#emc | Logs for 2005-09-18

[00:05:18] <robin_sz> how did the slides work out?
[00:07:02] <robin_sz> you know, I REALLY think you should try a couple of those on your Z axis ... mount a board vetically with the Y axis sollers onthe back, Z axis slides up the front ...
[00:07:12] <robin_sz> that would improve it a lot
[00:08:47] <AchiestDragon> brb 1 min
[00:08:54] <robin_sz> 'k
[00:09:03] <robin_sz> * robin_sz continues configuring nagios
[00:09:45] <AchiestDragon> was just making coffee
[00:09:47] <anonimasu> nagios?
[00:09:49] <anonimasu> hm
[00:10:07] <robin_sz> nagios is very very good it seems ... loving it!
[00:10:08] <AchiestDragon> back ,,, the slides work out ok
[00:12:26] <AchiestDragon> well lot better than the original way on the x axis
[00:24:33] <robin_sz> AchiestDragon: URL fo the pictures inside the drive box again?
[00:24:48] <AchiestDragon> 1 min
[00:26:02] <AchiestDragon> http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/cnczo.jpg
[00:26:25] <robin_sz> ta
[00:39:38] <AchiestDragon> well still got 6 slides left , and have a large bearing with a 2" shaft and a flange that looks like it may take a 6" chuck
[00:40:13] <AchiestDragon> so been toying with the idea of making a small lathe
[00:43:03] <robin_sz> ummm ... why?
[00:43:46] <anonimasu> AchiestDragon: does your slides have any play at all?
[00:44:12] <AchiestDragon> a small amount at full extent
[00:44:20] <robin_sz> AchiestDragon: lathes are (almost) free ... I picked up a very nice one for �350 with everything on it .. we left a boxford at the last factory because we couldnt be arsed to take it away, and no one would give is �50 for it ...
[00:45:24] <robin_sz> it was under a tarp in the yard, probably still there if you get a van ...
[00:45:28] <AchiestDragon> well large ones yes , but for a bench top one
[00:46:24] <robin_sz> a boxford is small enough ... 4 foot long, but floor standing. easy go in the end of a garage
[00:47:05] <AchiestDragon> :) dont have a garage , and would have to move it onto the bench each time i need to use it
[00:47:25] <robin_sz> we just shoved that one on a pallet and put a tarp over it .. probably still there in cwmbran
[00:48:30] <AchiestDragon> need a small lathe ( about 2' long ) something just a bit bigger than the unimat ones , and somthing that is under 65kg
[00:48:41] <robin_sz> the nimat ones are shite
[00:48:57] <AchiestDragon> yes
[00:49:07] <robin_sz> myfords are OK
[00:49:12] <robin_sz> but expensive
[00:49:20] <AchiestDragon> yes , been looking
[00:49:28] <robin_sz> got a shed?
[00:49:51] <AchiestDragon> no , and not much room for one
[00:50:09] <robin_sz> solid floor in the kitchen?
[00:51:27] <robin_sz> I recommend a Myford then
[00:51:31] <AchiestDragon> whe have a "shed" its 3' wide and about 8' long
[00:51:43] <robin_sz> ebay or chrish's site
[00:51:47] <AchiestDragon> but its almost full
[00:51:52] <robin_sz> heh
[00:52:50] <robin_sz> http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/homepage.htm
[00:53:05] <robin_sz> used to be good, but looks like not updated for a while
[00:53:10] <robin_sz> still useful for pricing
[00:54:35] <robin_sz> http://www.gandmtools.com/ #expensive, but intewresting
[00:54:59] <anonimasu> nice
[00:55:04] <anonimasu> that's the kind of mill I need
[00:55:07] <robin_sz> http://www.gandmtools.com/cat_leaf.php?id=2737
[00:57:03] <robin_sz> http://www.gandmtools.com/cat_leaf.php?id=2533
[00:57:07] <robin_sz> 150 quid
[01:02:53] <AchiestDragon> someting like this i guess http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MYFORD-MODEL-MAKERS-LATHE-SINGLE-PHASE_W0QQitemZ7545751716QQcategoryZ112399QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[01:04:20] <robin_sz> bet it makes �500
[01:04:37] <AchiestDragon> yes
[01:09:50] <AchiestDragon> anyway , stuck at moment untill i get these 10mm shaft couplers , there on back order with fanell :(
[01:11:27] <robin_sz> oh?
[01:11:56] <robin_sz> whats worng with plastic tube and jubilee clips?
[01:12:34] <robin_sz> bit of hosepipe and some clips can work out OK for a lash-up
[01:13:51] <AchiestDragon> i have been using car battory terminal clips , the cable holes are 8mm , and tap out ok to m10, but tend to work loose and drop off , the ones i have been using wont grip the bar anymore
[01:14:45] <robin_sz> you know about rhino?
[01:14:54] <AchiestDragon> no
[01:14:54] <robin_sz> and HPC?
[01:14:59] <robin_sz> oh :)
[01:15:48] <robin_sz> rhino
[01:15:54] <robin_sz> http://www.hpc-gears.co.uk/
[01:16:04] <robin_sz> and .. thieir sister company rhino ...
[01:17:41] <robin_sz> fscked if I can find the website
[01:17:57] <robin_sz> they do coupolings by the bucketload
[01:18:11] <robin_sz> ahh
[01:18:18] <robin_sz> they changed their name ot ondrives
[01:18:39] <robin_sz> http://www.ondrives.com/
[01:18:47] <robin_sz> enjoy :)
[01:19:09] <robin_sz> http://www.ondrives.com/
[01:19:14] <robin_sz> http://www.ondrives.com/main.asp?category=Couplings+%28Shaft%29
[01:19:19] <robin_sz> thsas better
[01:24:31] <AchiestDragon> its someting on the lines of these i ordered from farnells , but for a 10mm shaft http://www.ondrives.com/products.asp?recnumber=78
[01:28:07] <AchiestDragon> opps no
[01:28:10] <AchiestDragon> lol
[01:28:51] <AchiestDragon> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=7071425&N=401
[04:10:10] <Paul_C> Morning Steve
[04:10:24] <cradek> Paul_C: did you find the offset bug?
