#emc | Logs for 2005-06-30

[11:44:31] <anonimasu> wb jacky
[12:04:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is bored
[12:04:27] <ValarQ> alex_joni: :(
[12:04:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is too
[12:04:49] <anonimasu> I still havent gotten this crap working
[12:04:56] <alex_joni> ask ValarQ
[12:05:07] <anonimasu> I would rather shove a unix manual down my throat, then mess with this.
[12:05:11] <alex_joni> he's the crapmaster
[12:05:26] <anonimasu> I am afraid this kind of crap is too crappy
[12:05:37] <anonimasu> AH!
[12:05:39] <anonimasu> got it to work now
[12:05:40] <anonimasu> :D
[12:05:53] <anonimasu> I have no idea how I broke it though
[12:06:20] <ValarQ> anonimasu: what?!? i'm a master att crap applications
[12:06:36] <ValarQ> nothing is to crappy ;D
[12:06:50] <anonimasu> haha
[12:07:00] <anonimasu> what'
[12:07:01] <anonimasu> what'
[12:07:03] <anonimasu> err
[12:07:07] <anonimasu> what's wrong with this crap: hej:=(mem1.GetDataPtr())$^sak;
[12:07:36] <ValarQ> it looks weird, thats whats wrong
[12:07:46] <anonimasu> haha ^_^
[12:07:48] <ValarQ> implement it in FORTRAN instead
[12:07:55] <anonimasu> I dont know fortan?
[12:07:58] <anonimasu> err
[12:08:02] <ValarQ> then use lisp ;)
[12:08:07] <alex_joni> what's $^sak ?
[12:08:09] <anonimasu> I dont lisp..
[12:08:16] <ValarQ> anonimasu: haskell then...
[12:08:17] <anonimasu> it'a a pointer to sak(thing)
[12:08:34] <alex_joni> ADA?
[12:08:34] <anonimasu> err it's a typecasting to sak ;)
[12:08:42] <ValarQ> anonimasu: ah, maybe it should be pryl
[12:08:49] <anonimasu> yeah that might help
[12:08:51] <anonimasu> or thingamabob
[12:08:51] <ValarQ> anonimasu: or grej
[12:09:03] <anonimasu> hah
[12:09:28] <ValarQ> anonimasu: what language is that?
[12:09:35] <anonimasu> somehting you program plc's with
[12:09:45] <anonimasu> it's called lasal
[12:09:48] <anonimasu> www.sigmatek.at
[12:09:50] <ValarQ> anonimasu: :/
[12:09:59] <anonimasu> good language very c-ish
[12:10:36] <anonimasu> but I dont get why this is fscking with me
[12:10:48] <anonimasu> �#!"
[12:11:01] <ValarQ> teehee
[12:11:16] <anonimasu> nope. it simply does not allocate memory
[12:11:26] <ValarQ> use brk(2) instead ;)
[12:11:59] <anonimasu> brk(2)
[12:12:00] <anonimasu> heh
[12:12:07] <anonimasu> never heard about it
[12:12:11] <anonimasu> crap(tm)
[12:12:12] <anonimasu> ?
[12:13:01] <ValarQ> nah, "brk, sbrk - change data segment size" -- brk(2) Linux Programmer's Manual
[12:13:21] <anonimasu> oh, I am not getting a pointer to any memory space..
[12:13:31] <anonimasu> it seems like it's a OS bug.
[12:13:38] <anonimasu> yep.-
[12:13:44] <anonimasu> works with another plc with a older os version
[12:19:55] <anonimasu> ValarQ: my code works perfectly..
[12:21:10] <anonimasu> *cries*
[12:22:02] <ValarQ> :)
[12:22:35] <alex_joni> wimp
[12:39:38] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:39:46] <anonimasu> I was in contact with the support people over here..
[12:39:48] <anonimasu> they didnt know anything..
[12:39:54] <anonimasu> going to contact the manufacturer instead
[12:47:29] <anonimasu> bbl going to go to customer now
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[14:59:23] <james> james is now known as jacky^
[15:01:20] <Jacky^> hi
[15:03:37] <alex_joni> hello
[15:03:43] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[15:05:55] <alex_joni> heh... hang on 2 mins
[15:06:04] <alex_joni> have a brand new video of my toy ;)
[15:09:43] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/
[15:09:44] <cradek> I want to see it!
[15:09:54] <alex_joni> cradek: especially for you ;)
[15:10:06] <alex_joni> lemme know what you think :D
[15:11:32] <alex_joni> does it work?
