#emc | Logs for 2005-07-09

[00:00:18] <anonimasu> hm, gnome sure is nice.
[00:00:28] <anonimasu> it's gone 10000years forward from when I ran it last
[00:01:51] <jacky^> LawrenceG cool, thanks :D
[02:40:18] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/libnml/inifile/inivar.cc: modified inivar to return failure if the variable can't be found
[04:06:02] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/libnml/inifile/inifile.cc: lock structure (part of Inifile object) gets zeroed when created by new() but not when the inifile object is simply declared as an automatic variable... added explicit zeroing of lock structure fields to open() method
[04:20:08] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/ (configs/emc.ini scripts/emc.run):
[04:20:08] <CIA-8> multiple changes to run script... fixed LANG problem reported by Knud
[04:20:08] <CIA-8> Dombrowsky, blocked potentially confusing error messaages from inivar, revised
[04:20:08] <CIA-8> the HAL section to use the -num argument to inivar (modified emc.ini to match),
[04:20:08] <CIA-8> removed some unused code
[04:31:04] <bpmw_> Evening Folks:)
[05:41:07] <Jymmmm> anyone around?
[06:21:25] <DracoDan> damn, guess this place isnt for the enterprise storage company :(
[06:21:38] <wkh> huh?
[06:22:38] <DracoDan> www.emc.com
[06:26:03] <DracoDan> k, bye now!
[09:08:15] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
[11:24:55] <alex_joni> greetings all
[11:41:46] <ValarQ> greetings you
[11:49:22] <alex_joni> hey ValarQ
[11:49:39] <alex_joni> just finished installing bdi-4.20 on my laptop
[11:49:39] <alex_joni> :D
[12:07:13] <CIA-8> 03yabosukz * 10emc2/src/libnml/inifile/inifile.cc: give lock in delete
[13:48:16] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away
[13:48:19] <alex_joni> later guys
[15:24:05] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[16:10:56] <anonimasu> hello
[16:11:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has been watching dragracing all day
[16:56:10] <bpmw> Good Morning !
[17:17:29] <bpmw> Hows everyone doing today?
[17:20:42] <bpmw> I want to try out my new Gecko drives but emc won't start. Says emc.nml file not found, but I checked configs folder and it is there. Any Suggestions?
[17:42:35] <bpmw_> Hi John!
[17:42:48] <bpmw_> I'm In garage!
[17:43:21] <jmkasunich> cool
[17:44:17] <bpmw_> I wanted to try out one of the new drives, but emc wont start. Says emc.nml error
[17:44:39] <jmkasunich> it started before, right?
[17:45:15] <bpmw_> yes, but we had astorm the other night and I didn't shut down computer.
[17:45:50] <jmkasunich> hmmm
[17:46:18] <jmkasunich> anything else seem screwey about that computer?
[17:46:43] <bpmw_> no seems to work fine
[17:47:06] <bpmw_> do you want the specifics re: error?
[17:47:15] <jmkasunich> ok
[17:47:25] <bpmw_> one sec
[17:48:53] <bpmw_> emc toolcmd buffer not available
[17:49:42] <bpmw_> and tool.sts buffer not available
[17:50:17] <jmkasunich> ok
[17:50:27] <jmkasunich> there have been some recent changes and bugfixes
[17:50:38] <jmkasunich> so lets get the latest code:
[17:50:41] <jmkasunich> open a shell
[17:50:45] <jmkasunich> cd to your emc2 directory
[17:50:47] <bpmw_> ok
[17:50:54] <jmkasunich> and do "cvs up -dP"
[17:52:22] <jmkasunich> that will take a few minutes on dialup
[17:53:30] <Jymmm> jmkasunich just a few =)
[17:54:02] <bpmw_> john something is happening but looks like chinese
[17:54:41] <jmkasunich> should be a fe lines like "? scr/stuff/morestuff"
[17:54:46] <jmkasunich> followed by lines like
[17:55:04] <jmkasunich> "cvs update: Updating src/stuff/morestuff"
[17:55:06] <jmkasunich> and
[17:55:14] <jmkasunich> "P src/stuff/morestuff"
[17:55:30] <bpmw_> not happening like that!
[17:55:39] <jmkasunich> AFS
[17:56:21] <jmkasunich> what was the first line printed after "cvs up -dP"? (you should be able to scroll back to there)
[17:56:29] <bpmw_> looks like line of code
[17:57:00] <bpmw_> one sec
[17:57:00] <jmkasunich> you mean like C code? or binary crap?
[17:58:09] <jmkasunich> you should be able to cut and paste from the shell window to the IRC window to show me what happened
[17:59:36] <Jymmm> anyone seen les lately?
[18:00:10] <bpmw_> I Cant scroll back its scrolling forward to fast!
[18:00:40] <jmkasunich> ok, hit control-C
[18:00:58] <bpmw_> ok
[18:01:06] <jmkasunich> did that stop the scrolling?
[18:01:10] <jmkasunich> hi ray
[18:01:15] <bpmw_> yes
[18:01:18] <rayh> Hi John.
