#emc | Logs for 2005-08-03

[00:00:34] <Jacky^> well, I chosen them :)
[00:00:37] <Jacky^> thanks
[00:01:03] <Jymmm> dewalt is B&D
[00:01:14] <robin_sz> internationaltool.com is a good site ...
[00:01:18] <robin_sz> really?
[00:01:18] <Jacky^> Jymmm: probably
[00:01:26] <robin_sz> B&D bought out dewalt?
[00:01:28] <robin_sz> coo
[00:01:37] <Jymmm> about 10 years ago
[00:01:39] <Jacky^> also bosch have 2 series i think
[00:01:42] <robin_sz> B&D have a reputation for making crap in the UK
[00:01:47] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:01:50] <Jacky^> standard and professional
[00:01:54] <robin_sz> bosck green is crap
[00:01:54] <Jymmm> here too
[00:02:00] <Jacky^> it made the difference
[00:02:54] <Jymmm> I bought a Craftsman Prof 2.25 HP variable speed router + the 2yr instant replacement warranty
[00:02:56] <robin_sz> DeWalt doa range of routers with electronic control ..
[00:03:51] <Jacky^> Jymmm: Craftsman ? never heard here :(
[00:04:04] <Jymmm> Jacky^ : Craftsman is Sears
[00:04:33] <robin_sz> the DEWDW618 looks nice .. 179 dollars
[00:04:35] <Jacky^> the name dont say nothing to me..
[00:04:46] <Jacky^> it's US exclusive maybe ?
[00:05:03] <Jymmm> Sears, Roebuck and Co.
[00:05:31] <Jymmm> only been around about a hundred years or so
[00:05:44] <anonimasu> hm, this reminds me of that big scary router les posted..
[00:05:58] <anonimasu> cant remember the name..
[00:06:06] <Jymmm> Jacky^ Sears, Roebuck and Co. is a department store here in the US
[00:06:22] <robin_sz> never heard of them
[00:06:42] <Jacky^> Jymmm: I've seen the link
[00:06:42] <Jymmm> Jacky^ they carry their own line of products, their handtools have a lifetime warranty.
[00:07:00] <Jymmm> their electrical tools are OEM
[00:07:01] <Jacky^> lifetime..
[00:07:28] <Jymmm> Yeah, it's actually a 'lifetime satisfaction warranty' on hand tools.
[00:07:29] <Jacky^> great
[00:08:02] <Jymmm> The 'Craftsman Drill Press' I have is really a delta
[00:08:43] <Jacky^> here many things are made in order to be consumed
[00:09:10] <Jymmm> here, if it's not on the shelf you usually lost the sale to the store next door
[00:09:13] <Jacky^> these guarantees do not exist
[00:09:58] <Jymmm> Sears is open 7 days a week, so if the router breaks at 11am on a Sunday morning, I can instantly replace it.
[00:10:20] <Jymmm> no need to send it in for repair.
[00:10:24] <Jymmm> under warranty
[00:10:30] <Jacky^> Jymmm: very nice service
[00:10:49] <Jymmm> well, that's with the extended warranty I bought.... an additional $30
[00:10:53] <Jymmm> for 2yrs
[00:10:57] <Jacky^> think for a router that work 24/24 ...
[00:11:39] <Jacky^> they repair it?
[00:11:50] <Jymmm> 24/24 ?
[00:12:09] <Jacky^> or they say that it has been used in improper way?
[00:12:18] <Jacky^> 24 hours/24
[00:12:24] <Jymmm> 24/7/365
[00:12:29] <Jacky^> hehe
[00:12:32] <Jacky^> :))
[00:12:59] <Jymmm> Nah, Sears has a liberal return policy. You usually dont get any slack from the clerks
[00:13:36] <Jacky^> nice :)
[00:17:13] <Jacky^> I could not enjoy this service here
[00:17:37] <Jacky^> I will buy a Dewalt
[00:18:15] <Jymmm> http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00926620000&bidsite=CRAFT
[00:18:23] <Jymmm> that is what I have Jacky^
[00:20:16] <Jacky^> seem very nice
[00:21:23] <Jacky^> yeah..
[00:21:47] <Jymmm> I think les likes porter cable, but I think he uses the bigger ones... like 5hp
[00:22:02] <Jymmm> the quietest ones are mikta iirc
[00:22:08] <Jymmm> makita
[00:24:08] <Yuga> * Yuga likes the one for 2k... :)
[00:24:53] <Jacky^> hey Yuga
[00:25:11] <Jacky^> how proceed the machine job ?
[00:25:17] <Yuga> yes... i am still around :)
[00:25:26] <Jacky^> :-)
[00:25:34] <Yuga> the machine is comming along nicely
[00:25:43] <Yuga> think i have all the needed cash
[00:25:47] <Yuga> well hopefully
[00:25:58] <Yuga> the ballscrews have broken the bank
[00:26:00] <Jacky^> hehe :)
[00:29:17] <Jacky^> Yuga: got a pictures of ballscrews you chosen ?
[00:29:49] <robin_sz> Jacky^: the big dewalt I had was probably too big ... I loved the quality, and the electronic control ... perhaps a smaller one with electronic control will be a better choice
[00:30:29] <Yuga> http://www.mcmaster.com/ <--- search for ball screw... that's the buggers
[00:30:49] <robin_sz> wow ...
[00:30:56] <Yuga> wow?
[00:30:59] <robin_sz> apple finally launched a 3 button mouse
[00:31:17] <Yuga> robin_sz... that was like months ago :P
[00:31:19] <Yuga> hehe
[00:31:24] <Jacky^> robin_sz: well, I will hold account of your suggestions
[00:31:46] <robin_sz> you know what they say about Mac users?
[00:31:54] <Yuga> bunch of wankers?
[00:31:57] <robin_sz> one button mice, for one braincell users
[00:34:50] <Yuga> robin_sz... u killed the convo!!!
[00:39:11] <robin_sz> heh,
[00:39:30] <robin_sz> thats OK, you shold have seen the religious war I started on the gecko list ;)
[00:39:42] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has samba running again
[00:39:44] <anonimasu> on the mill
[00:39:45] <anonimasu> :9
[00:39:46] <anonimasu> :)
[00:40:39] <robin_sz> oops, look slike Cisco is in the doo doo
[00:42:08] <robin_sz> wonder how long before an IOS exploit hits the 'net?
[00:42:18] <anonimasu> 35 minutes
[00:42:21] <anonimasu> if not less..
[00:48:00] <Jymmm> No way! Will neve...NO CARRIER...
[00:48:26] <Jymmm> oooops, guess I spoke too soon! lol
[00:48:41] <Jymmm> Canada's down
[01:00:06] <anonimasu> :)
[01:08:53] <Jacky^> Gnight all
[01:09:22] <anonimasu> night
[01:14:05] <Jymmm> I FINALLY got all the files transfered over, but I think I'm gonna run out of romm on the HDD indexing them =(
[01:14:11] <Jymmm> only 600MB left
[02:28:02] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.petebevin.com/archives/2005/03/10/firefox_popups.html
[02:32:21] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A thats the best thing I've heard from you all week =)
[02:32:25] <Jymmm> lol
[02:32:30] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A how ya doin?
[02:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I haven't even been here.
[02:32:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I've been out most days
[02:32:44] <A-L-P-H-A> spending money I don't have. :(
[02:32:49] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I know, just pullin your chain =)
[02:32:52] <A-L-P-H-A> die. :)
[02:34:19] <RonB> thanks A-L-P-H-A
[02:42:06] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A well, whatcha buying?
[02:43:55] <A-L-P-H-A> absolutely nothing.
[02:43:58] <A-L-P-H-A> just food.
[02:44:10] <A-L-P-H-A> won some poker money as well... nothing huge.
[02:48:09] <Jymmm> ah
[03:18:47] <Jymmm> it's so difficult to find a good font manager =(
[03:45:02] <Jymmm> hey LawrenceG
[07:10:40] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[07:10:40] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[09:56:01] <anonimasu> moening
[09:58:14] <A_Guy> well nearly afternoon :P
[09:58:21] <anonimasu> heh
[09:58:22] <anonimasu> yeah
[09:58:35] <anonimasu> I spent last night setting up the mill and overslept for work..
[09:58:47] <anonimasu> but I need the mill to prototype some part for work.. so it's not a big issue..
[09:59:41] <A_Guy> oh yes... hows that comming along?
[09:59:53] <anonimasu> the part?0
[10:00:08] <A_Guy> ya
[10:00:28] <anonimasu> oh, it
[10:00:45] <anonimasu> the toolpath is done, I just need to put some plastic on the mill :)
[10:01:05] <A_Guy> how long it take u to get the toolpath right?
[10:01:14] <anonimasu> hm, a couple of minutes
[10:01:44] <A_Guy> u make it sound like a huge stepping stole :)
[10:01:50] <A_Guy> stole = stone
[10:02:01] <anonimasu> did you see the part?
[10:02:18] <anonimasu> a broken emc wont make parts :)
[10:02:22] <A_Guy> the one i said u need some colorfull buttons on?
[10:02:22] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/panel.jpg
[10:02:28] <anonimasu> eah
[10:02:30] <anonimasu> yeah..
[10:02:49] <A_Guy> and u going to use the superglue idea :)
[10:03:02] <A_Guy> going to charge u to the right's on that idea :)
[10:03:55] <anonimasu> heh
[10:04:09] <anonimasu> I am not using superglue.. I'll be using a thick piece of plastic and machine it almost through
[10:04:51] <A_Guy> how big is this thing u are making?
[10:04:56] <anonimasu> 9cm
[10:05:21] <A_Guy> lol... make your plans smaller... looks friggin huge there :P
[10:05:41] <anonimasu> I wish it were 9m
[10:05:42] <anonimasu> :D
[10:05:51] <anonimasu> brb lunch
[10:06:12] <A_Guy> A_Guy is now known as Yuga
[10:16:53] <cncuser> good morning :)
[10:18:35] <Yuga> nothing realy good about this morning
[10:18:38] <cncuser> is there a emc 2 emc2 migragionguide or changes log or something ? seems like configs have changed, also freqmod isnt there
[10:18:46] <Yuga> actualy dont think it was worth waking up
[10:18:51] <cncuser> yuga: hehehe
[10:19:13] <cncuser> yuga: @ work ? ;)
[10:19:43] <Yuga> nopes
[10:19:46] <Yuga> at home
[10:19:58] <cncuser> yuga: so what, go bed to bed ;)
[10:20:01] <Yuga> but this is where i work...
