#emc | Logs for 2005-09-05

[00:16:47] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[00:16:52] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[00:18:00] <paul_c> so how did my beta-tester get on with the latest beer mat ?
[00:21:04] <Jacky^> paul_c: is it possible to add an encoder on a dual shaft stepper ?
[00:21:29] <robin_sz> yes
[00:21:47] <Jacky^> emc can check the steps ?
[00:21:57] <robin_sz> not as far as I know
[00:22:10] <paul_c> With the correct card, Yes.
[00:22:27] <Jacky^> paul_c: which card ? parposrt ?
[00:22:33] <paul_c> smdromod is a stepper output & encoder input driver.
[00:22:35] <Jacky^> parport* ?
[00:23:08] <paul_c> http://www.timgoldstein.com/kulagadro/dro.html
[00:23:55] <paul_c> JMK has been doing some HAL modules that read encoders via the parport, dunno how well the work...
[00:24:17] <Jacky^> cool :)
[00:25:04] <robin_sz> and what can emc do if it detects dropped steps?
[00:25:19] <Jacky^> estop !
[00:25:25] <Jacky^> at least ..
[00:25:43] <Jacky^> don't damage the piece
[00:25:55] <paul_c> then there are a couple of low cost FPGA card that could be used, subject to the API being open.
[00:25:57] <Jacky^> and job can restarted
[00:26:54] <robin_sz> i suspect estopping is about the only option
[00:27:00] <paul_c> If lost steps are detected, EMC will try to correct for them, and when the following error is exceeded, it will go in to e-stop.
[00:27:28] <Jacky^> this could be nice
[00:27:37] <Jymmm> paul_c: rebuilding two machines.
[00:28:05] <paul_c> could modify the calcs so that e-stop is triggered above x number of missed steps.
[00:28:29] <paul_c> Jymmm: Did you try the bare i810 box again ?
[00:30:27] <robin_sz> thats the trouble with steppers ... once they start to miss steps, its usually because they are stalled, they tend to miss handfuls
[00:31:41] <Jacky^> robin i likse servos, just for encoders..
[00:32:14] <robin_sz> servos even if "stalled" and accumulating following errors, still produce torque ...
[00:32:38] <Jacky^> right now i aws thinkig ,
[00:32:41] <robin_sz> as the following error increases the drive increases until the amplifier clips
[00:33:06] <robin_sz> steppers just lose torque as they go beyond 180 of a step
[00:33:10] <robin_sz> in lag
[00:34:16] <robin_sz> so it tends to lose a bunch ...
[00:35:23] <Jacky^> in my gcode programs, nomally, X-Z are working a lot, Y axis instead is stopped in a position and turn only 3/10 of mm anytime X passed
[00:35:57] <Jacky^> for stepper could be a normal to stay in locked position
[00:36:01] <robin_sz> 0.3mm?
[00:36:09] <robin_sz> thats .. mm, small
[00:36:12] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:36:15] <robin_sz> ball nosed cutter?
[00:36:21] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:36:28] <robin_sz> diameter?
[00:36:31] <Jacky^> 3D relief
[00:36:37] <Jacky^> 3 mm bit
[00:37:23] <robin_sz> hmmm
[00:37:27] <robin_sz> in steel?
[00:37:41] <Jacky^> wood ..
[00:37:48] <robin_sz> errm.
[00:37:55] <robin_sz> 0.3mm in wood?
[00:38:00] <Jacky^> yeah
[00:38:07] <robin_sz> sounds incorrect to me ...
[00:38:14] <Jacky^> i think is called, stepover ..
[00:38:18] <robin_sz> yes
[00:38:47] <robin_sz> must be for very detailed carving
[00:38:55] <Jacky^> I know, I can use bigger stepover
[00:39:09] <Jacky^> yeah, high details..
[00:40:29] <robin_sz> interesting to see how emc with enocoder feedback on stepeprs works out
[00:40:55] <robin_sz> I suspect its not used very often, so probably need a little tweaking
[00:41:46] <Jacky^> I think could be useful
[00:41:52] <robin_sz> mmmm ...
[00:41:55] <robin_sz> maybe
[00:42:09] <robin_sz> it will actually do the worng thing until it estops
[00:42:33] <Jacky^> probably..
[00:42:34] <robin_sz> say it has tried to go too fast and hard and lost a step
[00:42:54] <robin_sz> you really need to slow everything down, get a bit mor torque from lower speeds
[00:43:12] <robin_sz> emc will probably try and speed up the axis with the problem ...
[00:43:24] <robin_sz> almost guaranteeing the motor stalls
[00:44:07] <robin_sz> it will at least estop though
[00:44:42] <Jacky^> at least
[00:45:11] <robin_sz> sounds like you need servos to me
[00:45:22] <Jacky^> what if a servo remain for long time lockecd in a position ?
[00:45:28] <Jacky^> do not suffer ?
[00:45:31] <robin_sz> yeah, what if?
[00:45:46] <robin_sz> it will not be under any load, will be OK
[00:46:10] <robin_sz> seros do suffer if asked to hold a constant static load that is high
[00:46:12] <Jacky^> it seem to me a strange contidion ..
[00:46:38] <Jacky^> where for stepper its probably normal
[00:46:45] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:47:05] <robin_sz> steppers are happy with a stopped constant load
[00:47:11] <robin_sz> serovs can get hot
[00:47:40] <robin_sz> in your application they will be fine I think
[00:48:32] <Jacky^> I agree with you
[00:48:52] <Jacky^> i will take some day more to think about
[00:50:22] <robin_sz> seros are nicer than steppers for some things
[00:51:04] <robin_sz> steppers can work nicely, but you have to feed them ery smooth steps
[00:51:54] <Jacky^> this probably mean microstep driving ..
[00:52:02] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:52:15] <Jacky^> i'm thinking to buy geckodrives
[00:52:21] <robin_sz> well ...
[00:53:04] <robin_sz> with EMC?
[00:53:44] <robin_sz> i recommend you get the one with the pulse multiplier
[00:54:00] <Jacky^> G201 ?
[00:54:11] <Jacky^> for steppers..
[00:54:18] <robin_sz> G210 or the no not 201
[00:54:23] <robin_sz> not 210
[00:54:28] <robin_sz> arse .. cant type
[00:54:35] <robin_sz> NOT the 201
[00:54:56] <robin_sz> not useful with EMC in my opinion
[00:55:09] <robin_sz> get the one with the pulse multiplier board
[00:55:28] <robin_sz> 210 or the new version
[00:55:59] <Jacky^> well
[00:57:04] <Jacky^> thanks, i've all irc logs saved, so a can read again in the next days :)
[00:57:28] <Jacky^> now I need to decide between steppers-servos
[01:00:50] <Jacky^> Yuga: :P
[01:01:09] <Jacky^> how proceed the speakers construction there ?
[01:01:23] <robin_sz> hes building speakers?
[01:01:34] <Jacky^> box, i think ..
