#emc | Logs for 2005-09-30

[00:20:36] <Jymmm> LawrenceG ok
[00:21:58] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG scratching head looking for nice simple alsa sound code examples... read, write and init
[00:22:09] <Jymmm> try windows
[00:22:38] <LawrenceG> there are several rude sayings that come to mind....
[00:23:00] <Jymmm> ok, enough firefighting for one day... send an email, take a shower, eat dinner, and relax
[00:23:24] <LawrenceG> a couple of shots of fireball in my future...
[00:31:09] <Jymmm> heh
[00:32:20] <les> hmmm...party sounds GOOD!
[00:32:38] <les> 'specially the loose women part
[00:33:07] <les> but no tub girls
[00:35:40] <les> well if you are all going to be so quiet....
[00:35:53] <les> I'm going back to the music room
[01:39:48] <Jacky^> Good Night
[01:47:53] <Jymmm> les see how you are... you throw a party then leave!
[07:02:48] <LawrenceG> hey Sean
[07:02:53] <Sean-R> hey
[07:04:10] <Jymmm> hops and barely
[07:04:42] <LawrenceG> barely legal?
[07:05:12] <Jymmm> 21+
[07:05:35] <LawrenceG> I gues I am 2.5 legal
[07:05:51] <Sean-R> lol
[07:06:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands LawrenceG a walker
[07:06:12] <Sean-R> Isn't this channel for cnc discussion?
[07:06:23] <Sean-R> j/k
[07:06:26] <LawrenceG> thanks... can I get a scooter that does 140
[07:06:49] <Sean-R> you can get ones that go 115 in mykonos :>
[07:06:53] <Jymmm> Sean-R: Yep, CNC beer!
[07:06:55] <Sean-R> its pretty scary
[07:07:16] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: would you like that in a V8 or V6 ?
[07:07:24] <LawrenceG> diesel
[07:07:51] <Sean-R> solar powered for me.... im cant afford gas or diesel
[07:16:57] <A-L-P-H-A> LP.
[07:17:15] <A-L-P-H-A> liquid propane
[07:18:50] <Jymmm> LN2 baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[07:18:58] <Jymmm> errr LOX
[07:20:11] <LawrenceG> LOX + rubber makes good rocket engine
[07:20:30] <LawrenceG> makes for a quick ride
[07:23:10] <icee> lox + anything flammable.
[07:23:26] <icee> lox + delrin, lox + rubber, lox + kerosene, lox+hydrogen, lox+human flesh, whatever
[07:24:04] <Jymmm> lox + magnesium + h2o
[07:24:19] <icee> that seems a little redundant.
[07:24:42] <Jymmm> ever had a magnesium fire?
[07:25:00] <icee> i've played with magnesium on fire
[07:25:13] <Jymmm> I block of magnesium on fire
[07:25:17] <Jymmm> a block of magnesium on fire
[07:26:47] <icee> Mg + H2O just does (iirc, don't have a periodic chartt handy) MgO2 + H2
[07:27:00] <icee> so why not just have lox + h2
[09:30:57] <Jacky^> G morning
[14:35:13] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home page www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT | General linux discussions and support the rest of the week. | Final release BDI-4.30 | Six people have ops capabilities - Lucky dip ! | wiki go bye-bye blame alex
[14:38:43] <ValarQ> "blame alex"?
[14:38:54] <Jymmm> yep
[14:39:10] <Jymmm> it's a joke son
[14:39:55] <ValarQ> ok, he isn't known to bring down wikis then?
[14:40:16] <Jymmm> no, just loose women
[14:40:37] <ValarQ> ok :)
[14:41:00] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home page www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT | General linux discussions and support the rest of the week. | Final release BDI-4.30 | Six people have ops capabilities - Lucky dip ! | wiki go bye-bye, Jymmm blames alex
[14:41:04] <Jymmm> better?
[14:41:25] <Jymmm> and les too
[14:41:31] <les> huh?
[14:41:32] <les> haha
[14:41:37] <ValarQ> :)
[14:47:47] <Jymmm> les just playing les
[14:48:46] <Jymmm> whats an 'indexable' endmill?
[15:17:46] <les> just an end mill with removable carbide inserts
[15:17:56] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[15:18:05] <Jymmm> probably something I don't want then
[15:18:40] <les> well, carbide tooling is great, but needs more power. Not always the best on small machines
[15:19:14] <les> A good sherp m42 end mill will often work better
[15:19:18] <Jymmm> I was shop looking on ebay for some tooling is all.
