#emc | Logs for 2005-07-14

[00:02:24] <anonimasu> night
[00:04:42] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[00:04:42] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[00:10:52] <robin_sz> meep?
[00:13:39] <Jymmm> ?peem
[00:14:16] <robin_sz> so .. what gives?
[00:14:42] <Jymmm> just trying to go thru the docs and get the non gui interface goin
[00:14:50] <robin_sz> * robin_sz continues to search the 'net for some RF connectors
[00:15:03] <Jymmm> let me guess... reverse SMA
[00:15:09] <robin_sz> nah, LC
[00:15:40] <robin_sz> like a PL259 on steroids
[00:15:47] <Jymmm> thats fiber, not RF
[00:15:52] <robin_sz> no, its RF
[00:16:07] <robin_sz> althought there is a fibre connector called LC as well
[00:16:13] <Jymmm> ah,
[00:16:32] <robin_sz> its a big sucker, about 2" across
[00:16:41] <Jymmm> like for hardline?
[00:16:44] <robin_sz> heah
[00:16:56] <Jymmm> fuck me those are like $40USD each
[00:16:56] <robin_sz> this needs to go to LDF 5-50
[00:17:16] <robin_sz> if I found some at $40 I'd take em in a snap
[00:17:28] <robin_sz> they are hard to find
[00:17:57] <Jymmm> so you need an adapter more so than a connector
[00:18:05] <robin_sz> adapter?
[00:18:27] <robin_sz> nah, i need a connector to make up 3 patch leads from the amplifier to the laser
[00:18:36] <Jymmm> ah
[00:18:38] <robin_sz> so 6 LC males to LDF 5-50A
[00:19:07] <robin_sz> I tried 4-50A and it got hot :)
[00:19:14] <Jymmm> heh
[00:20:39] <robin_sz> I might just try some RG213 for getting it going, I figure it will hold up for a minute or so, if we keep the power backed off
[00:21:50] <Jymmm> what about RG8 and some N connectors?
[00:22:00] <robin_sz> N connectors are way too small
[00:22:05] <robin_sz> wont take the power
[00:22:09] <Jymmm> use two
[00:22:11] <Jymmm> =)
[00:22:23] <robin_sz> its already split across 3 cables
[00:22:28] <Jymmm> lol
[00:22:30] <robin_sz> 7.5kw each
[00:22:54] <robin_sz> an N type is OK to a couple of KW or so
[00:23:23] <robin_sz> 7/16 DIN is a possiblity
[00:25:31] <Jymmm> http://www.andrew.com/products/connectors/listall.aspx
[00:26:02] <robin_sz> I think kI asked ... $165 each
[00:26:41] <LawrenceG> hi guys...
[00:27:00] <Jymmm> I hate to say this... but it almsots seems it would be much easier in the long run just to grab a couple of sppols of RG8 and run 4-6 lines each.
[00:27:08] <Jymmm> and some N connectors
[00:27:27] <Jymmm> Real ugly, but easily enough to repalce
[00:27:51] <LawrenceG> what frequency is the rf for the laser?
[00:29:15] <robin_sz> 40mhz
[00:29:25] <Jymmm> 7/8", UHF PL-259 HC-875UM $20.25
[00:29:37] <robin_sz> trust me .. a PL2g9 will fry
[00:29:41] <robin_sz> PL259
[00:29:53] <Jymmm> lol
[00:30:02] <robin_sz> and .. it needs to be 3 cables, from the splitter to the 3 cavities
[00:30:57] <Jymmm> http://www.davisrf.com/
[00:30:58] <robin_sz> you can't just paralell cables up you know
[00:31:29] <robin_sz> http://www.scottele.com/index.php?loc=item_detail&data%5Bmajor%5D=0021&data%5Bminor%5D=2160&data%5Bitem%5D=AMP82-59
[00:31:34] <robin_sz> 195 $
[00:31:46] <LawrenceG> 22.5kw at 40mhz... impressive.... hopefully it doesnt play country music!
[00:32:05] <Jymmm> LawrenceG : no, rap.
[00:32:12] <LawrenceG> better...
[00:32:56] <Jymmm> robin_sz come on now.... do match lines just like the truckers do to their dual 40" whip antennas ! rotf
[00:34:05] <Jymmm> oh yeah, forgot the "good buddy"
[00:34:18] <robin_sz> LawrenceG: its actually 25K output from the final stage, but it seems to lose some on the way ...
