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[00:03:20] <Jacky^> evening
[03:25:20] <Jymmm> awefully quiet in here
[03:36:35] <Kn1ghtjp> yes... vewy vewy quiet
[03:38:10] <Jymmm> too quiet... "Something wicked this way comes"
[04:12:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, 1900hrs has come and passed.
[04:12:08] <A-L-P-H-A> what happened?
[04:17:20] <Jymmm> We thought that there might have been dust behinfd the rails, because when I loosed the mounting screw, the 'bump' was gone. I removed both rails completely, cleaned with napatha, reinstalled, and there are now more bumps.
[04:18:28] <Jymmm> I don't have anything precision enough to validate, but I'm thinking the aluminum back plate (3/8" x 5" x 32") might be 'micro warpped'
[04:19:12] <A-L-P-H-A> what doyou mean bumps?
[04:19:21] <A-L-P-H-A> like significantly hard to roll over spots?
[04:19:31] <Jymmm> I placed a piece of thick aluminum angle I had and coule see light shine thru between the the mounting screws.
[04:19:33] <Jymmm> yes.
[04:19:39] <A-L-P-H-A> how significant?
[04:19:57] <Jymmm> you can feel it in your fingers witht eh leadscrew dis-engaged.
[04:20:00] <A-L-P-H-A> like could you give the gantry a push, and it'd travel over the whole distance? or
[04:20:11] <A-L-P-H-A> stop at the bumps?
[04:20:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, it doesn't have to be PERFECT... at long as it's straight.
[04:20:36] <Jymmm> the bumps are EXACTLY right above the center of the rail mounting screws.
[04:20:51] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... so the rails probably sagged.
[04:21:10] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the size of the machine?
[04:21:23] <Jymmm> when I removed the rails, they were bowed over the length
[04:21:30] <Jymmm> 32 in long rails
[04:21:50] <Jymmm> bowed enough to stop it from rolling off the table.
[04:22:35] <A-L-P-H-A> yup.
[04:22:41] <A-L-P-H-A> warpped rails. lovely.
[04:23:09] <Jymmm> A ways back Les mentioned something to me in respect to mounting aluminum to steel not ebing a good thing as aluminum expands 100x greater than steel.
[04:23:27] <Jymmm> But I never asked him what the signs/results if this was.
[04:24:10] <Jymmm> In respect to bent leadscrews... they are going to repalce them with ballscrews.
[04:24:15] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, what's the diameter of the rails?
[04:24:24] <Jymmm> ~1/2"
[04:24:30] <A-L-P-H-A> of 32 inches?!?!
[04:24:37] <A-L-P-H-A> that's definetly gonna bend.
[04:24:50] <A-L-P-H-A> unless you get some high quality drill rods.
[04:25:01] <A-L-P-H-A> like O1 or A1, or maybe even W1 rods.
[04:25:07] <Jymmm> its mounted to an 3/8" thick aluminum plate
[04:25:16] <Jymmm> they are SS
[04:25:27] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[04:25:37] <A-L-P-H-A> they'll need slides... you'd be so much better off with slides.
[04:26:10] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.k2cnc.com/Picture/KT-2514/CNC_Machine_2514_3Axis-K2cncdotcom_375%20(2).JPG <-- these are good. they're linear slides.
[04:26:16] <A-L-P-H-A> looks to be 3/4"
[04:26:17] <Jymmm> one step at a time...
[04:26:42] <Jymmm> I can't ask for the world all at once and be expected to get it.
[04:26:59] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.k2cnc.com/KT-1414_detail.asp <-- for the price... it's not _that_ bad.
[04:27:05] <A-L-P-H-A> that is, if this thing worked.
[04:27:30] <Jymmm> Well, he siad it MIGHT have been somebody new that assembled tha machine.
[04:27:54] <Jymmm> just too many silly dumb mistakes that were made it seems just like a new person
[04:28:16] <A-L-P-H-A> how's their antibacklash system look like?
[04:28:22] <Jymmm> even on the phone we found more mistakes.
[04:28:41] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm. A1 quality American Made! :D hahahaha
[04:29:03] <Jymmm> I really haven't had a chance to check it out... I'm trying to get the linear motion resolved and go from there.
[04:29:21] <Jymmm> it's a new company about 1.5 years old now.
[04:29:43] <Jymmm> At least they are willing to work out things.
[04:30:26] <Jymmm> I mean, look at BP... They wait over a YEAR before putting a machine into production.
[04:30:41] <Jymmm> just to make sure there are no problems.
[04:31:23] <A-L-P-H-A> BP? Bridge Port?
[04:31:27] <Jymmm> yep
[04:31:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I thought they went out of business.
[04:31:43] <A-L-P-H-A> what model did you get?
[04:31:55] <Jymmm> I dont have one... thats what I read
[04:32:06] <A-L-P-H-A> no from k2.
[04:32:12] <Jymmm> 2525
[04:32:58] <Jymmm> who went out of business? bpt.com ???
[04:35:10] <A-L-P-H-A> they got bought out.
[04:37:48] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I restart samba?
[04:38:06] <A-L-P-H-A> /etc/rc.d/init.d/samba restart
[04:38:41] <A-L-P-H-A> /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:55:48] <Jymmm> ok, know anyway to confirm warping?
[04:58:51] <A-L-P-H-A> yes
[04:59:06] <A-L-P-H-A> find a KNOWN flat surface... granite countertop would probably due.
[04:59:18] <A-L-P-H-A> roll the cylinder across it.
[04:59:22] <Jymmm> no granite available
[04:59:40] <A-L-P-H-A> got a level?
[04:59:42] <A-L-P-H-A> use that.
[04:59:55] <A-L-P-H-A> that's relatively straight. not really. but good enough to test
[05:00:09] <Jymmm> you knwow what, I actually dont. all the ones anymore are aluminum so I never bought one.
[05:00:33] <A-L-P-H-A> window pane... that's relatively flat.
[05:00:45] <A-L-P-H-A> good quality ones are at least.
[05:00:58] <Jymmm> I got a piece of glass from a copy machine =)
[05:01:52] <A-L-P-H-A> damn you've got the ghetto toolbox award.
[05:02:48] <Jymmm> I was trying to salvage steppers from a copy machine a long time ago, but I set aside the glass as the edges were nicely finished.
[05:04:03] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz's right.
[05:04:15] <Jymmm> whats that?
[05:04:15] <A-L-P-H-A> it's cheaper to just buy the damn equipment that's proper for the job.
[05:04:22] <A-L-P-H-A> like linear railts.
[05:04:23] <A-L-P-H-A> rails.
[05:04:28] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck making them.
[05:04:47] <A-L-P-H-A> it'll take me so much time and effort, and my quality may not even be half of what I could just buy.
[05:05:05] <A-L-P-H-A> Like my highspeed spindle. It's taken me MONTHS to get it to where I am now.
[05:05:13] <A-L-P-H-A> which is just a spindle... with three bearings on it.
[05:05:27] <A-L-P-H-A> I still need to cut a thread on the end of the spindle shaft.
[05:06:01] <Jymmm> Well, if you think about it, it's a learning process. building your own "sounds reasonable" but that's not always the case. That is way I bought this thing, so I wouldn't have these types of issues.
[05:06:35] <A-L-P-H-A> but you do.
[05:06:40] <A-L-P-H-A> that's the shit part.
[05:07:09] <Jymmm> Take Les' gantry router, that thing is HUGE! But, it put a lot of quailty parts and design into ti.
[05:07:24] <A-L-P-H-A> yes.
[05:07:27] <Jymmm> He also has the resource to him for making the parts he may need as well.
[05:07:32] <Jymmm> resources
[05:07:32] <A-L-P-H-A> but he does it partly for the love and joy of it.
[05:07:38] <A-L-P-H-A> we as you're doing it for the profit.
[05:07:43] <A-L-P-H-A> .
[05:08:10] <Jymmm> well dont we all, but it's just a matter of deciding 'WHERE' to start.
[05:08:34] <Jymmm> at the bottom with a cordless drill, or somewhere never a $85K cnc cneter
[05:08:40] <Jymmm> s/never/ near/
[05:09:03] <A-L-P-H-A> no. a used CNC centre.
[05:09:07] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[05:09:10] <A-L-P-H-A> auctions galore.
[05:09:38] <Jymmm> and you have the resources to go thru the machien to make sure it's ok
[05:10:01] <A-L-P-H-A> resources, yeah. It's more like, spin it up, and test it.