[01:01:40] <robin_sz> right
[01:01:48] <robin_sz> good use for a CNC router ;)
[01:02:00] <robin_sz> I have a friend who makes speakers that way ...
[01:02:11] <Jacky^> with a 3D front relief :P
[01:02:19] <robin_sz> about 400 sets a month :)
[01:02:34] <robin_sz> he makes his own speakers too
[01:02:41] <Jacky^> nice
[01:02:49] <robin_sz> making the magnets is fun
[01:02:55] <Jacky^> the problem is the wood ..
[01:03:02] <robin_sz> is it?
[01:03:07] <Jacky^> few types are ok ..
[01:03:16] <robin_sz> true
[01:03:19] <Jacky^> mdf seem to be the best
[01:03:23] <robin_sz> depends what you want to do
[01:03:29] <robin_sz> MDF is very dead
[01:03:42] <Jacky^> yeah, good for resonance
[01:03:46] <Jacky^> acoustic
[01:04:15] <Jacky^> otherwise, some good wood quality can be used
[01:04:27] <Jacky^> but it's hard to find it ..
[01:04:30] <robin_sz> well, proper plywood
[01:04:37] <Jacky^> maybe plywood
[01:04:40] <Jacky^> :)
[01:04:43] <robin_sz> the type with many fine layers
[01:04:57] <Jacky^> yeah
[01:05:25] <robin_sz> I copied the ATC and PMC speakers we had at work :)
[01:05:38] <Jacky^> cool
[01:05:41] <robin_sz> they both use MDF
[01:06:03] <robin_sz> my current speakers are copies of Rogers LS 5/8A
[01:06:27] <Jacky^> nice :)
[01:06:40] <robin_sz> bi-amped of course
[01:06:51] <Jacky^> i've an homebuild amplifier, class A - mosfet
[01:07:06] <Jacky^> 100 W 8 ohm
[01:07:26] <robin_sz> i copied some Quad 405s
[01:07:26] <Jacky^> maybe one day .. i will build the box-speakers for it :P
[01:07:45] <Jacky^> i remember NAD amplifier ..
[01:07:53] <Jacky^> low price, great sound
[01:07:55] <robin_sz> yeah .. nasty :)
[01:08:03] <robin_sz> sounds was not that great
[01:08:18] <robin_sz> http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/
[01:08:39] <robin_sz> all materials. kits, designs etc
[01:08:53] <Jacky^> cool
[01:09:54] <Jacky^> robin_sz: wich music you listen ?
[01:10:03] <Jacky^> classic ?
[01:10:10] <robin_sz> nah
[01:10:42] <Jacky^> I like jazz-fusion
[01:11:03] <Jacky^> Path meteny, Pat coil
[01:11:21] <AchiestDragon> last time i looked they reconed that injection molded concreate was the best matireial to make speeker boxes from
[01:11:27] <robin_sz> I play guitar, if I get really drunk and adjust all the tunings ...
[01:11:33] <robin_sz> then it coems out like jazz fusion
[01:11:39] <Jacky^> sheffield lab, usually have great sound
[01:11:54] <Jacky^> i've 30-35 CD
[01:12:06] <robin_sz> of jazz fusion?
[01:12:24] <Jacky^> yeah..
[01:12:38] <robin_sz> you should try giving some to your friends as a joke ..
[01:12:49] <robin_sz> they will play them and tink there is a problem with their CD player
[01:12:51] <Jacky^> i like some cd of billy cobham, to test speakers :)
[01:13:06] <Jacky^> great drummer
[01:13:16] <robin_sz> I have a BBC test CD somewhere
[01:13:31] <robin_sz> ahh .. you mean great *jazz* drummer
[01:13:50] <robin_sz> that is different
[01:13:57] <Jacky^> yeah
[01:14:05] <robin_sz> like normal drummer, but just random
[01:14:15] <Jacky^> he's only that can understand what he play..
[01:14:32] <robin_sz> now, there I agree with you
[01:14:42] <Jacky^> hehe
[01:20:41] <Jacky^> robin_sz: this is a great cd: http://www.cannonball-adderley.com/515.htm
[01:24:29] <robin_sz> is it jazz?
[01:24:53] <Jacky^> of course
[01:24:59] <robin_sz> mmm ...
[01:25:06] <Jacky^> :)
[01:25:09] <robin_sz> can I just have a blank CD insted?
[01:25:18] <Jacky^> hehe
[01:25:31] <robin_sz> I like Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Rush ...
[01:25:42] <Jacky^> ah well ..
[01:25:48] <Jacky^> hard metal ? :P
[01:25:51] <robin_sz> Ozzy Osbourne, the Darkenss
[01:25:57] <robin_sz> Darkness
[01:26:00] <Jacky^> I like led too
[01:26:13] <Jacky^> motley crue ?
[01:26:22] <robin_sz> a bit ...
[01:26:44] <robin_sz> saw them playing support to Motorhead once
[01:27:00] <robin_sz> mmm .. I think
[01:27:06] <robin_sz> it was a LONG time ago
[01:27:23] <Jacky^> i've something by gun's roses, bon jovi ..
[01:27:32] <Jacky^> not so hard
[01:27:45] <robin_sz> is alex joni around these dyas?/
[01:27:45] <Jacky^> ah !
[01:27:57] <Jacky^> not seen
[01:27:59] <robin_sz> I saw some robotic welding fixtures he might be interested in
[01:29:16] <Jacky^> robin i you like hard rock you need to see G3 live in Denver
[01:30:06] <Jacky^> malmesteen+steve vai+joe satriani
[01:30:29] <Jacky^> if you like guitar
[01:32:47] <robin_sz> Steve Vai's "Fire Garden" is a good album
[01:32:55] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[01:33:17] <robin_sz> I'll be interested to see how your steppers with encoders work out
[01:33:43] <Jacky^> i'm sending an email to ask about shipping from us ..
[01:33:58] <Jacky^> if i buy steppers i will try !
[01:34:15] <Jacky^> i will tell you ..
[01:34:15] <robin_sz> the encoders on the G200X work the other way, as the stepper begins to lag, it slow all axes down to help reduce the load
[01:34:27] <robin_sz> but I dont thnk it will work
[01:34:55] <Jacky^> no clue ..
[01:35:15] <Jacky^> i can only try from myself
[01:35:27] <robin_sz> I thhnk it is possible to get electrical interference and it gets extra counts,
[01:35:38] <robin_sz> then it thinks there is stepper lag
[01:35:46] <robin_sz> then it slows everyting down ...
[01:35:57] <Jacky^> understood ..
[01:36:17] <robin_sz> emc just estoppign might be better
[01:36:50] <Jacky^> lets see how the module work ..
[01:37:06] <robin_sz> I just have some nice solid state relays from ebay
[01:37:11] <robin_sz> 25A 3 pahse
[01:37:13] <Jacky^> could be interesting also to have a logs files
[01:37:24] <robin_sz> to control the heaters on my powder coat oven
[01:38:05] <Jacky^> 25 Amp ? great ..
