#emc | Logs for 2005-08-11

[00:01:31] <Jacky^> hey Phydbleep :)
[00:31:13] <Jymmm> wth is diesel rellay?
[00:31:15] <Jymmm> really
[01:55:17] <Jacky^> night
[01:55:23] <Jymmm> G'Night
[07:54:32] <anonimasu> hey alex_joni
[07:54:40] <alex_joni> hello
[07:54:46] <anonimasu> how's things?
[07:54:58] <alex_joni> tired
[07:55:04] <alex_joni> it's to early ;)
[07:55:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is toying around with the code for the racecacr
[07:55:07] <anonimasu> racecar..
[07:55:11] <Jacky^> hello
[07:55:14] <alex_joni> and my back aches like sh*t
[07:55:15] <anonimasu> I've been up 3 hours :/
[07:55:39] <anonimasu> * anonimasu regrets it
[07:55:52] <alex_joni> heh
[07:56:58] <anonimasu> but this is fun stuff
[07:57:06] <anonimasu> going to test it on a bench on the afternoon
[08:09:01] <alex_joni> what'cha doin?
[08:09:16] <Jymmm> getting ready to go to bed
[08:11:36] <Jacky^> Jymmm: bedtime ?
[08:12:18] <Jacky^> ;)
[08:17:02] <Jymmm> midnight
[08:17:23] <alex_joni> [10:18] <Jymmm> midnight
[08:19:57] <Jymmm> Ok ladies, I'm outta here... G'Night all
[08:42:54] <Yuga> hey all
[08:44:27] <Jacky^> morning Yuga
[08:51:33] <Yuga> whats up?
[08:52:58] <Jacky^> I bought a new router from ebay..
[08:54:45] <Yuga> so when is it getting delivered to my place?
[08:56:42] <Jacky^> hehe :)
[08:57:07] <Yuga> * Yuga is going to ring some of his student's neck's
[08:57:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[08:58:26] <Yuga> anonimasu... feel te same way
[08:58:33] <Yuga> need to be getting some sleep
[08:58:37] <anonimasu> I woke up too early
[08:59:27] <Jacky^> anonimasu: always at work
[08:59:37] <Jacky^> also when sleep :P
[08:59:51] <Jacky^> also when sleep :P
[08:59:55] <Jacky^> ops
[08:59:59] <Jacky^> :))
[09:01:13] <Jacky^> anonimasu: today im goint to try to solve chipload issue..
[09:02:26] <Jacky^> it's seem i'm not the only one having this issue
[09:02:35] <Jacky^> http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/CNC_tooling_Whats_the_best.html
[09:03:06] <anonimasu> :)
[09:03:07] <Jacky^> interesting post
[09:03:10] <Jacky^> hehe
[09:03:23] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is having rule issues
[09:03:39] <anonimasu> the technical reglement probits sensors on the gearbox
[09:04:03] <anonimasu> although there will probably be a special permit for it..
[09:04:12] <Jacky^> ?
[09:04:28] <Jacky^> it sound to me strange
[09:04:37] <anonimasu> why?
[09:04:46] <anonimasu> it's the FIA DIV 1 rallycross rules..
[09:04:48] <Jacky^> probits sensors on the gearbox..
[09:05:04] <anonimasu> ah, it's fear of traction control
[09:13:03] <anonimasu> :/
[09:13:10] <anonimasu> but I think I have a way around it..
[10:16:33] <Jacky^> mm
[10:16:35] <Jacky^> http://www.nyx.net/~smanley/tach/tach.html
[10:16:53] <Jacky^> this seem a nice tachometer
[10:17:07] <Jacky^> but i can't see any schematic :\
[12:33:19] <Yuga> hi all
[12:37:19] <anonimasu> hey
[12:37:25] <anonimasu> I've just moved the machine with the USC
[12:40:20] <Yuga> usc?
[12:40:34] <alex_joni> cool
[12:40:39] <alex_joni> anonimasu: what was wrong?
[12:44:31] <anonimasu> had to set the port to PPC
[12:46:20] <alex_joni> ppc?
[12:47:14] <anonimasu> yesh
[12:47:26] <alex_joni> wot's that?
[12:47:33] <anonimasu> EPP..
[12:47:40] <alex_joni> ahh
[12:47:45] <alex_joni> epp I know ;)
[12:47:47] <anonimasu> instead of ECP/EPP
[12:47:59] <alex_joni> right, using DMA?
[12:48:16] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:48:22] <alex_joni> you should tell JonE to update the info on his webpage
[12:48:28] <anonimasu> yeah..
