#emc | Logs for 2005-09-24

[00:33:50] <robin_sz> les!
[00:34:18] <AchiestDragon> robin_sz: hi
[00:34:24] <robin_sz> dude!
[00:34:38] <robin_sz> trust you are well?
[00:35:07] <AchiestDragon> no been in bed all day with flu , just come down for a coffee
[00:35:23] <robin_sz> ick
[00:35:49] <AchiestDragon> mamaged to get a mig last sunday
[00:35:55] <AchiestDragon> managed
[00:35:56] <robin_sz> excellent
[00:36:07] <robin_sz> does it work?
[00:37:02] <AchiestDragon> yes ,, a cebora pocket mig 130A with 2 bottles ( one 15kg ) & guages for £65
[00:37:14] <robin_sz> not bad
[00:37:20] <robin_sz> ok up to 0.8 wire then
[00:37:42] <robin_sz> probably better with 0.6mm
[00:37:47] <AchiestDragon> yes , for what i want its fine
[00:37:51] <robin_sz> yep
[00:39:00] <AchiestDragon> so when i got this cnc working , going to re do the frame and weld it together properly
[00:39:08] <robin_sz> right
[00:39:47] <AchiestDragon> was wanting to know if theres a steel stock holder that would deliver here
[00:39:50] <robin_sz> ive been in Geneva all week, so nothing much hapeneed here
[00:40:42] <AchiestDragon> found a place that will http://www.arenastock.co.uk/ but think a locla place may do cheaper dilivery
[00:42:36] <robin_sz> yeah, just drive to your local steel stockholder, and have aprintout on the shop4steel.co.uk pricelist ...
[00:42:50] <robin_sz> expect to pay 20% more than that, but dont let them take the piss
[00:43:55] <robin_sz> remember this .. all steel stockholders are bastards. they NEVER reveal their prices and charge everyone different, a friend of mine paid 10x the price I pay for a piece of 25mm box section
[00:43:59] <AchiestDragon> spen valley steel stock used to deliver to my old address free , but thay where a mile away from there , would have to order a ton or more for them delivery here
[00:45:03] <AchiestDragon> was paying £6 for 6M of 25mm box 1.5mm thick
[00:45:12] <robin_sz> about right ...
[00:45:17] <robin_sz> he got fleeced for 50
[00:45:41] <robin_sz> I pay around 435/tonne for plate
[00:46:56] <robin_sz> thats 32 quid for a 2.5 x 1.25m sheet of 3mm plate
[00:47:12] <robin_sz> you can make a lot of router parts for 32 quid :)
[00:51:00] <AchiestDragon> well not calculated the cutting list but think i will be ordering about 12m of 20*20*3mm angle , and 6m of 60*30*2mm rectangle box , and maybe a couple of lenths of 20*20*2mm box and some other sizes for other projects
[00:51:59] <AchiestDragon> maybe 8 or 9 6m lenths in all
[00:52:12] <robin_sz> box section os good stuff .. lots more rigif than angle of same weight
[00:53:17] <AchiestDragon> i use angle if someting bolts to it , then it dose not squash it when tightening the bolts up
[00:55:19] <robin_sz> ugh ...
[00:55:30] <robin_sz> * robin_sz gets snet a picture of himself ...
[00:55:44] <robin_sz> wow ... do I look rough!
[00:59:33] <AchiestDragon> anyway finished coffee , going back to bed ,laters
[01:00:27] <robin_sz> 'k
[02:17:05] <Jacky^> night
[04:42:51] <mrallen> any known bugs in emc or axis that would cause it to lose track of one of it's axis?
[04:43:23] <mrallen> for the second time while running axis, it's reset one of it's coordinates during a run and crashed the end mill
[04:43:55] <mrallen> the first time, it lost it's Z and just now it lost it's X
[04:51:25] <mrallen> no errors were reported to the console
[06:07:14] <A-L-P-H-A> ohlo
[07:58:47] <anonimasu> mrallen: could you file a bug report about it?
[10:50:53] <Jacky^> GDay
[10:51:03] <ValarQ> hi
[10:51:16] <Jacky^> hey ValarQ :)
[10:52:04] <ValarQ> burned anything today? ;)
[10:52:45] <Jacky^> nothing .. just waiting for a electronic driver kit i ordered yesterday ..
