#emc | Logs for 2005-08-16

[00:00:14] <Jacky^> i'm too
[00:00:45] <Jymmm> anonimasu hows the USC coming along?
[00:02:19] <anonimasu> it's connected but I havent had time to tune it
[00:02:49] <Jymmm> oh, so it's working now?
[00:02:54] <anonimasu> kind of
[00:03:00] <anonimasu> but the steps are weird..
[00:03:07] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[00:04:47] <anonimasu> as in I have no idea if they are real steps, in the real world..
[00:04:56] <anonimasu> I guess I'll see if it's right once I tune it..
[00:05:51] <anonimasu> I need to order second ballnuts and apply preload since I've got 0.02mm of play in the ballscrew.. when reversing..
[00:06:05] <Jymmm> oh joy
[00:06:54] <anonimasu> but it might just be a tuning issue
[00:07:46] <anonimasu> that's more likely..
[00:07:59] <Jacky^> anonimasu: how are you measuring the play on ballscrew ?
[00:08:13] <Jacky^> using a sheet and a pencil as tool ?
[00:09:08] <anonimasu> Jacky^: 0,01mm dial gauge
[00:09:30] <Jacky^> ah.. ok
[00:09:48] <anonimasu> but I doubt it's play.. somehow
[00:10:44] <anonimasu> I should bring the osciloscope back home someday, and triple check the pulsetrains
[00:11:50] <anonimasu> night guys
[00:12:15] <Jymmm> g'night anonimasu
[00:14:03] <Jacky^> anonimasu: night
[00:19:04] <Jacky^> bedtime for me too.. i'm tired
[00:19:09] <Jacky^> night all
[00:47:59] <les> back from city hall but I guess everyone has hit the hay?
[00:48:16] <paul_c> not quite
[00:48:34] <les> read back thet you had an accel prob?
[00:49:22] <paul_c> It's an issue with an ini I've been sent....
[00:49:27] <les> oh
[00:49:42] <paul_c> You can set accel & vel on a per axis basis
[00:50:32] <les> right..I am not using that....In my particular case I need balanced accel
[00:50:44] <les> other devices could make good use of it
[00:50:44] <paul_c> the limits are honoured during a jog, as long as the TRAJ values are high enough, but....
[00:51:11] <paul_c> during coordinated moves, the TRAJ settings are used.
[00:51:34] <les> hmmm
[00:52:43] <les> I will be running much higher accels now
[00:52:47] <paul_c> So... If you had accel set fairly low for say X, and high for A (and high in TRAJ)
[00:53:11] <Jymmm> what CAM are you folks using?
[00:53:19] <paul_c> the settings for X are ignored when doing a "G0X1A90"
[00:53:24] <les> oh
[00:53:44] <les> some if() or switch() I guess
[00:54:04] <les> jymmm: millwrite 2000 a lot
[00:54:34] <paul_c> if(someone hadn't added per axis) {not a problem}
[00:54:46] <les> haha
[00:55:03] <paul_c> Jymmm: B&H
[00:55:53] <Jymmm> b&h?
[00:55:53] <cradek> paul_c: are you saying you fixed that? I've noticed for a long time that jogs act differently
[00:55:58] <les> I really don't need it even though z can accel faster that y which is faster than x
[00:56:23] <gezr> hey les, do you mind looking at a machine and telling me what you think?
[00:56:30] <les> sure
[00:56:43] <les> I mean I don't mind!;)
[00:56:58] <paul_c> cradek: Not yet - Picking through the code...
[00:56:58] <les> link?
[00:57:15] <Jymmm> lmwatts.com
[00:57:25] <gezr> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G3617
[00:57:29] <cradek> paul_c: I must admit I never looked for it - it didn't matter to me
[00:57:33] <Jymmm> uh oh
[00:57:52] <Jymmm> chris what CAM do you use?
[00:58:54] <paul_c> cradek: One thing I did notice was TRAJ MAX_ACCEL was never honoured by tp/tc
[00:59:24] <les> gezr:
[00:59:50] <Jymmm> * Jymmm heads les' mind and says "It's a POS!"
[00:59:54] <les> looks ok...I have lots of grizzly iron in my shop.......
[00:59:55] <les> but
[01:00:37] <les> you could buy an old bridgeport AND an old B&S horizontal for 3k
[01:01:01] <paul_c> and maybe get some tooling thrown in..
[01:01:02] <gezr> thing about that is, I dont have much room, nor the ability to move that quality equipment around
[01:01:14] <gezr> I love old iron, dont get me wrong one bit
[01:01:14] <les> right
[01:01:21] <paul_c> china != quality
[01:01:35] <gezr> no kidding
[01:01:35] <Jymmm> gezr: What? you dont have a 400 lb gorilla in your closet?
[01:01:57] <gezr> hehehe
[01:02:08] <les> I saw an entire line of B&S #5 horizontals go out the door at ITW...all in good shape.
[01:02:18] <les> $250 scrap value each.
[01:02:21] <gezr> I was just asking, it seems as if it may fit some needs of mine in the near future
[01:02:58] <les> I use griz for woodworking....not so much for metal
[01:03:17] <les> I have never been dissapointed with their stuff
[01:03:30] <gezr> thats just it, if I could find the same machine, but from another builder, I know I would be happy and have a quality machine
[01:03:44] <les> oh wait...forgot...bought a rotary table from them
[01:03:48] <les> it was fine
[01:04:06] <gezr> les : did you look at the photo where it shows the table's ability to pivot?
[01:04:20] <les> let me look again
[01:05:34] <les> I don't really see that
[01:05:54] <gezr> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=G3617&viewtype=images&num=2&
[01:06:31] <gezr> im mainly wanting it for gear making
[01:06:45] <Jymmm> gears?! on a mill?
[01:06:56] <gezr> yeah
[01:06:58] <paul_c> sure you can.
[01:07:14] <Jymmm> oh I'm thinking threads, bah, nm
[01:07:20] <paul_c> You can even cut gears on a lathe
[01:07:26] <gezr> I cant even modify the little horizontal I have, until I have another mill to make the parts
[01:07:56] <paul_c> gezr: You have a lathe ?
[01:07:58] <gezr> ive made a few hobbs, they work great, just need better equipment
[01:08:15] <les> oh ok I see
[01:08:16] <gezr> paul_c : yeah, the little atlas, and then a sb9" im rebuilding
[01:08:40] <paul_c> With a vertical slide, you have a second mill.
[01:08:52] <les> gears on a vertical are no big problem either
[01:08:56] <Jymmm> gezr: come on now.... you take it apart, measure everything, put it back together, mill it, take it apart again, try it out, take out new part, install old part, and repeat.
[01:09:08] <gezr> Jymmm : the stuff I have is really small
[01:09:19] <Jymmm> </smartass>
[01:09:27] <les> heh
[01:09:44] <gezr> I have a goal of building a full cnc mill, but a very small machine it will be, I just want to make gears
[01:10:03] <gezr> its an obession
[01:10:03] <les> what kind of gears?
[01:10:08] <gezr> all sorts
[01:10:22] <Jymmm> for use in ___________________.
[01:10:24] <gezr> worms and worm wheels, spur, helical,
[01:10:33] <gezr> mechanisms
[01:10:43] <Jymmm> more specifically?
[01:10:56] <paul_c> "toys"
[01:11:05] <gezr> special driving unit for the atlas horizontal I have so it can become a hobb
[01:11:10] <Jymmm> clocks? "Adult Toys"? "Toys" ?
[01:11:17] <les> one word: Gleason
[01:11:20] <gezr> clocks would be neat as well
[01:11:43] <gezr> gun positioning target table
[01:11:50] <Jymmm> ah ok
[01:11:52] <les> http://www.gleason.com/
[01:11:59] <gezr> thats gonna be a wicked set of worms
[01:12:59] <gezr> ill also be able to cut my own, timming belt pulleys and stuff, as well as spline shafts
[01:13:48] <gezr> I can run manual and cnc mills but ive never really made any gears, the way they should be made
[01:14:19] <gezr> just want to do it, want to even go as far as to have emc spinning 2 spindles to make the things
[01:15:34] <les> I just have to up the hp of stuff now that we have an emc with a functional tp
[01:15:49] <les> I have to wire new electrics though
[01:16:27] <Jymmm> les 440 3ph =)
[01:16:44] <les> naw
[01:16:54] <les> but I need to turn 10 hp routers
[01:17:03] <Jymmm> ya!, then you could just add props whenever you wanted to go some place =)
[01:17:15] <les> and
[01:17:23] <les> safety stuff
[01:17:51] <les> 10 hp 20,000 rpm can do horrible things in a crash or mishap
[01:18:23] <Jymmm> oh come on... 1/8" panel will protect you
[01:18:28] <Jymmm> paneling
[01:18:30] <les> heh
[01:19:06] <les> fire stuff too... that can really light wood if the feed is wrong
[01:19:27] <Jymmm> you want auto supression?
[01:19:33] <les> 7.5 kW on a 0.5" end mill
[01:19:45] <les> auto?
[01:19:54] <Jymmm> yeah, just a sec...
[01:19:59] <les> well I want bigger fire extinguishers
[01:20:13] <Jymmm> np, hang on
[01:21:35] <Jymmm> les : http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/10001/-1/10001/118230/10001/156/155/8
[01:22:46] <les> neat
[01:23:07] <les> I think I am getting greedy here...
[01:23:18] <les> I have a good engineering contract
[01:23:34] <les> I also have a good turkey call production
[01:23:44] <les> but they are at the same time
[01:23:59] <les> I want to do both
[01:24:14] <les> solution?