[15:11:45] <alex_joni> the mpg I mean...
[15:12:36] <cradek> yes!
[15:12:39] <cradek> does it really sound like that?
[15:13:06] <alex_joni> not that loud
[15:13:22] <alex_joni> the cam is not that ok ;)
[15:13:27] <alex_joni> it's great for pictures
[15:13:31] <alex_joni> but sux at video
[15:13:44] <cradek> that's very neat
[15:13:49] <cradek> can it move in Z?
[15:13:54] <alex_joni> yeah
[15:14:01] <alex_joni> but it behaves better in Z=0
[15:14:06] <alex_joni> because it has almost no weight
[15:14:14] <alex_joni> so if I move Z-
[15:14:23] <cradek> I think the sound is wrong. It sounds like a crazy high-pitched noise that doesn't change with the motion
[15:14:24] <alex_joni> it will get kinda out of shape
[15:14:30] <alex_joni> might be
[15:14:35] <alex_joni> turn the sound off
[15:14:41] <alex_joni> it sounds pretty sweet actually
[15:14:46] <alex_joni> lemme try another shot
[15:15:12] <Jacky^> alex_joni: what is that ?
[15:15:27] <cradek> AF_pre: af format: 2 bps, 2 ch, 44100 hz, little endian signed int
[15:15:27] <cradek> AF_pre: 44100Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
[15:15:27] <cradek> AO: [oss] 44100Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (2 bps)
[15:15:40] <cradek> yeah it sounds wrong... my player must be incompatible
[15:16:20] <Jacky^> no sound too for me
[15:16:42] <alex_joni> probably a buggy encoding codec on the cam
[15:18:45] <alex_joni> but it moves very nicely ;)
[15:18:52] <alex_joni> I'm pretty happy with how it moves
[15:19:02] <cradek> yes, it looks great, especially the arcs
[15:19:04] <Jacky^> alex_joni: magnetism experiment '
[15:19:04] <alex_joni> didn't mess with accel/feedrates a lot yet
[15:19:06] <Jacky^> ?
[15:19:12] <alex_joni> Jacky^: nah
[15:19:28] <alex_joni> uploaded another video
[15:19:31] <alex_joni> sound still sux
[15:19:33] <cradek> you should check in your kins changes (maybe on a branch?) so the rest of us can understand how to do it
[15:19:50] <alex_joni> I could.. but is there anyone interested in it?
[15:20:15] <cradek> I have a robotic arm that I've considered doing
[15:20:23] <alex_joni> heh.. sure then
[15:20:24] <cradek> it would be great if it could be controlled in X,Y with gcode
[15:20:34] <alex_joni> there are still a few things that still suck with kins
[15:20:39] <alex_joni> I filed some bugreports on that
[15:20:43] <cradek> I saw
[15:20:44] <alex_joni> and fixed some myself
[15:20:48] <cradek> homing or something
[15:20:53] <alex_joni> homing stuff
[15:20:59] <alex_joni> and jogging doesn't work
[15:21:11] <alex_joni> because it's teleop jogging
[15:21:17] <alex_joni> but MDI works great ;)
[15:21:29] <alex_joni> anyways.. doing the kins is VERY easy
[15:21:49] <alex_joni> Jacky^: uploaded some pictures too
[15:22:04] <Jacky^> well
[15:22:47] <cradek> how do you express the limits since they do not form a cube?
[15:23:39] <Jacky^> alex_joni: very nice
[15:23:52] <alex_joni> cradek: you have joint limits
[15:24:14] <alex_joni> which get checked before the kins
[15:24:21] <alex_joni> or after the inversekins
[15:24:28] <alex_joni> depending on the dataflow direction
[15:25:09] <cradek> ah
[15:25:46] <alex_joni> I put some more pics there
[15:26:05] <alex_joni> you can see my EMC 'puter ;)
[15:26:20] <cradek> ha, nice
[15:26:25] <cradek> motherboard on an isa card?
[15:26:30] <alex_joni> it's a SBC
[15:26:36] <alex_joni> that's all to it ;)
[15:26:44] <cradek> neat
[15:26:51] <alex_joni> got an HDD hooked up.. but I could use a CF card too
[15:27:04] <alex_joni> ISA is for expansions
[15:27:08] <cradek> brb
[15:34:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[16:33:07] <A-L-P-H-A> what is it?
[16:33:57] <A-L-P-H-A> oh he left.
