#emc | Logs for 2005-09-09

[01:35:42] <dmess> high all...
[01:36:31] <dmess> i need genius input on a pet project... any takers??
[02:17:31] <gezr> whew, I hope the genius isnt being looked for anyomre, cause its not me, I still have yet to call about the quote on that machine im considering
[02:45:20] <Jacky^> Goodnight guys
[05:03:19] <Jymmm> B-E-T-A
[05:24:04] <a-l-p-h-a> hey
[05:24:18] <a-l-p-h-a> do you know how I can change the chmod of all files under a directory?
[05:24:37] <a-l-p-h-a> nm
[05:24:41] <Jymmm> I personally dont.
[05:26:10] <a-l-p-h-a> chmod -R 0777 *.*
[05:26:11] <a-l-p-h-a> :D
[05:32:57] <Roguish> hello, is anyone online?
[05:33:29] <AchiestDragon> hi
[05:35:19] <a-l-p-h-a> no
[05:35:23] <a-l-p-h-a> AchiestDragon, is just a bot.
[05:35:27] <Roguish> I have just completed downloading and running the LiveBDI4.6
[05:35:28] <AchiestDragon> lol
[05:35:28] <Roguish> I am having trouble doing the 'hard drive install'. Everything seems to work, but the system errors in the boot. I'm stuck.
[05:36:12] <a-l-p-h-a> Roguish, the masters / guru to ask is paul_c. and he's not here at the moment... I installed the BDI instead... it was pretty simple...
[05:36:18] <a-l-p-h-a> what's the error?
[05:36:36] <a-l-p-h-a> <-- finally imported the win32 thunderbird to linux. :D
[05:36:57] <a-l-p-h-a> now all I have to do is mount my raid 0 NTFS SATA drives... and be happy.
[05:37:49] <Roguish> alpha, i can't recall the screen message. i will have to write it all down, since there's no way to print or copy.
[05:38:31] <a-l-p-h-a> if you don't want to wait... get the BDI instead.
[05:39:35] <Roguish> I have the BDI. it runs fine.
[05:39:37] <Roguish> There is a 'hard drive install' routine on the desktop. I'm trying that install.
[05:41:01] <Roguish> So sorry, I have the LiveCD, not the BDI.
[05:43:33] <Roguish> What's the best time to get help here?
[05:48:44] <Jymmm> Well.... The worlds most expensive plotter is running =)
[05:50:15] <a-l-p-h-a> Roguish, umm... ~noon EST.
[05:50:32] <a-l-p-h-a> 12:00 (noon) -5GMT
[05:51:37] <Roguish> thank you. i will try back. it's probably obvious, but i'm new at this IRC thing also. ciao.
[11:53:40] <Jacky^> morning
[11:54:57] <alex_joni> hi
[11:55:09] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[14:29:02] <alex_joni> hey paul_c
[14:33:51] <paul_c> afternoon (evening ?) Alex.
[14:35:30] <alex_joni> afternoon.. still
[14:35:36] <alex_joni> how's everything?
[14:41:05] <paul_c> re-working libnml today...
[14:46:33] <alex_joni> coo
[14:46:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prepares to go home :(
[14:46:40] <les> hi guts
[14:46:44] <alex_joni> hey les
[14:46:50] <alex_joni> we got no guts :D
[14:47:06] <les> I'm having to do patent claim stuff today
[14:47:09] <les> yuck
[14:47:22] <alex_joni> heh
[14:47:26] <alex_joni> how's the tribo stuff ?
[14:47:52] <alex_joni> well.. not actually tribo, but you know what I mean
[14:48:34] <les> Well, I have continuing funding....so it's good
[14:49:09] <alex_joni> heh, nice
[14:49:12] <alex_joni> gotta leave..
[14:49:20] <alex_joni> maybe will catch you guys later
[14:49:22] <alex_joni> bye
[16:27:25] <paul_c> Ray ??
[16:30:02] <rayh> Hi Paul. How are you doing today.
[16:30:43] <paul_c> Could do with some rain..
[16:31:11] <rayh> We know the feeling here. Lake is really low.
[16:31:23] <rayh> My install of 25 trashed my main netbox. My fault I think but I'm still missing a few parts of the new.
[16:31:47] <rayh> I can't get a usb printer setup.
[16:32:14] <rayh> Had to MAKEDEV ttyS0 for the modem. Stuff like that.
[16:32:29] <rayh> I suspect that security updates have something to do with the problems.
[16:33:01] <rayh> Nice Sherline post btw.
[16:33:26] <paul_c> Shouldn't need to be running makedev...
[16:33:59] <rayh> Yea. I've not had to before this install but it created no tty's
[16:34:22] <rayh> take a big hammer to the box?
[16:35:06] <paul_c> just firing up the test box..
[16:39:32] <paul_c> ttyS0 to S4, ttyUSB0 to USB15 - All there.
[16:44:53] <rayh> lemme look here.
[16:46:23] <les> hi ray
[16:46:46] <rayh> Got a bunch of ttys's I had to make the ttyS's.
[16:50:37] <rayh> under /dev/usb I've got stuff like lp0, mouse, scanner and such. NO USB0
[16:51:09] <rayh> I should try the install on another mb and see what happens.
[16:51:38] <rayh> Hi Les. How's the routing biz?
[16:55:29] <paul_c> ls /dev/*USB*
[16:57:59] <Jymmm> Are we there yet?
[16:58:25] <rayh> lotsa /dev/ttyUSB0
[16:59:43] <paul_c> a total of sixteen
[17:00:22] <rayh> Jymmm I think the path to "there" is exponential, the closer you get the slower you go.
[17:01:10] <Jymmm> rayh: but but but, I'm going backwards, so I should be traveling faster!
[17:04:51] <paul_c> Jymmm: Today, a plotter.... Tomorrow, who knows.
[17:05:08] <Jymmm> paitn stirrer!
[17:05:13] <Jymmm> paint
[17:05:18] <rayh> paul_c: yep.
[17:05:56] <paul_c> Hrmm... a CNC paint stirrer..
[17:06:39] <rayh> Installing 4.25 on a via 800 EPIA board.
[17:08:17] <bosone> hello! someone know an easy way to calculate pid parameters for freqmod?