[01:24:38] <les> pump kW into the cnc. then what was an 8 hr day turns into 2 hr
[01:24:50] <les> up to a point
[01:25:07] <les> I cannot leave that thing unattended
[01:25:17] <les> and I cannot get skilled help
[01:27:01] <les> goal?
[01:27:20] <les> one day of cnc will keeps the sanders/finishers busy all week.
[01:27:47] <gezr> with gears you could automate :)
[01:28:15] <les> They can do their thing, and I can go off and do my engineering thing the other four days.
[01:29:31] <les> gezr you ought to see the huge spiral bevels in the cnc
[01:29:41] <les> they are rated at 250 hp
[01:29:54] <les> why so big?
[01:29:57] <gezr> ohly crap
[01:30:00] <les> to survive crashes
[01:30:12] <gezr> cause load forces are well okay, steal my thunder
[01:30:43] <les> fun to set up...use bearing blue to mark tooth contact
[01:30:55] <gezr> ohh, more fun stuff to do
[01:31:00] <les> yeah
[01:31:48] <les> 3" hardened gears with under 0.001 lash
[01:31:58] <gezr> les : I would love to have a good bp, and a strong horizontal. You dont think I would be making a huge mistake with that grizzly would I?
[01:32:52] <les> naw it would be ok...but I like to take advantage of deindustrialization and nearly free big machines
[01:32:59] <les> you do need space though
[01:33:17] <gezr> well, I would also need new cement as well
[01:33:21] <les> yeah
[01:33:42] <gezr> dont get me wrong, I know its I cant say junk, but its not well you know
[01:34:27] <les> understand
[01:34:30] <gezr> for example, my friend has an enco bp style turret head mill, he loves it, and its as good as a bp I used to run
[01:35:15] <les> I like to take deindustrialized stuff that is considered scrap and start making things and creating jobs with them again
[01:35:29] <les> I have to apologize....
[01:35:44] <les> I know we aren't supposed to make stuff anymore
[01:36:19] <gezr> I would love to have exactly what your talking about. I cant even start a 10hp motor without browning the neighborhod
[01:37:02] <gezr> the shop im at now, has a huge cincinati horizontal mill, that is just to die for
[01:37:09] <les> really now we should all be collectively flipping burgers for each other in a utopian service economy
[01:37:19] <les> so again I apologize
[01:37:31] <gezr> les : something got you upset?
[01:37:36] <les> haha
[01:37:38] <les> nah
[01:37:52] <les> just being a smart a$$
[01:38:43] <gezr> why cant I find a us or uk manufacture with a similiar machine for 2x that things cost, I would double my price to get a good machine
[01:39:47] <les> how about halving the price and getting good machines?
[01:39:49] <gezr> heck the bp style mill we have at the shop im at, has completly worn past the thickness of the X gib, they wont let me make a new gib either
[01:39:56] <les> use the rest for space to put it
[01:40:21] <les> Gezr we don't get to fix machines either
[01:40:55] <gezr> im starting to feel bad
[01:41:06] <gezr> for even considering that thing
[01:41:49] <les> Here's what I do: When I want to scrape ways or something I just think: "ok I think I am on vacation and wil just have fun."
[01:42:06] <les> then I have my fun....
[01:42:35] <les> and when I go back to work perfectly conditioned machine just magically appear!
[01:42:46] <les> haha
[01:43:07] <les> again I have a few tons of griz iron
[01:43:13] <les> so no prob
[01:43:47] <gezr> you know what, its worth my time, to drive to the showroom and check one out
[01:43:54] <les> sure
[01:44:02] <gezr> thats the only way to tell
[01:44:23] <les> It is prob fine...just understand it is very light duty
[01:44:43] <gezr> I know from walking into harbor freight stores that its very easy to become quickly disapointed in the import stuff
[01:45:07] <les> griz does seem to be a bit better
[01:45:21] <les> I first bought from them 24 years ago
[01:45:41] <les> not perfect
[01:45:45] <les> but better
[01:45:45] <gezr> I just cant get big iron in my garrage
[01:46:02] <les> yeah I understand
[01:46:17] <les> I just don't have that problem anymore
[01:46:57] <gezr> you know, if I could get that thing, with vs drive, 40 taper spindles, it would probably be a better machine
[01:47:38] <les> horizontals have some advantage..especially with splines and stuff
[01:48:50] <les> They need big motors to take advantage of it though.
[01:49:58] <gezr> well I could get a bp, and a horizontal head atatchement for it
[01:50:10] <les> yeah
[01:50:45] <gezr> over ebay I would spend 2k in shipping I bet
[01:50:51] <gezr> to finally get one parked,
[01:50:58] <les> It needs to be close.
[01:51:36] <gezr> oh my, a local machine shop folded 2 years ago, I didnt go to the auction, but I heard that the bp mills went for over 6k each
[01:51:58] <les> I moved a machine shop from Chicago to georgia...and it ain't fun...or cheap
[01:52:10] <les> 6k?
[01:52:13] <les> 2k.
[01:52:45] <les> unless brand new
[01:52:47] <gezr> http://dmcasting.en.alibaba.com/product/50004673/50255362/Machinery/Drilling_and_Milling_Machine.html
[01:52:54] <gezr> 6k, folks went bonkers
[01:53:02] <les> too much
[01:56:09] <les> 6k= vmc!
[01:56:49] <les> either that or it gets sent to china for scrap iron
[01:57:45] <gezr> http://cgi.ebay.com/Kearney-Trecker-525TF-Horizontal-Mill-From-Navy_W0QQitemZ7537244676QQcategoryZ12584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[01:57:49] <gezr> oh my
[01:58:45] <les> whoa haha
[01:58:53] <les> note the zero bids
[01:59:59] <gezr> yeah
[02:00:56] <les> bet that would chew some metal though
[02:01:42] <gezr> I guess thats just it, a machine that can cut will cut, some can just take a bigger bite
[02:02:39] <les> bet chips make a "clunk" sound when they fall down
[02:03:06] <les> I tried that on and old big Monarch lathe
[02:03:18] <les> steel turning like peeling an apple
[02:04:28] <les> It was 20" swing
[02:06:56] <paul_c> g'night
[02:06:59] <Jymmm> les : You can contract me to overlook your cnc production
[02:07:02] <gezr> Ive got to go to bed as well
[02:08:26] <les> haha well we acomplished something...put Paul to sleep...as well we should
[02:08:34] <les> 1:04 am over there
[02:08:35] <Jymmm> lol
[02:09:13] <les> and jymmm: not for the measly wages I pay
[02:09:15] <les> haha
[02:09:34] <Jymmm> see how you are =)
[02:10:05] <les> early to bed early to rise Gezr?
[02:10:25] <gezr> les : yeah, sucks, 10 hour days arnt fun
[02:10:32] <Jymmm> damn... this is being a bitch now =(
[02:10:39] <les> ?
[02:10:43] <gezr> ill debate the machine for another month
[02:11:03] <gezr> I dont have the money now, but its looking better then the other suff at this moment
[02:11:03] <Jymmm> I'm daring in Corel, but when I go out of corel, everything keeps bitching about splines
[02:11:11] <les> I do that too...I research and agonize a long time when I buy stuff
[02:11:12] <Jymmm> I'm drawing in Corel, but when I go out of corel, everything keeps bitching about splines
[02:11:23] <les> hmm
[02:11:42] <gezr> les : I just dont want to get a drill press with an xy table
[02:11:55] <gezr> maybe feeling one, would be best before purchasing
[02:11:55] <les> I spent several weeks researching tractors before I bought one
[02:12:03] <les> read thousands of posts
[02:12:24] <gezr> Jymmm : I dont know anything about corel
[02:12:38] <les> I use paint shop pro.
[02:13:02] <gezr> les : only time will tell, if it was easy to build machine tools the us would still be doing it
[02:13:06] <Jymmm> PS/PSP are both raster based, Corel/AutoCad,etc are vector based
[02:13:33] <les> my psp has vector
[02:13:45] <Jymmm> the problem is that I exprt from corel to DXF, but nothing is properly reading it.
[02:13:51] <les> oh
[02:13:54] <Jymmm> les : It's pseudo vector
[02:14:00] <les> really
[02:14:34] <Jymmm> les : Yeah, browse soem WMF/PS files then try and open one up, it'll ask for dimensions.
[02:14:46] <Jymmm> becaseu it's converting it from vector to raster.
[02:14:51] <les> hmmm yeah
[02:14:59] <Jymmm> I've used PSP since v3
[02:15:04] <les> right
[02:15:09] <SWP_Away> Corel + DXF = problems, in my experience
[02:15:29] <les> oh yeah?
[02:15:30] <Jymmm> SWP_Away I'm about to try PLT now
[02:15:36] <Jymmm> then maybe PS
[02:15:40] <SWP_Away> PLT?
[02:15:46] <Jymmm> HPGL
[02:15:46] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[02:15:50] <SWPadnos> ah
[02:15:58] <Jymmm> *.plt
[02:16:09] <SWPadnos> what version of Corel?
[02:16:16] <Jymmm> 12
[02:16:33] <SWPadnos> cool - I'm on rev 9, Professional Color Edition
[02:16:53] <Jymmm> I like corel becasue it has pages plus it can read/write a shitload of formats, including flash (swf) PDF, PS , CAD, etc
[02:17:09] <SWPadnos> I think it's the best drawing program in existence, actually
[02:17:16] <SWPadnos> it just isn't that great with DXFs
[02:17:25] <les> I prob ought to get it
[02:17:33] <les> too bad about dxf though
[02:17:55] <Jymmm> It can READ DXF no problem. But I can't confirm it WRITING DXF files
[02:18:06] <Jymmm> It could be my drawing as well.