[10:53:02] <ValarQ> ok
[10:53:12] <Jacky^> i've the Z axis without driver ..
[10:57:37] <Jacky^> i'm cannibalinzing some broken printer
[10:58:03] <Jacky^> found a website with a lot of interestinf demoboard..
[10:58:07] <Jacky^> http://www.jofi.it/fiser/
[10:58:44] <Jacky^> i want to try to learn something about microcontroller chips
[11:36:53] <robin_sz> heres a useful piece of advice ...
[11:37:14] <robin_sz> if you visit a technical site and it has a small, animated gif of a mouse on it ...
[11:37:17] <robin_sz> run away.
[11:38:09] <Jacky^> hehe
[11:38:13] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[11:38:39] <robin_sz> just downloading the latest version of Eclipse
[11:38:52] <Jacky^> what is ?
[11:39:02] <robin_sz> see if the C IDE is any better than it was
[14:40:18] <anonimasu> hello
[14:48:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[14:54:30] <anonimasu> hm, maybe I should dig out the atmel dev board
[15:38:13] <anonimasu> hm
[15:38:23] <anonimasu> now if I just had a rotary axis..
[15:39:47] <robin_sz> mmm ... lathe!
[15:39:53] <anonimasu> heh
[15:40:02] <anonimasu> I tried drawing a gear in solidworks ;)
[15:40:08] <robin_sz> uh huh ...
[15:40:20] <robin_sz> I did that once
[15:40:31] <anonimasu> helical one ;)
[15:40:41] <robin_sz> found a nice little program that produced a DXF of a toothform
[15:40:52] <robin_sz> importred that into sw and rotated it a few times
[15:41:02] <anonimasu> hehe
[15:41:06] <robin_sz> the toothforms are the hardest bit to get right ...
[15:41:21] <anonimasu> I just drew one for fun..
[15:41:25] <robin_sz> oh ;)
[15:41:33] <anonimasu> I am thinking of machining it out of some foam just to se.e.
[15:41:34] <anonimasu> see
[15:41:59] <robin_sz> try acrylic
[15:42:01] <anonimasu> not the whole gear..
[15:42:08] <anonimasu> it's /
[15:42:14] <anonimasu> so I cant machine it without a rotary axis :)
[15:42:48] <robin_sz> wire edm!
[15:42:55] <anonimasu> hehe
[15:43:55] <anonimasu> www.bojn.net/~an0n/gear.jpg
[15:44:35] <anonimasu> you could machine it with a undercut cutter..
[15:44:40] <anonimasu> but a rotary axis would be easy ;)
[15:47:18] <robin_sz> yeah, toary axis and a fly cutter I guess
[15:47:39] <anonimasu> hm, I thought about a V cutter..
[15:47:48] <anonimasu> or a ballnose..
[15:48:29] <anonimasu> well easy stuff..
[15:51:45] <anonimasu> I am adding a few 1000nm with cosmosexpress to 3 teeth
[15:51:48] <anonimasu> tooth..
[15:53:53] <anonimasu> very cool..
[15:54:11] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I need a edm ;)
[16:25:40] <Jacky^> anonimasu: you there ?
[16:40:05] <anonimasu> Jacky^: yes
[16:43:10] <Jacky^> anonimasu: I know youre using emc2
[16:43:34] <Jacky^> i would try to get source code and compile it ..
[16:43:40] <Jacky^> its hard ?
[16:44:10] <anonimasu> no
[16:44:16] <anonimasu> it's way easier then compiling emc1
[16:44:21] <anonimasu> although I am not using emc2 right now
[16:44:26] <anonimasu> because there's no driver for the USC
[16:44:44] <Jacky^> undestood ..
[16:44:56] <Jacky^> i'm going to try ..
[16:46:51] <anonimasu> ok
[17:03:47] <anonimasu> hm..
[17:04:33] <Jacky^> ah ?
[17:05:06] <Jacky^> 75 mb of updates on testing ..
[17:05:12] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ upgrading ..
[17:05:41] <jacky^^> * jacky^^ too
[17:05:52] <Jacky^> O_O
[17:06:06] <anonimasu> I am soon making chips
[17:06:34] <Jacky^> chips ? microchip ?
[17:10:40] <anonimasu> nope
[17:10:44] <anonimasu> chips as in alu chips
[17:10:45] <anonimasu> brb
[17:10:49] <jacky^^> chips gnam ?