[18:01:33] <jmkasunich> ok, something seems fubared on your box
[18:01:35] <bpmw_> }
[18:01:35] <bpmw_> if (!accept_local_port_cms(_local_port->cms)) {
[18:01:36] <bpmw_> rcs_print_error
[18:01:36] <bpmw_> ("CMS_SERVER: Attempt to add local port failed because the port was of an incompatible type.\n");
[18:01:37] <bpmw_> }
[18:01:37] <bpmw_> char *passwd_eq = strstr(_local_port->cms->BufferLine, "passwd=");
[18:01:38] <bpmw_> if (NULL != passwd_eq) {
[18:01:40] <bpmw_> if (!using_passwd_file) {
[18:01:42] <bpmw_> memset(passwd_file, 0, 256);
[18:01:44] <bpmw_> for (int i = 0; i < 256 && passwd_eq[i + 7]; i++) {
[18:01:46] <bpmw_> if (passwd_eq[i + 7] == ' ' || passwd_eq[i + 7] == '\t'
[18:01:48] <bpmw_> || passwd_eq[i + 7] == '\n' || passwd_eq[i + 7] == '\r') {
[18:01:49] <jmkasunich> ok
[18:01:50] <bpmw_> break;
[18:01:59] <bpmw_> Thatwere itwas at a few sec ago
[18:02:06] <jmkasunich> that looks like source code
[18:02:15] <jmkasunich> oh....
[18:02:31] <jmkasunich> how exactly did you get emc2 on this computer?
[18:02:38] <bpmw_> cvs
[18:02:46] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich thinks he knows what is going on
[18:03:20] <jmkasunich> did you connect this computer to the net and do the cvs, or did you get it with another computer and copy to this one?
[18:03:46] <bpmw_> I just saw I used -dp insted of -dP
[18:03:57] <jmkasunich> stand by
[18:04:53] <jmkasunich> yep, that's the problem... big P means prune eempty directorys, little P says send all the code that you download to the screen instead of to disk
[18:04:58] <jmkasunich> try again with big P
[18:05:15] <bpmw_> ok sorry about that!
[18:05:59] <bpmw_> That looks much better:)
[18:06:27] <jmkasunich> good... let me know when it's done
[18:06:47] <bpmw_> Ok, Thanks!
[18:07:37] <bpmw_> Ok, Its done
[18:07:44] <jmkasunich> ok, do "cd src"
[18:07:56] <jmkasunich> then "./configure --with-make-quiet"
[18:08:03] <jmkasunich> that will take 30 seconds or so
[18:08:27] <bpmw_> ok, one sec
[18:08:40] <jmkasunich> hey ray, you there?
[18:10:18] <rayh> Yep for a few.
[18:10:34] <bpmw_> do I type in./configure just as you have above?
[18:10:42] <jmkasunich> do you know who "yabo sukz" is?
[18:10:54] <jmkasunich> yes, exactly as I typed, without the quotes
[18:11:02] <bpmw_> ok.
[18:11:17] <rayh> Not a clue? Where'dja come across him/her?
[18:11:41] <jmkasunich> dunno, but he/she just showed up and started fixing bugs
[18:11:53] <jmkasunich> several commits this week
[18:12:39] <jmkasunich> somebody had to give him commit rights, gues it wasn't you or me
[18:13:05] <jmkasunich> a new developer is a good thing, I'm just curious
[18:13:23] <jmkasunich> is that an alias for somebody we know, or what?
[18:13:44] <bpmw_> Ok John it finished should i try to start emc?
[18:13:51] <jmkasunich> not yet
[18:13:55] <jmkasunich> next step "make"
[18:14:10] <bpmw_> ok
[18:14:24] <jmkasunich> that will take a couple minutes I guess
[18:15:11] <rayh> The only guy I've added of late is Jacjon -- Jack Lambert at retroFest.
[18:16:02] <jmkasunich> maybe this guy is like Zorro... appears out of nowhere, and fights the forces of evil (aka bugs)... mystery coder!
[18:16:56] <jmkasunich> so far his changes haven't been too complex, but they are detailed... he obviously is reading and understanding the code, and finding little things that we've missed
[18:17:40] <rayh> We could use a zorro or two!
[18:17:48] <jmkasunich> yep
[18:18:29] <rayh> Dave figured out most of the sol and signal wires for the mazak head.
[18:18:48] <rayh> Tom P is going down next week to confirm proper operation of em.
[18:18:57] <jmkasunich> cool
[18:18:59] <bpmw_> Ok, Make is done.
[18:19:12] <jmkasunich> ok, now "cd .."
[18:19:22] <jmkasunich> that should leave you back in your emc2 directory
[18:19:39] <bpmw_> done
[18:19:41] <jmkasunich> you probably customized your emc.ini file, right?
[18:19:49] <bpmw_> yes
[18:20:01] <jmkasunich> ok, open it in your favorite text editor
[18:20:14] <bpmw_> done
[18:20:18] <jmkasunich> and search for "<<<<" and ">>>>"
[18:20:38] <jmkasunich> need to make sure there weren't any conflicts between the new stuff from CVS and your changes
[18:21:13] <jmkasunich> hopefully those searches will come up empty
[18:21:17] <Jymmm> I got my machine from k2cnc yesterday; loads of issues
[18:21:33] <bpmw_> I had it open in a text editor the whole time.
[18:21:45] <jmkasunich> during the cvs update?
[18:21:49] <bpmw_> yes
[18:21:55] <jmkasunich> darn
[18:22:09] <jmkasunich> did you make any changes before the ipdate?