[02:18:08] <les> a lot of my cam stuff starts off as dxf autocad
[02:18:11] <SWPadnos> I imported sone DXFs that had been saved in SolidWorks, and there were anomalies
[02:18:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos could be SW too.
[02:18:40] <SWPadnos> things like arcs not appearing, and every circle having two sets of centerlines
[02:18:48] <SWPadnos> could have been SW
[02:18:48] <les> oooh
[02:19:03] <SWPadnos> I also have CadMax, and it's almost as good as Corel with DXF :D
[02:19:06] <Jymmm> Oh... that. There's a bug in Corel that isn't closing circles prperly
[02:19:24] <SWPadnos> ful circles are OK, it's just partials that had problems
[02:19:27] <SWPadnos> full
[02:19:36] <Jymmm> even full circles have problems
[02:20:20] <SWPadnos> maybe they've "fixed" it since version 9
[02:20:30] <Jymmm> ah
[02:24:05] <Jymmm> les if you get a chance, you should check out Corel, it's really cool program.
[02:28:49] <Jymmm> les : Oh and btw.... Corel Corp BOUGHT Jasc, the makers of PSP =)
[02:29:27] <SWPadnos> you can download demos of their office suite - the same may be true for Draw!
[03:32:12] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[08:43:43] <Jacky^> anyone know if 8 wired unipolar stepper motorc an be connect to a bipolar driver ?
[13:41:00] <les> morning
[13:41:10] <les> (for me)
[13:41:24] <Jacky^> g mornig les :)
[13:41:37] <les> hi jacky
[13:42:19] <Jacky^> i'm tryng to PID axis tuning on my machine..
[13:42:40] <Jacky^> it seem take non effect on following error
[13:43:05] <les> Well it is a virtual servo you are tuning
[13:43:13] <Jacky^> I know
[13:43:16] <les> but still can fault on following error
[13:44:08] <Jacky^> i'm using steppers :\
[13:44:22] <Jacky^> max feedrate 480 mm/min
[13:44:42] <les> It would seemthat one set of pid values would work best on any step machine
[13:44:51] <les> I don't know what those are
[13:45:08] <les> because the virtual servo never changes
[13:45:25] <Jacky^> the hard limit should be the cpu: 900 mhz i think..
[13:45:34] <les> yes
[13:46:16] <Jacky^> i switched from isa parport to pci parport but get no better performance
[13:46:17] <les> I am just reading list messages about a g61 problem
[13:46:23] <les> I have not seen that
[13:47:24] <les> will have to test for it
[13:48:00] <les> well bbiaw breakfsat
[13:48:27] <Jacky^> have a nice brekfast
[14:25:40] <anonimasu> Fuzzbuggy: why is the way it spins important?
[14:29:31] <Jacky^> hello anonimasu
[14:32:23] <Jacky^> anonimasu: are you using a celeron 900 for emc ?
[14:34:26] <anonimasu> Jacky^: no, it's a 500
[14:34:57] <Jacky^> how much feedrate you get ?
[14:36:20] <anonimasu> about 2m/min while when gui is unusabel..
[14:36:30] <anonimasu> that's 640pulses per mm
[14:36:55] <Jacky^> wow
[14:36:58] <anonimasu> ?
[14:37:05] <Jacky^> cool
[14:37:09] <anonimasu> slow...
[14:37:25] <Jacky^> slow is the mine :\
[14:37:38] <Jacky^> stepper ?
[14:37:45] <anonimasu> heh
[14:37:46] <anonimasu> no
[14:38:01] <anonimasu> I'll be getting 7,5m per minute with the USC
[14:38:13] <Jacky^> ah..
[14:38:39] <Jacky^> i'm usilg a couple L297-L298 ..
[14:39:07] <Jacky^> i don't know the max limit for it
[14:39:19] <Jacky^> i want to do some test
[14:39:41] <anonimasu> that equals 0,000625 per step...
[14:39:43] <Jacky^> dou you think i can use oscilloscope for that ?
[14:40:02] <Jacky^> i've a 20 mhz analog scope
[14:40:02] <anonimasu> what is it you want to measure?
[14:40:28] <Jacky^> feedrate of axis
[14:40:52] <anonimasu> actually you dont measure your feedrate..
[14:40:54] <anonimasu> you calculate it..
[14:40:59] <Jacky^> without connect the stepper ..
[14:41:20] <anonimasu> you should still be able to calculate it.
[14:41:28] <Jacky^> i know..
[14:41:39] <anonimasu> does your scope have a frequency counter
[14:41:41] <anonimasu> ?
[14:41:50] <Jacky^> but why i get following error up to 480 mm/min ?
[14:42:01] <anonimasu> how many pulses per mm?
[14:42:16] <Jacky^> i think .. 20 us
[14:42:33] <Jacky^> don't know how much/min
[14:42:54] <Jacky^> period is 0.000020
[14:43:50] <Jacky^> i've a frequency counter..
[14:43:59] <Jacky^> but is for low frequency
[14:44:12] <Jacky^> 1 mhz
[14:45:20] <jepler_> the step frequency will be much lower than 1MHz, won't it?
[14:46:00] <Jacky^> then, it should work..
[14:46:40] <Jacky^> it can do 20 hz - 1mhz i think ..
[14:47:34] <Jacky^> if i understand well, in my case,
[14:47:54] <Jacky^> the driver of motor is just an amplifier
[14:48:01] <cradek> if your period is .00002 your step rate will obviously be under 50kHz
[14:48:25] <cradek> Jacky^: what are your SETUP_TIME and HOLD_TIME?
[14:48:35] <Jacky^> i can check..
[14:48:38] <Jacky^> a moment
[14:48:49] <cradek> Jacky^: those can waste lots of PERIODs
[14:50:03] <Jacky^> setup_time =2 hold_time = 3
[14:50:24] <cradek> change them both to 1
[14:50:34] <Jacky^> setup_time ?
[14:50:38] <cradek> 1
[14:50:41] <Jacky^> ok
[14:51:18] <les> hi chris and jeff
[14:51:25] <Jacky^> i'm going to test ..
[14:51:40] <les> wondering about the g61 thing
[14:52:07] <cradek> hi les
[14:52:37] <cradek> les: yeah, I was tempted to set my accel very low to get extra blending
[14:52:51] <cradek> les: but, I doubt my version of emc has the bug
[14:53:16] <cradek> les: the bug report wasn't very good - no sample code that shows the problem, no description of the emc version in use
[14:53:35] <les> in general I would say a g0 sholud never blend with other motion commands
[14:54:07] <Jacky^> 550 mm/min and get following error
[14:54:14] <cradek> Jacky^: so it's higher?
[14:54:19] <les> However we might have turned off the 90 degree exact stop only thing for G64
[14:54:38] <Jacky^> cradek: before was 480 mm/min
[14:55:04] <anonimasu> Jacky^: try increasing your ferror and min_ferror
[14:55:18] <Jacky^> ferror is 4 now
[14:55:24] <Jacky^> min_ferror 1
[14:55:40] <cradek> les: I don't think any moves with dot product <=0 should be blended
[14:55:41] <anonimasu> oh :/
[14:56:13] <cradek> les: consider all G1/2/3: down into a hole, around in a circle, back up
[14:56:30] <cradek> les: you don't cut the entire circle if you blend the first and last moves
[14:57:42] <anonimasu> bbl
[14:57:47] <Jacky^> i tried to use FF1 = 7.500 as suggested in some doc.. but it don't help me to get better performance :\
[14:58:03] <cradek> Jacky^: for steppers I think you want all the FF = 0
[14:58:21] <cradek> Jacky^: what step rate are you getting before the following error?
[14:58:43] <cradek> you said 550mm/min - how many steps per mm?
[14:59:04] <Jacky^> cradek: max 480 mm/min
[14:59:15] <cradek> how many steps/mm?
[14:59:22] <Jacky^> steps for mm ?
[14:59:28] <Jacky^> mmm :\
[14:59:43] <cradek> yes, how many steps/mm? what is the scale?
[14:59:48] <Jacky^> well my leadscrew is 6 mm pitch 1 mm
[14:59:57] <Jacky^> i'm using full step
[15:00:00] <cradek> what is OUTPUT_SCALE in the ini?
[15:00:08] <Jacky^> input scale = 200.000
[15:00:22] <Jacky^> output_scale = 200
[15:00:26] <Jacky^> too
[15:01:07] <cradek> that's only 1600 steps/sec
[15:01:22] <cradek> did you post your ini somewhere?
[15:01:37] <Jacky^> yeah.. give me a moment..
[15:05:36] <Jacky^> cradek: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VJNbcQ21.html
[15:06:46] <Jacky^> i come back setup_time to 2, because it seem have no effect..
[15:07:06] <Jacky^> i was tryng in axis 0
[15:08:08] <cradek> in AXIS_* set CYCLE_TIME to 0.0002
[15:09:18] <Jacky^> ok
[15:09:56] <cradek> also TRAJ CYCLE_TIME 0.0002
[15:10:15] <cradek> no, I take that back
[15:10:28] <cradek> just change AXIS_*
[15:10:41] <Jacky^> ok
[15:11:32] <cradek> in AXIS_1 you still have FF1 = 7, I have that at 0
[15:12:11] <cradek> your Y scale is different - do you have the problem worse on Y?
[15:12:50] <Jacky^> i've no idea :s
[15:12:59] <cradek> ok
[15:13:09] <Jacky^> i'm using same motor same ballscrew
[15:13:19] <cradek> maybe the SCALE is wrong then
[15:13:28] <Jacky^> but with 200.000 i get half
[15:13:38] <cradek> can you turn on and off microstepping in your drives?