[00:35:20] <Jymmm> how much?
[00:35:25] <LawrenceG> have any of you guys tried to debug a windows executable under wine? I need to hack a windows program to remove its dependancy on a pp dongle that doesnt work on a laptop with no pp port.
[00:35:48] <robin_sz> LawrenceG: not under wine .. but in doze I have
[00:35:51] <LawrenceG> want to use something like strace to find out which dll is used for the dingle.
[00:35:58] <robin_sz> which make of dongle? Hasp?
[00:36:32] <LawrenceG> could not tell... no markings.... It was not like the sentinel versions I used to use.
[00:36:33] <Jymmm> I hate dongles
[00:36:43] <robin_sz> hmmm
[00:37:08] <robin_sz> I'm pretty good with HASP, from Aladdin
[00:37:21] <Jymmm> robin_sz any tips?
[00:37:26] <LawrenceG> me to... I though maybe the wine approach might work as there has got to be some tools available for debugging under wine that windows doesnt have
[00:37:27] <robin_sz> look for hardlock.vxd etc
[00:38:14] <robin_sz> or just use Softice under 'doze
[00:38:32] <Jymmm> LawrenceG does ti look like this? http://www.aladdin.com/hasp/parallel.asp
[00:38:39] <Jymmm> softice works?
[00:38:41] <robin_sz> softice is *the* tool for de-dongling
[00:38:45] <robin_sz> sure ...
[00:38:52] <robin_sz> softice is as good as it gets
[00:38:59] <Jymmm> i thought aladin did somethign to detect softice now
[00:39:03] <robin_sz> yep
[00:39:14] <robin_sz> but, hey, its a game :)
[00:39:18] <Jymmm> lol
[00:39:21] <Jymmm> yeah it is
[00:39:23] <LawrenceG> will do... A buddy of mine got a new computer and he is having no luck with getting softplan to run on it and tech support is hopeless
[00:39:28] <robin_sz> and they re-hook int3 and ...
[00:40:06] <robin_sz> there are plenty of hasp emulators around ...
[00:40:17] <robin_sz> if you have a real hasp, they can clone it in s/w easy
[00:40:26] <Jymmm> robin_sz I haven't seen them
[00:40:31] <LawrenceG> http://www.softplan.com/lpsoftlite.htm
[00:40:42] <robin_sz> look for dumbhasp.exe etc
[00:41:09] <Jymmm> robin_sz ok, cool.
[00:41:16] <alex_joni> 'lo people
[00:41:27] <Jymmm> hey alex_joni
[00:41:32] <Jymmm> bbiab.... foodage
[00:41:37] <alex_joni> nice
[00:41:41] <alex_joni> robin_sz: meep?
[00:41:47] <robin_sz> meep
[00:42:00] <alex_joni> short question...
[00:42:03] <robin_sz> 42
[00:42:03] <alex_joni> you do cvs.. right?
[00:42:10] <robin_sz> yeah#
[00:42:19] <alex_joni> now all I gotta figure out is what the question is .. right?
[00:42:38] <alex_joni> what's seven times six ?
[00:42:45] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:42:48] <robin_sz> :)
[00:42:49] <alex_joni> back to cvs
[00:43:08] <alex_joni> is there a cvs up -xx command to get a fresh checkout?
[00:43:16] <alex_joni> I mean just scrap all local changes?
[00:46:49] <alex_joni> found it..
[00:46:53] <alex_joni> cvs up -dPC
[00:47:08] <robin_sz> that would probably do it ...
[00:47:19] <alex_joni> yup
[00:47:23] <alex_joni> thx ;)
[00:47:27] <robin_sz> rm -rf works too :)
[00:47:33] <alex_joni> I see you are a fan of 42 ;)
[00:47:45] <robin_sz> the answert to life
[00:47:46] <alex_joni> what's the book called?
[00:47:49] <robin_sz> the universe
[00:47:51] <alex_joni> I read it in german
[00:47:51] <robin_sz> and everyting
[00:47:57] <alex_joni> yeah I know
[00:48:04] <robin_sz> H2G2
[00:48:04] <alex_joni> only read the first two unfortunately
[00:48:10] <alex_joni> h2g2?
[00:48:32] <robin_sz> HitchHiker Guide to the Galalxy
[00:48:55] <robin_sz> H2G2 see?