[17:08:40] <cradek> bosone: I use P=80 and everything else =0
[17:09:00] <rayh> No caluclate for me P=200 I,D,FFx all 0
[17:09:32] <bosone> ok, now i retry
[17:10:35] <rayh> If you get following errors, increase
[17:10:38] <rayh> MIN_OUTPUT = -10
[17:10:38] <rayh> MAX_OUTPUT = 10
[17:11:17] <rayh> or make PERIOD smaller until the PC locks up.
[17:13:50] <bosone> deadband = 0 ?
[17:15:56] <rayh> deadband should be a bit more than 1/INPUT_SCALE or there abouts.
[17:21:57] <rayh> I said that wrong. A bit more than half of 1/input_scale.
[17:23:29] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-away
[19:32:33] <Jymmm> * Jymmm lights the tumbleweed rolling by on fire and grabs the marshmellows!
[19:50:48] <les> just changed web site a bit....upped resolution as more have dsl
[19:51:17] <les> could someone test it for me in a non-IE browser?
[19:51:38] <Jymmm> what a piece of shit!
[19:51:43] <Jymmm> should I look at it now?
[19:52:26] <Jymmm> url?
[19:52:42] <les> www.lmwatts.com
[19:56:21] <Jymmm> looks just fien to me
[19:56:26] <Jymmm> fine even
[19:57:17] <les> ah fien!
[19:57:34] <les> I just about doubled the background image size
[19:58:11] <les> but the old one was really fuzzy...and 5 years old
[19:58:13] <Jymmm> ok, now the things you should fix....
[19:58:19] <les> done in word
[19:58:28] <les> this is done in sitespinner
[19:58:29] <Jymmm> Page Title... Make each page title unique
[19:58:50] <Jymmm> Example: Test http://lmwatts.com/signwood.html
[19:59:09] <les> I only did the index page...the others are still the old ones
[19:59:33] <Jymmm> well, you should fix em all. The TITLE is the key to getting indexed by the search engines
[19:59:35] <les> will be revamping all of them
[20:00:04] <les> yeah some have titles like "test" haha
[20:02:13] <les> a funny thing happened...some of my stuff just dissappeared
[20:02:38] <Jymmm> Poof!
[20:02:57] <les> It was like the web host lost the files and restored with an incompleter backup
[20:03:04] <les> example
[20:03:27] <les> on the engineering page
[20:03:34] <les> bottom lowere left
[20:03:53] <les> the home link has just vanished!
[20:04:12] <Jymmm> nope, blame the operator!
[20:04:21] <Jymmm> http://lmwatts.com/.%5Cindex.html
[20:04:40] <les> I'd rather blame the web host...
[20:04:42] <les> hmmm
[20:05:23] <Jymmm> that is at: http://lmwatts.com/signwp.html
[20:05:28] <Jymmm> at the BOP
[20:05:40] <les> let me check
[20:06:52] <cradek> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/09/bush_caption.jpg
[20:07:08] <Jymmm> and do you have a Count.cgi script on the server?
[20:07:26] <les> yes but it is screwed up
[20:07:30] <Jymmm> ROTF!!! SO SO TRUE!
[20:08:05] <les> HAW
[20:08:48] <les> hmm not seeing that typo on the signwp
[20:10:01] <Jymmm> <a
[20:10:01] <Jymmm> href=".\index.html">
[20:10:23] <Jymmm> view page source and you'll see it.
[20:10:36] <les> I am
[20:10:37] <Jymmm> btw you REALLY shouldn't use IE
[20:10:43] <les> ha
[20:10:59] <Jymmm> Seriously... lets in too many virus/malware/phishing, etc
[20:11:15] <les> 99.9% of my customers do....
[20:11:29] <Jymmm> and 100% of them have those problems.
[20:11:33] <les> yup
[20:12:08] <Jymmm> hell you can get opera for free for a limited time, or grab firefox, mozill,a whatever.
[20:12:36] <les> yeah wouldn't hurt to have it on the box
[20:12:39] <Jymmm> as long as it's non-IE I dont care
[20:12:52] <Jymmm> you should NOT use IE unless necessary.
[20:13:25] <Jymmm> and disable JAVA unless needed as well. more Java based viruses are being seen.
[20:13:56] <les> pity
[20:14:03] <les> I use applets a lot
[20:14:40] <Jymmm> well, I have a button in moz that lets me turn java/javascript/ css on/off easily
[20:16:07] <les> hmmm some text not centered on the signwp....
[20:16:17] <les> that was done in word also
[20:17:01] <les> That is actually my printed brochure with links added
[20:17:12] <les> I salt the world with those things
[20:17:39] <Jymmm> Should be: http://lmwatts.com/home.gif
[20:17:54] <Jymmm> Actually is: http://lmwatts.com/.%5Chome.gif
[20:18:04] <Jymmm> located here: http://lmwatts.com/signprice.html
[20:18:18] <les> looking
[20:20:17] <les> not seeing that in the code
[20:20:27] <LawrenceG> hey les.... on your raised letter furniture sign, it looks like the background is randomly dimpled?
[20:20:45] <les> yup that is done by hand
[20:20:49] <LawrenceG> was that done by cnc or a shacky wood carver
[20:20:59] <LawrenceG> ok.... I like it
[20:21:05] <les> and yes, I would like the machine to do it!
[20:21:35] <les> Almost everyone likes that....and it breaks up tooling marks as well
[20:21:46] <les> only takes a few minutes usually
[20:22:05] <LawrenceG> I have been trying to figure out a program to do that... Would like a real easy sign program
[20:22:17] <les> On large signs It might take 15 minutes
[20:22:53] <LawrenceG> maybe design a bitmap, then process it into gcode
[20:23:09] <les> I can actually do it with a raster...but it is very inefficient
[20:23:45] <les> cheaper to have the carver do it!
[20:24:05] <les> now if each dimple was a single stroke....
[20:24:08] <LawrenceG> I would like to simulate a gouge or scoup type tool marks with a bull nosed bit
[20:24:27] <les> yeah
[20:24:51] <LawrenceG> a couple of passes... roughing with a big endmill
[20:26:06] <les> have to do some preety good pseudo random stuff
[20:26:18] <les> actually...it has structure
[20:26:20] <Jymmm> Ps can do that
[20:26:27] <LawrenceG> cool... have been working on Chris Radeks ttt program....