[18:22:15] <bpmw_> no
[18:22:15] <jmkasunich> update
[18:22:30] <jmkasunich> good... close the file without saving it (that is the old version)
[18:22:44] <jmkasunich> then re-open it so you'll get the version that cvs just updated
[18:22:59] <bpmw_> ok
[18:23:42] <jmkasunich> do those searches
[18:23:53] <jmkasunich> then search for "HALFILE"
[18:24:51] <bpmw_> This one has <<<<<<1.35 and >>>>>>>1.35
[18:25:02] <jmkasunich> ick
[18:25:05] <jmkasunich> I was afraid of that
[18:25:22] <jmkasunich> your changes conflict with the cvs ones
[18:25:41] <jmkasunich> mail me your ini file and I'll resolve the conflicts (too hard to do by remote control)
[18:26:35] <bpmw_> ok, I did't set up a mail client on this computer yet though
[18:27:06] <bpmw_> can I dom a dcc send?
[18:27:12] <bpmw_> do
[18:27:29] <jmkasunich> you can try... I've never used dcc, but I'm willing to learn
[18:27:42] <bpmw_> me either:)
[18:27:57] <jmkasunich> give it a shot
[18:28:45] <Jymmm> If either of you have firewalls, you may not be able to DCC.
[18:29:31] <jmkasunich> looks like it worked
[18:29:46] <bpmw_> Great!
[18:29:48] <Jymmm> very cool
[18:30:35] <jmkasunich> no idea where on disk it saved the file tho ;-/
[18:30:53] <bpmw_> Hi Jymmm, hows things, Also HI to Ray!
[18:31:08] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: Hello, it's been a while
[18:31:15] <jmkasunich> hi anon
[18:31:29] <Jymmm> Is there such a thing as 'micro warping' of a rail by chance? Or maybe something where with moving by had would feel like little ripples
[18:31:32] <anonimasu> I was a bit curious on how you solved the jogwheel stuff at the retrofest :)
[18:31:35] <Jymmm> hola bpmw_ =)
[18:31:46] <anonimasu> Jymmm: no
[18:32:03] <rayh> Hi bpmw.
[18:32:10] <anonimasu> Jymmm: it should be smooth all the way
[18:32:30] <jmkasunich> ksirc docs suck
[18:32:47] <bpmw_> John ddid you find it?
[18:33:13] <jmkasunich> yeah, just now... it simply dropped it in my home directory without even prompting
[18:33:23] <bpmw_> Hmmmm
[18:33:50] <Jymmm> anonimasu : The X axis isn't. I can feel mini ones then near each end I feel 'speed bumps' and about 6" apart which just happens to be the same distance as the mounting screws (but nothgin is hitting the HEADS of the screws (confirmed).
[18:35:41] <jmkasunich> bpmw_: file on the way
[18:35:53] <bpmw_> ok.
[18:36:33] <jmkasunich> well that wasn't good
[18:36:49] <jmkasunich> I sent it DCC
[18:37:38] <bpmw> sorry wrong button
[18:37:39] <jmkasunich> bpmw: I sent it DCC
[18:37:53] <jmkasunich> should I resend?
[18:37:55] <bpmw> i'll look for it now!
[18:38:02] <bpmw> one sec.
[18:38:29] <anonimasu> Jymmm: have they been hitting the rails`?
[18:38:34] <jmkasunich> resending... I think you have to go to the dcc tab and click connect or something like that
[18:39:06] <anonimasu> Jymmm: maybe it's a bit wrapped from the screw holes..
[18:39:15] <anonimasu> Jymmm: might be if the rails are cold rolled..
[18:41:54] <bpmw> not sure were it was put still looking!
[18:42:19] <jmkasunich> it didn't put it anywhere yet
[18:42:30] <jmkasunich> on my side it says "sent offer"
[18:42:37] <jmkasunich> I think you have to "accept" the offer
[18:42:50] <bpmw> ok
[18:42:50] <jmkasunich> then it will actually send the file
[18:43:02] <jmkasunich> do you have a dcc tab open on your irc client?
[18:43:12] <jmkasunich> on mine it opened automatically when you sent me the file
[18:43:33] <bpmw> yes its open
[18:43:52] <alex_joni> greetings
[18:43:57] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Yeah, I can't tell. If it's any indication, there seems to be a 'spiral pattern' the whole length of the rail. Like what you might see if you wrapped 1/2" tape all the way around it (so to speak). When I run my figure along the surface it seems smooth.
[18:44:01] <Jymmm> hi alex_joni
[18:44:29] <rayh> Hi Alex
[18:44:36] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[18:44:40] <alex_joni> long time no see ;)
[18:44:47] <rayh> Been a while.
[18:45:01] <alex_joni> right
[18:45:03] <Jymmm> anonimasu : err like what you would see if you wrapped gofl club handles I mean.
[18:45:07] <alex_joni> seen you mazak post
[18:45:29] <alex_joni> I think you did a lot given the time you had
[18:45:32] <bpmw> John . dcc says status "error"
[18:45:46] <anonimasu> Jymmm: no clue then
[18:45:48] <jmkasunich> ok, I'll try sending again
[18:45:52] <alex_joni> hey John
[18:45:57] <bpmw> thanks
[18:46:07] <anonimasu> it's not like that will matter too much while it's running
[18:46:30] <anonimasu> your steppers should go their steps regardless of it :)
[18:46:58] <rayh> Yes we really did test out much of the HAL and emc for a bigger machine.