[12:48:41] <anonimasu> I dont know if it uses dma..but I am pretty sure it does
[13:22:07] <alex_joni> if it runs EPP then it should
[13:23:42] <Jacky^> hi
[13:24:14] <Jacky^> anonimasu: then, pauls has suggested right
[13:24:32] <Jacky^> 22:31 < paul_c> try ECP/EPP
[13:24:47] <Jacky^> :)
[13:25:02] <alex_joni> ecp/epp didn't work
[13:25:06] <alex_joni> epp only worked
[13:26:10] <Jacky^> i mean, the clue was the port setup
[13:26:33] <anonimasu> I think I had epp first..
[13:26:47] <anonimasu> ah dosent matter now
[13:37:12] <alex_joni> http://www.rovinj.hr/kartaFlash/
[13:37:26] <alex_joni> anonimasu: it's where I'm going next week
[13:38:03] <anonimasu> no clue where that is
[13:38:04] <anonimasu> :D
[13:38:16] <alex_joni> hr=croatia
[13:38:20] <anonimasu> nice
[13:38:26] <alex_joni> it's very near from italy
[13:38:28] <anonimasu> it's nice I've heard
[13:38:33] <alex_joni> there are some nice pics on that link
[13:41:50] <alex_joni> follow "stari grad"
[13:43:10] <anonimasu> later
[13:43:11] <anonimasu> :)
[13:54:49] <alex_joni> later guys
[13:59:32] <cholass> heloo
[13:59:39] <cholass> hi
[13:59:46] <paul_c> Morning
[14:09:46] <paul_c> bye...
[14:28:10] <cholass> hi
[14:28:18] <paul_c> back again ?
[14:28:22] <cholass> yes
[14:28:36] <cholass> what is hapening here
[14:28:52] <paul_c> not alot today.
[18:29:46] <Jymmm> Has EMC *ALWAYS* been gpl?
[18:30:45] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I've moved the machine with the USC now
[18:31:10] <Jymmm> anonimasu what was the problem?
[18:31:40] <anonimasu> Jymmm: the port settings has to be EPP
[18:31:46] <anonimasu> instead of ECC/EPP
[18:31:48] <anonimasu> ;)
[18:31:58] <Jymmm> did you try ecc?
[18:32:23] <anonimasu> yes
[18:32:27] <anonimasu> and ecc/epp
[18:32:34] <anonimasu> I set it to epp, and it would work..
[18:32:37] <Jymmm> ok, well any improvement?
[18:32:43] <anonimasu> & I changed back to the orginal cable..
[18:32:45] <anonimasu> not yet..
[18:32:51] <anonimasu> still got one axis that does not move..
[18:32:55] <anonimasu> :)
[18:32:59] <anonimasu> need to check the wiring
[18:33:04] <anonimasu> but it seems FAST
[18:33:11] <Jymmm> what is fast?
[18:33:23] <anonimasu> the mill..
[18:33:24] <anonimasu> with the usc
[18:33:43] <Jymmm> diffence?
[18:33:49] <anonimasu> smooth.
[18:34:08] <anonimasu> I havent really made much..
[18:34:09] <Jymmm> speed difference?
[18:34:22] <anonimasu> hm, I couldnt push out pulses for over 2m/min
[18:34:30] <Jymmm> and now?
[18:34:30] <anonimasu> about 3.. with very very high period settings
[18:34:47] <anonimasu> max speed will be 7.5m/min
[18:35:09] <anonimasu> 295ipm
[18:35:40] <Jymmm> ah, cool. Got a hi-res pic yet?
[18:35:44] <anonimasu> no
[18:35:47] <anonimasu> no cam still
[18:35:53] <anonimasu> been working all day since morning then slept a bit
[18:35:59] <Jymmm> wth?! go beg/borrow/steal one
[18:36:28] <anonimasu> brb, going to go and set up the machine..
[18:36:38] <Jymmm> I already told you... sleep when you're dead
[18:36:42] <Jymmm> k
[18:37:00] <anonimasu> I didnt have much choice I fell asleep as I sat down in the sofa :)
[18:37:06] <Jymmm> lol
[18:37:11] <anonimasu> does that count as being dead?
[18:37:27] <Jymmm> I guess, but sounds like an excuse to me
[18:37:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu needs to write a specification of this racecar project..
[18:37:33] <Jymmm> there is always coffee
[18:37:56] <anonimasu> for the special permit required in the european championship..
[18:38:36] <anonimasu> * anonimasu will slam a pile of paper in their head
[18:39:11] <Jymmm> oh you're gonna write a whitepaper, but you can't write a simple letter?!