[20:26:28] <les> it is not random at all
[20:26:28] <Jymmm> PostScript
[20:26:44] <les> postscript dimples...
[20:27:18] <les> We even put them on the urethane foam signs
[20:27:28] <Jymmm> by hand though
[20:27:46] <les> right
[20:27:53] <Jymmm> les you have any high detailed photos of the dimples?
[20:28:03] <les> sure
[20:28:18] <LawrenceG> I figure it should be structured around the letters (tangential to the glyph) then more of an ordered pattern with some randomness bewteen the letters
[20:28:26] <Jymmm> can you toss it up on the website sometime?
[20:28:35] <les> yeah
[20:29:11] <cradek> I also don't get the home button
[20:29:18] <les> well with the human made ones there are regions of different textures as the carver shifts to a different location
[20:29:24] <cradek> and there are strange .\ in its url
[20:29:40] <cradek> (on the signwp.html page)
[20:29:47] <cradek> clicking that gives me a 404 error
[20:29:54] <les> yeah I see that...but it work ok here
[20:30:01] <LawrenceG> hi Chris.... did you get the source updates?
[20:30:10] <les> on engineering page?
[20:30:12] <Jymmm> les clear your browser cache and reload the page. Usually CTRL+RELOAD or SHIFT+RELOAD
[20:31:07] <Jymmm> les FireFox 1.0.6 http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
[20:31:21] <cradek> LawrenceG: I think I got the one you sent before we talked last night
[20:31:48] <les> thanks will do that sometime....
[20:32:31] <les> I had better fix that engineering page right now...dead end links are bad...
[20:32:46] <Jymmm> and the title too
[20:33:35] <LawrenceG> chris.. I sent some after we talked to both your emails
[20:34:05] <LawrenceG> cubic splinecode works fb now
[20:34:25] <LawrenceG> nice round characters without extra lumps
[20:40:05] <LawrenceG> did I scare everyone away?
[20:40:10] <Jymmm> yes
[20:40:46] <LawrenceG> ok... sorry... was felling kind of snarly this morning
[20:40:53] <LawrenceG> feeling
[20:47:49] <les> I was just handwriting in fixes
[20:48:00] <les> it's ftp ed up
[20:48:13] <les> ftpeed?
[20:48:48] <les> took out the old hit counter
[20:48:54] <les> don't need em
[20:49:06] <les> get detailed stats
[20:49:50] <Jymmm> les: In ALL the places you have your email address listed on the website, replace with this instead and it'll help prevent harvesting but still function as a clickable mailto link
[20:50:00] <Jymmm> <a href="&#109;&#97;&#105;&#108;&#116;&#111;&#58;&#108;&#101;&#115;&#119;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#115;&#64;&#97;&#108;&#108;&#116;&#101;&#108;&#46;&#110;&#101;&#116;">&#108;&#101;&#115;&#119;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#115;&#64;&#97;&#108;&#108;&#116;&#101;&#108;&#46;&#110;&#101;&#116;</a>
[20:53:52] <les> Jymm I am a business...I want to be harvested!
[20:54:29] <Jymmm> les : WRONG! This are ppl just harvesting email addresses for spam purposes.
[20:54:44] <les> ahh
[20:54:45] <Jymmm> you want to be INDEXED, not harvested.
[20:55:02] <les> what does that code do?
[20:55:04] <Jymmm> and to GET indexed, fix those damn TITLE tags
[20:55:09] <Jymmm> les try it
[20:55:16] <les> fixed the title
[20:55:21] <les> on one
[20:55:44] <LawrenceG> hey... since I was harvested, I have won several lotteries, obtained property in nigeria and know all the best places to buy rolex watches and viagra
[20:55:56] <les> haha
[20:56:13] <les> yeah I have to send of this weeks nigeria check
[20:56:46] <Jymmm> les that code is STRICTLY for you
[20:56:56] <les> ??
[20:56:57] <les> gee
[20:57:17] <Jymmm> les save it to a test.html file on your harddrive then open it in a browser.
[20:57:33] <les> k
[20:57:50] <Jymmm> unless of course you are running XP SP2 which fucks everything up.
[20:58:44] <LawrenceG> s/XP SP2/windows
[20:59:01] <Jymmm> les I had to dig out the script I wrote a ways back that generates that code, so at least try it.
[21:00:49] <les> oh I see
[21:00:51] <les> neat
[21:00:51] <CR750> Hi cradek. As promised I'm awake at 0540 on Sat morning. Do you have some time?
[21:01:11] <les> but can't harvesters do that too?
[21:01:23] <cradek> CR750: hi!
[21:01:23] <Jymmm> les : See, the scripts that harvest email addresses dont normally search url encoded content.
[21:01:39] <Jymmm> les They look for '@', 'mailto', etc
[21:01:41] <les> got it
[21:01:48] <les> thanks I will put that in
[21:02:04] <Jymmm> les Now you understand why I said STRICTLY for you =)
[21:02:11] <les> heh yup
[21:02:29] <CR750> cradek, do you have time to do a little debugging of REALIZE?
[21:02:34] <cradek> yep
[21:02:42] <Jymmm> les if you noticed, even the word 'mailto' is encoded. It prevents that from beng a search word.
[21:02:57] <les> I see
[21:03:24] <CR750> Cool. Do you want to start a private chat with me, so that we don't disturb the "others"?
[21:03:36] <les> I don't get huge amounts of spam...but some
[21:03:50] <cradek> CR750: well they're off topic too, so I don't care
[21:03:58] <CR750> ok
[21:04:00] <Jymmm> les Well, this will help prevent harvesting
[21:04:18] <les> CR750 go ahaead here so others can see...we'll shut up for a while
[21:04:28] <CR750> I have started acad, loaded the lips editor, and loaded realize
[21:04:36] <CR750> Tx!
[21:04:37] <Jymmm> les nothing is perfect, but any lil bit helps.
[21:05:00] <CR750> I'm all yours 8-)
[21:05:07] <cradek> Jymmm: your time is better spent dealing with the spam that you will eventually get anyway (spamassassin, greylisting, rbls, etc)
[21:05:36] <Jymmm> cradek I dont' get spam, and the little I do get is maybe 10 a week.