[17:10:52] <jacky^^> wow
[17:10:54] <jacky^^> :D
[17:11:02] <jacky^^> bon appetit
[17:11:55] <jacky^^> * jacky^^ is making hamburgher ..
[17:13:44] <Jymmm> Jacky^: Have some of anonimasu's chips with your hamburger!
[17:14:00] <jacky^^> :P
[17:23:30] <anonimasu> hehe
[17:23:42] <anonimasu> I am, trying to get the cycletime down to 20 minutes
[17:26:22] <anonimasu> or well,
[17:26:36] <anonimasu> if the cycletime is over 70 minutes I might aswell do my trials in real alu instead of foam
[17:26:39] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:32:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu machinable wax - at least then it's reusable
[17:32:59] <anonimasu> Jymmm: ship me wax
[17:33:08] <anonimasu> :/
[17:33:14] <Jymmm> anonimasu what, you don't have any?
[17:33:37] <anonimasu> Jymmm: where would I buy wax from :/
[17:33:57] <Jymmm> use-enco.com
[17:34:22] <anonimasu> I am in north sweden..
[17:35:02] <anonimasu> kind of kills buying machineable wax.. from us..
[17:35:25] <Jymmm> in all of europe, there isn't any place to buy it?
[17:35:37] <anonimasu> I have no idea, I've yet to find a retailer locally
[17:36:09] <jacky^^> bleahhh
[17:36:18] <jacky^^> 17 kB/s ...
[17:36:25] <jacky^^> :\
[17:36:40] <anonimasu> hm one hour per part..
[17:36:41] <anonimasu> at moderate speed..
[17:36:41] <anonimasu> acceptable..
[17:36:42] <jacky^^> 1h40m20s
[17:36:53] <anonimasu> I am talking about my part in alu..
[17:36:58] <jacky^^> :)
[17:36:59] <anonimasu> I need a higher speed spindle..
[17:37:10] <jacky^^> i was talking about debian mirror site ..
[17:37:15] <Jymmm> higher speed or torque?
[17:37:54] <anonimasu> speed can compensate for lack of torque..
[17:38:04] <anonimasu> but well, 5 kw..
[17:38:08] <anonimasu> geared to 10000rpm..
[17:38:42] <anonimasu> ah well 44 minutes now..
[17:38:50] <anonimasu> just a bit more optimization and I'll be cutting..
[17:39:28] <anonimasu> Jymmm: seen the datrondynamics machines?
[17:39:33] <anonimasu> 40000rpm and 600w
[17:39:35] <Jymmm> yep
[17:39:40] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:40:15] <anonimasu> brb, I'll be back from outside in the shop..
[17:50:42] <anonimasu> iab
[17:53:58] <anonimasu> hm
[17:54:10] <anonimasu> if the accel clamping on Z worked fine I wouldnt hesitate to cut this now
[18:00:58] <anonimasu> hm..
[18:02:49] <anonimasu> AFk34ui'å0
[18:02:52] <anonimasu> damn it.
[18:04:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu concludes emc usless for making parts
[18:04:47] <anonimasu> fuck this.
[18:05:00] <Jymmm> ???
[18:05:05] <anonimasu> you know what's scary..
[18:05:10] <anonimasu> when the machine ferrors.
[18:05:26] <anonimasu> and when you put it out of estop the Z axis goes whirr..
[18:06:11] <Jymmm> it moves?
[18:06:13] <anonimasu> and the fact that emc uses the decels on a estop condition..
[18:06:14] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:06:25] <Jymmm> ewwww
[18:06:35] <anonimasu> now that's great..
[18:06:58] <anonimasu> although the estop on the usc is hard..
[18:07:01] <anonimasu> but it's still very scary..
[18:07:11] <anonimasu> if I hit esc I want the machine to stop.
[18:07:15] <Jymmm> oh... this it thru the USC card as well?
[18:07:19] <anonimasu> yep..
[18:07:42] <anonimasu> my z axis ferrors because the stepper cant keep up with the max speed of the servos..
[18:08:09] <anonimasu> and I have the ferror limits and pid tuned thereafter..
[18:08:09] <Jymmm> geared?
[18:08:20] <anonimasu> yeah..
