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[00:33:09] <Jacky^> anyone know if this controller can work on emc ?
http://mac1.ifrance.com/cnc3ax/
[00:36:12] <paul_c> Do not waste your money
[00:36:32] <Jacky^> :)
[00:36:35] <paul_c> Unipolar L/R drives are outdated
[00:36:49] <Jacky^> uhm..
[00:37:10] <Jacky^> i bought many mouhts ago 2 motors
[00:37:22] <Jacky^> unipolar, 4 A
[00:37:59] <Jacky^> so, i was looking for some controller..
[00:38:35] <Jacky^> that i have using l297-l298 can't work up 2 A
[00:39:22] <paul_c> back in a sec
[00:40:36] <Jacky^> incredible hot today :\
[00:40:48] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ umpf
[00:47:44] <Jymmm> Jacky^ :
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9RuhjhOFLvwJ:www.luberth.com/cstep/hardware.htm+L297+microstepping&hl=en
[00:48:58] <Jacky^> Jymmm: nice, tnx :)
[00:49:07] <Jacky^> looking..
[00:51:21] <paul_c> Jacky^: One simple piece of advice - If it says "unipolar", leave well alone regardless of how cheap it looks.
[00:52:02] <paul_c> You wiil be very disapointed with the performance.
[00:52:52] <Jacky^> paul_c: right
[00:53:02] <Jacky^> ;-)
[00:53:58] <Jacky^> anyway.. i will no build otther machine with these motors..
[00:55:17] <Jacky^> this is the motor i bought:
http://www.micromed.it/Elettronica/images/C014.jpg
[00:55:34] <Jacky^> i will use it just for fun..
[00:56:05] <Jacky^> next machine, i will starting build in september, will have servos !
[00:56:16] <Jacky^> stop steppers :)
[00:56:22] <Jacky^> i'm tired..
[00:57:16] <Jacky^> but i already have these motors, so i will find the way to use.. but not for real use
[00:58:39] <Jacky^> i started some year ago buyng some part, without know what really i was doing :\
[00:58:59] <Jymmm> paul_c: got a few?
[01:00:15] <Jymmm> paul_c: I came across "DeskNCrt" which runs under MS-DOS and based upon EMC. How much of EMC was/is PD?
[01:02:33] <paul_c> Hrmm... I did an audit of rcslib/emc a while back.... Not al of it is PD
[01:03:04] <paul_c> A couple of files in rcslib are copyright M$
[01:03:09] <Jymmm> doh
[01:03:23] <Jacky^> ghgh..
[01:03:55] <Jymmm> paul_c: I want to try this DOS thing, but he has funky key bindings.
[01:03:57] <paul_c> there are/were one or two copyright someone else (certainly not PD or GPL)..
[01:04:13] <paul_c> and if you look @ emc/src
[01:04:31] <paul_c> stripchart/* is ALL GPL, and
[01:04:36] <Jymmm> http://deskam.com/deskncrt.html
[01:05:17] <paul_c> emcplot3d/* is "non-commercial use only" and subject to copyright (from a derived work)
[01:06:00] <paul_c> ncutils/ is also GPL, but the sources are not NIST works.
[01:06:25] <Jymmm> That url I gave has been archived (around) since 2001-04-10 if that helps
[01:07:15] <Jacky^> mmm
[01:07:37] <paul_c> Look at the dat - Oct. 2000
[01:07:55] <Jacky^> i know some old film here (75 year old) is already (c)
[01:08:10] <Jymmm> I was looking at the 'internet archive' -->
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://deskam.com/deskncrt.html
[01:08:16] <paul_c> Three axis only, and probably victim of several old bugs that have been nailed.
[01:08:23] <Jymmm> heh
[01:11:13] <paul_c> Oh, some of the h/w drivers are GPL (as is classicladder/* )
[01:12:46] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[01:13:06] <Jymmm> I was just trying to find a way to get the source code out of him =)
[01:13:29] <Jacky^> :P
[01:14:02] <paul_c> Oct 2000 pre-dates any of my contributions...
[01:14:37] <paul_c> why not "just ask" ?
[01:15:33] <Jymmm> I was/am planning on it, but due to his HUGE disclaimer before you can dl anything, I thought he might be reluctant and wanted a lil ammo in advacde "just in case"?
[01:15:36] <Jymmm> .
[01:16:42] <paul_c> well... the original source code is freely available, so "reverse engineering" is not required.
[01:17:14] <Jymmm> but I don't know enough C to code anything
[01:17:58] <Jymmm> Disregardingsquashed bugs for a moment, I just wanted to add/change UI in respect to key bingings
[01:18:27] <paul_c> I see one small error in the EULA for DeskNCrt
[01:18:55] <paul_c> He can not claim copyright over us.gov source code.
[01:18:55] <Jymmm> ?
[01:19:00] <Jymmm> ah
[01:20:34] <Jymmm> if he thinks it's PD, I suspect he would do that.
[01:20:41] <Jymmm> 100% PD that is
[01:21:25] <paul_c> you need to read up on code written by the US goverment....
[01:21:54] <paul_c> You can release binary only, heavily modify, sell at high prices...
[01:22:25] <paul_c> but you can not 1) claim patents on the code. 2) claim copyright.
[01:24:24] <Jymmm> ah, ok. wasn't aware of that
[01:26:00] <Jacky^> uhm
[01:26:25] <paul_c> If you look at much of the emc2 code, you will see "Derived from a work by [Proctor|Shackleford|Kramer]"
[01:26:28] <Jacky^> bureaucratic traps
[01:26:42] <paul_c> "Released under GPL"
[01:26:54] <Jymmm> ah
[01:27:00] <paul_c> But no outright copyright claims.
[01:27:46] <paul_c> yet if you look at the rtap/hal/(plus a few other misc bits)
[01:28:04] <paul_c> you will see "Copyright XXXXX"
[01:29:50] <Jymmm> It's not that big a deal, I suppose. I'm just fond of DOS is all
[01:32:29] <paul_c> If it is commandline & ncurses you want....
[01:32:42] <paul_c> EMC on Linux can do that.
[01:34:09] <paul_c> Got sommat you could try....
[01:37:49] <paul_c> Rogier Blom's segment queue code was written as part of his thesis at a Dutch University - Not under the auspices of NIST.
[01:38:23] <paul_c> therefor not subject to the same PD agreement as the rest of the code.
[01:39:55] <paul_c> bed time.
