#emc | Logs for 2005-08-04

[00:00:04] <robin_z> phew
[00:00:11] <alex_joni> paul_c: you probably heard that..
[00:00:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hides
[00:00:45] <paul_c> alex_joni: wanna play roulette ?
[00:00:52] <alex_joni> lol.. maybe
[00:00:54] <paul_c> the prize is a ban.
[00:01:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni takes out his 9mm and hands it to paul with 1 bullet inside
[00:01:16] <alex_joni> you first
[00:01:30] <alex_joni> btw.. this is for real
[00:01:41] <alex_joni> I think I read it on darwinawards.com
[00:01:44] <robin_z> * robin_z puts up his umbrella
[00:01:57] <alex_joni> some guy playing russion rouletter with a semiautomatic weapon
[00:02:04] <alex_joni> ROFL
[00:02:10] <alex_joni> russian even
[00:02:24] <robin_z> irish roullette ;)
[00:02:36] <alex_joni> heh
[00:02:47] <alex_joni> at least it's not scottish roulette
[00:02:56] <paul_c> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2000-04.html
[00:02:57] <robin_z> quite
[00:02:57] <alex_joni> that involves lifting kilts
[00:03:20] <robin_z> the scottish are too mean to use bullets .. there is valuable copper in them you know
[00:03:39] <alex_joni> paul_c: so my memory still serves me a bit ;)
[00:05:53] <alex_joni> that's a nice site to waste your time on
[00:06:54] <alex_joni> ok..enough for today..
[00:06:55] <alex_joni> gnight
[00:08:44] <paul_c> http://darwinawards.com/legends/legends1998-10.html
[00:08:52] <Jacky^> robin_z: i like the servos but I can't afford it for now :(
[00:09:03] <Jacky^> I will wait
[01:12:56] <Jacky^> Gnight guys
[01:14:49] <Jymmm> G'Night Jacky^
[01:18:16] <Jymmm> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2000-09.html the footnote is sad.
[02:28:55] <gezr> howdy
[06:23:44] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, thanks for the info earlier
[06:43:44] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A np
[06:43:54] <Jymmm> http://www.phdcc.com/xpsp2.htm
[06:44:28] <Jymmm> you using macromedia?
[06:51:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[06:52:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I just needed really _root.<variable>
[06:53:19] <Jymmm> np, I usually DONT use macromedia =)
[08:58:32] <A_Guy> hey all
[08:59:59] <A_Guy> gosh... seems i am all alone :<
[09:21:46] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A gives A_Guy a poisonous cookie, and wanders off.
[09:22:03] <robin_z> shh, im sleeping
[09:22:18] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A gives robin_z a poisonous chocolate chip cookie, and wanders off.
[09:22:25] <robin_z> mmmm yum!
[09:22:38] <robin_z> * robin_z falls over
[09:22:46] <A-L-P-H-A> sprinkles are in the cobbert (how do you spell that?)
[09:22:56] <robin_z> cobbert?
[09:23:03] <robin_z> oh, cupboard
[09:23:08] <A-L-P-H-A> cupboard!
[09:23:29] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it... why the hell do we cunucks say it as cobbert.
[09:23:45] <robin_z> cup-board (pron cub-ord in the uk)
[09:23:56] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... same thing.
[09:24:27] <robin_z> its one of those bits of english to annoy people I think
[09:25:13] <robin_z> like cholmondley farquarson
[09:25:23] <A-L-P-H-A> like diagphram or some silly way of spelling it.
[09:25:48] <robin_z> pron chumley fanshaw
[09:26:00] <A-L-P-H-A> diaphragm.
[09:26:02] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it.
[09:26:08] <robin_z> he he
[09:26:20] <robin_z> right, time to go deliver parts
[09:26:42] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A expects robin_z to hand deliver those metal sex toys any moment now.
[09:27:03] <robin_z> they're great
[09:27:28] <robin_z> although, there does seem to be some customer resisitance to my choice of diesel as a power source
[09:27:29] <A-L-P-H-A> someone in my local toy makes them.
[09:27:45] <robin_z> really?
[09:27:47] <robin_z> coo
[09:29:01] <robin_z> "so mom, we got a new product line"
[09:29:11] <robin_z> "oh yes dear, and whats that?"
[09:29:28] <robin_z> right .. I must go
[09:35:44] <Jacky^> hi
[09:35:53] <A-L-P-H-A> toy
[09:35:57] <A-L-P-H-A> toy = area
[09:35:58] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha
[11:01:36] <A-L-P-H-A> ANONIMASU_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:01:48] <anonimasu_> alpha
[11:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> np
[11:01:56] <A-L-P-H-A> nm
[11:26:03] <gezr> must return to work
[11:27:11] <robin_z> nah
[11:27:15] <robin_z> work sucks ;)
[11:27:23] <A-L-P-H-A> gezr! damn... haven't seen you in a while.
[11:28:40] <gezr> yeah, work and a few other things, ill be back home in 12 hours or so
[11:28:54] <robin_z> how awful for you ;)
[12:19:29] <Yuga> * Yuga slaps anonimasu_ around a bit with a large trout
[16:10:02] <A_Guy> cool... just got my first piece for my machine
[16:10:49] <Jacky^> A_Guy: :)
[16:11:06] <Jacky^> what your first piece ?
[16:11:20] <A_Guy> z axis mounting plate
[16:11:46] <Jacky^> nice
[16:12:09] <A_Guy> 1cm thick stainless steel :)
[16:13:02] <Jacky^> should be strong
[16:13:06] <Jymmm> 1cm?! too small.... 10cm
[16:13:16] <Jacky^> Jymmmmmm :P
[16:13:23] <A_Guy> 1cm to small?
[16:13:39] <A_Guy> i am willing to bet u it's stronger than 20cm aluminium plate
[16:13:39] <Jymmm> A_Guy better yet, 100cm
[16:13:55] <anonimasu> what is stronger?
[16:14:04] <Jymmm> anonimasu your BO
[16:14:24] <A_Guy> anonimasu... pm
[16:14:31] <anonimasu> ah..