[18:08:24] <anonimasu> but the rapids are at 2m/min
[18:08:29] <anonimasu> slow :/
[18:10:06] <anonimasu> well
[18:10:11] <anonimasu> bye bye stepper
[18:10:13] <anonimasu> hello servo.
[18:10:13] <Jymmm> dont know what to say... servo on Z maybe?
[18:11:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[18:11:08] <anonimasu> the problem is the accel limiting...
[18:14:19] <anonimasu> :(
[18:14:30] <anonimasu> I am kind of happy though..
[18:14:41] <anonimasu> if I had a servo I would have machined table.
[18:14:51] <anonimasu> wham at 2m/min.
[18:46:05] <Jymmm> what stepping is z?
[19:05:08] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc: write out the var file at synch time, just like emc1 and emc-bdi4
[19:28:29] <robin_sz> hey anonimasu .. you know, you dont have to buy real machineable wax you know ...
[19:29:06] <jacky^^> hi robin_sz
[19:29:25] <jacky^^> anonimasu: can i use the same ini file ive on emc2 ?
[19:29:41] <robin_sz> you know there are candle waxes, and stearate or something hardners that you add
[19:32:13] <anonimasu> no
[19:32:25] <anonimasu> hm, I dont know about hardeners..
[19:32:29] <anonimasu> but I have candle wax
[19:32:43] <robin_sz> probably a bit soft
[19:33:22] <jacky^^> anonimasu: better all servos :\
[19:33:37] <jacky^^> better do not mix I eard ..
[19:34:40] <jacky^^> i also was thinking to use stepper on Z axis
[19:34:52] <anonimasu> jacky^^: why wouldnt it mix?
[19:35:19] <robin_sz> sounds like the sort of thing you hear on CNCZOne ;)
[19:35:22] <anonimasu> yeah..
[19:35:25] <anonimasu> that's bullshit.
[19:35:30] <jacky^^> not because i tried..
[19:35:45] <anonimasu> the issue is not servos & steppers the issue
[19:35:48] <anonimasu> the issue is emc.
[19:35:54] <jacky^^> i just asked end someone tell me use all servos and youll happy ..
[19:36:00] <jacky^^> emc2 ?
[19:36:04] <anonimasu> emc.
[19:36:06] <anonimasu> emc2..
[19:36:15] <anonimasu> if there havent been a change in emc2 a major one..
[19:36:40] <anonimasu> jacky^^: the problem is that emc does not honour accel limits.
[19:36:43] <anonimasu> for each axis..
[19:37:06] <jacky^^> mmh
[19:37:20] <cradek> anonimasu: why not summarize your test results on the devel list?
[19:37:31] <anonimasu> cradek: I cant test it more
[19:37:34] <cradek> anonimasu: per-axis accel is supposed to work, and it must have a bug.
[19:37:40] <anonimasu> cradek: ok?
[19:37:57] <anonimasu> cradek: it kind of scared me a bit..
[19:38:03] <jacky^^> * jacky^^ finished to upgrade debian !
[19:38:05] <anonimasu> especially since emc made the axis run away..
[19:38:20] <anonimasu> I got a ferror and when I took it out of estop it went whirr..
[19:38:21] <jacky^^> i'm going to search info abut emc2 compilation ..
[19:38:24] <cradek> anonimasu: yuck.
[19:38:27] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:38:37] <anonimasu> if I had a servo on that axis I would have hit the table at 2m/min
[19:38:50] <anonimasu> but with a servo the problem wouldnt have happened in the first place..
[19:39:11] <robin_sz> oh I dunno .. servos ferror as well
[19:39:40] <anonimasu> robin_sz: yeah but they can cope with the accels..
[19:39:47] <robin_sz> I never did understand the PID thing with steppers, and no one was ever able to give me any settings that worked
[19:40:16] <robin_sz> anonimasu: not really, they just ferror if you exceed the limits, same as steppers
[19:40:32] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I am not exceeding any limits..
[19:40:44] <anonimasu> I am not accelerating it faster then I am accelerating my 2 servos on the other axis:es..
[19:40:56] <anonimasu> ah well,
[19:40:57] <robin_sz> then why did it go whirr?
[19:41:11] <anonimasu> I have no idea..
[19:41:20] <anonimasu> because it didnt respect the max_accel..
[19:41:33] <robin_sz> well, either it was locked up solid mechanically ..?