[15:14:01] <Jacky^> i'm using l297-298 circuit
[15:14:10] <Jacky^> it can only switch half/full
[15:14:12] <cradek> they can half step or full step
[15:14:20] <cradek> make sure you have them set to half step
[15:14:34] <cradek> full step works badly
[15:14:47] <Jacky^> uhm :(
[15:15:16] <cradek> (but that's not the problem here)
[15:15:26] <Jacky^> yeah..
[15:15:49] <cradek> It seems like emc1 works badly if your scale is too small. Using mm units your scale of 200 is very small. But I haven't figured out why this happens.
[15:16:16] <Jacky^> it is small but i think right
[15:16:32] <jepler_> that's the problem that kept me from running my etch-a-sketch with emc (68 steps per inch)
[15:16:37] <Jacky^> because: leadscrew are 6mm 1 mm pitch
[15:17:21] <cradek> jepler_: I wonder if the root cause is the tp that seems to work differently at different velocities
[15:17:34] <cradek> by velocity I mean steps/time
[15:18:55] <jepler_> if you're halfstepping 1.8 degree motors on 1mm pitch screw, isn't it 400 steps per mm? 200 step/mm would be full-stepping.
[15:19:10] <cradek> yes
[15:19:21] <cradek> he apparently has some drivers set for half and some for full stepping
[15:19:37] <jepler_> oh, OK -- I haven't read everything
[15:19:55] <cradek> Jacky^: I think you should set them all to half-step and change your SCALES to 400 everywhere
[15:20:03] <cradek> Jacky^: it might help this problem
[15:20:18] <jepler_> it's too bad configuring emc is so much black magic
[15:20:22] <Jacky^> ok , thanks a lot
[15:20:24] <jepler_> it's almost as bad as getting axis to build
[15:20:30] <cradek> jepler_: no kidding
[15:20:30] <Jacky^> i'm going to try ..
[15:22:55] <Jacky^> pin 19 of L297 shoud be set to high for half step, let see..
[15:26:34] <cradek> if this does not fix it, I think you should try scaling everything by 10 (set up your ini as cm instead of mm), to get your scale up to 4000
[15:26:47] <cradek> I think that would be a very interesting experiment
[15:27:30] <jepler_> won't that give the same steps per time? if your theory about tp is right...
[15:27:33] <Jacky^> nice idea :) i will try
[15:27:59] <cradek> jepler_: hmm
[15:28:15] <Jacky^> now scale is 400, half, but i always get following error up to 480 mm/min
[15:29:19] <cradek> Jacky^: ok, so it didn't help
[15:29:56] <cradek> Jacky^: please set your UNITS to 0.1 and SCALEs to 4000, VELOCITYs to 1.0, ACCELERATIONs to 2.0 (scale everything by 10 appropriately)
[15:30:12] <Jacky^> ok
[15:30:23] <cradek> (be sure to save your old ini!)
[15:30:27] <Jacky^> sure..
[15:30:34] <Jacky^> i made a copy
[15:35:40] <Jacky^> cradek: it seem more fast now
[15:35:49] <Jacky^> but i get an error msg:
[15:36:18] <Jacky^> non standart lenght units setting interpreter to mm
[15:36:29] <cradek> ugh!
[15:36:41] <Jacky^> the axis 0 seem more fast
[15:36:58] <cradek> does that mean you can go faster than 480mm/min now?
[15:37:11] <cradek> if this works, you should try an inch config
[15:37:12] <Jacky^> the scale is changed..
[15:37:19] <cradek> you can still use mm in the gui
[15:37:27] <Jacky^> so 60 apper on the right
[15:37:38] <Jacky^> 60 are cm ?
[15:37:48] <cradek> I don't know
[15:37:57] <cradek> I think maybe you should try inches
[15:38:05] <cradek> you can still use mm in the gui
[15:38:35] <Jacky^> what,instead, if i install emc2 ?
[15:38:55] <Jacky^> same thing ?
[15:40:24] <Jacky^> it should be 60 cm/min now
[15:40:32] <Jacky^> no following error ..
[15:40:54] <Jacky^> i'm going to increase velocity on ini file
[15:42:45] <Jacky^> wow !
[15:42:54] <Jacky^> cradeck .. turbo axis :P
[15:43:20] <Jacky^> how can the units influence axis speed ? :\
[15:44:16] <Jacky^> work in inches for me is hard ..
[15:53:59] <cradek> you can still work in mm
[15:54:03] <cradek> just set the mm gcode
[15:54:24] <cradek> so did you go to inches in the ini?
[15:54:35] <Jacky^> not yet..
[15:54:55] <Jacky^> but i never seen my machine so fast before !
[15:55:06] <cradek> if you use a fully inch ini, you can use mm for your gcode
[15:55:09] <cradek> that's great
[15:55:23] <Jacky^> ah..
[15:55:24] <cradek> I think it also means there is a bug in emc regarding SCALE
[15:55:48] <Jacky^> this mean i can always work on mm by cad side ?
[15:55:54] <cradek> yes
[15:55:56] <Jacky^> nice
[15:56:00] <cradek> only the ini is in inches
[15:56:02] <Jacky^> thanks a lot :)
[15:56:11] <Jacky^> understood
[15:56:54] <cradek> you may have to program G21 to switch to mm
[15:57:16] <Jacky^> right, i know..
[15:57:29] <jepler_> it's a good idea to do it even if you don't need it on your machine
[15:57:44] <cradek> that's true
[15:58:13] <jepler_> int tpSetAout(TP_STRUCT *tp, unsigned char index, double start, double end)
[15:58:13] <jepler_> {
[15:58:13] <jepler_> /* FIXME-- unimplemented due to large size required for doubles */
[15:58:13] <jepler_> return 0;
[15:58:13] <jepler_> }
[15:58:31] <cradek> jepler_: don't make me cry
[15:58:34] <Jacky^> jepler_: i'm working on wood and i was having low axis vel issue
[15:58:51] <Jacky^> all tools burned :\
[15:59:22] <Jacky^> missed chipload
[16:00:58] <Jacky^> 30000 rpm vs 480 mm/min = tool burned after few minuts
[16:01:41] <cradek> wow, I wish I had 30,000 rpm
[16:02:03] <cradek> but my spindle bearings would catch on fire or something
[16:03:20] <les> got your speed up jacky?
[16:04:04] <Jacky^> les yeah
[16:04:10] <les> how fast?
[16:04:33] <Jacky^> les i changed the units to 0.1
[16:04:48] <Jacky^> i'm not sure about vel yet..
[16:05:03] <Jacky^> but axis speed is at lest x3 now
[16:05:30] <Jacky^> i'm tuning current in motors
[16:05:44] <les> 1500 or so? that should help the burning a good bit
[16:05:52] <Jacky^> yeah..
[16:05:52] <cradek> les: apparently something in emc doesn't tolerate low SCALEs
[16:06:02] <les> So I gather
[16:06:03] <cradek> les: I've suspected it for a while, and I think we proved it today
[16:06:11] <les> yup
[16:06:17] <Jacky^> :)
[16:06:45] <les> oh just saw dave's post...he says he now remembers the g61 thing before the tp mod
[16:06:46] <les> hmm
[16:08:05] <les> wow look at all the graphs Paul just posted
[16:09:06] <cradek> I have no idea what they represent!
[16:11:00] <cradek> but davee's plots sure show improvement
[16:11:37] <les> yes I don't know what I am seeing here....
[16:11:43] <cradek> yeah I don't either
[16:13:42] <les> Well, better get on autocad. Just got a little sign order. Foam. 25x50. $600
[16:14:21] <cradek> 25x50"?
[16:14:25] <les> yeah
[16:14:35] <les> just a little one
[16:14:51] <cradek> 50c/sq-in? wow
[16:14:57] <cradek> people must really like your signs
[16:15:26] <les> Jymmm would like to hear stuff like that...since he wants to make signs
[16:15:39] <les> I try to do a nice job
[16:15:54] <les> use auto acrylic enamel...very durable
[16:16:52] <les> I don't do that many....yoo busy. Like to work in a few though.
[16:17:19] <les> It is a problem when we are in turkey call production though...hate to break setup.
[16:18:58] <les> But I hope to cut back machine time on the calls at least half...perhaps more
[16:19:12] <les> Because now I can go at high speed
[16:19:24] <les> have to buy a new spindle though.
[16:19:40] <cradek> so you have marked improvement in motion smoothness?
[16:19:58] <les> VERY dramatic
[16:20:06] <cradek> great!
[16:20:10] <les> yeah!
[16:20:34] <cradek> I'm glad we started the fight about whether arcs were blended
[16:21:01] <les> It was a good example of the group working the problem
[16:21:17] <cradek> yay for open source
[16:21:28] <les> yeah!
[16:22:02] <cradek> I still haven't succeeded at making my pulley properly... I'm going to try again
[16:22:12] <les> I think I can prob cut at 300-400 now
[16:22:22] <cradek> 400 ipm?
[16:22:25] <les> accel perhaps 100
[16:22:27] <les> yeah
[16:22:37] <cradek> cool, I'd like to see that
[16:22:37] <les> max rapid is 600
[16:23:11] <cradek> takes 4 seconds to get up to speed??
[16:23:16] <les> I was limited to usually cutting at 120 or so before...any more and the machine would shake to pieces
[16:23:46] <les> let's see...
[16:23:48] <cradek> oh accel is i/ss, not i/mm
[16:23:53] <les> right
[16:24:20] <les> 100 is about .27g
[16:24:35] <cradek> to 400ipm in .06 sec
[16:24:38] <cradek> that's more like it
[16:24:53] <les> yeah. It is quick.