[15:19:32] <Jymmm> not a lot up there actually
[15:19:42] <les> but you need router tooling not mill...right?
[15:20:14] <Jymmm> I suppose
[15:21:02] <Jymmm> but where am I gonna find 1/8" that can plunge cut in a router bit?
[15:21:10] <Jymmm> or 3/8" plunge
[15:21:42] <les> well router collets usually only handle 1/4 or 1/2
[15:22:09] <Jymmm> Yeah, I found some 1/4" to 1/8" adapters
[15:22:10] <les> I use my shop made tool holders for small bits
[15:23:02] <les> so my .01 bit with 1/8 shank actually fits into a holder that uses the 1/2 collet
[15:23:14] <les> course all that is about to change
[15:23:30] <les> since I am getting a different spindle
[15:23:49] <Jymmm> ah
[15:23:50] <les> either iso 30 or ER 25
[15:25:30] <Jymmm> Oh, I meant to ask you les...
[15:25:43] <les> iso holders are expensive...$75-100 each
[15:25:54] <les> ?
[15:26:19] <Jymmm> is there a theoretical limit on how fast you can cut feed a endmill ?
[15:26:49] <les> wfor wood?
[15:26:58] <les> or in general
[15:27:03] <Jymmm> wood, plastic, in general
[15:27:19] <les> ok
[15:27:34] <les> well there are rpm limits on larger cutters
[15:27:54] <les> as far as feed and speed...iut's chip load that determines it
[15:28:03] <les> and power
[15:28:08] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[15:28:29] <les> commercial mdf cutting operations for example
[15:29:05] <Jymmm> I was thinking more along the lines of.... 1/4" ballmill, 1/2" into mdf, and how fast could I feed it maximum
[15:29:06] <les> the generally go 18-24000rpm, 800-1200 ipm , 12.5-24 hp
[15:29:43] <les> you are power limited
[15:29:53] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[15:30:04] <les> at high speed on the router you will be at around 100 ipm max
[15:30:18] <AchiestDragon> maybe a bit small but for small cutters this is usefull http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64812&item=7546125302
[15:30:27] <Jymmm> I was looking for some guideline to help prevent breaking bits
[15:30:40] <Jymmm> smaller bits that is
[15:30:42] <AchiestDragon> he normaly has a few on ebay but no current ones advertized
[15:30:49] <les> best guidline is not to go depper than the diameter
[15:31:52] <Jymmm> les ok, that's easy enough =)
[15:31:52] <les> deeper
[15:31:57] <_AchiestDragon> ?
[15:32:37] <Jymmm> _AchiestDragon ??
[15:32:45] <les> often industrial stuff does do cuts deeper than diameter...but for smaller mahines it's safer to do shallow cuts
[15:32:51] <_AchiestDragon> just timed out
[15:33:22] <les> for example your 1/4 bit in a 1/2 cut would prob pack chips in the groove
[15:34:33] <les> spiral upcut would clear the chips...but I don't recommend using then with a standard router
[15:34:57] <les> the work tends to suck up and the bit tends to loosen and pull down
[15:35:20] <les> it's REAL bad when that happens
[15:37:06] <_AchiestDragon> what like the piece you cutting ending up stuck on the bit , getting pulled from its fixings and spinning with the cutter at XX rpm
[15:37:50] <les> yeah that sort of thing
[15:38:19] <les> or the bit pulling down cutting the table, breaking, and getting slung out
[15:39:05] <les> router collets in general really hold poorly
[15:39:51] <les> I have had bits pull down and hit a steel bolt recessed in a spoilboard at 200 ipm or so
[15:39:58] <les> nasty!
[15:42:23] <les> the tips of a 2.5 cm bit are going around 30 meters per second
[15:42:52] <les> exciting when it shatters
[15:43:08] <_AchiestDragon> finding it hard getting a milling cutter with a 1/4" shank , even a 1/4" cutter
[15:43:16] <les> hmm
[15:43:21] <les> I have plenty
[15:43:30] <les> 2 and 4 flute
[15:43:48] <Jymmm> What type of tooling should I use to actually CUT apart pieces like in wood or plastic?