[19:41:40] <anonimasu> nope.
[19:41:51] <robin_sz> or it exceeded the available torque due to high accel
[19:42:16] <anonimasu> yeah that might have been the case..
[19:42:28] <anonimasu> but the servos just went along fine..
[19:42:30] <anonimasu> ;)
[19:42:33] <anonimasu> wb
[19:42:45] <robin_sz> so ... a servo would have had a ferror there too
[19:43:18] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps robin
[19:43:27] <anonimasu> I am not arguing servos versus steppers with you
[19:43:49] <anonimasu> I dont like the fact that the stepper cant cope with the same axis:es as the other axis:es..
[19:44:00] <robin_sz> you dont get it ...
[19:44:09] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I dont really care if I have a small ferror on a g0
[19:44:32] <robin_sz> if that Z axis had a servo with slower response than the other two axes (being big and heavy)
[19:44:50] <robin_sz> then .. the high accel would have been the same problem ...
[19:45:13] <anonimasu> the z axis is geared more to compensate for the increased weight..
[19:46:35] <robin_sz> imavine a long Y axis cut ..
[19:46:48] <robin_sz> in the middle is a Z axis V
[19:46:53] <robin_sz> ramp down .. ramp up
[19:47:48] <robin_sz> it would be interesting to run that and watch the behaviour of Y as the Z accels are lowered to very low levels
[19:48:04] <anonimasu> why?
[19:48:45] <robin_sz> see if it aniticipates having to slow down for the forthcoming Z move
[19:49:22] <anonimasu> yeah, lookahead..
[19:50:13] <anonimasu> robin_sz: however the main issue is the accel limits..
[19:50:21] <robin_sz> yep
[19:50:22] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I never did ask the z axis to move at a speed that it could not..
[19:50:39] <anonimasu> I made a z g0 z0.2
[19:50:49] <anonimasu> err g0 z0.2
[19:50:51] <robin_sz> the pulse gen should simply never try and accel faster than the axis can .. simple.
[19:50:58] <anonimasu> yeah.
[19:51:13] <anonimasu> servos or steppers dosent really matter, although the servos would have coped with the problem..
[19:51:22] <robin_sz> no they wouldnt
[19:51:30] <anonimasu> yes they would have.
[19:51:39] <robin_sz> thenyour settings are wrong
[19:52:27] <anonimasu> robin_sz: there's quite a difference in the speed/torque curve of a servo and of a stepper..
[19:52:36] <robin_sz> if its out of limits, then its out of limits ... the servos should have thrown a ferror if the max accel of the servo
[19:53:31] <anonimasu> yes, if the max accel exceeds the limits.
[19:53:44] <robin_sz> yes
[19:53:50] <anonimasu> but with the servos I have that accel wouldnt have been out of the limits.
[19:53:54] <anonimasu> :P
[19:54:12] <robin_sz> well thats a different question
[19:55:17] <anonimasu> :D
[19:55:19] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[19:55:24] <anonimasu> well I guess I didnt get my parts machines..
[19:55:26] <anonimasu> machined..
[19:55:38] <robin_sz> where a servo beats a stepper is with sudden changes in speed .. IFF you ignore following errors
[19:56:17] <robin_sz> why no get Jymmm to do them for you?
[19:56:25] <anonimasu> lol
[19:56:46] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I ended up picking apart the spindle to buy new bearings..
[19:56:51] <anonimasu> and a new motor..
[19:56:57] <anonimasu> so I can gear to 10k rpm
[19:57:16] <robin_sz> will your x and Y go that fast?
[19:57:51] <anonimasu> yes
[19:58:28] <robin_sz> single flute cutter .. 0.07mm per rev,
[19:58:44] <anonimasu> 700mm/min..
[19:58:52] <robin_sz> yeah, not that fasti guess
[19:58:53] <anonimasu> slow :/
[19:59:07] <robin_sz> 1.4m with a 2 flute
[19:59:11] <anonimasu> still slow..
[19:59:30] <anonimasu> :)
[19:59:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz points at his laser ...
[20:00:06] <anonimasu> 2.1 with a 3flute which is what I usually use
[20:00:08] <robin_sz> still wanna try the "whose machine is faster" game?
[20:00:41] <anonimasu> I am not playing any games like that..