[16:14:35] <Jacky^> lol
[16:14:43] <Jacky^> O_o
[16:14:45] <Jymmm> you gonna mill the SS ?
[16:14:50] <A_Guy> nopes
[16:14:54] <A_Guy> it's for my mill :)
[16:15:08] <Jymmm> plasma cutter?
[16:15:15] <A_Guy> nopes... router
[16:15:26] <Jymmm> for SS?!
[16:15:46] <A_Guy> nooooo!!!!!
[16:15:46] <anonimasu> are you routing SS
[16:15:50] <anonimasu> or machining ss?
[16:15:55] <A_Guy> the y axis plate is ss
[16:15:55] <anonimasu> or building off SS
[16:15:55] <anonimasu> ?
[16:16:00] <anonimasu> can you machine it?
[16:16:03] <anonimasu> drill/cut/
[16:16:06] <A_Guy> building a machine... it's the 1st piect
[16:16:10] <A_Guy> e
[16:16:31] <Jymmm> A_Guy :Right, but how are you going to cut that 1cm thick SS plate?
[16:16:41] <A_Guy> noo
[16:16:43] <A_Guy> wood
[16:17:19] <Jymmm> you just said you got 1cm SS plate, I'm asking you how are you going to cut it?
[16:17:54] <A_Guy> noooooooo
[16:17:59] <A_Guy> it's part of the machine
[16:18:27] <Jymmm> A_Guy I don't care what you are building, I'm asking you how you are going to cut or shape the SS
[16:18:36] <Jymmm> you just received
[16:18:42] <A_Guy> Jymmm... did your mother drop u when u where young?
[16:18:56] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[16:18:57] <A_Guy> it's already cut
[16:19:03] <A_Guy> i bought it for the dam machine
[16:19:14] <A_Guy> it's cut... and even filed
[16:19:23] <Jymmm> A_Guy: thats what you should have said in the first place.... it's already cut.
[16:19:35] <A_Guy> aaarrrggg
[16:19:57] <Jymmm> you said plate, not precut plate, or pre fabed plate
[16:20:40] <A_Guy> dont have any intentions of cutting 10mm ss plate
[16:21:29] <Jymmm> neither would I, that's why I was curious as to the method you were going to do. Which is 'have it done for you'
[16:22:15] <A_Guy> well.. that was the part i was most worried about :)
[16:22:20] <A_Guy> and it got given to me :)
[16:22:25] <A_Guy> so it was uber cheap
[16:22:58] <Jymmm> I do have one piece of 10cm SS bar, it's bent 90deg on one end and a 1/2" hole punched in the other.
[16:23:16] <Jymmm> 1cm
[16:23:51] <Jymmm> that was one hell of a brake
[16:25:20] <Jymmm> must have been 20' wide
[16:50:45] <Jacky^> hi paul_c
[16:51:28] <paul_c> * paul_c prods anonimasu
[16:51:55] <anonimasu> ?
[16:52:18] <Jacky^> I applied yours suggestions, work great :)
[16:52:18] <anonimasu> hey
[16:52:29] <paul_c> is that ssh hole still open ? (might have a fix for your prob..)
[16:53:06] <anonimasu> yes
[17:01:07] <paul_c> had you recompiled anything on this box ?
[17:05:19] <Jymmm> with anonimasu I would suspect so.
[17:05:37] <Jacky^> hey Jymmm
[17:05:42] <Jymmm> hola Jacky^
[17:05:56] <Jacky^> i solved with thw wireless link :)
[17:06:09] <Jymmm> Jacky^ 2000m of cable?
[17:06:17] <Jacky^> nah..
[17:06:35] <Jacky^> I used 1 antenna TV on TX side
[17:06:55] <Jacky^> on the RX side i build a small antenna :)
[17:06:57] <Jymmm> TV antenna? liek rabbit ears?
[17:07:00] <Jacky^> work great
[17:07:14] <Jacky^> TV antenna, yes..
[17:07:27] <Jacky^> uhf 400-500 mhz
[17:07:35] <Jymmm> Never heard of using a TV antenna for transmitting.
[17:07:46] <Jacky^> i'm the first :)
[17:07:51] <Jacky^> it work great
[17:08:01] <Jacky^> orizontal polarity
[17:08:06] <Jacky^> :-)
[17:08:14] <Jymmm> just check for heat in the tranmitter
[17:08:20] <Jacky^> as directive antenna
[17:08:41] <Jacky^> Jymmm: you mean r.o.s. ?
[17:08:47] <Jacky^> no idea..
[17:08:59] <Jymmm> r.o.s. ??????
[17:09:03] <Jacky^> but its a small camera, 10 euro ..
[17:09:53] <Jacky^> Residuo Onde Stazionarie
[17:10:06] <Jacky^> how you say in English ?
[17:10:55] <cradek> swr
[17:10:55] <cradek> standing wave ratio
[17:11:02] <Jacky^> right
[17:12:51] <Jacky^> Jymmm: would be a good thing to test swr on antenna
[17:13:05] <Jacky^> but i've not swr meter for 400 mhz
[17:13:49] <Jacky^> when the TX will burn, i whill replace it with another
[17:14:09] <Jacky^> let see how much it work :)
[17:18:23] <Jymmm> ok, that works =)
[17:25:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm pokes robin_z to see if he's still alive
[18:12:04] <robin_z> oi! what?
[18:12:50] <robin_z> is that legal? transmitting in the 400-500mhz band?
[18:13:59] <fenn> hey what's a good way to generate a 15 Hz square wave at several kilovolts?
[18:14:14] <robin_z> umm, how many amps?
[18:14:19] <fenn> practically nil
[18:14:40] <robin_z> and what rise imes?
[18:14:43] <robin_z> times
[18:14:59] <fenn> no idea.. just trying to get some ideas
[18:15:36] <robin_z> well, a simple switcher at 20Khz, a cockcroft-walton multiplier, feedign a ballast resistor, a bit of feedback
[18:15:44] <anonimasu> fenn: well, a micro..