[00:49:20] <robin_sz> its best on the radio
[00:49:26] <robin_sz> first version
[00:49:59] <robin_sz> anyway .. bedtime
[00:51:16] <alex_joni> night
[01:18:35] <Jacky^> night all
[02:13:50] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/rtapi/examples/ (6 files in 6 dirs): modified the RTAPI examples Makefiles so that they build on 2.6 and other kbuild systems
[02:14:42] <Jymmm> alex_joni you awake?
[02:14:48] <alex_joni> Jymmm: not sure
[02:14:55] <alex_joni> grin
[02:15:02] <Jymmm> know where the info to get kwystick running is?
[02:15:06] <Jymmm> keystick
[02:15:20] <alex_joni> I see my hands typing.. but I'm not sure that's a sign that I'm awakw
[02:15:23] <alex_joni> awake even
[02:15:29] <alex_joni> keystick? with emc1?
[02:15:33] <Jymmm> yeah
[02:15:40] <alex_joni> on both?
[02:15:58] <Jymmm> no clue, I installed via apt-get
[02:16:31] <alex_joni> oh.. BDI one ;)
[02:16:36] <alex_joni> lemme check
[02:16:57] <Jymmm> maybe. I installed debian sarge, then apt-get install emc per instructions on the wiki
[02:17:25] <alex_joni> well.. keystick is not in those sources afaik
[02:17:42] <alex_joni> but you can copy keystick.cc from the emc1 CVS, and compile
[02:18:19] <Jymmm> are you serious?! oh geeeze
[02:20:07] <alex_joni> what?
[02:20:16] <alex_joni> is that so.. outrageous ?
[02:20:16] <alex_joni> :D
[02:20:17] <Jymmm> so reading the manuals are pretty much worthless for keystick
[02:20:26] <alex_joni> what manuals?
[02:20:44] <Jymmm> user,intergrator,developer
[02:20:48] <Jymmm> .pdf's
[02:22:13] <Jymmm> so PLAT is non-realtime?
[02:22:21] <Jymmm> and keystick uses PLAT ?
[02:22:29] <alex_joni> hmm.. look for emcsh.cc
[02:22:37] <alex_joni> and put keystick in the same dir
[02:22:53] <Jymmm> look for it where?
[02:23:55] <alex_joni> nonrealtime
[02:24:00] <alex_joni> in your sources
[02:24:14] <alex_joni> check the wiki to compile emc from CVS
[02:24:28] <Jymmm> oh no, I'm not touching CVS
[02:25:11] <Jymmm> I'm not a developer, I dont want to be either!
[02:25:23] <Jymmm> That's why I apt-get
[02:25:25] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Install
[02:25:44] <alex_joni> well then.. forget keystick .. if you don't want to touch the code
[02:25:49] <alex_joni> usermot should be there
[02:26:01] <Jymmm> is usermot non X ?
[02:26:50] <Jymmm> and I can't find this java interface either.
[02:27:27] <alex_joni> usrmot is non X
[02:27:37] <alex_joni> but it's not very useable as a GUI either :(
[02:27:44] <alex_joni> more for debuggin purposes I think
[02:27:50] <alex_joni> never got to use it though..
[02:27:58] <Jymmm> what about the java one?
[02:30:22] <alex_joni> no idea ;)
[02:30:39] <alex_joni> but java is usualy a lot slower than other stuff
[02:30:49] <alex_joni> I think I got a java gui from nist somewhere
[02:30:55] <alex_joni> ftp iirc
[02:31:32] <Jymmm> so it's not included on the BDI image?
[02:37:21] <alex_joni> nope
[02:37:26] <alex_joni> java? never;)
[02:38:16] <Jymmm> that seems silly, unless there's a licensing issue.
[02:39:46] <alex_joni> nah.. but noone ever uses that
[02:39:53] <alex_joni> so .. there's really no point in that
[02:40:05] <alex_joni> and the java stuff takes away some valuable space
[02:40:09] <Jymmm> if it's there, just including it does no harm.
[02:40:26] <Jymmm> I wanted to use is as a remote interface
[02:40:34] <Jymmm> s/is/it/
[02:47:14] <alex_joni> well then you don't need it on the BDI
[02:47:15] <alex_joni> ;)
[02:57:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[02:57:50] <alex_joni> night Jymmm, or goodmorning
[02:57:53] <alex_joni> no idea which :D
[03:26:12] <Jymmm> 1900
[06:02:23] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[06:04:08] <Jymmm> anonimasu going to bed?