[20:00:45] <robin_sz> ;)
[20:00:59] <anonimasu> the servos & gearing are adapted for 3.5m/min..
[20:01:08] <anonimasu> rapids..
[20:01:52] <anonimasu> 2m/min would make lots of chips..
[20:04:22] <anonimasu> brb
[20:15:50] <Jacky^> To do a developer checkoug, type the following at a shell prompt: ...
[20:15:59] <Jacky^> export CVS_RSH=ssh
[20:16:05] <Jacky^> vs -z3 -d:ext:<username>@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc co emc2
[20:16:13] <Jacky^> what mean ?
[20:16:24] <Jacky^> should I do this command ?
[20:18:18] <Jacky^> ls
[20:18:20] <Jacky^> ops
[20:19:23] <robin_sz> Jacky^: do you have developer access to emc2?
[20:19:35] <Jacky^> no, infact
[20:19:42] <robin_sz> then ignore that command
[20:20:02] <robin_sz> use anonymous CVS instead
[20:20:03] <Jacky^> ok ..
[20:20:05] <Jacky^> thanks
[20:20:10] <Jacky^> i'm doing all as root
[20:20:25] <Jacky^> i'm not sure, but in the webiste its not clean ..
[20:20:29] <robin_sz> why are you logged in as root?
[20:20:42] <Jacky^> to compile I mean
[20:20:48] <Jacky^> all commands as root
[20:20:54] <Jacky^> its ok ?
[20:21:07] <robin_sz> not really
[20:21:13] <Jacky^> ok
[20:21:24] <Jacky^> then i try to configure and make as user
[20:21:35] <robin_sz> checkout a cvs copy as a normal user,
[20:21:40] <robin_sz> edit as normal user
[20:21:46] <robin_sz> compile as normal user
[20:21:49] <Jacky^> ah .. ok
[20:21:57] <Jacky^> i need to repeat all then
[20:21:59] <robin_sz> when happy, change to root to install
[20:22:07] <Jacky^> i'm in the /root dir now ..
[20:22:14] <Jacky^> ok
[20:23:28] <robin_sz> actually, with emc I can;t rememeber if it was ever fixed to install liek normal software
[20:23:37] <robin_sz> perhaps you better ask someone else ...
[20:23:50] <Jacky^> ok, i try before ..
[20:24:02] <robin_sz> with all normal software you compile as normal user, in your home dir,
[20:24:13] <robin_sz> then only become root to install
[20:24:18] <Jacky^> ok, that what i'm doing now
[20:24:41] <robin_sz> emc might not be the same, but maybe someone fixed it
[20:25:09] <Jacky^> good
[20:25:35] <robin_sz> or install the debian source package for it
[20:25:57] <Jacky^> it seem ok from cvs now ..
[20:27:48] <Jacky^> robin_sz: i've seen some photos of your album, youve a very nice family
[20:28:02] <Jacky^> congrats for the babies ;) nice
[20:28:07] <robin_sz> heh, can I sell you my children?
[20:28:10] <Jacky^> hehe
[20:28:13] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[20:28:25] <Jacky^> great
[20:32:29] <Jacky^> mmh ..
[20:32:47] <Jacky^> first issue, checking for RT dir... configure: error: RT not found, try to specify one by..
[20:33:34] <Jacky^> cradek: you around ?
[20:41:08] <Jacky^> mmhh worng howto :\
[21:08:48] <Jacky^> wow
[21:08:57] <Jacky^> 19% [1 kernel-headers-2.6.10-adeos 971235/5092kB 19%] 13,6kB/s 5m1s
[21:09:00] <Jacky^> :P
[21:46:42] <Jacky^> hi jacky^^ :)
[21:47:49] <jacky^^> hey jack
[21:48:24] <Jacky^> install in progress ..
[21:48:32] <Jacky^> 2% [1 kernel-source-2.6.10-adeos 1024737/36,9MB 2%] 8666B/s 1h8m54s
[21:48:40] <jacky^^> good
[21:52:42] <Jacky^> umpf .. slow dsl
[21:52:58] <jacky^^> I know
[21:53:04] <Jacky^> :\
[21:53:28] <Jacky^> are you downloading some file ?
[21:53:45] <jacky^^> no .. just surfing the web
[21:53:51] <Jacky^> okay
[21:54:43] <Jacky^> wait until i finished the update
[21:59:17] <jacky^^> how many time ?
