#emc | Logs for 2005-08-28

[00:03:19] <PhydBleep_> PhydBleep_ is now known as Phydbleep
[00:03:28] <Jacky^> Phydbleep: !!!!!!!!
[00:03:40] <Jacky^> are you ?
[00:03:44] <Jacky^> O_o
[00:04:06] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is busy fighting with the aftermath of a power failure..
[00:04:17] <Jacky^> Phydbleep: ...
[00:04:22] <Jacky^> how are the cats ?
[00:04:40] <Jacky^> :-)
[00:04:58] <Jacky^> i've 2 cats now :P
[00:05:08] <Phydbleep> Fleeing in terror... I had to cuss when the power went down..
[00:05:23] <Jacky^> :(
[00:14:15] <robin_z> * robin_z thanks his UPS for being there when needed
[01:02:15] <Yuga> hey all
[01:08:48] <Jymmm> hi Yuga
[01:09:04] <Yuga> anything exciting happening?
[01:09:32] <robin_z> hi Jymmm
[01:09:44] <robin_z> you were asking about running stuff on system boot, and grub?
[01:11:01] <Jymmm> yeah, I found out I need to muck with init insted of the bootloader.
[01:11:07] <robin_z> yep
[01:11:35] <robin_z> is this something like say, apache or some other app, or is it a system service?
[01:11:49] <robin_z> if its a system service, then yeah, init is the place
[01:12:05] <Jymmm> no, running only keystick as default w/o login upon bootup.
[01:12:06] <robin_z> if its an app, like apache, mail system ...
[01:12:38] <robin_z> well, hmmm
[01:13:15] <robin_z> init is possibly not the place as the system will try to start it again if its goes off, which *might* not be what you intend
[01:13:16] <AchiestDragon> you know when you design and build something , then find you cannot get it through the door
[01:13:40] <Jymmm> AchiestDragon Nope, that's what sawzall are for.
[01:14:01] <robin_z> Jymmm: maybe just from /etc/rc.d then sitch runlevel to get it there ..
[01:14:50] <robin_z> AchiestDragon: oh i *nearly* did worse than that .. built a new shed, sectional, as we came to erect it .. someone asked, "where is the door?" ;)
[01:17:25] <AchiestDragon> :) well glad i checked before i started to build it , grrr 40mm too big , to get thrugh the door
[01:18:01] <AchiestDragon> and thats if i took the steppers of the end :(
[01:18:30] <robin_z> Jymmm: and if you do run from init .. do NOT edit rc.sysinit, edit rc.local instead ... but sometingn in rc.d would probably be better
[01:19:28] <Jymmm> Well, I'll clueless there... so it'll probably be skipped for now.
[01:21:00] <robin_z> I always fancied running the EMC service as root from rc.d, then allowing uses to connect a GUI from their non-root account
[01:21:36] <robin_z> ie youd start and connect the machine cotnroller as the box booted, then users would log-in to control it
[01:21:48] <Jymmm> I want to run a remote gui, X take too many resources for this lil mahcien.
[01:22:58] <Jymmm> fuck this place is a mess!
[01:23:06] <robin_z> mines worse
[01:23:35] <robin_z> what box you gonna run the X server on?
[01:23:46] <Jymmm> TkEMC on XP
[01:23:57] <Jymmm> smb and ssh
[01:24:16] <robin_z> ssh?
[01:24:47] <Jymmm> secure shell, putty
[01:24:49] <robin_z> and do ssh -X to the emc machine?
[01:24:57] <Jymmm> no X at all.
[01:25:27] <robin_z> ah right
[01:25:37] <robin_z> runnng Tk for doze or whatever
[01:25:40] <Jymmm> TkEMC running on XP can connect to the emcsvr on the emc box
[01:25:52] <robin_z> 'k
[01:26:05] <Jymmm> just need samba to transfer files other to the nix filesystem and putty for, well whatever.
[01:26:20] <Jymmm> TkEMC on XP still ref the nix filesystem.
[01:26:28] <Jymmm> on a file open I mean
[01:26:45] <robin_z> yeah
[01:27:01] <robin_z> pity it cant do that locally, then upload the file over the link
[01:27:13] <robin_z> this has been discussed before
[01:27:50] <Jymmm> it probably could, but this is a simple enough solution.