[04:10:58] <Paul_C> did notice one thing...
[04:13:24] <Paul_C> Remove the spaces & floating point format from offset_command in def set_axis_offset
[04:14:06] <Paul_C> How does one introduce a short delay in python ?
[04:14:06] <jepler> why would that make a difference?
[04:14:58] <cradek> I don't understand - does something change when you remove the spaces?
[04:16:24] <Paul_C> looking for reasons that the command isn't getting processed completely...
[04:16:51] <jepler> time.sleep(seconds) will get you a delay
[04:17:42] <Paul_C> 0.25 seconds ahead of you
[04:23:17] <Paul_C> dunno at the moment.. Let me sleep on it, maybe the answer will come to me later.
[04:29:58] <Paul_C> 04:00 - Way too late again.
[04:32:59] <jepler> well I put a post on the axis website about the FP problem and the update to fix it .. http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/01127012306
[05:03:05] <Jymmm> jepler so if that the fix, or a good point towards resolvign the problem?
[05:03:11] <Jymmm> s/if/is/
[05:39:32] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[05:39:36] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[11:41:39] <AchiestDragon> :) well got a nice toy at car boot sale today , a mig welder , 130A with co2 bottle and guages , for £65
[12:12:11] <anonimasu> nice
[12:51:48] <alpha> alpha is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[13:32:49] <Imperator_> FloH: ah a second german has joind
[13:36:33] <FloH> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[13:37:41] <Imperator_> you don't have to put a space before your commands
[13:40:48] <FloH> ahh, thanks
[13:41:25] <Imperator_> :-)
[13:52:23] <paul_c> damit... Seem to be spending as much time on axis as anyting else...
[14:19:33] <Imperator_> hm, and i spend too much time for some stupid PCBs !!
[14:29:45] <anonimasu> hm
[14:29:50] <anonimasu> I am building a soda can dispenser..
[14:30:01] <anonimasu> for our local computer club
[15:25:37] <paul_c> Hi Ray
[15:27:52] <rayh> Hi Paul.
[15:28:03] <rayh> Hallo Martin.
[15:28:05] <Imperator_> Hi Rayh
[15:28:11] <Imperator_> how are you ?
[15:28:33] <rayh> Good. And you?
[15:28:58] <Imperator_> also
[15:29:06] <Imperator_> voting day here in germany
[15:29:17] <Imperator_> or how do you say ?
[15:29:43] <paul_c> "Voting day"
[15:29:45] <rayh> That's it. Have you made your choice?
[15:29:57] <Imperator_> yes, of cause
[15:30:36] <rayh> How are you doing, Paul?
[15:30:52] <paul_c> 14 CDs for Sarge burnt.
[15:31:02] <paul_c> a 15th for updates
[15:31:17] <paul_c> now working on BDI-4.29
[15:31:32] <rayh> Wah! That is a pile of software.
[15:31:33] <paul_c> gonna email them over to you..
[15:31:47] <Imperator_> :-)
[15:31:51] <rayh> Yea right!
[15:33:14] <rayh> Getting the bugs worked out of it?
[15:33:28] <paul_c> Need to persuade Craig to use the latest build rather than 4.28
[15:34:05] <rayh> I can try to help if you send a list of the advantages.
[15:35:14] <paul_c> FP bug fix for freqmod, latest security & updates - Some 70 packages...
[15:36:05] <paul_c> Most of the newer packages will not be of interest to Craig or Joe....
[15:36:29] <paul_c> But do have the upgrade.sh script working.
[15:36:58] <rayh> Good. craig wants this as well?
[15:37:40] <paul_c> hasn't asked for one.
[15:38:36] <rayh> Di you intend to put this script on the BDI release or just for those that need?
[15:39:27] <paul_c> I hadn't intended to put it on the CD untill you asked for one.
[15:40:04] <paul_c> It could be of use to other BDI-4 users, so I don't see why it can't go in.
[15:41:18] <paul_c> The fewer the number of differences between a standard and "custom" build, the less likely errors will creep in.
[15:41:45] <rayh> Since is is a minimal upgrade that might be okay. What about the specific INI though.
[15:42:25] <paul_c> I'm waiting on you for the ini
[15:42:55] <rayh> Right. I'll get that over to you asap
[15:43:17] <paul_c> As soon as I have that, I can build the last deb and generate the CD.
[15:43:36] <rayh> Can we script the updater so that if xxx.ini then update xxx.ini?
[15:44:41] <paul_c> Currently, the script purges all configs and reinstalls them.
[15:45:31] <paul_c> except any configs that are not from the original install.
[15:46:00] <paul_c> so generic.ini will get removed/installed, but not custom_ray.ini
[15:47:18] <rayh> Okay. So if custom_ray.ini is in the original install it will be updated?
[15:47:37] <paul_c> Yes.
[15:47:58] <paul_c> IF it was one of the set from the emc.deb.
[15:48:32] <rayh> Good.
[15:49:03] <paul_c> It is the only way I could see of minimising usr input.
[15:50:26] <paul_c> Got it down to three simple yes, and one "Yes do it now" responses.
[15:51:37] <rayh> Great.
[15:52:32] <paul_c> The longer response is mandatory to trigger the upgrade - Don't want anyone just clicking through.
[15:53:11] <rayh> That should be simple enough to explain to users. Do they still need to copy the script to hd?
[15:53:29] <paul_c> Should run from the CD
[15:54:52] <paul_c> will do a BDI-4.11 install and do an upgrade from that.
[15:55:03] <paul_c> then do a clean install.
[15:56:01] <rayh> That'll test it.
[15:57:41] <paul_c> I did an early test upgrading from 4.04 just for the hell of it.
[15:58:43] <rayh> How'd that turn out?
[16:00:01] <paul_c> On the whole, pretty good.