[01:38:52] <robin_sz> new for 4.99 each :)
[01:39:06] <Jacky^> cool :P
[01:39:16] <Jacky^> ebay its great
[01:39:24] <Jacky^> sometime..
[01:39:29] <Jacky^> :(
[01:40:24] <robin_sz> ahh ... my children have poured water into my Ducati ...
[01:40:51] <Jacky^> water ? ouch ..
[01:48:09] <Jacky^> i had a week from hell here
[01:48:50] <Jacky^> i repared one driver and the other was going to burn
[01:49:31] <Jacky^> changing an l297 in one driver, l298 was burning in another
[01:49:33] <Jacky^> lol
[01:49:37] <Jacky^> :\
[01:49:37] <robin_sz> wow
[01:49:48] <robin_sz> you have the correct 6 diodes?
[01:49:54] <Jacky^> probably bad ground ..
[01:50:10] <robin_sz> 8 diodes
[01:50:27] <Jacky^> diodes seem are ok
[01:50:37] <robin_sz> are they the right sort?
[01:50:38] <Jacky^> i checked with hometer
[01:50:52] <Jacky^> no, theyre ook
[01:51:09] <Jacky^> i'm sure its the ground ..
[01:51:10] <robin_sz> are they the correct type?
[01:51:14] <Jacky^> some gnd
[01:51:32] <Jacky^> it was working mounted in a simply table of wood
[01:51:44] <Jacky^> after i placed it in a case of pc ..
[01:51:49] <robin_sz> no heatsink?
[01:51:56] <Jacky^> any 10 min an ic burn
[01:52:09] <Jacky^> yeah.. heatsink + fan !
[01:52:11] <Jacky^> :(
[01:52:16] <robin_sz> hmmm ...
[01:52:36] <robin_sz> and you are 100% sure the diodes are the correct type?
[01:52:46] <Jacky^> i changed 6-7 l298 and 4 l297 in the latest 2 days
[01:52:54] <robin_sz> wow ...
[01:53:00] <Jacky^> sigh ..
[01:53:10] <Jacky^> i bought a stock ..
[01:53:22] <robin_sz> cheaper to buy some geckodrives
[01:53:29] <Jacky^> 15 for 20 E
[01:53:40] <Jacky^> but are finished
[01:53:44] <Jacky^> lol
[01:53:53] <robin_sz> so ... what type of diodes you have?
[01:54:07] <Jacky^> just a min.
[01:54:50] <Jacky^> BYW96E
[01:55:13] <Jacky^> probably, are not optimal
[01:55:19] <robin_sz> OK, that is fine
[01:55:38] <robin_sz> I have seen people try and use 1N4XXX series
[01:55:42] <robin_sz> which are not fine
[01:55:49] <Jacky^> nah .. i know
[01:56:01] <Jacky^> i searched for some speed diode
[01:56:05] <robin_sz> BYW81 or 96 are fine
[01:56:55] <Jacky^> yeah
[01:57:22] <robin_sz> OK, well I must go to bed
[01:57:27] <Jacky^> i'm too
[01:57:28] <robin_sz> have a nice evening
[01:57:34] <Jacky^> G night
[11:29:00] <Jacky^> morning
[13:19:28] <AchiestDragon> hi
[13:21:56] <AchiestDragon> :) just found out an interesting way to do 3d surfaces ,, using blender draw the object , export it in dfx format , load it into autocad and scale it , then save it in a dfx format that my cnc program will read
[13:22:08] <AchiestDragon> seems a long way arround though
[14:43:37] <gezr> howdy
[14:52:10] <gezr> argh more net problems
[17:56:27] <Jymmm> les
[17:57:04] <ValarQ> los
[17:57:20] <Jymmm> No Les as in Les Watts.
[17:57:28] <ValarQ> ah, ok
[18:03:51] <paul_c> Hi Martzis
[18:04:07] <Martzis> Hi Paul
[18:04:30] <Martzis> The USC board is workin, I think
[18:04:37] <paul_c> just logged in and was about to have a poke around...
[18:05:06] <Martzis> You can test it freely
[18:05:23] <paul_c> Try changing HOMING_POLARITY to 0 to get homing to move the other direction.
[18:05:37] <Martzis> ok
[18:06:20] <Martzis> I think I understand what is the problem
[18:06:39] <Martzis> I do not have home senson connected
[18:06:54] <Martzis> And therefore EMC thinks that it is away from home
[18:07:08] <paul_c> Ah.. In that case...
[18:07:38] <paul_c> invert polarity of HOME_SWITCH_POLARITY
[18:09:29] <Martzis> That will solve the problem. If I have time I will test the board with stepper drivers tomorrow
[18:09:46] <Martzis> Btw. what is new in BDI-4.24
[18:10:08] <paul_c> Some bug fixes in EMC with 4.25
[18:10:41] <cradek> does AXIS work right?
[18:10:51] <Martzis> What is the easiest way to get the updates if I have BDI-4.23 installed
[18:11:09] <Martzis> I have not yet tested. I can test it right away
[18:11:15] <paul_c> burn a copy of the latest CD
[18:11:33] <Martzis> Ok
[18:11:56] <paul_c> insert it in to the drive of the BDI-4.23 install, and type the following line..
[18:12:03] <paul_c> apt-cdrom add
[18:12:30] <paul_c> then you can use synaptic to select packages to upgrade.
[18:12:43] <Martzis> ok
[18:12:48] <Martzis> i will do that
[18:13:05] <paul_c> tcl8.4, tk8.4 & emc should be at the top of the list.
[18:14:01] <paul_c> and don't forget to upgrade emc-modules at the same time.
[18:15:28] <Martzis> AXIS seems to work also
[18:15:41] <cradek> yay
[18:21:18] <Martzis> Paul, do you want to yse my machine or can I shut it down?
[18:21:39] <Martzis> yse->use
[18:24:49] <paul_c> Can you do ma a favour when you have it up and running...
[18:24:59] <paul_c> /ma/me/
[18:25:53] <Martzis> What do you need?
[18:25:56] <paul_c> Can you post a copy of your ini file to the user's list and include the tail end of dmesg
[18:26:32] <Martzis> I can do that
[18:26:43] <paul_c> from where adeos reports loaded throught o where it unloads again.
[18:27:30] <Martzis> I will do it
[18:27:39] <paul_c> There is an interesting bit in there where ppmc_rate reports finding a USC during shut down that I want Jon to look at - Might be a bug.
[18:28:11] <Martzis> Ok. It would be nice to get it corrected.
[18:29:42] <paul_c> I'm out.
[18:30:59] <paul_c> Do your motors move when you jog now ?
[18:32:26] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[18:32:26] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[18:35:49] <anonimasu> evening
[18:36:03] <Martzis> Ok. I will send the ini and the dmesg tomorrow to the list. And I will try with the board with real motors, not only with oscilloscope. But now I have to go before my girlfriend get angry.
[18:36:57] <anonimasu> what's the trouble with the usc?
[18:37:38] <paul_c> It would appear to be working with BDI-4.23 (and later) now.