[18:16:06] <fenn> er, 15 hertz, not kilohertz
[18:16:11] <robin_z> quite simple really ... my neighbour builds lots of that sort fo stuff for multi-color CRTs for radar
[18:16:33] <robin_z> yeah, 15Hz .. .so switch at 20khz or so into the multiplier ..
[18:16:43] <robin_z> and gate it in 15hz lumps ...
[18:16:55] <fenn> sorry i have no idea what a cockroft-walton multiplier is
[18:17:08] <robin_z> diode-capacitor ladder
[18:17:26] <fenn> looking it up now
[18:18:02] <robin_z> depending on the rise times you need, you'll be able to claculate the size of the ballast resistor
[18:19:43] <robin_z> http://www.genvolt.co.uk/
[18:19:50] <robin_z> thes guys are next door to me
[18:21:07] <fenn> no wonder i could never find the HV transformer in a television set
[18:35:26] <robin_z> hey
[18:35:33] <alex_joni> hello
[18:35:41] <robin_z> well im a telly itc all part of the LOPT
[18:35:42] <alex_joni> did that alu mig work?
[18:35:49] <robin_z> not tried .. too busy
[18:49:14] <LawrenceG> any body on that does edm work? there has been some interesting discussion on homebrewpcbs of using edm to make pcb's
[18:51:37] <LawrenceG> using rasterscan of an pcb image and blowing the copper away where its not needed.... dont know what is being used for electrodes... maybe 0.5mm mechanical pencil graphite?
[19:04:25] <fenn> steel wire?
[19:05:28] <fenn> what's the advantage of using edm vs an endmill?
[19:06:21] <LawrenceG> endmills cost a lot of money and make fiberglass dust (nasty stuff)
[19:06:27] <anonimasu> fenn: it's like using a knife to cut a apple..
[19:06:34] <anonimasu> fenn: and using your fist.
[19:07:16] <anonimasu> fenn: atleast that's true for machining metal..
[19:07:19] <LawrenceG> good control is avaiable with edm... just blast the copper away where its not needed
[19:07:40] <anonimasu> you can machine hardened tool steel with edm ;)
[19:07:42] <anonimasu> without any force
[19:08:13] <Jacky^> i love iron and laser printer for pcb
[19:08:31] <LawrenceG> building the machine is not bad, but there seems to be a lack of edm power supply knowledge on the net
[19:08:34] <fenn> anonimasu: i meant with respect to PCB making
[19:08:52] <LawrenceG> http://cscott.net/Projects/FabClass/final/edesign1.html for gardem of edm supply
[19:09:19] <fenn> beautiful diagrams :)
[19:09:47] <LawrenceG> I dont think electronic design was his strong point....
[19:10:52] <LawrenceG> seems overly complicated
[19:11:00] <anonimasu> I need to design a EDM circuit someday
[19:11:10] <anonimasu> with a microprocessor controlled power supply
[19:11:59] <LawrenceG> thats the way I would go..... a pic or something similar that does spark generation plus the z axis spark gap control
[19:12:19] <anonimasu> hm, yeah
[19:12:24] <anonimasu> something like that
[19:12:32] <anonimasu> a pic to give feedback to emc
[19:13:22] <LawrenceG> it would be nice to have something that clamps in a the spindle and does its thing inside a small pan of edm fluid...
[19:13:59] <anonimasu> well, if I am going to do edm i would build a EDM machine..
[19:14:16] <fenn> why?
[19:14:18] <anonimasu> with linear rails, and servos with extreme encoders on..
[19:14:44] <fenn> unless you do EDM 24 hours a day, you might as well just use what you've got already
[19:14:45] <anonimasu> and even better ballscrews then I have on the mill..
[19:15:00] <LawrenceG> wire edm is cool but quite different than the plunge type machines
[19:15:12] <anonimasu> * anonimasu likes sink edm
[19:16:09] <LawrenceG> * LawrenceG would like to cut Harley belt buckles out of rattail files!
[19:16:33] <anonimasu> haha
[19:16:35] <anonimasu> neat
[19:16:43] <fenn> i like the idea of using a carbide insert to burn a suitable pocket to make an insert holder
[19:16:59] <anonimasu> fenn: because the positioning accuracy I would want when EDM:ing
[19:17:00] <robin_z> wire edm is a cool process but has its problems ..
[19:17:09] <robin_z> continual filtering of the water for a start
[19:17:27] <LawrenceG> interesting idea... could use regulat tool steel as the holder
[19:18:14] <anonimasu> fenn: when milling being able to take >0.00 is pretty good..
[19:18:32] <LawrenceG> I wonder if one could cut pcb copper dry
[19:18:35] <robin_z> all these "lets edm a PCB. Lets mill a PCB" .. intresteing ideas but so much slower and poorer results than simply etching one
[19:18:41] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:19:14] <anonimasu> fenn: when you are talking edm vs a mill it's like talking hammer & toothpick..
[19:19:21] <fenn> heh
[19:19:30] <anonimasu> you dont remove lots of stuff with a edm..
[19:19:42] <robin_z> EDM is cheap on the secondhand market ...
[19:19:50] <robin_z> lots of people scrapping out machines
[19:19:56] <anonimasu> robin_z: 10 000eur isnt cheap :D
[19:20:02] <LawrenceG> for 1 or 2 boards a year, keeping chemicals is a pain in the butt
[19:20:05] <anonimasu> well compared to the other toys I desire ;)
[19:20:13] <robin_z> eh, the last auction I went to, no one bought them ...
[19:20:14] <anonimasu> um
[19:20:17] <anonimasu> it's very cheap :D
[19:20:19] <robin_z> I think thye went scrap ...
[19:20:24] <anonimasu> "!!!�###
[19:20:31] <anonimasu> robin_z: you could have hogged one for $5
[19:20:37] <anonimasu> for me :D
[19:20:48] <LawrenceG> I'll give ya $10
[19:20:49] <robin_z> no space or time sadly
[19:20:56] <robin_z> but seriously
[19:21:08] <robin_z> a lot go scrap or on ebay
[19:21:18] <anonimasu> I cant shop on ebay :/
[19:21:25] <anonimasu> shipping from england can be done
[19:21:30] <anonimasu> but from US it's impossible..