[16:00:45] <rayh> Lot of upgrades from there, it seems to me.
[16:01:28] <paul_c> I would hope the bulk are 4.18 and later.
[16:01:46] <paul_c> shouldn't be any 4.04 installs out there.
[16:02:22] <rayh> Most I talk with are 4.20
[16:02:58] <paul_c> right - That should make life a lot easier.
[16:34:12] <jepler> I've fixed up the axis snapshots page so there aren't quite so many files ...
[16:35:06] <paul_c> Sent Chris a patch to remove compile time warnings from togl.c
[16:35:44] <jepler> OK
[16:36:12] <jepler> this one? thirdparty/togl.c:1061: warning: passing arg 5 of `Tk_ConfigureWidget' from incompatible pointer type
[16:36:58] <paul_c> that and the other one about main
[16:37:59] <jepler> I don't get that one. must be different versions of gcc
[16:38:35] <paul_c> maybe... Running gcc-3.3 for usr space code.
[16:39:17] <jepler> same here. gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)
[16:39:36] <jepler> send it to me too?
[16:41:13] <paul_c> sent
[16:58:01] <jepler> thanks. I patched in the togl changes by hand, but I'm holding off on the "Zero Offset" change until we undertand the problem better.
[16:59:30] <paul_c> The RS274NGC spec says spaces are optional.
[17:07:12] <rayh> gotta run for the fam
[17:25:38] <paul_c> paul_c has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home page www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT | General linux discussions and support the rest of the week. | BDI-4.29 released. FPU bug fixed, shiny new 2.6.12 kernel.
[17:27:27] <Jymmm> Where's my coffee damnit!
[17:27:41] <paul_c> two sugars please.
[17:27:58] <Jymmm> hi paul
[17:28:23] <paul_c> Evening Jymmm
[17:37:32] <cradek> hi guys
[17:41:02] <paul_c> Hi cradek - been working through your little "bug"
[17:41:11] <cradek> did you find it yet?
[17:41:26] <paul_c> got a few pointers
[17:41:30] <cradek> I'm not sure I feel up to digging in the interpreter today
[17:41:45] <paul_c> just need to make some time to follow them up
[17:42:04] <cradek> is the fp problem fixed?
[17:42:05] <paul_c> It's not an interpreter issue.
[17:42:23] <cradek> the offset problem is a minor annoyance
[17:42:36] <paul_c> for FPU, see /topic
[17:42:56] <cradek> ok
[17:43:18] <cradek> I thought you said yesterday that your fp fix broke the axis 0 pid
[17:43:22] <cradek> you must have figured it out
[17:44:28] <paul_c> It broke a bunch of stuff on the usr space side...
[17:44:49] <cradek> so tell me what you have figured out so far about the offset bug - you say it's not an interpreter problem
[17:46:58] <paul_c> The command is being interpreted, but it looks like task is not updating status...
[17:47:36] <paul_c> either the command queue is being cleared too early, or it isn't being handled correctly.
[17:48:20] <Jymmm> Is this about axis crashing, or another issue?
[17:48:27] <cradek> another issue
[17:48:30] <Jymmm> k
[17:51:04] <Jymmm> Ordered soem NUMPADs, will see how they work out.
[17:51:42] <robin_sz> PS2 or serial?
[17:51:59] <Jymmm> PS2 as they can be daisychained
[17:52:37] <robin_sz> ps2 to paralell or serial is fairly trivial with a PIC
[17:53:17] <Jymmm> KISS.... straight out the keyboard port. No special hardware, no drivers, no extra circuitry.
[17:53:59] <robin_sz> but then it will just duplicate the functions of the numpad on the keyboard, no?
[17:54:40] <Jymmm> Which tkemc and minimill do not have assigned. I remapped them for jogging and speed, plus a few extras
[17:55:08] <Jymmm> strictly within emc only.
[17:55:37] <robin_sz> this is to make apendant for your router?
[17:55:50] <Jymmm> pseudo pendant, yep.
[17:56:07] <robin_sz> does the router run yet?
[17:56:34] <Jymmm> nope
[18:14:36] <jepler> Jymmm: the FPU issue is about axis crashing or drawing wrong stuff... you should try the update and see if it lets you run axis.
[18:15:03] <jepler> Jymmm:
[18:15:07] <jepler> oops
[18:15:32] <jepler> Jymmm: see the top item on axis.unpy.net
[18:17:15] <Jymmm> jepler: Is that the fix, or just colser to a solution?
[18:17:19] <Jymmm> closer
[18:20:27] <cradek> ugh
[18:26:48] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands cradek a new roll of string and brand new paper cups.
[18:28:08] <Jymmm> ok so if apt-get install --reinstall emc-modules-2.6.10-adeos will that effect all the numpad entries I've made?
[18:28:35] <jepler> it *shouldn't*
[18:28:40] <Jymmm> k
[18:29:01] <jepler> you can see the files in a package by running 'dpkg -L packagename'
[18:29:16] <jepler> they're all under /lib/modules except for one file in /usr/share/doc
[18:29:39] <Jymmm> I've been editing things in plst so I have no clue what is what =)
[18:29:41] <Jymmm> plat
[18:34:28] <Jymmm> ok, added lines to list.sources and running update, upgrade now.
[18:35:36] <paul_c> You'll probably want to get the 2.6.12 kernel & emc modules.
[18:36:04] <paul_c> Not had a chance to do a "fixed" 2.6.10 build yest.
[18:36:32] <cradek> paul_c: I successfully hacked around the offset problem in axis
[18:36:52] <cradek> only tested on emc1 and emc2
[18:37:17] <paul_c> wanna send me the details (or a patch against emc2) ?