[18:37:46] <paul_c> * paul_c -> Tea.
[18:37:48] <anonimasu> still what is the trouble?
[18:37:57] <Jymmm> * Jymmm spikes paul_c's tea
[18:38:07] <anonimasu> paul_c: as I have a usc I am curious :)
[18:39:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is making tea now
[18:50:06] <anonimasu> hm somone is trying to sell me io23.com
[18:50:07] <anonimasu> :D
[18:50:09] <anonimasu> joy!
[18:52:12] <anonimasu> like I'd care :D
[18:55:14] <Jymmm> io32 or io256 might be cool
[19:03:32] <anonimasu> heh
[19:03:40] <anonimasu> actually I own io23.net
[19:03:53] <Jymmm> anonimasu: tell em $0.25
[19:03:57] <anonimasu> 80$
[19:04:04] <anonimasu> was their bid...
[19:04:25] <Jymmm> anonimasu counter offer $40, most will take it especially if they're soliciting
[19:04:35] <anonimasu> I dont want it :)
[19:04:44] <anonimasu> besides it's not registered ;)
[19:04:48] <Jymmm> you know you do =)
[19:04:53] <Jymmm> oh, lol
[19:04:54] <anonimasu> seriously no.
[19:04:56] <anonimasu> :D
[19:05:41] <anonimasu> I am writing some stuff to a guy living in lule� that had some cnc questions on cnczone
[19:12:03] <anonimasu> 100km away..
[19:12:40] <LawrenceG> long fingers are required
[19:13:45] <LawrenceG> I am playing with Chris's ttt true type to gcode program
[19:14:42] <LawrenceG> it is not quite drawing the splines correctly... I am trying to figure out the ttf font descriptions
[19:16:28] <Jymmm> font descriptions?
[19:16:47] <Jymmm> try singl stroke fonts
[19:17:24] <Jymmm> paul_c you back?
[19:19:19] <LawrenceG> Hi Jymmm
[19:22:13] <cradek> hello
[19:22:23] <cradek> LawrenceG: what kind of problem are you seeing?
[19:24:22] <LawrenceG> hi Chris
[19:24:27] <cradek> hi
[19:25:21] <LawrenceG> well... I am looking at a capital G and it has big chunks on the front edge
[19:25:42] <cradek> have you tried more than one font?
[19:25:50] <cradek> maybe you should send me your font
[19:26:05] <LawrenceG> It is the same one you used as the defaut
[19:26:25] <LawrenceG> I'll try and get a screen shot
[19:26:30] <cradek> let me build ttt 1.1
[19:27:58] <LawrenceG> can I send you a file?
[19:28:04] <cradek> sure
[19:28:09] <cradek> I just tried it here, and it seems to work
[19:28:14] <Jymmm> hi LawrenceG
[19:28:52] <anonimasu> hm
[19:29:00] <anonimasu> how much steel can you cut per minute at 600w spindle?
[19:31:49] <LawrenceG> hi chris... I got your png... still waiting for you to accept my file
[19:31:50] <Jymmm> this much --> <---
[19:32:02] <cradek> I didn't get a request
[19:32:41] <LawrenceG> I'll try again... sending
[19:32:59] <cradek> nope, nothing
[19:33:23] <cradek> can you put it in webspace somewhere?
[19:33:24] <LawrenceG> rats... getting >> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[19:33:34] <cradek> ha
[19:33:43] <steves_logging> new Freenode requirement, you must register to send private messages
[19:33:53] <cradek> well that bites
[19:33:57] <LawrenceG> I thought I was registered
[19:34:16] <cradek> try it again - I "set unfiltered on"
[19:34:16] <Jymmm> cradek prevents spambots.
[19:34:51] <LawrenceG> offer sent
[19:35:59] <cradek> I got the request, but no file comes when I /dcc get
[19:36:07] <cradek> must be a second problem
[19:36:20] <LawrenceG> hmm... must be my router blocking it
[19:36:32] <cradek> yeah, I dcc all the time
[19:36:44] <LawrenceG> are you on skype?
[19:36:47] <cradek> no
[19:36:51] <LawrenceG> msn?
[19:36:55] <cradek> no
[19:37:04] <LawrenceG> gmail?
[19:37:14] <cradek> umm I think so
[19:37:24] <LawrenceG> I can email it
[19:37:26] <cradek> cradek@gmail.com
[19:37:41] <cradek> let's see if I know my password
[19:38:00] <Jymmm> cradek: for $5 I'll give it to you
[19:38:36] <cradek> hey, wonders never cease
[19:39:43] <anonimasu> hm
[19:39:52] <anonimasu> I cant remember how to calc it..
[19:39:55] <anonimasu> damn
[19:40:17] <LawrenceG> Chris ...email is away
[19:41:23] <cradek> is this ttt 1.1?
[19:41:57] <LawrenceG> ttt_1.1.tar.gz from yesterday
[19:42:09] <cradek> maybe qcad doesn't read polylines correctly
[19:42:36] <cradek> you're not using it to generate the gcode are you?
[19:42:59] <LawrenceG> I thought of that, but the rendering on emc via gcode looks the same as qcad
[19:43:17] <cradek> so for the gcode you use ttt, not ttt_dxf and then convert?
[19:43:56] <cradek> what is the exact string you rendered? Is it just G?
[19:44:17] <LawrenceG> yes... ttt generates a broken G, ttt_dxf generates a broken dxf.... yes a G and nothing else
[19:44:31] <LawrenceG> it broke in the middle of a string as well
[19:44:42] <cradek> run ./ttt G >G.ngc and md5sum your output
[19:44:56] <LawrenceG> The G was the worst, but w,e,r are also quite funky
[19:45:01] <cradek> [chris@max ttt]$ ./ttt G >G.ngc
[19:45:02] <cradek> [chris@max ttt]$ md5sum G.ngc
[19:45:02] <cradek> 8a917cc04385a62b6f4de69216c36943 G.ngc
[19:45:16] <cradek> just G also works perfectly here
[19:46:01] <anonimasu> hm it seems rutex has nice servodrives nowdays
[19:46:03] <LawrenceG> hmmm
[19:46:27] <anonimasu> r2010
[19:46:45] <anonimasu> 100v20a
[19:46:47] <LawrenceG> chris...did you get my email?
[19:47:05] <anonimasu> 2kw..
[19:47:07] <cradek> LawrenceG: the first one? yes
[19:48:14] <cradek> LawrenceG: also what does freetype-config --version say?
[19:48:29] <LawrenceG> chris... It looks like an off by one problem
[19:49:06] <cradek> no, that could not explain why we have different output
[19:49:16] <LawrenceG> 9.5.3
[19:49:22] <cradek> 9.2.3 here
[19:49:33] <cradek> I wonder if they changed something in the API
[19:51:06] <paul_c> * paul_c returns stuffed.