[05:10:40] <Jymmm> That's what I did, and I find issues with a new machien.
[05:13:24] <Jymmm> ok, to go grab some glass
[05:13:40] <A-L-P-H-A> mirrors.
[05:13:43] <A-L-P-H-A> mirror would do.
[05:13:58] <A-L-P-H-A> but becareful of the supporting surface, as glass bends.
[05:14:22] <A-L-P-H-A> did you already say that the rods wouldn't roll?
[05:27:21] <Jymmm> to them, no. I found out AFTER we got off the phone.
[05:27:25] <Jymmm> But...
[05:28:14] <Jymmm> I shoudl found out that if I loosen the mounting screw to the point they are finger tight theat the bumps are gone. Now by 'loose' I mena the screw are not binding againest anything.
[05:28:28] <Jymmm> s/should/just /
[05:28:57] <Jymmm> in some spots the screws are so loose that the rail has a 1/16th " gap fro the mounting plate.
[05:29:16] <Jymmm> as the rails are bowing from the middle out.
[05:34:51] <A-L-P-H-A> lovely!
[07:56:48] <A-L-P-H-A> so whois around?
[08:07:50] <JymmmEMC> hello?
[08:08:35] <Jymmm> just me
[08:09:03] <Jymmm> still working on the machien... took it mostly apart making adjustments
[08:11:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, any progress?
[08:14:16] <Jymmm> some... X axis movement is smooth expect for two spots, which I'm working on now
[08:14:36] <A-L-P-H-A> well... sounds like you're okay with the machine now.
[08:14:44] <A-L-P-H-A> are you happy with it? or what?
[08:14:49] <A-L-P-H-A> as for the ballscrews, what are they getting you?
[08:14:55] <A-L-P-H-A> roton? hywin? cheapies?
[08:15:15] <Jymmm> nfc
[08:16:28] <A-L-P-H-A> wtf, don't you ask and get a eta, u pos?
[08:16:42] <A-L-P-H-A> i just wanted to use achronyms.
[08:17:58] <Jymmm> any ballscrew is better than acme
[08:18:11] <A-L-P-H-A> uh. not really.
[08:18:21] <A-L-P-H-A> a high quality acme, is better than a shit ballscrew.
[08:18:28] <A-L-P-H-A> now high q ballscrew, no.
[08:18:35] <fenn> as a nerd supremacist, i think use of acronyms indicates inferiority due to lack of innate typing skills
[08:18:50] <Jymmm> i'll ask tomorrow, might be able to get thk if i work my cards right.
[08:19:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I highly doubt that, unless they're the rolled thk.
[08:19:19] <A-L-P-H-A> as ground thk, are EXPENSIVE.
[08:19:42] <fenn> they're buying you new ones just to keep you happy?
[08:19:42] <Jymmm> mo, rails, not screws
[08:19:42] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, I give you premission to crawl back under that rock where you just came from. :)
[08:19:58] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: you pos :P
[08:20:15] <fenn> er, U POS!!!!!!
[08:20:19] <fenn> :)
[08:20:21] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn? where's your 'nerd supremacy' now?
[08:21:16] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A gives fenn a hug. As hugs were something the Fenn never experienced as a child.
[08:21:23] <A-L-P-H-A> the=that
[08:21:29] <A-L-P-H-A> but I guess 'the' works as well.
[08:21:32] <fenn> *sniff* it's so true
[08:28:26] <Jymmm> or as an adult
[08:32:11] <Jymmm> * Jymmm gives fenn a life like blow up doll so he can experiance hugs any time he wants/needs to
[08:32:41] <Jymmm> fenn and remember now... dont ask, dont tell =)
[08:35:51] <Jymmm> they must have a granite table
[09:49:57] <Jymmm> ok, who's still awake?
[09:58:23] <fenn> whew finally he left :)
[10:06:27] <anonimasu> :D
[10:08:16] <anonimasu> what�s up?
[10:11:48] <fenn> watching movies of hungarian antigravity devices
[10:13:41] <Phydbleep> fenn: ?
[10:14:48] <Phydbleep> fenn: Lifter(differential plate capacitors) or true gravitic manipulation?
[10:16:03] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep pokes fenn with an alien probe..
[10:16:04] <fenn> lifters
[10:16:19] <Phydbleep> Ah.. Bummer.. I want true gravitics. :)
[10:16:35] <fenn> seen the hutchinson effect stuff?
[10:16:54] <fenn> er, hutchison
[10:16:59] <Phydbleep> Mr 'Tie matter in knots"?
[10:17:36] <fenn> steel bars turning into grey goo and floating off the tabletop
[10:19:56] <fenn> i still dont really understand why differential capacitor thrust is not considered a gravity effect
[10:20:47] <fenn> does it blow air around or something?
[10:21:41] <Phydbleep> Yeah.. And I love the #5 ufo clip.. You almost cant see the fishing line..
[10:21:53] <Phydbleep> http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html
[10:22:20] <Phydbleep> Make that video #4.
[10:22:52] <Phydbleep> Hehehe... The fishing pole is in the shot and telegraphing the moves.. :)
[10:23:39] <fenn> man that's pretty bad
[10:24:00] <fenn> and at the same time totally hilarious :)
[10:24:20] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is looking at flow benches
[10:24:59] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Get a good blower and build one.
[10:25:12] <anonimasu> yeah, trying to find info about that
[10:26:27] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Get the motor/blower from a pneumatic tranfer tube or get a 5hp motor and a Weiand blower.. :)
[10:26:50] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: It's the design I am about :)
[10:27:59] <anonimasu> err I am curious about
[10:28:36] <Phydbleep> The old power folder/steam mangles use a positive displacement blower as well... Looks about right for a 2000cc motor.
[10:28:50] <A-L-P-H-A> morning folks
[10:29:34] <Phydbleep> alpha_emc: Yes, It's morning.. My allergies are going apesh*t..
[10:29:36] <anonimasu> I could get old vaccum's..
[10:29:49] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Not enough flow.
[10:29:56] <anonimasu> if you have a "few"
[10:30:11] <Phydbleep> Unless your working on lawnmowers..
[10:30:50] <Phydbleep> 2hp shopvac is about right for a 6hp motor.
[10:30:51] <A-L-P-H-A> oh those aluminium floating things, that alter it's polarity, and raise?
[10:31:12] <A-L-P-H-A> aluminium and balsa wood things with a battery attached to it.
[10:31:17] <anonimasu> I guess I am ca couple of 100 off ;)
[10:31:22] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: No, They just drive one plate with a HV DC bias.
[10:31:32] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[10:31:41] <A-L-P-H-A> so it makes it magnetic or something? what's the effect.
[10:31:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I've never heard it explained to me.
[10:31:55] <Phydbleep> Corona wind.
[10:32:12] <A-L-P-H-A> my todo list is growing big. :/
[10:32:13] <Phydbleep> And not the 'beer fart' variety..
[10:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Todo:
[10:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Pulleys for spindle + motor
[10:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> motor bracket
[10:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> Milling parts
[10:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> hair cut
[10:32:15] <A-L-P-H-A> tachometer code
[10:32:17] <A-L-P-H-A> speed controller code
[10:32:18] <A-L-P-H-A> building the tach and speed controller
[10:32:22] <A-L-P-H-A> plus banking, and shit.
[10:32:50] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: You forgot one.. 'get laid'..
[10:33:22] <A-L-P-H-A> that isn't happening today...
[10:33:29] <fenn> yes i distinctly remember hearing you say that
[10:36:31] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: trying to find info about the calcs mostly
[10:36:47] <Phydbleep> http://www.kellytubesystems.com/sampletransport.htm
[10:37:26] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Look at the bottom of the page.. bar of 4 pics.. 3'rd one over. :)
[10:38:51] <anonimasu> ^_^
[10:40:28] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/projects/inj_flow/inj_flow.html
[10:40:42] <anonimasu> thanks!
[10:40:44] <Phydbleep> This project is an article originally published in the magazine "Performance Engineering". The magazine is gone, but this article remains. It describes an automated flow bench for fuel injectors, controlled by a PC. It includes a description of using a strobe light to examine the injector spray pattern.
[10:41:00] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Like that? :)
[10:41:15] <anonimasu> hm, but not right..
[10:41:21] <anonimasu> it's a head flow bench I want :D
[10:41:30] <anonimasu> they suck more
[10:42:38] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Yeah, But the principle is the same.. Use one of the new mass/air sensors and you can get a spec/curve sheet for it.