[18:39:20] <Jymmm> * Jymmm sighs * lol
[18:39:56] <anonimasu> yeah..
[18:39:57] <anonimasu> :)
[18:40:09] <anonimasu> I am dysfunctional.
[18:40:33] <anonimasu> brb
[18:40:35] <anonimasu> moving outside
[18:58:16] <anonimasu> iab
[19:18:17] <Jymmm> me 2
[19:18:46] <anonimasu> well, too tired to mess with setting up tonight
[19:18:54] <Jymmm> lol
[19:19:36] <Jymmm> well the weekend is almost upon us, get a camera, then play with it then.
[19:20:10] <anonimasu> I dont know if I'll have time either
[19:20:16] <anonimasu> might work over the weeked..
[19:20:19] <anonimasu> weekend..
[19:20:19] <Jymmm> ah
[19:20:22] <anonimasu> gut this project to finish
[19:20:33] <anonimasu> :)
[19:59:22] <Jymmm> howdy les
[20:50:15] <jerry> hello :)
[20:52:44] <jerry> how can I troubleshoot an uncommanded pause and will not resume ?
[20:53:53] <cradek> jerry: check dmesg
[20:53:58] <cradek> jerry: and turn on DEBUG in your ini
[20:54:59] <jerry> ok, i'll run check dmesg, debug hang on
[21:02:44] <jerry> nothing really jumps out and debug is0x7fffff in ini
[21:03:10] <cradek> you get no error popping up in a window, and nothing on stdout or in dmesg?
[21:03:28] <cradek> if you already have debug on, check your stdout
[21:03:44] <jerry> no and i've run this particular program twice with the same results
[21:04:24] <cradek> are you using emc1 or emc2?
[21:04:27] <jerry> i'll have to restart in command line mode
[21:16:33] <jerry> drew the part in qcad, sent to sheetcam to process, but its missing about six holes someplace along the line
[21:18:30] <cradek> oh! you mean it stopped at the end of the program?
[21:19:17] <jerry> yes, sheetcam doesn't send the tool home automagically, have manually input
[21:32:04] <Jymmm> cradek : I meant to ask you something yesterday, but totally forgot what it is! lol
[21:48:01] <alex_joni> greetings all
[21:48:50] <les> hi
[21:49:11] <alex_joni> wot's up les?
[21:49:20] <Jymmm> Well, shit... a generator is out, at least for a while anyway
[21:50:15] <les> brb phone
[21:51:06] <Jymmm> 2KW is $1100 and two of them cna be run in tandem. The 3KW is $1900 (has pull/remote start).
[21:52:58] <cradek> Jymmm: good, because I don't have to come up with an answer then
[21:53:24] <alex_joni> hey chris
[21:53:25] <Jymmm> cradek Not to worry, I'll eventually remember. Wait till I have some beer & bbq
[22:10:47] <alex_joni> yay..
[22:10:56] <alex_joni> just plugged the STG in, and the emc2 driver recognized it ;)
[22:13:05] <cradek> slick
[22:29:10] <alex_joni> still gotta hook up some devices and check the rest
[22:32:53] <alex_joni> brb
[22:39:57] <alex_joni> hmm.. seems I've been able to duplicate the bug reported by anonimasu
[22:40:21] <alex_joni> on a slow computer, with a pretty fast BASE_PERIOD
[22:40:29] <alex_joni> PII-233 MHz
[22:40:37] <alex_joni> and 30 usecs BASE_P
[22:40:54] <alex_joni> not really useable any more..
[22:42:42] <alex_joni> but the bug is there
[22:42:50] <alex_joni> after some serious mode switching
[22:44:35] <les> long skype call.
[22:44:57] <les> negotiating timelines for development of the silly air generator.
[22:45:37] <robin_sz> meep?
[22:48:36] <alex_joni> weeb
[22:53:21] <robin_sz> today, I got broadband at the factory
[22:53:28] <robin_sz> hoo fscking ray
[22:53:30] <alex_joni> heh
[22:53:42] <robin_sz> no longer will I always have the drawings at home
[22:53:48] <robin_sz> or the invoice not here
[22:53:50] <robin_sz> or .. etc
[22:54:20] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is trying to choose an offensive T shirt
[22:54:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni spots one: "I write code!"
[22:55:00] <robin_sz> how about "I've got nothing against god, it's his fan club I can't stand"
[22:56:18] <robin_sz> or "well, its not going to lick itself ..."