[21:06:03] <cradek> CR750: oh, you're waiting for me, sorry
[21:06:12] <cradek> CR750: what problem are you having exactly?
[21:06:33] <CR750> I get just 4 lines in the output
[21:06:53] <cradek> do you have that edited dwg I sent?
[21:07:16] <cradek> I know that one exported correctly for me, so let's try it
[21:07:28] <cradek> maybe realize is not compatible with autocads from this decade for some reason
[21:07:59] <CR750> I do have the dwg file. I'll load it and see what is produced.
[21:08:09] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/autocad/cr750
[21:08:18] <cradek> oh ok
[21:09:56] <CR750> Now that I've loaded the dwg as edited by you, I get a message "Assignment to protected symbol: TYPE Enter break loop?"
[21:10:27] <cradek> you get that during the load?
[21:10:47] <CR750> no. during a run of realize
[21:11:05] <cradek> hmmmmm
[21:11:45] <CR750> Hold on....
[21:11:53] <cradek> open up realize.lsp in a text editor
[21:13:13] <CR750> Opened
[21:13:28] <cradek> search and replace all occurrences of "type" with "etype"
[21:16:03] <CR750> Did. Still only 5 lines of output
[21:16:03] <cradek> (my autocad was released in '94, so some things may have changed!)
[21:16:10] <cradek> but that error is gone?
[21:16:14] <CR750> Yes
[21:16:19] <cradek> ok
[21:16:27] <cradek> let's go through running it together so I'm sure of what you're doing
[21:16:34] <CR750> k
[21:16:50] <cradek> you type realize, then what happens?
[21:17:23] <CR750> "Safety Heighjt <0.02>:"
[21:17:54] <cradek> ok, hit return or something
[21:17:59] <cradek> then it should ask for a selection
[21:18:19] <cradek> (I don't have autocad here so I'm looking at the lisp)
[21:18:36] <cradek> for the selection you should draw an area box around your entire gear
[21:18:45] <CR750> Output file <C:\ACAD.NC>:" yes, I made a change...
[21:19:03] <cradek> oh, right, it does that first
[21:19:14] <cradek> so now you draw the box around the gear
[21:19:38] <CR750> "Select objects" (I click botright to top left)
[21:19:47] <cradek> do they highlight?
[21:19:54] <CR750> Yes
[21:19:57] <cradek> ok
[21:20:13] <CR750> "13 objects found"
[21:20:27] <cradek> ok that sounds plausible
[21:20:33] <CR750> "<CR> Command :"
[21:20:52] <CR750> And the file only has 5 lines
[21:20:55] <cradek> so you hit enter after drawing the box and it just exits?
[21:21:04] <CR750> Yes
[21:21:19] <cradek> huh, it should say more stuff
[21:21:34] <cradek> if you hit f2 or whatever goes to the text screen, is there any other output?
[21:21:41] <CR750> There is stuff in the scroll back buffer
[21:22:25] <CR750> "Getting selection...
[21:22:31] <cradek> good
[21:22:32] <CR750> Sorting selection...
[21:22:40] <CR750> searching for drills...
[21:22:47] <CR750> searching for mills...
[21:22:52] <CR750> command:
[21:23:07] <cradek> so it doesn't say Mills: 125-MILL
[21:23:14] <CR750> Nope
[21:23:36] <cradek> ok at the prompt type LIST
[21:23:46] <cradek> then click on part of the gear
[21:23:48] <cradek> hit enter
[21:23:52] <cradek> it will tell you the entity type
[21:23:55] <cradek> is it POLYLINE?
[21:24:11] <CR750> LWPOLYLINE
[21:24:19] <cradek> oh hell
[21:24:30] <cradek> I wonder what that is
[21:24:42] <cradek> ok open up realize.lsp again
[21:24:51] <cradek> find the (defun get-mills ...
[21:24:55] <CR750> I'm guessing and "lwpolly" ? 8-)
[21:24:59] <jepler> LWPOLYLINE. Light Weight Polyline (R14).
[21:25:01] <CR750> Open
[21:25:10] <cradek> in there you see (or (= type "POLYLINE") ...
[21:25:26] <cradek> change to this:
[21:25:45] <cradek> (or (= etype "LWPOLYLINE") (= etype "POLYLINE")
[21:25:51] <cradek> I guess yours says etype now
[21:25:57] <cradek> so you're adding this
[21:26:03] <cradek> (= etype "LWPOLYLINE")
[21:26:07] <cradek> right after the or
[21:26:10] <CR750> in the "Get_Mills function?
[21:26:14] <cradek> yes
[21:26:41] <CR750> Done and saved
[21:26:47] <cradek> ok try again now
[21:27:04] <cradek> jepler: is the representation of a LWPOLYLINE the same as a POLYLINE?
[21:27:52] <CR750> Nothing after "Searchin for mills..."
[21:27:59] <jepler> cradek: no idea -- I got that little bit of text from the google excerpts of a search for LWPOLYLINE
[21:28:15] <jepler> maybe this other page will be more enlightening to you: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CAD/autolisp-faq/part2/section-5.html
[21:28:31] <CR750> Hold on....
[21:29:01] <cradek> jepler: thanks
[21:29:22] <CR750> (forgot to "load" after edit.
[21:29:35] <jepler> An additional command “CONVERTPOLY” may be used to convert a “POLYLINE”/ ”LWPOLYLINE” entity back and forth
[21:29:46] <jepler> http://www.hal-pc.org/journal/feb99/Reviews/autocad/autocad.html
[21:29:47] <cradek> ooh
[21:29:54] <CR750> "Mills: (125-MILL, V feed for 125.........."
[21:29:54] <cradek> it looks like the representation is totally different
[21:30:04] <cradek> CR750: ok, that's good
[21:30:09] <cradek> CR750: but I bet it still won't be right
[21:31:08] <CR750> Now up to 11 lines of output
[21:31:36] <cradek> CR750: back at the autocad prompt
[21:31:40] <cradek> CONVERTPOLY
[21:31:48] <cradek> Convert to: HEAVY
[21:31:55] <cradek> select all your gear
[21:31:57] <cradek> hit return
[21:32:26] <CR750> Done
[21:32:40] <cradek> now try the export again
[21:33:35] <CR750> Now the "found mills" is missing again
[21:33:50] <CR750> Should I change LWPOLY to POLY
[21:34:08] <cradek> there should still be the (or ... "POLYLINE")
[21:34:12] <cradek> unless you removed it
[21:34:42] <CR750> Was I meant to ADD it to the OR
[21:34:43] <CR750> ?