[01:41:09] <Jacky^> Jymmm: i like these steppers:
http://www.homeshopcnc.com/page3.html
[01:42:12] <Yuga> 1200 oz/in Model # RHT34-1200: $140
[01:42:16] <Yuga> perty :P
[01:42:22] <Yuga> and they are quite cheap
[01:42:46] <Jacky^> hey Yuga :)
[01:43:23] <Jacky^> on ebay Starting bid: US $420.00
[01:43:42] <Jacky^> (3) 1200 oz/in Bipolar Stepper Motor(s) CNC Nema34 New
[01:43:42] <Yuga> what bid?
[01:43:55] <Jacky^> they mean 3 motors ?
[01:44:47] <Jacky^> yeah, 3 ..
[01:47:24] <Jacky^> how much will cost the shipping ? :\
[01:47:33] <Jacky^> a lot ..
[02:08:58] <Jacky^> night
[02:39:32] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[02:39:32] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[03:22:02] <gezr> I have officially set the last 5 fence posts in cement this very evening, I enjoyed my time, taking full use of the hours available to me, and am happy to have sunk them into the holes I dug, plumb and square to existing walls :)
[03:22:22] <gezr> I will finish the edges, and make the gates tommrow :)
[03:22:45] <Jymmm> the beighbor kids will put them all at 45 deg angles before 6am
[03:23:29] <Jymmm> =)
[03:23:47] <Jymmm> btw.... very cool =)
[03:33:54] <gezr> heh, on the phone
[03:34:18] <A_Guy> have u chaps ever used skype?
[03:37:29] <Jymmm> yeah, but ni mic at the moment
[03:37:32] <Jymmm> no
[03:56:58] <gezr> back
[03:57:00] <gezr> Jymmm
[03:57:02] <gezr> oops
[03:57:20] <gezr> Jymmm : no the neighbwhore's kids arnt home for some reason
[03:57:49] <gezr> I think she and the guy across the street broke up or somehting, and she is trying to stay away, I could be wrong, im not sure
[03:59:37] <gezr> im just getting stoked about almost having the fence finished, that means I have completed a project :)
[04:13:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got a project that's been up in the air for months now.
[04:14:06] <gezr> how have you been A-L-P-H-A ?
[04:14:32] <A-L-P-H-A> in the last 36 hours. Happy, upset, angry, confused, and now... I don't know.
[04:16:08] <gezr> heh
[04:16:11] <gezr> im just tired
[04:17:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I'd like to trade you tired, very my situation. wanna trade?
[04:18:03] <gezr> hehe, I think ide get the bad end of that stick
[04:18:24] <gezr> sorry if I cant exactly remember what you were working on, can you show me a photo?
[04:18:26] <A-L-P-H-A> omg, I can't type.
[04:18:31] <gezr> maybe that may help me out
[04:18:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I'd like to trade you tired for my situation. wanna trade?
[04:18:38] <A-L-P-H-A> damn stupid brain.
[04:18:47] <gezr> heh, I knew what you meant :)
[04:24:35] <A-L-P-H-A> gezr, just a plate. I have the gcode written and everything, just don't want to sit there to make them.
[04:26:19] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : can you show me a link to say your lathe?
[04:26:32] <A-L-P-H-A> www.lloydleung.com/gallery
[04:26:46] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Lathe_Related/
[04:26:56] <gezr> cool
[04:28:34] <gezr> ah, okay, now i remember :)
[04:29:48] <A-L-P-H-A> gezr, making these.
http://lloydleung.com/gallery/eurospeed/
[04:30:35] <gezr> oh cool
[04:31:55] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : did you make that high speed spindle you have drawn up?
[04:32:34] <A-L-P-H-A> it's partly completed. I have the spindle made, but no the pullies, or the motor mounted.
[04:32:44] <gezr> ah
[04:32:46] <A-L-P-H-A> so spindle, spindle housing are completed.
[04:33:13] <A-L-P-H-A> bought an ER11 extension, to be the spindle.
[04:33:15] <gezr> nice, im watching the videos now :)
[04:33:26] <gezr> not a bad size at all
[04:34:16] <gezr> first lathe video thats aluminum your turning?
[04:34:34] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[04:34:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I usually only touch alu.
[04:35:00] <gezr> what is the circuit board?
[04:35:20] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it's my atmel 90s2313 testing board.
[04:35:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I think.
[04:35:39] <gezr> oh
[04:35:52] <A-L-P-H-A> micro controller.
[04:36:40] <gezr> ive got to go and crash, worked about 15 hours today
[04:36:45] <gezr> you guys have fun :)
[04:37:13] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[11:34:57] <Jymmm> morning
[12:17:28] <Jacky^> morning
[13:59:45] <gezr> well, the wife is on her way home, so that means ill be working on the fence again shortly
[15:21:17] <dan_falck> morning, guys
[15:22:16] <dan_falck> I got the Bridgeport mill in my garage this week
[15:59:31] <alex_joni> 'lo all
[16:17:44] <wb9mjn> Test...
[16:18:05] <alex_joni> test yourself :-)
[16:20:51] <wb9mjn> hi alex_joni...just tryingout KVIRC on my mill computer....
[16:21:07] <alex_joni> kidding ;)
[16:21:09] <alex_joni> hello
[16:21:12] <wb9mjn> was not sure it was working...do not like this keyboard !!!
[16:21:12] <alex_joni> seems to be working
[16:21:20] <wb9mjn> Yep....
[16:21:38] <wb9mjn> Mill still has the Z problem...
[16:27:41] <wb9mjn> Welp have some errands to do...bye...
[17:25:05] <alex_joni> dang
[17:25:13] <alex_joni> my STG box just rebooted :D
[17:59:29] <dmess> hello all
[17:59:46] <alex_joni> hello
[18:00:00] <alex_joni> paul_c: hello
[18:01:09] <paul_c> * paul_c is busy with strace & tkemc
[18:01:22] <alex_joni> wot's wrong?
[18:01:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is busy testing the STG driver
[18:01:59] <alex_joni> testing/fixing
[18:01:59] <paul_c> even after my changes with semaphores, tkemc will still hang...
[18:02:14] <paul_c> Even worse when strace is connected to emcsh.
[18:02:15] <alex_joni> got tkemc to hang too
[18:02:25] <dmess> is there any way to use emc as a dro from a pulse generator??
[18:02:28] <alex_joni> on this slow machine with a high period
[18:02:41] <alex_joni> dmess: explain
[18:02:41] <paul_c> I don't mean just MDI/Auto widgets....