[01:28:35] <robin_z> did you get me any dat from the tests?
[01:28:38] <robin_z> data
[01:29:10] <Jymmm> nope
[01:29:38] <robin_z> ah well
[01:30:20] <robin_z> well, just pushing onthe gantry by hand, how much play do you estimate?
[01:30:25] <robin_z> on one side ...
[01:31:16] <robin_z> 1mm? 2mm? more?
[01:32:12] <Jymmm> no clue
[01:33:06] <robin_z> whys that? no hands? no machine?
[01:33:41] <robin_z> sent t back?
[01:33:56] <robin_z> gantry fallen off?
[01:44:16] <Jacky^> ouchhh
[01:44:36] <Jacky^> bed call
[01:44:45] <Jacky^> Gnight guys :)
[01:44:52] <Jacky^> see tomorrow
[01:46:22] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[01:46:22] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[01:48:10] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[01:48:19] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[02:27:56] <paul_c> paul_c has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - Support and development of a linux based CNC control. | Home page www.linuxcnc.org | Regular Developer's meetings every Sunday between 14:00 & 18:00 GMT | General linux discussions and support the rest of the week. | BDI-4.23 released.
[04:34:30] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[04:34:33] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[09:30:31] <anonimasu> morning
[12:32:50] <robin_sz> meep?
[12:36:08] <anonimasu> m33p
[12:36:48] <robin_sz> l33t 5p34k
[12:37:35] <robin_sz> going to have to shoot this G200X soon ...
[12:37:52] <anonimasu> why?
[12:37:54] <anonimasu> dosent it work?
[12:38:01] <robin_sz> havubg trouble getting the encoder inputs goig
[12:38:38] <anonimasu> :/
[12:39:01] <robin_sz> no problem in the diagnistics code
[12:39:11] <robin_sz> but some random problem in my application code ..
[12:43:10] <robin_sz> so annoying .. the registers on the FPGA just read back as zero .. even though I have set up the counters in the correct way .. sigh.
[12:44:09] <anonimasu> :/
[12:44:17] <anonimasu> fpga code broken?
[12:44:32] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is going to do some machining today
[12:44:43] <robin_sz> making the next part of "The Plan" harder than it need be ... which was to have an encoder on the front panel and a keypad so I could press a key, and spin the encoder to tunr up/down cutting speed, arc voltage, current, pierce delay etc
[12:44:53] <Jacky^> morning all
[12:45:08] <robin_sz> no, it runs fine in the diagnostics code ... so the FPGA is doing its thig
[12:45:51] <robin_sz> did you see that hack on a bank encryption system with an FPGA?
[12:47:16] <robin_sz> basically, they shpwed how to persuade an IBM encryption module to cough up an encrypted version of the master key
[12:47:52] <robin_sz> then used a FPGA to crack the cipher ... running 16K trial keys at once
[12:48:12] <robin_sz> recovered the key in less than 48 hrs
[12:49:01] <robin_sz> IBM failed to take them seriously / patch it after 18 months ... so they put the code and circuitry on the web :)
[12:53:04] <anonimasu> robin_sz: yes
[12:53:17] <anonimasu> I've seen it..
[12:53:23] <anonimasu> fpga's makes for interesting apps ;)
[12:53:53] <anonimasu> robin_sz: if there was a compiler that would allow you to code c-ish stuff and compile the algorithm into FPGA components ;)
[13:49:27] <robin_sz> well, vhdl is sorta C like
[13:50:36] <robin_sz> sometimes, hardware is better than software ... realtime step generation being an obvious example, jon elsons bord for example
[13:50:46] <robin_sz> hey, didn't you buy one of those?
[14:00:25] <les> good morning
[14:01:03] <les> I have not heard from that guy I am trying to buy the spindle from
[14:01:06] <les> but
[14:01:19] <les> I think I know why
[14:01:35] <les> He is in New Orleans
[14:02:13] <les> I fear that city is about to get erased from the face of the earth
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[14:40:33] <anonimasu> hm
[14:40:52] <anonimasu> hm
[14:40:54] <anonimasu> robin, yea
[14:40:55] <anonimasu> yes..