[10:20:03] <cncuser> back2 bed
[10:20:15] <Yuga> yes... am contemplating going back to bed and wake up tomorro
[10:20:16] <cncuser> has its pros and cpons :)
[10:20:26] <Yuga> 48hours of sleep has never killed any one
[10:20:33] <Yuga> i dont think
[10:21:03] <Yuga> but then again.... i could make history :P
[10:21:04] <cncuser> i think the same, aslong as your not dehydratin or freezing while asleep
[10:23:19] <Jacky^> G morning
[10:23:31] <Yuga> what is with all u ppl?????????????????
[10:23:44] <Yuga> Jacky^... there is noooooo such thing as a good morning
[10:24:00] <Jacky^> Yuga: ?
[10:24:11] <Jacky^> what happen ?
[10:24:18] <cncuser> hmm, motmod is my friend :)
[10:24:28] <Yuga> the sun came up... that's what happened
[10:24:44] <Yuga> make the big evil ball in the sky go away!
[10:25:01] <Jacky^> ah.. here today strong wind :S
[10:25:17] <Yuga> same here... and it's friggin cold
[10:25:21] <Jacky^> not a good day for paint :)
[10:25:25] <Yuga> contemplaying turing the aircon on
[10:26:45] <Jacky^> :)
[10:27:05] <Yuga> friggin y and t are to close on the key board :P
[10:27:41] <cncuser> yuga: on mine its about 80mm distance ;)
[10:28:00] <cncuser> just use a qwertz layout ;)
[10:28:04] <cncuser> for more sunshine
[10:28:55] <Yuga> mine was about 20m apart the other day... got pissed off... snaped keyboard in half... and tossed the one half
[10:29:11] <Yuga> the other half was still atached to the pc or i would of tossed it to :)
[10:30:07] <cncuser> barabrian ;)
[10:30:16] <Yuga> yes?
[10:30:25] <cncuser> i ment barbarian
[10:30:37] <cncuser> ;)
[10:30:41] <Yuga> well keyboards are cheap... so it wasnt that bad :)
[10:31:03] <Yuga> my one bud got pissed off and snaped his expencive remote in half :)
[10:31:08] <Yuga> 300$ later :)
[10:31:46] <cncuser> yuga: also a possibility
[10:32:03] <cncuser> maybe the learningfactor is higher this way
[10:32:43] <Yuga> ok... i am off to go have some tea
[10:32:47] <Yuga> bbl
[10:33:13] <Jacky^> Yuga: http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6766
[10:33:17] <cncuser> try to trash something valuable on the way ;)
[10:33:30] <cncuser> of course only things you own
[10:34:23] <cncuser> hmm, emc2 doesnt want to return from an estop
[10:35:01] <cncuser> ha, got it )
[10:35:04] <cncuser> my fault
[10:35:50] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[10:35:54] <Jacky^afk> later
[10:43:20] <anonimasu> iab
[10:43:43] <cncuser> hi anonimasu :)
[10:43:57] <anonimasu> cncuser: if you need any help with setting up emc2 I might be able to help you out
[10:45:06] <cncuser> anonimasu: thank you. i got emc2 up and running (as root, dont know why it needs uid 0). i think next thing will be adjusting the ini so my circles dont look like elipses ;)
[10:45:22] <anonimasu> elipses
[10:45:29] <cncuser> anonimasu: right :)
[10:45:36] <anonimasu> the only way that should happen is if you have your input_scale's set wrong..
[10:45:38] <anonimasu> or well miscalculated
[10:45:55] <anonimasu> the reason it needs uid0 is because it has to load modules :)
[10:46:00] <anonimasu> sudo ./scripts/emc.run
[10:46:11] <anonimasu> unless you donwloaded and compiled it as root
[10:46:28] <cncuser> anonimasu: i havent changed anything but the min/max limits in the ini. i think i must configure it for my steppers (like how much degrees = much steps / total spin around)
[10:46:45] <anonimasu> cncuser: what input_scale is steps per unit..
[10:46:56] <anonimasu> :)
[10:46:56] <cncuser> anonimasu: i c ;) ok, so emc too, but the sudo was hidden in the startscript
[10:47:24] <anonimasu> cncuser: just change input_scale right and you should be on your way :)
[10:47:28] <cncuser> 4000 0
[10:47:44] <cncuser> huch, ok, now i need the specs, damn vtiff images ;(
[10:48:07] <anonimasu> vtiff?
[10:48:10] <cncuser> its hsm265-sc2 steppers, for anyone interested
[10:48:14] <cncuser> tiff ;)
[10:52:00] <cncuser> this looks good: INPUT_SCALE = pulses for revolution / traveldistance
[10:52:04] <cncuser> form an faq
[10:52:29] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[10:52:41] <anonimasu> pulses per UNIT
[10:52:45] <anonimasu> in the config file
[10:54:14] <cncuser> fullstepp 1,8
[10:54:26] <cncuser> hmm, ok the rest i have to meassure myself
[10:54:29] <anonimasu> what are your screws?
[10:54:36] <anonimasu> it's much better to calculate it
[10:55:00] <cncuser> anonimasu: hmm, dont know, but i find out.
[10:55:13] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[10:55:24] <anonimasu> if you do find out I can help you calculate it :)
[10:55:49] <cncuser> nice :)
[10:59:16] <cncuser> 1mm /turn
[11:00:02] <anonimasu> and your gearing
[11:00:18] <cncuser> 360/1.6/1=225
[11:00:31] <cncuser> gearing ?
[11:00:36] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:00:36] <cncuser> no
[11:00:40] <anonimasu> do you have any gearing at all
[11:00:43] <anonimasu> or do you do direct drive?
[11:00:56] <cncuser> no gears, direct drive, the steppers are mountet on the spindle
[11:01:03] <anonimasu> ah
[11:01:14] <anonimasu> just set your INPUT_SCALE=pulses per turn
[11:01:33] <cncuser> yes :)
[11:01:49] <anonimasu> then you should be good to go :)
[11:02:06] <cncuser> hm, there is a second value in the INPUT_SCALE options line, saying 0
[11:03:51] <anonimasu> I have no idea what that does..
[11:03:56] <anonimasu> but you shuld leave it as 0
[11:04:03] <cncuser> yesy, ill do that ;)
[11:04:18] <cncuser> now i take a look at output_scale
[11:04:27] <paul_c> anonimasu: DAC offset for servo systems
[11:04:31] <cncuser> a the same
[11:04:56] <anonimasu> paul_c: ah thanks :)
[11:05:18] <cncuser> ic paulc
[11:05:21] <anonimasu> paul_c: is the change you made to the tp into the pub cvs yet?
[11:05:44] <cncuser> paul_c: btw, thanks for the debs :)) i heard you made them :)
[11:05:50] <paul_c> yes. both emc1 & 2
[11:05:55] <anonimasu> great
[11:06:18] <paul_c> cncuser: What server have you been using ?
[11:06:22] <anonimasu> I finally found motivation to work on the QT stuff again
[11:06:40] <cncuser> paul_c: the repository on the bdi cdrom ;)
[11:06:57] <paul_c> 'k
[11:07:15] <paul_c> There is also a repo with some updates....
[11:07:20] <anonimasu> so I might finally get something done
[11:07:34] <cncuser> paul_c: whats the feed ?
[11:07:45] <cncuser> i love updates ;)
[11:07:47] <paul_c> anonimasu: Got the NML hooks split out ready for slots to be attached.
[11:07:59] <cncuser> milling on the edge ;)
[11:08:19] <anonimasu> paul_c: you mailed me the code before, if i remember it right
[11:08:31] <anonimasu> or have you been doing any more work on it?
[11:08:51] <paul_c> cncuser: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian
[11:09:14] <cncuser> thanks paul_c
[11:09:34] <paul_c> anonimasu: Not on the Qt stuff directly.
[11:10:16] <paul_c> just prepping the NML hooks for the next stage.
[11:10:28] <anonimasu> mind mailing me the stuff you've got so far?
[11:10:50] <anonimasu> I kind of stopped since I had no idea about the diff between libnml and rcslib..
[11:10:59] <cncuser> The following packages will be upgraded:
[11:10:59] <cncuser> emc
[11:11:04] <anonimasu> :)
[11:11:42] <paul_c> anonimasu: As far as programming for, there is no difference between libnml & rcslib.
[11:12:09] <anonimasu> ok
[11:12:19] <paul_c> A couple of low level class names have changed from all upper case to lower case.
[11:12:40] <paul_c> INIFILE is now Inifile
[11:13:20] <anonimasu> ah not a big deal then... I looked throuch the source earlier today before I went to work :)
[11:14:07] <anonimasu> through..
[11:14:08] <paul_c> LINKEDLIST is now LinkedList
[11:14:33] <Yuga> dont know y they where all in uppercase to start with
[11:15:13] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[11:15:14] <paul_c> Yuga: You really don't want to look at the low level NML code...
[11:15:34] <Jacky^> morning again
[11:15:55] <anonimasu> paul_c: as for interface I was thinking something centroid-ish
[11:15:59] <Yuga> thats betta... cause it still isnt looking any better
[11:16:06] <Yuga> besides... it's afternoon now :)
[11:16:20] <anonimasu> seen the interface they have?
[11:16:38] <anonimasu> atleast it is in the right direction
[11:16:43] <paul_c> HMI interface ?
[11:17:02] <anonimasu> yeah the gui..
[11:17:07] <anonimasu> for loading and stuff..
[11:17:14] <paul_c> no I haven't
[11:17:22] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/
[11:17:27] <Yuga> some one show me a screen shot... i am feeling left in the dark!
[11:17:34] <anonimasu> fullscreen with tabs on the bottom..
[11:17:59] <paul_c> "Your browser doesn't support the navigation menu of this website. Please upgrade your browser to view this site."
[11:18:05] <anonimasu> heh
[11:18:05] <anonimasu> wait..
[11:18:07] <paul_c> cheeky buggers.
