^> hehe
[19:41:37] <k4ts> jymm
[19:41:41] <k4ts> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuffffffffffff
[19:41:46] <Jymmm> Jacky^ lies!
[19:41:50] <Jacky^> lol
[19:41:53] <Jacky^> :)
[19:42:13] <Jacky^> ok, k4ts switch to #emc.it
[19:42:27] <Jacky^> :P
[19:42:40] <k4ts> mi ha cacciata?
[19:42:46] <Jacky^> umpf no
[19:42:58] <Jacky^> commuta su #emc.it :)
[19:43:11] <Jacky^> or
[19:43:15] <Jacky^> ok
[19:58:59] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[20:11:41] <anonimasu> Jymmm: ok
[20:11:45] <anonimasu> err les
[20:12:25] <BET-frogger> cncuser how are the things going?
[20:12:25] <Jymmm> whats ok
[20:12:46] <anonimasu> Jymmm: shredding a sign..
[20:12:56] <anonimasu> stuff like that happens..
[20:13:03] <anonimasu> but seriously I was trying to write to les..
[20:13:55] <Jymmm> he went back to the shop
[20:19:22] <anonimasu> hm ok
[20:26:53] <K`zan> Morning folks
[20:28:43] <Jymmm> hola
[20:51:53] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[21:20:19] <vw> Heh, building the driver was the simple part, now to figure out something to make it move :)
[21:20:29] <cncuser> BET-frogger: everything fine now
[21:20:40] <Jymmm> vw solid fuel rocket engine
[21:21:32] <cncuser> well
[21:21:47] <cncuser> im allmost finished.. gotta see where i should go upload
[21:21:52] <cncuser> aeh could
[21:27:13] <vw> doesn't look like the emc docs are on the bdi...
[21:28:44] <BET-frogger> cncuser fine
[21:29:57] <anonimasu> vw: have you had a look at the wiki?
[21:30:13] <vw> at least all thoise years of deb are coming back :-).
[21:30:29] <anonimasu> I wonder if a avr would decode this 20 ppr encoder..
[21:30:31] <anonimasu> for me
[21:30:37] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[21:30:38] <icee> 20PPR? no problem
[21:30:44] <vw> anonimasu, as soon as I get a usable browser installed :).
[21:33:18] <anonimasu> I am building a digital wheel..
[21:33:33] <anonimasu> not for jogging but for navigating menus and stuff.
[21:34:38] <vw> Somewhere there HAS to be some info on hooking up the parallel port to the driver....
[21:34:50] <anonimasu> vw: what driver?
[21:34:51] <anonimasu> ask here..
[21:34:52] <anonimasu> :D
[21:39:20] <anonimasu> vw: still there?
[21:39:20] <anonimasu> ah well
[21:39:20] <anonimasu> *goes away a bot*
[21:39:20] <anonimasu> bit..
[21:39:20] <Jacky^> mmhhh
[21:39:20] <Jacky^> endmill bit ?
[21:39:20] <vw> anonimasu, My homebrew AVR based driver. I know the controller expects step and direction inputs and apparently something else to tell the controller that it has a driver out there.
[21:39:20] <vw> Found the EMC Handbook, perhaps that will help :-).
[21:39:20] <vw> But first MORE COFFEE! brb
[21:39:20] <Jacky^> whois ww
[21:39:20] <Jacky^> ops
[21:39:33] <Jymmm> Jacky^ *** BUSTED ***
[21:39:39] <Jacky^> nmap -sT -P0 ww
[21:39:41] <Jacky^> lol
[21:39:43] <Jacky^> :)
[21:39:51] <dmess> hi
[21:40:16] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ searching busted on dictionary ............
[21:40:32] <anonimasu> vw: um, are you going to use step & dir or are you going to write a custom driver?
[21:40:48] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ processing busted term ................
[21:41:26] <Jacky^> nice :)
[21:42:52] <Jacky^> ww whre from ?
[21:43:52] <Jacky^> vw: where from ?
[21:44:30] <Jacky^> vw: hey
[21:44:42] <Jacky^> you alive ??