[16:25:32] <les> I designed my machine for 0.5 g (50% derate) but you want to run as low as possible to get the job done
[16:25:36] <cradek> I still don't like the surges that are there with colinear lines... I wish I was smart enough to fix it
[16:26:08] <cradek> but it looks like it's "good enough" now
[16:26:08] <les> simple math...not simple code.
[16:26:27] <les> It is good enough for me to keep emc
[16:27:50] <les> My machine is a compromise wood/metal...so I have only 0.2 lead ballscrews on it
[16:28:28] <les> If I find I am never doing metal I need to chenge the screws out to 0.5 pitch
[16:29:06] <cradek> that would give you less speed and more power?
[16:29:19] <les> that would give 75% of critical speed at 1500 ips
[16:29:44] <cradek> I wonder how Jacky^ is doing on his inch config
[16:29:49] <les> Force now is 2200 lb peak
[16:29:59] <les> don't need that for wood only
[16:29:59] <cradek> holy crap
[16:30:10] <les> heh
[16:30:16] <cradek> don't need that for anything except towing a car
[16:30:54] <les> most of it is simply to accel iron...not to cut
[16:31:02] <cradek> yeah
[16:31:06] <cradek> no tool can handle that, can it?
[16:31:18] <les> because the effective mass of x axis is about 500 kG
[16:31:44] <les> Naw, it's jut there to get good accel
[16:32:08] <les> x can do 1g max
[16:32:21] <les> y can do about 5
[16:32:26] <les> z 10
[16:33:04] <les> But I really don't need that much for usual cutting
[16:33:19] <les> I use as low as possible
[16:33:32] <les> 10 g is really violent...hard on bearings
[16:34:36] <les> A far cry from being limited to 0.1g before the tp fix!
[16:36:44] <les> A lot of the reason for such High torque was thermal, not kinematic
[16:37:13] <les> They just loaf at ordinary speeds
[16:37:25] <les> which is good for a production machine
[16:37:44] <cradek> brb
[16:38:46] <les> k
[16:45:07] <les> oh looking at my todo list I need to order tires for the work truck
[16:45:29] <les> Gonna go up from 235/70 to 255/70
[16:45:54] <les> one part in 30 speedo error if I don't flash the engine controller?
[16:54:55] <cradek> remember you lose power too because your gearing is worse
[16:55:11] <cradek> but you might save gas on the higway (unless your truck is underpowered to start with)
[16:55:53] <les> well I have a v8 in it
[16:56:27] <les> I was going to change out the rear axle for more towing
[16:56:49] <les> but you know I think I will just keep it low with the current gas prices
[16:57:01] <cradek> yeah
[16:57:27] <cradek> and you don't want bigger tires if it was already geared too high for you
[16:57:31] <les> I think 30" vs 29 will be almost undetectable anyway
[16:58:06] <anonimasu> hm yeah
[16:58:44] <cradek> why do you want the bigger tires?
[16:59:02] <anonimasu> more ground clearance perhaps..
[16:59:10] <cradek> 1/2"?
[16:59:23] <les> a little more width....
[16:59:50] <cradek> you do know that wider tires are worse, not better, in snow?
[17:00:03] <cradek> not sure about mud
[17:00:15] <les> oh yes, having lived in Chicago 20 years
[17:00:37] <les> but here...no salt, no plows, mountain roads
[17:01:01] <les> so when it snows nobody is going anywhere,,,in any vehicle
[17:01:24] <cradek> snowshoes?
[17:01:29] <cradek> snowmobile?
[17:01:32] <les> just about
[17:01:48] <les> 10 % grades are common
[17:01:55] <les> in fact everywhere
[17:02:14] <les> you just don't go out.
[17:02:21] <cradek> I guess not
[17:02:31] <les> But it snows little here
[17:02:47] <les> one year we got 20 inches and that was unusual
[17:02:55] <les> some years none
[17:08:33] <paul_c> * paul_c curses Dave....
[17:23:44] <Jacky^> 2,1 A/phase on motor label mean max current the motor will take ?
[17:24:45] <cradek> I think that's the maximum for steady state
[17:24:49] <Jacky^> should i multiply that value x phases ?
[17:25:05] <cradek> no, because only one or two phases are on at at time
[17:25:19] <Jacky^> cradek: ok, thanks
[17:25:49] <cradek> so your power supply should be able to supply 2 phases * number of motors * 2.1A
[17:26:20] <Jacky^> yeah.. PS should be enouhg..
[17:26:33] <cradek> of course you might set your choppers lower than 2.1A
[17:26:43] <Jacky^> i'm tuning current on controller by a trimmer..
[17:26:48] <cradek> right
[17:26:53] <Jacky^> it has a test point
[17:27:02] <Jacky^> to measure voltage
[17:27:49] <Jacky^> where, on testpoint 1,8 A = 0,90 V
[17:28:12] <Jacky^> the strange thing is that i i set so, the motor don't spin
[17:28:26] <cradek> you must have .5 ohm sense resistors
[17:28:31] <Jacky^> probably, current depend also on voltage PS
[17:28:55] <cradek> this is just the steady state voltage. It should not affect your maximum rotation speed
[17:29:06] <cradek> since at high speed, the chopper is not operating
[17:30:57] <Jacky^> well its not optimal, but i reached a good axis vel
[17:31:19] <Jacky^> about 70 cm/min
[17:31:35] <cradek> great, that's about what I get
[17:31:47] <Jacky^> these motors are unipolar, bipolar should have better performance i think..
[17:31:51] <cradek> you will probably have to reduce PERIOD to go faster
[17:32:00] <cradek> right, bipolar is better
[17:32:16] <cradek> are they 6 wire or 8 wire? If they are 8 you can run the windings in parallel
[17:32:22] <Jacky^> under 0.000020 it was crashing
[17:32:29] <Jacky^> 6 wired
[17:32:33] <cradek> darn
[17:33:01] <cradek> you may be at your maximum speed then
[17:33:15] <Jacky^> yeah
[17:33:18] <Jacky^> :)
[17:34:36] <Jacky^> i'm using 6 wire motors, but i also tried another model i've
[17:34:40] <Jacky^> 8 wired
[17:35:03] <Jacky^> it run, but i think current isnt enough
[17:35:17] <cradek> did you put the windings in parallel or series?
[17:35:23] <Jacky^> 4,7 A/phase
[17:35:43] <Jacky^> i'm not sure about winding..
[17:37:17] <Jacky^> i tried this : http://www.piclist.com/techref/io/stepper/wires.htm
[17:38:29] <Jacky^> i think it's series
[17:39:50] <cradek> which picture?
[17:40:44] <Jacky^> it seem ther's no picture about the winding i made..
[17:40:50] <Jacky^> anyway:
[17:41:18] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10emc/src/emcmot/tp.c:
[17:41:18] <CIA-9> Completed tc's are being counted twice... This looks like it might be the cause
[17:41:18] <CIA-9> of premature blends - Empirical plot data suggests it is. Once sufficient
[17:41:18] <CIA-9> testing has been conducted, OLD_CODE def'd chunks can be removed - Keeping them
[17:41:18] <CIA-9> for the moment makes it easier to conduct back to back tests.
[17:41:50] <Jacky^> i've 8 wire: red red-white, orange orange-white, and so on ..
[17:42:22] <Jacky^> red-white and orange-white wired togheter
[17:42:42] <Jacky^> red - orange is AA
[17:42:58] <Jacky^> the same for other couples
[17:43:03] <cradek> that sounds like series
[17:43:04] <Jacky^> only the color change
[17:43:06] <cradek> did the motor turn?
[17:43:10] <Jacky^> yeah.. serie
[17:43:21] <Jacky^> it turn but slow
[17:43:23] <cradek> it sounds like you may have the coils working opposite instead of together
[17:43:36] <Jacky^> parallel could be better ?
[17:43:42] <cradek> yes
[17:43:50] <Jacky^> i want to try :)
[17:44:11] <cradek> maybe (red,orange) and (red-white,orange-white)
[17:44:24] <Jacky^> yeah
[17:46:40] <cradek> lunchtime, be back in 1.5hr
[17:47:38] <Jacky^> cradek: G launch
[17:55:53] <paul_c> Well.... That little change improved premature blending on G61, but added some unpleasant "noise" to G64 blends.
[18:02:32] <ve7it> ve7it is now known as LawrenceG
[18:04:36] <paul_c> Ho hum... Need to take a closer look at tcRunCycle...
[18:22:03] <Jymmm> Well, I just bought a laptop
[18:23:40] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm congrats
[18:23:47] <Jacky^> wich laptop ?
[18:24:18] <Jymmm> Jacky^: I don't know! LOL It's a 'I' Series IBM ThinkPad
[18:24:27] <Jacky^> good
[18:24:41] <Jymmm> I think it's a 366MHz Celeron
[18:24:51] <Jacky^> nice
[18:24:59] <Jacky^> will u use it for emc ?
[18:25:09] <Jymmm> batteyr *may not work* but for $50 you can't beat it.
[18:25:26] <Jacky^> :)
[18:25:37] <Jymmm> Yeah, that's the reason I'm getting it for controller.
[18:25:47] <Jymmm> no need to carry around a 15" monitor
[18:26:00] <Jacky^> right..
[18:26:28] <Jacky^> especially if is crt!
[18:26:36] <Jymmm> exactly
[18:33:09] <paul_c> Hrmm.... That looks much better
[18:33:42] <Jymmm> paul_c: you took the hem out of your skirt?
[18:34:43] <Inverted> has anyone had any experience with any of the QuickCircuit machines from T-Tech?
[18:37:09] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10emc/src/emcmot/tp.c: This is probably the culprit, not the previous commit.. Plot data looks way, way better..