[11:18:11] <cncuser> and then a redirect that does go nowhere ;)
[11:18:21] <cncuser> some admin gonna have something todo today
[11:19:27] <cncuser> are you talking about guis ?
[11:19:42] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/cad2cnc.htm
[11:19:43] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:20:15] <anonimasu> trying to find a good screenshot
[11:20:22] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/m400.htm
[11:20:24] <cncuser> whats with axis ?
[11:20:42] <Yuga> ta
[11:20:49] <anonimasu> I dont run axis...
[11:20:55] <anonimasu> :D
[11:21:37] <cncuser> i tried it, but it crashes really often. alltough if i dont do any window resizing i got it up for 30 minutes
[11:21:49] <paul_c> looks rather, um... DOSish.
[11:22:05] <anonimasu> yeah, but easy to use..
[11:22:07] <cncuser> is there a color named cnc blue ? :)
[11:22:12] <anonimasu> or well looks like it..
[11:22:14] <anonimasu> brb. server restart
[11:22:15] <cncuser> reminds me on emc guis :)
[11:22:18] <anonimasu> we can continue the talk later
[11:22:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:22:36] <cncuser> cu later
[11:24:05] <cncuser> the thing i dont get right now is the manualcontrol via curser keys, seems that sometimes up is + an down i - but then down is doiwn, and right is + and then i jum again into another axes (by accident)...
[11:24:51] <cncuser> with emc and emc2 x guis
[11:25:41] <Jacky^> hi paul_c
[11:26:14] <Jacky^> I've an issue with ini file
[11:26:55] <Jacky^> after i changed PERIOD variable, the speed of any axis can't work as before
[11:27:15] <paul_c> what value are you using ?
[11:27:29] <Jacky^> i'm using 0.00020 now
[11:27:44] <paul_c> 200uSec ????
[11:27:48] <Jacky^> could you take a look to my ini file ?
[11:27:57] <Jacky^> http://rafb.net/paste/results/4WXEXx38.html
[11:28:01] <paul_c> try 0.000025
[11:28:12] <Jacky^> paul_c: it work well now
[11:28:25] <Jacky^> I mean don't crash as before
[11:28:41] <Jacky^> but the axis speed is very slow
[11:29:04] <Jacky^> i get following error
[11:29:33] <paul_c> [AXIS_n] CYCLE_TIME = 0.001
[11:29:39] <paul_c> not 0.01
[11:30:11] <Jacky^> ok,
[11:31:14] <Jacky^> was this the reason of slow speed ?
[11:31:31] <paul_c> possibly...
[11:31:45] <Jacky^> paul_c: thanks a lot :)
[11:31:48] <cncuser> do you have plans on building a new gui ?
[11:32:11] <paul_c> although... The max speed is clamped at 480mm/min
[11:33:14] <Jacky^> okay
[11:33:26] <paul_c> anonimasu_: I'll have to get those changes committed to SF
[11:33:34] <cncuser> for, as im new into that whole cnc thing, i do have to learn anything from the bottom anyhow. i thought axis is gonna be the "bigfootprint nice looks" default gui for emc2
[11:34:18] <paul_c> cncuser: Axis is maintained externally to the code at sourceforge.
[11:35:03] <cncuser> paul_c: i know, but i thought you may be somehow connected, for axis works only for emc/2... so it depends hardly on it
[11:35:05] <Yuga> anonimasu... hows that screen shot comming along?
[11:35:15] <paul_c> anonimasu_: I'll have to get those changes committed to SF (in case you missed it)
[11:35:35] <cncuser> hmm, hardlys not what i ment. ignore that. bad german->englishtranslation
[11:35:46] <anonimasu> Yuga: screenshot?
[11:35:50] <anonimasu> the part?
[11:36:01] <anonimasu> yeah I did miss it
[11:36:07] <anonimasu> paul_c: please do :)
[11:36:21] <cncuser> who is working on the new gui ?
[11:36:42] <paul_c> * paul_c points at anonimasu
[11:36:47] <cncuser> :)
[11:36:57] <anonimasu> *hides*
[11:37:06] <cncuser> hehe :)
[11:37:15] <cncuser> what gui toolkit do you use ?
[11:37:15] <paul_c> anonimasu: you want anonimasu_ kicked ?
[11:37:35] <anonimasu> paul_c: no, it's the server back at home
[11:37:47] <anonimasu> ssh:ing from work is too slow so I use mirc here instead
[11:38:08] <cncuser> anonimasu: hehe, that sounds really slow
[11:39:03] <paul_c> cncuser: anonimasu has been looking at Qt for a new GUI
[11:39:07] <cncuser> anonimasu: id like to assist you with translations, graphics and sound if you like too. maybe i learn a little programming on the way :)
[11:39:53] <anonimasu> thanks!
[11:40:04] <Jacky^> cncuser: has you experience in 3D image manipulation ?
[11:40:27] <anonimasu> that'll be a later issue though I am pretty new to QT myself
[11:40:46] <paul_c> cncuser: I don't think sound is of much use on a CNC controller....
[11:40:48] <cncuser> jacky: no, but i know a few people who do. why ?
[11:41:07] <anonimasu> I'll start a wiki page so we can discuss about what we do need..
[11:41:13] <cncuser> paul_c: well, a heavy fat nervkilling alarm sound would be nice ;)
[11:41:31] <Jacky^> cncuser: i'm looking for a software to use in order to acquire models with 3D homebuild scanner
[11:41:33] <paul_c> but you'd use a klaxon for that
[11:41:36] <anonimasu> the only sound perferably is a hardware beeper ;)
[11:41:43] <anonimasu> a big one
[11:41:43] <cncuser> hehehe ;)
[11:43:22] <anonimasu> I like the centroid style.. because it something similair would work with a touchscreen
[11:44:00] <paul_c> anonimasu: http://www.klaxonsignals.com/kproduct4.htm
[11:44:07] <cncuser> anonimasu: looked into fltk ?
[11:45:09] <cncuser> jacky: ic, well, what does acquire mean ?, what data do you have ?
[11:46:05] <anonimasu> cncuser: I like qt, because it's easy to code with :)
[11:46:25] <paul_c> http://www.splinescan.co.uk/
[11:46:51] <cncuser> anonimasu: hehe, ok.
[11:48:10] <Jacky^> paul_c: nice :)
[11:50:00] <Jacky^> cncuser: I think there's a lot of work todo around 3D acquisition..
[11:50:43] <cncuser> woow
[11:52:56] <paul_c> http://www.kitware.com/case/vtk/visbox.html
[11:53:22] <anonimasu> brb..
[11:53:50] <Jacky^> paul_c: cool
[11:54:09] <Jacky^> I like this article: http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/
[11:54:30] <Jacky^> great work :)
[11:57:32] <Jacky^> The motivations behind this project are to advance the technology of 3D scanning, to place this technology in the service of the humanities, and to create a long-term digital archive of some important cultural artifacts.
[11:57:53] <paul_c> bbiab
[11:58:15] <Jacky^> it seem to me a noble initiative
[11:58:51] <anonimasu> paul_c: laters
[12:41:55] <cncuser> i am tieng to manually move the steppers via emc2 but get estops all the time, an messageboxes that say Error: "join 0,1 fllowing error"
[12:41:58] <cncuser> an hints ?
[12:42:03] <anonimasu> yes.
[12:42:05] <anonimasu> increase your ferror
[12:42:13] <anonimasu> and min_ferror
[12:42:28] <cncuser> anonimasu: thanks, ill look at it :)
[12:43:07] <cncuser> btw, i noticed there is cups running on the bdi, thats not good
[12:44:42] <cncuser> MIN_FERROR = 0.010, FERROR = 0.050 what doi the values stand for ?
[12:44:51] <anonimasu> that used to be 0.01 "
[12:44:53] <anonimasu> and 0.05"
[12:44:54] <anonimasu> calc
[12:44:58] <anonimasu> err
[12:45:12] <cncuser> ah, i may have inch an mm mismatch
[12:45:19] <anonimasu> err used to be "
[12:45:21] <anonimasu> it's mm now
[12:45:34] <anonimasu> set min_ferror to 0.2
[12:45:54] <anonimasu> and max ferror to 1.27
[12:46:10] <cncuser> magic number ? :)
[12:46:22] <anonimasu> cncuser: nah just calculated the " to mm
[12:46:25] <anonimasu> to match your setup..
[12:46:35] <cncuser> hehe ;) thanks
[12:47:00] <anonimasu> if you still get it you might be trying to run too fast..
[12:47:11] <anonimasu> you might have to tweak them a bit.. :)
[12:47:32] <anonimasu> try running it now
[12:48:18] <anonimasu> i'll be back after break
[12:50:10] <cncuser> some possibilitie to include values for identical axes would make the ini smaller
[12:50:23] <cncuser> like [ALL_AXES]
[12:52:30] <cncuser> hmm, it moves really slow now
[12:52:40] <delacroix> i have some obscure servo motion controller cards that im planning to use for my cnc mill, how hard is it to adapt emc to using unsupported hardware? would i be better off waiting for emc2?
[12:57:15] <anonimasu> delacroix: emc2 is quite useable...
[12:57:24] <paul_c> either way, you would still need to write a driver..
[12:57:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:57:34] <paul_c> How obscure is the motion card ?
[12:58:16] <delacroix> its marketed as a 5650a kontron but its also sold by a few other companies
[12:58:28] <anonimasu> do you have docs about it?
[12:58:51] <delacroix> i have the full docs, windows drivers, etc
[12:59:05] <anonimasu> register address:es and stuff?
[12:59:42] <delacroix> yep, got all the addresses in the sw manual
[12:59:51] <anonimasu> nice
[13:00:00] <anonimasu> do you program anything at all?
[13:00:03] <anonimasu> :)
[13:00:45] <delacroix> i have written drivers under qnx before, and im a robotics researcher atm, so have quite a few clever people around to bug for help
[13:02:59] <paul_c> Do you have the manual(s) in pdf or paper ?
[13:03:46] <delacroix> in pdf
[13:04:04] <anonimasu> delacroix: are you familiar with trajectory planning?
[13:04:05] <anonimasu> :D
[13:04:51] <delacroix> anonimasu: not really, i have got a fair bit of learning to do
[13:05:15] <paul_c> delacroix: Could you email the manual ?
[13:05:27] <delacroix> sure, whats your address?