[19:21:31] <robin_z> I still have 40kg of the DI pack for one
[19:21:36] <Jacky^> anonimasu: banned ? :P
[19:21:54] <anonimasu> Jacky^: shipping a 1000kg machine across the pond
[19:22:04] <Jacky^> hehe :)
[19:22:07] <anonimasu> or well make that 7000
[19:22:14] <anonimasu> it takes a container.
[19:22:17] <Jacky^> yeah..
[19:22:25] <robin_z> the 4 axis machines still fetch good money
[19:22:32] <anonimasu> yep
[19:22:54] <robin_z> but 2 axis is scrap ...
[19:23:42] <robin_z> heh, rhere is a "sinker" type machine for �30 ...
[19:24:24] <robin_z> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eurospark-spark-erroder-edm_W0QQitemZ7536018862QQcategoryZ64819QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[19:24:30] <LawrenceG> http://cgi.ebay.com/BROTHER-HS50A-4-AXIS-CNC-WIRE-EDM-w-450-Hrs-Mfg-2000_W0QQitemZ7533865844QQcategoryZ25277QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem loks a little pricey
[19:24:56] <robin_z> heh
[19:25:00] <robin_z> nice though ...
[19:25:04] <robin_z> but no bids
[19:30:06] <LawrenceG> http://cgi.ebay.com/Agie-DEM-315-EDM-Fast-Track-II_W0QQitemZ7534074661QQcategoryZ25277QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ... better, but who knows what the reserve is.... the controls look like something out of a frankenstein movie
[20:28:39] <Jymmmm> Is gcode like PostScript in teh respect you could concat three gcode files together and will produce the final product in it's entirety? text.ps + graphic.ps + border.ps = complete.ps
[20:32:07] <paul_c> You would need to grep for %, M02 & M30
[20:32:26] <Jymmmm> are those start/end codes?
[20:32:40] <paul_c> plus any startup blocks that might produce "interesting" reults.
[20:32:55] <alex_joni> end codes
[20:32:58] <Jymmmm> ok, less lil cavets for the most part it "can" be done?
[20:33:03] <alex_joni> usually you have a lot of G and M codes for setup at the beginning
[20:33:09] <alex_joni> Jymmmm: easily
[20:33:13] <alex_joni> one thing to take care
[20:33:14] <Jymmmm> ok, cool
[20:33:19] <alex_joni> if you got numbered lines
[20:33:35] <paul_c> cat file2.ngc >> file1.ngc
[20:33:38] <alex_joni> you'll need to take care of duplicate line numbers
[20:33:38] <Jymmmm> gotcha ya
[20:33:47] <alex_joni> or bad counts
[20:33:49] <paul_c> alex_joni: Incorrect.
[20:33:53] <alex_joni> it is?
[20:34:05] <alex_joni> well the standard says it shouldn't be ...
[20:34:11] <paul_c> N words are optional, and the numbers are ignored by EMC
[20:34:15] <alex_joni> say have 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,2,3,4,5
[20:34:27] <alex_joni> well.. he didn't say EMC ;)
[20:34:32] <paul_c> Look at 3D Chips
[20:34:46] <paul_c> * paul_c points to /topic
[20:34:53] <alex_joni> Jymmmm: you can do it :P
[20:34:58] <Jymmmm> k
[20:35:13] <alex_joni> paul_c: :P
[20:35:51] <paul_c> [nolog] pc_op: channelStats
[20:36:09] <paul_c> pc_op: channelStats
[20:36:24] <paul_c> pc_op: answer me damit
[20:36:30] <Jymmmm> pc_op : help
[20:36:35] <Jymmmm> pc_op: help
[20:36:41] <alex_joni> pc_op: ChannelStats
[20:36:43] <Jymmmm> DOA
[20:36:48] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
[20:36:50] <alex_joni> works in /msg
[20:37:00] <alex_joni> pc_op: ChannelStats #emc
[20:37:13] <alex_joni> paul_c: you might have turned the output to the channel off
[20:37:15] <alex_joni> :)
[20:49:51] <alex_joni> last one was bad
[20:49:58] <alex_joni> I liked the previous one ;)
[20:50:15] <alex_joni> Mode change "+o alex_joni" on channel #emc by pc_op
[20:57:28] <websys> paul_c - do you keep an archive of the adeos kernel headers?
[20:58:33] <paul_c> some...
[20:59:25] <websys> trying to build the nVidia driver to work on BDI but need source and headers
[20:59:38] <alex_joni> websys: they should be on the BDI
[20:59:52] <alex_joni> apt-get install kernel-headers kernel-source
[21:00:05] <websys> did that - can't find them
[21:00:11] <cradek> websys: the closed source nvidia driver won't work
[21:00:34] <websys> hmmm - so I'm wasting my time?
[21:00:43] <cradek> yes
[21:00:49] <websys> thx
[21:01:05] <cradek> welcome
[21:01:24] <websys> won't work on vanilla debian either?
[21:01:37] <alex_joni> maybe straciatella :)
[21:01:38] <cradek> it's (apparently) incompatible with a realtime kernel
[21:02:13] <cradek> I tried it only a couple months ago
[21:02:15] <alex_joni> cradek: maybe a HAL driver for the nvidia is needed ;)
[21:02:32] <alex_joni> some very fast DAC's in there :D
[21:03:21] <websys> What video card has the proper driver to support OpenGL completely?
[21:03:41] <cradek> most any video card will work with Mesa to do software OpenGL
[21:04:01] <websys> was looking for hardware accel
[21:04:01] <alex_joni> think he was asking about HW OpenGL
[21:04:18] <cradek> unfortunately I haven't found one that works with realtime.
[21:04:20] <alex_joni> nvidia works ok.. but not on patched kernels
[21:04:28] <cradek> but I also haven't looked too hard
[21:04:51] <cradek> I buy matrox cards because they have good open source drivers and matroxfb is the best framebuffer console.