[10:43:05] <anonimasu> that's a great idea..
[10:43:21] <anonimasu> lift vs flow at specific " matters..
[10:44:18] <anonimasu> and you can always measure the depression and calc it right
[10:46:13] <anonimasu> but I wonerI wonder if it's that simple..
[10:46:20] <anonimasu> err lag.
[10:48:58] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: http://listserv.dom.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind9512&L=stumpers-l&D=0&O=D&P=128476.
[10:49:30] <anonimasu_> http://www.flowdyno.homeip.net/
[10:57:10] <Jacky^> morning
[10:57:35] <anonimasu_> morning
[10:57:42] <Jacky^> hey anonimasu_
[11:02:02] <Phydbleep> Hi Jacky^ :)
[11:02:03] <Jacky^> is it possible to resume a job from the same point was paused ?
[11:02:26] <anonimasu_> yes
[11:02:30] <anonimasu_> press resume
[11:02:52] <anonimasu_> or did you have something other in mind?
[11:02:53] <Jacky^> it seem back again from first gcode line :\
[11:03:06] <Jacky^> can't understand why
[11:03:14] <anonimasu_> me neither :/ it should work that way
[11:03:31] <Jacky^> strange..
[11:04:18] <Jacky^> anytime I use pause and resume it come back to first line..
[11:06:07] <anonimasu_> that sounds like a bug
[11:06:36] <Jacky^> uhm, i think I'm missing something..
[11:06:44] <Jacky^> maybe in the ini file
[11:08:04] <Jacky^> how proceed the jobs there, are working on tool changer ?
[11:08:12] <anonimasu_> no :/
[11:08:17] <anonimasu_> still working too much
[11:08:21] <anonimasu_> got home at 11:00 yesterday night
[11:08:22] <Jacky^> :-)
[11:08:30] <anonimasu_> started at 7 in the morning
[11:08:30] <Jacky^> damn..
[11:08:42] <anonimasu_> I havent moved my machine yet :)
[11:09:01] <anonimasu_> I need to re-machine bearing mounts too, it has a higher priority
[11:09:09] <anonimasu_> so I can try the boring head
[11:09:31] <Jacky^> right..
[11:10:10] <anonimasu_> I installed visualmill yesterday so I might be cranking out some parts tonight :)
[11:10:32] <Jacky^> nice :)
[11:14:01] <anonimasu_> I'll be back in 20 minutes going to work
[11:20:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't like visualmill. but hey. to each their own.
[11:21:10] <Jacky^> hi A-L-P-H-A
[11:21:15] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[11:21:36] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, can you slap your part in a lathe instead?
[11:22:24] <Jacky^> A-L-P-H-A: any idea about my issue ?
[11:23:07] <Jacky^> can't resume a job from the same point was paused..
[11:25:44] <Jacky^> hey paul_c :)
[11:25:44] <A-L-P-H-A> Jacky^, no clue.
[11:25:46] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c may know
[11:25:51] <Jacky^> morning
[11:25:57] <paul_c> yes.
[11:26:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I've paused stuff, and resumed without much issue. but my pauses are from M00 commands
[11:26:35] <Jacky^> it maybe depend on gcode I'm using..
[11:27:36] <Jacky^> paul_c: what's up ?
[11:28:24] <Jacky^> here is raining .. bad summer :(
[11:28:31] <paul_c> was after fenn....
[11:29:03] <paul_c> He's listed as a developer with CVS access...
[11:29:30] <paul_c> just wondering why he isn't doing anything rather than just bitchin' about "stuff".
[11:30:50] <Jacky^> maybe he's busy ?
[11:31:07] <Jacky^> in some other thing
[11:32:10] <Jacky^> paul_c: I can't understand how pause/resume work ..
[11:32:38] <Jacky^> if I paused a job and resume it after a second it restart from first g-code line
[11:32:46] <Jacky^> is it normal ?
[11:33:03] <paul_c> what code are you using for a pause ?
[11:33:19] <Jacky^> just clicking on button of the gui
[11:33:47] <paul_c> which button ?
[11:33:52] <Jacky^> pause
[11:34:09] <Jacky^> then, after few second, resume
[11:34:12] <paul_c> Is this with emc2 ?
[11:34:26] <Jacky^> BDI 4.20, I think is emc
[11:34:35] <Jacky^> right ?
[11:34:55] <paul_c> was.
[11:34:57] <Jacky^> I have not compiled anything
[11:35:30] <Jacky^> just installed it from live CD
[11:35:51] <Jacky^> paul_c: was ?
[11:36:02] <Jacky^> is there a new release ?
[11:36:06] <paul_c> pause/resume works OK here.... How long is your ngc file ?
[11:36:37] <Jacky^> paul_c: I tried with different files, different size
[11:37:02] <Jacky^> I already have the problem with all
[11:37:33] <Jacky^> also tried different gui..
[11:38:26] <Jacky^> anyway.. I will read more
[11:41:21] <Jacky^> in case of black out, is it possible to restart the job without come back to fist line ?
[11:41:46] <Jacky^> maybe using step function ?
[11:42:16] <paul_c> just fired up a bdi-4.20 install.... running tkemc with the dome test.
[11:42:32] <paul_c> Pause/Resume is functioning.
[11:42:45] <Jacky^> ok, thanks paul_c :-)
[11:42:59] <paul_c> If you use Abort, then you have to restart from line one.
[11:43:15] <Jacky^> never used abort yet..
[11:44:13] <Jacky^> paul_c: sorry..
[11:45:03] <Jacky^> Pause/resume can work also if I paused, then switch to manually mode to move some axes, then come back to auto mode and resume ?
[11:45:17] <Jacky^> or not ?
[11:46:20] <paul_c> no.
[11:46:27] <Jacky^> ah ok !
[11:46:30] <Jacky^> :)
[11:46:47] <Jacky^> then why..
[11:47:07] <Jacky^> I was missing this
[11:47:15] <paul_c> mini has a feature where you can run from an arbitary line number.
[11:47:28] <Jacky^> nice..
[11:47:39] <paul_c> Ask Ray about it.
[11:47:46] <Jacky^> ok
[11:48:54] <paul_c> maybe back later.
[12:08:50] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: Not, really but I want to try my new boring head..
[12:09:05] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: and I can machine it in one setup..
[12:09:30] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: me neither but it will make parts ;)
[12:12:08] <Jacky^> anonimasu: aluminium parts ?
[12:12:51] <anonimasu> yes
[12:13:12] <Jacky^> nice
[12:13:28] <Jacky^> I never mill aluminium yet
[12:14:32] <Jacky^> tools for wood aren't good for aluminium right ?
[12:15:47] <Jacky^> and tools for aluminium can't be used for wood, I suppose O_O
[12:20:10] <Jacky^> I'm tring to draw a gift for my brother, an ancient inkpot stand !
[12:20:14] <Jacky^> LOL :)
[12:21:17] <Jacky^> I found some nice inspiration on the web :D
[12:22:15] <Jacky^> I hope there's no (C) on a picture .. hehe
[12:23:37] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jackdinner
[12:41:03] <Jackdinner> Jackdinner is now known as Jacky^
[12:52:26] <anonimasu> Jacky^: metal tools will cut wood..
[12:52:33] <anonimasu> not that great though
[12:52:39] <anonimasu> alu is evil..
[12:52:39] <anonimasu> :D
[12:52:46] <Jacky^> :)
[12:53:39] <Jacky^> my tools are steel hhs, but I've no idea if can cut aluminium
[12:53:45] <Jacky^> I think not
[12:53:47] <anonimasu> most likely :)
[12:53:54] <Jacky^> mmhh..
[12:53:55] <anonimasu> hss is what my tools are also..
[12:54:02] <anonimasu> dormer carbide ones are SO expensive
[12:54:15] <Jacky^> yeah..
[12:58:16] <anonimasu> but I bet they are good also
[12:58:18] <Jacky^> but my machine is not strong, i think can cut 1 mm of Z at the time lol :)
[12:59:58] <Jacky^> take a look: http://www.roboitalia.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=75
[13:00:03] <Jacky^> it's like this
[13:00:11] <Jacky^> a toy-machine :D
[13:01:02] <Jacky^> but I changed the dremel with a 600 W router
[13:01:29] <Jacky^> that work much better :)
[13:01:36] <anonimasu> :)
[13:01:40] <Jacky^> hehe
[13:01:45] <anonimasu> I am going to try mill something with my die grinder
[13:02:00] <Jacky^> ;)
[13:02:03] <anonimasu> but I am not sure it will cut anything..