[19:51:25] <LawrenceG> I was reading the docs last night trying to figure it out.... the only thing I changed in the source was the path to the font... under ubuntu it is slightly different
[19:52:06] <cradek> md5sum your ttf file please
[19:52:16] <LawrenceG> ok
[19:52:26] <cradek> 6d2bd425ff00a79dd02e4c95f689861b /usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/timesbi.ttf
[19:53:07] <LawrenceG> 6d2bd425ff00a79dd02e4c95f689861b /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/timesbi.ttf
[19:53:16] <LawrenceG> looks gud
[19:53:22] <cradek> ok, that's sort-of reassuring
[19:53:46] <cradek> how much trouble is it to downgrade your freetype2 lib?
[19:53:58] <LawrenceG> I wonder if it is a complier bug?
[19:54:13] <cradek> gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)
[19:54:26] <LawrenceG> gcc --version
[19:54:31] <LawrenceG> opps
[19:54:38] <cradek> maybe you should try with -O0
[19:54:47] <LawrenceG> gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[19:55:10] <robin_sz> meep?
[19:55:11] <cradek> it's just for loops - hard to imagine that would be broken
[19:55:51] <cradek> LawrenceG: I suspect libfreetype breakage or API changes
[19:56:02] <LawrenceG> let my try a rebuild
[20:00:10] <anonimasu> hm, I wonde if I scared the guy :D
[20:01:32] <anonimasu> well better know what inertia does before he puts togther a machine supposed to go fast without a thought about it :D
[20:01:40] <anonimasu> <- been there done that.
[20:01:43] <LawrenceG> Chris... where did you get clues on how to unpack a glyph? The code is buried in fontforge, but I havent found it yet
[20:01:58] <robin_sz> in other news ... my compressor just crapped itself
[20:02:07] <cradek> LawrenceG: unfortunately I don't remember
[20:02:19] <cradek> LawrenceG: it was on the web somewhere
[20:02:47] <cradek> LawrenceG: I thought I had written the simplest and easiest self-documenting code possible to do it!
[20:02:47] <robin_sz> instead of going "whirrrr" it went "whirrr-BANG" and popped a 63A breaker .. I see this as a bad thing.
[20:02:59] <LawrenceG> the interface looks ok, I compared the api calls with the docs on the net
[20:03:14] <cradek> LawrenceG: your rebuild with -O0 didn't fix it?
[20:03:32] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[20:03:34] <anonimasu> damn nickserv
[20:03:39] <anonimasu> forgetting my password
[20:03:42] <LawrenceG> no.. looks the same.... let me do some more digging
[20:04:11] <cradek> maybe you should check the libfreetype2 changelogs
[20:04:17] <cradek> something obviously changed
[20:04:18] <LawrenceG> once I figure out how to unpack a glyph, it should be easy to see where the problem is
[20:04:31] <cradek> but ... there is no problem
[20:04:49] <LawrenceG> I know... send me your ttt executable
[20:04:50] <cradek> the code is right for ft 9.2.3
[20:05:05] <LawrenceG> maybe it will run
[20:05:07] <anonimasu> well kiosk time
[20:05:19] <cradek> nah, it's dynamically linked
[20:05:25] <cradek> let me see if I can make a static one
[20:05:53] <LawrenceG> you can send both... that will determine if its libs or code gen
[20:07:36] <anonimasu> hm, I am going to ask some staffer to drop my nick
[20:07:39] <anonimasu> so I can register it again
[20:07:39] <Jymmm> or operatoe
[20:07:51] <Jymmm> anonimasu why do you have to reregister?
[20:08:26] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I cant remember my password..
[20:08:27] <LawrenceG> Chris.. unpacking
[20:08:40] <anonimasu> or well, nickserv cant.
[20:08:40] <anonimasu> :D
[20:08:51] <cradek> doubt my dyn bin will run - your system is much newer than mine
[20:09:20] <robin_sz> anonimasu: but wont the real anonimasu get upset when you get his pw?
[20:09:45] <anonimasu> robin_sz: no, because the real anonimasu is me..
[20:09:52] <robin_sz> anonimasu: are you sure?
[20:10:00] <anonimasu> Last Seen Address: ~an0n@
[20:10:02] <anonimasu> YES,
[20:10:19] <anonimasu> is work ;)
[20:10:21] <robin_sz> anonimasu: i mean, if you were the real anonimasu, you'd know the password ...
[20:10:50] <anonimasu> 22:00 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 14 weeks 6 days (13h 15m 50s) ago
[20:10:54] <anonimasu> 22:00 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 14 weeks 6 days (4h 39m 22s) ago
[20:11:20] <LawrenceG> chris... is that ttt or ttt_dxf?
[20:11:34] <cradek> ttt
[20:11:36] <LawrenceG> k
[20:12:27] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:12:30] <LawrenceG> rats forgot about differnt font paths
[20:12:52] <cradek> ./ttt.static [-?] [-f /some/file.ttf] 'The Text'
[20:12:58] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I am afraid I dont know the password..
[20:14:15] <robin_sz> anonimasu: actually, im the real anonimasu, and like you, I don't know the password either .. lets get the staffers to drop the nick, and see whos nick-bot can set a password on it first ;)
[20:14:37] <LawrenceG> chris... will take a few minutes to beam them to emc machine and plot them
[20:14:48] <cradek> ok
[20:14:50] <cradek> they both ran?
[20:14:51] <anonimasu> robin_sz: oh, do you have access to the server at my job :D
[20:14:54] <LawrenceG> both versions appeared to run
[20:15:06] <cradek> I'm surprised but that will give us very good troubleshooting information
[20:15:09] <anonimasu> it looks more credible when the request comes from the same machine..
[20:15:10] <robin_sz> anonimasu: not yet ... ;)
[20:15:33] <anonimasu> lol
[20:15:46] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I'll probably come to uk in a bit..
[20:15:47] <LawrenceG> chris... one is 8.2k and one is 8.7k
[20:15:56] <cradek> aha
[20:16:02] <robin_sz> * robin_sz fires up nessus in 'dangerous' mode
[20:16:03] <anonimasu> watch out or I'll come to slap you while I am there :D
[20:16:13] <robin_sz> * robin_sz bares his buttocks
[20:16:39] <robin_sz> actually, my sister just left for Norway
[20:16:48] <robin_sz> I'll wave when i visit her next
[20:17:24] <robin_sz> anyway, never mind all that. fix my compressor!
[20:17:48] <anonimasu> robin_sz: did you find any hole :D
[20:18:04] <robin_sz> nah ... its gone pop and is blowing the 63A breaker
[20:18:15] <robin_sz> motor has "an issue"
[20:18:36] <cradek> maybe you just need a bigger breaker
[20:18:59] <robin_sz> for a 5kw machine?
[20:19:12] <robin_sz> sigh
[20:19:14] <cradek> (kidding, of course)
[20:19:25] <cradek> I always say that first when a fuse or breaker blows
[20:19:31] <robin_sz> :)
[20:19:31] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:19:45] <robin_sz> we had a problem once with the 100A incoming fuse ...