[21:44:47] <Jacky^> :P
[21:45:38] <anonimasu> hm, I think I can do with one interupt for sensing direction..
[21:45:48] <anonimasu> yep
[21:45:51] <Jacky^> vw: where from ?
[21:46:00] <anonimasu> Jacky^: he's a goner..
[21:46:01] <Jacky^> :/
[21:46:01] <anonimasu> :D
[21:46:09] <Jacky^> whats a goner ??
[21:46:15] <Jacky^> .goner !
[21:46:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu starts fiddling with the avr
[21:46:58] <Jacky^> anonimasu: fishing with avr ??
[21:47:01] <Jacky^> O_O
[21:47:39] <Jacky^> heheh
[21:47:51] <Jacky^> understood
[21:47:53] <Jacky^> :)
[21:48:20] <Jacky^> who is vw ?
[21:48:28] <Jacky^> italian ??
[21:48:42] <Jacky^> finland ?
[21:48:54] <Jacky^> vw: hello
[21:49:00] <anonimasu> Jacky^: calm down.
[21:49:02] <Jacky^> can you heard me ?
[21:49:12] <Jacky^> where you call from ?
[21:49:21] <Jacky^> anonimasu: yeah
[21:49:34] <Jacky^> :)
[21:49:39] <vw> Sheez, like it matters who I am? K`zan on the development box, since it seems to be so important.
[21:50:09] <Jacky^> vw: nice to meet you
[21:50:15] <Jacky^> i'm jack :)
[21:50:17] <anonimasu> vw: care to explain a bit more about how you plan to drive your drives..
[21:51:08] <Jacky^> oh ..
[21:51:14] <vw> With something off the bdi install? I am assuming (heh) emc or something here. Much to learn. The drive was the easy part :-)
[21:51:15] <Jacky^> problems ?
[21:51:30] <anonimasu> Well the easiest is if you just install BDI
[21:51:38] <vw> Problem is basic ignorance at this point
[21:51:45] <anonimasu> there really isnt much special about it
[21:51:49] <vw> this is the bdi 4.30 install...
[21:51:51] <anonimasu> it's a bit tricky the first time..
[21:52:16] <Jacky^> vw: i'm ignorant tooo :)
[21:52:25] <Jacky^> whats the prob ? :P
[21:52:47] <Jacky^> ok..
[21:52:49] <vw> When I last did this, I drew up the part I needed, ran it through a converter which spit out paper tape, which got hauled out to the Moog and read in...
[21:52:54] <Jacky^> ask to anonimasu
[21:53:02] <Jacky^> ]:)
[21:53:20] <anonimasu> vw: have you found the emc directory yet?
[21:53:23] <vw> First off I need to hook up the parallel port to the drive (only one at this point).
[21:53:35] <anonimasu> do you plan to run emc1 or emc2 ?
[21:53:50] <Jacky^> anonimasu: :P
[21:53:58] <vw> Lots of G Code examples in there, none of which will do much unless the driver is connected and working :)
[21:53:59] <Jacky^> anonimasu: do not delude me
[21:54:02] <Jacky^> :)
[21:54:08] <anonimasu> Jacky^: I am not
[21:54:16] <anonimasu> if you run emc1 you need to follow the standard pinouts
[21:54:18] <Jacky^> heheheh
[21:54:29] <anonimasu> but if you run emc2 you can change them around easily :)
[21:55:04] <vw> I am assuming the emc on this is emc1, there is the shureline stuff and others which I know nothing about at this point.
[21:55:13] <anonimasu> hey alex
[21:55:23] <alex_joni> morning :)
[21:55:31] <Jacky^> mmhhh
[21:55:33] <vw> * vw heads for kitchen to flog the coffee pot to greater efforts, bbiad
[21:55:35] <vw> bbiad
[21:55:38] <vw> arghhhhhhhh
[21:55:39] <anonimasu> ok
[21:55:40] <Jacky^> hello alex_joni
[21:55:40] <vw> bbiaf
[21:55:42] <vw> :-)
[21:55:48] <anonimasu> BBBBBYWWWDC
[21:55:51] <Jacky^> alex_joni: needs your help
[21:55:51] <anonimasu> ;)
[21:55:59] <alex_joni> Jacky^: it
[21:56:10] <Jacky^> listen
[21:56:15] <alex_joni> Jacky^: it's 23:13, I've been sleeping since 18... :D
[21:56:20] <alex_joni> going to bed again soon
[21:56:23] <alex_joni> so say quick
[21:56:30] <Jacky^> ouch
[21:56:50] <Jacky^> are you in the same streey taked by Jymmm ??