[13:02:06] <anonimasu> but maybe..
[13:02:14] <anonimasu> 60000rpm
[13:02:21] <Jacky^> wow
[13:02:30] <Jacky^> qhould cut fine
[13:02:59] <anonimasu> :)
[13:03:09] <anonimasu> maybe if it has enough torque
[13:03:10] <Jacky^> the mine work at max 30000 rpm
[13:03:57] <anonimasu> :)
[13:04:05] <anonimasu> I wish my regular spindle would keep that speed..
[13:04:11] <anonimasu> with several 100KW's ;)
[13:04:19] <Jacky^> :D
[13:05:10] <Jacky^> how much the cost of eletric energy there ?
[13:05:59] <anonimasu> I dont know..
[13:06:04] <Jacky^> we pay about 0,68 euro/kw
[13:06:22] <anonimasu> I dont really care :)
[13:06:39] <Jacky^> maybe..
[13:07:20] <Jacky^> is there a website where to calculate the cost for hour
[13:09:32] <Jacky^> found : http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/index.html
[13:09:48] <anonimasu> 3ok
[13:11:47] <Jacky^> ops
[13:12:04] <Jacky^> 0.16 euro/KWh
[13:13:42] <Jacky^> so.. 600W x 1 h x 0.16 = 96 cent /hour
[13:14:05] <Jacky^> ther's also pc and monitor..
[13:14:41] <Jacky^> more of 1 euro for 1 hour of job
[13:16:10] <anonimasu> heh
[13:16:15] <Jacky^> :\
[13:16:30] <anonimasu> if you count electricity you should hardly be doing anything like this as a hobby
[13:16:42] <Jacky^> yeah..
[13:18:24] <Jacky^> would be nice to have a house with solar panel on the top..
[13:18:33] <Jacky^> like many house in germany
[13:19:07] <Jacky^> we lives in south italy, have the sun all the year but we not use it :\
[13:19:17] <Jacky^> bah..
[13:38:34] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[13:38:58] <anonimasu> brb, going to move to my real desk to play with some code :)
[13:39:42] <Jacky^> ;)
[13:45:43] <anonimasu> writing a algorithm to make the machine adapt if you drive with them in heavy terrain..
[14:02:58] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[14:11:49] <Jacky^> four axes machine can make a 3D complete objec ?
[14:12:13] <Jacky^> or need 5 axes ?
[14:12:43] <anonimasu> a 3 axis machine will do 3d..
[14:12:58] <Jacky^> that what i now have..
[14:13:06] <anonimasu> 5 axis machines can do sharp corners.. and impellers and stuff..
[14:13:08] <Jacky^> oh, no I mean
[14:13:22] <Jacky^> 3D in all side
[14:13:48] <anonimasu> yes..
[14:13:54] <Jacky^> 5 axes ?
[14:13:57] <anonimasu> in theory :)
[14:14:06] <Jacky^> why ? O_O
[14:14:13] <Jacky^> pratically not ?
[14:14:25] <anonimasu> you always have to clamp your parts..
[14:14:42] <Jacky^> ah..
[14:15:27] <Jacky^> for example
[14:15:46] <Jacky^> i'm working on a stand inkpot
[14:16:00] <Jacky^> can't do diagonal hole for the pen ..
[14:16:27] <Jacky^> 4 axes machine should do it, I think ..
[14:16:39] <anonimasu> yep
[14:16:42] <anonimasu> with a tilt head..
[14:16:50] <Jacky^> :)
[14:17:08] <anonimasu> with the kind of spindle you have it's easy..
[14:17:18] <anonimasu> since your motor and stuff dosent weigh so very much
[14:17:36] <Jacky^> :D
[14:17:51] <Jacky^> I will search more about it :)
[14:18:00] <Jacky^> should be fun
[14:18:03] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[14:21:14] <Jacky^> hehe
[14:21:55] <Jacky^> I think the router should have about 4-500 gr
[14:21:59] <Jacky^> 1/2 kg
[14:22:01] <anonimasu> what?
[14:22:28] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:22:28] <Jacky^> :-))
[14:22:32] <anonimasu> light
[14:22:49] <Jacky^> should work fine with 4 axes
[14:24:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:25:12] <Jacky^> ;-) i will try
[14:25:44] <Jacky^> so, also learn to setup 4 axes machine :P
[14:26:06] <anonimasu> hm, I dont know if emc has support for it..
[14:26:26] <anonimasu> I think you need rotary + tilt
[14:26:30] <Jacky^> I've seen some ini file comes with BDI
[14:26:49] <Jacky^> ah.. you mean not for head tilt..
[14:27:18] <anonimasu> otherwise you can just tilt your head in \ /
[14:27:20] <Jacky^> well, will see..
[14:27:32] <Jacky^> right
[14:27:34] <anonimasu> or you can have rotary + tilt..
[14:27:37] <anonimasu> ont he table..
[14:27:48] <anonimasu> and just rotate the piece, but rotating the head is nicer :)
[14:28:03] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[14:28:15] <anonimasu> or maybe hand drilling is....
[14:28:34] <Jacky^> when is only one hole ,
[14:28:44] <Jacky^> :)
[14:28:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:29:49] <Jacky^> never seen sicario harm ?
[14:30:00] <Jacky^> that nice :)
[14:30:04] <anonimasu> ?
[14:30:10] <anonimasu> no
[14:30:19] <Jacky^> http://www.sorgonet.com/robotics/sicario/
[14:32:13] <anonimasu> neat
[14:32:23] <anonimasu> but it looks cheap :D
[14:32:29] <Jacky^> :)
[14:32:37] <Jacky^> yeah
[14:33:21] <Jacky^> just for fun ..
[14:33:32] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[14:33:49] <Jacky^> :*
[14:33:52] <Jacky^> hehe
[14:38:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps the algorithm
[14:39:34] <anonimasu> obey! me you damn plc!�"#
[14:39:39] <anonimasu> just kidding
[14:40:09] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ give the hammer to anonimasu
[14:40:14] <Jacky^> :)
[14:40:24] <ValarQ> heh :)
[14:40:27] <anonimasu> this algorithm is kind of funny
[14:43:46] <anonimasu> but it's tricky
[14:50:37] <anonimasu> * anonimasu stretches
[14:50:45] <anonimasu> how's your crap doing?
[15:57:01] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ playng Xtux
[15:59:12] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ got de-mapped by a zombie :
[16:01:16] <Jacky^> ugh
[16:17:27] <fenn> * fenn slaps CIA-8 around with a wet trout.
[16:18:48] <fenn> oh, CVS is easy to use, sure. it only took me 20 minutes to figure out how to check in a god damn file!
[16:21:17] <fenn> although apparently it hasn't actually done anything
[16:26:23] <fenn> * fenn glares at CIA-8
[16:28:04] <anonimasu> fenn: what are you committing?
[16:28:28] <fenn> paul was bitching about how i never do anything but bitch, and since i have CVS access I ought to be doing something
[16:28:44] <fenn> but, like i thought, i don't have cvs access after all
[16:29:02] <anonimasu> heh ok
[16:29:03] <fenn> since paul always bitches about letting 'just anyone' have cvs access
[16:29:26] <fenn> so, i give up
[16:29:28] <anonimasu> I wouldnt mind having time to commit anything myself..
[16:31:47] <fenn> who is yabosukz?
[16:39:22] <anonimasu> ssh 10.0.0.3
[16:43:07] <anonimasu> no clue
[16:49:44] <anonimasu> I just measured a bearing mount
[16:49:47] <anonimasu> goint go machine it later
[17:01:06] <anonimasu> :)
[17:14:29] <websys> What are some alternatives to using the parallel port for emc?
[17:15:11] <cradek> servos or steppers?
[17:15:43] <websys> well - servos are better - correct?
[17:15:55] <anonimasu> the alternative are to use a servocard..
[17:16:04] <websys> such as?
[17:16:18] <anonimasu> or a stepper control card but I am unaware of any that's supported
[17:16:30] <anonimasu> wait a sec
[17:16:38] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is lagging again
[17:17:25] <anonimasu_> there's vital and stg as far as I know
[17:17:31] <anonimasu_> that's been used with success
[17:17:44] <websys> web address?
[17:18:00] <anonimasu_> www.servotogo.com
[17:18:46] <websys> :-) thanx
[17:19:12] <anonimasu_> and www.vitalsystem.com
[17:19:23] <anonimasu_> the vital card is a pci card.. and the stg is a isa card..