[13:06:01] <dan_falck> paul_c: I bought a real cnc mill last night!
[13:06:10] <anonimasu> dan_falck: congratulations!
[13:06:15] <paul_c> [nolog] bdi-emc@ntlworld.com
[13:06:26] <dan_falck> real to me anyway
[13:06:33] <paul_c> You got Gizmo's machine ?
[13:06:35] <cncuser> brb
[13:06:39] <anonimasu> got a pic?
[13:06:43] <anonimasu> or a model ?
[13:07:02] <dan_falck> nope. B'port 2J with Centroid M-40 control
[13:07:14] <anonimasu> nice
[13:07:15] <anonimasu> :)
[13:07:19] <dan_falck> 4th axis rotary table too
[13:07:22] <dan_falck> all servo
[13:07:37] <dan_falck> 30 nmtb tooling
[13:07:50] <anonimasu> good price?
[13:07:57] <dan_falck> I'll take pics this weekend
[13:08:02] <dan_falck> good enough for me
[13:08:06] <anonimasu> ok
[13:08:12] <paul_c> 30nmbt - Is that the stuff with a drawbar ?
[13:08:30] <dan_falck> uses the knurled ring and spanner wrench
[13:08:39] <paul_c> 30QC
[13:08:44] <dan_falck> yep
[13:09:11] <paul_c> watch the price of the tooling - 30QC is not the same as INT30
[13:09:21] <dan_falck> ok
[13:09:30] <paul_c> flange is smaller on the 30QC
[13:09:49] <paul_c> and the gauge line is ever so slightly divverent
[13:10:10] <dan_falck> ok. I'll watch out for that.
[13:10:32] <paul_c> * paul_c uses 30QC on the Interact II
[13:10:35] <dan_falck> this one had tooling marked 30nmtb with it
[13:10:38] <dan_falck> ok
[13:11:22] <dan_falck> It's got a lot of tooling with it. I'll try it all out first
[13:11:38] <paul_c> most of my tooling is marked Bristol Erickson
[13:12:18] <dan_falck> I saw a collet holder marked Erickson #30 NMTB that comes with it
[13:12:22] <paul_c> Hang on to the tooling - That stuff is (at times) worth more than the mill.
[13:12:55] <dan_falck> I'm going to get all of that this Sunday.
[13:13:19] <dan_falck> I'm calling riggers this morning to get quotes on moving it across town
[13:13:55] <dan_falck> the centroid control is circa 1997 DOS based
[13:14:12] <dan_falck> when it gives me trouble... out it goes
[13:14:40] <dan_falck> it's probably got Glentek servo amps and some sort of DA card in it
[13:15:03] <dan_falck> I'll check that out right away
[13:16:43] <dan_falck> good talking with you. I need to go to work
[13:16:52] <paul_c> dinner time for me.
[13:17:00] <paul_c> catch yer later.
[13:17:58] <paul_c> * paul_c -> food
[13:54:16] <A_Guy> has any one heard of ppl using corel draw as there cad program? heard something about it the other day
[13:54:35] <A_Guy> and it does have a way to export files as a cad file
[13:57:21] <paul_c> delacroix: Just scanned through the docs...
[14:01:42] <delacroix> sorry, was afk
[14:01:47] <delacroix> what do u think?
[14:03:34] <paul_c> Can you get the source code for the lib ?
[14:04:41] <anonimasu> paul_c: the trouble with changing modes are still there..
[14:05:16] <delacroix> i dont have the library source, all i have is header lib and dll, but i havent tried asking the company yet, they might be helpful as the card must be obsolete by now
[14:05:21] <anonimasu> the gui locks up
[14:05:43] <anonimasu> you can push stuff but nothing happens..
[14:05:51] <anonimasu> paul_c: do you have any clue why this happens?
[14:06:08] <delacroix> paul_c: the other option i have is to drop the library through ida and see what milage i get, but that would be a fair bit of work
[14:06:28] <paul_c> anonimasu: you need to be a little more verbose in describing the problem..
[14:06:34] <anonimasu> paul_c: same as before
[14:06:47] <anonimasu> paul_c: I change mode, it does not change mode..
[14:06:57] <anonimasu> paul_c: I can move it manually but I cant change mode..
[14:07:36] <paul_c> one sec.
[14:07:42] <anonimasu> ok
[14:08:00] <anonimasu> I've this is the same as on my bug report before
[14:08:03] <anonimasu> it happens occasionally
[14:08:12] <paul_c> delacroix: Looking at the acs-tech80 web page, they say source code is available.
[14:09:31] <delacroix> paul_c: do you have a link? when i checked all i could find is the source download i have here, which is the api for windows
[14:10:17] <paul_c> http://www.acs-tech80.co.il/pages/products_content.asp?intGlobalId=439&intParentId=438 is the page I'm looking at....
[14:10:36] <paul_c> But I think you'd need to get in contact with them direct.
[14:10:59] <delacroix> cheers, i missed the rtos line on that page when i looked last
[14:11:52] <anonimasu> paul_c: I cant check it now as I dont have X access to the box when I am at work
[14:11:54] <anonimasu> in a hour maybe..
[14:12:01] <paul_c> anonimasu: Can you set up an ssh session ?
[14:12:05] <anonimasu> yes
[14:12:16] <paul_c> for me to log in ?
[14:12:28] <anonimasu> yes
[14:14:44] <paul_c> 'k... We running in /home/an0n ?
[14:14:48] <anonimasu> yes
[14:14:53] <anonimasu> ~an0n/emc2
[14:15:33] <anonimasu> I tweaked the period before I left and didnt have a chance to test it out, but it should show the same..
[14:15:52] <anonimasu> I went homne to grab some stuff and did some circles :)
[14:21:09] <paul_c> lemme run the sucker on this box now I have your ini.
[14:21:35] <anonimasu> ok
[14:21:36] <anonimasu> :)
[14:23:45] <anonimasu> switching to mdi mode a couple of times should show the problem
[14:25:41] <paul_c> deos the whole computer lock up or just the GUI ?
[14:25:51] <anonimasu> just the gui
[14:25:55] <anonimasu> or rather the "mode" change..
[14:25:59] <anonimasu> I can jog the machine
[14:26:11] <anonimasu> with the + and - buttons
[14:28:37] <paul_c> NML is showing the mode change ?
[14:29:23] <anonimasu> it prints something..
[14:29:47] <anonimasu> I think tkemc does not get a confrimation from emc..
[14:30:04] <anonimasu> ir prints the request I am sure.
[14:30:13] <paul_c> I'm pretty certain I know the root of the problem...
[14:30:52] <anonimasu> but ok
[14:33:43] <anonimasu> tell me about it*curious*
[14:45:59] <paul_c> just making a couple of "changes" to confirm...
[14:49:10] <anonimasu> ok
[14:49:11] <anonimasu> :)
[14:58:34] <paul_c> when you get home, try running it again...
[14:58:54] <anonimasu> yeah I will
[14:58:58] <paul_c> Have recompiled it, but not having X, I can't test.
[14:59:20] <anonimasu> I'll be home in 30 minute to a hour at most
[14:59:24] <Jymmm> Mornin Folks!
[14:59:30] <anonimasu> need to find this error on the plc first :)
[15:00:19] <cradek> why can't you guys run X over ssh?
[15:00:44] <anonimasu> cradek: because of the firewall at work
[15:00:52] <anonimasu> and well the lag..
[15:01:00] <cradek> I thought you said you had ssh access though
[15:01:17] <anonimasu> yes but it's slow :)
[15:01:20] <cradek> yeah it usually requires patience
[15:05:57] <Jymmm> cradek whats your url again?
[15:06:47] <cradek> timeguy.com
[15:07:09] <Jymmm> thanks, for some reason I kept thinking tinytim
[15:07:16] <cradek> ha
[15:07:26] <Jymmm> must have coffee....................
[15:10:11] <Jymmm> before I dive into anything, you have any suggestions to print out (pdf) a font face sample? I have like 30K TTF fonts and I was thinking of some glorified shell script, but seems a bit cheesey
[15:16:21] <cradek> no ideas here
[15:16:56] <Jymmm> I was thinking ImageMagick, but gawd it can be slow
[15:17:09] <Jymmm> or maybe postscript
[15:19:14] <cradek> I bet someone has already written something to do this
[15:26:05] <anonimasu> most likely
[15:27:01] <Jymmm> I think so too, but...
[15:33:39] <Jymmm> cradek you have any sample pic of the output of image-to-gcode ?
[15:35:43] <cradek> no, I never bothered to take one
[15:35:59] <cradek> just make the gcode and look at it in preview
[15:37:00] <Jacky^> hi
[15:37:04] <cradek> I did some engraving with a .010 mill with scanlines .003 or so apart
[15:37:07] <Jymmm> hows does the final product looked are being machined?
[15:37:08] <cradek> in brass
[15:37:12] <cradek> it looked great
[15:37:35] <cradek> I don't understand that question
[15:37:44] <Jymmm> hows does the final product looked after being machined?
[15:38:06] <cradek> depends on the distance between scanlines
[15:38:30] <cradek> it looks exactly how you would expect
[15:39:31] <Jymmm> That doesn't cut it... I have two differetn samples here of engraved photos and one looks AWESOME, the other looks like crap (imo).
[15:39:55] <cradek> I don't know what you want from me
[15:40:06] <cradek> the software generates scanlines with the depth proportional to the pixel values
[15:40:21] <cradek> if you make the scanlines really close, that will do a good job reproducing the image
[15:40:38] <cradek> if you don't, it will do a bad job, but more quickly
[15:40:48] <cradek> there's no magic here
[15:40:55] <Jymmm> let me see if I can post this image up, gimme a sec....
[15:46:25] <Jacky^> can't undestant why input and output scale in axis 1 (Y) need to be double value of others
[15:46:58] <cradek> Jacky^: the microstep settings are different?
[15:47:21] <Jacky^> all 3 motors are the same model
[15:47:37] <Jacky^> the controllers are different
[15:48:09] <Jacky^> I guess that maybe controller on axis 1 is working in half-setp mode..
[15:48:21] <cradek> yes maybe
[15:48:36] <Jacky^> but I dont know how tu get half step there :(
[15:49:02] <cradek> you should always use half step. whole stepping works badly
[15:49:46] <Jacky^> half step mode its better than full ?