[21:57:05] <Jacky^> street*
[21:57:23] <Jacky^> alex_joni: 3 hours at day are enough
[21:57:25] <Jacky^> :)
[21:58:32] <Jacky^> alex_joni: vw is new
[21:58:48] <Jacky^> from italy
[21:58:53] <anonimasu> it's k�zan
[21:58:54] <Jacky^> he need help
[21:59:01] <Jacky^> oh ..
[21:59:06] <Jacky^> K`zan: ??
[21:59:10] <Jacky^> :/
[21:59:25] <Jacky^> K`zan: really ?
[21:59:45] <Jacky^> true ??
[22:00:24] <alex_joni> Jacky^: ever heard of whois?
[22:01:13] <Jacky^> no ..
[22:01:22] <Jacky^> who ?
[22:01:38] <Jacky^> :(
[22:01:54] <Jacky^> i was thinking a beautiful girl ..
[22:01:58] <Jacky^> ghghghg
[22:02:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is too tired for this
[22:11:18] <vw> Ok, looks like pin 2 is direction, pin 3 is clock/step and 18-25 are grounds. What is it that tells emc/the controller that there is something out there ?
[22:12:02] <Jacky^> vw: ok
[22:12:08] <vw> I was also under the impression that there is an "enable" signal for the drive and one would assume an external ESTOP input ?!?
[22:12:44] <Jacky^> it can be implemented in the driver
[22:12:48] <Jacky^> i think
[22:14:07] <vw> It is at this point: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/CNC/adriver-M16-1.pdf
[22:14:46] <vw> All the driver expects is a clock, direction and, of course, ground.
[22:15:04] <Jacky^> uhm .. nope
[22:15:18] <Jacky^> is this at this point: http://www.allcelebrity.it/Arcuri/
[22:15:18] <anonimasu> that's all you usually use
[22:15:45] <vw> In putzing around (and at this point it IS putzing :), I tell emc or one of the other controllers to do something and it complains that there is nothing out there.
[22:16:03] <anonimasu> emc dosent complain ;)
[22:16:04] <vw> lemme bring up emc again
[22:16:53] <anonimasu> ok
[22:17:03] <vw> command (EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN) cannot be executed until the machine is out of E-stop and turned on
[22:17:09] <vw> Sounds like a complaint to me :)
[22:17:12] <Jacky^> i like this: http://www.allcelebrity.it/Arcuri/19.jpg
[22:17:14] <Jacky^> :P
[22:17:38] <vw> How does emc determine that the drive is turned on?
[22:17:54] <anonimasu> vw: push the estop button
[22:18:03] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:18:06] <anonimasu> and push estop off or whatever it says
[22:18:09] <Jacky^> push the button
[22:18:14] <anonimasu> the command are F1 then F2
[22:18:24] <Jacky^> at the center
[22:19:04] <vw> emctask.cc 274: interp_error: Unknown word starting with a - lemme load another file, pretty much anything I would think would move the X axis :)
[22:19:19] <anonimasu> why dont you just use the mdi mode?
[22:19:22] <anonimasu> g0 x0
[22:19:27] <anonimasu> err g0 x10
[22:19:40] <Jacky^> mmh anonimasu
[22:20:11] <anonimasu> you push where it says manual and change it to MDI
[22:20:24] <vw> moving this over to the EMC desktop before I wear out my wrist and mouse :)
[22:21:03] <vw> OK, warming up the soldering iron now.
[22:21:24] <Jacky^> vw: how many watts ?
[22:21:31] <vw> I suppose I should run those signals through a ?10K? resistor...