[17:20:00] <anonimasu_> steppers are good, but it mostly depends in price/performance
[17:23:45] <websys> But servos are better - correct?
[17:23:52] <anonimasu_> yes
[17:23:52] <websys> for performance
[17:24:14] <anonimasu_> what kind of performance are you looking for?
[17:25:22] <cradek> servos have higher maximum speed but are *much* more expensive
[17:25:26] <anonimasu_> yep
[17:26:06] <websys> thanks for the info anon
[17:26:21] <anonimasu_> np
[17:27:36] <anonimasu_> websys: if you do build a machine keep in mind that inertia matching is important if you are going to run at high speeds
[17:28:06] <anonimasu_> dinnertime :)
[18:45:53] <Jymmm> Hey alex_joni, how ya doin?
[18:46:02] <alex_joni> pretty ok
[18:46:08] <alex_joni> getting ready for 2.6.12
[18:46:10] <Jymmm> good to hear.
[18:46:21] <alex_joni> but there's two it seems :-?
[18:46:29] <Jymmm> oh geeeese
[18:46:37] <alex_joni> 2.6.12.1 and 2.6.12.2
[18:46:44] <Jymmm> lol
[18:46:48] <alex_joni> that's a first .. to me at least
[18:48:03] <Jymmm> I exoect it won't be the last time you see that either =)
[18:48:06] <Jymmm> expect
[18:50:14] <Jacky^> evening alex_joni Jymmm
[18:50:26] <Jymmm> it's 1100
[18:50:27] <Jacky^> are you talking aboud Debian package ?
[18:50:45] <Jacky^> about*
[18:52:35] <alex_joni> [21:04] <Jymmm> it's 1100
[18:52:52] <alex_joni> Jacky^: I'm talking about www.kernel.org
[18:53:07] <Jacky^> ah, ok..
[18:53:31] <alex_joni> and 2.6.11 was actually 2.6.11.1 -> 2.6.11.12
[18:53:53] <Jacky^> important changes about 2.6.12 ?
[18:53:59] <alex_joni> dunno
[18:54:03] <alex_joni> but it seems it breaks emc
[18:54:05] <alex_joni> or rtapi
[18:54:06] <alex_joni> or smthg
[18:54:12] <alex_joni> will know later
[18:54:15] <Jacky^> mmm..
[18:54:19] <alex_joni> back in a bit, rebooting into BDI
[18:54:27] <Jymmm> alex_joni you know anything about bimetal thermal expansion?
[18:54:58] <Jymmm> doh!
[18:58:07] <alex_joni> back
[18:59:05] <Jymmm> alex_joni you know anything about bimetal thermal expansion?
[18:59:22] <alex_joni> only that they usually tend to bend
[18:59:39] <Jymmm> alex_joni know any other attributes by chance?
[19:00:05] <alex_joni> unfortunately no
[19:00:39] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/m5i20cfg.c: Initial revision.
[19:02:08] <Jymmm> alex_joni : Ok, 32" long 1/2" SS bar mounted to 6061 plate that is 1/2" thick x 4" tall x 32" long. and is bolted every 6" - do you think that with the mass of the 6061, it could bow the SS shaft?
[19:02:53] <Jymmm> like the areas between the screws
[19:04:12] <Jymmm> There is a grove foe the shaft to fit into the the aluminum along the entire length btw.
[19:04:30] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/Makefile: Added M5I20 utility.
[19:04:57] <alex_joni> that beats me Jymmm
[19:04:58] <alex_joni> :(
[19:05:03] <Jymmm> ok, thanks =)
[19:10:28] <alex_joni> don't mention it :D
[19:11:25] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/m5i20/ (13 files): Initial revision.
[19:11:40] <anonimasu_> hello
[19:11:51] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[19:12:23] <anonimasu_> how's things going?
[19:12:32] <fenn> Jymmm: does the rod have a flat on one side?
[19:12:43] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (plx9030.h m5i20.h m5i20_HM5-4E.h hal_m5i20.c): Initial revision.
[19:13:18] <alex_joni> hey fenn
[19:13:20] <Jacky^> bye guys, see later..
[19:13:24] <fenn> moof
[19:14:29] <fenn> hey alex, how do i check if i actually have write access to the cvs?
[19:14:45] <alex_joni> you look if you're listed on sourceforge
[19:15:17] <fenn> okay, here's the deal. i commit a change, and it acts like it goes through, but nothing happens on the sourceforge end of things
[19:15:27] <alex_joni> how did you check out?
[19:15:34] <alex_joni> -d:ext: ?
[19:15:39] <fenn> yeah
[19:15:46] <fenn> er, i think
[19:15:54] <alex_joni> check
[19:15:54] <cradek> fenn: the web cgi is very slow to respond
[19:15:57] <cradek> (hours)
[19:16:10] <alex_joni> yeah.. but CIA should have said smthg
[19:16:19] <cradek> true
[19:16:26] <cradek> that's usually just seconds
[19:16:28] <alex_joni> cradek: if you're lucky (hours) it might also be (days)
[19:16:35] <alex_joni> err.. day
[19:16:58] <alex_joni> fenn: check out again using your sourceforge username
[19:17:11] <alex_joni> then try to commit
[19:18:05] <cradek> http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=6744
[19:18:14] <cradek> you should read "Developer CVS Access via SSH"
[19:18:20] <alex_joni> that too ;)
[19:18:27] <cradek> there are also some introductions to CVS in general
[19:18:35] <cradek> ... if you haven't used it before
[19:18:47] <alex_joni> there is a scratch file for CVS tests
[19:18:48] <alex_joni> iirc
[19:18:54] <alex_joni> under documents/ was it?
[19:19:10] <fenn> right
[19:19:11] <anonimasu_> hm.. seems like the math for a flowbench is simple..
[19:19:16] <fenn> documents/scratch.txt
[19:21:07] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:21:09] <Jymmm> fenn : no it does, The aluminum plate has a match grove for the shaft along it's entire length.
[19:21:30] <Jymmm> s/match/matching/
[19:21:54] <Jymmm> s/does/doesn't/
[19:23:12] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/Makefile: Added M5I20 driver.
[19:24:23] <fenn> uh, weird nevermind.. just checked out a new copy of the cvs and it has my changes in it
[19:24:48] <alex_joni> then it's probably CIA lagging
[19:24:58] <alex_joni> that last message has been sent already
[19:25:05] <alex_joni> hmmm.. another thought
[19:25:16] <alex_joni> not sure that CIA is sending messages on documents/
[19:25:30] <fenn> i changed emc2/emc/kinematics/trajectory.h
[19:27:25] <alex_joni> greetings paul
[19:27:43] <Jymmm> and salutations!
[19:29:14] <paul_c> just uploaded 2.6.12.2 & rtai to a Debian repository.
[19:29:27] <alex_joni> Im compiling it...
[19:29:37] <alex_joni> but .deb sounds better ;)
[19:29:53] <paul_c> RTAI from the magma branch ?
[19:29:58] <alex_joni> although.. your deb's usually lack ACPI ;)
[19:30:04] <alex_joni> 3.2-test2
[19:30:37] <alex_joni> but for now only 2.6.12.2 with the ADEOS patch from gna.org
[19:30:57] <alex_joni> rtai comes after this
[19:31:20] <fenn> are you "applying the scientific method?"
[19:31:23] <paul_c> 3.2-test2 needs the RTAI patch - They tweek the adeos patch a little.
[19:31:40] <alex_joni> bugger that
[19:31:55] <alex_joni> how about 2.6.12.2 with the adeos patch and rtai-3.2 ?
[19:32:08] <paul_c> fenn: When you go bitchin' about emc developers, remember - You have full read/write access...
[19:32:23] <paul_c> So quit bitchin' and do some coding.
[19:32:43] <fenn> heh
[19:32:56] <fenn> good ol paul
[19:33:10] <fenn> i dont even know what it was I said
[19:33:33] <cradek> well none of us ever bitch, especially paul
[19:33:59] <Jymmm> cradek O_o
[19:34:19] <Jymmm> cough*horseshit*cough
[19:36:01] <Jymmm> Is the ability to have a remote user interface still valid? If so, can I have DUAL interfaces going at the same time, one local, one remote?
[19:36:15] <fenn> i think so
[19:36:26] <alex_joni> Jymmm: sure it is
[19:36:26] <fenn> try it out and tell us :0
[19:36:36] <alex_joni> I tried it out a while ago
[19:36:37] <Jymmm> do they have to be the SAME interfaces?