[06:04:39] <anonimasu> just woke up going I am sitting at work
[06:04:52] <anonimasu> packed the car going to the customer
[06:04:53] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[06:04:55] <anonimasu> in a bit
[06:04:58] <Jymmm> then G'Morning
[06:05:08] <anonimasu> thanks
[06:05:14] <anonimasu> I got home at 12:00 yesterday night
[06:05:20] <Jymmm> oh joy
[06:05:33] <anonimasu> not too happy about going there
[06:05:47] <anonimasu> but I've got a guy off work driving me so I can sleep in the car
[06:06:04] <Jymmm> get a flat tire in front of the nudie bar
[06:06:16] <anonimasu> heh, been there done that
[06:06:30] <Jymmm> lol
[06:09:47] <anonimasu> well I gtg..
[06:09:47] <anonimasu> laters
[06:09:53] <anonimasu> ~_~
[06:09:54] <Jymmm> take care
[06:09:56] <Jymmm> =)
[07:45:52] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: You still need an airflow sensor?
[07:46:12] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a rude, crude idea..
[07:47:59] <Phydbleep> Ping-pong ball in an acrylic tube, It would at least let you see the flow and you can do it as a vacuum tap arrangement.
[07:55:12] <Jymmm> fooze ball paitned
[12:34:36] <Jacky^> morning all
[15:38:31] <anonimasu> hey
[15:38:36] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: I might aswell build a manometer..
[15:38:40] <alex_joni> hey anders
[15:39:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has traveled 3000km this week
[15:39:03] <alex_joni> anonimasu: ever heard about bricscad?
[15:39:14] <anonimasu> no
[15:39:20] <alex_joni> http://www.bricscad.com/about/solutions/design/intellicad/features.jsp
[15:40:39] <anonimasu> looks nice
[15:44:59] <alex_joni> not very expensive either
[15:45:15] <alex_joni> the Pro is 325 EUR
[15:47:31] <alex_joni> later guys..
[17:33:20] <Jymmm> Hola!
[18:00:35] <fenn> uffda
[18:31:37] <Jymmm> lol
[18:31:37] <Jymmm> http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm
[18:38:48] <fenn> oh i do hate flash
[18:39:26] <Jymmm> why?
[18:39:35] <fenn> but that's pretty cool
[18:46:31] <fenn> hahaha.. namae wa ooba kaoru desu
[18:46:59] <fenn> * fenn is going nuts trying to figure out how to do japanese input in linux
[18:57:00] <cradek> kinput2
[18:59:30] <fenn> nope :(
[19:00:05] <cradek> why not?
[19:00:52] <fenn> well, it should switch to japanese when i do ctrl+space right? or shift+space
[19:03:15] <fenn> i have about 10 different japanese input methods installed and i dont know what goes with what
[19:05:16] <cradek> shift space
[19:05:21] <cradek> but it depends on your application
[19:05:39] <cradek> what application are you trying to use?
[19:05:47] <cradek> does kterm work right?
[19:06:36] <fenn> i dont have kterm.. guess i'll try to get it
[19:06:56] <fenn> was trying to use kedit or kate
[19:07:00] <fenn> or xterm
[19:07:00] <cradek> it's the simplest place to start
[19:07:09] <cradek> afaik xterm doesn't use XInput
[19:07:26] <cradek> I don't know what kedit and kate are
[19:07:41] <fenn> kde text editors
[19:07:57] <fenn> kanji displays fine if i paste it into an xterm window.. hrm
[19:08:13] <cradek> but that doesn't mean you can input it
[19:08:16] <fenn> right
[19:09:59] <fenn> i should be able to log into a console (no x server) and type in japanese right?
[19:10:08] <cradek> I don't know anything about that
[19:10:32] <cradek> I doubt you can without some special software running
[19:11:26] <fenn> i just don't know how it all fits together
[19:11:43] <fenn> or how it's supposed to fit together
[19:11:58] <cradek> do you have canna?
[19:12:24] <fenn> i have canna wnn skk kinput2 and more
[19:12:32] <fenn> which might be part of the problem :)
[19:12:40] <cradek> does canna start when you boot the system?
[19:12:55] <fenn> i forget, but it's running right now
[19:13:17] <cradek> try running kinput2 -canna
[19:14:09] <fenn> okay, did that, and opened kterm, shift+space... nothing changes
[19:14:25] <cradek> huh
[19:14:33] <cradek> check syslog for canna errors?