[20:19:47] <anonimasu> robin_sz: might be joining with the racecar team for work..
[20:19:53] <LawrenceG> chris... dynamic links one is broken.... static one works! getting picture
[20:20:01] <robin_sz> but brass bar works a treat!
[20:20:07] <robin_sz> anonimasu: where are they based?
[20:20:08] <robin_sz> UK?
[20:20:12] <anonimasu> sweden
[20:20:32] <anonimasu> :)
[20:21:42] <anonimasu> *gets paranoid and grabs nessus himself*
[20:22:14] <robin_sz> anonimasu: got whoppix?
[20:22:24] <anonimasu> no
[20:22:27] <anonimasu> obsd
[20:22:36] <robin_sz> have a look at whoppix ...
[20:22:41] <anonimasu> yeah I've seen it
[20:22:42] <robin_sz> runs live, no traces
[20:22:48] <anonimasu> but I dont whopp stuff.. :D
[20:23:14] <robin_sz> * robin_sz twiddles his thumbs and whistles whilst looking skywards
[20:23:26] <anonimasu> *whistles a bit*
[20:24:01] <cradek> LawrenceG: so it's probably the freetype lib as we suspected
[20:24:07] <anonimasu> anonimasu is now known as an0n
[20:24:48] <an0n> an0n is now known as anonimasu
[20:24:57] <anonimasu> hillarious..
[20:25:01] <anonimasu> I cant remember any password :D
[20:25:02] <anonimasu> brb
[20:25:18] <Jymmm> * Jymmm installs flash ram in anonimasu
[20:28:03] <robin_sz> I had a quote on some wire-edm work today
[20:28:08] <robin_sz> fsck that is expensive
[20:28:55] <cradek> LawrenceG: I put static binaries on the web site...
[20:29:09] <cradek> LawrenceG: if you figure out the incompatibility with new freetype, *please* let me know
[20:30:32] <LawrenceG> chris... emailed you a picture of the results... that could go on web sit as well.. both plotted on same pix...
[20:31:19] <cradek> LawrenceG: thanks
[20:31:21] <LawrenceG> chris... I'll go check out the freetype site and see if I can install from sources.... it may be fixed by now
[20:31:29] <cradek> that would be great
[20:31:32] <cradek> please let me know
[20:32:08] <LawrenceG> you bet.... thanks for the program.... I have been playing with ttf for a while trying to figure out how to use them for nc stuff
[20:32:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders how hard it would be to build a wire edm
[20:32:23] <cradek> I hope ttt is a good starting point for you
[20:33:47] <LawrenceG> excellent..... now I need to figure out how to do the V bit carving using the outlines :}
[20:34:28] <LawrenceG> (inside the outlines
[20:34:49] <cradek> do you have autocad?
[20:36:16] <LawrenceG> I do... but I am trying to get away from windows completely... have a 233 running w98 and acad lite
[20:36:35] <LawrenceG> havent got aclt to run under wine yet
[20:36:36] <cradek> ah, me too - I run my very old autocad under freedos
[20:37:14] <LawrenceG> I think I have ac 2.62 somewhere for dos!
[20:37:33] <LawrenceG> and on 5 1/4 floppies
[20:38:03] <LawrenceG> used to run it on 8088 7mh turbo XT!
[20:38:06] <cradek> ha
[20:38:14] <cradek> off to dinner, let me know what you find out about freetype!
[20:38:26] <LawrenceG> I remember one schematic that took 5 min to regen!
[20:38:38] <LawrenceG> cheers
[20:40:11] <anonimasu> iab
[20:41:12] <anonimasu> robin_sz: cheaper the buying one?
[20:41:24] <robin_sz> yeah,
[20:41:31] <robin_sz> I should look out for one ..
[20:42:00] <anonimasu> I have some gears I'd need EDM:ed..
[20:42:01] <robin_sz> I asked for a quote on a piece, say, 8mm thick, 25mm long, some detail
[20:42:13] <robin_sz> �25 ...
[20:42:19] <anonimasu> oh
[20:42:24] <anonimasu> heh
[20:42:36] <anonimasu> that's cheap..
[20:42:43] <robin_sz> I needed 30 of them
[20:42:49] <anonimasu> ah :/
[20:43:04] <anonimasu> this are gearbox gears ;) in some very hard steel..
[20:43:16] <robin_sz> EDM would be OK for that
[20:43:34] <robin_sz> I guess .. a 50mm dia gear / 20mm deep ...
[20:43:41] <anonimasu> well if the gears are under 400$ each I am happy :)
[20:43:41] <robin_sz> �300 or more
[20:44:02] <robin_sz> I suspect they will me more then $400
[20:44:26] <anonimasu> might be easier to machine them and send them off to case hardening
[20:45:10] <robin_sz> on a gear hob?
[20:45:18] <anonimasu> on a mill..
[20:45:35] <robin_sz> oh, not involute gears then
[20:45:46] <anonimasu> involute?
[20:45:50] <robin_sz> ahh
[20:45:57] <anonimasu> straight cut is just fine..
[20:46:06] <robin_sz> sure?
[20:46:14] <robin_sz> must be fairly low performance then
[20:46:36] <robin_sz> I'll be suprised if they are not an involute tooth form
[20:47:41] <anonimasu> oh, well would depends on how I design them..
[20:48:02] <robin_sz> I should read up on toothforms first
[20:48:14] <robin_sz> its non-trivial
[20:48:33] <anonimasu> the max load would be < 2000nm..
[20:50:29] <anonimasu> robin_sz: ?
[20:50:38] <robin_sz> ?
[20:51:29] <anonimasu> that wouldnt be a insane load would it?
[20:51:42] <robin_sz> no idea
[20:51:49] <robin_sz> dependson how big the gear is
[20:52:06] <robin_sz> for a gear in the drive train of an oil tanker .. no problem
[20:52:26] <robin_sz> I know nothing about gearbox design and peak loads
[20:52:28] <anonimasu> 20mm dia..
[20:52:38] <robin_sz> 20mm?
[20:52:44] <robin_sz> hmm .. yes, insane
[20:52:58] <robin_sz> 10mm radiue
[20:53:04] <robin_sz> 1/100th of a meter
[20:53:04] <anonimasu> oh no 20..
[20:53:23] <robin_sz> so 100 + 2000 N force
[20:53:27] <anonimasu> or maybe 8cm..
[20:53:58] <robin_sz> 200Kn, errm .. thats beyond the yield dtrength of most things
[20:54:15] <anonimasu> robin_sz: can you turn off the filtering..
[20:54:31] <robin_sz> filtering?
[20:55:05] <anonimasu> yeah so you can accept private messages
[20:55:15] <robin_sz> I already can ...
[20:55:38] <robin_sz> * robin_sz pms himself
[20:55:48] <robin_sz> yep works a treat
[20:56:41] <robin_sz> maybe freenode wont let you /msg until you register your nick ;)
[20:56:47] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:57:01] <anonimasu> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg
[20:57:06] <anonimasu> unless you turn it off
[20:57:42] <anonimasu> /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[20:57:45] <robin_sz> k
[20:58:07] <robin_sz> dine
[20:58:09] <robin_sz> done
[21:49:10] <Yuga> hey all
[21:52:31] <Jymmm> hi Yuga
[22:10:33] <A-L-P-H-A> where's ZA?