[19:37:04] <cradek> no
[19:37:13] <Jymmm> ok, cool.
[19:37:36] <anonimasu_> anything that will talk nml will do right?
[19:37:46] <alex_joni> right
[19:37:57] <alex_joni> even the cough java cough GUI
[19:38:01] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ sighs I really should code instead of do other stuff
[19:38:09] <Jymmm> fenn was bitching (again?) about my 'suck machine' so I thought I'd get rid of X on the machine and go gui remotely.
[19:38:40] <fenn> well, it sounds like it's got plenty of processing power, but the reliability stinks
[19:38:56] <fenn> crashing on install means something's borked
[19:39:12] <anonimasu_> hm it seems like the flowbench forum is dead
[19:39:17] <cradek> never try to fix a hardware problem by playing with the software ... down that path lies madness
[19:39:35] <Jymmm> fenn Ha! I wiped that shit, installed debain sarge, apt-get emc... flawless install.
[19:39:36] <alex_joni> cradek: there have been such attempts in the past
[19:39:46] <cradek> "maybe if I uninstall and reinstall the driver one more time..."
[19:39:55] <anonimasu_> hm, that can help..
[19:39:55] <anonimasu_> :D
[19:40:11] <cradek> alex_joni: I admit it's sometimes hard to tell the difference.
[19:40:23] <cradek> alex_joni: it's typically easier with linux than windows.
[19:40:25] <alex_joni> heh
[19:40:27] <CIA-8> 03petev * 10emc2/configs/ (m5i20_io.hal m5i20_motion.hal): Initial revision.
[19:40:28] <alex_joni> right
[19:40:37] <alex_joni> CIA-8: we had that already
[19:40:41] <alex_joni> tell us some new stuff
[19:40:51] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ pokes cia
[19:41:00] <Jymmm> fenn : I had ZERO problems installing sarge and apt-get EMC.
[19:41:32] <fenn> Jymmm: then what's the problem?
[19:41:48] <Jymmm> fenn all your bitching!
[19:41:50] <Jymmm> lol
[19:41:55] <fenn> what did i say!?
[19:42:14] <fenn> * fenn looks around at all the empty vodka bottles and wonders what happened last night
[19:42:31] <Jymmm> 'good he's gone now' for one.
[19:42:45] <fenn> last i remember was something about a blow up doll
[19:42:58] <Jymmm> blow up doll and vodka huh?
[19:43:29] <alex_joni> guess that was a blown up doll
[19:43:31] <Jymmm> you better count all those empty vodka bottles, make sure they are all accounted for =)
[19:44:13] <Jymmm> Nah, it's just lagging now. X is so resource intensive.
[19:44:32] <fenn> switch to icewm
[19:44:55] <Jymmm> I can give that a shot... I tried KDE and Gnome already.
[19:45:00] <alex_joni> or use usrmot as a GUI
[19:45:07] <alex_joni> non-X
[19:45:10] <fenn> keystick?
[19:45:40] <Jymmm> ?
[19:45:51] <fenn> keystick is a text mode UI
[19:46:05] <Jymmm> Ah, ok. I'm still RTFMing
[19:47:54] <fenn> anyone know where to start looking for CAM algorithms?
[19:48:14] <fenn> surely there is something out there besides proprietary stuff
[19:49:50] <websys> as in cycloidal/epicycloidal cams?
[19:50:19] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:50:26] <websys> drum cams with follower arms?
[19:50:37] <websys> it gets to be anasty mess
[19:50:54] <fenn> Silence, fool!
[19:50:57] <anonimasu_> :D
[19:51:03] <websys> Yes master
[19:51:11] <alex_joni> fenn: websys should know
[19:51:12] <anonimasu_> fenn: ask websys nicely I think he knows about it *hint*
[19:51:15] <alex_joni> really
[19:51:24] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:51:31] <fenn> right, i'm so sure he's gonna share his livelihood with me
[19:51:48] <websys> Well that part of our system is free
[19:51:53] <alex_joni> weeeeelll... if you start like that...
[19:51:55] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ slaps fenn
[19:52:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni helps anonimasu
[19:52:11] <fenn> * fenn slaps fenn
[19:52:22] <fenn> it's way past my bedtime
[19:52:37] <fenn> websys: free as in beer or free as in speech?
[19:52:56] <fenn> i.e. can I steal the source code and make a CAM plugin for brlcad?
[19:52:59] <Jymmm> fenn found em!
[19:53:09] <Jymmm> Independent algorithms used computer aided manufacturing (CAM) purposes, volume modelling necessary to drive NC (numerical controlled) machines, SLM (selective laser melting) machines, and surface reconstruction. (All platforms)
[19:53:10] <websys> We don't charge for the CAD side of the system only cam
[19:54:18] <fenn> Jymmm: link?
[19:54:53] <fenn> nevermind
[19:54:58] <Jymmm> http://sourceforge.net/projects/verot/
[19:59:13] <cradek> no files, no commits?
[20:00:21] <Jymmm> is there an email?
[20:02:37] <fenn> looks like a company just decided to put all their old code up on sourceforge
[20:02:53] <fenn> there's been some activity on the cvs
[20:03:02] <alex_joni> yeah.. 16 months ago
[20:03:23] <fenn> well, better than never! :)
[20:06:43] <Jymmm> ftp://ftp.eunet.bg/pub/simtelnet/msdos/engin/mrm20a.zip
[20:09:09] <fenn> what's that, like bolt circles and stuff?
[20:11:43] <Jymmm> take a look at MRMANUAL.DOC (it's ascii, not MS-Word format)
[20:13:08] <Jymmm> it looks sorta like a mini verison of macheniry Handbook
[20:14:41] <fenn> yeah
[20:15:12] <fenn> not exactly what i meant by CAM algorithms..
[20:15:31] <websys> What algorithms are you looking for?
[20:15:35] <Jymmm> I didn't know what it was, just thought I'd pass it along.
[20:15:38] <fenn> i'm stuck on how to know which peak of a mountain range to start on when doing waterline
[20:15:53] <fenn> like, say you have a torus
[20:16:07] <fenn> do you cut out the inside first or the outside?
[20:16:15] <fenn> and which side is the inside?
[20:16:18] <fenn> that sort of thing
[20:17:02] <websys> Ahhh - that's the problem - everybody has a different answer
[20:17:23] <Jymmm> fenn : http://gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net/
[20:17:29] <websys> depends what the configuration is
[20:17:37] <Jymmm> fenn : http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html
[20:18:35] <fenn> dont think gnu-cad-cam got past the "diagram" stage
[20:20:31] <fenn> maybe this will all become clear as soon as i start writing code :)
[20:20:44] <websys> You will learn a lot
[20:21:11] <websys> I've only been doing it for 30 years
[20:22:03] <websys> And end users always have some "feature" that was never done
[20:23:12] <websys> and when you have too many "features" they say it's too complicated
[20:23:16] <fenn> well, i'm more interested in providing tools that let the computer figure things out on its own than implementing time-savers for human-based fiddling
[20:24:02] <fenn> there's also a lot more complexity on the CAD side of things
[20:24:15] <websys> but every machinist has their own idea on the "proper" way to machine
[20:24:27] <fenn> well too damn bad for them :)
[20:24:31] <websys> lol
[20:24:48] <fenn> seriously, that's half the point of open-source
[20:25:02] <fenn> it's easier for the programmer, since you can say, "well, write it your own-self"
[20:25:44] <websys> That's why we put as much of the system in scripts as possible so they can write thier own functions
[20:27:32] <websys> Only problem I see in open-source is the religious wars that break out over the "right" way to do things
[20:27:56] <fenn> heh
[20:27:59] <fenn> true
[20:28:21] <websys> and you end up with paralysis by analysis
[20:30:03] <fenn> this verot code has some weird function/variable names
[20:32:14] <fenn> Eyrglle
[20:32:42] <websys> Guess you don't speak the language
[20:33:30] <Jymmm> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/492775.html
[20:34:07] <fenn> uh, no.
[20:34:24] <fenn> sorry but I'm not gonna let a genetic algorithm anywhere near a machine tool
[20:35:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm smacks fenn with a flaming parasit!
[20:35:38] <websys> You wouldn't want your machine tool to evolve?
[20:35:42] <fenn> * fenn blocks with Eyrglle, sword of the elfin craftsman.