[19:14:50] <cradek> I wonder if you have to set LANG or something
[19:15:27] <fenn> hmm probably
[19:15:33] <fenn> nothing in /var/log/messages
[19:17:55] <fenn> shouldn't it like.. blink or beep or something?
[19:18:48] <cradek> you should get the hirigana "a"
[19:19:13] <cradek> then you type in hirigana and hit space to get the matching katakana from the dictionary
[19:19:24] <cradek> you pick the one you want and hit enter
[19:20:33] <fenn> right.. i've use a similar system on a macintosh before
[19:21:44] <fenn> oh carp
[19:21:56] <fenn> Warning: missing font: KSC5601.1987-0
[19:22:46] <Jymmm> I know what kanji is, but no clue what canna is
[19:23:22] <fenn> ooo i think it works
[19:23:56] <Jymmm> anyone know for sure if theres a image that has keystick?
[19:24:23] <Jymmm> or any other non-x interface
[19:24:49] <fenn> i have to type LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 kedit & to run kedit in japanese
[19:25:03] <fenn> suppose i could export LANG to make it work universally
[19:25:15] <fenn> Jymmm: emc2?
[19:26:16] <cradek> fenn: cool
[19:26:34] <cradek> Jymmm: what do you mean by image?
[19:27:39] <fenn> 本当に書けるよ!
[19:31:18] <Jacky^> cazzu iu non si capisci nenti ! :\
[19:31:35] <Jacky^> O_o
[19:32:38] <Jacky^> this is good for mask passwd :P
[19:32:39] <fenn> piu tutte lavorro.. :)
[19:32:43] <Jacky^> haha
[19:32:46] <Jacky^> :D
[19:32:59] <fenn> did that make sense?
[19:33:13] <Jacky^> bah.. no idea..
[19:33:56] <Jacky^> I only see strange characters
[19:34:18] <fenn> idioma.. non ho sonno
[19:34:25] <Jacky^> :)
[19:35:45] <Jacky^> I finish the inkpot stand for my brother :P
[19:35:57] <Jacky^> tomorrow cnc at work
[19:36:20] <fenn> please share pictures :)
[19:36:32] <Jacky^> hehe.. sure
[19:36:41] <fenn> agh.. japanese.. too much cuteness
[19:36:52] <fenn> it's.. invading my brain..
[19:36:58] <Jacky^> i will upload it on my album online
[19:37:31] <Jacky^> japanese it's very hard ..
[19:37:43] <Jacky^> but nice
[19:41:40] <fenn> i found out today my name means "feces" in japanese :)
[19:45:41] <Jacky^> http://www.japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/?forename=Jack&style=0
[19:45:45] <Jacky^> :D
[19:47:13] <Jacky^> Feel free to copy the output from this dictionary to your own web pages... nice !
[19:49:32] <fenn> Jacky debe leer esto: http://groups.msn.com/contactonikei/nombres.msnw
[19:50:08] <Jymmm> cradek : image == iso
[19:50:10] <Jacky^> cool
[19:50:20] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm :)
[19:50:25] <Jymmm> hi Jacky^
[19:53:06] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ suppertime
[19:53:07] <fenn> Jacky == ジャッキ Giacomo == ジアコモ
[19:53:18] <Jacky^> hi robin_sz
[19:53:22] <robin_sz> eveny
[19:53:26] <Jacky^> fenn: wow
[19:53:32] <Jacky^> :)
[19:53:33] <Jymmm> High Noon
[19:53:47] <Jacky^> later..
[19:53:52] <robin_sz> in the UK, Jacky is a girls name :)
[19:53:59] <robin_sz> short for Jacqueline
[19:54:01] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[19:54:06] <fenn> in the US, robin is a girls name :)
[19:54:15] <Jymmm> short for robin
[19:54:21] <robin_sz> thats Robyn surely?
[19:54:30] <Jacky^afk> robin_sz: also in the US ?
[19:54:32] <Jymmm> nope robIn
[19:54:34] <Jacky^afk> O_o
[19:54:48] <robin_sz> well, handy that I'm a girl then
[19:55:01] <fenn> you wish :P
[19:55:05] <Jymmm> robin_sz does your wife know?