[15:44:09] <les> when plowing a groove odd flute number is better
[15:44:31] <les> even number has on side climb milling, the other conventional
[15:44:37] <les> it's unstable
[15:44:54] <les> so a single or 3 flute is better
[15:45:23] <les> only one side engages the work at a time
[15:46:43] <Jymmm> http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Flute-1-8-Dia-Ball-End-USA-Carbide-End-Mill_W0QQitemZ7550002070QQcategoryZ25260QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[15:46:48] <les> for cutout of say 3/4" stock a 3/8 or 1/2 cutter is best
[15:47:22] <Jymmm> 700+ 100% positive feedback - seems like a good seller
[15:47:42] <_AchiestDragon> _AchiestDragon is now known as AchiestDragon
[15:47:53] <les> price looks fine...but that bit is not for wood
[15:48:00] <les> ok on some plastics
[15:48:21] <Jymmm> why not wood?
[15:48:45] <les> wood needs more front rake and clearance
[15:49:43] <les> also...it's upcut....dangerous in a standard router collet
[15:50:32] <les> will it cut wood? yeah, but not real well
[15:50:54] <les> it will tend to burn
[15:51:11] <Jymmm> ah,ok.
[15:51:34] <Jymmm> I have a 3 flute 1/4" ballnose just like that
[15:52:21] <les> one trick with ballnoses is to tilt the router so you are not cutting with the dead center
[15:52:26] <les> if you can
[15:52:40] <Jymmm> can't
[15:52:46] <les> figured
[15:53:36] <les> are you getting some better cutting speed now?
[15:53:43] <les> without slipping steps?
[15:54:02] <Jymmm> You mena the skipping steps I was having earlier?
[15:54:07] <les> yeah
[15:54:27] <Jymmm> lol
[15:54:58] <Jymmm> * Jymmm notes... When setting up blank, do NOT set near machine max travel =)
[15:55:13] <les> ha
[15:55:25] <Jymmm> aka... operator error (no limit switched)
[15:55:31] <les> you need to be going at least 60 ipm for wood
[15:55:59] <Jymmm> I've been doing 40IPM, then did 100IPM with that ballnose
[15:56:09] <les> oh for mine I have a three stage end limit:
[15:56:21] <les> first soft limit
[15:56:43] <les> the 1/2" later hard limit with servo braking
[15:57:08] <les> then1/2 behind that a hydraulic shock absorber
[15:57:21] <Jymmm> lol
[15:57:47] <les> you need that with servos
[15:58:15] <les> when something goes wrong with a stepper drive it usually just stops
[15:58:33] <les> when something goes wrong with a servo it usually runs away
[15:59:12] <Jymmm> I was thinking about microswitches, but they're not sealed (dust), then maybe optical, but again dust, so just waiting till I find something small and reliable
[15:59:23] <les> the shocks are tunable
[16:00:30] <les> so I set them such that Force times stroke on the shock = 1/2 mv^2 at max rrunaway speed
[16:01:30] <les> they are constant force shocks so the integral is just a multiplication
[16:02:41] <les> http://www.acecontrols.com/newproducts.htm
[16:04:48] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[16:05:19] <steve_stallings> hey Jymm, saw you mention the wiki, do you have any idea what happened?
[16:05:51] <Jymmm> steve_stallings: Yes... one big soap opera full of drama.
[16:07:08] <steve_stallings> care to tell me more, private if you like
[16:07:33] <cradek> I'm curious too
[16:07:52] <steve_stallings> I would like to get it restored (I am webmaster for linuxcnc.org)
[16:08:23] <Jymmm> steve_stallings: Um, not really but if you must know... robin was banned from #emc, robin was hosting the wiki. nuf said.
[16:08:50] <cradek> does anyone know why he was banned?
[16:11:22] <cradek> there are still some useful things at http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl
[16:11:27] <Jymmm> steve_stallings: cane you update dns for it as well?
[16:12:06] <steve_stallings> yes, I run the DNS server
[16:12:30] <steve_stallings> cradek, that is the old wiki, severely out of date
[16:12:54] <Jymmm> steve_stallings I mirrored what I could yesterday, and paul sent me a copy of the mirrir what looks bigger than what I have, but no search/entry available, just html
[16:13:43] <Jymmm> steve_stallings 1139 pages from 2005-09-19
[16:13:52] <steve_stallings> Matt also pulled what he could from Google last night. Is that where you and Paul got it?