[18:37:29] <cradek> the hackery is actually in axis
[18:37:48] <cradek> the bug is: if you send an MDI command and then immediately switch out of MDI mode, the command is sometimes ignored
[18:38:25] <cradek> the bug is obviously in emctask somewhere, but I put short sleeps in the right place in axis instead
[18:38:44] <paul_c> Set the NML handler to wait for a DONE signal rather than a RECEIVED
[18:39:00] <cradek> hmm
[18:39:12] <cradek> let me look at axis's emcmodule
[18:39:38] <paul_c> I'll wait before uploading the new ISO
[18:40:04] <cradek> maybe it's a bug in our nml interface
[18:40:14] <cradek> I wonder if jepler is around.
[18:41:01] <paul_c> I need to go and burn some food. Be an hour or so.
[18:41:53] <Jymmm> paul_c you need better flamage!
[18:42:44] <Jymmm> cradek: If I get axis up and goin, do you want the NUMPAD changes?
[18:45:03] <cradek> Jymmm: I would consider them, but I think for a full size keyboard, our bindings are pretty good already.
[18:45:25] <Jymmm> cradek you dont have NUMPAD mapped at all
[18:45:56] <Jymmm> (or not that I could tell at lleast)
[18:45:57] <cradek> I know - my mill's keyboard didn't have a numpad
[18:46:40] <Jymmm> This is only addition, doens't actually change anything that already exists fwiw.
[18:47:21] <Jymmm> and if you wanted to, you can actually add a keypad inconjunction with a keyboard (PS2)
[18:47:35] <Jymmm> I guess USB as well, but I havne't tested that.
[18:56:19] <robin_sz> a USB keyboard need not map the same way as a the real keyboard ...
[18:56:50] <robin_sz> one option for a pendant woud simply be to use a USB keyboard chip to make a custom key pendant ...
[18:57:03] <robin_sz> could be quite cute
[18:57:24] <Jymmm> Keep It Simple Stupid, why overthink things?
[18:58:00] <robin_sz> becuase some peoples may not want what you want?
[18:58:31] <robin_sz> anyway, did you get your router running yet?
[19:02:33] <cradek> paul_c: offset bug (and one other) fixed
[19:08:00] <Jymmm> paul_c how do I add the 2.16.12 kernel? is it already part of the repository?
[19:08:17] <Jymmm> apt-get install --reinstall emc-modules-2.6.12-adeos ????
[19:10:25] <jepler> paul_c: new snapshot on axis website
[19:10:34] <cradek> thanks jeff
[19:10:47] <Jymmm> nope, .12 unknown =)
[19:12:40] <Jymmm> cradek jepler : Do either of you know a way I could combine my NUMPAD changes to axis without having to edit line -by-line every time theres an update ?
[19:12:59] <cradek> diff and patch?
[19:13:13] <Jymmm> ?
[19:13:28] <cradek> rtfm diff and patch
[19:13:32] <Jymmm> k
[19:13:45] <Imperator_> logger_aj:bookmark
[19:13:45] <Imperator_> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-09-18#T19-13-45
[19:15:21] <jepler> fwiw the axis snapshot I just uploaded should enable jogging on XYZ with numeric keypad arrows, but it's untested since my laptop doesn't have a keypad.
[19:17:08] <Jymmm> jepler: I'm mapping the arrows to jogging, the numbers to speed, and other keys to things ling contous/increment, plus ESTOP, etc
[19:17:18] <Jymmm> s/ling/like/
[19:20:39] <Jymmm> jepler: btw... if you just enable NUM_LOCK on your laptop, you should be able to test it out.
[19:21:12] <Jymmm> err wait.... nm
[19:21:20] <Jymmm> I'm thinking somethign else.
[19:21:29] <Jymmm> bah... need more coffee
[19:22:12] <Jymmm> you guys did a nice job cleaning up the key bindings in comparison to minimill/tkemc.
[19:22:48] <Jymmm> I actually noticed a perfomarnce difference
[19:40:56] <jepler> Jymmm: I can press e.g., fn-j to enter a 1, but I don't know how to get a KP_Left keypress
[19:42:10] <Jymmm> jepler: Yeah, I fubared. I forgot about that. PS2 allows for multiple keyboards/mice daisychained, that's how I'm able to get away with it.
[19:55:53] <Jymmm> There isn't a [XYZ] GOTO HERE in emc , is there?
[20:10:08] <Jymmm> like jog x to 5.00"
[20:14:53] <anonimasu> use the mdi mode
[20:14:59] <anonimasu> g0 x5
[20:15:11] <anonimasu> Jymmm: running your machine yet?
[20:18:05] <ValarQ> "FORTRAN is the language of Powerful Computers." -- Steven Feiner
[20:25:59] <Jymmm> anonimasu ah, I was thinking something OTHER than MDI. Nope, not yet.
[20:26:08] <anonimasu> :/
[20:26:10] <anonimasu> Jymmm: that
[20:26:16] <anonimasu> mdi is neat
[20:26:28] <anonimasu> or you can roll your own util :)
[20:27:12] <Jymmm> key bindings is pushing my dev skills atm =)
[20:30:48] <paul_c> jepler: The 2005-09-18 snapshot ?
[20:31:27] <jepler> paul_c: yes
[20:31:50] <jepler> it should include what's listed in the changelog as 'patchset 144'.
[20:33:15] <paul_c> OK... downloading & will build in a sec
[20:35:41] <jepler> can I build a .deb of axis on my bdi 4.25 machine?
[20:41:07] <paul_c> Probably, but there may be conflicts if multiple packages from different sources each with a different set of dependencies are floating around...
[20:41:42] <paul_c> I don't have a problem if you want to take over maintanence of python-axis
[20:42:33] <jepler> I can't commit to keeping up with bdi
[20:43:29] <paul_c> I've been building an emc package alongside axis so that they both match up..
[20:44:11] <paul_c> It is no big deal doing that.. The process is fairly well automated.
[20:47:58] <paul_c> package uploaded to the repository...
[20:54:21] <paul_c> OK... Have ~2Meg free for any package requests.
[20:54:47] <Jymmm> ah, fuck.... the upgrades reset all my preferences.
[20:55:48] <paul_c> shouldn't have altered the ini files unless you OK'd it.