[21:34:52] <cradek> yes, but that's ok, just change it back
[21:35:01] <cradek> or download the original again!
[21:35:10] <cradek> oh no, don't do that
[21:35:13] <cradek> we still need the etype change
[21:35:54] <CR750> Now I have the Mills section
[21:36:17] <cradek> how is the output now?
[21:36:32] <CR750> And wadda ya know. The outfile seems fo have a *lot* of text in it!
[21:36:39] <cradek> yay
[21:36:46] <cradek> I put the etype change on the website
[21:37:05] <cradek> now you will still probably find that your output is 700 inches across
[21:37:14] <CR750> 427!!!
[21:37:20] <cradek> err no, this is the scaled drawing I sent
[21:37:33] <CR750> And that's fine, cause I'm working in mm.
[21:37:34] <cradek> ok so the secret is CONVERTPOLY / HEAVY
[21:37:41] <CR750> ok
[21:37:53] <CR750> Can I add that to the LISP?
[21:37:53] <cradek> ok, you might want to go back to your original drawing before I messed up the scale
[21:38:03] <CR750> k
[21:38:26] <cradek> sure, it could be in the program, but it modifies the drawing, which seems like a bad idea
[21:38:54] <cradek> ideally the program would deal with either representation
[21:40:48] <CR750> ok.
[21:41:40] <CR750> The original dwg (after convertpoly) seems to generate the right output. I'll fire up a simulator and see what it cuts.
[21:41:52] <cradek> great
[21:43:57] <CR750> The simulator sows an appropriate size being cut, however I still have (an easy) question... How do I reset the Origin of a dwg?
[21:44:01] <CR750> Shows
[21:44:13] <cradek> in autocad, MOVE all to the origin
[21:44:19] <cradek> MOVE
[21:44:21] <cradek> (select all)
[21:44:33] <cradek> select the reference point (where you want the new origin to be)
[21:44:44] <cradek> type 0,0
[21:45:04] <CR750> And that's it?
[21:45:08] <cradek> yep
[21:45:11] <CR750> cool!
[21:45:19] <cradek> now beware if you have a UCS set, your origin might not be the world origin
[21:45:26] <cradek> realize exports in world coordinates
[21:47:54] <CR750> (a little happy dance along with several "woooo hoooo"'s)
[21:48:12] <cradek> I put a note about LWPOLYLINES and CONVERTPOLY on the web page
[21:48:17] <cradek> that's easier than fixing the program
[21:48:19] <cradek> haha
[21:48:24] <CR750> lol
[21:48:41] <cradek> what version is your autocad again?
[21:48:54] <CR750> You have been most helpful. And now that the sun is rising, I might have some breakfast
[21:48:57] <CR750> 2005
[21:49:06] <cradek> ok, that's very encouraging
[21:49:16] <CR750> Yes it is.
[21:49:59] <CR750> I was beginning to feel like my mill project would not be as complete or easy as I'd hoped.
[21:50:28] <cradek> I'm glad you can make use of my software
[21:50:37] <cradek> I've had very little feedback from people using it
[21:50:55] <CR750> Thanks again for your help. I'll try not to disturb you wrt realise again.
[21:50:57] <cradek> I was starting to wonder if it wasn't a solution people want
[21:51:03] <cradek> you're welcome
[21:51:18] <cradek> don't worry about bothering me. I give my software away for a reason.
[21:51:39] <CR750> I like it, however "cheapskates" my not have access to AutoCAD.
[21:51:49] <cradek> that's very true
[21:52:03] <cradek> I bought mine long ago as a student for $99!
[21:52:14] <cradek> and in true cheapskate form, I'll probably never upgrade
[21:52:19] <Jymmm> cradek LONG LIVE DOS!!!! lol
[21:52:31] <cradek> Jymmm: you mean freedos!
[21:52:50] <cradek> Jymmm: I'm really happy to be able to run it in emulation on linux
[21:52:51] <Jymmm> cradek Eh, I like MS-DOS 7
[21:53:14] <CR750> I can't tell you which country I bought mine in, but let me tell you that I was assured that the photocopied cover was becasue of a water-damaged original.
[21:53:28] <Jymmm> lol @ CR750
[21:53:30] <cradek> CR750: yikes
[21:53:33] <CR750> <Asured with a strong Chineese accent)
[21:53:47] <cradek> mmm-hmm sure it was
[21:54:13] <cradek> I don't know if I'd use a newer one if someone gave it to me (legit)
[21:54:23] <cradek> I guess I would at least fix realize
[21:54:24] <CR750> Zone alarm keeps whinging about some "registration" stuff whenever I start CAD
[21:54:49] <jepler> cradek: first you'd need a computer to run it on, since I bet it won't run so well on freedos
[21:54:52] <jepler> .. in qemu
[21:54:53] <les> all fixed huh? I had gone back to doing rocket science for a while....which is what I am supposed to be doing today.
[21:55:00] <cradek> jepler: that's true
[21:55:11] <cradek> I am lucky the student version was dongleless
[21:55:34] <CR750> Yes you are
[21:56:22] <CR750> You lot are an entertaining crowd. Have a fantastic weekend. bibi
[21:56:31] <cradek> g'bye
[21:58:47] <les> Well that spindle vanished on the ebay store...But I didn't get good vibes from the guy
[21:59:25] <les> reluctant to give a bunch of money to someone that won't say more than a few words about an item
[21:59:33] <les> so...
[21:59:33] <paul_c> dait... Was going to say 375 runs, and rain stopped play with Aus. on 112-0
[21:59:36] <cradek> les: trust your gut
[21:59:52] <les> now I get to buy a new one I guess
[21:59:56] <cradek> les: also, for big money, get a phone number and call
[22:00:06] <cradek> les: gives your gut a LOT more to work with
[22:00:11] <les> yeah I asked, but no reply
[22:00:26] <les> hence the bad vibes
[22:00:33] <cradek> understandable
[22:01:02] <les> I still need to look more at emc ATC stuff....