[16:14:24] <cradek> has anyone asked him for it? maybe he just doesn't want to host it now.
[16:14:24] <Jymmm> steve_stallings: I mirrored what cradek posted, dont know where paul got his from
[16:14:29] <les> I think many were tired of Robin's critical opinion of emc in general
[16:14:43] <les> Personally I did not have a problem with that
[16:16:30] <cradek> well, I think software can't improve if everyone is scared to point out the ways it sucks.
[16:16:41] <steve_stallings> Jymmm, where and what kind of mirror, does it run as a wiki?
[16:17:23] <les> I guess. I have been pretty critical at times too, but always try to keep a constructive attitude
[16:18:40] <cradek> well crap. I think he was a smart guy.
[16:19:02] <cradek> it would be nice if he would send one of us the wiki info, but I can see why he wouldn't want to.
[16:19:22] <les> He is smart. He tends to be a bit blunt. He is also usually right.
[16:20:03] <Jymmm> steve_stallings just html, not a wiki. it's all we got. you want it?
[16:20:58] <cradek> les: I guess I like blunt. Often, wishy-washy consensus-building crap gets on my nerves.
[16:21:21] <les> me too
[16:21:54] <cradek> so who banned him? paul?
[16:23:01] <les> paul was unhappy with him
[16:23:18] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home page www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT | General linux discussions and support the rest of the week. | Final release BDI-4.30 | Six people have ops capabilities - Lucky dip !
[16:24:11] <steve_stallings> Jymmm, yes, yours and Paul's if possible to stevesng (at) newsguy.com
[16:28:40] <Jymmm> steve_stallings done
[16:40:18] <steve_stallings> got it, thanks
[16:40:44] <Jymmm> steve_stallings: Good, $37.50 pay at the door! =)
[16:41:39] <steve_stallings> gladly, but I looked and you were not at my door 8-)
[16:42:19] <Jymmm> steve_stallings : You see that 7'2" 350 guy gut that looks like a gorilla comign towards you?
[16:42:31] <Jymmm> pay him
[16:42:49] <steve_stallings> yea, big targets are easy to hit, where's my varmit gun....
[16:47:10] <Jymmm> steve_stallings : Just don't miss
[16:54:04] <Jymmm> well... my 'pseudo pendant' using an ext PS/2 numpad works nicely =)
[17:08:51] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[17:11:35] <les> oowwww...was just trying to use an 8 degree tapered carbide burr as a reamer...popped it
[17:18:40] <AchiestDragon> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4296606.stm
[17:23:08] <les> I may not be a tool user here...
[17:23:25] <les> looking at tapered 3 flute end milss
[17:23:29] <les> mills
[17:23:45] <les> yikes 40 buck each
[17:23:54] <les> well, just have to bite the bullet
[17:24:33] <les> I'll just use HSS....lees likely to pop it
[17:38:13] <Jymmm> les if you were putting a radius all the way around a sign, would you use a round over bit or a ballend?
[17:50:44] <alex_joni> greetings
[17:51:19] <cradek> hello
[17:51:38] <alex_joni> hey chris
[17:51:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is on a train :)
[17:52:01] <alex_joni> going home finally
[17:52:46] <jepler> wish I could IRC from the train .. but that would require trains
[17:52:59] <alex_joni> lol
[17:53:04] <alex_joni> how about your car?
[17:53:30] <jepler> probably IRC is worse than talking on a cell phone while driving
[17:53:30] <cradek> but the drive only takes a couple minutes
[17:54:08] <alex_joni> well.. my ride takes about 7 hours
[17:54:19] <alex_joni> so it's ok to have a distraction
[17:54:20] <cradek> oh, this must not be your daily commute
[17:55:07] <alex_joni> nope
[17:55:13] <alex_joni> was at a customer
[17:55:20] <alex_joni> probably I'll go there again next week
[17:55:43] <alex_joni> installed a big welding robot
[17:56:15] <cradek> cool
[17:56:28] <alex_joni> yeah..
[17:56:37] <alex_joni> so.. what's new? beside 4.30 :D
[17:56:59] <cradek> the wiki is lost because paul banned robin_sz
[17:57:11] <alex_joni> seen that last night :(
[17:58:56] <alex_joni> I wonder if the License permits robin to do that
[17:59:08] <Jymmm> wikis are icky!