[22:21:43] <Jacky^> :/
[22:21:45] <vw> Depends on where you crank the temp control to :)
[22:22:11] <vw> Lemme find some reference for that, Not sure how the AVR will stand up to 12V inputs :).
[22:22:15] <Jacky^> vw: where from ??
[22:22:23] <vw> ??
[22:22:27] <Jacky^> female ?
[22:22:51] <Jacky^> what ?
[22:22:54] <vw> the wall socket, generally female, at least in the US (where I live).
[22:23:18] <Jacky^> uhmmm
[22:23:24] <anonimasu> it wont stand up to it..
[22:23:25] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:23:33] <Jacky^> vw: you like kidding :(
[22:23:59] <vw> I assumed you meant the soldering station.
[22:24:12] <Jacky^> to do ?
[22:24:40] <Jacky^> vw: i can'0t understand you
[22:24:45] <alex_joni> either there's something wrong with me, or you people just don't make any freakin' sense today
[22:24:49] <Jacky^> ouch
[22:24:56] <Jacky^> alex_joni: ?
[22:24:58] <alex_joni> don't you talk in sentences any more?
[22:25:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni means the last 10-12 posts
[22:25:27] <Jacky^> alex_joni: what are U doing ?
[22:25:33] <alex_joni> [23:40] <Jacky^> vw: where from ??
[22:25:34] <alex_joni> [23:40] <vw> ??
[22:25:34] <alex_joni> [23:40] <Jacky^> female ?
[22:25:34] <alex_joni> [23:40] <Jacky^> what ?
[22:25:34] <alex_joni> [23:40] <vw> the wall socket, generally female,
[22:25:41] <Jacky^> quit, ente, ente quit ? :/
[22:25:41] <alex_joni> does that make sense to anyone?
[22:25:51] <Jacky^> waht ?
[22:25:54] <Jacky^> :)
[22:25:58] <alex_joni> I heard vw is having problems with estop
[22:26:04] <Jacky^> nah
[22:26:09] <k4ts> Jacky^
[22:26:13] <alex_joni> but it seems, it's more like a communication issue
[22:26:13] <vw> Checking voltage on pins 2 and 3 and it looks like 3.3V
[22:26:19] <k4ts> chi � vw?
[22:26:25] <Jacky^> vw: want to know if estop is better from sw or from hw
[22:26:39] <alex_joni> k4ts: Jacky^'s new girlfriend
[22:26:42] <Jacky^> k4ts: what ?
[22:26:57] <k4ts> allora Jacky^ finiscila di fare
[22:26:58] <Jacky^> k4ts: are you male ?
[22:27:03] <Jacky^> :(
[22:27:25] <Jacky^> k4ts: serously
[22:27:27] <vw> * vw thinks Jacky^ has an obscession that has no place here...
[22:27:34] <alex_joni> ok.. I have something to ask you guys
[22:27:37] <fenn> * fenn thinks Jacky^ has had a few too many to drink
[22:27:48] <alex_joni> keep it related to the channel
[22:27:49] <Jacky^> vw: boh ..
[22:27:53] <alex_joni> so think twice before posting
[22:27:59] <anonimasu> and type slower
[22:28:01] <Jacky^> ok..
[22:28:15] <alex_joni> Jacky^: that means, no more posts of naked women.. ok?
[22:28:23] <alex_joni> it's definately not the place for that
[22:28:33] <Jacky^> alex_joni: ok ok ..
[22:28:39] <Jacky^> kust posted manuela
[22:28:44] <Jacky^> shes great
[22:28:49] <Jacky^> btw ok
[22:28:54] <Jacky^> :(
[22:28:55] <alex_joni> don't want to change this list to op-moderated
[22:29:09] <Jacky^> i know
[22:29:19] <k4ts> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adibenedettoanna/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_photoalbum=showdefault&_c=photoalbum&_c02_owner=1
[22:29:32] <Jacky^> alex_joni: ban k4ts !!!!
[22:29:35] <Jacky^> :P
[22:29:49] <k4ts> ah ah
[22:30:24] <Jacky^> k4ts: whats that ?
[22:30:44] <Jacky^> :/
[22:30:51] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[22:31:12] <fenn> * fenn goes away
[22:31:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes back to something usefull
[22:31:19] <Jacky^> :)
[22:31:35] <vw> k4ts a ham call ?