[22:01:29] <Jymmm> cradek: How much (if any) compatability issues have you had with FreeDOS ?
[22:01:38] <les> otherwise just buy a manual er collet one (5 times cheaper)
[22:02:05] <cradek> I've noticed a few bugs or differences
[22:02:26] <cradek> DEL and MOVE can take more than one file, which is really nice
[22:02:32] <cradek> always thought that was stupid in real dos
[22:02:49] <cradek> I think there's a bug in xcopy but I don't remember what (skips some files?)
[22:02:51] <Jymmm> cradek del.
[22:03:05] <Jymmm> move I rarely use
[22:03:06] <cradek> but to run a program, even a complex one like autocad, it works fine.
[22:03:16] <les> I remember when edlin was the only text editor I had
[22:03:24] <cradek> I have tried several games and they work fine
[22:03:36] <Jymmm> oh gawd... EDLIN
[22:03:36] <cradek> HIMEM for the 286 is broken
[22:04:02] <Jymmm> les LINE eidtor, not TEXT editor =)
[22:04:22] <les> pretty much
[22:04:37] <cradek> edlin: hit "e" for save
[22:04:45] <Jymmm> EDitLINe
[22:04:52] <cradek> that's all I remember about edlin
[22:04:57] <Jymmm> ^Z
[22:05:01] <les> I have long forgotten the commands
[22:05:12] <Jymmm> ^Z or F6
[22:05:31] <Jymmm> heh... installing DOS now
[22:05:54] <les> I used pcxts with dash 16 data aq cards for a lot of industrial control stuff a long time ago
[22:06:07] <les> Really that's all I use c for
[22:06:11] <les> used
[22:07:02] <les> ran all sorts of custom machines with that setup
[22:08:55] <Jymmm> I'm using DOS now to move around some ghost partitions across the network.
[22:09:21] <les> Well, got some quotes here...ER25 spindle 5 kW with inverter about $1800
[22:09:24] <les> new
[22:09:29] <Jymmm> It MUCH easier to create/restore a ghost image than to reinstall just to resize a partition.
[22:10:08] <les> might be a little more If I run the inverter on single phase
[22:11:11] <Jacky^> hi
[22:11:19] <les> when I run the big rotary phase converter I get pretty crappy power factor....would like to get away from it
[22:11:27] <les> hi jacky
[22:11:43] <Jacky^> i found some IC stepper driver on an old epson printer, LB11847
[22:11:50] <Jacky^> it seem to be a nice driver
[22:12:20] <jepler> I've never heard of it before
[22:12:26] <Jacky^> but i cant understand if it can be drived by emc..
[22:12:27] <jepler> PWM Current Control Type Stepping Motor Driver </intarweb>
[22:13:10] <Jacky^> it has on logicu input enable 1, nable 2, phase 1, phase 2
[22:13:38] <Jacky^> where's thce clok input ?
[22:13:43] <Jacky^> phase1-2 ?
[22:13:51] <jepler> I don't think it's driven with step+direction pulses
[22:14:10] <Jacky^> ah.. i was thinking this too..
[22:15:57] <Jacky^> well, now im sure, thanks :)
[22:16:12] <jepler> Do you do microcontrollers? It would not be hard to write some software for a microcontroller that took step+direction inputs and generated the right outputs according to "sequence table" on page 7 of this datasheet
[22:17:11] <Jacky^> jepler: no.. i've no idea about use microcontrollers ..
[22:17:15] <cradek> emc can do phase output
[22:17:35] <jepler> cradek: this is more complicated, because it's microstepping
[22:17:40] <cradek> oh
[22:17:48] <jepler> for each winding there's I1..I4, ENA1 and PHA1
[22:18:10] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:25:47] <robin_sz> evening dude!
[22:26:18] <alex_joni> hey dude
[22:26:18] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[22:26:21] <alex_joni> what's up?
[22:26:27] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[22:39:43] <Jacky^> jepler: a pic16784 an be ok to generate the correct sequence ?
[22:39:56] <Jacky^> 16f84
[22:43:48] <alex_joni> Jacky^: what sequence?
[22:44:25] <Jacky^> alex_joni: i found 5-6 Driver stepper ICs in some old printer
[22:44:37] <alex_joni> 5-6 ?
[22:44:48] <Jacky^> yes,
[22:44:57] <Jacky^> 3-4 printers
[22:45:06] <alex_joni> ah.. ok
[22:45:07] <alex_joni> and?
[22:45:14] <Jacky^> in a signle board, there are 2 IC
[22:45:56] <Jacky^> i cannot drive it with only clock and direction ..
[22:46:03] <alex_joni> sure you can't
[22:46:09] <alex_joni> you need phase stepping
[22:46:24] <alex_joni> 3 axes?
[22:46:42] <Jacky^> it's not a machine ..
[22:46:49] <Jacky^> i've the carriage and motors
[22:46:58] <alex_joni> anyways
[22:47:00] <Jacky^> i would like just move it ..
[22:47:02] <alex_joni> you have 2 options
[22:47:21] <alex_joni> 1. use a microcontroller to convert step/dir to phase stepping
[22:47:25] <alex_joni> 2. use emc2 ;)
[22:47:35] <Jacky^> oh..
[22:47:48] <Jacky^> emc2 can drive this ic ?
[22:47:57] <alex_joni> emc2 can drive phase stepping
[22:48:05] <alex_joni> say you have 4 pins on the parport
[22:48:11] <robin_sz> 3) use a L297 to convert step/dir to phases
[22:48:14] <alex_joni> and emc2 can drive them sequentially
[22:48:24] <alex_joni> robin_sz: yeah . that too
[22:48:36] <Jacky^> nice
[22:48:39] <robin_sz> 4) just give in and buy a gecko
[22:48:49] <alex_joni> but then it would be best to use a L297 / L298 ;)
[22:48:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni would chose 4)
[22:48:59] <alex_joni> :D
[22:49:09] <Jacky^> robin_sz: i dont want to use L297 tha are very expensive E. 11 each
[22:49:18] <Jacky^> i'm playng just for fun
[22:49:20] <alex_joni> nm about the gecko then
[22:49:21] <alex_joni> :D
[22:49:25] <Jacky^> :)
[22:49:34] <alex_joni> robin_sz: toystuff
[22:49:42] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:49:49] <Jacky^> alex_joni: i will use gecko on my next machine
[22:49:53] <robin_sz> I use geckos on my toystuff :)
[22:49:57] <Jacky^> i will build soon :)
[22:50:25] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/HPIM5140.JPG
[22:50:48] <Jacky^> i'm just doing some 'robotic experiment' .. with surplus board and motors..