[17:59:11] <cradek> license?
[17:59:15] <alex_joni> the wiki was released under the Creative Common Licence
[18:00:28] <alex_joni> hi paul_c
[18:00:39] <paul_c> Hi Alex.
[18:00:52] <alex_joni> wot's new?
[18:00:54] <cradek> alex_joni: before worrying about that too much, I think we/someone should just ask him for it.
[18:01:00] <alex_joni> right
[18:01:08] <alex_joni> * alex_joni already planned to do that
[18:01:38] <cradek> alex_joni: I can see why he would not want to host it anymore if he's being excluded. That doesn't necessarily mean he wants to hurt the project.
[18:02:01] <alex_joni> right
[18:03:15] <cradek> well let me know how it goes.
[18:03:33] <alex_joni> ok, will do (probably I'll post to the dev list, or the user list)
[18:09:20] <Jymmm> alex_joni post what?
[18:12:32] <alex_joni> the response I get from robin (about the wiki).. if
[18:12:56] <Jymmm> ah
[18:21:42] <Jymmm> * Jymmm actives super duper irc stealth mode and looks at all the private messaging going in!!!
[18:22:02] <alex_joni> Jymmm: ?
[18:23:44] <Jymmm> busted!
[18:24:02] <alex_joni> wtf are you talking about?
[18:24:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks Jymmm lost it
[18:29:25] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[18:31:56] <rayh> Hi alex.
[18:32:08] <alex_joni> what's new over there?
[18:32:24] <rayh> Got any clues what happened to the wiki.linuxcnc.org
[18:33:10] <rayh> seems to have lost it's link somewhere in the dark places of the web.
[18:33:51] <rayh> what's new is I'm running with 2.6.12-magma and is it hot!
[18:35:01] <alex_joni_> dang..
[18:35:05] <alex_joni_> bad connection
[18:36:56] <rayh> I posted a note to RobinZ but have not gotten an answer.
[18:38:24] <alex_joni__> running out of nicks soon
[18:41:21] <alex_joni__> is this still on?
[18:41:27] <AchiestDragon> yes
[18:41:32] <alex_joni__> oh.. ok ;)
[18:43:09] <AchiestDragon> well it explains why i havent seen robin_sz around in the last few days , any one know why he was banned
[18:43:37] <paul_c> He got a 24Hr ban for excessive trolling.
[18:44:17] <AchiestDragon> k
[18:44:27] <alex_joni__> alex_joni__ is now known as alex_joni_
[18:53:25] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[18:56:19] <alex_joni> * alex_joni got a mail back from robin
[18:57:48] <mrallen> hot isos. steaming hot isos. get 'em while they're hot. http://mirrors.neuron.com/emc-bdi/
[18:58:25] <alex_joni> heh
[18:59:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he could mirror it from a train
[19:01:09] <alex_joni> seems to be working ;)
[19:02:16] <mrallen> what i like most about theses isos ... the md5sums match up
[19:04:12] <alex_joni> really? that's a first :D
[19:07:01] <alex_joni> mrallen: what bandwidth do you have available on your mirror?
[19:08:36] <LawrenceG> mirror seems good... getting about 300kb/sec avg here.. with many bursts over 500kb/s
[19:08:52] <LawrenceG> downloading 4.30 iso
[19:09:13] <alex_joni> I get the same from cnczone
[19:09:42] <LawrenceG> that is pretty much max on my cable setup
[19:10:22] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG hides as every one starts a download
[19:12:17] <alex_joni> hmmm.. neuron seems a bit quicker (about 400kB avg here)
[19:12:22] <alex_joni> actually not here ;)
[19:14:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has an idea
[19:14:49] <alex_joni> let's all play http://idlerpg.numist.net/
[19:17:02] <paul_c> * paul_c has to go... maybe back later.
[19:17:10] <alex_joni> later
[19:17:22] <mrallen> alex_joni: it's a hosted server -- supposed to be 100mbit backbone
[19:17:47] <alex_joni> yeah.. so is mine ;) (university server, should have the same)
[19:18:01] <alex_joni> but hey.. a lot of distance between the two
[19:18:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni would figure about 20000 km
[19:20:32] <LawrenceG> its been a while since I have seen those speeds here.... all the kids must be back in school
[19:21:13] <LawrenceG> 327/625mg 12 min to go
[19:21:34] <alex_joni> 400/625 10 min to go ,)
[19:21:39] <Jymmm> mg?