[18:03:00] <alex_joni> paul_c: the whole window
[18:03:04] <paul_c> yup
[18:03:06] <alex_joni> I know, I get it too
[18:03:12] <alex_joni> even redraw won't work
[18:03:25] <paul_c> connect another tkemc, and the core emc is still running.
[18:03:30] <alex_joni> yes
[18:03:36] <dmess> i have a pulse from a coil i want to monitor for speed, accell, and displacement
[18:03:49] <alex_joni> hit ctrl-c in the emc console and it takes the whole thing down cleanly
[18:03:57] <alex_joni> dmess: it is possible
[18:04:04] <alex_joni> use HAL components
[18:04:18] <alex_joni> what kind of GUI thingies do you need?
[18:04:22] <alex_joni> are a few meters ok?
[18:04:23] <paul_c> What is the pulse rate ?
[18:04:27] <dmess> hmm.. and use what as the input
[18:05:10] <dmess> probably in the 10-20 Hz max
[18:05:27] <dmess> or maybe less...
[18:05:49] <alex_joni> dmess: parport
[18:06:01] <dmess> sounds good to me..
[18:06:24] <alex_joni> that's what I'd do.. it's the easiest (imho)
[18:06:29] <paul_c> parport will do it...
[18:06:32] <alex_joni> connect the input to parport
[18:06:38] <dmess> but it'll accept a low voltage sinal from a tachogenerator
[18:06:44] <alex_joni> how low?
[18:06:55] <alex_joni> you need to run it through some filter/amp
[18:07:06] <alex_joni> to make it digital first
[18:07:07] <paul_c> counting the pulses for displacement is $(trivial)
[18:07:21] <dmess> probably 2-5 millivolts MAX unless i apm it
[18:07:29] <paul_c> doing the speed & accel calcs, not so trivial.
[18:07:51] <alex_joni> paul_c: there's a integrator module in HAL
[18:08:02] <dmess> im working on a gravity powered electric generator
[18:08:10] <alex_joni> dmess: you need to amp it up to 0-5V for the parport
[18:08:31] <dmess> ok amp it is
[18:08:54] <paul_c> or put an optical sensor on the shaft
[18:08:55] <alex_joni> best to run it through a histeresis filter then
[18:09:55] <dmess> these are linear generators and a glass scale is an option.. but an $$ one
[18:10:21] <alex_joni> heh
[18:10:25] <alex_joni> get a scrap encoder
[18:10:55] <dmess> thats was my thoughts
[18:15:37] <alex_joni> paul_c: got a min for a theoretical question?
[18:16:18] <paul_c> with a probability of e
[18:16:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni waits patiently till that probability goes up
[18:18:00] <paul_c> get on and ask....
[18:18:48] <alex_joni> ok
[18:19:05] <alex_joni> say you have emc spitting out velocity commands
[18:19:15] <alex_joni> to HAL ;) or to any other interface
[18:19:34] <alex_joni> can you place a 3rd degree limiter on that signal, and then connect it to the actual driver?
[18:19:51] <alex_joni> 3rd degree which obeys max speed, max accel, max jerk ?
[18:20:06] <alex_joni> and let PID & co do the rest?
[18:20:50] <paul_c> what's your first two limits ?
[18:21:05] <alex_joni> speed & accel
[18:21:21] <paul_c> and the third would be jerk ?
[18:21:39] <alex_joni> yup
[18:22:25] <dmess> and jerk would be the 1st derivative of accel... right??
[18:22:37] <alex_joni> what I'm actually asking is if it's theoretically possible to do a simple traj planning
[18:22:50] <alex_joni> and do more complicated (jerk limiting) on that output
[18:23:03] <paul_c> No.
[18:23:22] <alex_joni> ok.. that would be too easy I guess ;)
[18:23:30] <alex_joni> why not?
[18:24:04] <paul_c> You need to know what the bounding conditions are (and the values) before calculating the trajectory
[18:24:30] <dmess> the resolution data has to be as thorough as can possibly be.. before any tweaks are done
[18:24:35] <paul_c> Accel needs to be limited by jerk
[18:24:46] <paul_c> and vel is limited by accel.
[18:25:25] <dmess> so it all ties int knowing the kinematick of a particular machine
[18:26:34] <paul_c> beyond a certain point, yes.
[18:27:54] <dmess> and you must consider the whole system in the kinematic model electro-mechanical interfaces as well
[18:28:29] <alex_joni> dmess: theoretically yes
[18:28:32] <alex_joni> but in a real world you don't
[18:28:38] <alex_joni> you take some common stuff
[18:28:38] <paul_c> five axis machines with those knuckle jointed spindles require some additional pre-planning.
[18:28:44] <alex_joni> and tune it later
[18:28:48] <alex_joni> till it runs cleanly
[18:29:15] <alex_joni> paul_c: jacobian's ?
[18:29:35] <dmess> correct... ive set up the dmg 5 axis evolution... its got a dual jointed nutating table..
[18:30:07] <dmess> under a 3 axis m/c
[18:31:49] <paul_c> * paul_c disappears.
[18:53:49] <alex_joni_> dmess: say if you need help with HAL
[19:00:08] <dmess> i will alex.. still in developmental stages thx for the offer
[19:00:28] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[19:02:58] <dmess> i will alex.. still in developmental stages thx for the offer
[19:04:59] <dmess> its kinda a linear motor drive run backwards off of gravity.. aided by a little non magnetic reusable mass differential
[19:05:39] <alex_joni> coo
[19:07:20] <dmess> we could save the planet with this one..
[19:08:57] <dmess> to date we mgf electricity by useg gravity to propel a fluid to drive the magnets...to radioactivity to make steam to drive thi magnets...
[19:09:34] <anonimasu> ^_^
[19:10:01] <dmess> i wanna drop the magnets... and connect 2 elementary forces directly...
[19:10:40] <dmess> to allow me to achieve over unity in my device
[19:10:52] <alex_joni> hey anonimasu
[19:11:12] <anonimasu> hello alex
[19:11:27] <anonimasu> what's up?