[22:51:04] <Jacky^> i've something like 9 printers and 3 scanners :\
[22:51:24] <Jacky^> all damaged of course
[22:51:47] <Jacky^> 90% head broken ..
[22:59:26] <bosone> hello! my 2axis stepper +solenoid EMC now works!! i must change MIN/MAX_OUTPUT to +/-80 for right speed and now axis follow and stop. I have only a llittle problem when i put on the machine. It gives to me follow error only one times at the first power up (software). I use BDI 4.20. some ideas?
[22:59:53] <Jacky^> bosone: great :)
[22:59:58] <alex_joni> yeah
[23:00:14] <alex_joni> follow errors are usually because the sw can't pulse fast enough
[23:00:18] <alex_joni> what pc do you have?
[23:00:33] <bosone> hi Jacky, hi alex
[23:01:12] <bosone> a pIII 600 64MB
[23:01:43] <alex_joni> you might try to decrese the PERIOD parameter
[23:01:43] <robin_sz> and it is ok when emc in use? just power-up when following error occurs?
[23:02:01] <alex_joni> decrease even
[23:02:07] <alex_joni> or maybe increse the ferror
[23:02:12] <alex_joni> or min_ferror
[23:02:33] <bosone> ok in use
[23:02:40] <robin_sz> hmm ...
[23:03:14] <bosone> period is .000024
[23:03:44] <bosone> i think us, rights?
[23:04:07] <Jacky^> bosone: im using 0.000020 on a cereon 800 mhz..
[23:04:15] <bosone> secons sorry, 24 us ?
[23:05:13] <robin_sz> i think if it is ok in use, then period is set ok
[23:05:24] <Jacky^> bosone: did never freeze emc ?
[23:05:33] <Jacky^> i think period its ok too
[23:06:31] <bosone> i tryed 50 and 16 with same problem
[23:06:55] <Jacky^> better 24..
[23:07:27] <Jacky^> check the ferror value, as alex_joni sayd
[23:07:41] <bosone> but work !! ;)
[23:07:42] <Jacky^> are you using mm as units ?
[23:08:12] <bosone> mm?
[23:08:17] <Jacky^> millimeters
[23:08:26] <bosone> yes
[23:08:36] <Jacky^> run fast ?
[23:09:22] <Jacky^> i had to change in inches to run fast , using emc 1
[23:09:36] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:09:39] <Jacky^> check too ..
[23:09:43] <bosone> try to change MIN/MAX_OUTPUT to +/-80
[23:09:49] <robin_sz> emc1 can have issues in mm
[23:09:57] <robin_sz> especially with small steps/mm
[23:10:50] <bosone> i have only 20 steps/mm, so is faster
[23:11:00] <robin_sz> ahh
[23:11:15] <robin_sz> less than 50 steps per mm and emc1 can have problems
[23:11:48] <robin_sz> try using inches and 25.4 x 20 steps per inch
[23:11:52] <bosone> yes, the pid and the power up i think
[23:11:53] <alex_joni> right
[23:11:57] <robin_sz> also change max velocity etc
[23:12:10] <anna_emc> hello
[23:12:15] <robin_sz> meep!
[23:12:38] <bosone> hello :)
[23:13:00] <anna_emc> :-)
[23:14:44] <bosone> another problem whit emc1 & mm i think is the velocity reported / setted on gui, or I mistake...
[23:14:47] <alex_joni> greetings over there
[23:14:58] <alex_joni> heard you are from napoli?
[23:15:40] <bosone> I?
[23:15:48] <robin_sz> uh oh! ...
[23:15:50] <alex_joni> nope, anna_emc
[23:15:54] <alex_joni> robin_sz: what?
[23:16:03] <robin_sz> * robin_sz just worked out who anna_emc is!
[23:16:20] <alex_joni> kats?
[23:19:17] <anna_emc> yes
[23:19:23] <robin_sz> so .. for more welding fun, today, I decided to run up the big mig set again ... went out, got gas, had to use the for truck to get it from where I stored it, had to find a 3phase plug ... etc etc .. finally get it all set up, find some scraps of metal etc and ...
[23:19:38] <alex_joni> and?
[23:19:40] <robin_sz> fscking 0.8mm wire, 1mm feed wheels
[23:19:44] <alex_joni> lol
[23:19:50] <alex_joni> works the other way around :D
[23:19:56] <robin_sz> yeah ...
[23:19:59] <robin_sz> poxy thing
[23:20:06] <alex_joni> might even worklike this
[23:20:10] <robin_sz> 1mm wire too much for 3mm sheets?
[23:20:10] <alex_joni> but you need to trash them
[23:20:11] <alex_joni> :D
[23:20:17] <alex_joni> not really
[23:20:22] <alex_joni> you can go pretty low on 1mm
[23:20:27] <robin_sz> so get some 1mm wire maybe?
[23:20:53] <robin_sz> what about liner?
[23:21:04] <alex_joni> 0.8-1mm is usually the same
[23:21:07] <robin_sz> 'k
[23:21:09] <alex_joni> same as 1.2-1.4
[23:21:14] <robin_sz> right
[23:21:21] <robin_sz> grrr
[23:21:41] <Jacky^> doh !
[23:21:49] <Jacky^> whats happening ?
[23:22:00] <bosone> plese, someone know a good, free (maybe open!) dxf to g-code translator?
[23:22:01] <Jacky^> 3 italian peolpes in a signle shot ??
[23:22:05] <Jacky^> :D
[23:22:07] <Jacky^> hello anna_emc
[23:22:13] <anna_emc> hello
[23:22:32] <robin_sz> Oi! ... no kissing!
[23:22:57] <robin_sz> bosone: 2d or 3d?
[23:23:05] <bosone> 2d
[23:23:16] <bosone> for pcb
[23:23:22] <robin_sz> ahh,
[23:23:29] <robin_sz> you want cradek I think
[23:23:34] <robin_sz> for routing PCB?