[14:41:01] <anonimasu> * anonimasu did some turning on the lathe
[14:41:15] <anonimasu> now my right hand are all taped up :)
[15:21:19] <paul_c> Morning Dan.
[15:21:41] <dan_falck> hi paul
[15:23:18] <paul_c> BDI-4.23 is now available...
[15:24:15] <dan_falck> which server(s)?
[15:26:45] <paul_c> http://www.wildrice.com/emc/ and http://www.cncgear.com/EMC/BDI/ so far..
[15:27:04] <dan_falck> ok. thanks!
[15:27:15] <paul_c> in depth details of changes @ www.linuxcnc.org/bdi/
[15:27:25] <dan_falck> downloading now...
[15:36:04] <paul_c> and that's the cvs sources tagged...
[15:38:38] <jepler_> ooh, neat -- I've never tried out screen's "multi-attach" mode.
[15:39:28] <anonimasu> :)
[15:39:30] <paul_c> jepler: ?
[15:40:08] <jepler_> paul_c: "screen" lets you run multiple tty-mode sessions inside one terminal window, and also disconnect from them and later reconnect from a different machine
[15:40:20] <jepler_> so it's great to let me type to the same IRC session from home or from work, for example
[15:40:36] <jepler_> with "multi-attach" I can apparently leave the same thing displayed in two (real) xterms at the same time
[15:42:03] <paul_c> * paul_c googles....
[15:43:37] <anonimasu> * anonimasu hates screen
[15:43:49] <jepler_> I love it
[15:43:50] <jepler_> mmmmm
[15:43:59] <anonimasu> it gives your pinky finger pain ctrl + a...
[15:44:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu ends up with too many open terms
[15:44:19] <jepler_> you can re-map that .. I actually use ctrl-x, but only because I never use emacs
[15:44:52] <jepler_> (I use ctrl-a as 'go to beginning of line' far more often..)
[15:45:05] <anonimasu> yeah, I should map it to ctrl + b
[15:45:18] <anonimasu> or just change the way i push it..
[15:45:38] <anonimasu> it maybe ctrl + x.. it sounds nice
[15:47:11] <Jymmm> Mornin folks!
[15:47:23] <paul_c> Morning Jymmm
[15:47:37] <Jymmm> *SMACK*
[15:47:45] <paul_c> ;-p
[15:48:04] <Jymmm> paul_c: Do you know how to remove the bootsplash?
[15:48:07] <paul_c> Late night last night ?
[15:48:52] <cradek> hi all, I finally ran into the 1250760 bug last night
[15:48:59] <paul_c> Do you want the quick'n'easy way, or the long and involved method ?
[15:49:04] <cradek> ([ emc-Bugs-1250760 ] feeds slow after program abort)
[15:49:18] <Jymmm> paul_c: Q&D would be nice.
[15:49:40] <cradek> I had a program that would start running but then abort when the interpreter would get to a future line that exceeds limits
[15:49:46] <paul_c> /boot/grub/menu.lst - Comment out the initrd line(s)
[15:50:05] <cradek> after that, MDI/G0 or the initial G0 moves in the program, when restarted, would go very slowly
[15:50:31] <Jymmm> paul_c: will that still allow fbconsole to remain?
[15:53:35] <paul_c> fbconsole is compiled in
[15:53:42] <Jymmm> paul_c: Ok, that seems to have done it, thanks. Do you have any idea why the font looks 'choppy' ?
[15:54:38] <paul_c> change the vga mode (or remove t) in grub menu.lst
[15:54:54] <Jymmm> paul_c what does the 't' do?
[15:55:33] <paul_c> s/ t/ it/
[15:56:52] <Jymmm> ok, I see blah... vga=788 should it be something else?
[15:57:43] <paul_c> delete it...
[15:57:53] <Jymmm> ok
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[16:02:02] <cradek> I added that information to the bug report
[16:04:05] <Jymmm> oh hell.... ok, now how do I remove the bootsplash during shutdown/reboot ?
[16:07:53] <paul_c> update-rc.d -f bootsplash remove
[16:08:33] <Jymmm> what man page is that in?