[19:14:31] <dmess> and the same force of gravity acting in the form of air pressure and differential thereof flows the non magnetic reusable mass differential fluid back to the surface to be used again
[19:15:19] <dmess> trust me guys it aint easy being me
[19:15:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni curses the stg ;)
[19:22:51] <anonimasu> dmess: lol
[19:23:05] <anonimasu> dmess: you've got quite a task
[19:23:09] <anonimasu> alex_joni: :D
[19:23:43] <Jacky^> evening
[19:25:49] <alex_joni> anonimasu: the driver is there
[19:25:51] <alex_joni> but it needs to work ;)
[19:25:55] <alex_joni> right now it doesn't
[19:26:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni blames himself for that
[19:26:02] <alex_joni> :D
[19:26:43] <Jacky^> this evening partyyyyy ! :P
[19:29:21] <Jacky^> since yesterday my browser won't open sfk website..
[19:29:36] <Jacky^> anyone can try ?
http://www.skf.com/portal/skf//home
[19:29:52] <dmess> id like to set up remot mobile monitoring of these devices... over the weeb
[19:30:39] <dmess> so i can track overall power generation
[19:31:42] <dmess> these will be small mobile personal generating stn's to allow any and all of us to go off grid.. any time
[19:32:26] <dmess> you'll be able to tow them with the little SMAT cars even
[19:32:58] <dmess> tie you camping gear to the power plant..
[19:33:21] <dmess> and plug in once camp is set up..
[19:34:19] <anonimasu> dmess: what are you powering it with?
[19:34:27] <alex_joni> Jacky^: skf works for me
[19:34:40] <dmess> need i tell right now??
[19:34:51] <dmess> non magnetic reusable mass differential
[19:34:53] <Jacky^> alex_joni: is stalled for me :\ trasfering ... get no page
[19:34:58] <anonimasu> _WHAT_ is that mass?
[19:35:09] <dmess> reusable...
[19:35:37] <dmess> and subject to 14.7 psi at sea level
[19:36:43] <anonimasu> ah well, kiosk time..
[19:36:50] <Jacky^> this is strange, from lynx i can open skf website.. not from firefox :\
[19:36:51] <dmess> its a long convoluted dream but the freakin math and physics work... so i gotta try it... my lost twin is givin' me sighns...
[19:39:30] <dmess> born under the RIGHT star...
[19:41:43] <dmess> at the WRONG time
[19:42:35] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I think I found the problem
[19:42:52] <alex_joni> seems I assigned a unsigned short to an int
[19:43:14] <anonimasu> ah :)
[19:43:20] <anonimasu> that causes some trouble ;)
[19:43:23] <alex_joni> without a cast
[19:43:34] <anonimasu> :)
[19:49:13] <alex_joni> unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address
[19:50:21] <alex_joni> cradek: you around?
[19:50:24] <alex_joni> hey Martin
[19:50:28] <Imperator_> Hi Alex
[19:50:31] <Jacky^> later
[19:50:40] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as jack_party
[19:50:52] <Imperator_> something new ???
[19:51:47] <alex_joni> * alex_joni tests the stg driver
[19:52:03] <alex_joni> not working yet :(
[19:53:09] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ is fighting with the Xilinx design software
[20:08:17] <alex_joni> :/
[20:42:42] <alex_joni> wot's a decent delay function in linux?
[20:43:12] <cradek> in C? sh?
[20:43:20] <alex_joni> in C
[20:43:30] <cradek> usleep
[20:43:33] <alex_joni> I tried mdelay from linux/delay.h
[20:43:36] <alex_joni> usleep?
[20:43:52] <cradek> beware signals
[20:44:21] <cradek> you can also use select, which is an older way to do it
[20:44:43] <paul_c> In kernel space ?
[20:45:13] <alex_joni> nope, user space now
[20:45:25] <paul_c> usleep or nanosleep
[21:01:48] <anonimasu> never drive other peoples new cars.
[21:02:13] <anonimasu> * anonimasu borrowed a new saab to the kiosk
[21:02:45] <anonimasu> I need one
[21:02:56] <paul_c> * paul_c always rents flashy new cars
[21:03:16] <cradek> * cradek always rents *big* cars
[21:03:21] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I thought that was called stealing
[21:03:25] <paul_c> * paul_c always returns grubby high mileage wrecks
[21:03:26] <cradek> I don't want one to use every day, but they are so nice for trips
[21:03:31] <anonimasu> nah, it's off a friend of my mother :)
[21:03:37] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/view/5528408.htm?caller=nbl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
[21:03:38] <alex_joni> and he doesn't know ;)
[21:03:44] <alex_joni> anonimasu: still called stealing
[21:03:50] <alex_joni> even if you plan to bring it back
[21:03:51] <alex_joni> =))
[21:03:58] <anonimasu> ah, she told me to take it :)
[21:04:06] <anonimasu> now that's a nice car..
[21:04:21] <anonimasu> 27500$
[21:04:53] <anonimasu> *tries to regain sanity*
[21:04:56] <cradek> that's absurd
[21:05:07] <anonimasu> nah..
[21:05:12] <anonimasu> it's a aero - 04
[21:05:23] <anonimasu> it's not absurd.. it's a nice price
[21:05:50] <cradek> I can't imagine paying over 10-12k for a car
[21:06:00] <anonimasu> lol
[21:06:01] <cradek> it's only a car.
[21:06:08] <cradek> no car is worth $30k
[21:06:25] <anonimasu> actually that's cheap for a car
[21:06:32] <cradek> not in my world
[21:06:41] <anonimasu> cradek: are all your cars 10 years old?
[21:06:59] <cradek> one is 50 years old, other car and motorcycle are both '01
[21:07:25] <anonimasu> from the factory a new aero without extras go on 40500�
[21:07:28] <anonimasu> err $
[21:07:36] <anonimasu> it's horrid
[21:07:37] <anonimasu> :)
[21:07:42] <cradek> like I said, absurd
[21:08:00] <anonimasu> nah
[21:08:02] <anonimasu> it's a new car..
[21:08:11] <cradek> $10k taxes? $1000 insurance payments?
[21:08:19] <cradek> ABSURD
[21:08:38] <anonimasu> cradek: actually I oay more then $1000 to insure my car per year..
[21:08:54] <anonimasu> the current one..
[21:09:04] <cradek> I pay maybe $600/yr for excellent coverage on my mustang
[21:09:16] <anonimasu> a newer car would probably be cheaper to insure
[21:09:20] <cradek> insurance payments here are every 6 months
[21:09:30] <cradek> I meant $2000/year but that's probably still low
[21:11:34] <anonimasu> insurance for my car is insane :) because kids over here tend to drive them off roads..