[23:23:38] <anna_emc> how are you Jacky^?
[23:23:40] <robin_sz> or just drilling?
[23:23:52] <Jacky^> anna_emc: nice, working a lot..
[23:24:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni read some logs
[23:24:12] <alex_joni> anna_emc: capri is great
[23:24:16] <bosone> for testing my unit now!
[23:24:18] <alex_joni> was there a few years ago
[23:24:27] <Jacky^> anna_emc: bosone is from rome
[23:24:33] <Jacky^> :)
[23:24:34] <anna_emc> wowwwwww
[23:24:39] <alex_joni> bosone: really? I was there last week :D
[23:24:41] <anna_emc> roma'
[23:24:54] <robin_sz> bosone: for drilling PCB, Mach2 will accept excellon drill files directly
[23:24:54] <bosone> yes, i'm from rome
[23:25:07] <robin_sz> bosone: Eagle will produce excellon files too
[23:25:18] <alex_joni> yeah, and emc will accept files from eagle (g-code that is :)
[23:25:31] <robin_sz> will it? coo.
[23:25:36] <robin_sz> didnt know that
[23:25:49] <alex_joni> that's what cradek uses
[23:25:59] <robin_sz> yeah, but he has a special magic add-on
[23:26:05] <bosone> ok, i use orcad at now, excellon , gerber & dxf
[23:26:09] <alex_joni> yeah.. a magic wand
[23:26:26] <alex_joni> tip it twice on the screen.. presto
[23:26:27] <robin_sz> I presume its an eagle ULP he uses to make the gcode
[23:26:33] <alex_joni> right
[23:26:40] <alex_joni> available at unpy.net
[23:26:48] <robin_sz> so ... yeah cradeks stuff is what you want
[23:27:13] <robin_sz> and a wand
[23:27:30] <robin_sz> with/without a star on the end. either will work :)
[23:27:32] <alex_joni> a big wand
[23:27:39] <alex_joni> like a baseball bat
[23:27:53] <robin_sz> well, thats what I said to this girl once ...
[23:28:02] <alex_joni> robin_sz: don't go there
[23:28:10] <alex_joni> we have female company
[23:28:11] <bosone> cradeks?, thaks robin
[23:28:19] <alex_joni> ROFL
[23:28:29] <robin_sz> alex_joni: you mean Jymmm?
[23:28:43] <alex_joni> no, he's not around
[23:28:46] <alex_joni> but sure feels like that
[23:29:09] <robin_sz> shame, I was going to tease him about his machine ;)
[23:32:07] <_AchiestDragon> _AchiestDragon is now known as AchiestDragon
[23:33:04] <alex_joni> robin_sz: wanna hear smthg nice?
[23:33:52] <robin_sz> go on
[23:34:02] <alex_joni> 10:16:36 <xet7> But now I've re-installed BDI after that
[23:34:02] <alex_joni> 10:39:50 <xet7> I'm going through http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Install , and when I run ./configure, I get: configure: error: cannot find sources (src/emc/motion/emcmot.h) in . or ..
[23:34:02] <alex_joni> 10:39:54 <xet7> What's wrong?
[23:34:02] <alex_joni> 10:44:40 <xet7> Hmm, ok, problem was that I should download emc2 instead of bdi-4 branch, when I figure out
[23:34:02] <alex_joni> 10:50:04 <xet7> What's the name for emc2 branch?
[23:34:04] <alex_joni> 10:51:52 <xet7> ok found it on wiki
[23:34:22] <Jacky^> hey guys.. anna_emc is an hacker..
[23:34:40] <Jacky^> shes intersted in build a machine lie this: http://www.casacci.it/PR600.htm
[23:34:49] <alex_joni> aren't we all?
[23:34:59] <robin_sz> tee hee
[23:35:03] <Jacky^> can we help anna_emc ?
[23:35:09] <Jacky^> :)
[23:35:16] <robin_sz> you know ... some of those machines are amazing
[23:35:24] <alex_joni> yeah :)
[23:35:30] <robin_sz> just buy one
[23:35:41] <Jacky^> robin_sz: too simple ..
[23:35:43] <Jacky^> :\
[23:35:54] <robin_sz> but thats the way to make yourself rich
[23:36:09] <Jacky^> mmh ..
[23:36:13] <Jacky^> :)
[23:36:15] <robin_sz> sometimes, its better to just invest money, ratehr than time
[23:36:29] <robin_sz> you can borrow money from a bank ...
[23:36:40] <robin_sz> I don't know where you can borrow time from
[23:37:05] <Jacky^> anna_emc: is e.3000 under.. in a bank
[23:37:11] <Jacky^> :(��
[23:37:17] <robin_sz> that all?
[23:37:31] <robin_sz> 3000 under, you have a problem ...
[23:37:41] <Jacky^> its not enough ?
[23:37:43] <robin_sz> 30,000 under .. the bank has a problem :)
[23:37:51] <Jacky^> hahah
[23:38:16] <robin_sz> so ... 3 old ladies in a hospital ...
[23:38:24] <alex_joni> how about 300k ?
[23:38:38] <robin_sz> going a bit mad ... the doctor decides to make a test, for their sanity
[23:38:50] <robin_sz> he asks them "what is 3 x 3?" ...
[23:39:00] <robin_sz> the first one thinks and says "246?"
[23:39:04] <robin_sz> no .. wrong ...
[23:39:16] <robin_sz> the second one says "Tuesday?"
[23:39:20] <robin_sz> no .. worng ...
[23:39:30] <robin_sz> finally the thrid one says "nine?"
[23:39:41] <robin_sz> right .. and how did you know that?
[23:39:57] <robin_sz> "well, I just did 246 - Tuesday" /...
[23:40:06] <Jacky^> lol
[23:41:36] <bosone> robin_sz: great ;)
[23:45:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[23:45:33] <alex_joni> night guys
[23:45:37] <alex_joni> & girls
[23:45:42] <Jacky^> bosone: got some pictures of yours machine ?
[23:45:50] <Jacky^> G night alex_joni
[23:50:34] <bosone> yes Jaky^ !
[23:50:52] <Jacky^> ah :) go a link ?
[23:50:55] <Jacky^> got*
[23:52:47] <bosone> give to me 10 minutes
[23:53:13] <Jacky^> all time you need :)