[21:05:09] <cradek> (when I don't need hw opengl)
[21:05:18] <cradek> of course then I buy nvidia (at work)
[21:05:51] <websys> matrox has reasonable performance?
[21:06:08] <cradek> reasonable for what?
[21:06:13] <websys> nVidia software GL is a dog
[21:06:24] <cradek> what are you trying to run?
[21:06:38] <alex_joni> hmmm.. synergy?
[21:06:53] <alex_joni> just a hunch
[21:06:56] <alex_joni> g
[21:07:02] <cradek> don't know what that is
[21:07:09] <alex_joni> CAD/CAM
[21:07:09] <websys> Synergy - GL performance isn't good for solid models
[21:07:18] <alex_joni> included on the BDI
[21:07:27] <cradek> ah
[21:07:34] <alex_joni> developed by webersys
[21:07:39] <alex_joni> hence websys ;)
[21:07:43] <cradek> anything software will suck for that I suppose
[21:07:53] <websys> shhhh - don't give away secrets
[21:08:05] <alex_joni> websys: you can trust cradek ;)
[21:08:40] <alex_joni> I think ..
[21:08:47] <cradek> I use AXIS with my old matrox g4xx and it works great, but it only draws polylines and a very few polygons
[21:09:32] <cradek> I think some ATI cards have open source OpenGL drivers
[21:09:43] <cradek> maybe ask google?
[21:09:53] <websys> I'll go hunting
[21:10:08] <cradek> let me/us know if you find a good solution
[21:10:13] <cradek> for realtime + hardware opengl
[21:10:14] <websys> will do
[21:10:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni joins the us cradek talked about
[21:10:48] <cradek> heavy reliance on opengl for emc is pretty new, so we really don't know much
[21:11:05] <cradek> but I would really like realtime + hardware accel too.
[21:11:37] <alex_joni> hmm.. realtime hardware accel ;)
[21:11:56] <websys> if I find a card that gives the perf I need, I'll put it on my site with the debian info
[21:12:15] <cradek> it's too bad about nvidia's closed-sourceness
[21:12:50] <websys> I know - but they seem to be the most popular
[21:13:18] <alex_joni> well. they do have some ok performance, price is ok too
[21:14:02] <jepler> the radeon built into my laptop gets fairly decent opengl performance with fedora core 2, no extra drivers required
[21:14:18] <jepler> but I don't run anything tougher than AXIS and the occasional OpenGL screensaver
[21:14:30] <alex_joni> jepler: right, but how on a rt patched kernel?
[21:14:39] <alex_joni> btw, hello.. long time no see
[21:16:14] <alex_joni> heh.. I lived to see this ;)
[21:16:29] <alex_joni> These models provide an operator interface that is web browser based (i.e., written in html scripts with java or C applets), enabling the viewing of the display over a modem or network while also defining the (standard) technology for display customization.
[21:17:35] <jepler> ah yes .. now your software estop button has to combat the vagaries of running in userspace, plus java garbage collection, network latency and packet loss, and the general instability of web browsers
[21:18:09] <jepler> that's greeeat
[21:18:15] <alex_joni> yeah ;)
[21:23:33] <alex_joni> jepler: don't forget the webserver part on the other end
[21:27:11] <robin_z> meep?
[21:29:09] <alex_joni> hello
[21:30:07] <robin_z> hi
[21:30:24] <robin_z> oops, I seem to have rattled jmk's cage ;)
[21:30:30] <robin_z> not what I intended
[21:30:45] <robin_z> ah well ... he'll survive
[21:31:04] <alex_joni> again?
[21:31:05] <alex_joni> :P
[21:31:19] <robin_z> well, it was part of the same thread
[21:31:28] <alex_joni> gecko?
[21:31:31] <robin_z> yeah
[21:31:55] <robin_z> jmk was laying out some fairly tight requirememtns for what he wanted the Geck to implement
[21:32:21] <robin_z> I was just a little concernend that it might slow the project or add code bloat
[21:32:54] <websys> code getting bloated? Oh that never happens
[21:33:21] <robin_z> the gecko stuff is quite neat and tight at the moment
[21:33:31] <websys> this too shall pass
[21:33:43] <robin_z> well yeah
[21:34:08] <robin_z> hopefully the EMC variant will be entirely separate
[21:35:09] <websys> it'll just grow until it comsimes everything in it's path
[21:36:11] <robin_z> I accidentally mentioned NML, that seems to have set him off .. oops ;)
[21:36:36] <websys> Hey - I'm having a friendly battle with NML right now
[21:37:00] <robin_z> sigh ...
[21:37:11] <robin_z> you should look how its coded ;)
[21:37:17] <websys> I am
[21:37:25] <robin_z> you write C++ dont you?
[21:37:30] <websys> yes
[21:37:38] <robin_z> you'll find it ..
[21:37:39] <robin_z> hmm
[21:37:42] <robin_z> unique.
[21:37:49] <paul_c> robin_z: You had your chance to do something about NML, but you have abdicated. So stop whining about .
[21:38:03] <paul_c> IOW SHUT THE F>> UP>!
[21:38:03] <websys> looks more like C programmers unleashed in C++
[21:39:13] <websys> I'm not saying it's bad - it's functional
[21:39:25] <alex_joni> well... they wrote a book about it :)
[21:39:28] <robin_z> something like that ... I suspect whoever wrote it would like to have started again at some point, as the coding gets better eventually
[21:39:40] <robin_z> but he was in too deep ...
[21:39:50] <websys> yup - but no one ever goes back once it starts working
[21:39:55] <robin_z> quite
[21:40:20] <websys> but at least it is workable
[21:40:37] <alex_joni> and it's not that hard to work with it
[21:40:43] <robin_z> well, yeah, until you start wanting to add new stuff, which is where it tripped me up
[21:41:23] <alex_joni> others succeeded
[21:41:43] <robin_z> really? whom?
[21:41:44] <websys> just jave to be very creative
[21:41:51] <robin_z> well, yes ...