[20:56:41] <Jymmm> paul_c changed the framebuffer, changed the KDE settings, reenabled the init.d stuff
[20:56:43] <jepler> anybody know if "heat spreaders" are really necessary on pc3200 SDRAM if you don't overclock it?
[20:57:28] <paul_c> Jymmm: You used the Duffer's upgrade script ?
[20:57:30] <Jymmm> paul_c thansk for adding the console icon.
[20:57:57] <Jymmm> paul_c No, I used what you told me.... apt-get emc-modules
[20:57:59] <paul_c> jepler: Keeping chips cool, any chip, is a good thing
[20:59:31] <paul_c> Jymmm: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[21:00:00] <Jymmm> paul_c what does that do?
[21:00:05] <paul_c> Change the settings to "Dialog" then "normal"
[21:00:28] <paul_c> then it should ask next time it resets any settings...
[21:00:31] <Jymmm> ah, well damage is done. I'll just reanable everything.
[21:00:37] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[21:01:38] <paul_c> There are some funky & evil things uou can do with debconf seeding..
[21:03:38] <jepler> operating current: 7380mA (max) operating voltage: 2.5V. Call it 18.5W
[21:03:49] <jacky^^> jacky^^ is now known as jackyII
[21:03:58] <jackyII> hiii
[21:04:04] <paul_c> Two candidates for inclusion... asr-manpages
[21:05:02] <jepler> luckily you already include everything for axis, so I don't have to beg you for anything
[21:05:11] <jepler> get rid of kde and you'll have a lot more than 2MB free on the CD though
[21:05:18] <jackyII> i just finished to assembly the optoisolator-doubleside pcb !
[21:05:26] <jackyII> it seem work , but..
[21:05:51] <jackyII> in the output looks like i alway get 5V
[21:06:39] <jackyII> wrong resistor value ?
[21:07:48] <paul_c> jepler: KDE is not going to be chopped - I have reasons....
[21:08:13] <paul_c> You can have an alternative WM if you like...
[21:08:36] <jackyII> ion !
[21:08:38] <jackyII> :D
[21:08:49] <jackyII> i use evilwm ..
[21:09:49] <jepler> paul_c: you've mentioned recently that there's not enough room to add icewm, so I figure it's futile to ask.
[21:10:30] <jackyII> evilwm is 19 k executable !
[21:10:41] <paul_c> 23K package
[21:11:15] <paul_c> jepler: icewm was going to be my first choice, but it has gtk-1.2 dependencies.
[21:11:25] <Jymmm> how many use BIND ?
[21:12:14] <Jymmm> on their emc box I mean
[21:13:09] <Jymmm> wb cradek
[21:13:38] <cradek> what did I miss?
[21:14:03] <jepler> cradek: paul has the axis snapshot built for the next bdi
[21:14:11] <cradek> yay
[21:14:12] <jepler> won't add icewm
[21:14:16] <cradek> boo
[21:14:21] <jepler> won't take off kde
[21:14:25] <jepler> he's 1 for 3 but I still like him
[21:14:26] <cradek> boo
[21:14:51] <cradek> his target audience (not us) probably wants something like kde.
[21:14:53] <jepler> I'm trying to figure out if I need to pay extra for RAM modules with "heat spreaders"
[21:16:44] <Jymmm> jepler 18W?W I'd use heat sink
[21:16:59] <cradek> so this is > 100W? That seems very unlikely.
[21:17:04] <Jymmm> even 1Watt is a lot
[21:17:18] <cradek> a 100W light bulb can't be touched after only a few seconds on
[21:17:38] <Jymmm> look at the fancy LED's @ 1.5 Watts... they need a heat sink
[21:19:27] <ValarQ> Jymmm: i use ISC BIND on my emc box, if thats what you mean
[21:19:42] <Jymmm> ValarQ it's your only nix box?
[21:20:02] <ValarQ> Jymmm: no
[21:20:09] <Jymmm> ValarQ why bind then?
[21:20:18] <ValarQ> Jymmm: i got a few machines and all got unix :)
[21:20:51] <ValarQ> Jymmm: i had a cheap machine as a firewall and that was the box i wanted to burn first...
[21:21:11] <paul_c> Hrmm... why does bind9 need to be installed....
[21:21:14] <Jymmm> ValarQ, ok, but an emc distro?
[21:21:17] <jepler> the 18.5W figure is based on this datasheet. see page 18 for the current, multiply by 2.5V supply voltage
[21:21:30] <ValarQ> Jymmm: never tried any emc distro
[21:21:51] <Jymmm> ValarQ We are talking about saving room on the EMC cdroms'
[21:21:52] <ValarQ> Jymmm: i only use the emc2 cvs version in gentoo
[21:22:01] <ValarQ> Jymmm: ok
[21:22:20] <cradek> I recommend nuking kde and that image that makes the console hard to read
[21:22:24] <ValarQ> Jymmm: i don't think bind is that usefull there...
[21:22:37] <cradek> (troll?)
[21:22:39] <Jymmm> ValarQ yeah, me neither, thus my inquiry.
[21:22:48] <jepler> cradek: yeah, I think you're trolling (nobody uses the text console anyway)
[21:23:12] <Jymmm> fb rules!!!
[21:23:20] <ValarQ> 80x25 rules!
[21:23:50] <cradek> no, 8x16 font at 1600x1200 rules
[21:24:07] <ValarQ> heh
[21:25:13] <Jymmm> I say screw X and go framebuffer all teh way!!!
[21:25:23] <paul_c> ion3 is out - 3006K to download (more if the extras are included.)
[21:25:40] <ValarQ> * ValarQ is a console junkie
[21:26:48] <jepler> here are some package names that look fishy to me: apmd bind9 (as already mentioned) enscript fdutils (but then I don't use floppies anymore)
[21:27:00] <jepler> this 4.23 disc has gtk1.2, I wonder which gtk dependency is keeping icewm out
[21:27:25] <paul_c> xcdroast had
[21:27:42] <paul_c> enscript is a darned fine utility to have
[21:29:37] <cradek> paul_c: could we get LaTeX on bdi?