[19:21:45] <alex_joni> MB
[19:21:52] <alex_joni> megs
[19:21:54] <Jymmm> LawrenceG taking those cheap drugs again huh?
[19:21:55] <LawrenceG> mb... coffee hasnt kicked in yet
[19:22:05] <alex_joni> Jymmm: thought you people have a thing for abbs.
[19:22:18] <alex_joni> Jymmm: but we covered this before
[19:22:30] <alex_joni> iirc
[19:22:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni yeah, but you have to use the correct abbr.
[19:22:45] <alex_joni> nah.. I don't
[19:22:53] <alex_joni> I don't like them.. so I can use whatever
[19:22:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni but your fucked up, so you dont count.
[19:23:27] <alex_joni> alex_joni has kicked Jymmm from #emc
[19:23:32] <alex_joni> :P
[19:24:41] <LawrenceG> 400/625 9.44 to go
[19:25:24] <LawrenceG> i remember when I used to do this on dialup....
[19:25:51] <LawrenceG> 2 to 3 days to get a redhat iso
[19:33:28] <alex_joni__> alex_joni__ is now known as alex_joni_
[19:37:20] <rayh> ajoni: What's happening train going through a tunnel?
[19:37:21] <ajoni> darn network :)
[19:37:31] <ajoni> smthg like that :))
[19:41:19] <ajoni> ok.. train is almost there
[19:41:25] <ajoni> and I am running low on battery
[19:41:30] <ajoni> catch you guys lateron
[19:41:36] <cradek> see you later
[19:41:45] <ajoni> cradek: got my mail?
[19:41:52] <cradek> yes, replied
[19:41:58] <ajoni> oh.. didn't notice
[19:42:02] <cradek> that's happy news
[19:42:21] <ajoni> right
[19:42:40] <ajoni> I think I can set it up (the wiki I mean), need to see what's needed
[19:42:52] <ajoni> dns-wise
[19:43:03] <cradek> ok
[19:43:14] <cradek> I can probably do it if you can't
[19:43:47] <rayh> I'm lost on this wiki discussion and what happened to robinz. Could someone explain it to me in the language an old man can understand?
[19:43:50] <ajoni> ok.. will let you know
[19:44:04] <ajoni> rayh: seems robin & paul got into their last fight ;)
[19:44:22] <ajoni> and paul kicked/banned robin for some debateable reason
[19:44:30] <ajoni> so robin decided to leave #emc
[19:44:42] <ajoni> and the project overall
[19:44:47] <ajoni> and he took the wiki down
[19:44:55] <ajoni> because it was hosted at his server
[19:45:22] <ajoni> however (after I mailed him about it) he said it's no problem (issue) to send me the content of the wiki to put it up somewhere lese
[19:45:25] <ajoni> else
[19:45:35] <rayh> ah. Okay.
[19:45:44] <ajoni> that's the brief story
[19:46:01] <ajoni> ok.. gotta go, running on battery fumes
[19:46:03] <ajoni> :)
[19:46:05] <rayh> When we find a server, we should send the URL to SteveStallings so he can update the links.
[19:46:18] <ajoni> right
[19:46:32] <rayh> Thanks
[19:46:45] <ajoni> he only needs to change an entry in his DNS to point to the new one
[19:47:06] <ajoni> rayh: no need to thank me for
[19:47:11] <ajoni> * ajoni didn't do anything
[20:56:18] <les> hi alex
[20:56:21] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[20:56:23] <alex_joni> hey les
[20:56:28] <les> is there a link to your log?
[20:56:44] <alex_joni> logger_aj, bookmark
[20:56:44] <alex_joni> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-09-30#T20-56-44
[20:56:54] <les> thanks
[20:57:05] <alex_joni> np
[21:01:37] <alex_joni> how's things there?
[21:13:46] <les> oh ok. just machining more ultrasonic resonators
[21:13:59] <alex_joni> the piezo thingies?