[18:37:16] <paul_c> * paul_c -> fooood
[18:43:56] <les> paul just read your list posts
[18:44:21] <les> g61 better but g64 worse?
[18:44:44] <les> Might need to wait on that one since I never use g61
[18:50:12] <Jymmm> Mornin Les
[18:54:12] <paul_c> G61 & G64 much improved...
[18:55:38] <paul_c> Had some unpleasant spikes after the first change, but they have gone now.
[18:59:04] <Jacky^> nice 3D model : http://www.tour-eiffel.fr/teiffel/uk/ludique/visite/3D/index_comp.html
[18:59:49] <les> both improved with the second change?
[19:01:43] <les> the repeated flag thing in tpruncycle90?
[19:01:58] <les> tpruncycle()
[19:02:08] <les> (use shift key!!!)
[19:07:12] <paul_c> not so much a flag as a count of queued moves to delete
[19:08:02] <les> sounds like you did a little more since just the repeat flag
[19:08:13] <les> I can't see it for 24 hrs I guess
[19:08:34] <paul_c> not really...
[19:09:02] <paul_c> And it looks like SF have got the anon checkouts synced much quicker...
[19:09:07] <les> well that's ok....money flow day....invoicing and then buying stuff
[19:09:12] <paul_c> might only be a couple of hours.
[19:09:17] <les> oh good
[19:09:38] <les> just tp.c again right?
[19:11:33] <paul_c> yup.
[19:12:17] <les> k
[19:22:54] <Jymmm> paul_c That's really nice of les to buy us all presents today, isn;t it?
[19:23:36] <les> huh?
[19:23:38] <les> haha
[19:24:22] <les> hey jymmm...got a word of mouth sign order this morning....25x50" foam. $600.
[19:25:03] <les> just duplicating an old painted sign
[19:25:13] <les> so snapped a dig picture
[19:25:23] <les> tracing it now in vector
[19:26:14] <Jymmm> LOL.... Image it's Christmas Day... the whole family is gathered around the tree, the kids have already opened up theri presents and you wife hands you her present to you.... You open it and it's high precision ballscrews!!!! all the other family that flew in are looking at the gift with a strange expression on their faces!lol
[19:30:52] <Jacky^> :))
[19:36:30] <paul_c> Jymmm: In the words of the great Scrooge.... "Bah, humbug".
[19:40:07] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10emc/src/emcmot/tp.c: Ooops... Errant #ifdef left behind..
[19:47:56] <les> damn
[19:48:01] <les> another storm!!!
[19:48:13] <les> my ups battery is shot too
[19:54:14] <les_away> Congo is scared of thunder and ran in the shop when I opened the door
[19:54:27] <les_away> of course his chicken followed him
[19:55:53] <les_away> So i'm logging off the cnc computer and this chicken is perched up there watching
[19:55:53] <les_away> pretty silly
[19:56:02] <alex_joni> good evening
[19:56:22] <paul_c> of course, I blame Alex...
[19:56:34] <les_away> haha
[19:56:39] <alex_joni> of course you do
[19:56:43] <Jymmm> lol @ ebenezer paul_c
[19:56:50] <alex_joni> what did I do now?
[19:56:53] <alex_joni> *g*
[19:57:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has some nice pics ;)
[19:57:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni Well if you don't know.......
[19:57:21] <paul_c> alex_joni: http:/
[19:57:27] <Jymmm> les : Not too shabby on the WOM job =)
[19:57:36] <paul_c> http:/
[19:57:56] <paul_c> * paul_c tries a third time...
[19:58:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands paul_c a get out of jail free card
[19:58:43] <paul_c> Jymmm: They gotta catch and take me alive first.
[19:58:52] <alex_joni> wot's wrong with the first try?
[19:59:32] <paul_c> idunno....
[19:59:51] <Jymmm> paul_c: As the old saying goes.... You can't outrun a motorola! =)
[20:01:12] <paul_c> * paul_c watches the bandwidth disappear as .ro sucks down da web.
[20:01:29] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/positioner/
[20:01:37] <Jymmm> damn Romanian's!
[20:01:41] <alex_joni> I just loaded the html
[20:02:02] <alex_joni> if THAT sucks your bandwidth.. then I suggest upgrading to dial-up
[20:02:08] <paul_c> and now Little Rock, Ar.
[20:02:08] <Jymmm> lol
[20:02:42] <Jymmm> or at leat get a new roll of string paul_c
[20:02:43] <Jacky^> hello
[20:02:58] <Jacky^> alex_joni: better with smoke signals
[20:03:16] <Jymmm> TCP/MC
[20:03:17] <alex_joni> Jacky^: tell that paul_c
[20:04:15] <Jymmm> but in paul_c's case, instead of smoke signals, it be fog.
[20:05:09] <paul_c> * paul_c throws Jymmm's fags on the fire...
[20:06:06] <Jymmm> * Jymmm bills paul_c $37.43 USD
[20:06:34] <paul_c> that's like... umm.. ten quid.
[20:06:51] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/positioner/Resize%20of%20HPIM5891.JPG
[20:07:17] <paul_c> alex_joni: You'll never get that in the boot.
[20:07:40] <Jymmm> lol
[20:08:07] <Jymmm> paul_c: Sure he will... he has one of those Acme shrink buttons!
[20:09:21] <anonimasu> I found a pic of alex!
[20:09:30] <alex_joni> paul_c: what boot?
[20:09:33] <Jymmm> paul_c but see, he just CNC the car
[20:09:43] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Brits call a car trunk a 'boot'
[20:10:28] <Inverted_> teaching myself to mill a pcb has been quite an undertaking
[20:11:20] <alex_joni> brits are funny ;)
[20:11:27] <cradek> Inverted_: are you new here?
[20:11:31] <cradek> argh
[20:11:33] <alex_joni> anonimasu: really?
[20:11:44] <anonimasu> yes :)
[20:11:44] <alex_joni> cradek: the other Inverted quit
[20:11:51] <alex_joni> anonimasu: wot's that?
[20:12:09] <anonimasu> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/positioner/Resize%20of%20HPIM5905.JPG
[20:13:05] <Inverted_> cradek: yes, first time to be here. i stumbled across linuxcnc today. i was searching google for a way to try and get this used pcb mill working
[20:13:20] <cradek> Inverted_: cool. I mill PCBs with emc too
[20:13:22] <anonimasu> nice
[20:13:34] <cradek> Inverted_: but on a regular milling machine, not a specialized machine
[20:14:40] <Inverted_> i have an older quickcircuit 7000 machine from t-tech.com, the manual is dated 96
[20:14:50] <cradek> Inverted_: our online support (here) makes up for our terrible documentation, so if you decide to do this, be sure to ask if you get stuck
[20:15:10] <Inverted_> the software is rather old and the hardware key wasn't included so im stuck looking for alternatives
[20:15:16] <cradek> ahh
[20:15:21] <cradek> I wondered what was wrong with the original controller
[20:15:26] <cradek> does it use stepper motors?
[20:16:14] <Inverted_> yes
[20:16:23] <alex_joni> anonimasu: like it?
[20:16:28] <anonimasu> the rotary table yes
[20:16:31] <anonimasu> :)
[20:16:55] <Inverted_> well the actual controller software doesn't require a key, but the isolation software does. but it is rather basic, written in 94
[20:16:55] <cradek> argh, the t-tech idiots won't even let me see the machine specs without my name and address
[20:17:04] <cradek> and phone number and email
[20:17:35] <Jymmm> cradek try nobody@example.com/password
[20:17:47] <cradek> the Z axis is a soleniod. You could use a coordinated digital output to run it
[20:17:54] <cradek> we have that
[20:18:05] <alex_joni> anonimasu: relax, I was talking about the rotary table ;)
[20:18:24] <anonimasu> :)
[20:18:58] <anonimasu> I'd love to have that table + robot ;)
[20:19:06] <alex_joni> heh.. wanna see some more pics?
[20:19:09] <anonimasu> I could weld.. hm usless stuff
[20:19:09] <anonimasu> :D
[20:19:21] <cradek> Inverted_: do you know what kind of input is used to drive the steppers?
[20:19:21] <Inverted_> cradek: here is some basic info http://www.t-tech.com/products/upload/T-Tech%20Brochure.pdf
[20:19:31] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that'd be nice
[20:19:42] <alex_joni> anonimasu: put one more up there
[20:19:48] <Inverted_> the mill is connected to a controller box by a db25
[20:20:07] <Inverted_> then the controller box goes via rs232 to the pc
[20:20:34] <cradek> it's serial? uh-oh
[20:20:43] <alex_joni> you could probably control it directly by parport
[20:20:50] <cradek> maybe so
[20:20:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni suspects the box to be a rs232/parport adapter
[20:21:03] <cradek> but without the original software to run it, it will be more challenging to reverse-engineer
[20:21:20] <alex_joni> probably some pulse generation inside
[20:21:21] <cradek> alex_joni: it could be any of the realtime system/interpreter/stepper driver
[20:21:27] <alex_joni> right
[20:21:34] <Inverted_> cradek: i have the original software to control it, it works fine, it was the isolation software that required the hardware key i don't have
[20:21:35] <alex_joni> driver might be separate
[20:22:16] <cradek> Inverted_: what will you use for isolation software if you use emc for the controller?