[19:55:23] <robin_sz> * robin_sz puts on some high heels and a little black dress
[19:56:01] <robin_sz> actually ... strange as it may seem ... a friend of ours got locked out of her house, with the kids etc
[19:56:02] <Jymmm> MY EYES! I"M BLIND!!!
[19:56:25] <robin_sz> so .. being unable to get her husband to answer the door, asked a neighbour to get in with a ladder
[19:56:42] <Jacky^afk> robin_sz: in italy Andrea is used for male or female , the same name :P
[19:56:53] <Jacky^afk> no difference
[19:56:57] <robin_sz> as he got to the window .. he saw her husband .. hanging by his neck from a rope ...
[19:57:12] <robin_sz> dressed in womens underwear and a wig etc
[19:57:37] <fenn> was he alive?
[19:57:43] <robin_sz> not even slightly
[19:57:59] <robin_sz> kinda ruins your afternoon
[19:58:21] <fenn> yes.. getting hanged to death is never fun
[19:58:44] <robin_sz> unless you are a politician of course
[20:00:00] <robin_sz> (famous case here of an MP, found dressed in stockings, in his mouth an ornage filled with poppers, around hi neck a length of rope)
[20:00:34] <robin_sz> apparently he was keen on some weird almost-asphixiate yourself while wanking thing ...
[20:00:43] <robin_sz> except he ended up dead ...
[20:01:02] <robin_sz> but .. thats MPs for you .. weird lot.
[20:01:41] <Jymmm> MP's ? Military Police
[20:02:58] <robin_sz> member of parlianment
[20:03:03] <Jymmm> ah
[20:03:04] <robin_sz> politician
[20:03:55] <Jymmm> MP's in the US is primarily 'Military Police'.
[20:04:11] <robin_sz> I don't tink we have thos inthe UK
[20:04:33] <Jymmm> The British Army doesn't have it's own police?
[20:04:49] <robin_sz> probably does
[20:04:58] <robin_sz> dont ever see them or hear about them though
[20:05:09] <Jymmm> k
[20:05:22] <robin_sz> the army is not a "big thing" in the UK
[20:05:35] <Jymmm> heh
[20:05:47] <Jymmm> Oh man...
[20:06:20] <Jymmm> you know what image (iso) would have keysitck or any other non-x interface?
[20:07:05] <cradek> keystick is in emc1's cvs
[20:07:22] <cradek> who knows whether paul put it on any bdi
[20:07:42] <Jymmm> <sigh>
[20:08:10] <cradek> I take it it's not on bdi4.20? did you look?
[20:08:46] <fenn> it is on bdi 4.20
[20:08:48] <Jymmm> cradek: It might be, but I've been RTFM'ing the manual and it doesn't match what I currectly have.
[20:08:58] <fenn> change display=keystick bada boom
[20:09:12] <fenn> no?
[20:09:24] <Jymmm> I installed debian sarge then apt-get emc
[20:09:33] <fenn> hmm
[20:09:40] <Jymmm> per the wiki instructions
[20:09:58] <Jymmm> also, can't find this java interface either.
[20:10:07] <Jymmm> (wanted to run that remotely
[20:12:41] <fenn> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian/
[20:12:59] <fenn> try that one.. emc 0.0.1-22
[20:13:06] <fenn> keystick is in there alrighty
[20:13:42] <Jymmm> where in the hell did you find that one?
[20:13:48] <Jymmm> (just curious)
[20:14:06] <fenn> heh
[20:14:24] <fenn> it was written on the back of a home-made cd wrapper, with a bdi-cd in it, at the retrofest
[20:14:37] <fenn> weird huh
[20:14:39] <Jymmm> ah
[20:15:18] <fenn> wonder why there are no binaries on sourceforge
[20:15:54] <Jymmm> <soapbox>All the releases, docs, images, mirors are all a clusterfuck. Nothing (non cvs) is located or consistant in one central location</soapbox>
[20:16:27] <fenn> yeah, i tried to tackle that problem but, in essence, i am extremely lazy and failed
[20:16:45] <Jymmm> Debian + apt-get gives me a kernel error regardings HAL
[20:17:00] <fenn> what kernel are you running?
[20:17:06] <fenn> (probably the wrong one)
[20:17:27] <fenn> emc relies on a particular patched kernel.. you cant just apt-get and go
[20:17:46] <Jymmm> this one --> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?DebianInstall
[20:18:07] <Jymmm> which is the one you just gave me (argh)
[20:18:21] <fenn> heh
[20:18:34] <Jymmm> only following paul's wiki instructions
[20:19:09] <fenn> anyway, keystick is in plat/bin/keystick
[20:19:23] <Jymmm> and plat is nonRT ?