[18:47:52] <alex_joni> cool
[18:48:03] <alex_joni> I just got me a working BDI on my laptop
[18:48:18] <alex_joni> that means that this week (still vacation) I'll be able to work on emc
[18:48:21] <Jymmm> anonimasu : I re-adjusted the Y axis, I dont have any of this bumpiness, just in the X.
[18:48:42] <anonimasu> ok
[18:48:57] <bpmw> Hmmm, not sure whats going on John.
[18:49:12] <Jymmm> Oh man, AJ is on 'Inside the Actors Stuido' =)
[18:49:15] <jmkasunich> bpmw: is there anything like "got offer" on your dcc tab?
[18:49:32] <rayh> alex_joni: Sometime, not now, we need to talk about the work you did to make HAL go with EMC
[18:50:02] <bpmw> There was now says status error, don't know how to accept file!
[18:50:04] <alex_joni> rayh: whenever you feel like it
[18:50:13] <alex_joni> right now I'm preparing a bbq
[18:50:20] <alex_joni> but later on I'll be happy to do that
[18:50:24] <jmkasunich> click on that line, then click the disconnect button, see of the line goes away
[18:50:36] <bpmw> ok
[18:50:46] <rayh> Okay.
[18:51:14] <bpmw> John, now says Chat, Get, Send.
[18:51:38] <jmkasunich> ok, I'm gonna retry again, you should get a line under get
[18:51:58] <jmkasunich> anything happen?
[18:52:05] <bpmw> ok say got offer
[18:52:16] <jmkasunich> click on that line, then click connect
[18:52:21] <bpmw> ok
[18:52:50] <bpmw> came up error when i did that
[18:52:57] <jmkasunich> damn
[18:53:05] <bpmw> maybe i took to long?
[18:53:13] <jmkasunich> I wonder why it worked going the other way
[18:53:16] <jmkasunich> don't think so
[18:53:21] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: try emailing
[18:53:29] <alex_joni> it always is less of a hassle
[18:53:37] <bpmw> try once more ill hit connect right away
[18:53:50] <Jymmm> bpmw do you have a firewall or a router by chance?
[18:53:56] <jmkasunich> usually is, in this case he doesn't have an email client on this box, would have to sneakernet it from another one
[18:54:07] <Jymmm> webmail?
[18:54:09] <bpmw> not that i'm aware of
[18:54:18] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: he doesn't , but I have NAT
[18:54:27] <Jymmm> jmkasunich via nix?
[18:54:27] <jmkasunich> I was able to get from him tho
[18:54:32] <alex_joni> webmail should work regardless
[18:54:46] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: if you have NAT then probably that's the reason why you can get from him
[18:54:55] <Jymmm> jmkasunich unless you enabled IRC in your NAT, you won't be able to
[18:55:01] <jmkasunich> my NAT is a little black box (netgear)
[18:55:23] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Yeah, none of those have it enabled (that I have seen to date)
[18:55:24] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: try sending to me
[18:55:29] <alex_joni> I'll relay if it works
[18:55:33] <jmkasunich> I can chat (obviously) and get, but not send I guess (or actually, I can send, but his acceptance of my offer isn't getting in at my end)
[18:55:58] <jmkasunich> ok alex, offer sent
[18:56:05] <alex_joni> accepted
[18:56:21] <alex_joni> it said unable to connect
[18:56:25] <jmkasunich> nothing happening on this end... bet its my NAT
[18:56:26] <alex_joni> mail me the ini
[18:56:28] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Well, specifically it's DCC/CTCP, As when you send a file you are telling bpmw where the file is and then he grabs it from your machine, but the nat isn't opening the port for him yto grab it.
[18:56:41] <jmkasunich> ok, that makes sense
[18:56:55] <rayh> catch you all later.
[18:57:00] <jmkasunich> bye ray
[18:57:04] <bpmw> Bye RAy
[18:57:11] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: mail me the ini, and I'll dcc it to bpmw
[18:57:12] <jmkasunich> bpmw: I will email to you...
[18:57:25] <jmkasunich> ok, emailing to bpmw and alex both ;-)
[18:57:48] <bpmw> ok, i'll try and set up e-mail client
[18:58:04] <jmkasunich> bpmw: you have web browsing on that box, right?
[18:58:12] <jmkasunich> set up a free yahoo mail account
[18:58:23] <jmkasunich> that way you can access your mail from anywhere with a browser
[18:58:34] <Jymmm> Gawd... You take a ss 1/2"-10 acme threaded rod, turn down the ends, thread it, then take the tip to a grinder to make a flat (D) and screw it up!
[18:58:38] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: going to check the bbq, back in a bit
[18:58:42] <Jymmm> gmail acnt would be better
[18:58:45] <Jymmm> 1gb
[18:58:57] <alex_joni> Jymmm: thought it was 2GB nowadays?