[15:49:50] <cradek> yes
[15:49:54] <cradek> much better
[15:49:57] <Jacky^> interesting
[15:50:39] <anonimasu> Jymmm: posted yet?
[15:51:00] <Jymmm> anonimasu : still looking for it, hold on
[15:52:42] <Jacky^> another strange thing, axis X-Z are working with 5 as vel. value, on axis Y I can't put a value up to 2.2 withou get following error ..
[15:53:18] <Jacky^> should the axis Y be fast as the others ?
[15:53:27] <cradek> is Y the one with double the scale?
[15:53:34] <Jacky^> yes
[15:53:35] <cradek> you may be reaching your maximum pulse rate
[15:53:42] <cradek> you may need to decrease PERIOD
[15:54:10] <Jacky^> i was using the default value: 0.0002
[15:54:24] <Jacky^> but sometime emc was crashing
[15:54:37] <Jacky^> so, I changed it to 20
[16:04:33] <anonimasu> going home
[16:04:35] <anonimasu> laters
[16:30:53] <Jymmm> cradek
[16:30:57] <Jymmm> hey alex_joni
[16:31:04] <alex_joni> hello
[16:31:51] <Jymmm> * Jymmm pokes cradek with a bent leadscrew
[16:34:48] <Jymmm> http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm/
[16:35:14] <Jymmm> cradek that's what I'm talkin about =)
[16:35:50] <Jymmm> sorry it took so long, had to reshoot it
[16:40:27] <alex_joni> wot'sthat Jymmm?
[16:42:09] <Jymmm> ?
[16:42:17] <alex_joni> the pic
[16:42:27] <Jymmm> brass engraving
[16:42:39] <alex_joni> nice.. smthg you did?
[16:42:50] <alex_joni> logger_aj, bookmark
[16:42:50] <alex_joni> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-08-03#T16-42-50
[16:42:54] <Jymmm> did you see the scale?
[16:43:12] <alex_joni> yeah.. but it's in limbo
[16:43:27] <Jymmm> 64th/inch
[16:43:32] <alex_joni> nice
[16:43:48] <Jymmm> each pic is about 1/3" wide
[16:43:50] <Jymmm> 1/2"
[16:45:11] <Jymmm> Yeah, I wish! The head for that machien alone is $4K, the machine costs $20K USD
[16:57:14] <paul_c> has anonimasu_ got home yet ?
[16:57:16] <anonimasu_> hey
[16:57:34] <alex_joni> hello guys
[16:57:34] <anonimasu_> paul_c: still there?
[16:57:47] <paul_c> not me.
[16:57:57] <anonimasu_> Issuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +22, +1,)
[16:57:57] <anonimasu_> emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
[16:57:57] <anonimasu_> emcStatus->motion.traj.mode = 1
[16:57:57] <anonimasu_> Issuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +22, +1,)
[16:57:57] <anonimasu_> emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
[16:57:59] <anonimasu_> emcStatus->motion.traj.mode = 1
[16:58:04] <anonimasu_> ssuing EMC_TASK_SET_MODE -- (+504,+16, +23, +2,)
[16:58:04] <anonimasu_> emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
[16:58:04] <anonimasu_> emcTaskIssueCommand()
[16:58:13] <anonimasu_> then it stops working
[16:58:49] <paul_c> is the ssh hole still open ?
[16:58:53] <anonimasu_> yes
[16:58:58] <anonimasu_> you are still logged in I thnik
[16:59:00] <anonimasu_> think
[17:00:04] <paul_c> can you /msg me th IP address again ?
[17:00:54] <Jymmm> can you /msg me the root password ?
[17:01:18] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: yes
[17:01:27] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: but why would you want that?
[17:01:57] <Jymmm> "no reason" (adjusts halo to hide horns)
[17:09:57] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: any luck?
[17:10:22] <alex_joni> anonimasu: any luck?
[17:10:32] <anonimasu> did I miss anything?
[17:10:41] <alex_joni> nah
[17:10:59] <anonimasu> no
[17:11:20] <Jymmm> heh, I thought Fred was some old fart! lol
[17:11:45] <alex_joni> heh
[17:11:49] <alex_joni> not really ;)
[17:12:05] <Jymmm> just saw his pic on NIST
[17:13:02] <anonimasu> heh
[17:14:25] <anonimasu> what day is it today
[17:14:26] <Jymmm> anonimasu : http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm/
[17:14:28] <anonimasu> wendsday?
[17:14:37] <Jymmm> yes
[17:14:38] <anonimasu> err wednesday..
[17:14:39] <anonimasu> nice
[17:15:20] <Jymmm> anonimasu oh you saw it already, nm.
[17:15:27] <anonimasu> cute!
[17:15:33] <anonimasu> no I havent seen it
[17:15:38] <anonimasu> is that ok result?
[17:15:55] <Jymmm> ?
[17:16:15] <anonimasu> Jymmm: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT?
[17:16:19] <anonimasu> :)
[17:16:32] <anonimasu> did you get the machine?
[17:17:14] <Jymmm> anonimasu : That sample has been sitting on my desk collecting dust for about 3 years. I had to retake the shot today becasue I couldn't find the previous one.
[17:17:24] <anonimasu> ah
[17:17:37] <Jymmm> Shit.... it's only 1/2" wide
[17:18:05] <Jymmm> 2cm
[17:18:18] <Jymmm> 15mm
[17:18:38] <anonimasu> the scanlines are pretty visible..
[17:19:28] <Jymmm> mostly the way I took the photo, difficulty on shiny brass
[17:19:39] <Jymmm> I dont have lighting setup right now
[17:19:54] <anonimasu> ok
[17:19:55] <anonimasu> :)
[17:20:12] <Jymmm> those are probably scratches more than scan lines! lol
[17:21:01] <anonimasu> might be
[17:21:08] <Jymmm> it's very nice results for the machine
[17:21:30] <Jymmm> you're jsut seeing a beat up 3yo sample =)
[17:21:41] <anonimasu> sample from what machine?
[17:22:07] <Jymmm> the machien is made in italy, I can't recall the mfg/model
[17:22:27] <Jymmm> it's like $25K USD
[17:22:37] <anonimasu> laser?
[17:22:39] <anonimasu> or mill
[17:22:58] <Jymmm> neither.... impact; it displaces the material.
[17:23:21] <Jymmm> can be used in jewlery making - no lost material (gold/silver/etc)
[17:26:06] <paul_c> anonimasu: Try emc2 now...
[17:26:14] <anonimasu> ok
[17:28:37] <anonimasu> damn you
[17:28:40] <anonimasu> you broke the bug
[17:28:41] <anonimasu> :D
[17:28:53] <anonimasu> no
[17:28:55] <anonimasu> it appears
[17:30:23] <anonimasu> :/
[17:32:29] <alex_joni> brb
[17:35:01] <paul_c> just building tcl/tk 8.4.11 for you without one specific option.
[17:35:29] <anonimasu> hm ok
[17:52:17] <anonimasu> if I knew it before it I could have done it :)
[17:54:46] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[18:57:51] <Jacky^> another job aborted :\
[18:57:58] <Jacky^> damn
[19:33:17] <robin_sz> meeps?
[19:33:36] <robin_sz> are we well?
[19:34:01] <alex_joni> hello guys
[19:34:05] <robin_sz> hi
[19:34:14] <alex_joni> meep?
[19:36:22] <anonimasu> hey
[19:36:23] <robin_sz> so ..
[19:36:33] <robin_sz> how i the planner of trajectories today?
[19:36:44] <robin_sz> smooth yet?
[19:36:50] <alex_joni> ask him
[19:36:52] <alex_joni> ;)
[19:36:54] <anonimasu> heh
[19:36:59] <anonimasu> I've been trying to make parts.
[19:37:20] <robin_sz> is the tp any better yet?
[19:37:32] <anonimasu> I dont know
[19:37:36] <robin_sz> ok
[19:37:43] <anonimasu> but I know that steppers are utter crap.
[19:37:49] <Jymmm> robin_sz you haven't been working on it?
[19:37:56] <anonimasu> and the last stepper I've ever bought is sitting on my Z axis right now
[19:37:57] <robin_sz> hell no
[19:38:42] <anonimasu> if not for some small project not requiring _fast_ motion with moderate accel..
[19:39:45] <alex_joni> Jacky^: around?
[19:39:55] <Jacky^> hi alex_joni
[19:40:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[19:40:13] <alex_joni> my italian is not that good
[19:40:17] <alex_joni> can you help me out?
[19:40:18] <alex_joni> http://www.kataweb.it/sport/detail.jsp?idCategory=2846&idContent=1181457
[19:40:26] <Jacky^> sure
[19:41:05] <alex_joni> ahh figured it out.. not what I searched ;)
[19:41:16] <alex_joni> today juve played with poli timisoara
[19:41:22] <alex_joni> and I wanted to know what the score was
[19:42:00] <Jymmm> alex_joni it says "You lost and your bookie is looking for you!"
[19:42:26] <Jacky^> alex livorno has won 2-1 ..
[19:42:27] <Jymmm> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kataweb.it%2Fsport%2Fdetail.jsp%3FidCategory%3D2846%26idContent%3D1181457&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[19:42:44] <robin_sz> Jymmm: the trick to placing bets is to only place bets you are going to win
[19:42:59] <Jacky^> I think Livorno it's a good team
[19:43:06] <Jacky^> have you seen the match ?
[19:43:44] <Jymmm> * Jymmm bets $10,000 USD that robin_sz will say something sarcastic before midnight PDT
[19:44:27] <alex_joni> nope
[19:44:44] <robin_sz> the trick is of course to understand how betting works, and most punters dont
[19:45:07] <Jymmm> WOOHOO I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[19:45:12] <anonimasu> oh another trick, is to play with money you own and can afford to loose.
[19:45:25] <Jymmm> anonimasu whales
[19:45:40] <robin_sz> well, sure .. but I have some friends in .fi who make nice livings from betting ...
[19:45:44] <anonimasu> or well, playing for money you do not own is stupidity :)
[19:45:50] <Jacky^> dinnertime for me
[19:45:58] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[19:46:02] <robin_sz> but hey don't gamble
[19:46:07] <robin_sz> they
[19:46:21] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I'll be dropping mariss that mail tomorrow.