[16:08:47] <paul_c> man update-rc.d
[16:09:26] <les> hi guys
[16:09:46] <Jymmm> ok, and what about the vga=788, where could I find other settings?
[16:09:49] <Jymmm> hi les
[16:10:22] <Jymmm> paul_c: I wanted to set the fbconsole simular to knoppix startup
[16:10:41] <Jymmm> les no tractor pulls this morning?
[16:10:58] <les> ha did yesterday.
[16:11:18] <Jymmm> you got your tractor stuck in the mud?
[16:11:23] <les> I may not get that spindle I wanted...it's in new orleans.
[16:11:35] <Jymmm> shipping too high?
[16:12:15] <les> no...katrina is up to 175 sustained....new orleans is about to be "eliminated"
[16:12:21] <les> check cnn
[16:12:52] <paul_c> Jymmm: See kernel source Documentation/svga.txt and...
[16:13:04] <Jymmm> les OH! ouch
[16:13:21] <paul_c> Documentation/i386/boot.txt
[16:19:31] <CIA-4> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/ (Makefile log/Makefile motion/Makefile): emcmotlog is redundant code - Removing it from kernel code avoids a compilation failure with 2.6 builds.
[16:19:45] <Jymmm> $37 for five 45A SSR
[16:40:01] <Jymmm> paul_c: I couldn't find vga= settings in those docs you gave me (I googles for them), but I was able to find vga=791 from knoppix cd and it works beautifully.
[16:42:30] <dan_falck> les: how's the router doing, with the fixes to the tp?
[16:52:35] <les> hi dan
[16:53:08] <les> it looks good...I am now trying to get a bigger spindle since I can now go faster
[16:53:52] <les> Before I didn't bother...the pt bug would have torn the machine apart at high speeds
[16:54:16] <les> tp i mean
[16:54:30] <dan_falck> so no more burns to sand out now?
[16:55:04] <les> right....I even have to remove the "anti gouge" I had to program in
[16:55:14] <dan_falck> great
[16:55:39] <paul_c> That will give the employees more time to chase the girls
[16:55:53] <dan_falck> :)
[16:56:00] <les> It still has issues with improper velocity adapting if segments are very short
[16:56:25] <les> but all in all it's much better
[16:57:43] <dan_falck> that's good to hear
[16:58:09] <les> yup
[16:58:33] <les> It does velocity adapt to honor velocity and accel settings
[16:58:37] <dan_falck> I just bought a B'port with a Centroid M40 on it. Eventually, I will be able to do a side by side comparison of it and EMC
[16:59:15] <les> but if block rate is beyond maximum the whole thing breaks down
[16:59:52] <les> It really needs to adapt such that a certain block rate is never exceeded
[17:00:05] <les> Centroid M40 huh?
[17:00:13] <Jymmm> les did you ever find your tool changer stuff?
[17:00:18] <dan_falck> early to mid 90's
[17:00:29] <dan_falck> w/ 4th axis
[17:00:41] <les> I still need a second mill but have just about decided to go with a VMC
[17:01:15] <dan_falck> you could probably find a VMC as cheap as anything and you have the space for one
[17:01:28] <dan_falck> I just have a 2 car garage
[17:01:32] <les> I didn't find much functional ATC stuff in emc jymmm
[17:01:42] <Jymmm> les: ah,ok.
[17:01:51] <les> there is some stuff there...but no comms
[17:02:20] <dan_falck> thanks for the info les. I need to go pay for the new mill. Time to make some parts.
[17:02:28] <les> ok
[17:02:31] <les> later dan
[17:18:57] <Jymmm> bah... I have such ahard time mounting a cdrom =(
[17:19:16] <Jymmm> even under KDE
[17:20:36] <paul_c> * paul_c clicks on the cd-rom icon..... mounting cdrom.
[17:21:07] <paul_c> * paul_c right clicks and selects "eject"..... cd pops out.
[17:21:29] <paul_c> Jymmm: Works for me no probs.
[17:21:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm click on the cdrom icon.... mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, or too many mounted file systems Please check that the disk is entered correctly
[17:22:04] <Jymmm> Error - kio_devices_mounthelper
[17:24:05] <paul_c> Are you in these groups: audio,cdrom,dialout,dip,disk,floppy,games,users,sudo
[17:24:46] <paul_c> is your fstab line correct for the CD drive ?