[22:58:28] <A_Guy> "Jesus loves you... every one else think's you are a asshole"
[22:58:37] <robin_sz> :)
[22:58:49] <alex_joni> heh, yeah
[22:58:51] <A_Guy> my fav one :)
[22:59:41] <robin_sz> kewl .. I can actually log into the fileserver abck at the office .. neato .. now, to set up the vpn tunnel so I dont have to :)
[23:00:19] <A_Guy> probibly be easyer to dig the tunnel
[23:00:31] <robin_sz> nah, its easy enough
[23:00:36] <alex_joni> robin_sz: if you read the VPN manual it says clearly:
[23:00:45] <robin_sz> generate some keys, share them about
[23:00:50] <alex_joni> a tunnel is dug the easiest if you start digging at both ends
[23:00:59] <robin_sz> heh
[23:01:11] <robin_sz> well, I have access to both ends now . so thats a start
[23:01:16] <alex_joni> lol.. yeah
[23:01:17] <A_Guy> alex_joni... probibly be even easyer if it was already there
[23:01:20] <alex_joni> what'cha using?
[23:01:27] <alex_joni> freeswan?
[23:01:31] <robin_sz> nah
[23:01:44] <robin_sz> * robin_sz tries to remember the name ...
[23:02:15] <alex_joni> ipsec?
[23:02:23] <alex_joni> poptop?
[23:02:31] <alex_joni> l2tp ?
[23:03:58] <robin_sz> openvpn
[23:04:36] <alex_joni> huh.. missed that one
[23:04:39] <alex_joni> tried the others :D
[23:04:47] <robin_sz> openvpn seems to work ok
[23:04:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders
[23:04:56] <robin_sz> I ran it in static key mode first
[23:04:58] <A_Guy> thats one thing i hate about the net... there are like a gazzillion programs... and they all do the same thing!
[23:05:00] <alex_joni> why would you want an open vpn ?
[23:05:03] <robin_sz> but did the full CA thing eventually
[23:05:04] <alex_joni> LOL
[23:05:23] <alex_joni> thought vpn
[23:05:32] <alex_joni> thought vpn's are for encrypting data
[23:05:36] <alex_joni> and locking things
[23:05:39] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:05:43] <alex_joni> no need for an open one ;)
[23:05:44] <alex_joni> lol
[23:05:55] <robin_sz> * robin_sz slaps alex_joni with a fish
[23:06:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni puts it on the bbq
[23:06:43] <robin_sz> now ... all I need to do is generate a new key for the new box so it can join in the fun
[23:10:50] <robin_sz> so, the US Digital guys have passe don my request for API data for their USB IO box
[23:18:21] <alex_joni> what happened with that rabbit stuf?
[23:23:41] <A_Guy> hey les.... u alive?
[23:35:41] <les> just walked in!
[23:37:18] <les> Robin, I have been negotiating development contracts.
[23:37:34] <les> 3 months?
[23:37:37] <gezr> howdy yall
[23:37:46] <les> they are proposing that.
[23:37:50] <les> hi gezr
[23:38:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is tired
[23:38:24] <les> 3 months...hmmm I like 1 year better.
[23:38:25] <alex_joni> still hunting a bug
[23:39:06] <alex_joni> not a fun thing on a slow machine :((
[23:39:12] <les> yeah.
[23:39:35] <alex_joni> but it doesn't show on fast machines
[23:40:09] <les> how slow is slow?
[23:41:07] <alex_joni> PII-233
[23:41:11] <Jacky^> hi all
[23:41:24] <alex_joni> emc is still starting
[23:41:32] <alex_joni> 3 minutes now
[23:41:39] <les> I run the big machine on only 200
[23:41:52] <les> hi jacky
[23:42:45] <alex_joni> kde?
[23:43:05] <les> It seemed servo emc actually ran faster on an old 150 than a 500!
[23:43:09] <les> yeah kde
[23:43:21] <alex_joni> lol
[23:43:24] <alex_joni> nice
[23:43:31] <robin_sz> kewl, it seems the Rabbit licensing issue is averted
[23:43:34] <alex_joni> well.. I'm pushing here with a fast PERIOD setting
[23:43:37] <alex_joni> robin_sz: link?
[23:43:40] <Jacky^> I like ION wm on slow machine
[23:43:54] <Jacky^> or evilwm
[23:43:55] <les> oh stepper is another issue entirely
[23:44:14] <robin_sz> alex_joni: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rabbit-semi/message/28992
[23:44:44] <les> Oh robin someone is now selling "those" cnc routers here
[23:44:52] <robin_sz> uh huh
[23:45:19] <les> Might have missed that boat...but I didn't have a product...what else could I do?