[18:59:03] <alex_joni> but yahoo is about 300 MB or so
[18:59:08] <alex_joni> so it shouldn't matter
[18:59:10] <Jymmm> ya 2gb I mean
[18:59:25] <jmkasunich> oops, accidently sent msssage without attachment :-(
[18:59:38] <Jymmm> jmkasunich dont ya hate it when that happeens =)
[19:00:21] <Jymmm> alex_joni gmail is great for storing photos is why I suggested it
[19:00:26] <jmkasunich> on the way
[19:00:53] <jmkasunich> I've heard things about gmail and privacy that turned me off
[19:01:22] <jmkasunich> I have a yahoo account for odds and ends, and my main ISP also offers webmail access to my main email address
[19:01:30] <Jymmm> jmkasunich : If you think about it, they are the only ones that are honest about it, even though they all do it.
[19:01:44] <jmkasunich> I send things from doze box to linux by mailing them to myself with webmail ;-)
[19:01:46] <bpmw> Ok john got your e-mail:)
[19:04:06] <bpmw> Ok I overwrote old ini file
[19:05:14] <jmkasunich> alright...
[19:05:26] <bpmw> I'll try and start emc now
[19:05:28] <jmkasunich> go to the emc2 directlry
[19:05:37] <jmkasunich> "sudo scripts/emc.run"
[19:07:12] <bpmw> Great it started
[19:07:53] <bpmw> will try to turn stepper!
[19:10:10] <bpmw> Fan Freaking Tastic stepper turned all the way up to feed of 20
[19:12:18] <bpmw> Well John, The gecko drives certainly made a big difference, worth every pennie of the 500usd i spent.
[19:12:35] <jmkasunich> they're nice drives
[19:12:49] <bpmw> I got the G210's
[19:13:42] <jmkasunich> good choice, you can adjust the pulse multipler for best tradeoff of speed and resolution
[19:14:30] <bpmw> so to change directions i just enable the halcmd to -invert TRUE.
[19:15:04] <jmkasunich> invert whichever parport pin has the direction signal on it
[19:15:17] <bpmw> I have set up for 5 micro steps and spun just fine
[19:15:27] <jmkasunich> (or you could change input scale and output scale in the ini file, make them negative)
[19:15:38] <bpmw> ok
[19:17:25] <bpmw> Thanks again for all your HELP, I will send you some pics when everything else is re-mounted, You have been extreamly helpful and patient and I really appreciate it.
[19:18:08] <jmkasunich> you're welcome
[19:19:05] <bpmw> Take care. Now have lots of work to do, Bye for now
[19:19:13] <jmkasunich> bye
[19:34:28] <Jymmm> What is the best way to tell if a leadscrew is bent/bowed/misaligned ?
[19:37:14] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Roll it across a piece of plate glass or aim a laser down the length of it and spin it?
[19:37:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm has laser! will give that a shot
[19:37:57] <Jymmm> how ya doin Phydbleep?
[19:38:19] <Phydbleep> Allergic.
[19:38:30] <Jymmm> cootnwood trees?
[19:38:34] <Jymmm> cottonwood
[19:38:48] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has spent the last 3 days miserable and sneezing...
[19:38:54] <Phydbleep> Juniper I think..
[19:39:11] <Jymmm> My gf has allergies too... cottonwood trees just kill her instantly
[19:39:23] <anonimasu> ice
[19:39:27] <anonimasu> err nice
[19:39:44] <Jymmm> I can't take her tothe HW store as they have shitloads of cottonwood trees planted all around that area.
[19:39:48] <anonimasu> ^_^
[19:39:57] <anonimasu> just kidding, it's horrid
[19:39:57] <anonimasu> :/
[19:40:11] <Jymmm> anonimasu "Oh, did you say something?"
[19:40:21] <anonimasu> :p
[19:40:24] <Jymmm> =)
[19:40:27] <anonimasu> * anonimasu just got back from washing the car
[19:40:35] <anonimasu> although I was lazy and went to carwash..
[19:40:51] <Jymmm> * Jymmm looks out the window... Hey you missed a spot
[19:41:15] <anonimasu> haha, there's a cruise meet over here.. nearby due to the dragracing
[19:41:39] <anonimasu> going to meet up with some friends and take a drive there..
[19:42:19] <anonimasu> :)
[19:42:23] <Jymmm> have fun!
[19:42:55] <anonimasu> maybe watch some streetracing somwhere in the woosd..
[19:43:01] <anonimasu> woods..
[19:43:17] <anonimasu> it usually ends up that way :)
[19:43:25] <Jymmm> lol
[19:43:49] <Jymmm> "STREET racing in the WOODS" Um, what doesn't sound right about that?!
[19:44:02] <alex_joni> like woodracing on the streets ;)
[19:44:11] <anonimasu> oh, somwhere out of the town.. :)
[19:44:19] <Jymmm> lol
[19:53:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[19:54:05] <Jymmm> http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm
[19:54:37] <robin_sz> MEEP!
[19:54:42] <Jymmm> wb alex_joni / robin_sz
[19:54:51] <anonimasu> wb..
[19:55:00] <alex_joni> ty
[19:55:15] <anonimasu> Jymmm: that dosent look nice
[19:55:24] <anonimasu> angle grinder?
[19:55:39] <Jymmm> they turned down and threaded a SS acme threaded rod, then hit it with a grinder like that.
[19:55:49] <Jymmm> I'm assuming it's a grinder
[19:55:54] <anonimasu> hm, ok
[19:56:07] <robin_sz> oh, todays fun is putting ends on acme and ballscrews huh?