[22:32:27] <vw> k4ts de wv9k/7 k
[22:32:36] <Jacky^> no idea..
[22:32:51] <k4ts> cosa dice questa?
[22:33:06] <Jacky^> k4ts: who is ?
[22:33:14] <Jacky^> chi � quella ??
[22:33:28] <k4ts> vw ?
[22:33:32] <Jacky^> no ..
[22:33:43] <vw> k4ts a ham call ?
[22:33:43] <Jacky^> in the photo
[22:33:53] <k4ts> I'm girl of Jacky^
[22:34:00] <Jacky^> :)
[22:34:03] <Jacky^> no ..
[22:34:08] <Jacky^> i was asking
[22:34:26] <vw> * vw checking to see if I need current limiter in the lines from the parallel port.
[22:34:31] <Jacky^> who is the gilrs in the photo ?
[22:34:37] <Jacky^> the other girl
[22:34:37] <anonimasu> Can you two talk italian somwhere else?
[22:34:47] <icee> jacky: shut up, kindly
[22:34:50] <Jacky^> i like it
[22:34:54] <Jacky^> slurrp
[22:34:56] <Jacky^> :)
[22:35:02] <icee> jacky: I know you enjoy being a twit but there's no need for us to put up with it
[22:35:12] <vw> This is what ignore is for :)
[22:35:12] <anonimasu> vw: the best thing would be if you had optoisolators
[22:35:21] <anonimasu> vw: but resistors will work just fine :)
[22:35:24] <vw> anonimasu, Will add those later on.
[22:35:30] <vw> Recommended value ?
[22:35:41] <Jacky^> ok guys, just kidding ..
[22:35:44] <anonimasu> I have no idea at all
[22:35:55] <anonimasu> you could try to look at the web what other people use for micros
[22:35:55] <vw> :) me either, researching...
[22:36:06] <anonimasu> 10k ohm maybe..
[22:36:14] <alex_joni> 10k sounds ok
[22:36:23] <alex_joni> in doubt start with greater
[22:36:28] <alex_joni> limits the current out
[22:36:42] <alex_joni> 27k or so, and reduce if it doesn't work
[22:37:26] <Jacky^> :(
[22:37:51] <alex_joni> Jacky^: what's wrong with 27k ?
[22:38:04] <Jacky^> ssshh
[22:38:53] <alex_joni> alex_joni has kicked Jacky^ from #emc
[22:39:14] <k4ts> mah?
[22:39:23] <k4ts> because kikked?
[22:39:39] <alex_joni> stop talking crap in here
[22:40:19] <alex_joni> imnotjacky: you've been warned
[22:40:35] <imnotjacky> ok
[22:41:25] <imnotjacky> right
[22:41:39] <imnotjacky> sorry
[22:41:54] <alex_joni> np, don't make me warn you again :)
[22:41:58] <alex_joni> back to cnc talk
[22:46:28] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ play Kc_and|sunhine]band.mp3 :P
[22:55:26] <vw> OK, 10k looks good, all hooked up now.
[22:55:40] <vw> lets hit run and see if anything happens...
[22:55:55] <alex_joni> watch for smoke
[22:56:22] <vw> 0-new.ngc doesn't seem to make emc happy :-/.
[22:56:46] <alex_joni> vw: it would be usefull if you provide more info than that
[22:57:21] <vw> Error: Line 1: Unknown word starting with a (unprintable)
[22:57:44] <alex_joni> ok.. how about line 1? think you can paste that in here?
[22:57:46] <vw> 3dtest.ngc is doing something, but it is not driving the driver.
[22:58:04] <alex_joni> I would suggest to try simple things first
[22:58:10] <alex_joni> what axis is the driver on?
[22:58:11] <alex_joni> X?
[22:58:14] <vw> Yes
[22:58:21] <vw> Pins 2 and three out of the parallel port
[22:58:47] <alex_joni> ok.. turn on emc, hit F1 and F2 (you should see Estop Reset, and Machine On in that order)
[22:58:52] <alex_joni> then Hit F5 -> MDI
[22:59:00] <vw> Got the IO_show script running...