[20:22:23] <cradek> Inverted_: (I use Eagle)
[20:22:46] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/positioner/Resize%20of%20HPIM5896.JPG
[20:22:53] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/positioner/Resize%20of%20HPIM5897.JPG
[20:23:43] <Inverted_> ive used Eagle for a schematic, but not for isolation. i had tried the demo from lpkf of their CircuitCam, but if Eagle does isolation as well I will just use it because i prefer working with Linux
[20:24:10] <anonimasu> alex_joni: tidy :)
[20:24:42] <cradek> Inverted_: you should put your scope on the box's output and see if you can figure out if you have step/dir or phase outputs or something else entirely there
[20:24:53] <alex_joni> anonimasu: ty
[20:25:01] <cradek> Inverted_: armed with that information, we can help
[20:25:40] <cradek> Inverted_: you probably have home switches somewhere too I bet
[20:27:19] <alex_joni> anonimasu: so.. how about that robot&table ?
[20:27:23] <alex_joni> said you want one too ;)
[20:27:29] <anonimasu> yeah :D
[20:27:38] <alex_joni> * alex_joni figures 6-8 weeks
[20:27:39] <anonimasu> but I dont want to pay for one ;)
[20:27:47] <alex_joni> too bad :)
[20:27:52] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:28:32] <alex_joni> will think of you if I'll have a left-over someday
[20:28:33] <alex_joni> =))
[20:29:49] <anonimasu> lol :D
[20:29:50] <anonimasu> great!
[20:30:09] <anonimasu> I'd like to have a robot pick and place parts for the mill/place the mill around.. ;)
[20:30:18] <anonimasu> s/place/throw :D
[20:30:50] <alex_joni> robot pick and throw parts for the mill/throw the mill around
[20:31:14] <anonimasu> can you geyeah ;)
[20:31:19] <anonimasu> err wrong place
[20:33:16] <Jymmm> robocoaster is cool =)
[20:34:47] <Jymmm> http://www.robocoaster.com/english/galerie.html#
[20:35:02] <Jymmm> click the '1' '2' or '3' for video
[20:35:04] <alex_joni> yeah Jymmm
[20:35:13] <alex_joni> kuka ;)
[20:35:21] <alex_joni> wouldn't wanna be there when a bug kicks in :)
[20:35:27] <anonimasu> yep
[20:35:27] <Jymmm> lol
[20:35:39] <anonimasu> runaway q axis
[20:35:50] <Jymmm> that was an AWESOME way to demo their products I think.
[20:35:55] <anonimasu> WHAM!
[20:37:02] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what was?
[20:37:16] <Jymmm> the coaster
[20:37:16] <alex_joni> it's not a demo, it's a comercial product
[20:37:38] <Jymmm> I mean any mfg of robotics.... they could demo it like that.
[20:37:47] <Jymmm> like a robot welder machine mfg
[20:37:48] <alex_joni> heh
[20:37:54] <alex_joni> mfg?
[20:38:00] <Jymmm> manufacture
[20:38:03] <Jymmm> r
[20:38:11] <alex_joni> why mfg?
[20:38:19] <Jymmm> that's the abbr
[20:38:28] <alex_joni> stupid ;)
[20:38:33] <alex_joni> us style :D
[20:38:46] <alex_joni> no offence :)
[20:39:15] <Jymmm> how do you abbr it?
[20:39:22] <alex_joni> I don't
[20:39:27] <Jymmm> there ya go
[20:39:40] <alex_joni> only you guys are fond of 'abbr's :))
[20:40:26] <Jymmm> damn right
[20:40:52] <alex_joni> right
[20:41:28] <cradek> mfg is an abbr for ManuFacturinG
[20:41:43] <Jymmm> goony goo goo
[20:42:18] <alex_joni> cradek: :)
[20:50:02] <A-L-P-H-A> .
[20:50:05] <A-L-P-H-A> hey folks.
[20:50:06] <Jymmm> .-
[20:50:29] <Jymmm> . .- - -- . .-.-.-
[20:50:33] <alex_joni> 'lo A-L-P-H-A
[20:50:49] <Jymmm> hola A-L-P-H-A
[20:51:39] <Jymmm> this really stinks.... I can't find a ext 3.5" case with an internal PS (locally) =(
[20:58:35] <alex_joni> Jymmm: buy one USB powered
[20:59:13] <Jymmm> alex_joni: You can for 2.5", but not for 3.5"
[20:59:22] <alex_joni> why not?
[20:59:25] <alex_joni> seen some ;)
[20:59:34] <alex_joni> but powered from 2 USB's
[20:59:55] <alex_joni> I have an 5.25"
[20:59:59] <Jymmm> kinda defeats the purpose as some LT's dont have two ports.
[21:03:59] <alex_joni> there he goes again
[21:04:04] <alex_joni> what's a LT?
[21:04:10] <Jymmm> LapTop
[21:04:29] <alex_joni> omg
[21:04:37] <alex_joni> you need to abbr laptop ?
[21:04:37] <Jymmm> there YOU go too!
[21:04:50] <alex_joni> yeah.. it's catchy
[21:06:29] <cradek> I lrnd to typ so I dnt nd to abbr
[21:06:54] <alex_joni> u c y I dnt like it 2
[21:07:22] <Jymmm> there is a big difference between abbr and alex_joni's aolbonics
[21:07:37] <cradek> heh aolbonics
[21:07:51] <alex_joni> why not abncs ?
[21:08:15] <alex_joni> then you're sure noone knows what you're talking about
[21:08:47] <Jymmm> alex_joni you're the only one having problems with it =)
[21:08:58] <alex_joni> me? nah.. I'm good
[21:09:06] <alex_joni> just spending time
[21:09:10] <alex_joni> as in .. wasting ;)
[21:09:16] <Jymmm> ok, or are being a PITA about it then =)
[21:10:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni: and before you ask.... PITA == alex_joni | Pain In The Ass
[21:10:31] <alex_joni> ok.. I'll stop ;)
[21:10:43] <Jymmm> =)
[21:10:45] <alex_joni> just wanted to get you a feeling about others beeing PITA's
[21:11:17] <Jymmm> oh... well for that my response is usually this....
[21:11:19] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[21:11:19] <Red70sShow> DUMBASS -----> alex_joni <----- DUMBASS
[21:11:19] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[21:11:29] <alex_joni> heh.. seen that coming ;)
[21:11:50] <Jymmm> Now, if they are being a prick, then....
[21:11:59] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[21:12:00] <MrAsshole> * MrAsshole shits on alex_joni
[21:12:03] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[21:12:08] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10emc/src/emcmot/tp.c: damit... Appear to have lost part of the original fix during the last round of edits..
[21:12:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni resents that
[21:13:32] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Why? Were you being a prick?
[21:14:06] <Jymmm> dont take it out of context =)
[21:14:23] <paul_c> Jymmm & alex_joni ... Now... be nice to each other...
[21:14:36] <Jymmm> paul_c "He started it!" lol
[21:14:41] <cradek> Jymmm: quit being an ass already.
[21:14:46] <paul_c> Hugs all round..
[21:15:05] <alex_joni> paul_c: it's not fair...
[21:15:10] <alex_joni> I didn't do anything
[21:15:11] <alex_joni> :((
[21:15:17] <Jymmm> lol @ alex_joni
[21:15:21] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[21:16:26] <alex_joni> one more chance, logger_aj is back, now behave
[21:17:30] <logger_aj> * logger_aj is logging
[21:17:37] <Jymmm> lol
[21:18:18] <Jymmm> well, they're shipping my machien to me this afternoon
[21:18:27] <alex_joni> nice
[21:18:33] <alex_joni> at least something nice
[21:18:43] <alex_joni> made robin_sz lose his bet
[21:18:56] <alex_joni> cradek: note I did spell lose correctly, I think ;)
[21:19:02] <Jymmm> Well, till I see it with my own eyes...
[21:23:05] <Jymmm> Now it has linear rails on all axis, ballscrews on XY with 2:1 gearing, and acme leadscrew on Z, direct.
[21:23:38] <alex_joni> sounds ok
[21:24:00] <Jymmm> he "SAID" he got 135IPM on my steppers, but I don't know his config.
[21:24:22] <Jymmm> alex_joni (config==configuration)
[21:24:54] <alex_joni> Jymmm: no sh*t.. I always wondered what that stands for
[21:25:08] <Jymmm> alex_joni payback is a bitch, aint it =)
[21:25:14] <alex_joni> how about IPM?
[21:25:42] <paul_c> alex_joni: or m/min ?
[21:25:57] <alex_joni> m/min is OK
[21:26:07] <alex_joni> those are actually in a standard ;)
[21:26:40] <Jymmm> alex_joni nm on the IPM, I can't think of anythign smartass for that one atm.
[21:26:57] <alex_joni> yeah.. I just came back from the atm
[21:27:04] <alex_joni> had to withdraw some cash
[21:27:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni : ok, what does the 'RS' in 'RS-232' stand for?
[21:28:22] <alex_joni> how should I know? I'm not the one doing the abbr.. you are, you should know :)
[21:28:58] <alex_joni> but if you really wanna know (RS=Recomended Standard)
[21:30:01] <alex_joni> In telecommunications,TIA 232 (formerly EIA-232 ,formerly EIA RS-232) is a standard for serial binary data interconnection between a DTE and a DCE. A similar ITU-T standard is V.24.
[21:30:21] <alex_joni> talk about abbr's
[21:30:50] <alex_joni> but enough for today..
[21:31:07] <alex_joni> was nice talking to you *g*
[21:31:08] <alex_joni> night
[21:31:21] <alex_joni> everyone else: sorry bout that ;)
[21:33:36] <Jacky^> is it true that a stepper can be damaged just opening them ?
[21:34:02] <Jymmm> Jacky^: Do you just want to see what's inside of one?
[21:34:13] <Jacky^> no, o know..
[21:34:19] <Jymmm> ok, nm
[21:34:23] <Jacky^> i read somewhere this..