[17:25:16] <Jymmm> paul_c where would I look?
[17:25:16] <paul_c> Is the CD-ROM icon linked to the correct device ?
[17:26:00] <jepler_> "id" to find the groups you're a member of
[17:26:03] <jepler_> "/etc/fstab"
[17:26:09] <jepler_> and "ls -l /dev/cdrom"
[17:26:20] <paul_c> "groups" will tell you what groups you belong to...
[17:27:12] <Jymmm> ~$ groups
[17:27:12] <Jymmm> jim disk dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip games users
[17:27:33] <Jymmm> $ ls -l /dev/cdrom
[17:27:33] <Jymmm> ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory
[17:28:18] <paul_c> cat /etc/fstab
[17:28:51] <Jymmm> /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro,users,noauto,unhide 0 0
[17:29:20] <Jymmm> should I change that from 'noauto' to 'auto' ?
[17:29:22] <paul_c> now "ls /cdrom"
[17:29:46] <paul_c> leave noauto alone - This tells linux not to mount the drive at boot time.
[17:29:59] <Jymmm> ah
[17:30:30] <Jymmm> ls /cdrom returns nothing
[17:31:18] <paul_c> Insert a CD in to the drive, and type "mount /cdrom"
[17:31:45] <Jymmm> ~$ mount /cdrom
[17:31:45] <Jymmm> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[17:31:45] <Jymmm> or too many mounted file systems
[17:32:41] <paul_c> sounds like your drive is in the last stages of death.
[17:32:49] <Jymmm> I just replaced it.
[17:33:05] <paul_c> IDE cable the right way round ?
[17:33:23] <Jymmm> laptop... and the system was just installed using it.
[17:33:33] <Jymmm> twice
[17:35:01] <paul_c> dunno then - The cdrom driver is compiled in to the kernel.... Your fstab line is correct.
[17:36:30] <paul_c> Did you change the bios settings ?
[17:36:37] <Jymmm> weird.... mounted cd1 - no luck. Then mounted the install cd and it worked, then mounted cd1 again and it now works.
[17:37:40] <paul_c> sound like flakey hardware...
[17:38:12] <Jymmm> I just spent 5 hours replacing this cdrom drive yesterday
[17:38:26] <Jymmm> it worked fien installing bdi
[17:41:07] <Jymmm> is there a way to 'detect' the fs on the cdrom?
[17:41:15] <Jymmm> iso, udf, etc
[17:42:43] <jepler_> dd of=/tmp/test if=/dev/cdrom; file /tmp/test
[17:42:47] <jepler_> /tmp/test: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'BDI-Lite ' (bootable)
[17:44:03] <Jymmm> jepler does that tell me the actualy fs, or just determine if it's iso9660 ?
[17:44:54] <jepler_> Jymmm: it will try to detect the filesystem type.
[17:46:02] <jepler_> Jymmm: for instance, "file" says this when I give it the first few hundred K of /dev/hda1:
[17:46:04] <jepler_> /tmp/test: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS ", ...
[17:50:04] <jepler_> i don't really have any ideas
[17:50:22] <Jymmm> jepler: excuse the ignorance, but I dont have a /tmp/test file.
[17:51:13] <jepler_> Jymmm: right, you create one with the 'dd' command, like I showed above
[17:51:25] <jepler_> dd of=/tmp/test if=/dev/cdrom count=100
[17:52:26] <Jymmm> $ dd of=/tmp/test if=/dev/cdrom count=100
[17:52:26] <Jymmm> dd: opening `/dev/cdrom': No such file or directory
[17:53:26] <jepler_> Jymmm: instead of /dev/hdrom use /dev/hdc or whatever your cdrom device actually is
[17:55:49] <Jymmm> hmmmm.... this one disc shows as binary.
[17:56:45] <jepler_> is it possible that the disc is bad, not correctly burned, or something?
[17:57:29] <Jymmm> paul_c: Where can I see what version I've booted up to (4.23)?