[16:34:33] <A-L-P-H-A> love firefox with plugings... downTHEMall plugin. :d
[16:34:54] <Jacky^> hehe
[16:35:05] <Jacky^> tried adblock ?
[16:35:14] <A-L-P-H-A> always.
[16:35:18] <Jacky^> :-)
[16:35:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got a SHORT adblock list. :D
[16:35:57] <Jacky^> yeah, ad*ads* *babber..
[16:36:03] <Jacky^> ops banner* :)
[16:36:03] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[16:36:09] <A-L-P-H-A> well, not banner
[16:37:45] <Jacky^> i like to use banner* banners* and also doubleclick*
[16:38:27] <Jacky^> pages are 90 % clean :)
[16:39:36] <A-L-P-H-A> doubleclick can't be blocked for me... ebay usest them in their emails.
[16:39:37] <A-L-P-H-A> :/
[16:40:15] <Jacky^> maybe you can manually specify the website's want allow
[16:40:26] <Jacky^> but I'm not sure..
[16:42:38] <A-L-P-H-A> not yet.
[16:42:43] <A-L-P-H-A> in a soon to come version...
[16:46:21] <Jacky^> I heard something about a whitelist some time ago, but can't remember :\
[16:59:03] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe. http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-06-27&res=l <-- that made me laugh.
[16:59:26] <cradek> I liked that one too
[16:59:36] <cradek> very funny.
[17:15:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't think of anything good to go make to eat. or even good to buy to eat.
[17:16:03] <Jacky^> A-L-P-H-A: pizza and beer :P
[17:16:13] <Jacky^> spaghetti ..
[17:16:47] <Jacky^> i'm also going out for a little of shopping :P
[17:17:10] <Jacky^> come to me this evening for dinner :D
[17:17:41] <Jacky^> later,
[17:17:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I have beer.
[17:17:45] <Jacky^> :)
[17:17:45] <A-L-P-H-A> could walk over to the pizzeria.
[17:17:47] <Jacky^> nice
[17:18:09] <Jacky^> can't you phone on pizzeria ?
[17:18:24] <A-L-P-H-A> excercise.
[17:18:28] <A-L-P-H-A> but, yeah I could call.
[17:18:36] <Jacky^> try :)
[17:18:41] <Jacky^> later.. ciao
[17:18:56] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
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[18:30:20] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[18:34:27] <Jacky^> umpf
[18:34:55] <Jacky^> win2k on qemu-linux won't install SP4
[18:35:08] <Jacky^> I tried 12 times
[18:35:19] <Jacky^> error a the end of installation
[18:35:24] <Jacky^> ghghghgh
[18:47:52] <Jacky^> A-L-P-H-A: ready for pizza party ? :P
[18:48:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I already had 1/3rd of a pizza already
[18:49:13] <Jacky^> :)
[18:51:20] <Jacky^> i buyed some beer budweiser in offer 3 x 1,80 E.
[18:51:40] <Jacky^> i'm waiting it become cold :))
[18:52:16] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.8E EACH???
[18:52:25] <A-L-P-H-A> for like 330ml??
[18:52:27] <Jacky^> nah.. 3
[18:52:38] <Jacky^> 3 of 33 cl anyone
[18:52:41] <A-L-P-H-A> oh. 3 for �1.8
[18:52:44] <Jacky^> yeah
[18:53:07] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.99L for �1.8... hmm.
[18:53:20] <Jacky^> too much ?
[18:53:37] <A-L-P-H-A> for 3 beers for $2.66CDN. That's not bad.
[18:53:38] <Jacky^> I know, but here is imported beer
[18:53:45] <A-L-P-H-A> imported gargage.
[18:53:50] <A-L-P-H-A> get some German beer.
[18:53:53] <A-L-P-H-A> yumm.
[18:53:56] <Jacky^> good :)
[18:53:58] <A-L-P-H-A> belgium beer. yumm.
[18:55:35] <Jacky^> in the summer we drink more beer
[18:55:46] <Jacky^> also price go up
[18:56:06] <Jacky^> in the other time switch to good wine :P
[19:01:30] <alex_joni> evening
[19:01:43] <ValarQ> g'deve
[19:01:50] <alex_joni> what's up?