[20:39:40] <Jymmm> http://www.mel.nist.gov/
[20:39:47] <Jymmm> that's it, no more searching for you!
[20:39:57] <fenn> thanks anyway jymmm
[20:40:09] <Jymmm> http://www.google.com/search?q=Computer+aided+manufacturing+algorithms&btnG=Search&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off
[20:47:26] <anonimasu> hm, I guess ga's could be used tooptimize toolpaths..
[20:47:43] <Jymmm> Giant Ardvarks?
[20:48:34] <anonimasu_> genetic algorighms..
[20:48:45] <Jymmm> That might be kinda cool... toss a spindle on an ardvark and have it follow the lines =)
[20:48:48] <anonimasu_> err algorithms..
[20:49:12] <Jymmm> Though, a Giant Anteater might be better suites for the task.
[20:49:16] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ sighs
[20:49:17] <Jymmm> suited
[20:49:23] <Jymmm> BioCNC
[20:50:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu oh, come on... it was funny =)
[20:50:34] <anonimasu_> yeah, but I am tried :)
[20:50:45] <Jymmm> fair enough =)
[20:53:10] <fenn> well goodnight
[20:53:16] <Jymmm> G;Night fenn
[21:00:51] <alex_joni> yeah, night fenn
[21:23:31] <Jymmm> fenn np =)
[21:26:02] <alex_joni> coo.. cron works
[21:26:05] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:26:15] <Jymmm> lol, hasta!
[21:48:20] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to rant.
[21:48:50] <A-L-P-H-A> why the hell are English majors, so anal about spelling? They're incredibly annoying that way.
[21:49:03] <A-L-P-H-A> oh well.
[21:49:42] <cradek> I'm anal, but not an English major.
[21:50:34] <anonimasu_> A-L-P-H-A: because they are so much better then you are..
[21:50:41] <anonimasu_> A-L-P-H-A: Just get over it ;D
[21:50:57] <anonimasu_> A-L-P-H-A: it's all in their head.
[21:51:06] <anonimasu_> s/head/heads
[22:08:31] <dave-e> anyone home?
[22:08:40] <Jacky^> hi dave-e
[22:08:47] <dave-e> hi there...
[22:09:17] <dave-e> jacky...where are you
[22:09:27] <Jacky^> dave-e: Italy
[22:09:32] <dave-e> ah..
[22:09:49] <dave-e> good weather?
[22:10:26] <Jacky^> ahh ! bad :\
[22:10:34] <Jacky^> raining :(
[22:11:20] <dave-e> ugh! ... here is 82, sunny and 28% rh...not bad
[22:12:36] <dave-e> I'm in south central WA state.. 1500 ' msl and dry... rain @20 cm a year
[22:12:46] <Jymmm> it's 83F and 50% humitity - yuck
[22:12:55] <Jymmm> SFO
[22:12:56] <websys> -dave-e as in Engvall?
[22:13:06] <dave-e> yep
[22:13:17] <Jacky^> nice
[22:13:20] <websys> Got the dxf and have it on my screen
[22:13:29] <dave-e> how does it look
[22:13:44] <websys> Fine - what do you want to do with it?
[22:13:59] <websys> develop a solid model?
[22:14:06] <dave-e> maybe a couple of tool paths
[22:14:18] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek... recieving anal doesn't count.
[22:14:22] <dave-e> well if you want to....the cam might be interestijng
[22:14:23] <A-L-P-H-A> but seriously, it's pretty annoying.
[22:14:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it's their only thing that they're holding on to... so they can believe that they have a purpose in life.
[22:15:24] <Jymmm> websys : You should have told fenn you'll give him access to your CVS =)
[22:16:59] <dave-e> since I'm a software dummy I need some help
[22:17:33] <Jymmm> * Jymmm pokes websys
[22:18:10] <websys> Sorry - on phone - brb
[22:18:28] <Jymmm> websys : NO WAY! irc comes before RL =)
[22:18:36] <dave-e> hmmm...no one sticks their neck out.
[22:23:13] <Jymmm> dave-e hmmmm?
[22:23:56] <dave-e> all I need to do is look as some 8255 registers on an isa card....
[22:24:15] <dave-e> system is bdi 2-18
[22:24:36] <dave-e> attempts to run say "cannot execute binary file"
[22:24:46] <dave-e> compile runs clean ... no warnings
[22:25:08] <Jymmm> isn't it up to 4.20 now?
[22:25:20] <dave-e> no stg driver
[22:25:31] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[22:26:18] <dave-e> I'm pretty careful about switching...get in too much trouble.
[22:26:31] <dave-e> the machine needs to run reliably
[22:27:06] <Jymmm> see, now you are pushing it... you want accuracy or reliability... you can't have both! That's just asking WAY TOO MUCH!
[22:27:21] <dave-e> besides one of these days it is going to make something useful....besides parts for conversion of machines
[22:27:44] <dave-e> HA! I WANT IT ALL
[22:27:58] <Jymmm> This is Planet Earth... you can't have it all!
[22:28:05] <anonimasu_> lol
[22:28:06] <dave-e> eh? says who
[22:28:22] <dave-e> coolant and tool change would go a long way
[22:28:24] <anonimasu_> I do, because you cant have my part
[22:28:37] <Jymmm> dave-e anonimasu says!
[22:28:41] <anonimasu_> :D
[22:28:46] <dave-e> all I want is mine to work....yours is your problem
[22:29:01] <Jymmm> dave-e : You don't like it? Leave! Nobody is keeping you on the planet!
[22:29:07] <anonimasu_> not if you want my part of the planet..
[22:29:10] <anonimasu_> :D
[22:29:18] <dave-e> life is tough
[22:29:34] <dave-e> and I'm not getting any younger
[22:29:56] <Jymmm> dave-e : See, if you went to another planet, you would be getting younger!
[22:30:05] <Jymmm> weyland!
[22:30:12] <dave-e> hmmmm but hard to carry off
[22:30:15] <weyland> crap... they saw me...
[22:30:22] <weyland> run~!
[22:30:33] <Jymmm> dave-e : Well, win one of those tickets to be the rest civilian in space
[22:30:35] <dave-e> run, hide, weyland...while there is time
[22:30:42] <weyland> hahaha...
[22:30:48] <weyland> howzit boyz?
[22:30:49] <Jymmm> you can run, but you can't hide!
[22:30:57] <Jymmm> s/rest/first/
[22:31:11] <Jymmm> weyland SSDD
[22:31:13] <dave-e> no but i can move to the boonies....on second thought I'm there
[22:31:28] <Jymmm> dave-e I bet your not in the boonies
[22:31:34] <weyland> looking for some coding help...
[22:31:44] <Jymmm> dave-e where are you btw?
[22:31:48] <weyland> have a problem trybing to run a mastercam generated file
[22:31:59] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A uses mastercam
[22:32:15] <dave-e> Selah, WA...look on the 'TreeTop apple juice cans
[22:32:29] <Jymmm> dave-e THAT S NOT THE BOONIES!
[22:32:30] <weyland> on the bright side, I hada friend give me access to his seat of mcam to use for making code
[22:32:57] <weyland> ohhhhhh A-L-P-H-AAAAAAAAAA...
[22:33:03] <dave-e> 200 mi to Spokane, 180 to Portland, 150 to Boeing surplus (Kent)
[22:33:04] <weyland> heh
[22:33:45] <dave-e> Well, the only thing that is much better is UP...upper pennisula of MI where Ray Henry is.
[22:34:29] <Jymmm> dave-e : Now this; THIS is the boonies --> http://kh.google.com/kh?v=2&t=tqtqsqrttrs
[22:34:41] <weyland> A-L-P-H-A: you watching?
[22:35:10] <dave-e> OK so where is it? Alaska?
[22:35:12] <Jymmm> dave-e http://maps.google.com/maps?q=alaska&ll=62.744665,-150.655518&sll=37.062500,-95.677068&spn=1.408997,0.977165&sspn=72.926132,65.830078&t=k&hl=en
[22:35:19] <Jymmm> dave-e Denali NP
[22:35:28] <Jymmm> sat photo
[22:35:40] <dave-e> yep...boonies....no internet ;-)
[22:35:50] <Jymmm> dave-e there's internet... sat only
[22:36:15] <Jymmm> dave-e you just might not have electricity or running water though
[22:36:32] <Jymmm> or even an indoor tiolet
[22:36:34] <dave-e> that is what the putty-put is for
[22:36:54] <anonimasu_> weyland: use the turbocnc post.. and just modify the GXX stuff at the top
[22:37:06] <dave-e> I spent four summers on a fire lookout in the cascades a bunch of years ago.