[21:30:01] <paul_c> with LyX as the frontend ?
[21:30:15] <cradek> paul_c: actually, that was another troll, sorry
[21:30:15] <jepler> lynx (replace with elinks?) pm-dev slang1 (what depends on it?) tcsh
[21:30:33] <jepler> I have to admit that just looking through the list of .deb files I don't see a lot to cut
[21:31:21] <paul_c> I would like to have LaTeX, but with LyX as the frontend, plus a couple of conversion tools, 40Megs for that group.
[21:31:23] <jepler> gotta go..
[21:32:42] <Jymmm> how do you get the pkg size?
[21:34:06] <paul_c> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
[21:34:29] <paul_c> Or you can use synaptic to query the database
[21:37:56] <Jymmm> wth is neuron.com
[21:38:43] <paul_c> A mirror for BDI specific packages.
[21:39:09] <Jymmm> cant stat errors are popping up
[21:39:29] <xet7> Where is BDI-4.29 iso? Can I upgrade kernel etc with apt-get?
[21:39:30] <paul_c> apt-get update
[21:40:06] <paul_c> xet7: BDI-4.29 is being uploaded tonight
[21:40:08] <Jymmm> I did that originally. any reason I have to do it again by chance?
[21:40:41] <xet7> ok just got apt-get update && upgrade finished, was running on background :)
[21:40:43] <paul_c> should update daily
[21:41:11] <paul_c> xet7: apt-get install emc-modules-
[21:41:12] <Jymmm> argh... apt-cache isnt' showing the pkg size =(
[21:42:16] <xet7> paul_c: thanks, downloading it now :)
[21:43:14] <Jymmm> Hey, you can save 58K by dropping bootsplash =)
[21:44:19] <paul_c> Jymmm: Install asr-manpages please.
[21:44:31] <Jymmm> what is it?
[21:44:43] <paul_c> extra sysadmin manpages
[21:44:47] <Jymmm> ah
[21:45:08] <Jymmm> I found the -f switch
[21:45:33] <Jymmm> I'm just bitchign becasue I have to reset everything is all.
[21:45:43] <Jymmm> JUST LET ME BITCH DAMNIT!!! =)
[21:45:50] <paul_c> once installed.... man luser
[21:46:14] <xet7> does upgrading kernel update the grub boot menu automatically too?
[21:47:00] <paul_c> xet7: Yes.
[21:47:05] <xet7> :)
[21:52:16] <xet7> How do I get BDI recognize my usb memory stick (512Mb FAT) ? There didn't pop up any directory windows... should I apt-get something?
[21:55:56] <paul_c> You need to mount it - Probably /dev/sda1 (or similar)
[21:56:15] <paul_c> May also need to load usb-storage
[21:57:47] <xet7> ok, reboot
[22:08:39] <Jymmm> ok, how to stop gui login? rc.d -remove somethign or another?
[22:08:44] <Jymmm> perm
[22:09:17] <cradek> change the default runlevel in inittab
[22:09:59] <cradek> no, forget it
[22:10:24] <Jymmm> no, theres something else... I always forget
[22:10:55] <cradek> I should always look to see if debian is normal before I answer a question about it
[22:11:01] <Jymmm> =)
[22:13:21] <xet7> Hmm, something wrong with that new kernel. First time it rebooted when starting emc, second time it freezed. But with old kernel emc & axis works on my laptop.
[22:28:13] <paul_c> Any last package requests ?
[22:34:28] <LawrenceG> paul_c how about ttt from cradek... not sure if cp1 is on the bdi stuff (rayh)
[22:34:55] <paul_c> ttt ?
[22:35:30] <LawrenceG> true type tracer.... generates gcode or dxf code from any tt font or type 1 fonts
[22:35:45] <LawrenceG> handy for sign making
[22:36:26] <LawrenceG> http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[22:37:19] <Jymmm> LawrenceG but but but that's a kiddie porn site!
[22:37:32] <LawrenceG> I have a slightly modified version if you want the source.... has a few fixes in it that cradek doesnt have on his web site yet
[22:38:54] <paul_c> Out of the question I'm afraid... Don't have the time to wrap it up in a deb.
[22:39:09] <LawrenceG> Jymmm ... what command are you using to send me last message?
[22:39:46] <LawrenceG> ok paul... not a problem...
[22:40:59] <paul_c> cp1 should be part of the emc package already.
[22:41:32] <paul_c> s/should/is/
[22:41:59] <LawrenceG> ok... its a bit odd, not sure if anyone uses it... I have on a few occasions...
[22:52:06] <jepler> LawrenceG: what fixes have you added to ttt?
[22:53:06] <cradek> jepler: the API changed or is broken in newer freetype libs
[22:53:30] <cradek> he fixed it by using a different scheme to read the outlines
[22:53:31] <jepler> oh nice
[22:53:56] <jepler> do you ever hate all the authors of all software everywhere?
[22:54:00] <LawrenceG> got it working under ubuntu and newer freetype libs, now works for type 1 fonts, cleaned up gcode comments that broke when generating certain strings
[22:55:17] <zwelch> does anyone know about any existing Perl modules (libraries) for programatically generating EMC compatible g-code?
[22:55:20] <LawrenceG> Hi Chris... axis is sort of working here now... trying to get it to make it through cutting 3dchips
[22:55:38] <cradek> what problem remains?
[22:56:27] <LawrenceG> the entire axis window is going to sleep.... with debug on, I still see motion and task messages in the console window
[22:56:43] <LawrenceG> I cant even close the axis window
[22:57:38] <LawrenceG> I works on some files, so I am trying to run all the samples through sim and see if it is related tosome type of gcodes
[22:58:23] <cradek> huh, haven't seen that problem before
[22:58:33] <jepler> cradek: that's the same thing you always say
[22:58:36] <cradek> I'd think you would get something on stdout
[22:58:42] <paul_c> LawrenceG: On ubuntu ?