[21:41:54] <alex_joni> heh.. yeah
[21:42:05] <robin_z> I tried the creative approach, hijacking other messages for my means
[21:42:11] <robin_z> until I ran out of messages ;)
[21:42:24] <Jacky^> hi
[21:42:28] <websys> time for combination messages
[21:42:30] <robin_z> ah well, I guess I should stop caring
[21:42:38] <alex_joni> hi Jacky^
[21:42:50] <Jacky^> hey alex_joni
[21:42:52] <alex_joni> combinational messaging system
[21:42:54] <alex_joni> lol
[21:42:59] <robin_z> websys: what it needs is a generic message, rather than a variety of concrete messages
[21:43:07] <anonimasu> lol
[21:43:25] <Jacky^> :D
[21:43:38] <websys> so you set aside a message that has a subset of messages
[21:43:40] <anonimasu> somone has yet to propose such a system that works
[21:43:59] <websys> i.e. rpc
[21:44:07] <anonimasu> and that can be implemented without rewriting lots of emc..
[21:44:48] <robin_z> websys: imho, there should be just one message type, with routing etc doen by inspecting message properites, rather than message class
[21:45:06] <robin_z> anonimasu: I fear not ... rewriting is what it needs and its more than a one man job ...
[21:45:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs away
[21:45:18] <robin_z> ah, I should stop caring
[21:45:19] <websys> agreed but that's not the way it was setup
[21:45:26] <robin_z> I know ...
[21:45:41] <websys> so you work with what's there
[21:45:58] <robin_z> I tried and failed ... I sent 6 months trying
[21:46:03] <anonimasu> robin_z: why couldnt you add your own messages?
[21:46:28] <robin_z> anonimasu: and merge it all back into CVS?
[21:46:50] <anonimasu> robin_z: why would you merge it all back to cvs?
[21:46:59] <websys> that's it - we need a robin_sz message
[21:47:22] <robin_z> so I dont have re-write all mods everytime there is an update?
[21:47:32] <anonimasu> robin_z: proposed to the board what messages you needed?
[21:48:18] <robin_z> nay, I abandonned that idea long ago .. I just hang out here for the company these days ;)
[21:48:18] <anonimasu> #ifdef robin_sz
[21:48:34] <robin_z> liek we dont have enough #ifdefs already ;)
[21:48:45] <websys> #endif
[21:48:51] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps robin_sz for making excuses
[21:48:55] <anonimasu> :D
[21:49:31] <anonimasu> ^_^
[21:50:04] <anonimasu> #define robin_sz
[21:50:12] <paul_c> websys: Did you need any help with NML ?
[21:59:17] <Jymmm> whoa... asdfqwega! Finally got parolled huh?
[21:59:31] <alex_joni> heh
[22:00:14] <alex_joni> websys: we definately don't need a robin_sz message
[22:04:12] <alex_joni> pc_op is toggling
[22:04:21] <alex_joni> got the shivers
[22:09:23] <Jymmm> alex_joni DT's
[22:09:35] <alex_joni> DT?
[22:09:42] <Jymmm> Detox
[22:09:45] <anonimasu> eh?
[22:10:23] <Jymmm> http://health.allrefer.com/health/complicated-alcohol-abstinence-delirium-tremens-info.html
[22:15:48] <websys> Thanks Paul but it'll be better if I just dig into the bowels of NML myself so I can see the inner workings
[22:16:43] <Jacky^> do you think a laser diode retrived from an old printer can work in order to made homebuild 3D scanner ?
[22:17:03] <anonimasu> websys: bring a lifeboat
[22:17:17] <websys> a barge might be better
[22:17:25] <anonimasu> or well a emergency transmitter..
[22:17:46] <anonimasu> you know like thoose they have when they ski..
[22:17:50] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:17:53] <paul_c> Hi Astinus
[22:17:57] <anonimasu> you will be buried in shit :D
[22:18:00] <Astinus> Heya :o)
[22:18:05] <websys> I'll probably be sending distress calls to paul in a week or so
[22:18:07] <anonimasu> websys: good luck! :D
[22:18:12] <anonimasu> heh
[22:18:12] <paul_c> Had a liitle prob with the syntax for unbanning someone.
[22:18:31] <Astinus> Ahhhh! Okay :)
[22:18:32] <paul_c> * paul_c is a noob at this op lark.
[22:18:44] <Astinus> *g* Won't be long before you're a seasoned veteran
[22:19:01] <anonimasu> and do not forget the rope!
[22:19:07] <paul_c> well ... Thanks for responding
[22:19:35] <Astinus> Not at all, part of the service!!
[22:19:40] <websys> Is that rope for hanging myself?
[22:19:56] <anonimasu> yeah, or climbing out the hole you've dug..
[22:20:10] <anonimasu> if there's enough rope in the world ;)
[22:20:33] <paul_c> Astinus is one of the system Uber Ops
[22:22:11] <paul_c> anonimasu: You had been recompiling your kernel, hadn't you..
[22:22:23] <alex_joni> over and over again
[22:22:23] <anonimasu> paul_c: no, I was going to but it fscked up
[22:22:24] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:22:25] <alex_joni> :P
[22:22:35] <anonimasu> and I didnt feel like messing with it at the moment
[22:23:01] <paul_c> 'k... well it is messin up the RT compile now...
[22:23:25] <alex_joni> make prepare_all
[22:24:24] <anonimasu> i'll fix i
[22:24:54] <anonimasu> done.
[22:24:58] <anonimasu> will work in a bit
[22:25:08] <paul_c> already in there...
[22:25:08] <anonimasu> but the SMP stuff is still in the kernel
[22:26:42] <Jymmm> PID ?
[22:26:54] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:27:01] <anonimasu> paul_c: what?
[22:27:06] <alex_joni> Jymmm: pid?
[22:27:14] <Jymmm> alex_joni acronym for?
[22:27:35] <alex_joni> proportional integrative derivative
[22:28:04] <Jymmm> o_O
[22:28:18] <Jymmm> Position InDicator =)
[22:28:23] <alex_joni> :P
[22:28:31] <Jymmm> Position Indicator Device
[22:28:37] <Jymmm> there we go, that's the ticket!