[21:34:42] <Jymmm> so did I, but I don't what to test it out either =)
[21:34:56] <paul_c> Mariss (from Geckodrives) did some tests, and yes, it is true.
[21:35:20] <Jacky^> ok , tnx
[21:35:34] <Jymmm> I belive it, misalignment issues I would think.
[21:36:13] <paul_c> messes up the magnets.
[21:36:27] <Jacky^> loss of magnetism
[21:37:14] <Jacky^> good to know it ..
[21:39:13] <Jacky^> i suppose there are no bearing to change inside..
[21:39:30] <Jymmm> there ARE bearings in them
[21:39:39] <Jacky^> mmm
[21:40:11] <Jacky^> this mean its impossible to change it without damage the motor :\
[21:40:33] <Jacky^> home change i mean ..
[21:45:52] <anonimasu> the bearing would probably cost more then the motor..
[21:46:34] <Jacky^> i bought 3 (6 mm hole) skf 16 euro here
[22:00:22] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10emc/src/emcmot/tp.c: Add comments to the log about recent tpRunCycle changes.
[22:06:50] <Jacky^> found the case for my controllers ..
[22:07:02] <Jacky^> i will use an old 386 pc case :P
[22:10:12] <paul_c> Right... I've gotten as far as I can with the old trajectory planner.... Tomorrow,
[22:10:32] <Jymmm> calling it a night paul?
[22:11:25] <paul_c> nope, just calling time on screwball math in tc/tp/posemath
[22:11:33] <Jymmm> lol
[22:11:59] <Jymmm> "Hello, and welcome to Screwball Math 101"
[22:12:05] <paul_c> wtfh do you need quaternions for anyways ??
[22:12:52] <paul_c> 6dof trajectory is not the same as a graphics vector...
[22:13:05] <LawrenceG> i think they stop mold from growing on the chips :}
[22:13:35] <Jymmm> LawrenceG : Well, shit.... I'd rather it just brew some beer instead!
[22:13:42] <paul_c> Hi LawrenceG - See you've been at my plots....
[22:14:01] <Jacky^> hello LawrenceG
[22:14:14] <LawrenceG> hi guys
[22:18:10] <LawrenceG> lots of graphs
[22:19:22] <Jymmm> Does BDI have PCMCIA support for older laptops?
[22:19:43] <Jymmm> circa 2003
[22:19:46] <paul_c> BDI-4.xx does...
[22:20:33] <Jymmm> Thinkpad i1500 366MHz Celeron
[22:21:14] <Jymmm> think I might have an issues with running BDI on that? (plan on using tkemc remotely)
[22:22:53] <Jymmm> max ram being 256MB
[22:23:57] <paul_c> plenty of memory... If you don't run X, a 366MHz processor should be fine.
[22:24:23] <LawrenceG> I have a 300mhz celeron laptop that works great with 192mb.... 128 was a little small but it did run
[22:24:50] <Jymmm> Good to know, beats dragging a 15" crt around!
[22:25:11] <paul_c> You a wimp ????
[22:25:50] <paul_c> * paul_c travels the world with a 12" monitor...
[22:26:01] <Jymmm> paul_c: I'm already carrying a 150 pound generator, what da hell else do ya want?!
[22:26:18] <paul_c> kitchen sink ;)
[22:27:09] <Jymmm> paul_c: Can't help you there, try Robin. His kids should have it flooded by now... they flooded the rest of the house already I hear.
[22:27:59] <Jymmm> overflowed the tub, then had a waterfight in the living room with a garden house the following week.
[22:28:08] <Jymmm> s/house/hose/
[22:30:35] <anonimasu> lol
[22:30:36] <anonimasu> :/
[22:31:07] <paul_c> 180 miles beween me & them - Unlikely I'll get flooded out.
[22:47:10] <anonimasu> night all
[22:47:20] <Jacky^> gnigh anonimasu
[22:47:29] <Jacky^> Gnight*
[22:51:54] <Jacky^> ouch..
[22:52:14] <Jacky^> what are these peolpes doing ? http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2005/08_Agosto/16/STADIO_550x361.jpg
[22:54:10] <paul_c> Jacky^: Ask your gf...
[22:54:37] <Jacky^> they seem penis ballons :\
[22:56:16] <Jymmm> paul_c: That's it? Only 180Miles?!?!?! Hope you have flood insurance =)
[22:58:23] <paul_c> In these parts, that is a good four to five day walk.
[22:58:37] <Jymmm> I know, WAY too close!
[23:07:03] <Jymmm> It is amazing how much faster it is to surf when all the ad server domains are being block at the firewall =)
[23:07:57] <paul_c> * paul_c doesn't have problems with "ad servers" and unwanted pop ups.
[23:08:22] <Jymmm> and why not?
[23:09:34] <paul_c> dunno... Perhaps it's 'cos I don't go to the sites that bombard one with sleazy ads...
[23:10:04] <Jymmm> no, no, not the sleazy ads (thos I want to see), it's the one like on yahoo, ebay, etc that I don't want.
[23:11:17] <Jymmm> I'm just waiting for my miracle pills to arrive so I can increase my breasts safely and naturally!
[23:12:30] <Jymmm> I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm also waiting for an official from the Congo Republic Bank to transfer 1.8 Million Dollars too!
[23:12:58] <les_away> CNN right now is making a big deal about some virus or worm problem
[23:13:15] <les_away> doze only of course
[23:13:22] <paul_c> [nolog] Jymmm:
[23:13:54] <Jymmm> paul_c: WTH?! Only six inch spiked heels?
[23:23:17] <les_away> tend to agree with your post concerning the planner with emc2 Paul
[23:24:29] <paul_c> Got some test code here that appears to work OK for a simple three axis setup....
[23:24:47] <les_away> something new...?
[23:25:14] <anonimasu> paul_c: Please tell me you got that link from somone else..
[23:26:17] <paul_c> wot link ?
[23:26:28] <anonimasu> [nolog] it looks worse then the russian hookers I saw when I went to the kiosk..
[23:26:36] <anonimasu> the one you posted a bit ago.. to Jymmm
[23:27:23] <paul_c> have no fear, Buffy came from Sunnyvale....
[23:27:37] <les_away> looks like just a nice healty girl to me...
[23:27:39] <les_away> haha
[23:28:19] <paul_c> If the .ru hookers look like that, I'm outa here..
[23:28:35] <les_away> yeah...me too
[23:29:07] <anonimasu> I wouldnt touch that with a stick.
[23:29:18] <anonimasu> or well, perhaps a infinitely long one
[23:29:28] <les_away> heh
[23:30:49] <Jymmm> les [nolog] Here's a nice health girl too http://shaolin025.free.fr/Bell/Catherine-Bell_07.jpg
[23:31:04] <Jymmm> PS... They are real.
[23:31:29] <paul_c> Jymmm: You had a hand in that one ?
[23:31:44] <Jymmm> paul_c: nope, grabbed it off of google
[23:31:49] <les_away> just so they have teeth.
[23:32:10] <gezr> howdy yall
[23:32:15] <Jymmm> paul_c [nolog] http://images.google.com/images?q=catherine%20bell&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi
[23:32:27] <les_away> hi gezr
[23:34:45] <paul_c> * paul_c goes off to beat up some numbers.
[23:37:05] <les_away> quaternions no doubt
[23:38:39] <Jymmm> I can't even pronounce that! lol
[23:39:14] <les_away> I didn't get that much done today...was a little off
[23:39:29] <les_away> had bizzare nightmare last night
[23:39:58] <Jacky^> Jymmm: [nolog] http://www.realdoll.com/dolls.asp
[23:39:59] <les_away> I was captured by some kind of evil culture living in a sealed habitat of somekind
[23:40:26] <Jymmm> vegans scare me all the time!
[23:40:43] <Jymmm> Jacky^ : new gf?
[23:41:02] <Jacky^> what is gf ??! :\
[23:41:08] <Jacky^> ahhh
[23:41:14] <Jymmm> gf == girlfriend
[23:41:16] <Jacky^> girlfriend ?
[23:41:20] <Jacky^> nah..
[23:41:23] <Jacky^> :))
[23:41:49] <Jymmm> les_away : vegans scare me all the time!
[23:41:54] <les_away> heh
[23:42:05] <Jymmm> sealed habitat, vegans, get it?
[23:42:24] <Jymmm> we have lots of hippi freaks in this area
[23:42:39] <Jymmm> you just have toothless incestual ones where your at =)
[23:42:48] <les_away> yeah.
[23:44:39] <les_away> I should not have had jalapenos on my subway last night.
[23:45:03] <Jacky^> Jymmm: [nolog] i'm in love: http://www.androidworld.com/prod19.htm
[23:45:18] <les_away> I'll bet jacky is wondering about that comment!
[23:45:19] <Jacky^> 8 axis servos :P
[23:46:09] <les_away> i'll take one.
[23:46:35] <Jacky^> she makes also the kitchen
[23:46:39] <Jacky^> lol :)
[23:47:29] <les_away> So...women have only 8 axes?
[23:47:44] <les_away> so that's the problem...and I was wondering all these years
[23:47:48] <paul_c> and emc can only handle six...
[23:47:58] <les_away> haha
[23:48:03] <Jacky^> paul_c: rotfl
[23:48:20] <gezr> les_away : they are like gear trains, cept some have more broken teeth in the train then others
[23:48:31] <les_away> heh
[23:49:19] <gezr> i was going to write a book once, called "The Broken Cog, why women cant be fixed"
[23:49:33] <les_away> les_away is now known as les
[23:49:34] <gezr> but I was like 17 at the time or something
[23:49:56] <les> write it...i'll read it
[23:51:45] <Jymmm> logger_aj off