[23:45:51] <les> This guy is selling mach2 or whatever stepper
[23:46:00] <robin_sz> uh huh
[23:46:00] <les> as the control.
[23:46:15] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[23:46:19] <robin_sz> with the G200x . mach is going to be very kew;
[23:46:21] <les> I predict he won't get very far
[23:46:21] <anonimasu> well, didnt mach2 break lots?
[23:46:23] <alex_joni> hey anonimasu
[23:46:39] <alex_joni> anonimasu: been able to replicate the bug
[23:46:41] <robin_sz> anonimasu: yeah, but with external stepgen, its should be fine
[23:46:41] <les> but he does have iron in the US
[23:46:51] <anonimasu> alex_joni: What?
[23:46:54] <alex_joni> but only under stressfull conditions
[23:47:07] <anonimasu> alex_joni: the mode bug?
[23:47:11] <alex_joni> anonimasu: can you try smthg?
[23:47:13] <alex_joni> yup
[23:47:16] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes
[23:47:22] <alex_joni> try changing modes without homing
[23:47:28] <alex_joni> only enable the machine
[23:47:34] <alex_joni> and see if it locks up or not
[23:47:39] <anonimasu> makes no diff whatsoever
[23:47:49] <anonimasu> it's locked up when I changed modes in the middle of a program run
[23:47:52] <alex_joni> tried that?
[23:47:56] <anonimasu> so I had to jog it back to zero..
[23:47:59] <anonimasu> to restart emc
[23:48:00] <anonimasu> :)
[23:48:14] <alex_joni> no.. what I meant was at the beginning
[23:48:15] <alex_joni> start emc
[23:48:19] <alex_joni> and start changing modes
[23:48:24] <alex_joni> without homing
[23:48:31] <alex_joni> and see if it happens
[23:48:59] <anonimasu> I can tell you that it still happens..
[23:49:10] <anonimasu> I've never bothered to do it when paul & I were testing
[23:49:22] <alex_joni> ok.. I only got it when homed
[23:49:29] <anonimasu> hm, strange
[23:49:33] <anonimasu> increase your period..
[23:49:38] <anonimasu> and it should appear
[23:49:45] <alex_joni> it's 0.000030 now
[23:49:57] <alex_joni> with 0.000050 it's ok (the bug doesn't appear)
[23:50:01] <anonimasu> .25 does it always..
[23:50:03] <alex_joni> but 30 is almost unusable
[23:50:10] <alex_joni> it's a PII-233 here
[23:50:10] <anonimasu> hm, strange
[23:50:12] <anonimasu> :D
[23:50:22] <alex_joni> 3-4 mins for tkemc to pop up
[23:50:58] <les> robin: behold.
[23:51:00] <les> http://www.petitt57.com/
[23:51:55] <Jymmm> and all the SW too
[23:52:05] <anonimasu> hm
[23:52:07] <anonimasu> the specs suck.
[23:52:12] <anonimasu> X-Y-Z Working accuracy <0.02mm
[23:52:19] <les> yes.
[23:52:35] <les> We were discussing re engineering them.
[23:53:05] <les> .02....I doubt it!
[23:53:31] <les> Those machines needed servo emc
[23:53:38] <Jymmm> wait a sec... only 320lbs net weight?!
[23:53:45] <anonimasu> cast alu..
[23:53:51] <les> but until just a little while ago emc was too broken.
[23:54:11] <Jymmm> hell MY machien weights 80 lbs w/o motors or spindle
[23:54:31] <les> It's a diamond in the rough...some things are good...others horribly misengineered
[23:54:40] <anonimasu> 120kg..
[23:54:54] <anonimasu> my mill weighs somewhere around ~100kg
[23:55:57] <Jymmm> ya know... I would have bought one of these over what I have now.
[23:56:10] <les> It is very very light
[23:56:17] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:56:42] <anonimasu> it looks nice, but.. <0.02
[23:56:57] <Jymmm> it has everything on it.
[23:57:05] <Jymmm> anonimasu well, what do you want then?
[23:57:23] <anonimasu> Jymmm: > 0.01
[23:57:26] <les> I think it is highly likely there would be some problems.
[23:57:44] <Jymmm> anonimasu it says LESS THEN 0.02mm
[23:57:55] <les> You see, I have been talking to the manufacturer for a good while now
[23:57:59] <les> many months
[23:58:01] <anonimasu> ah, wrong way.*bein tired*
[23:58:56] <Jymmm> les Oh, I dont doubt it has it's problems, but all in all it's a place to start and improve as needed while still being able to be productive
[23:59:17] <anonimasu> heh
[23:59:41] <Jymmm> at least it can pay for the improvements itself