[21:11:58] <anonimasu> *sigh*
[21:12:08] <alex_joni> and you don't
[21:12:25] <anonimasu> alex_joni: no, I used to drive a volvo before.
[21:12:36] <anonimasu> it went \ in the winter..
[21:12:49] <anonimasu> always, whenever you like it or not
[21:14:59] <anonimasu> it handled like a boat in corners ;)
[21:24:14] <alex_joni> hello John
[21:24:21] <jmkasunich> hi
[21:24:28] <alex_joni> what's up?
[21:24:41] <jmkasunich> certainly not my energy level ;-)
[21:24:46] <alex_joni> heh
[21:24:51] <jmkasunich> been a blah kind of week
[21:25:01] <alex_joni> did you get the update to the modeswitch bug?
[21:25:13] <jmkasunich> just finished some parts for a customer tho, that has been bugging me
[21:25:15] <jmkasunich> yeah
[21:25:38] <alex_joni> ok
[21:25:39] <jmkasunich> (the one from early in the week you mean? has there been another?)
[21:25:48] <alex_joni> the one I submitted
[21:25:51] <alex_joni> not sure when it was
[21:26:02] <jmkasunich> I tried to duplicate it on my 1.3Gz box, and my 600MHz box, no luck
[21:26:10] <jmkasunich> I didn't realize you submitted one
[21:26:14] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks
[21:26:24] <alex_joni> I traced/found the problem
[21:26:27] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: if you increase the period setting it appears
[21:26:29] <alex_joni> no idea why it appears
[21:26:36] <alex_joni> anonimasu: only on a slow box
[21:26:47] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that should depend on how much you increase it..
[21:27:01] <jmkasunich> anon: I made period smaller, until the box was almost unusable, still no lukc
[21:27:03] <alex_joni> not so sure
[21:27:03] <jmkasunich> luck
[21:27:08] <anonimasu> hm
[21:27:09] <anonimasu> strange
[21:27:16] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you need to change modes quite often to lock it up
[21:27:24] <jmkasunich> did 50uS, 30uS, 21uS, 20uS, 18uS, 15uS
[21:27:26] <alex_joni> on some machines it does lock up imediately
[21:27:27] <anonimasu> it's much better with the patches now..
[21:27:44] <alex_joni> anonimasu: that's not a patch ;P
[21:27:49] <anonimasu> before it locked up while I changed modes to set a new home to load a new operation..
[21:27:56] <anonimasu> alex_joni: paul made some changes before
[21:28:03] <alex_joni> I know
[21:28:23] <anonimasu> before that it was really often
[21:28:24] <jmkasunich> ok, just read alex's msg
[21:28:42] <alex_joni> hope it made sense
[21:28:43] <jmkasunich> paul told me he was able to get it to happen without ever moving the axis
[21:28:48] <anonimasu> yep
[21:29:01] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: I have never moved the axis:es when trying to show it..
[21:29:06] <anonimasu> or making it lock up
[21:29:12] <alex_joni> what I think...
[21:29:15] <jmkasunich> then inpos should be true all the time
[21:29:17] <jmkasunich> (I think)
[21:29:18] <anonimasu> just been going out of estop and machine on..
[21:29:27] <alex_joni> maybe there's a position offset
[21:29:33] <alex_joni> just a very small value
[21:29:44] <alex_joni> and it sometimes (no idea why) increases over the limit
[21:29:49] <alex_joni> and inpos gets reset
[21:29:49] <anonimasu> that would be strange
[21:30:01] <alex_joni> anonimasu: stranger things have been seen
[21:30:04] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich starts looking
[21:30:20] <jmkasunich> not in MY code dammit! ;-)
[21:30:24] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah
[21:30:39] <jmkasunich> no strange things in there, no sir...
[21:30:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wouldn't bet ;)
[21:30:53] <jmkasunich> not one
[21:30:59] <alex_joni> :P
[21:38:25] <jmkasunich> dammit, this is gonna suck
[21:38:35] <alex_joni> what is?
[21:38:45] <jmkasunich> I can study the code till I'm blue in the face, but without being able to make the problem happen....
[21:39:00] <alex_joni> you can ssh to an0n's box
[21:39:02] <alex_joni> if he's so kind
[21:40:18] <anonimasu> it's still open
[21:42:42] <jmkasunich> anon: do you have a developers checkout?
[21:43:34] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: no.
[21:43:53] <jmkasunich> bummer... that means any changes I commit will take some hours before you can test with them
[21:44:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:45:12] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you could check out using your user/pass over ssh
[21:45:21] <alex_joni> to another dir
[21:45:27] <jmkasunich> anon: please mail me your ini file
[21:45:47] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: the period is changed to 25 instead of 50
[21:45:52] <anonimasu> that's the only change I've been testing with
[21:46:20] <jmkasunich> other than that it is absolutely stock, fresh from CVS?
[21:46:25] <anonimasu> yes
[21:46:31] <jmkasunich> ok....
[21:46:48] <jmkasunich> I was starting to wonder if it was somethign that shows up when you are using mm instead of inches
[21:47:16] <anonimasu> ok
[21:48:40] <jmkasunich> alex: you confirmed that the code at line 1458 was executing? with a print or somethign?
[21:49:11] <alex_joni> I commented it debug stuff out
[21:49:26] <alex_joni> there's a #define to watch flags
[21:49:42] <jmkasunich> ?
[21:49:52] <alex_joni> you placed it there ;)
[21:49:56] <jmkasunich> you mean my ENABLE_CHECK_STUFF?
[21:49:56] <alex_joni> watch/print flags
[21:50:11] <jmkasunich> you midified it to look at motionFlag instead of whatever it was watching?
[21:50:17] <jmkasunich> modified
[21:50:21] <alex_joni> // #define WATCH_FLAGS 1
[21:50:31] <alex_joni> it was looking at motionFlag
[21:50:39] <jmkasunich> huh... completely forgot about that
[21:50:42] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich greps
[21:50:50] <alex_joni> control.c at the beginning
[21:51:03] <alex_joni> /*! \todo FIXME - debugging - uncomment the following line to log changes in
[21:51:04] <alex_joni> AXIS_FLAG and MOTION_FLAG */
[21:51:04] <alex_joni> // #define WATCH_FLAGS 1
[21:51:06] <alex_joni> :P
[21:51:22] <alex_joni> anyways.. seeing that INPOS gets changed (and it shouldn't)
[21:51:30] <alex_joni> I started taking out lines that change INPOS
[21:51:41] <alex_joni> and the last one was the one I suspected
[21:51:54] <jmkasunich> there are only 2 that clear INPOS
[21:51:56] <alex_joni> but I removed them in the reverse order to prove the others innocent
[21:51:57] <alex_joni> ;)
[21:52:18] <jmkasunich> so you can replicate the prob, and removing that line fixed it
[21:52:37] <alex_joni> this was all on an0n's machine
[21:52:43] <alex_joni> my own is unusable on that period
[21:52:58] <alex_joni> tkemc locks up (that's a different bug)
[21:53:03] <jmkasunich> anon: how fast is your box?