[19:02:11] <Jacky^> alex_joni: pizza and beer :D
[19:02:22] <ValarQ> alex_joni: not that much
[19:02:28] <alex_joni> Jacky^: just got home from pizza ;)
[19:02:29] <Jacky^> 32 � hot :\
[19:02:30] <cradek> alex_joni: thanks for sharing those videos
[19:02:31] <alex_joni> & wine
[19:02:36] <alex_joni> cradek: np
[19:02:42] <alex_joni> hope you like those
[19:02:45] <alex_joni> liked
[19:02:54] <cradek> yes, and I hope you do check in your code
[19:03:02] <alex_joni> will do..
[19:03:12] <alex_joni> having you as one that wants it ;) surely
[19:03:22] <alex_joni> was not sure that anybody would want that
[19:03:29] <alex_joni> what exactly do you want to do?
[19:03:47] <alex_joni> you said smthg about a robot
[19:04:04] <cradek> yes, it is a robotic arm
[19:04:34] <alex_joni> how many dof's ?
[19:05:00] <cradek> I think 6 all together
[19:05:14] <cradek> including the gripper open/close
[19:05:35] <alex_joni> hmm.. sounds like you would profit from the puma kins
[19:05:35] <cradek> wrist rotate and bend, elbow bend, shoulder bend and rotate around the base
[19:05:51] <alex_joni> 5 dof's then
[19:05:55] <alex_joni> and the gripper
[19:05:59] <cradek> yes
[19:06:06] <alex_joni> emc1 has some puma kins
[19:06:12] <alex_joni> you can just copy them over to emc2
[19:06:16] <alex_joni> and link them in
[19:06:28] <alex_joni> the interface to the kins is pretty much unchanged
[19:06:34] <Jacky^> well. time to drink beer :P later Guys
[19:06:40] <alex_joni> actually completely unchanged
[19:06:47] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^afk
[19:06:49] <cradek> good to kmow
[19:06:50] <cradek> n
[19:07:54] <alex_joni> yeah.. you basicly need 2 functions
[19:08:07] <alex_joni> kinematicsInvers & kinematicsForward
[19:08:18] <alex_joni> and there are some setup functions
[19:08:46] <alex_joni> maybe if you start working on your robot (and thus having 2 kins users) I'll do some work for the config to the kins
[19:09:23] <alex_joni> it should be in the ini .. (for now I defined my defaults in the sources)
[19:29:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is still looking for some groupware sw
[19:29:44] <alex_joni> any ideas?
[19:31:09] <cradek> what's groupware?
[19:31:35] <alex_joni> it's a generic name for a group of applications
[19:31:44] <alex_joni> like contacts / task / addresses
[19:31:51] <alex_joni> managment for such things
[19:32:09] <alex_joni> but it should enable a group of people to access the data
[19:32:14] <cradek> guess I don't use that kind of application
[19:32:20] <alex_joni> it's basicly a database..
[19:32:37] <alex_joni> cradek: it's ok for small businesses
[19:32:43] <alex_joni> or even large :)
[19:32:44] <cradek> I'd start with a good email client and a web-based calendar
[19:32:58] <alex_joni> yeah.. but I need to share the databetween clients
[19:33:02] <alex_joni> say contacts
[19:33:12] <cradek> maybe what you want is CRM
[19:33:19] <alex_joni> oh.. forgot to mention.. doze clients
[19:33:24] <alex_joni> smthg like that
[19:33:37] <alex_joni> I did find www.open-xchange.org
[19:33:43] <alex_joni> smthg like what I need
[19:33:46] <cradek> sugarcrm?
[19:33:51] <alex_joni> didn't get the chance to try it out
[19:34:38] <cradek> www.sugarcrm.com/home/
[19:34:52] <alex_joni> looking
[19:35:01] <alex_joni> hmmm.. sounds opensource
[19:35:05] <cradek> it is
[19:35:18] <cradek> if you have to support windows users, give them firefox and stick with web-based stuff
[19:35:31] <alex_joni> heh
[19:35:32] <cradek> it allows you to not get stuck in the microsoft trap
[19:35:37] <cradek> I'm serious
[19:35:39] <alex_joni> right
[19:35:47] <cradek> if you buy MS apps you're screwed if you use linux, and you're stuck with MS forever.
[19:36:09] <cradek> at my company we're half MS half linux
[19:36:23] <alex_joni> right
[19:36:29] <cradek> things like open office will only get better - we may not be stuck with MS forever.
[19:38:43] <alex_joni> hopefully
[19:38:43] <alex_joni> I did LOVE gimpshop
[19:38:43] <alex_joni> hmm.. seems nice
[19:38:43] <Jacky^afk> Jacky^afk is now known as Jacky^
[19:52:36] <robin_sz> badger badger badger
[19:52:44] <SWP_Away> mushroom MUSHROOM!