[22:11:26] <Jymmm> South Africa
[22:11:36] <A-L-P-H-A> then why isn't it SA?
[22:12:52] <Jymmm> Saudi Arabia
[22:13:01] <Jymmm> http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/countrycodes.htm
[22:17:40] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.mininova.org/tor/104154
[22:18:25] <A-L-P-H-A> watch that. it's insightful.
[22:19:27] <robin_sz> "errm, we have a problem .. it seems South Africa and Saudi Arabia both Want SA" "well, we have all the oil" .. "fair enough, that settles that then"
[22:19:58] <Yuga> zuid afrika
[22:20:02] <A-L-P-H-A> south africa has dimonds.
[22:20:13] <Yuga> dont forget the dutch found this dump
[22:20:16] <A-L-P-H-A> what dialect is that?
[22:20:18] <A-L-P-H-A> oh yeah.
[22:20:21] <A-L-P-H-A> boar wars.
[22:20:24] <A-L-P-H-A> bore?
[22:20:31] <Yuga> boer
[22:20:35] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[22:20:45] <Yuga> u where close :P
[22:21:06] <A-L-P-H-A> How'd the brits win that war? like massively? or very very slowly?
[22:21:33] <Yuga> very very slowly? untill the brit's started killing off the women and children
[22:21:53] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: there was a similar piece on Groklaw .. guy in a dry, but poor district of New Orleans .. they have functional schools, water, hospitals etc, but the gov will not let anyone use them
[22:22:23] <A-L-P-H-A> woooooho!
[22:22:47] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz... love your president... suppress the black man. <that was PURE sarcasm>
[22:23:18] <robin_sz> yeah, thank fsck hes not my president
[22:23:27] <A-L-P-H-A> nor mine.
[22:23:39] <Yuga> A-L-P-H-A... exactly the opp here in sa
[22:23:41] <robin_sz> we have president Bliar, almost as bad
[22:24:34] <A-L-P-H-A> priminister.
[22:24:40] <A-L-P-H-A> prime minister
[22:25:45] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: theres a guy on groklaw who writes about the current situation on NO, amazing .. people with multiple cars preffered to leave them to sink than let a poor family use them to escape etc
[22:26:58] <A-L-P-H-A> well. I can see happening. it's THEIR property. That's private individuals. They SHOULD have... but hey... whatever.
[22:27:20] <A-L-P-H-A> the government should have instituted evacuations.
[22:27:32] <robin_sz> oh its much worse than that ...
[22:27:37] <A-L-P-H-A> oh yeah...
[22:27:39] <A-L-P-H-A> it's hell there.
[22:27:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I was watching Canadians coming back...
[22:27:54] <A-L-P-H-A> they were sickened by what they saw.
[22:27:55] <robin_sz> appareently they locked all the school busses up .. in case anyone tried to steal them ...
[22:28:04] <A-L-P-H-A> they were disguisted at what people where doing...
[22:28:10] <robin_sz> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050903082516572#comments
[22:28:30] <robin_sz> read the piece "Malik Rahim / Crime Accusations" about 3/4 of the way down the page
[22:47:24] <CR750> cradek, would you be so kind as to setup a private chat?
[22:48:07] <A-L-P-H-A> why can't you chat in here? as opposed to have a private chat with him. is it cybering [in which case do it privately]? or emc based?
[22:48:27] <CR750> REALIZE based
[22:48:47] <CR750> BTW, what's "cybering"?
[22:48:54] <Yuga> night all
[22:50:01] <CR750> Let me give you some background, then you can decide if it's a topic for emc, or a provate chat.
[22:50:54] <A-L-P-H-A> CR750, http://tinyurl.com/72wnq
[22:51:55] <CR750> Realize converts AuitoCAD R12 drawings to NC. I have AutoCAD2005 which will not execute REALIZE.
[22:52:16] <A-L-P-H-A> does realize take in a DWG file?
[22:52:19] <CR750> Thanks, ALPHA, but Noooo Thanks!
[22:52:21] <A-L-P-H-A> or an addon?
[22:52:33] <CR750> Yes
[22:52:43] <CR750> Sorry Its a LISP
[22:52:53] <CR750> In AutoCAD
[22:53:14] <A-L-P-H-A> sec phone
[22:53:28] <A-L-P-H-A> k
[22:53:58] <A-L-P-H-A> well, if it's an addon/lisp check for a new version of realize. if it's a file, saveas Autocad12 format.
[22:54:18] <A-L-P-H-A> or work in 2005, saveas R12, open in AutocadR12, and use realize there.
[22:54:25] <CR750> That's why I wanted to chat with cradek. He wrote it!
[22:55:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I think he gave up on it after a while... but I could remember wrong. just PM him, asking to contact you in regards to it. leave an email for him if you don't want to wait.
[22:55:09] <CR750> 2005 does not have a "Save As R12" feature. Only 2000LT
[22:55:09] <A-L-P-H-A> email address that is.
[22:55:27] <A-L-P-H-A> are you sure? fine, DXFout to R12.
[22:55:36] <CR750> I'm sure
[22:56:59] <CR750> Stupid d***khead <cr750>
[22:57:15] <CR750> There IS a DXF for R12.
[22:57:19] <robin_sz> mmm .. yes
[22:57:21] <robin_sz> I know
[22:57:36] <robin_sz> bottom of the DXF list
[22:57:43] <A-L-P-H-A> are we happy now?
[22:58:01] <CR750> As a pig in poo
[22:58:20] <CR750> My most abject appologies!
[22:58:53] <A-L-P-H-A> k, to repent, give me your first born.
[22:59:08] <CR750> She's 24Years old.
[22:59:14] <robin_sz> sounds OK to me
[22:59:18] <CR750> Still want her?
[22:59:19] <A-L-P-H-A> sweet... I'm 26... is she single?
[22:59:27] <Jymmm> is she mute?
[22:59:30] <CR750> Defacto
[22:59:35] <CR750> Be nice
[22:59:58] <CR750> Of course, She's beautiful. She's my daughter
[23:00:01] <Jymmm> come one now, we would ALL want our females to be mute.
[23:00:13] <CR750> (true)
[23:00:23] <robin_sz> and blonde ...
[23:00:34] <CR750> Gotta go. Tx fr the help. SWMBO is calling.
[23:00:35] <A-L-P-H-A> CR750, objectively speaking, is she beautiful... go find a friend, and ask him is she's cute.
[23:00:36] <A-L-P-H-A> :D hahaha
[23:00:38] <Jymmm> blondes are like assholes, everyone has one.
[23:00:52] <Jymmm> or has had one =)
[23:01:20] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, you don't have one... all your shit that comes out of your mouth. :D haha.