[21:53:05] <alex_joni> and I can barely move around
[21:53:12] <alex_joni> 4-500 iirc
[21:53:19] <jmkasunich> what is yours?
[21:53:24] <alex_joni> PII-233
[21:53:27] <alex_joni> *g*
[21:53:34] <alex_joni> but it has ISA
[21:53:39] <alex_joni> and a STG in it ;)
[21:53:45] <alex_joni> which is giving me the hell of a time
[21:53:49] <jmkasunich> and you couldn't replicate it? (with a more reasonable period)
[21:53:59] <alex_joni> didn't try much
[21:54:03] <alex_joni> I tried with 25
[21:54:05] <alex_joni> and it was there
[21:54:24] <jmkasunich> I was gonna try to use the farm (PI/200)
[21:54:39] <alex_joni> ouch
[21:54:40] <jmkasunich> but that system has no X, no mouse, lots of other hassles to get it running
[21:54:55] <alex_joni> also.. usrmot provided some valuable info
[21:55:02] <jmkasunich> tried it on P3/600 and AMD/1.3G with no lick
[21:55:04] <jmkasunich> luck
[21:57:00] <jmkasunich> what do I need to do for this ssh thing?
[21:57:27] <Jymmm> P200 isn't a farm.... that's the back 40!
[21:57:45] <jmkasunich> the price was right
[21:58:03] <jmkasunich> gimme a rack of 8x 2GHz machines and I'll replace it ;-)
[21:58:14] <Jymmm> I just bought a P3 733 w/96MB ram for $15USD
[21:58:39] <Jymmm> also got some igus energychain for $12
[22:00:50] <alex_joni> how big?
[22:01:20] <Jymmm> 6 chains each being 14"
[22:01:28] <alex_joni> I got some 1m long, 20x5cm for about 1.5$
[22:01:35] <alex_joni> I took 10 pcs.
[22:05:27] <Jymmm> these are about 3mm wide
[22:05:38] <alex_joni> 3mm????
[22:05:48] <Jymmm> cm
[22:05:53] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[22:05:57] <Jymmm> you and your fucking metric shit
[22:06:00] <alex_joni> mine are bigger :))
[22:06:12] <alex_joni> didn't know they make them in mm sizes
[22:06:13] <alex_joni> :D
[22:06:25] <Jymmm> I wouldn't want bigger, only 24" travel
[22:06:33] <Jymmm> all igus stuff is in metric
[22:06:41] <alex_joni> smart ppl
[22:10:30] <jmkasunich> what is in the emc2/debian directory in CVS?
[22:10:40] <jmkasunich> I keep having CVS problems when it gets to that dir
[22:10:48] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: go ahead and grab a copy off cvs
[22:11:26] <jmkasunich> dang. that's fast
[22:12:21] <anonimasu> I am using about 200 in at the moment also :)
[22:12:25] <anonimasu> and 300kb/s out..
[22:16:55] <alex_joni> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/emc/emc2/debian/
[22:16:59] <alex_joni> nothing there ;)
[22:17:06] <alex_joni> some stuff in the Attic though
[22:17:21] <alex_joni> AAAARGH
[22:17:23] <alex_joni> I hate this
[22:17:30] <anonimasu> * anonimasu pats alex on the shoulder
[22:17:35] <anonimasu> poor poor alex
[22:17:37] <anonimasu> :D
[22:17:38] <jmkasunich> what happened?
[22:17:38] <alex_joni> I am missing some initialization somewhere
[22:17:39] <alex_joni> :D
[22:17:44] <alex_joni> no idea
[22:17:59] <alex_joni> I wrote a test program
[22:18:05] <alex_joni> to test routines for the STG
[22:18:08] <alex_joni> and it didn't work
[22:18:22] <alex_joni> then I moved routines from stg's test program
[22:18:25] <alex_joni> and those don't work either
[22:18:41] <alex_joni> although the stg test program (writteng by servotogo inc.) does
[22:18:42] <alex_joni> :(
[22:19:10] <gezr> howdy folks
[22:19:19] <jmkasunich> board jumpers? ISA address?
[22:19:27] <alex_joni> nah.. that's ok
[22:19:41] <alex_joni> my routine even recognizes the stg
[22:19:45] <alex_joni> at the correct address
[22:19:58] <alex_joni> but that's about it
[22:20:03] <alex_joni> DIO doesn't seem to work
[22:20:04] <alex_joni> :(
[22:20:15] <jmkasunich> anon: this is a 2.4 box?
[22:20:25] <jmkasunich> I though it was BDI-4 (2.6)
[22:20:40] <alex_joni> I run a BDI-4 and had the bug
[22:20:46] <alex_joni> an0n has emc1 on that machine too
[22:20:52] <alex_joni> so I guess it's 2.4
[22:20:56] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: yes
[22:21:08] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: I downgraded it a long wile ago
[22:21:13] <jmkasunich> yeah, paul posted that the bug showed up on bdi-4, so I assumed that's what anon had
[22:21:16] <anonimasu> I cant remember what BDI-something
[22:21:29] <jmkasunich> guess it shows up regardless of the version
[22:21:57] <jmkasunich> uname says SMP?
[22:22:03] <jmkasunich> is this an smp box?
[22:22:08] <gezr> hey guys, I have a question about a motion control card
[22:22:15] <anonimasu> no, I forgot and compiled it with smp..
[22:22:26] <anonimasu> and something is broken so I cant recompile it easily
[22:22:36] <anonimasu> s/broken/lazy
[22:22:38] <jmkasunich> alex: you are running a regular kernel tho, right, no SMP?
[22:23:24] <alex_joni> no SMP
[22:23:56] <jmkasunich> ok, just checking ;-)
[22:24:11] <jmkasunich> sometimes strange intermittent bugs are due to race conditions
[22:28:23] <gezr> if im going to use say geckos and a stg card, does the encoder feed back go just to the gecko, or to both, or what should I be thinking here?