[22:59:00] <alex_joni> you can enter G01 X10 F1
[22:59:01] <vw> ok
[22:59:05] <vw> lemme stop
[22:59:14] <alex_joni> and it slowly should go from the current position to X=10
[22:59:39] <alex_joni> maybe it'll fail and complain that 10 is out of bounds.. in that case change with 9 or another value
[23:00:17] <anonimasu> nice
[23:00:18] <vw> it did and I will :)
[23:00:22] <anonimasu> I got the interupts working
[23:01:06] <vw> Seems that direction is triggering(p2) but not step/clock (p3)
[23:01:36] <alex_joni> what emc is this?
[23:01:48] <alex_joni> maybe you got them mixed up?
[23:02:05] <vw> Help/about is useless for version, checking further
[23:02:12] <alex_joni> how did you install?
[23:02:48] <vw> And help/info does nothing, confidence inspiring :-).
[23:02:56] <vw> off the 4.30 bdi
[23:03:17] <vw> Lemme toss some LEDs on those lines
[23:03:38] <alex_joni> ok.. 4.30 is a weird one ;) it's a combination of emc1 and emc2
[23:03:47] <alex_joni> but it's ok.. should be using standard pins
[23:04:44] <vw> Nothing happening there, further checking...
[23:06:15] <Jacky^> alex_joni: question for you
[23:06:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is waiting
[23:06:50] <Jacky^> how to measure inductance for a small dc motor ?
[23:07:51] <alex_joni> no idea :/
[23:07:58] <Jacky^> alex_joni: ta
[23:08:02] <icee> build a LC circuit
[23:08:34] <Jacky^> lc bridge ?
[23:08:39] <icee> measure response time for capacitor to charge to 70% of input voltage. voila.
[23:08:50] <Jacky^> have a schematic ?
[23:09:13] <Jacky^> :P
[23:09:20] <Jacky^> ok, thnaks
[23:09:40] <Jymmm> Jacky^: Sure... ------|====|----- ------|(--------
[23:09:55] <Jacky^> tried to measure 3 dc motors
[23:10:15] <Jacky^> results: 3, 8, 12 mh
[23:10:36] <Jacky^> hey Jymmm :)
[23:14:04] <vw> G01 X0 F1 bring it back ?
[23:15:34] <alex_joni> vw: you got it
[23:15:50] <vw> I may have misunderstood....
[23:16:16] <vw> maybe step/clock is just a level rather than an actual pulse per step.
[23:16:24] <alex_joni> nope
[23:16:30] <alex_joni> it should be pulse per step
[23:16:30] <vw> THat would jive with what I am seeing.
[23:16:36] <alex_joni> but direction is level
[23:16:55] <vw> Possible bad parallel port, not sure what is going on here, level just sits at about 3.3V
[23:17:29] <vw> ditto for dir
[23:18:43] <vw> dir seems ok up is high, down is low...
[23:19:13] <alex_joni> vw: try again with driver disconnected
[23:19:18] <vw> Time for the oscope...
[23:19:25] <alex_joni> was this meter?
[23:19:28] <vw> Yes
[23:19:38] <alex_joni> probably that's why.. missing steps because they are too fast
[23:19:43] <alex_joni> scope it to know for sure
[23:19:55] <vw> Yep, just got to dig it out :)
[23:20:00] <vw> * vw digs now
[23:26:37] <vw> Ok, we are pulsing.
[23:26:53] <vw> slowly, but pulsing.
[23:27:12] <vw> F2 make it run faster ?
[23:27:18] <alex_joni> yup
[23:27:23] <alex_joni> Fxxx is speed in IPM
[23:27:27] <alex_joni> if you run inches
[23:27:29] <vw> * vw needs a G code cheat sheet :)
[23:27:31] <vw> THanks@!
[23:27:38] <alex_joni> F10 and F20 might be even faster :D
[23:27:42] <anonimasu> I were/win 12
[23:27:53] <alex_joni> vw: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Gcode
[23:28:31] <vw> Signal disappears on the other side of the 10K resistor.