[17:57:59] <paul_c> dpkg -l | grep emc
[17:58:01] <Jymmm> jepler: sometime I use fs other than iso9660; juliet, UDF, etc
[17:58:15] <Jymmm> paul_c: no, no, from the bootable cd
[17:58:58] <paul_c> the release notes or .cdinfo
[17:59:41] <Jymmm> can I get to that from the boot menu?
[17:59:59] <jepler_> "file" may not know about all filesystem types.
[18:00:07] <paul_c> sorry... .diskinfo
[18:01:20] <Jymmm> paul_c can I get to that from the boot menu?
[18:01:58] <paul_c> no.
[18:02:10] <Jymmm> ok, booting into rescue mode
[18:03:26] <paul_c> If you boot the CD up in graphical install mode, the "Release Notes" button will bring up the release info & change log.
[18:04:43] <Jymmm> oh NOW he tells me =)
[18:05:03] <paul_c> you didn't wait....
[18:05:58] <Jymmm> oh shit.... you asked with onboard video, didn't you?
[18:06:02] <paul_c> the other way is too look at the front of the CD where someone has used a sharpie to note the ISO details on the label.
[18:07:04] <Jymmm> paul_c there was no sharpie included with the iso file.
[18:07:32] <Jymmm> "Free sharpie with every ISO"
[18:07:54] <Jymmm> paul_c Now, did you need with internal video only?
[18:08:11] <paul_c> Just need to know it will boot to the GUI.
[18:08:24] <Jymmm> but onboard video ?
[18:08:36] <Jymmm> or that doens't matter
[18:09:06] <paul_c> onboard please.
[18:09:43] <Jymmm> btw, so far it didn't find any hdd's either.
[18:10:01] <Jymmm> and went into that funky text mode
[18:10:20] <Jymmm> blue background
[18:11:08] <paul_c> OK. so it still doesn't detect i810 video
[18:11:17] <Jymmm> * Jymmm never knows what to call that install mode.
[18:11:23] <paul_c> text mode
[18:11:43] <Jymmm> well, i think I'm on the ext video card. but it's saying it cant find hdd's
[18:12:06] <Jymmm> let me look......
[18:17:00] <Jymmm> ok, I yanked the ext video card and the 2nd nic. using only onboard stuff and booting now....
[18:18:27] <Jymmm> Probing for video card: Intel 810
[18:18:46] <Jymmm> fatal IO error 104
[18:19:15] <Jymmm> you many now safely reboot your system
[18:20:54] <Jymmm> jepler ok, thanks =)
[18:22:29] <paul_c> Jymmm: Thanks for testing...
[18:23:13] <paul_c> J.E. will just have to stop peddling dodgy old Dell machines on the cheap.
[18:25:05] <Jymmm> paul_c: I was able to get to the text install, but not the gui
[18:25:31] <Jymmm> who's j.e. ?
[18:26:13] <paul_c> Elson.
[18:26:17] <Jymmm> ah
[18:28:46] <Jymmm> paul_c anythnign else?
[18:29:23] <paul_c> a beer ?
[18:29:41] <Jymmm> yes, you do owe me 3 beers now
[18:31:18] <Jymmm> paul_c ok, if nothign else, I'll put the machien back together now.
[18:31:39] <paul_c> once again, thanks for testing.
[18:31:47] <Jymmm> paul_c np
[18:31:58] <paul_c> time for food.
[19:18:14] <Jymmm> has anyone every noticed that when paul leaves, shortly after Steve does too?
[19:26:55] <Imperator_> maybe he wants to listen to Paul ??
[19:27:09] <Imperator_> quiet today
[19:33:22] <Jymmm> lil bit, ppl were on earlier
[20:46:09] <Yuga> hi all
[22:00:26] <robin_sz> ahhh .... bisto
[22:08:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is having VPN fun ...
[22:30:17] <robin_sz> paul_c, if you are going to kick me off the channel from time to time, could you at elast have the decency to /msg me to explain why. Thanks
[22:48:49] <robin_sz> interesting, I bet alex_joni could use these ...
[22:48:52] <robin_sz> http://search.ebay.co.uk/binzel_W0QQfromZR40
[23:09:56] <Yuga> some one recomend me a cheap servo controler!!!
[23:10:03] <Yuga> plz
[23:10:09] <robin_sz> gecko!