[22:28:49] <alex_joni> Position Indicating Device
[22:28:50] <Jymmm> Position Indicator Doohickey
[22:30:31] <alex_joni> Personal Intrusive Donkey
[22:30:39] <Jymmm> is putting an encoder on my steppers under EMC a 'good thing', or more like buying a radar gun to use as an odometer?
[22:30:52] <alex_joni> it's ok
[22:31:00] <alex_joni> I would do it if I had the chance
[22:31:33] <Jymmm> but only EMC with PID can do it, not Mach TurboCNC or xyz controller?
[22:32:52] <paul_c> what encoder card do you have ?
[22:32:52] <Jymmm> wb alex_joni
[22:33:12] <Jymmm> paul_c I dont' have anything at all atm, just considering it
[22:33:16] <alex_joni> ty
[22:33:49] <Jymmm> the DRO aspects are nice, plus the ability to know if somethings is screwing is always a good thing.
[22:33:58] <Jymmm> screwing up
[22:34:32] <alex_joni> right.. and you can do better motion based on DRP
[22:34:34] <alex_joni> DRO
[22:34:39] <alex_joni> DRQ
[22:34:44] <alex_joni> and DRR ;)
[22:34:48] <Jymmm> DaiRy Queen ?
[22:34:58] <Jymmm> Bannana split CNCing
[22:35:10] <A_Guy> dam... there is a video on this one page i want... but no idea how to save it. cant view the source to get it.. any one have any ideas?
[22:35:32] <Jymmm> A_Guy penthouse.com?
[22:35:38] <A_Guy> nopes
[22:35:50] <Jymmm> A_Guy what you want us to guess the url?
[22:36:00] <A_Guy> http://www.jollygoodjokes.com/jgm_movie.asp?at_num=221
[22:36:53] <CIA-9> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/hal_stg.c: added ADC functions, reorganized the structure. still needs testing (check the first few lines for status)
[22:37:57] <Jymmm> cant view the source of the page?
[22:38:15] <Jymmm> CTRL+U
[22:38:18] <alex_joni>
[22:38:18] <A_Guy> nopes... that would make it easy
[22:38:33] <A_Guy> how u get it alex_joni?
[22:38:38] <Jymmm> CTRL+U
[22:38:41] <alex_joni> it's magic ;)
[22:38:59] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:39:03] <Jymmm> nite
[22:39:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni inits to runlevel 0
[22:39:16] <A_Guy> ?
[22:39:16] <paul_c>
[22:39:37] <Jymmm> 1.5MB
[22:39:45] <paul_c> that's the url for the vid.
[22:39:52] <alex_joni> paul_c: was 59 seconds faster ;)
[22:39:53] <A_Guy> how u get it?
[22:40:07] <alex_joni> A_Guy: just read the page source.. it's in there
[22:40:07] <Jymmm> wget
[22:40:42] <A_Guy> CTRL+U did work
[22:40:54] <paul_c> a clip from Drop The Dead Donkey.
[22:41:06] <anonimasu> lol
[22:41:11] <alex_joni> A_Guy: usually right click -> view page source
[22:41:16] <A_Guy> ok... no matter
[22:41:16] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:41:19] <A_Guy> found out how
[22:41:23] <A_Guy> thanks for the help
[22:42:40] <Jymmm> and for future reference, it's http://penthousemag.com/ =)
[22:43:54] <A_Guy> naa... i am good with the funnies :)
[22:47:31] <paul_c> http://bankruptcyprocessor.us/donttouchmybone 1.wmv - Mildly amusing...
[22:53:54] <paul_c> anonimasu: That's better... It appears to be compiling cleanly now.
[22:54:21] <anonimasu> GREAT
[22:54:22] <paul_c> but that damned mutex bug is still there....
[22:54:28] <anonimasu> :/
[22:54:31] <A_Guy> what a stupid dog!!!
[22:55:21] <paul_c> A_Guy: Have ever seen a boarder collie....
[22:55:32] <paul_c> with the legs of a jack russel ?
[22:56:25] <A_Guy> nopes
[22:57:00] <paul_c> got one here, and it looks real silly with six inch legs.
[22:57:42] <A_Guy> paul_c... any more vid's at that addy?
[22:58:20] <paul_c> dunno..
[23:01:59] <paul_c> anonimasu: A little prezzie for you in ~/
[23:04:10] <anonimasu> nice! :D
[23:04:32] <anonimasu> thanks :)
[23:05:05] <paul_c> rough draft, and I may add to it and/or modify.
[23:05:13] <anonimasu> :)
[23:06:08] <paul_c> but it will allow you to code slots around them.
[23:06:38] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[23:06:44] <A_Guy> gosh... where all the interesting ppl go?
[23:06:47] <anonimasu> great! :)
[23:07:22] <paul_c> emcStatus might cause problems...
[23:07:24] <anonimasu> it helps lots
[23:07:39] <anonimasu> hm, howcome?
[23:08:06] <paul_c> the qtlib already uses emcStatus
[23:08:47] <anonimasu> the one you gave to me before right?
[23:08:53] <paul_c> yes.
[23:09:05] <anonimasu> :)
[23:09:25] <paul_c> I've not tried joining the two together yet.
[23:09:52] <anonimasu> I've just looked at it, since I got my qt book and started playing with it afterwards :)
[23:09:57] <anonimasu> and I got busy with lots of work
[23:11:30] <paul_c> haven't looked at the qt stuff since April.
[23:13:21] <anonimasu> :D
[23:13:45] <anonimasu> that's about the time I started working lots :)
[23:21:17] <gezr> howdy
[23:22:06] <Jymmm> hola
[23:22:54] <paul_c> jessss... where did he appear from ?
[23:23:06] <Jymmm> the depths of hell
[23:23:13] <paul_c> * paul_c thought gezr was on the ban list.
[23:23:15] <gezr> heh, late last night Paul.