[19:46:36] <Jymmm> anonimasu which?
[19:46:44] <anonimasu> the one about the g340..
[19:46:53] <anonimasu> I cant live with the stepper on Z anymore.
[19:46:55] <Jymmm> anonimasu ah, ok.
[19:47:16] <Jymmm> anonimasu well, glad I was able to help there
[19:47:40] <anonimasu> I acceled it 1/5 of the servos and it went *whirr*
[19:47:51] <anonimasu> or well about half..
[19:47:54] <robin_sz> punters seem to think the odss are based on some magical assessment of how likely someone or someting is to win .. its not .. its based purely on how much money has come in agaisnt each bet ... thats why a bookie can never lose
[19:50:39] <anonimasu> :)
[19:52:02] <anonimasu> robin_sz: so a bet with lower odds are simply what less people have been betting on ;)
[19:55:47] <alex_joni> ahh.. the match just started
[19:58:31] <Jymmm> what website has ads from doubleclick.net ?
[20:00:59] <alex_joni> rb
[20:25:12] <alex_joni> heh.. seems it 1:0
[20:25:18] <alex_joni> poli timisoara: juve
[20:38:04] <alex_joni> half time
[20:42:31] <Imperator_> Hi
[20:42:44] <alex_joni> hey martin
[20:44:34] <Imperator_> Hi Alex, something new ??
[20:45:34] <alex_joni> yup
[20:45:43] <alex_joni> the local team is playing soccer
[20:45:50] <alex_joni> with juventus torin
[20:48:20] <alex_joni> and winning so far ;)
[20:54:10] <Imperator_> hehe
[20:54:51] <alex_joni> yeah.. nice
[20:55:14] <Imperator_> don't have a tv
[20:55:46] <alex_joni> well.. not anymore ;)
[20:55:47] <alex_joni> 1:1
[20:57:12] <Imperator_> they are tought not to make goals in the first half, because of the comercials at the break
[20:57:31] <alex_joni> well.. it was 1:0 before the break
[20:58:25] <Imperator_> jeah juventus torin is tought not to make goals
[20:58:35] <alex_joni> heh
[20:58:47] <Imperator_> ;-)
[21:05:05] <alex_joni> anyways..
[21:05:09] <alex_joni> what's new?
[21:49:30] <alex_joni> it finished
[21:49:31] <alex_joni> 2-2
[21:52:31] <Jacky^> nice result
[21:52:46] <alex_joni> yup
[21:53:18] <Jacky^> :-)
[21:55:50] <Jacky^> I'm looking for a way to extend the range of my Videosender..
[21:57:20] <Jacky^> i've a TX cam on a box 100 mt away from here and the receiver here
[21:57:37] <Jacky^> I want to see live video of cnc working from here
[21:57:48] <Jacky^> but the tx have few power..
[21:58:07] <alex_joni> get an analog camera
[21:58:07] <Jacky^> no signal here :(
[21:58:11] <alex_joni> long line
[21:58:18] <alex_joni> and receiver here
[21:58:23] <alex_joni> or an ethernet camera
[21:58:25] <Jacky^> i can't use cable
[21:58:35] <alex_joni> you can do STP on 100m
[21:58:41] <alex_joni> or radio
[21:58:46] <alex_joni> if you got direct connection
[21:58:48] <alex_joni> WLAN
[21:59:00] <Jacky^> i'm tryng with Radio AV receiver
[21:59:18] <alex_joni> get a better antenna
[21:59:41] <Jacky^> i'm looking for
[22:00:17] <Jacky^> but i'm not sure if the videosender is 900 mhz or 2.4 ghz :\
[22:00:19] <alex_joni> what frequency?
[22:00:26] <alex_joni> ahh.. what antenna does it have on now?
[22:00:27] <Jacky^> unknown
[22:00:56] <Jacky^> a small antenna like the old cell phone
[22:01:10] <alex_joni> how long?
[22:01:10] <Jacky^> about 8 cm
[22:01:23] <alex_joni> that sounds like 450 MHz
[22:01:39] <Jacky^> yeah.. probably
[22:02:43] <alex_joni> ok. brb
[22:04:51] <Jymmm> not necessarily
[22:05:24] <Jymmm> my lil antenna "looks" like old cellphone, but it's dual band 144/440
[22:05:34] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:05:37] <Jymmm> and they have tri-band ones too
[22:05:59] <Jymmm> whats the fcc id number?
[22:06:04] <Jacky^> i cant get the signal for only 15 damn mt
[22:06:29] <Jacky^> Jymmm: I bought it some year ago
[22:06:41] <Jacky^> the only thing I can read is
[22:06:44] <Jymmm> Jacky^ look on the bottom of hte unit where the label is
[22:06:57] <Jacky^> Radio AV Receiver
[22:07:21] <Jacky^> Jymmm: no label..
[22:07:26] <Jymmm> ah, bummer
[22:07:34] <Jacky^> I think it' a chinese product
[22:07:49] <Jymmm> have a spectrum analyizer handy?
[22:07:49] <Jacky^> just a small label with QC passed
[22:07:56] <Jacky^> no..
[22:08:03] <Jacky^> I've oscilloscope
[22:08:09] <Yuga> any one got any interesting router sites for me to visit?
[22:08:10] <Jacky^> tu 20 mhz ..
[22:08:22] <Jymmm> Yuga cisco.com
[22:08:39] <Jymmm> Yuga redback.com
[22:08:49] <Jymmm> Yuga 3com.com
[22:09:14] <Jacky^> Yuga: if you want to do from yourself coyote linux it's nice
[22:09:22] <Jacky^> depend on what you need
[22:09:37] <Yuga> hmm...not that kinda router!
[22:09:53] <Jacky^> lol
[22:09:56] <Jacky^> :)
[22:10:06] <Jymmm> Yuga : well, you did say interesting...
[22:10:13] <Jacky^> well , Jymmm have a nice router
[22:10:16] <Jymmm> CNC Cisco
[22:10:42] <Jymmm> Jacky^ dont know yet, still waiting for them ti ship it back to me
[22:12:07] <Jacky^> Jymmm: anyway it's a very nice product
[22:12:12] <Jacky^> I like it
[22:12:12] <Yuga> so does that mean no one has any good interesting sites?
[22:12:23] <alex_joni> www.yuga.com
[22:12:57] <Jymmm> www.yuga.orgy
[22:13:20] <alex_joni> nah..
[22:13:29] <alex_joni> doesn't work
[22:13:55] <alex_joni> cradek: hello
[22:13:55] <Jacky^> Yuga: I think you can also look at Makita for professional tools
[22:14:05] <alex_joni> cradek: are you around?
[22:18:01] <Jacky^> Yuga: http://www.epinions.com/hmgd-Shop_Tools-All-Makita_2_1_4_H_P_Router_RF1101_
[22:18:21] <Yuga> http://www.makita.com/Tools_Item_View.asp?id=209
[22:18:27] <Jacky^> search there, also comment from customers..
[22:18:35] <Yuga> mines bigger than yours!!!
[22:18:49] <alex_joni> size doesn't matter guys
[22:19:04] <Yuga> thats what guy's with small ones say
[22:19:11] <anonimasu> yep
[22:19:18] <Jacky^> lol
[22:19:19] <alex_joni> well. I heard it somewhere
[22:19:20] <alex_joni> lol
[22:19:26] <alex_joni> nasty storm out there ;)
[22:19:46] <Yuga> lol... nice try of changing subject
[22:20:15] <alex_joni> for real
[22:20:18] <alex_joni> :P
[22:20:43] <cradek> alex_joni: yes, but not for long
[22:20:52] <alex_joni> wanted to ask you smthg about cvs
[22:20:58] <cradek> ask away
[22:21:05] <Yuga> so alex_joni... how small is yours?
[22:21:06] <alex_joni> the tags $Log $ get expanded by cvs?
[22:21:14] <cradek> yes, there are several magic strings
[22:21:28] <alex_joni> any list available?
[22:22:01] <cradek> looking...
[22:22:08] <alex_joni> I did too.. but no luck
[22:22:47] <cradek> man co
[22:22:59] <cradek> Keywords and their corresponding values:
[22:23:02] <cradek> $Author$
[22:23:07] <cradek> $Header$
[22:23:07] <cradek> etc
[22:23:18] <alex_joni> ok. thx
[22:23:20] <cradek> assuming cvs supports all the keywords that rcs does, of course
[22:23:30] <cradek> it probably does
[22:26:08] <cradek> please resist using $Log$ or anything else that puts lots of pollution in the file
[22:26:21] <alex_joni> heh.. ok
[22:26:50] <alex_joni> how about at the end of the file?
[22:26:56] <cradek> gah
[22:26:58] <alex_joni> I think I've seen that somewhere
[22:26:59] <alex_joni> :D
[22:26:59] <cradek> please resist using $Log$ or anything else that puts lots of pollution in the file
[22:27:09] <cradek> that's what cvs is for!!
[22:27:26] <alex_joni> lol
[22:28:16] <cradek> I think these should only be used for things like printf("it's probably the fault of %s that this file is broken\n", "$Author$");
[22:28:34] <cradek> often version numbers are constructed the same way
[22:28:48] <alex_joni> roflmao
[22:28:53] <alex_joni> that'sn ice
[22:28:55] <alex_joni> nice
[22:28:55] <Yuga> http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&SID=Z5000&offerings_id=10695 <---- ooooohhhh perty
[22:28:57] <cradek> but I hate file pollution, and it's especially stupid when it's just a duplicate of what's already in the log
[22:29:31] <cradek> ... as if you asked for my opinion :-)
[22:29:40] <paul_c> likewise - It also makes merging of branches a serious problem.
[22:30:01] <alex_joni> well.. I did ask
[22:30:11] <cradek> yeah, sort of
[22:30:13] <alex_joni> or not.. but it's nice to know
[22:30:34] <cradek> paul_c: that's right, it does mess up diff/patch
[22:30:37] <paul_c> i"If you want to record the commit logs, do it in the CHANGELOG - That is what it is there for."
[22:30:48] <cradek> paul_c: and for no good reason
[22:31:03] <alex_joni> I just looked at some drivers..
[22:31:11] <alex_joni> and seen that such tags get used
[22:31:28] <paul_c> If you want to post a comment about it to the dev list, I'll chip in with a supporting argument.