[23:10:14] <robin_sz> G320
[23:10:19] <Yuga> cheap and good :)
[23:10:27] <robin_sz> Gecko G320
[23:10:42] <robin_sz> or do you mean a card for the PC?
[23:10:46] <Yuga> i have been banned from using gecko to drive my servo's
[23:11:04] <Yuga> master yoda has spoken
[23:11:14] <robin_sz> oh, then .. you will have to use someting else
[23:11:31] <Yuga> yes... that's what i thought... just got no ideas
[23:11:36] <robin_sz> I have used Baldor products, they are nice
[23:11:58] <Yuga> web addy? www.baldor.com
[23:12:00] <robin_sz> got ... (checks) ... 6 motors and drive of theirs running at the moment
[23:12:24] <robin_sz> budget around �1000/axis ($1750)
[23:13:00] <Yuga> did u c when i said cheap?
[23:13:33] <robin_sz> specify what you need ... step and direction input?
[23:13:45] <robin_sz> or -10-0-+10v amps
[23:13:55] <Yuga> i actualy havent a idea... just need to read some stuff and c what's out there
[23:13:58] <Yuga> i'm new to this
[23:14:02] <robin_sz> with seperate drive card
[23:14:32] <robin_sz> Gecko is the best of the cheap bunch .. step/dir input
[23:14:56] <Yuga> and u control that off the paralell port
[23:15:17] <robin_sz> off a source of step and dir, yes ..eg the paralell port
[23:15:29] <robin_sz> its not a "real" servo in that respect
[23:15:37] <robin_sz> but if you want real servos ..
[23:15:51] <robin_sz> budget �500 for the PCI card in the machine
[23:16:12] <robin_sz> and then add amplifiers and motors
[23:16:18] <Yuga> gosh... battle for breath
[23:16:44] <robin_sz> Jon elson has some amps for not too much
[23:17:09] <Yuga> need it to drive this kinda servo "30A peak 90v 3000"
[23:17:38] <robin_sz> thats within a Geckos range I think ...
[23:18:12] <robin_sz> well, 20A, 80V
[23:18:24] <Yuga> dont know if that will be enough
[23:18:31] <Yuga> got a big machine in mind
[23:18:55] <robin_sz> well, yeah
[23:19:35] <robin_sz> you could always use Geckos to start with, buy REAL drives once you have it up and running .. geckos eBay for around 10% less than retial it seems
[23:23:33] <Jacky^> hi
[23:23:45] <Jacky^> how much $$ geckodriver ?
[23:23:51] <Jacky^> 120 ?
[23:24:23] <Jacky^> for 3 motor or 120 for 1 motor ?
[23:24:42] <Yuga> each
[23:24:47] <Jacky^> :\
[23:26:23] <Jacky^> uhmm
[23:26:48] <Jacky^> i think no half way.. its better
[23:26:57] <Jacky^> servos or nothing
[23:27:04] <Jacky^> good or nothing
[23:27:19] <Jacky^> Hspeed or nothing
[23:27:30] <Jacky^> do it 1 time only
[23:29:13] <Jacky^> that what i will do whe i can ..
[23:29:44] <robin_sz> servos are not always the right choice
[23:29:53] <robin_sz> for BIG machines yes
[23:30:07] <Jacky^> Yuga need to work on wood
[23:30:21] <Jacky^> i'm sure are a good choice for woodworking
[23:30:29] <robin_sz> at about 300~400W its choice between servos and steppers
[23:30:38] <robin_sz> below 300W usually steppers
[23:31:33] <Jacky^> wood require very high speed
[23:32:02] <Jacky^> i know something now.. :(
[23:32:08] <robin_sz> define high speed
[23:32:12] <robin_sz> how fast?
[23:33:11] <Jacky^> 500 IPM or more..
[23:33:29] <robin_sz> my router does 600 ipm
[23:33:40] <Jacky^> not the router..
[23:33:44] <Jacky^> the axis
[23:34:01] <robin_sz> yes
[23:34:03] <Jacky^> 600 ipm ??
[23:34:07] <Jacky^> stepper ?