[23:28:56] <alex_joni> probably too big
[23:29:05] <alex_joni> how did you connect it?
[23:30:39] <vw> Pinx - 330 pf to ground through 10K to interrupt pin on AVR (4K7 pull up on that).
[23:34:06] <alex_joni> try smaller resistor
[23:34:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is gone for today
[23:34:14] <alex_joni> later
[23:34:27] <vw> 1k now looks really dirty
[23:35:13] <anonimasu> watch out so you dont fry the avr
[23:35:23] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is doing encoder decoding on the avr now
[23:35:32] <les_w> well did a big sign....lots of contouring
[23:36:01] <anonimasu> how did it end up?
[23:36:15] <vw> resistor out completely - working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:36:24] <les_w> sign was ok, but had to go slow.
[23:36:28] <les_w> he great vw
[23:37:09] <les_w> you know, emc is just not suitable for high speed machining with contouring.
[23:37:31] <anonimasu> les_w: why dont we fix it?
[23:37:34] <anonimasu> ^_^
[23:37:53] <les_w> well we fixed a bug....
[23:38:03] <les_w> I guess this is another
[23:38:16] <anonimasu> remember that we had a talk about it before?
[23:38:36] <les_w> well about the surious decels
[23:38:37] <les_w> yes
[23:38:42] <les_w> and we fixed that
[23:38:46] <anonimasu> hm, also about block processing..
[23:38:49] <les_w> spurious
[23:38:59] <anonimasu> werent that the orginal reason we started to look at nurbs in the first place
[23:39:35] <anonimasu> it was long before the bug..
[23:39:36] <les_w> I think the transition to triangular velocity profile is the key
[23:39:41] <les_w> but I can test that
[23:39:56] <anonimasu> drop me a mail with the results
[23:40:01] <les_w> if more acel gives better results...that's it
[23:40:19] <les_w> ok
[23:40:21] <anonimasu> * anonimasu ponders digging more TP soon
[23:40:25] <anonimasu> you remember my mail dont you?
[23:40:38] <les_w> let me check
[23:41:22] <vw> Got some work to do here, 9" according to emc seems to be about 1.5"
[23:41:42] <les_w> uh oh
[23:41:44] <anonimasu> do you know the pitch of your screws?
[23:41:53] <vw> And I got something screwy with my forward stepping in the interrupt routine...
[23:41:56] <les_w> anon don't have you in contacts
[23:41:59] <vw> 1/4-20
[23:42:11] <icee> so .050 per rev
[23:42:22] <icee> how many steps per rev on the stepper? 200? and are you using microstepping?
[23:42:26] <vw> yes
[23:42:29] <anonimasu> might be under an0n
[23:42:30] <vw> 200
[23:42:40] <icee> and the microstepping?
[23:42:46] <vw> I am not sure if I am microstepping or not, to be honest...
[23:42:47] <les_w> naw I chwcked ...better pm me with it
[23:42:54] <icee> vw: what driver are you using?
[23:43:04] <vw> My own homebrew:
[23:43:40] <icee> well, it will depend on the design of that driver how many 'steps' from EMC is one step on the stepper
[23:44:00] <icee> if you're not microstepping, your scale should be 4000 in the ini
[23:44:00] <vw> just a sec, lemme find the url to the driver...
[23:44:05] <icee> (200 / .050)
[23:44:15] <les_w> hi icee
[23:44:20] <icee> hey les.. how goes it?
[23:44:27] <icee> Your family do OK through the hurricane?
[23:44:28] <vw> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/CNC/adriver-M16-1.pdf
[23:44:28] <les_w> ok.
[23:44:34] <les_w> yeah fine
[23:44:35] <vw> Steps look like:
[23:44:46] <icee> that's good
[23:45:09] <fenn> sheesh. just paid $20 for a switch: http://www.appliancepartsresource.com/parts/207166.htm
[23:45:34] <fenn> let this be a lesson to all of ye: hoard your junk, and hoard it well
[23:45:36] <K`zan> Got the driver code over here on my regular box, but the steps are:
[23:45:41] <K`zan> step_tab[8] = { 0x08, 0x0a, 0x02, 0x06, 0x04, 0x05, 0x01, 0x09 };
[23:45:54] <les_w> well, soon you will be paying $20 for a loaf of bread ;)
[23:45:56] <K`zan> 25 of those makes a full turn
[23:46:10] <icee> vw: it depends on the design of the software on that, but i'd guess it's single or half stepping
[23:46:37] <K`zan> I can cut the above down to 4 values and it runs a lot faster and a lot rougher...