[19:56:13] <Jymmm> looks like a hand grinder with that big gouch in it
[19:56:29] <anonimasu> hm, crimped on a end on my ballscrews..
[19:56:35] <Jymmm> robin_sz http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm
[19:56:45] <anonimasu> then I turned the end down to match my bearings..
[19:56:45] <robin_sz> I made holders and brazed em on :)
[19:57:04] <robin_sz> tried the turning thing before ... horrible and painful
[19:57:07] <anonimasu> yep..
[19:57:11] <anonimasu> too small lathe ;)
[19:57:20] <anonimasu> my lathe almost died cutting through the case hardening
[19:57:21] <robin_sz> only way to turn em I found was to anneal them first
[19:57:29] <anonimasu> * anonimasu took a deep cut..
[19:57:35] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:57:38] <anonimasu> my whole lathe bent..
[19:57:38] <anonimasu> :)
[19:57:42] <robin_sz> wow
[19:57:48] <anonimasu> crap mini lathe.
[19:57:49] <Jymmm> See, what REALLY bugs me about that, is they went thru all the trouble of slapping it on a lather to turn down and thread the shaft, how much more would it have been to toss it on a mill
[19:57:58] <robin_sz> well
[19:58:09] <anonimasu> robin_sz: atleast I got the hardening away ;)
[19:58:25] <robin_sz> miloing it would be the least favoured option
[19:58:29] <robin_sz> milling
[19:58:35] <robin_sz> no .. thats not true
[19:58:39] <anonimasu> yeah but milling the flat..
[19:58:53] <robin_sz> milling a flat, sure
[19:58:59] <Jymmm> one lil sweep of the mill... even I could do that
[19:59:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni bought a nice camerea
[19:59:04] <alex_joni> camera even
[19:59:16] <alex_joni> a Minolta X-300
[19:59:27] <anonimasu> nice
[19:59:32] <anonimasu> I need to go
[19:59:35] <alex_joni> yeah.. pretty nice
[19:59:40] <Jymmm> alex_joni one chance only... wanna trade?
[19:59:52] <robin_sz> Jymmm is there something special about mills that make them react differently to case hardnened hight tensile steel than lathes?
[20:00:02] <Jymmm> robin_sz it's just SS
[20:00:21] <robin_sz> alex_joni: I now have acces to the correct gear for the task, so its not a problem any more
[20:00:22] <Jymmm> 1/2"-10 acme
[20:00:50] <alex_joni> robin_sz: what task?
[20:00:51] <anonimasu> robin_sz: oh, mills are usually less rigid ;)
[20:01:08] <robin_sz> alex_joni: a freind has a nice grinding setup .. easy in that
[20:01:17] <alex_joni> I see
[20:01:18] <Jymmm> I really need to find out why I have 'speed bumbs' when I move the X axis by hand
[20:01:20] <anonimasu> going to the cruise meet
[20:01:25] <robin_sz> 'k
[20:01:29] <anonimasu> enjoy the night everyone
[20:01:35] <Jymmm> cya anonimasu
[20:01:36] <robin_sz> * robin_sz waves
[20:01:40] <robin_sz> waves
[20:01:40] <anonimasu> * anonimasu waves back
[20:01:46] <robin_sz> cruise meet get it?
[20:01:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni waves too
[20:02:44] <alex_joni> night anders
[20:05:36] <Jymmm> reload --> http://photos.yahoo.com/jymmm
[20:06:21] <Jymmm> btw... are these images turning out too dark?
[20:15:17] <alex_joni> Jymmm: photos look ok
[20:16:24] <Jymmm> alex_joni thanks
[20:17:03] <Jymmm> you see that bearing block? it's 1" sq but they cut a slot leaving only 1/4" of 6061
[20:17:32] <alex_joni> heh
[20:17:49] <Jymmm> it's for tension, but only 1/4"?!
[20:18:05] <Jymmm> 6061 isn't THAT hard
[20:18:27] <Jymmm> He's willing to remill it, but I'm not sure what thickness
[20:18:32] <Jymmm> I should ask for
[20:26:50] <A-L-P-H-A> how's the complete assembly go?
[20:30:15] <Jymmm> ?
[20:39:28] <A-L-P-H-A> bearing slide assemblies.
[20:39:33] <A-L-P-H-A> how are they mounted.
[20:39:36] <A-L-P-H-A> the profile, etc.
[20:40:05] <robin_sz> that slot is to allow a bit of "spring" ?
[20:40:52] <robin_sz> I did similar things once ..
[20:40:54] <Jymmm> robin_sz Right, that I know... but to cut down to only 1/4" is the problem I have
[20:41:04] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I told you the other day
[20:41:06] <robin_sz> looks like it will snap
[20:41:18] <robin_sz> so .. the way I did it ..
[20:41:27] <robin_sz> was to use "cam follower" bearings
[20:41:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm? you did?
[20:41:35] <robin_sz> one normal,
[20:41:40] <robin_sz> one eccentric
[20:41:46] <A-L-P-H-A> that's what most use.
[20:41:53] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, that's what most use.
[20:41:53] <robin_sz> then you get to adjust to fit the rail
[20:41:54] <Jymmm> never heard of them
[20:42:11] <robin_sz> well, they are pretty common
[20:42:11] <A-L-P-H-A> like a have 6 bearings, 3 pairs... one pair having eccentri bearings.