[22:31:41] <Jacky^> Jymmm: found, look like this: http://www.eyespyvideo.com/wireless/900mhz/rx-900.htm
[22:31:42] <cradek> alex_joni: it's really useful for something like the version number
[22:31:52] <cradek> alex_joni: so it gets incremented automatically when you make a change
[22:31:53] <alex_joni> paul_c: maybe another time
[22:31:56] <alex_joni> right
[22:32:14] <cradek> alex_joni: but for $Log$, it gives no advantage and just gets in the way
[22:32:16] <paul_c> alex_joni: The suggestion was aimed at cradek
[22:32:30] <alex_joni> ah.. ok
[22:32:31] <cradek> paul_c: I haven't seen anyone else mention wanting to do this, so let's just let it die here
[22:32:44] <alex_joni> cradek: thing is.. some have already done this
[22:32:47] <alex_joni> on emc2 at least
[22:32:56] <cradek> alex_joni: I didn't know that
[22:33:32] <cradek> *sigh*
[22:33:55] <cradek> seems like we make all the new-users-of-version-control mistakes
[22:34:14] <cradek> I'm just bitter because I've seen them all before
[22:34:22] <alex_joni> heck.. even CodingStyle has it
[22:34:24] <alex_joni> :))
[22:34:39] <paul_c> It started by someone (who shall be blamed) at the codeFest...
[22:34:48] <cradek> I guess I'm not an emc2 developer, I never look at it
[22:35:10] <alex_joni> I see 15 files
[22:35:26] <alex_joni> but grep might fail on fancier incantations of "$Log "
[22:35:42] <cradek> I say just take that crap out, and check the files in with an appropriate log message
[22:35:55] <alex_joni> ok
[22:36:21] <paul_c> alex_joni: tip - use the -k flag when checking out or updating.
[22:37:05] <alex_joni> heh
[22:37:05] <cradek> I can't even find CodingStyle
[22:37:07] <cradek> it's not in docs
[22:37:17] <cradek> arrgh, it's in src
[22:37:20] <paul_c> -kk
[22:37:21] <cradek> more pollution
[22:38:44] <cradek> yuck, $Log$ differences do show up in diffs under cvsweb
[22:39:05] <Jacky^> I found a xtal inside my videoreceiver: JWT 4.000, any idea about the work frequency ?
[22:39:16] <cradek> uh, 4.000 MHz?
[22:39:31] <Jacky^> it's 4 mhz ?
[22:39:41] <cradek> no, 4 MHz
[22:39:47] <Jacky^> :)
[22:40:00] <Jacky^> well, now I know whic antenna to buils :P
[22:40:02] <alex_joni> 4GHz seems a bit much for a video receiver
[22:40:03] <alex_joni> ;)
[22:40:11] <Jacky^> ok :)
[22:40:13] <Jymmm> not in bandplan either
[22:40:16] <cradek> and 4 milliHertz is right out
[22:40:18] <alex_joni> but the working frequency is probably not of the XTAL
[22:40:28] <alex_joni> that's for the chip
[22:40:35] <cradek> * cradek <- pedant
[22:40:35] <Jacky^> uhm
[22:40:41] <alex_joni> usually the frequency for the transmission is from an PLL
[22:40:42] <paul_c> Fred Proctor started the $Log$ tags..
[22:40:42] <Jymmm> cradek ?
[22:41:07] <Jacky^> i see 2 IB, the smallest is TA 280 F
[22:41:18] <alex_joni> Jacky^: those usually need to take care of frequency hopping & the like
[22:41:19] <cradek> paul_c: is he responsible for the pre-rcs stuff at the top of the emc1 files too? Those habits are hard to break
[22:41:41] <alex_joni> and an XTAL can never ever change the frequency fast enough
[22:41:51] <cradek> paul_c: those make perfect sense if you don't have any revision control, but they're dumb as soon as you do (IMO of course)
[22:41:51] <Jacky^> alex_joni: anyway can't be 900 mhz I suppose
[22:42:05] <alex_joni> dunno
[22:42:09] <alex_joni> get a spectrometer
[22:42:11] <alex_joni> and check ;)
[22:42:14] <cradek> gotta run
[22:42:19] <Jymmm> get a freq counter
[22:42:20] <alex_joni> thx
[22:42:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what good is a freq counter on analog signals?
[22:42:49] <Jymmm> alex_joni for his transmitter
[22:42:57] <anonimasu> wouldnt help..
[22:42:57] <cradek> he means spectrum analyzer
[22:43:06] <anonimasu> a scope would
[22:43:07] <anonimasu> :)
[22:43:09] <alex_joni> that's what I said
[22:43:14] <Jymmm> Jacky^ has a scope
[22:43:16] <alex_joni> anonimasu: one for 900 MHz at least
[22:43:25] <alex_joni> but 2.4 Gigs is a bit rare
[22:43:34] <alex_joni> I know there are scopes up to 100 Gigs
[22:43:37] <Jymmm> he wants to get a better antenna, but doens't know the freq,
[22:43:40] <alex_joni> but.. who's got the money ;)
[22:43:49] <Jacky^> the only thing i've it's an old oscilloscope here
[22:43:53] <anonimasu> I found such a scope for 240$
[22:43:54] <Jymmm> stick a freq coutner right next to the lil antenna
[22:43:56] <anonimasu> at a sale..
[22:43:57] <anonimasu> :D
[22:44:09] <alex_joni> I hope you got it
[22:44:14] <anonimasu> but I didnt have any use for a scope at that time
[22:44:18] <alex_joni> for your health's sake
[22:44:22] <anonimasu> no
[22:44:23] <anonimasu> :D
[22:44:25] <anonimasu> I didnt..
[22:44:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni takes the wet kipper from paul_c, and smacks anonimasu silly with it
[22:44:46] <anonimasu> was a tektronics DSO scope..
[22:44:55] <Jymmm> for $240?!
[22:44:59] <alex_joni> next time you BUY it
[22:45:05] <anonimasu> Jymmm: yes
[22:45:26] <Jymmm> * Jymmm grabs the wet kipper from alex_joni and beats the shit out of anonimasu with it till he's a blodd pulp!
[22:45:59] <Jymmm> hell man, it'll cost more jsut to have it certified
[22:46:15] <Jymmm> what were you thinking?! you could have sodle it if nothign else.
[22:46:16] <alex_joni> paul_c: you might want to start a wet-kipper-rental business
[22:46:31] <anonimasu> I didnt need a scope at that time and I didnt have any money for it :)
[22:46:34] <alex_joni> or even give it away... to me for example
[22:46:54] <alex_joni> heh
[22:47:00] <alex_joni> anyways.. oportunities come and go ;)
[22:47:05] <alex_joni> next time.. ask :P
[22:47:10] <anonimasu> heh
[22:47:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu so if you see a nice car for sale for $500 and you already have me, you wouldn't buy it?!
[22:47:30] <alex_joni> hmmm
[22:47:30] <anonimasu> I wouldnt..
[22:47:38] <paul_c> ebay had a Lotus Elise go for 50p
[22:47:39] <alex_joni> anonimasu: riding on Jymmm to work?
[22:47:53] <Jymmm> paul_c secratary or ?
[22:48:08] <alex_joni> and a porsche 911 for 1.5 Euros
[22:48:11] <alex_joni> brand new
[22:48:11] <anonimasu> heh
[22:48:15] <anonimasu> that I would have bought
[22:48:18] <Jymmm> yep
[22:48:18] <alex_joni> buy now.. no bidding
[22:48:31] <anonimasu> did it really go through?
[22:48:36] <alex_joni> yup
[22:48:39] <anonimasu> heh
[22:48:41] <anonimasu> lucky bastard
[22:48:42] <alex_joni> it was the wife of some guy
[22:48:59] <Jymmm> always is
[22:49:01] <alex_joni> angry at her husband for cheating :))
[22:49:25] <Jacky^> found information about the bigger IC: TA8804F FM Demodulation for Broadcasting Satellite Receiver :))
[22:49:35] <Jacky^> let see the datasheet..
[22:49:40] <alex_joni> FM?
[22:49:46] <alex_joni> that's a lot lower
[22:49:46] <Jacky^> yeah
[22:49:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni modulation, not bandwidth
[22:50:03] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[22:50:03] <Jacky^> about 20 mt
[22:50:05] <alex_joni> :)
[22:50:12] <Jacky^> indoor
[22:50:13] <Jymmm> AM/FM/SSB/FSK/etc
[22:50:20] <alex_joni> right
[22:50:46] <anonimasu> I just found a big f***ing receiver/transmitter
[22:50:56] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/view/5212123.htm?caller=nbl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
[22:50:57] <Jymmm> Jacky^ you want to look at the finals, usually closest to the antenna/coax jack
[22:51:03] <alex_joni> bigger than arecibo?
[22:51:24] <anonimasu> alex_joni: large enough ;)
[22:52:08] <anonimasu> 2250$
[22:52:09] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:52:14] <Jacky^> Jymmm: ok..
[22:52:20] <anonimasu> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/418
[22:52:31] <Jymmm> http://www.kenwood.net/indexKenwood.cfm?do=ProductDetails&ProdID=5016&Group=5
[22:53:08] <alex_joni> nice
[22:54:21] <Jymmm> ya know, I really dont liek the look of the TS2000, but i can control it remotely from my HT or mobile rig
[22:54:38] <Jacky^> Jymmm: can't find finals, only smt components except 2 IC
[22:54:48] <Jymmm> Jacky^ look near heatsinks
[22:55:27] <Jymmm> * Jymmm is STILL waiting (20yrs) for a ALL BAND transceiver!
[22:55:45] <anonimasu> heh
[22:56:08] <Jacky^> Jymmm: no heatsinks
[22:56:09] <anonimasu> http://www.icom.co.jp/world/products/amateur/7800/index.htm
[22:56:12] <anonimasu> ick....
[22:56:24] <Jacky^> i think its all inside an IC
[22:56:30] <Jacky^> low power circuit
[22:56:43] <anonimasu> NOT portable
[22:57:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu DUH! neither is the 20' antennas =)
[22:57:03] <Jacky^> looks like a tv tuner
[22:57:47] <Jymmm> Jacky^ metal case 1/2" tall 1.5" wide 3" long?