[22:58:44] <zwelch> okay, assuming no such re-usable Perl code exists (which Googling has led me to believe is the case), what C libraries are there (for the same purpose) that might be SWIG friendly?
[22:58:48] <LawrenceG> I can move the axis window, but it doesnt repaint or resond to any clicks
[22:58:51] <LawrenceG> yes
[22:59:11] <paul_c> zwelch: What are you trying to do again ?
[22:59:20] <cradek> jepler: that's because the program works for me!
[22:59:30] <jepler> zwelch: What functionality do you want in the library? I've written some gcode generators in python and other languages, and for the most part I find that 'print' is the highest level of abstraction I use...
[22:59:40] <zwelch> paul_c: i'm writing programs to generate parts
[23:00:30] <zwelch> for example, I'm looking at the CAD::Drawing packages as a possible starting point; adding, CAD::Drawing::IO::GCode to generate an EMC ready file from a programatically created CAD drawing
[23:01:58] <LawrenceG> cradek, I still see all the debug messages on stdout and "Motion id 3211 took 0.119930 seconds." lines
[23:02:23] <LawrenceG> I am going to try a new mga driver next
[23:02:23] <cradek> I mean right when it stops working, maybe it prints something
[23:02:36] <cradek> you're the one that had obviously-bad GL, right?
[23:03:09] <paul_c> zwelch: Can't help you with perl I'm afraid..
[23:03:12] <LawrenceG> it appears so... I should try and run all the gl demos
[23:03:16] <zwelch> i guess you might say i'm homebrewing my own CAM tools with the goal of being able to automate the tooling and machining steps for low volume prototyping of electronics and small mechanical systems
[23:04:01] <zwelch> perl is just my poison of choice; i cut my teeth on C/C++
[23:04:18] <zwelch> * zwelch rubs his chiped teeth in fond memory
[23:05:03] <paul_c> there is cp1, a tcl/tk "conversational" module.
[23:06:01] <paul_c> cradek: Zero works...
[23:06:13] <paul_c> but not "Shift Home"
[23:07:03] <cradek> huh? the button works but not the shortcut? now ay
[23:07:04] <cradek> no way
[23:12:23] <paul_c> holy cow... Dropped two packages and added evilwm, have a saving af 14Megs !!
[23:12:49] <paul_c> yet the two dropped packages add up to no more than 3Meg
[23:13:33] <paul_c> BTW... Hi jmkasunich
[23:13:44] <jmkasunich> hi paul
[23:14:10] <paul_c> What have you got against Tux & the flyswat ?
[23:15:55] <jmkasunich> I prefer to see what is really going on, without having to hit F2
[23:16:39] <paul_c> www.bootsplash.de - Loads of other themes that might take your fancy.
[23:16:57] <jmkasunich> <curmugen mode> and I don't like pretty pictures - reminds me of windoze XP, comic book computers </curmugen mode>
[23:17:25] <jmkasunich> white text on black background just seems right to me
[23:17:58] <jmkasunich> I miss the RH startup, where each step printed what it was doing, then showed a green "success" or red "failed"
[23:18:41] <paul_c> apt-get install fedora-core
[23:18:53] <jmkasunich> don't like it that much
[23:22:39] <jmkasunich> in general, I don't like skins, themes, etc
[23:25:10] <paul_c> As you said, Linux is about personal choices.
[23:25:22] <jmkasunich> yep
[23:26:19] <paul_c> Have you tried installing BDI on that dual processor box yet ?
[23:26:49] <jmkasunich> no, I've been busy (and lazy) lately
[23:27:02] <jmkasunich> just now getting the 4.27 install on my main box pounded into shape
[23:27:35] <jmkasunich> (setting up defaults, fonts, etc, then I have to get CVS set up, and ssh keys for sourceforge, and so on and so on...)
[23:27:51] <paul_c> and 4.29 is going to be up shortly.... You'll just lurv that...
[23:28:10] <jmkasunich> you keep saying that you're done...
[23:28:40] <paul_c> Blame those darned users....
[23:28:42] <jmkasunich> I d/l'd and installed 4.23, then went on vacation
[23:28:50] <paul_c> * paul_c points @ Jymmm
[23:28:50] <jmkasunich> got back, did 4.27
[23:28:58] <Jymmm> * Jymmm didn't do it!
[23:29:24] <jmkasunich> this time I'm taking notes about all the steps so maybe I won't have to muddle thru on the next one
[23:29:28] <paul_c> well.. Who was it that started jepler on that bug hunt ??
[23:29:39] <Jymmm> Jacky^ did it
[23:29:59] <paul_c> lart -BF jackyII
[23:30:29] <Jymmm> * Jymmm secretly hides the axis seg faults
[23:31:02] <paul_c> * paul_c keeps quiet about the python-glut sgefaults too.
[23:32:04] <paul_c> jmkasunich: You can always apt-get the latest packages to bring your install up to date.
[23:32:25] <jmkasunich> 4.29 doesn't contain kernel changes?
[23:32:37] <jmkasunich> (kernel, rtai, etc)
[23:32:40] <paul_c> see /topic
[23:33:04] <jmkasunich> ah, so it does
[23:33:25] <jmkasunich> hmmm.... my hard disk is making funny noises
[23:33:38] <jmkasunich> (my brand fscking new hard disk that is...)
[23:33:54] <Jymmm> jmkasunichyou didn't surface scan it before using it?
[23:34:09] <jmkasunich> I just did a BDI install on it
[23:34:17] <jmkasunich> hard to scan with no OS in the box
[23:34:22] <paul_c> what sort of noises ?
[23:34:40] <jmkasunich> intermittently, it goes into a "seek storm" for a second or so
[23:34:44] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Actually you can dl the bootable disk from the mfg and di it.
[23:34:53] <Jymmm> s/di/do/
[23:34:54] <jmkasunich> bzzz-bzzz-bzzzz, and then quiet again
[23:35:23] <paul_c> not a bzzzz-ching-ching-ching-bzzzt ?