[20:42:37] <Jymmm> well, they didn't know what angular thrust bearings were, so....
[20:42:56] <robin_sz> and the outer race is rated to take a contact load, unlike normal bearings
[20:43:36] <A-L-P-H-A> like this. http://members.shaw.ca/axxus/y_assem.jpg
[20:43:40] <robin_sz> anyway .. I used to use them .. but not any more. found a cheaper way
[20:43:44] <Jymmm> I just wish I could figure out why the x axis isn't smooth when moved by hand
[20:43:57] <Jacky^> evening :)
[20:44:02] <robin_sz> eveny
[20:44:14] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, willing to share you cheaper way of making linear bearings?
[20:44:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm thinking of even just going igus plastic / teflon stuff.
[20:44:40] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: sure ...
[20:44:57] <robin_sz> now I use something called "linear rail" and "carriages"
[20:45:04] <A-L-P-H-A> that
[20:45:07] <A-L-P-H-A> 's cheaper?
[20:45:08] <alex_joni> robin_sz: heh ;)
[20:45:10] <robin_sz> yes
[20:45:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I would hjave thoguth it is more expenive
[20:45:20] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: cheaper on the long run
[20:45:26] <A-L-P-H-A> how so?
[20:45:37] <robin_sz> I count my time at �10/hour minimum
[20:45:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess, it'sjust bolt up... and no machining.
[20:45:45] <robin_sz> yes
[20:45:46] <alex_joni> no customers calling ;)
[20:45:50] <robin_sz> exactly
[20:45:53] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.
[20:45:55] <A-L-P-H-A> true.
[20:46:19] <robin_sz> works out about half the price of what i used to do with silly homemade carriages
[20:46:19] <A-L-P-H-A> http://members.shaw.ca/axxus/y_assem.jpg <-- this is how that other guy did it.
[20:46:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it works.
[20:46:29] <A-L-P-H-A> but it's just time consuming to make it.
[20:46:49] <robin_sz> wow ...
[20:47:04] <robin_sz> yeah, must have cost HUNDREDS of dollars ...
[20:47:14] <robin_sz> 600 minimum
[20:47:44] <robin_sz> 20 hours machining?
[20:48:07] <robin_sz> 2 good days of messign aorund to make that for sure
[20:48:11] <alex_joni> I wonder who machines the guide
[20:48:28] <robin_sz> well, yeah
[20:48:31] <alex_joni> say a 2-3m long one :(
[20:48:47] <robin_sz> thats roughly how my first CNC was .. 25mm unsupported rail
[20:48:58] <jmkasunich> bendy
[20:49:02] <robin_sz> 1.2 by 1.2m
[20:49:04] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:49:07] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[20:49:10] <A-L-P-H-A> that's what I'm thinking.
[20:49:13] <A-L-P-H-A> there's no support.
[20:49:17] <robin_sz> 3.5mm bendy under no load in the middle
[20:49:18] <A-L-P-H-A> bendy whobbly thing.
[20:49:24] <A-L-P-H-A> eeek
[20:49:43] <Jacky^> gulp !
[20:49:50] <robin_sz> supported rail, or linear rail ar the thing
[20:50:16] <alex_joni> nah.. suspended wires are the future :D
[20:50:26] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... I think the longest things I have cheap access to is 2m.
[20:50:26] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: 15mm x 1.5m linear rail from Hywin, 88 pounds
[20:50:35] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: carriages �20 each
[20:51:02] <A-L-P-H-A> $540CDN just in rails.
[20:51:05] <A-L-P-H-A> eek
[20:51:16] <A-L-P-H-A> speculating at 1lb = 2.5cdn.
[20:51:27] <A-L-P-H-A> that's even for only 1 axis.
[20:51:27] <robin_sz> 1lb?
[20:51:32] <A-L-P-H-A> lbs.
[20:51:38] <robin_sz> unit of weight?
[20:51:40] <alex_joni> silly half kilos
[20:51:49] <robin_sz> oh GBP ...
[20:51:50] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/Detail.asp?PartNum=01-668-486
[20:51:52] <A-L-P-H-A> pound sterling?
[20:51:54] <robin_sz> thats not lbs
[20:52:02] <alex_joni> 1 quid
[20:52:06] <robin_sz> lbs is pounds weight
[20:52:16] <A-L-P-H-A> those squiggly units of measurements.
[20:52:18] <robin_sz> GBP or � is sterling
[20:52:28] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I type that symbol?
[20:52:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I can get �
[20:52:37] <A-L-P-H-A> alt-0128
[20:52:42] <robin_sz> I press the � key :)
[20:52:46] <robin_sz> shift 3
[20:52:54] <A-L-P-H-A> that's numbersign for me. #
[20:53:05] <alex_joni> � for me ;)
[20:53:08] <A-L-P-H-A> where's your # sing?
[20:53:09] <robin_sz> yeah,
[20:53:10] <A-L-P-H-A> sign
[20:53:20] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the double S thing?