[21:14:04] <les> yes
[21:14:14] <alex_joni> nice
[21:14:39] <les> It's some fairly precise lathe work
[21:14:47] <les> a few microns matter
[21:14:54] <les> things are lapped
[21:15:24] <alex_joni> ouch ;)
[21:16:27] <les> Well, the adjustable resonator is about a 2 mm rod extending through a 1cm deep hole...and it must be leak free just from the fit
[21:16:36] <les> a light press fit
[21:16:46] <Jack_emc2> Jack_emc2 is now known as jack^^
[21:16:59] <jack^^> evening :)
[21:18:24] <alex_joni> les: you need to know what you're talking about
[21:18:32] <alex_joni> * alex_joni doesn't get it at this late hour ;)
[21:18:35] <alex_joni> jack^^: hello
[21:18:47] <jack^^> hi alex_joni
[21:19:01] <les> the resonator is an adjustable air column
[21:19:16] <les> 1/4 wavelength long
[21:19:44] <les> but at 50-100 kHz a wavelength is tiny
[21:20:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni remembers building antennas for 2.4 GHz
[21:20:15] <les> heh
[21:20:26] <alex_joni> I did build a few omni's
[21:20:32] <alex_joni> turned out just right
[21:20:50] <les> same math really...but this is highly non linear
[21:21:12] <les> it's shock waves propagating in a mach 1.5 flow
[21:21:32] <les> behaves more like ocean waves really
[21:21:57] <les> anyway teeny tiny machined parts
[21:22:12] <alex_joni> I see
[21:22:20] <les> stuff like turning a 1mm rod on the lathe
[21:22:26] <les> need sharp tools!
[21:26:00] <les> I was just looking at your logs to see what in the world robindid to get banned
[21:26:10] <les> didn't see anything
[21:26:16] <alex_joni> don't think it's there
[21:26:20] <alex_joni> my logger is stupid
[21:26:24] <les> ?
[21:26:27] <alex_joni> that's why I have it in cron
[21:26:33] <alex_joni> dies once in a while
[21:26:37] <les> oh
[21:39:32] <alex_joni> Jymmm: you there?
[21:39:48] <alex_joni> don't know why, but this reminds me of you ;)
[21:39:54] <alex_joni> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?pos=-5540
[21:44:05] <alex_joni> man that's crazy
[21:45:26] <jack^^>
[21:45:27] <jack^^>
[21:45:27] <jack^^> :)
[21:45:32] <jack^^> ops
[21:45:39] <jack^^> damn keyboard..
[21:45:42] <alex_joni> a bit too much space ;)
[21:45:42] <jack^^> :D
[21:46:11] <jack^^> i cant digit during soldering :\
[21:46:23] <jack^^> too much things togheter :)
[21:47:07] <jack^^> paused
[21:47:09] <jack^^> :)
[21:47:53] <jack^^> i'm buiding another optoisolator circuit ..
[21:48:18] <jack^^> i changed the 2n22222 with mpsa14
[21:48:36] <jack^^> seem the same.. looking at the datasheet.. will see
[21:48:39] <jack^^> :D
[21:48:50] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders when jacky will learn
[21:49:03] <jack^^> alex_joni: what ?
[21:49:16] <jack^^> i'm learning ..
[21:49:39] <jack^^> i get a cannibalized epson printer board working for 2 axis
[21:50:08] <alex_joni> when will you get a proper driver ;)
[21:50:15] <jack^^> the 3°, i take an lc from another old board and get the third axis :)
[21:50:36] <jack^^> next, i will try to drive an HP using dc motors with encoders...
[21:50:38] <jack^^> :\
[21:50:40] <jack^^> :D
[21:50:52] <jack^^> oh ..
[21:51:08] <jack^^> probably.. it will be gecko servodrive
[21:51:17] <jack^^> but not yet ..
[21:51:23] <jack^^> i need to learn more
[21:51:40] <jack^^> and when i will start..
[21:51:48] <jack^^> i will build 2-3 machine
[21:51:52] <jack^^> not one :P
[21:52:16] <jack^^> i need to do a lot of testing yet
[21:52:25] <jack^^> some mounth ..
[21:53:07] <jack^^> i want axcatly know what emc can do before start
[21:53:12] <jack^^> exactly*
[21:53:34] <jack^^> what can do the software, what the HW, what the motors.. etc
[21:54:52] <jack^^> yesterday my cousin gave me a big servomotor
[21:55:31] <jack^^> a leadscrew 1 mt he bought some year ago.. E. 150 from canada..