[19:52:49] <robin_sz> :)
[19:52:54] <alex_joni> yo robin_sz
[19:53:04] <alex_joni> any luck with your crm quest?
[19:53:09] <robin_sz> mmmm ...
[19:53:17] <robin_sz> still using xrms
[19:53:22] <alex_joni> xrms?
[19:53:26] <robin_sz> and evaluating SugarCRM
[19:53:38] <alex_joni> right.. same here
[19:53:45] <alex_joni> cradek pointed it out to me
[19:54:07] <robin_sz> http://xrms.sourceforge.net/demo.php
[19:54:17] <robin_sz> sugar is nice, but quite complex
[19:54:39] <robin_sz> xrms is simpler, but has code more crazy tham NML
[19:55:00] <alex_joni> heh
[19:55:07] <robin_sz> you can hear it barking as you download it
[19:55:37] <robin_sz> the SQL in there is as mad as I've seen
[19:57:25] <alex_joni> how about http://www.opencrx.org/
[20:03:28] <alex_joni> hmmm opencrx looks nice too
[20:03:46] <robin_sz> is that the one that needs a j2ee compliant webswerver?
[20:03:57] <SWP_Away> yes
[20:03:58] <alex_joni> probably .. it's written in java
[20:04:09] <robin_sz> well, thats that fucked then ... next!
[20:04:21] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[20:04:36] <robin_sz> like where are you going to get a j2ee compliant server huh?
[20:04:37] <SWPadnos> which includes JBoss, but that's irrelevent if you hate Java
[20:04:45] <robin_sz> no, I like java
[20:04:51] <SWPadnos> www.jboss.org
[20:05:00] <robin_sz> do they give it away free?
[20:05:15] <SWPadnos> yes
[20:05:23] <robin_sz> coo.
[20:05:27] <robin_sz> wel I never
[20:05:55] <SWPadnos> it's linked from the openCRX site
[20:06:15] <robin_sz> argh, no ...
[20:06:20] <Jymmm> Ala Apache Tomcat
[20:06:23] <robin_sz> the front page is too complex to understand
[20:06:48] <Jymmm> http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/
[20:06:57] <robin_sz> yes and wtf is that exactly?
[20:07:06] <SWPadnos> RTFWP :)
[20:07:08] <robin_sz> do I need that and jboss?
[20:07:28] <robin_sz> I cant read the webpage
[20:07:37] <robin_sz> I dont understand the language
[20:07:46] <SWPadnos> it's engrish
[20:07:53] <robin_sz> no ...
[20:07:58] <robin_sz> the words are enlish
[20:08:02] <robin_sz> english
[20:08:13] <robin_sz> but it makes no sense to me ..
[20:08:16] <Jacky^> what ? :D
[20:08:41] <robin_sz> so Jboss ... its like a complete OS?
[20:08:45] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=22866&package_id=16942&release_id=312621
[20:09:00] <robin_sz> or does it run on linux?
[20:09:19] <robin_sz> do I need a webserver like apache as well?
[20:09:25] <robin_sz> do I need tomcat as well?
[20:09:27] <SWPadnos> I have no idea what "J2EE-compliant AppServer" means, but I followed the link to JBoss, and it's free :)
[20:09:35] <robin_sz> well, ytes
[20:09:48] <robin_sz> I followed that link when I visited opencrx moths ago
[20:09:50] <SWPadnos> try apt-get install jboss, and see what happens
[20:10:45] <robin_sz> and after several hours of following links to ever more complex buzzwords, I still didnt undestand anything more
[20:10:59] <robin_sz> E: Couldn't find package jboss
[20:11:21] <robin_sz> and do I need Java beans?
[20:11:27] <robin_sz> and should I water them?
[20:11:59] <SWPadnos> well - you grind them, then run water *through* them ...
[20:12:07] <robin_sz> so .. like I said, opencrx is effectively dead in the water for me
[20:12:12] <robin_sz> NEXT!
[20:12:20] <SWPadnos> apt-get install pkg-jboss
[20:12:50] <robin_sz> E: Couldn't find package pkg-jboss
[20:13:06] <robin_sz> sigh
[20:13:44] <SWPadnos> oh well - if you want an easily installed platform, you'll have to buy it
[20:13:57] <SWPadnos> if you want it free, then you'll have to learn something
[20:14:12] <SWPadnos> time <-> money - your choice
[20:14:28] <Jymmm> I'd love to be able to run Zope
[20:14:55] <robin_sz> Jymmm: apt-get install zope
[20:15:01] <robin_sz> now that does work
[20:15:17] <Jymmm> robin_sz : My host does support it.