[22:28:37] <alex_joni> you don't use geckos with a stg
[22:28:49] <jmkasunich> geckos are step/dir, stg is analog servo
[22:29:17] <alex_joni> anonimasu: can you tell jmk how to export DISPLAY so he can run emc?
[22:29:58] <jmkasunich> or run it for me
[22:30:11] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0
[22:30:30] <jmkasunich> in one of the ssh windows? or on my box?
[22:30:31] <anonimasu> export DISPLAY="192.168.0.220:0.0"
[22:30:51] <anonimasu> type it, and I'll fire up my box
[22:31:06] <jmkasunich> type it where?
[22:31:15] <anonimasu> in the console of the box(the emc box)
[22:31:23] <anonimasu> that exports the display to my workstation..
[22:31:40] <anonimasu> I cant remember how you allow your box to accept other x connections..
[22:31:44] <alex_joni> why not export to his box?
[22:31:50] <alex_joni> you need to alter with ssh iirc
[22:31:56] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that would be better..
[22:32:05] <anonimasu> but I have no clue on .xauth..
[22:32:11] <jmkasunich> I exported to yours
[22:32:21] <anonimasu> ok
[22:32:43] <anonimasu> just start emc and tell me what you like me to do..
[22:32:44] <anonimasu> :)
[22:32:50] <gezr> I would just run a vncserver
[22:33:00] <gezr> and a vncclient on the winbox
[22:33:13] <anonimasu> I run xwin32.. on the winbox..
[22:33:14] <anonimasu> :)
[22:33:21] <jmkasunich> just a mo, forgot to edit the ini
[22:33:25] <anonimasu> ok
[22:34:09] <jmkasunich> 30uS, right?
[22:34:25] <anonimasu> 25
[22:34:28] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: ssh -X -p 222 82.99.104.25 -l an0n
[22:34:32] <alex_joni> should do the trick
[22:34:44] <alex_joni> it automatically exports the DISPLAY variable
[22:34:49] <alex_joni> and forwards it to your PC
[22:39:32] <anonimasu> alex_joni: are you connected to it right now also?
[22:39:59] <alex_joni> right now, no
[22:40:03] <alex_joni> but I was shortly before
[22:40:11] <jmkasunich> ok, the -X thing isn't working ofor me either (just hangs)
[22:40:18] <alex_joni> can I try again?
[22:40:27] <anonimasu> sure.
[22:40:31] <jmkasunich> go ahead
[22:40:38] <jmkasunich> btw, which one are you running?
[22:40:44] <alex_joni> emc3
[22:40:46] <jmkasunich> ~/emc2, or ~/John/emc2
[22:40:57] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[22:41:28] <jmkasunich> did it work that time?
[22:42:13] <jmkasunich> ok, I'm gonna try to start ~/John/emc2, so stand back !
[22:42:20] <alex_joni> ok
[22:42:27] <alex_joni> * alex_joni left
[22:42:57] <jmkasunich> yuck
[22:43:02] <anonimasu> lol
[22:43:05] <alex_joni> what?
[22:43:13] <jmkasunich> all kinds of errors
[22:44:25] <jmkasunich> CMS related crap,
[22:44:58] <jmkasunich> anon: does this box have a local keyboard and monitor?
[22:45:22] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: yes
[22:45:49] <jmkasunich> can you go there and try running ~/John/emc2
[22:46:01] <jmkasunich> probably have to kill the export DISPLAY
[22:46:01] <anonimasu> why?
[22:46:13] <jmkasunich> because emc2 won't even start
[22:46:26] <jmkasunich> about 50 pages of libnml related crap
[22:46:47] <jmkasunich> this is a fresh checkout, so I don't know what is fscked up
[22:47:24] <anonimasu> hm.. that error is something else..
[22:47:33] <jmkasunich> you saw it too?
[22:47:36] <anonimasu> yes
[22:47:40] <anonimasu> but I am not at the box..
[22:47:54] <jmkasunich> is it far away?
[22:47:58] <anonimasu> wait a bit
[22:48:27] <anonimasu> the emc in the emc3 folder runs
[22:48:34] <anonimasu> there's something other wrong with that checkout
[22:49:00] <anonimasu> I _highly_ doubt it will run even locally.
[22:49:11] <anonimasu> but if you like I can go out and try it, but it shouldnt make any difference ata ll
[22:49:35] <jmkasunich> I don't know what to do
[22:49:52] <anonimasu> I'll go out and try it, so we can rule it out..
[22:49:58] <anonimasu> entirely
[22:51:30] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I suggest a cvs diff
[22:51:38] <alex_joni> also check the local time on that machine
[22:53:09] <jmkasunich> time 20:42 UTC
[22:53:12] <anonimasu> localhost:/home/an0n/emc3# ntpdate ntp.uio.no
[22:53:12] <anonimasu> 13 Aug 23:54:10 ntpdate[15286]: step time server 129.240.12.4 offset 4235.993490 sec
[22:53:20] <anonimasu> an0n@localhost:~/emc3$ date
[22:53:20] <anonimasu> Sat Aug 13 22:43:13 CEST 2005
[22:53:34] <anonimasu> localhost:/home/an0n/emc3# date
[22:53:35] <anonimasu> Sat Aug 13 23:54:35 CEST 2005
[22:54:10] <jmkasunich> it failed running locally too, didn't it?
[22:54:16] <anonimasu> yes
[22:54:23] <jmkasunich> wtf
[22:54:26] <anonimasu> diff it aginst emc3..
[22:54:28] <anonimasu> in ~an0n/
[22:54:34] <anonimasu> should give you a hinch..