[22:57:48] <anonimasu> no shit ;D
[22:58:06] <Jymmm> anonimasu Well, we did it ONCE
[22:58:11] <Jacky^> Jymmm: no idea in inches..
[22:58:54] <Jacky^> 6x5x1 cm
[22:59:12] <Jymmm> metal case with a tiny coax solder on one side?
[22:59:22] <Jacky^> I'm reading at the datasheet..
[22:59:51] <Jacky^> Jymmm: yeah, metal case double face pcb
[23:00:12] <Jacky^> no coax..
[23:00:29] <Jacky^> the jack is soldered directly on pcb
[23:01:06] <Jymmm> http://master-tv.com/article/tuner/tuner.jpg
[23:01:12] <Jymmm> like that (sorta)?
[23:01:32] <Jymmm> Jacky^: go build this --> http://www.science-workshop.com/
[23:02:06] <Jacky^> :)
[23:02:55] <Jacky^> i'm reading..
[23:03:50] <Jacky^> toshiba datasheet say: it generate the agc voltage by filtering the 402.78 mhz (479.5 mhz) bla bla ..
[23:05:28] <Jacky^> imput range frequency tipical 400 max 550
[23:05:47] <robin_sz> * robin_sz returns
[23:05:53] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[23:06:11] <Jacky^> dman, i will try an half way .. 450 mhz
[23:06:14] <robin_sz> steve hardys posts on the gecko list are interesting ...
[23:07:10] <alex_joni> read only one..
[23:07:17] <alex_joni> about the dumb mode of G-Rex
[23:07:29] <robin_sz> last couole of msgs
[23:07:33] <Jacky^> Jymmm: i will try a dipole antenna.. should be simple
[23:07:35] <robin_sz> couple
[23:09:02] <alex_joni> Jacky^: better with an cantenna
[23:09:05] <alex_joni> easier to make
[23:09:17] <Jacky^> ca antenna ?
[23:09:20] <alex_joni> a dipole is not very gain'ish
[23:09:23] <Jacky^> pringles ?
[23:09:26] <alex_joni> yup.. google it up
[23:09:38] <Jacky^> yeah, i know .. :)
[23:09:39] <alex_joni> pringles might be ok on some frequencies
[23:09:51] <anonimasu> http://www.vlf.it/
[23:09:52] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:09:53] <alex_joni> there's a cantenna calc out there
[23:10:08] <robin_sz> vlf?
[23:10:19] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone work with flash in here?
[23:10:33] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A some
[23:10:37] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: I have a flashlight
[23:10:42] <alex_joni> does that count?
[23:10:48] <Jymmm> Jacky^ how about a discone antenna?
[23:11:16] <alex_joni> Jacky^: I built a few antenna's for 2.4GHz
[23:11:22] <alex_joni> and the best were cantennas
[23:11:25] <Jacky^> Jymmm: think that i can't get the signal for 12 mt
[23:11:31] <robin_sz> discones are a notoriously difficult thing to get a decent match for tx with
[23:11:31] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A whats your question?
[23:11:40] <robin_sz> OK for scanners though
[23:11:46] <Jacky^> so, anything is good if work
[23:11:54] <alex_joni> right
[23:11:56] <alex_joni> even dipole
[23:12:04] <alex_joni> the best are grids
[23:12:10] <Jymmm> robin_sz not like he's putting out more thatn 500mW
[23:12:12] <alex_joni> with yagi in the spot
[23:12:41] <Jymmm> Jacky^ go get some twin lead and clip it till you get a good signal! lol
[23:12:48] <Jacky^> so.. i will see when emc will crash from remote pc :\
[23:12:59] <alex_joni> how about VNC?
[23:13:03] <alex_joni> or ssh -X
[23:13:04] <alex_joni> ?
[23:13:07] <Jacky^> this afternoon i lost 2 job :(����
[23:13:10] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, how do I access arguments passed from the url?
[23:13:20] <robin_sz> Jymmm: so? if you have low power, good matching is important as at high power .. you want to couple your transmitter effectively to free space dont you?
[23:13:23] <Jacky^> i cant' use cable
[23:13:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Say <embed src="someFlash.swf?var1=foo&var2=bar" ...>. How do I access var1, and var2 within actionscript?
[23:13:44] <Jymmm> robin_sz we doens't even know the bandwidth of the Tx at this point.
[23:13:51] <Jymmm> he
[23:13:52] <Jacky^> also i dont want to run some grab software apache, cam on the emc pc ..
[23:14:00] <robin_sz> is this video?
[23:14:07] <Jacky^> it's a cely 900, too slow
[23:14:27] <alex_joni> I run ssh -X on my 300 MHz geode SBC
[23:14:27] <alex_joni> :D
[23:14:30] <alex_joni> imagine that
[23:14:38] <Jacky^> :\
[23:14:53] <Jacky^> well, if i solve the period issue, maybe..
[23:15:14] <Jacky^> i dont want to stress it during the jobs
[23:15:43] <alex_joni> usually you can't
[23:15:48] <alex_joni> the RT stuff does it's job
[23:16:02] <alex_joni> maybe the rest can't keep up.. but the job should get done
[23:16:09] <alex_joni> that's why it's called real time ;)
[23:16:22] <robin_sz> Ive been running "motion" for grabbing camera images .. works nicely
[23:16:27] <Jacky^> it's new to me :(
[23:17:05] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A http://www.permadi.com/tutorial/flashQueryString/
[23:17:05] <Jacky^> the problem i've now is the speed, too slow
[23:19:16] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/action_scripts/actionscript_dictionary/actionscript_dictionary426.html
[23:20:35] <Jacky^> Jymmm: do you like flash eh ? :P
[23:20:45] <Jymmm> Jacky^ I LOVE flash
[23:20:59] <Jacky^> already seen mksite ?
[23:21:03] <Jymmm> nope
[23:21:27] <Jacky^> an italian guy
[23:21:39] <Jacky^> http://www.mksite.com/
[23:22:28] <anonimasu> night all
[23:22:34] <Jymmm> nite anonimasu
[23:23:25] <Jacky^> night anonimasu
[23:26:33] <alex_joni> n8
[23:26:46] <Jymmm> nate
[23:27:06] <alex_joni> Jymmm: that's german
[23:27:08] <alex_joni> nacht ;)
[23:27:14] <Jymmm> ah
[23:27:32] <alex_joni> :P
[23:30:27] <Jacky^> Jymmm: http://www.robotica.it/roboticaspots/robotica.htm
[23:30:43] <Jacky^> I love this.. push the buttons on the bottom
[23:31:33] <Jacky^> it's at least 4 years old
[23:41:33] <robin_z> pesky phone line
[23:43:14] <Jacky^> robin_z: bad weather there ?
[23:43:19] <robin_z> nah
[23:43:37] <robin_z> looks like my children had tipped some goo in the ADSL filter ...
[23:43:49] <Jymmm> lol
[23:43:51] <Jacky^> ahh
[23:43:54] <Jacky^> :))
[23:44:03] <robin_z> corroded the circuit board a little
[23:44:23] <Jymmm> 1st they flood the bathroom, now goo in the dsl stuff.
[23:44:34] <robin_z> oh . .theyve done worse in between
[23:44:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm waits till they discover fire
[23:44:47] <alex_joni> and petrol
[23:44:55] <alex_joni> and the combination of the above
[23:45:06] <Jymmm> home made explosives
[23:45:08] <robin_z> a few weeks ago they took the hose from the paddling pool, and began to squirt each other with it
[23:45:18] <alex_joni> that's ok
[23:45:27] <robin_z> they were in the living room at the time
[23:45:41] <alex_joni> not that ok
[23:45:41] <alex_joni> :D
[23:45:58] <robin_z> thnakfully, it was a hot few days and we dried out again
[23:45:59] <Jacky^> robin_z: how many years old the children ?
[23:46:07] <robin_z> 5, 3, 2
[23:46:16] <Jacky^> ah..
[23:46:29] <robin_z> I think
[23:46:29] <Jacky^> its hard then :)
[23:46:34] <Jacky^> be patience
[23:46:50] <alex_joni> it only gets worse with age
[23:48:59] <robin_z> there wqent the old me
[23:49:08] <Jacky^> :)
[23:53:32] <Jacky^> from what can depend mainly a following error ?
[23:53:54] <robin_z> you using steppers or servos?
[23:53:59] <Jacky^> stepper
[23:54:06] <robin_z> ahh,
[23:54:31] <Jacky^> its bad ?
[23:55:25] <robin_z> I never understood the stepper/following error thing .. all far to complicatated for me ... I think its usually down to setting the various periods correctly and then guessing the correct numbers to have in your PID values
[23:56:02] <Jacky^> I must wait a little for servos :(
[23:56:35] <robin_z> tuning the PID values for steppers is the same as tuning them for servos, so it will be good practice for you
[23:57:01] <alex_joni> Jacky^: using emc1?
[23:57:18] <alex_joni> following errors usually have 2 causes on steppers
[23:57:27] <alex_joni> 1. too little ferror or min_ferror
[23:57:42] <alex_joni> 2. the RT pulsing can't keep up with the speed needed
[23:57:48] <alex_joni> 2.a. PERIOD too small
[23:57:56] <alex_joni> 2.b. too high speeds set up
[23:58:05] <alex_joni> 2.c. too high accels set up
[23:58:17] <Jacky^> alex_joni: yeah
[23:58:22] <Jacky^> a moment.. sorry
[23:58:24] <alex_joni> 2.d. too much feed override
[23:58:27] <paul_c> PERIOD too large... like 0.00020 instead of 0.000020
[23:58:42] <alex_joni> errr.. that's what I meant for 2.a
[23:58:49] <alex_joni> said too small ;)
[23:58:57] <paul_c> too small leads to locks... like 0.000002
[23:59:00] <LawrenceG> acc too high as well causes problems
[23:59:11] <alex_joni> too small leads to need for better hardware
[23:59:13] <alex_joni> :)
[23:59:21] <alex_joni> LawrenceG: 2.c :)
[23:59:35] <paul_c> PID gains too high is another.
[23:59:46] <LawrenceG> yup and yup
[23:59:56] <alex_joni> right..on emc1, emc2 doesn't have PID for steppers anymore