[20:19:36] <fenn> er, plat/linux_rtai/bin/keystick
[20:19:57] <fenn> but you have to have an nml server running for it to talk to
[20:20:07] <Jymmm> nml ?
[20:20:19] <fenn> nml is the language the different parts of emc use to talk to one another
[20:20:48] <fenn> kinda like XDMCP or .. uh
[20:21:00] <fenn> cant think of any other server protocols right now
[20:21:50] <fenn> anyway, you need a nml server on each machine you are running nml programs (like an EMC gui)
[20:22:10] <fenn> they need to be set up to talk to each other over the network, you do that in the .nml file
[20:22:17] <Jymmm> thats why I wanted the java interface
[20:22:42] <fenn> i'm sure you still ahve to do it
[20:22:49] <Jymmm> actually... starting from a blank hdd, how is one suppose to get to emc2?
[20:23:24] <fenn> cvz -d:ext:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/emc checkout emc2
[20:23:31] <Jymmm> BLANK hdd
[20:23:34] <fenn> oh
[20:23:38] <fenn> fuck ifi know
[20:23:41] <Jymmm> lol
[20:23:51] <Jymmm> cradek you have any idea?
[20:23:52] <fenn> bdi works well, i hear
[20:24:36] <Jymmm> 420? 418?
[20:24:47] <fenn> 4.20 seems to be popular
[20:25:04] <Jymmm> is the one off of sherline ok?
[20:25:07] <fenn> you've practically got it already though if you have sarge installed
[20:25:24] <fenn> sherline's server was down last i checked, or maybe they just aren't mirroring the images anymore
[20:25:35] <fenn> if it works, yeah
[20:26:04] <Jymmm> http://www.sherline.com/emc
[20:26:14] <Jymmm> if what works?
[20:26:32] <fenn> the sherline server :)
[20:26:49] <Jymmm> it seems the mirror a custom version,
[20:27:09] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/bdi-4.20.iso
[20:27:24] <Jymmm> whats the MD5 of that?
[20:28:16] <fenn> should be cfabb394dcb1478fae6410bdd19392e9
[20:28:33] <Jymmm> ok, that is what I have already.
[20:28:51] <Jymmm> thanks for the offer though
[20:29:02] <Jymmm> save you some bandwidth there =)
[20:29:44] <Jymmm> well, shit I gotta go get a haircut and pick up a cheap dial indicator.... bbl
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[21:01:42] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[21:01:44] <anonimasu> hello
[21:02:10] <fenn> mau mau
[21:02:42] <Jacky^> hey anonimasu
[21:11:57] <robin_sz> one day ... I will repay you
[21:12:08] <robin_sz> unless of course, I can;t find you
[21:12:12] <robin_sz> or I forget
[21:48:22] <websys> Anyone know how EMC does the feedrate for a rotary axis?
[21:48:40] <websys> Inverse time or IPM?
[21:49:43] <cradek> units per time
[21:50:09] <cradek> usually the units are degrees
[21:50:14] <fenn> units per second i think
[22:58:57] <fenn> i'm making a japanese translation of EMC
[22:59:09] <fenn> i'm having the hardest time with "Estop on/Estop off"
[22:59:20] <fenn> its kinda funny actually
[23:10:29] <anonimasu> heh
[23:11:18] <anonimasu> why?
[23:14:52] <fenn> watching your brain bounce off of what seems so simple.. makes you realize how tiny and pathetic your conscious mind is
[23:17:14] <anonimasu> yeah but why is that translation so ahrd :)
[23:18:08] <fenn> well.. E = emergency.. no word in japanese
[23:18:21] <fenn> stop = thing you push to stop.. hard to translate
[23:18:44] <fenn> on = in the state of being on, okay, easy enough
[23:18:59] <fenn> but trying to get it smushed into a short button-length phrase is the hard part
[23:19:05] <anonimasu> oukyuu = emergency
[23:19:57] <fenn> thanks :)
[23:20:15] <fenn> you should proof-read this when I'm done
[23:20:26] <anonimasu> shuushifu means full stop
[23:20:35] <anonimasu> might be even better though
[23:22:03] <anonimasu> :)