[23:35:25] <Jymmm> about every ten minutes?
[23:35:28] <jmkasunich> did it about 5 times in a minute just when I mentioned it, then stopped
[23:35:34] <jmkasunich> no chings ;-)
[23:35:46] <Jymmm> cha cing!
[23:35:52] <Jymmm> cha ching!
[23:36:15] <jmkasunich> Jymmm - haven't noticed a long term pattern yet, I'll see what happens
[23:37:09] <paul_c> The ext3 journal gets flushed to disk every few mins...
[23:37:23] <jmkasunich> this isn't normal writing
[23:37:31] <jmkasunich> very repetitive
[23:37:49] <jmkasunich> literally three bursts of buzzing, at a constant frequency
[23:38:14] <paul_c> make & model of drive ?
[23:38:17] <jmkasunich> maybe some kind of diagonstic (I hope)
[23:38:29] <jmkasunich> the other alternative is a flurry of retries
[23:38:36] <jmkasunich> Samsung, model in a sec
[23:39:19] <Jymmm> ewww, I'm not happy on samsung at all... had the last one in for RMA twice
[23:40:40] <jmkasunich> http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0168099
[23:41:11] <paul_c> Looks like smartmontools is a candidate for the next build..
[23:41:37] <Jymmm> * Jymmm agrees
[23:41:45] <jmkasunich> I think I fetched that from the repository when my last drive was starting to go south
[23:42:11] <paul_c> Well... It looks like I have some 14Megs spare.
[23:42:30] <paul_c> Any requests before I rebuild (again !!!)
[23:42:33] <jmkasunich> are you working on 4.30?
[23:43:05] <jmkasunich> don't forget to revise the version number in the install scripts ;-)
[23:43:46] <paul_c> * paul_c uses a free-alextreme-slap card on jmkasunich
[23:44:07] <jmkasunich> hey, just a friendly reminder ;-)
[23:44:32] <paul_c> Jymmm: man axe
[23:44:43] <Jymmm> paul_c can you take on the build to the end of the uname -a results ?
[23:44:48] <Jymmm> a/take/tack/
[23:44:52] <jmkasunich> If this drive gives me problems, any suggestions for a reliable brand?
[23:44:54] <Jymmm> bah
[23:45:11] <Jymmm> jmkasunich seagate has a 5yr warranty now
[23:45:25] <paul_c> I've not had any problems with maxtor & Seagate
[23:45:43] <Jymmm> The last three drives I took apart were maxtor
[23:45:57] <Jymmm> within the last three months.
[23:46:09] <jmkasunich> this is the first one I've actually bought in a while - I've been using some IBM 10G ones from the dumpster with pretty good results
[23:46:18] <Jymmm> I'm happy with the 300GB I just got, had a $50 rebate too
[23:46:30] <jmkasunich> the one that failed was a 30G from the dumpster, don't know the maker on that one
[23:46:52] <jmkasunich> (it's still installed so I can pull my home directory off it)
[23:47:08] <paul_c> The only drives I've had fail have all been pulls..
[23:47:18] <jmkasunich> most of the old disk works fine, it just has a couple bad spots
[23:47:37] <jmkasunich> unfortunately one of them is in a file that has apt-get info in it (package database or something)
[23:47:51] <jmkasunich> so apt-get is hosed, therefore the entire system is frozen in time
[23:48:11] <Jymmm> to me a failing hdd just causes headaches
[23:48:27] <jmkasunich> yep - thats why I bought new this time
[23:48:48] <Jymmm> jmkasunich bummer that it's quesitonable.
[23:49:14] <jmkasunich> need to run smartmon on it, see what is happening
[23:49:18] <jmkasunich> maybe its nothing
[23:49:20] <paul_c> I see why I suddenly have 14Megs free.... No xfce4.
[23:50:22] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: 300G is about 260G more than I need (or want) ;-)
[23:50:41] <Jymmm> http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/
[23:50:42] <paul_c> loadsa p0rn space.
[23:51:13] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Well, I installed it in an ext USB hdd case, works great for moving from system to system.
[23:51:24] <Jymmm> I can even boot from dos to it
[23:51:25] <jmkasunich> room for BDI-4.20 thru 4.999 iso's
[23:52:03] <Jymmm> I use it to ghost systems, and to dump 40GB raw video
[23:53:02] <Jymmm> oh and a 1,000,000 item clipart library too
[23:54:03] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Ah, here is what you need --> http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/shdiag.htm
[23:54:08] <jmkasunich> thanks for the link, I'll download those test and utility progs (gotta boot up the W95 machine to make a DOS boot floppy)
[23:54:21] <Jymmm> bootdisk.com
[23:54:22] <jmkasunich> yeah, I found that one
[23:54:45] <jmkasunich> (the shdiag that is)
[23:54:51] <Jymmm> =)
[23:55:13] <Jymmm> Driver Free Disk For Bios Flashing
[23:55:41] <paul_c> * paul_c wonders just where Jymmm wants the `uname 'r` results...
[23:56:09] <Jymmm> .'(BDI-4.xx)'
[23:56:37] <Jymmm> concat the bitch for all I care =)
[23:56:39] <jmkasunich> or perhaps the "bdi-92" tag
[23:56:51] <jmkasunich>
[23:57:01] <paul_c> so you end up with a BDI-4.30- tag ?
[23:57:27] <Jymmm> (BDI-x.xxx)
[23:57:59] <jmkasunich> you used things like bdi-92 and bdi-101 for the kernel packages (I think?)
[23:58:13] <paul_c> jmkasunich: Don't know if you follow much of the rtai mailing list...
[23:58:49] <jmkasunich> I'm subscribed, but I get the digests and only browse them
[23:59:40] <paul_c> There was an exchange between two of the main players - One from RTAI, the other from Adeos...
[23:59:59] <jmkasunich> I saw that... got a little hot there (or at least warm)