[23:34:09] <robin_sz> 600 ipm on each axis
[23:34:13] <robin_sz> yes, steppers
[23:34:13] <Jacky^> mmhh
[23:34:19] <Jacky^> never losted steps ?
[23:34:26] <Jacky^> at this speed ? O_o
[23:34:40] <robin_sz> when its hit someting, sure
[23:34:41] <Jacky^> or.. you have additional encoder ?
[23:34:49] <Jacky^> ah.. ok
[23:34:52] <robin_sz> but it runs out wooden parts every day
[23:35:24] <Jacky^> good..
[23:36:00] <robin_sz> in reallity, it cold use servo or stepper, its a mid sized machine
[23:36:20] <Jacky^> who ? Yuga ?
[23:36:35] <Jacky^> he was talking about 3 mt machine !
[23:38:32] <robin_sz> 3 mt ... yeah, thats up in servo terriotry I guess
[23:38:48] <robin_sz> mine is a small 3hp machine
[23:38:57] <Jacky^> nice
[23:39:09] <Yuga> Jacky^... no point in doing anything small :)
[23:39:23] <robin_sz> but .. hes going o have to spend big $$$ on a 3mt machine .. thats going to be running what? 10hp +
[23:39:28] <Jacky^> Yuga: yeah ..
[23:39:53] <Jacky^> my small experience agree ..
[23:40:44] <Jacky^> better to spend one time only, maybe
[23:41:02] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:41:03] <Yuga> Jacky^... problem with that is that if u mess up u mess up big
[23:41:12] <Yuga> hence the reason i dont intend on messing up
[23:41:17] <Jacky^> i spent about E. 300 with toys part
[23:41:27] <Jacky^> just to learn :(
[23:41:53] <robin_sz> the geckos are nto "real" servos, but come close, and the eBay price seems to be about retial -20% or so
[23:42:03] <robin_sz> so not a big deal to start that way
[23:43:18] <Yuga> aparently there where nice servo drivers on ebay... but they are gone now :<
[23:43:36] <Jacky^> Yuga: i think it's hard
[23:43:52] <Jacky^> we need to search every day on ebay for it..
[23:44:57] <Jacky^> the bad thing, after build a 'customized' machine
[23:45:18] <Jacky^> it's very hard to sell it without lost 50% :(
[23:45:27] <Yuga> problem i have with buying from ebay is if it breaks... where i get a new one?
[23:45:38] <Jacky^> anyone want to build customized machine
[23:45:46] <Jacky^> with his hand..
[23:45:55] <Jacky^> and his needs
[23:47:51] <Jacky^> Yuga: i think it's not a big prob
[23:48:08] <Jacky^> you can also buy different parts, motors, drivers..
[23:48:25] <Jacky^> probably, better way is just to start build a machine
[23:48:46] <Jacky^> and going on, buy the parts as you need
[23:49:02] <Jacky^> starting with slides :)
[23:49:59] <AchiestDragon> im building one already
[23:50:23] <Jacky^> during the build you can understand better what you really need
[23:50:29] <Jacky^> i think
[23:50:38] <AchiestDragon> yes
[23:50:54] <Jacky^> of course, if you find a good price motors or drivers..
[23:51:04] <AchiestDragon> thows latest plans for a mdf design in the bin
[23:51:06] <Jacky^> buy it immediatly !
[23:52:31] <AchiestDragon> need something a bit stronger
[23:52:47] <AchiestDragon> and easyer to make
[23:53:18] <Jacky^> instead, if you want to calculate everything before.. any screw.. you could make a mistake..
[23:54:05] <Jacky^> losting money :(
[23:54:48] <AchiestDragon> like this stuff http://www.unisrut.com/cat_detail.php?S=S02&P=P1000
[23:55:12] <AchiestDragon> like this stuff http://www.unistrut.com/cat_detail.php?S=S02&P=P1000 even
[23:55:55] <AchiestDragon> grrr
[23:56:00] <AchiestDragon> http://unistrut.com/Browse/cat_pg.php?P=S00_Channel
[23:56:04] <Jacky^> :)
[23:57:38] <AchiestDragon> but at almost 3kg per meter its going to be heavy
[23:58:56] <AchiestDragon> may have somthing capable of milling brass then :)