[23:01:21] <A-L-P-H-A> j/k
[23:01:46] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I could take this to a WHOLE NEW LOW after your comment, but I won't.
[23:02:01] <A-L-P-H-A> where's the fun in that?
[23:02:03] <A-L-P-H-A> damn...
[23:02:13] <A-L-P-H-A> you suck, and spew. ;)
[23:02:19] <Jymmm> This is #EMC, not #BDSM
[23:02:31] <A-L-P-H-A> #bondage is taken already...
[23:02:31] <robin_sz> now now .. if you must wind him up ... just ask him how his router is getting on
[23:02:57] <robin_sz> se if he has managed to run that REALLY REALLY complex test I asked for ...
[23:03:42] <Jymmm> you dont want to wind me up today, I'm in a good mood.
[23:04:00] <Jymmm> and I want to stay that way.
[23:04:03] <robin_sz> so have you done that really difficult and complex test yet?
[23:04:12] <Jymmm> * Jymmm gets wound....
[23:04:51] <Jymmm> I asked very nicely now...
[23:05:21] <robin_sz> well, when you get chance .. I'm still interested to know ...
[23:05:22] <A-L-P-H-A> jymmm got ops? and he's huffing and puffing...
[23:05:57] <Jymmm> your tests are the least of my worries atm. Stillt rying to get 100IPM w/o a following error
[23:06:30] <robin_sz> all I wanted you to do is push on one side of the gantry and pull on the other and tell me how much play there is ..
[23:06:34] <robin_sz> not exactly hard ..
[23:06:37] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A orders Jymmm some little blue pills to help his minor dysfunction.
[23:06:45] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[23:07:16] <robin_sz> 100ipm? ... steppers?
[23:07:29] <Jymmm> yep
[23:07:33] <A-L-P-H-A> let him dream.
[23:07:38] <robin_sz> microstepped?
[23:07:44] <Jymmm> 16000
[23:07:55] <Jymmm> I can get 90ipm under mach2
[23:08:00] <Jymmm> no problem
[23:08:15] <robin_sz> 16khz for 100ipm?
[23:08:26] <Jymmm> 27Khz
[23:08:33] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:08:43] <robin_sz> emc will struggle with that I think ...
[23:08:49] <robin_sz> its capable of that speed ..
[23:09:10] <robin_sz> but it will be rough at those higher frew
[23:09:16] <xet7> Something strange here, BDI 4.23 and axis with emc1 works on my PentiumII and laptop computers, on laptop with better speed because it's AMD Sempron :) haven't tried emc2 yet, is it included in BDI 4.23?
[23:09:17] <robin_sz> and that saps torque
[23:09:21] <Jymmm> I JUST finished installing 4.25 on a different machine, but haivng problems getting the video setup
[23:09:30] <xet7> 4.25?
[23:09:48] <Jymmm> xet7 emc2 is not part of any BDI, cvd only.
[23:09:52] <Jymmm> cvs
[23:10:34] <xet7> ok
[23:10:56] <robin_sz> Jymmm: thats part of the basic problem with PC derived pulses .. they get rough at high frequencies
[23:11:02] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A hey fucker, what color are the pills to help with the MAJOR ones?
[23:12:00] <Jymmm> robin_sz: So I hear. but I'm trying to determine if it's HW or SW. So I've setup a dual boot on this machine to get a real comparison.
[23:12:01] <robin_sz> red and blue stripes
[23:12:30] <robin_sz> 27khz is quite high for steppers,
[23:12:39] <robin_sz> lots of volts required I guess
[23:13:03] <robin_sz> 100ipm is alow though
[23:13:06] <robin_sz> slow
[23:13:15] <robin_sz> sounds lke they got the gearing wrong
[23:13:27] <robin_sz> what pitch are the ball screws?
[23:13:31] <Jymmm> .2"
[23:13:45] <robin_sz> gearing from the motor to the screw?
[23:13:48] <Jymmm> 2:1
[23:13:57] <robin_sz> so 0.1 effective
[23:14:19] <Jymmm> how to I change the MAX x resolution value?
[23:14:24] <robin_sz> 1000 motor revs a minute ...
[23:14:45] <robin_sz> 16 revs a second
[23:15:22] <robin_sz> 2000 pulses a rev?
[23:15:31] <robin_sz> 32K for 100 ipm
[23:17:29] <robin_sz> you probably should have gone for G210s not 201s maybe ...
[23:17:42] <robin_sz> or a hardware stepgen
[23:18:12] <robin_sz> I hear anon is doing OK with his pico board
[23:19:04] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, those are usually copper, or silver colored... and shaped like bullets, with explosive powders that propell them through the crainium... immediate solution to the state of mind.
[23:19:33] <robin_sz> permanent too
[23:19:53] <A-L-P-H-A> finally pumping out new orleans.
[23:19:53] <Jymmm> I'm not fond of propritary solutions.
[23:20:21] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, wth, that's opened sourced. or open soares...
[23:20:46] <robin_sz> yeah? with what? fir trucks?
[23:21:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I need another nap.
[23:22:00] <A-L-P-H-A> this is so messed up.
[23:22:05] <A-L-P-H-A> i'm tired all the time
[23:23:29] <robin_sz> sigh
[23:23:53] <robin_sz> sleeping at the worng time then not tireed when you should sleep?
[23:26:40] <A-L-P-H-A> my sleep cycle is fliped 180
[23:26:46] <A-L-P-H-A> like I'm living in HK or something
[23:26:49] <A-L-P-H-A> +12hrs.
[23:26:56] <robin_sz> yeah, had that happen to me once or twice ...
[23:27:04] <A-L-P-H-A> happens to me all the time.
[23:27:13] <A-L-P-H-A> I also have night classes now as well.
[23:27:19] <robin_sz> I had someone keep me awake for like 36 hours, went to bed early evening
[23:27:28] <A-L-P-H-A> kids?
[23:27:30] <robin_sz> and that seems to sort of reset it
[23:27:51] <A-L-P-H-A> i was talking to Ms. evil, till like 4am two days ago.
[23:27:55] <robin_sz> no, on purpose to reset a fscke dup sleep cycle
[23:28:15] <robin_sz> ahh. Ms Evil ...
[23:28:23] <A-L-P-H-A> why can't you type fucked. it's a word.
[23:28:33] <A-L-P-H-A> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fuck
[23:28:37] <robin_sz> well, yes
[23:28:46] <robin_sz> but fsck is a unix command
[23:28:51] <robin_sz> and im a nerd
[23:29:02] <A-L-P-H-A> yes I know... file system check.
[23:29:34] <robin_sz> I also prefer worng for wrong ...
[23:30:23] <A-L-P-H-A> I liked borked, in stead of broke.
[23:30:29] <robin_sz> yep
[23:30:42] <robin_sz> it has swedish chef overtones too
[23:32:40] <A-L-P-H-A> who uses this word? http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shtup
[23:32:48] <A-L-P-H-A> shtup
[23:34:45] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shtup
[23:35:05] <robin_sz> weird