[21:55:35] <jack^^> SKF
[21:55:42] <jack^^> i need to do some test
[21:56:45] <jack^^> next, we'll start building a plasma cutter and 2 router cnc machine ..
[21:57:16] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_away
[22:29:48] <alex_joni_away> alex_joni_away is now known as alex_joni
[22:36:40] <Jymmm> alex_joni: That's pretty funny, but I dont know why it remind you of me.
[22:36:58] <alex_joni> seems like smthg you would do :D
[22:37:17] <Jymmm> alex_joni because of how blunt I am?
[22:37:21] <alex_joni> am I wrong?
[22:37:28] <alex_joni> Jymmm: only sometimes
[22:37:29] <alex_joni> ;)
[22:37:51] <alex_joni> you know I'm only pulling your leg
[22:37:52] <Jymmm> alex_joni I just call em as I see em.... no bullshitting
[22:38:09] <alex_joni> anyways. thought it's funny ;)
[22:38:19] <Jymmm> No, I am VERY straight forward about things.
[22:39:06] <Jymmm> ppl can't handle the cold hard truth.
[22:39:16] <alex_joni> most at least
[22:39:24] <Jymmm> 99.9%
[22:39:29] <alex_joni> right
[22:40:17] <alex_joni> that means about 60000000 people can handle it
[22:41:15] <cradek> even fewer can handle cold hard math (6 000 000)
[22:41:45] <cradek> * cradek sure hopes he got that right
[22:41:46] <cradek> ha
[22:42:45] <cradek> have a good weekend everyone
[22:43:00] <Jymmm> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=75
[22:43:08] <Jymmm> hasta cradek
[22:44:34] <alex_joni> cradek: heh..
[22:44:39] <alex_joni> have a nice weekend
[22:46:30] <alex_joni> btw, tired as I am now, I did use a calculator to come up with that shitty result :D
[22:46:34] <alex_joni> Jymmm: nice
[22:47:55] <alex_joni> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=77
[23:52:24] <jack^^> G night all
[23:52:59] <alex_joni> night
[23:53:16] <jack^^> * jack^^ changed idea ..
[23:53:19] <jack^^> :D
[23:53:21] <jack^^> hehe
[23:53:30] <jack^^> good evening
[23:53:32] <jack^^> :)
[23:53:50] <jack^^> alex_joni: what youre doing ?
[23:54:01] <alex_joni> going to sleep
[23:54:05] <alex_joni> didn't decide yet ;D
[23:54:09] <jack^^> i'm building this damn stripboard :\
[23:54:13] <jack^^> hehe
[23:54:15] <jack^^> :D
[23:54:55] <jack^^> too much thinking.. its not good ..
[23:55:05] <jack^^> more action :P
[23:55:07] <jack^^> ah ..
[23:55:10] <jack^^> listen
[23:55:22] <jack^^> anna_emc seen some photos
[23:55:37] <alex_joni> what fotos?
[23:55:41] <jack^^> what the brand of your machine ?
[23:55:47] <jack^^> on the web
[23:56:00] <alex_joni> my machine?
[23:56:11] <jack^^> camera
[23:56:30] <alex_joni> not sure I follow
[23:56:53] <jack^^> how you get the photos ?
[23:57:02] <jack^^> what you used
[23:57:07] <alex_joni> what fotos?
[23:57:10] <alex_joni> give me an url
[23:57:17] <jack^^> damn ..
[23:57:22] <jack^^> i'm in lab
[23:57:35] <jack^^> you have an album online
[23:57:43] <jack^^> the pictures are very nice
[23:57:51] <alex_joni> right
[23:57:56] <jack^^> she's interested in your camera
[23:58:01] <jack^^> brand and model
[23:58:06] <jack^^> understand ?
[23:58:07] <jack^^> :D
[23:58:13] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[23:58:16] <jack^^> hehe
[23:58:17] <alex_joni> HP photosmart 850
[23:58:26] <jack^^> thank you
[23:58:28] <jack^^> :)
[23:58:47] <jack^^> HP .. sound nice
[23:59:04] <jack^^> she have a tradictional camera
[23:59:16] <jack^^> very good, but broken
[23:59:26] <jack^^> she's looking for a digital camera
[23:59:38] <jack^^> she have seen the photos in rome
[23:59:43] <jack^^> are very nice
[23:59:56] <alex_joni> ty