[23:23:16] <anonimasu> lol
[23:23:54] <gezr> we have been working untold hours at work. its been a busy year to say the least
[23:25:09] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega groans
[23:25:30] <Jymmm> asdfqwega stop getting thorn in jail
[23:25:35] <Jymmm> thown
[23:25:35] <asdfqwega> Cleaning for hours, and I'm still playing 'Find The Tool I Need'
[23:26:23] <gezr> was I banned?
[23:26:40] <asdfqwega> A unique niche in evolution exists in my shop: My tools have grown legs and move about on their own
[23:26:47] <anonimasu> asdfqwega: nope..
[23:26:50] <anonimasu> that's quite common
[23:27:04] <anonimasu> the tools at work do that also
[23:27:13] <anonimasu> gezr: paul's gotten a @ to he's name recently
[23:27:22] <anonimasu> gezr: it's going straight to the head dont worry about it *grins*
[23:27:28] <Jymmm> asdfqwega floresent PINK spray paint usually has a tendancy to prevent that
[23:27:38] <gezr> he has always been the channel owner and op
[23:28:03] <anonimasu> gezr: I know, but he usually isnt op:ed :)
[23:28:03] <paul_c> ;)
[23:29:11] <gezr> heh, ive been soo busy, Ive also been going to bed really early, it was getting to the point where I was only having about 2 hours of time at home so I sorta dropped everything outside of work and life. I have a bit more time now
[23:30:03] <asdfqwega> Oh mannnn...
[23:30:31] <asdfqwega> Thrown me on the cart next Thursday...I must be brain dead
[23:30:48] <asdfqwega> My voltmeter was sitting right on top of the monitor, right here!
[23:30:54] <paul_c> tool in your back pocket ?
[23:31:04] <Jymmm> paul_c you asked what encoder card I have, any suggestions to buy/build/look at ?
[23:31:32] <paul_c> well... The Kaluga card has a working driver for it.
[23:31:57] <asdfqwega> Tell him the price
[23:31:59] <A_Guy> any one every used visualmill?
[23:32:12] <anonimasu> A_Guy: yes
[23:32:20] <A_Guy> any good?
[23:32:26] <anonimasu> it works :)
[23:32:35] <A_Guy> dont sound to impressed :P
[23:32:47] <anonimasu> oh, it works good for it's price
[23:32:56] <A_Guy> i hear that u can use corel draw
[23:33:17] <anonimasu> depends on what you want to do
[23:33:27] <anonimasu> visualmill does nice 3d and stuff..
[23:33:29] <paul_c> Jymmm: http://www.timgoldstein.com/kulagadro/dro.html
[23:33:32] <anonimasu> :)
[23:33:43] <A_Guy> probibly start off with some 2d stuff :)
[23:33:44] <anonimasu> it does what it should do :)
[23:34:16] <Jymmm> paul_c thanks
[23:36:02] <Jymmm> heh, an ISA proto board.... like THAT isn't a relic these days
[23:36:33] <Jymmm> I'm still trying to figure out why nobody uses the game/midi port for anything
[23:41:15] <paul_c> Jymmm: You could try: http://www.usdigital.com/products/pci4e/
[23:41:32] <Jymmm> by the looks of this ( ) it seems it would be VERY easy to add encoders to it.
[23:42:10] <Jymmm> or am I missing soemthign here?
[23:45:59] <paul_c> 4 bits of input...
[23:46:35] <paul_c> If you feel energetic, a better bet might be using an fpga on the parport.
[23:46:49] <anonimasu> why not buy a USC
[23:46:52] <Jymmm> yeah four analog inputs.... XYZA ?
[23:47:07] <anonimasu> or a servocard from jon e
[23:47:20] <Jymmm> anonimasu well, how is yours working?
[23:47:31] <anonimasu> it havent arrived yet
[23:47:38] <anonimasu> but I think it'll be working nicely
[23:47:48] <Jymmm> anonimasu there ya go... you are my beta bitch and jsut dont know it yet!
[23:48:01] <paul_c> http://www.mesanet.com/motioncardinfo.html - Here's some more cards that you could use...
[23:48:04] <anonimasu> there are other people running USC's :)
[23:51:02] <Jymmm> w/o being a smartass.... is the midi port for a 3 axis machine not capable of being used as an encoder?
[23:51:52] <anonimasu> speed..
[23:52:10] <paul_c> to be honest, never looked at the midi port for anything.
[23:52:11] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[23:52:21] <anonimasu> but if you would build hardware counters and stuff..
[23:52:28] <anonimasu> you could probably use it..
[23:52:39] <Jymmm> spped issue I understand... but I've known them to be used for musical keybords and such
[23:53:10] <Jymmm> game port just seems to be a bastard stepchild is all
[23:53:19] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:53:34] <anonimasu> but for reading counter chips and stuff
[23:53:35] <anonimasu> yes..
[23:53:35] <Jacky^> anyone has experience with 3D scanner ?
[23:53:37] <Jymmm> hey you even have +5VDC direct
[23:53:38] <anonimasu> it'd be fast enough
[23:53:40] <Jacky^> yes ?
[23:53:44] <Jacky^> :)
[23:54:27] <anonimasu> but not for actually counting.. each pulse
[23:55:29] <paul_c> > I should probably just let this drop. You are well and truly
[23:55:29] <paul_c> > done with EMC, and we're probably just annoying other people
[23:55:29] <paul_c> > with this debate.
[23:55:30] <paul_c> Oh I dunno, they havent banned me yet ;)
[23:55:49] <paul_c> <for those that read the gecko list...>
[23:56:36] <paul_c> Jacky^: Did you look @ the splinescan site ?
[23:56:46] <Jacky^> paul_c: yeah. nice
[23:56:58] <Jacky^> I cant understand a thing about the software
[23:57:45] <paul_c> suggestion: oin the mailing list and bug them....
[23:57:50] <Jacky^> i download python-scan-py
[23:58:04] <paul_c> then write a scanning module for emc
[23:58:52] <Jacky^> as they say on the website should be simple to use
[23:59:56] <Jacky^> This python script will take a drecotry of laser line scan images and convert them into a 3D point cloud