[21:59:27] <Jacky^> uff.. wait ..
[21:59:41] <Jacky^> be patience
[22:00:16] <Jymmm> Hi anna
[22:00:29] <Jacky^> where's anna ???
[22:00:44] <Jymmm> jacky^^ <---- there
[22:00:49] <Jacky^> nah ..
[22:00:56] <Jacky^> its my brother..
[22:01:10] <Jacky^> anna is around here
[22:01:35] <Jacky^> hey paul_c :))
[22:01:43] <Jacky^> good evening to youuu
[22:02:04] <Jacky^> paul_c: installing emc on BDI :P
[22:02:08] <paul_c> Coo doppelgangers
[22:02:09] <Jacky^> ops..
[22:02:13] <Jacky^> emc2
[22:02:16] <Jacky^> :D
[22:02:35] <paul_c> using the latest kernel ?
[22:02:40] <Jacky^> but slow download fron debian mirror
[22:02:52] <Jacky^> only 18 kB/s
[22:03:08] <Jacky^> paul_c: i'm tryng with 2.6.20-adeos
[22:03:09] <paul_c> http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian
[22:03:22] <Jacky^> i tried ..
[22:03:37] <Jacky^> aldo ftp2.it.debian.org
[22:03:42] <Jacky^> also*
[22:03:43] <paul_c> There isn't a 2.6.20 kernel out yet.
[22:03:51] <Jacky^> i think tehy are using bandwith limit ..
[22:04:14] <Jacky^> its right ..
[22:04:25] <Jacky^> paul_c: tested ?
[22:05:37] <Jacky^> if something is better for emc ok, othewise also 2.6.10 is ok for me
[22:05:45] <Jacky^> i've old HW
[22:05:52] <paul_c> is the latest kernel.
[22:06:21] <Jacky^> ok
[22:06:34] <Jacky^> i will read the latest news
[22:06:45] <Jacky^> to understand if is convenient
[22:06:56] <Jacky^> for me
[22:07:15] <paul_c> the current development kernel is
[22:07:26] <Jacky^> no idea ..
[22:07:34] <Jacky^> you know, i'm debian user
[22:07:47] <Jacky^> i upgrade my kernel 1 time at year ..
[22:08:05] <paul_c> no... The latest development kernel that I have built is
[22:08:07] <Jacky^> just when i see effective changes
[22:09:11] <Jacky^> paul_c: are magma, adeos, etc meaning like 'sarge, sid.. ' ?
[22:10:25] <Jacky^> I love debian :)
[22:10:26] <paul_c> adeos refers to the patch RTAI used.
[22:10:40] <Jacky^> oh ..
[22:11:06] <Jacky^> i dont know much about patches used by RTAI
[22:11:16] <Jacky^> let me start with emc2 ..
[22:11:16] <paul_c> but a small exchange between the adeos team and Paolo @ RTAI prompted me to switch to using the branch name.
[22:11:21] <Jacky^> and I will see :)
[22:11:35] <Jacky^> oh .. okay
[22:11:39] <paul_c> so the latest is patched from the magma branch
[22:11:41] <Jacky^> understood
[22:12:30] <Jacky^> wb robin_sz
[22:14:32] <robin_sz> indeed
[22:15:01] <Jacky^> paul_c: not very often i compiled a kernel from myself
[22:15:10] <Jacky^> I used debian for many years
[22:15:33] <Jacky^> started with astable, i switched to testing after 1 year
[22:15:37] <Jacky^> after 2 to sid
[22:15:52] <Jacky^> in some case i compiled the kernel
[22:16:13] <Jacky^> for ex. when i needed a wifi support for some 'strange card'
[22:16:36] <Jacky^> I also like the module-assistent
[22:16:47] <Jacky^> its very useful for me..
[22:17:21] <Jacky^> so ..
[22:18:01] <Jacky^> cant understand peoples who want to compile all from theyrself
[22:18:05] <Jacky^> like in gentoo ..
[22:18:20] <Jacky^> spent a lot of time
[22:38:12] <Jacky^> jacky^^: understood you need to install kernel-source- ?
[22:38:24] <jacky^^> yes
[22:38:38] <Jacky^> better later then.. never
[22:38:40] <Jacky^> :)
[22:39:35] <robin_sz> oh god, hes talking to himself now ....