[22:37:38] <Jymmm> the girl next door used to live in Alaska, her parents still do.
[22:37:49] <dave-e> wood fire, water was 700 vertical feet ...no power
[22:37:57] <Jymmm> She tells me some funny storiies
[22:38:09] <dave-e> bears?
[22:38:36] <Jymmm> Yeah, they forgot the guns and had to jump off a 50ft cliff a couple of times
[22:39:11] <dave-e> I walked out on the catwalk of my LO one day and a bear came shooting out of the outhouse....
[22:39:18] <Jymmm> but the bears aren't so bad as much as the moose are
[22:39:32] <dave-e> a mad moose is not funny
[22:39:54] <Jymmm> neither is a calm one so I hear
[22:40:07] <dave-e> not bad at 300 m
[22:40:16] <Jymmm> lol
[22:40:54] <Jymmm> you know, I need to get out the .22 and completely break it down. It's be handed down and was never taken care of
[22:41:07] <Jymmm> there's rust on brass, etc
[22:41:32] <dave-e> ouch...well not rust but corrosion....rust is only from iron/steel
[22:41:33] <Jymmm> I just have nfc how to restore such damage
[22:41:43] <anonimasu_> polish and polish and polish
[22:41:45] <Jymmm> dave-e it's rust I suspect from water
[22:41:57] <Jymmm> anonimasu instead the barrel?
[22:42:03] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ throws a polish cloth at Jymmm
[22:42:15] <anonimasu_> to get the brass clean you polish..
[22:42:26] <Jymmm> anonimasu instead the brass tube?
[22:42:29] <Jymmm> inside
[22:42:36] <dave-e> If the gun is a collectors item be careful how much you do.
[22:42:36] <anonimasu_> it's just oxide it should come off..
[22:42:45] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[22:43:02] <Jymmm> dave-e I understand that part. That's why I haven't touched the winchester
[22:43:11] <dave-e> I have a '47 Springfield musketoon and I'm pretty careful with it
[22:43:23] <anonimasu_> or well you could talk to somone that's a pro at restoring guns
[22:43:27] <Jymmm> winchester 1886 (iirc)
[22:44:02] <dave-e> '86 were nice....and heavy....considerably stronger than the '73
[22:44:06] <Jymmm> In respect tothe winchester, it s was a working gun and part of the SN has worn down, so they won't touch it.
[22:44:44] <anonimasu_> there has to be someone..
[22:47:16] <dave-e> find someone who is a cowboy action shooter, they can point you in the right direction
[22:48:52] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ yawns
[22:49:47] <dave-e> gotta run, catch you later
[22:52:12] <Jymmm> anonimasu oh there probably is, but in Calif there are realy leary of things. Probably Az/NM/TX it would be much easier.
[22:59:29] <anonimasu_> :)
[22:59:32] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ has no clue really
[23:00:06] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[23:00:08] <Jacky^> hey anonimasu_ :)
[23:00:23] <Jacky^> solved the algorithm ?
[23:01:07] <A-L-P-H-A> me? who?
[23:01:09] <A-L-P-H-A> brb
[23:02:09] <weyland> anonimasu: huh? wotcha mean?
[23:03:21] <anonimasu_> Jacky^: oh, I stopped working 9 hours ago :)
[23:03:23] <anonimasu_> err 8
[23:04:12] <Jacky^> nice idea :P
[23:04:15] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:04:27] <anonimasu_> the algorithm?
[23:04:41] <Jacky^> uff.. yeah
[23:04:48] <anonimasu_> thanks :)
[23:04:48] <Jacky^> do you remember ?
[23:04:52] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:04:54] <anonimasu_> the one I told you about today
[23:05:01] <anonimasu_> or was it something else?
[23:05:08] <Jacky^> nope..
[23:05:32] <Jacky^> the one you told me this afternoon
[23:06:16] <Jacky^> afternoon here, I mean ..
[23:06:19] <Jacky^> :)
[23:06:20] <anonimasu_> yeah, when I was at work
[23:06:48] <Jacky^> anonimasu_: what time is it there now ?
[23:06:51] <anonimasu_> I got loads of code written so I can probably try it tomorrow
[23:06:54] <anonimasu_> 00:17
[23:07:01] <Jacky^> same time..
[23:07:33] <anonimasu_> :)
[23:07:41] <weyland> anonimasu: waddya mean about the turbocnc post?
[23:08:11] <anonimasu_> weyland: it's a post that works 90% with emc
[23:08:29] <anonimasu_> if you remove the unsupported GXX stuff in it it'll work
[23:08:38] <weyland> there's a tcnc post in mcam????
[23:08:48] <anonimasu_> there's one on the yahoo tcnc group
[23:09:00] <weyland> KEWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL~!
[23:09:20] <weyland> this might be something simple, too...
[23:09:27] <anonimasu_> heh
[23:09:27] <anonimasu_> :)
[23:09:28] <weyland> you might knbow from experience
[23:09:43] <weyland> I'm trying to pocket something
[23:09:53] <weyland> and I'm getting a arc too small error
[23:10:06] <anonimasu_> in mastercam?
[23:10:09] <anonimasu_> or in emc?
[23:10:28] <weyland> in emc when I run the mcam generated sode
[23:10:51] <weyland> code
[23:11:34] <anonimasu_> no idea, it's been too long since I messed with mastercam
[23:11:37] <weyland> damn
[23:11:39] <weyland> okay
[23:11:43] <anonimasu_> but I think there should be a setting somwhere..
[23:12:06] <weyland> I thought I saw something in there about checking for gouging, but can't find it anymore...
[23:12:25] <weyland> and my being five days new to mcam prolly isnt helping
[23:12:27] <anonimasu_> ah yeah, it's on the pocketing stuff
[23:12:36] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ has a book on mastercam in the shelve..
[23:12:38] <anonimasu_> but it sucks..
[23:12:47] <weyland> yeah, that's what I fouind out too
[23:12:47] <anonimasu_> just shows how you do stuff nothing in depth about the functionality
[23:12:55] <weyland> zackly
[23:13:16] <weyland> basically, it just showed me where the commands where hidden
[23:13:27] <anonimasu_> :)
[23:13:37] <weyland> I know that smirk
[23:13:49] <weyland> it's the one I'm wearing while I write that
[23:14:08] <weyland> that's the been there, done that smirk
[23:14:30] <anonimasu_> hm, I should have a demo cd of mastercam lying around somewhere
[23:15:16] <anonimasu_> hm, cant find it..
[23:15:46] <weyland> I gotta go to my friends to use his installation, but I have keys
[23:16:11] <anonimasu_> ok
[23:16:23] <weyland> besides, I'm all linux, so can't run it local
[23:16:34] <anonimasu_> I just cant remember where you can change so you get large moves..
[23:17:04] <weyland> yeah, thats what I thought but damned if I can find it in there again
[23:17:16] <weyland> I'll go there right now, will you be in here for a bit?
[23:17:26] <weyland> 45 minutes?
[23:17:38] <anonimasu_> hm, no
[23:17:45] <anonimasu_> I am way past bedtime :/
[23:18:00] <weyland> okay, I'll poke around myself
[23:18:07] <anonimasu_> good luck
[23:18:09] <weyland> Thanks for the help though
[23:18:22] <weyland> least I know I wasn't dreaming
[23:18:25] <anonimasu_> drop me a message if there's anything and I'll try to get back to you.. when I see you :)
[23:18:35] <weyland> okay, kewl
[23:18:44] <weyland> rthatnks for the ti about tcnc post
[23:18:46] <anonimasu_> I got my old laptop at work with a install so I can have a look
[23:18:49] <weyland> tip
[23:18:54] <anonimasu_> in a shelve.. :)
[23:18:55] <weyland> kewlio
[23:18:58] <weyland> hahaha
[23:19:17] <weyland> later boyz~!
[23:31:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm back. miss me?
[23:32:02] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj, bookmark
[23:32:02] <A-L-P-H-A> See http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-07-12#T23-32-02
[23:32:29] <A-L-P-H-A> damn that took me like 1/2hr to complete my rewiring.
[23:38:24] <anonimasu_> :)
[23:38:26] <anonimasu_> nice
[23:50:12] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ yawns
[23:50:13] <anonimasu_> night
[23:50:54] <Jymmm> G'Night anonimasu
[23:54:50] <Jacky^> night anonimasu_