[22:54:51] <jmkasunich> what is emc3
[22:55:02] <alex_joni> a folder
[22:55:02] <anonimasu> a emc2 copy I think paul/alex modified
[22:55:03] <alex_joni> :D
[22:55:09] <alex_joni> I surely did
[22:55:12] <alex_joni> not sure about paul
[22:55:14] <anonimasu> ah :)
[22:55:17] <anonimasu> just you then
[22:55:25] <anonimasu> *points to alex for the blame*
[22:55:28] <jmkasunich> hmmm... on of my ssh'ed windows dies
[22:55:31] <jmkasunich> deied
[22:55:33] <jmkasunich> died
[22:55:51] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hides
[22:55:51] <anonimasu> strange
[22:56:05] <anonimasu> I killed the X running on the box also
[22:56:34] <jmkasunich> I didn't realize it was outside befire
[22:56:37] <jmkasunich> before
[22:56:52] <anonimasu> ah, it's in the shop
[22:57:57] <anonimasu> it's not far away, just on another floor and through the garden
[22:58:06] <jmkasunich> hmmm... emc3 has a significantly different emc.nml
[22:58:31] <jmkasunich> I have absolutely no idea what emc.nml does, and I don't want to know ;-)
[22:58:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni points to paul for that
[22:58:40] <alex_joni> I only touched emc/src/motion
[22:58:51] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: lol
[22:58:57] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: want me to take a look at it?
[22:59:19] <jmkasunich> sure - I'm looking too - I don't want to know, but I probably have to anyway
[22:59:32] <anonimasu> hm, seems to be lacking some stuff
[23:00:39] <anonimasu> you could always grab the copy of it, in emc3 since that's a fresh checkout also..
[23:00:49] <anonimasu> pretty fresh
[23:01:38] <jmkasunich> the emc3 copy of emc.nml has 10.0 instead of 1.0 in the 3rd from last column for many lines
[23:01:48] <jmkasunich> no idea what that means tho
[23:02:26] <jmkasunich> hmmm...timeout value
[23:03:24] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich copies from emc3 to John/emc2
[23:05:15] <jmkasunich> ok, it's all fscked up
[23:05:18] <alex_joni> is there a way to trace function calls?
[23:05:32] <jmkasunich> what do you mean?
[23:05:43] <alex_joni> connect to a program
[23:05:51] <alex_joni> and print calls as they happen
[23:06:06] <jmkasunich> probably gdb can do that
[23:06:09] <jmkasunich> but I don't know how
[23:06:10] <anonimasu> hm yeah with gdb
[23:11:06] <jmkasunich> well this just sucks
[23:11:40] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I'll log in, and get a function emc.. ok?
[23:11:55] <jmkasunich> I thought we might actually have a chance at this problem today, and instead there is a gawd damned CMS/NML/lord-knows-what problem
[23:12:15] <jmkasunich> alex: I would be most grateful
[23:13:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni tries that
[23:20:26] <alex_joni> compiling
[23:21:46] <jmkasunich> your working in the John dir?
[23:22:03] <alex_joni> nope
[23:22:17] <jmkasunich> which dir then?
[23:22:23] <alex_joni> alex/emc2
[23:23:32] <jmkasunich> stock checkout in there?
[23:25:57] <alex_joni> yup
[23:26:31] <jmkasunich> let me know when your compile is done, I want to recompile the John version but don't want to bog things down
[23:26:43] <alex_joni> compile is done
[23:26:53] <alex_joni> yet the rcs stuff is failing :(
[23:27:32] <jmkasunich> I saw similar things some months ago, unfortunately I don't remember the reason
[23:27:48] <jmkasunich> waitaminnit, I think I remember
[23:27:57] <jmkasunich> maybe
[23:28:14] <jmkasunich> remember there was a problem with IO not starting because of some tooltable problem?
[23:28:51] <jmkasunich> these errors remind me of what heppened back then
[23:31:14] <alex_joni> hmmm
[23:31:24] <alex_joni> this time io is starting
[23:31:30] <alex_joni> but it is the one reporting the problems
[23:32:20] <jmkasunich> the one other difference between emc3 and CVS is a sleep 1 added somewhere inside emc.run
[23:34:23] <jmkasunich> wtf? Is paul there too?
[23:34:58] <alex_joni> a happy crowd
[23:38:16] <anonimasu> lol
[23:38:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni recompiles
[23:41:04] <alex_joni> heh.. it just compiled hal_stg
[23:41:12] <alex_joni> which is broooken
[23:41:34] <Jymmm> how long has it been broken?
[23:41:41] <jmkasunich> it is brand new
[23:41:46] <Jymmm> ah
[23:41:58] <alex_joni> it wasn't anything else but broken yet ;)
[23:43:38] <Jymmm> getting killer deals all around today.... 5 heads of roman lettuce $2.83 pre=packaged, 5 lbs of cream cheese $4.25
[23:44:12] <alex_joni> ok.. seem to have found what's wrong
[23:45:53] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: recompile your folder
[23:46:09] <jmkasunich> just recompile, or check out?
[23:46:18] <alex_joni> recompile
[23:46:36] <jmkasunich> in progress
[23:46:40] <jmkasunich> what did you find?
[23:46:53] <alex_joni> a function beeing assumed which isn't there
[23:47:00] <jmkasunich> what function?
[23:47:12] <alex_joni> semtimedop
[23:47:14] <alex_joni> happy now?
[23:47:19] <alex_joni> :P
[23:47:20] <jmkasunich> no
[23:47:32] <alex_joni> thought so
[23:47:33] <alex_joni> :)
[23:47:40] <jmkasunich> just wtf is that... paul has been messing around with that recently
[23:48:05] <alex_joni> it's a helper function for x324fsg12h()
[23:48:20] <jmkasunich> ever since he added GNU_SOURCE to the makefiles
[23:48:28] <alex_joni> lol
[23:48:28] <alex_joni> kidding
[23:48:37] <alex_joni> this is unrelated
[23:48:38] <jmkasunich> I knew
[23:48:54] <alex_joni> semtimedop is a function in newer kernels >2.4.22
[23:49:08] <jmkasunich> right - the warning in sem.c is about that
[23:49:27] <alex_joni> I think
[23:49:37] <alex_joni> anyways.. it's supposed to iprove smthg
[23:49:39] <jmkasunich> but why did it work before
[23:49:46] <alex_joni> and ./configure thinks semtimedop is there
[23:49:49] <alex_joni> and it isn't
[23:51:29] <alex_joni> anyways.. emc should run
[23:51:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away
[23:52:42] <alex_joni> I'm too tired & pissed off because of this stg thingie ;)
[23:52:44] <alex_joni> night guys
[23:52:52] <jmkasunich> night alex
[23:54:34] <Jymmm> nigt alex_joni
[23:55:06] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hears 'stg' and keeps thinking those cheap I/O cards
[23:55:41] <jmkasunich> stg ain't cheap
[23:55:57] <jmkasunich> something like $800 for an ISA card
[23:56:05] <Jymmm> these are... like $5.00
[23:56:37] <Jymmm> like parallel and serial cards