[22:44:49] <Jacky^> ho my god !
[22:44:54] <Jacky^> is my brotheeerrr
[22:44:57] <Jacky^> :D
[22:45:12] <Jacky^> he's helping me to install and compile emc2 :P
[22:45:43] <jacky^^> yup
[22:45:50] <Jacky^> :))
[22:46:40] <Jacky^> robin_sz: I talked to my cousin about plasma cnc machine and servos ..
[22:46:48] <Jacky^> it finally changed idea
[22:46:51] <Jacky^> hahaha :)
[22:47:09] <Jacky^> he*
[22:48:02] <Jacky^> but he was know something about RF on plasma ..
[22:48:11] <Jacky^> thats ok
[22:49:17] <Jacky^> hes plasma cutter can cut max 4 cm of thickness
[22:52:17] <Jacky^> anna_emc in on paltalk ..
[22:52:26] <Jacky^> singing ..
[22:52:29] <Jacky^> bleahh
[22:53:01] <Jacky^> (23:29:09) jack: pal ?
[22:53:03] <Jacky^> (23:29:49) Anna: siiiiiiiiiiiii
[22:53:06] <Jacky^> :\
[22:56:15] <Jacky^> 57% [1 kernel-source- 22036321/38,2MB 57%] 23,8kB/s 11m18s
[22:56:22] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ go go gooooooo
[23:02:23] <jacky^^> * jacky^^ yawnsss
[23:02:49] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ give a cup of coffe to jacky^^
[23:03:12] <Jacky^> do not sleep !
[23:03:21] <jacky^^> ok ok ..
[23:03:39] <Jacky^> 5 min yet ..
[23:03:59] <Jacky^> 83%
[23:09:01] <Jacky^> jacky^^: download completed !
[23:09:12] <jacky^^> wow
[23:10:17] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ unpacking kernel source ..
[23:15:07] <Jacky^> ouch.. a lot of warning ..
[23:15:16] <jacky^^> dont worry
[23:15:23] <Jacky^> ok :)
[23:23:46] <Jacky^> aaarggh
[23:23:48] <Jacky^> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-adeos/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[23:32:15] <jepler> I'm sure this is no surprise to anybody, but I can't get emc1 to build on x86-64, even in simulator-only mode
[23:32:42] <Jacky^> hi jepler
[23:32:46] <jepler> hi Jacky^
[23:32:50] <jacky^^> good
[23:33:57] <Jacky^> x86-64 its a strange cpu
[23:34:30] <jepler> it runs programs written in C just like my other PCs
[23:36:25] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is unsure of what an X86-54 is ...
[23:36:37] <robin_sz> I have some EMT64 xeons .. same thing?
[23:37:05] <jepler> x86-64 is the 64-bit CPU from AMD. Intel copied it.
[23:37:17] <zwelch> EMT64 == Intel's rip-off of the original AMD x86-64
[23:37:53] <jepler> x86-64 is basically good old x86, but with the integer registers enlarged and renamed (eax = 32 bits, rax = 64 bits), and some additional registers added I guess.
[23:38:28] <zwelch> it's kinda like MMX in that respect; an option feature add-on, rather than a completely new architecture
[23:38:36] <jepler> not so different from the transition from 80286 to 80386 (ax = 16 bits, eax = 32 bits)
[23:39:24] <jepler> on the other hand, the new integer registers puts x86-64 a little closer to RISC, you now have 16 integer registers, most of which can be used for any purpose.
[23:39:42] <jepler> (the instruction encodings are still painful just like x86, though)
[23:41:12] <jepler> http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/assembly
[23:41:13] <zwelch> oh... btw, having looked at the code, i bet there are places where the assumption (sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*))
[23:41:39] <jepler> I'm not surprised.
[23:41:53] <jepler> I fixed one in AXIS, where a sizeof-like macro cast its result to int
[23:41:58] <jepler> it would probably turn out OK in this case, but still...
[23:44:25] <zwelch> i'm trying to avoid those kinds of problems with new code, but I've seen places in rtapi that likely will need to be revisited to bring 64-bit compatibility
[23:45:26] <zwelch> jepler: which RT are you using on x86-64?
[23:54:02] <anna_emc> hello
[23:56:34] <Jacky^> hey anna_emc :)
[23:57:17] <jacky^^> hello anna_emc