[23:47:11] <icee> yah, that's half stepping, it looks like
[23:47:18] <icee> OK, you need a scale of 8000, i think.
[23:47:23] <K`zan> Is that bad ?
[23:47:43] <icee> half stepping isn't bad, no. It's not as good as quarter or eighth stepping
[23:48:05] <K`zan> I have no idea how to implement that, I am sure I can if I know what it is :-).
[23:48:17] <icee> You can't without being able to turn on phases partway
[23:48:35] <anonimasu> partway?
[23:48:48] <anonimasu> hm, 4 pwm outputs+
[23:48:48] <anonimasu> ?
[23:48:49] <icee> well, have differing amounts of current to the two phases
[23:48:54] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[23:48:56] <icee> PWM with current feedback is ideal
[23:49:07] <icee> turn on phase, turn off when current equals your desired level for the phase
[23:49:18] <Jymmm> les_w: Eh, I eat too many starches anyway =)
[23:49:19] <anonimasu> fpga + avr
[23:49:34] <icee> oh, you can easily do it with a CPLD or an AVR
[23:49:37] <les_w> jymmm: haha
[23:49:39] <anonimasu> yep..
[23:49:41] <icee> the hard thing is the DAC to generate the 'reference voltages'
[23:49:44] <K`zan> Ah, ok - so I should be happy just half steppiong it then :-).
[23:49:54] <icee> k'z: yah. ;)
[23:49:57] <anonimasu> ^_^
[23:50:11] <K`zan> For this one good enough, but .05 seems like a HUGE step size.
[23:50:27] <anonimasu> 0.05 mm?
[23:50:30] <anonimasu> that's huge..
[23:50:48] <K`zan> 1/4-20 with 200 steps per rev.
[23:50:50] <les_w> I do see a big problem after doing a big contoured sign. I am not going to be able to take advantage of the new spindle unless moves are lond arcs and lines
[23:51:01] <les_w> long
[23:51:03] <icee> well, 400 half steps per rev
[23:51:16] <icee> .050/400
[23:51:16] <icee> .0001250000
[23:51:23] <icee> puts your step size at about a tenth
[23:51:31] <K`zan> that looks much nicer :)
[23:51:55] <icee> not that you will really get that much resolution.
[23:52:00] <icee> but smoothness is important
[23:52:10] <anonimasu> les_w: we should have a look at it after the next week..
[23:53:12] <icee> kz: so does changing the ini to have a scale of 8000 do what you want?
[23:53:15] <les_w> yeah. I am trying to throw productivity at the shop operations a lot. Spending a lot of money. EMC is a big bottleneck.
[23:53:59] <anonimasu> well I am interested because once I get the spindle fixed I'll be doing lots of 3d contouring
[23:54:26] <anonimasu> but I wonder how fast I'll be able to run anyway
[23:55:16] <les_w> It would be nice if we could fix it. At this point I can afford any control I need. In fact it costs me a lot of money to have a buggered control.
[23:56:06] <anonimasu> yep
[23:56:20] <fenn> les_w: you should hire a coder :)
[23:57:25] <les_w> heh...code: $100/line debugged. Galil optima + software: $5000
[23:58:10] <Jymmm> les_w hire fred =)
[23:58:21] <les_w> hmm
[23:58:29] <les_w> haha
[23:58:36] <anonimasu> that seems like a cheap control..
[23:58:51] <les_w> yeah.
[23:58:56] <K`zan> Not much good for PCB work, or at least anything using ICs. Sorry, interrupt here, back
[23:59:24] <K`zan> checking step code...
[23:59:57] <icee> kz: scale in the ini is the number of step pulses needed to go one UNIT