[20:53:21] <alex_joni>
[20:53:28] <A-L-P-H-A> � <-- euro
[20:53:29] <alex_joni> that's shift-3
[20:53:35] <A-L-P-H-A> # <- shift 3
[20:53:37] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: yeah
[20:53:41] <jmkasunich> short ones: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/Detail.asp?PartNum=13-106-444
[20:53:45] <robin_sz> for some reason, because the US keymap used with a UK keyboard gives # for � ... usians tink # is the symbol for sterling
[20:53:47] <alex_joni> � <- shift-3
[20:54:12] <A-L-P-H-A> tink? tank? think?
[20:54:21] <robin_sz> anyway
[20:54:25] <alex_joni> usians don't think
[20:54:29] <alex_joni> they might tank
[20:54:32] <robin_sz> Hywin rail is as cheap as it comes
[20:54:50] <robin_sz> and FAR superior to bendy unsupported rail
[20:54:53] <A-L-P-H-A> for ball bearings. yes. frellon stuff, no.
[20:55:03] <robin_sz> IGUS for placky stuff
[20:55:08] <A-L-P-H-A> placky?
[20:55:12] <robin_sz> plastic
[20:55:16] <A-L-P-H-A> steak english. :)
[20:55:21] <robin_sz> ticky tacky placky
[20:55:26] <A-L-P-H-A> use, IGUS is placky.
[20:55:31] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it!
[20:55:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I just used that word.
[20:55:39] <A-L-P-H-A> use=yes
[20:55:45] <A-L-P-H-A> igus is plastic.
[20:55:56] <alex_joni> IGUS is placky ;)
[20:55:58] <alex_joni> :P
[20:56:02] <A-L-P-H-A> pacific also has some plastic stuff.
[20:56:08] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid brits... always making up words.
[20:56:17] <A-L-P-H-A> oh! robin_sz.
[20:56:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I was looking for you earlier this week.
[20:56:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I was talking to Mariss... (long distance, and he likes to talk).
[20:56:39] <A-L-P-H-A> anyways.
[20:56:47] <A-L-P-H-A> if I get the g200x/g101 board.
[20:56:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll also need to get a rabbit programmer, and a rabbit core right?
[20:57:41] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz?
[20:57:54] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A wonders if he's talking to him self, again.
[20:58:32] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: only if you want to change the code inside the G200x/G101
[20:58:44] <Jymmm> I think only if you plan on doing development, otherwise you should be able to have soem utility to download
[20:58:51] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, you mean the FPGA? it right now, doesn't come with anything on it.
[20:59:00] <alex_joni> bummer that ;)
[20:59:18] <A-L-P-H-A> The default code on the board is...
[20:59:19] <alex_joni> the first ones were with a rabbit
[20:59:25] <alex_joni> but now it comes with a FPGA iirc
[20:59:31] <A-L-P-H-A> it takes gerber code, and moves axis X and Y.
[20:59:32] <A-L-P-H-A> that's it.
[20:59:39] <A-L-P-H-A> no Z, or anything else.
[20:59:51] <A-L-P-H-A> yes. with an FPGA.
[21:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> so, if I want to use it with my CNC mill, which has 3 axis, and 3 limit switches, and 3 home switches. What do I need to get?
[21:00:30] <alex_joni> time
[21:00:50] <A-L-P-H-A> btw, it has a pinout for use with an rabbit core... 36xx series and 37xx rabbit cores.
[21:01:21] <A-L-P-H-A> the dev board is gonna cost like 1/2... as my neightbour will get one as well... which will lower my cost.
[21:19:35] <Jacky^> umpf
[21:19:45] <alex_joni> hey Jacky^
[21:19:56] <Jacky^> hey alex_joni
[21:20:11] <Jacky^> i'm fighting with windows :\
[21:20:25] <alex_joni> a battle you'll never win
[21:20:30] <alex_joni> :D
[21:20:33] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ sigh
[21:21:58] <Jacky^> I'm tryng to run a 3D cad under Linux using qemu ..
[21:22:18] <Jacky^> 4 mb video mem
[21:22:27] <Jacky^> O_O
[21:22:45] <Jacky^> kqemu won't compile, and maybe can't do better
[21:23:07] <Jacky^> last chache, vmware, after this.. i will buy another pc
[21:23:22] <Jacky^> can't live without the penguin :(
[21:23:55] <alex_joni> lol
[21:24:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is getting a lot of rain right now
[21:24:00] <Jacky^> :)
[21:24:02] <alex_joni> :(
[21:24:14] <Jacky^> also in Nort Italy..
[21:24:21] <jmkasunich> raining on the BBQ?
[21:24:25] <Jacky^> but not here
[21:24:41] <alex_joni> the bbq is gone
[21:24:42] <Jacky^> yet..
[21:24:46] <alex_joni> eaten a while ago ;)
[21:39:23] <robin_sz> hello again
[21:39:35] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: you still around?
[21:40:40] <robin_sz> dang ... hes gorn
[21:44:09] <A-L-P-H-A> back again now.
[21:44:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I was making some food.
[22:11:57] <robin_z> bah ... back
[22:13:41] <alex_joni> [23:56] <robin_sz> dang ... hes gorn
[22:13:42] <alex_joni> [00:00] <A-L-P-H-A> back again now.
[22:13:42] <alex_joni> [00:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I was making some food.
[22:19:37] <A-L-P-H-A> hey
[23:03:51] <alex_joni> later guys
[23:07:27] <Jymmm> jmkasunich : no silly, it's raining IN the bbq. It has it's own microcliament.