[20:15:21] <Jymmm> doesn't
[20:15:35] <robin_sz> your waht doesnt supprot it?
[20:15:41] <Jymmm> it does support tomcat, but nfc
[20:15:44] <SWPadnos> apt-get install good-host --force
[20:15:56] <ValarQ> Jymmm: zope is great
[20:15:56] <Jymmm> I have a great host!
[20:16:09] <SWPadnos> apt-get install better-host --force
[20:16:13] <robin_sz> Jymmm: then just su to root, and type apt-get install zope
[20:16:16] <robin_sz> very simple
[20:16:19] <Jymmm> but unless I get a dedicated server Zope aint gonna happen.
[20:16:49] <Jymmm> robin_sz : Host, as in virtual host, as in colo facility, get it now?
[20:16:54] <robin_sz> you dont have your own server?
[20:17:00] <robin_sz> how .. awful.
[20:17:18] <ValarQ> :(
[20:17:46] <robin_sz> I dont have my own server ...
[20:17:50] <Jymmm> robin_sz almost as bad as troubleshooting uncertified cable pullers work for two hours huh?
[20:18:09] <robin_sz> oh fuck
[20:18:28] <robin_sz> look , you made yourself look silly last time, just drop it
[20:18:34] <Jymmm> We cant all afford to have nor maintain dedicated servers
[20:19:09] <robin_sz> heh, I have an an entire rack full :)
[20:19:19] <SWPadnos> this could be a conversation between parasites
[20:19:24] <SWPadnos> "How's your host?"
[20:19:31] <robin_sz> scratch ...
[20:22:26] <Jymmm> http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=25337
[20:23:44] <robin_sz> doesnt really make it an clearer for me ...
[20:23:52] <robin_sz> is Jboss like, say, debian?
[20:24:10] <robin_sz> or is it something you install on top of an OS?
[20:24:20] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. The Peer-Directed Projects Center fundraiser for fiscal year 2005-2006 is complete. Thank you to everyone who donated, and to everyone for their patience and understanding. Let's all have a great year!
[20:24:30] <Jymmm> jboss and toncat are the webservers
[20:24:43] <robin_sz> right
[20:24:45] <Jymmm> jboss adds ejb
[20:24:49] <robin_sz> right
[20:24:51] <robin_sz> so ...
[20:24:52] <alex_joni> robin_sz: seen my machine work?
[20:24:59] <robin_sz> is it something you install on top of an OS?
[20:25:05] <Jymmm> yes
[20:25:07] <robin_sz> alex_joni: show me?
[20:25:10] <robin_sz> right
[20:25:20] <alex_joni> dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/
[20:27:38] <Jymmm> alex_joni wtf, is that yours?
[20:27:51] <alex_joni> Jymmm: should be
[20:27:55] <alex_joni> I built it ;)
[20:28:14] <Jymmm> magnetics?
[20:28:21] <alex_joni> nah.. wires
[20:29:23] <Jymmm> how big is the video (WxH)?
[20:30:31] <Jymmm> nm
[20:31:52] <Jymmm> ah, it was difficult to tell the washer is suspended above the base
[20:32:04] <alex_joni> the video?
[20:32:18] <Jymmm> Yeah, I didn't notice the shadow
[20:32:42] <Jymmm> when I looked at the pic, I finally saw it
[20:32:58] <Jymmm> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/mytoy/Resize%20of%20HPIM4955.JPG
[20:33:23] <Jymmm> alex_joni whats it for?
[20:33:29] <alex_joni> fun ;)
[20:33:35] <Jymmm> or did you see that spray paint one too
[20:33:47] <alex_joni> actually it's smthg like a proof of concept
[20:33:55] <alex_joni> I'm thinking about building a big one
[20:34:01] <alex_joni> for plasma cutting
[20:34:06] <alex_joni> smthg like 10x10m
[20:34:09] <alex_joni> or more
[20:34:22] <Jymmm> just using cables?
[20:34:28] <alex_joni> yup
[20:34:45] <alex_joni> is a lot cheaper than rack & pinion
[20:34:51] <Jymmm> very cool! will put the damn overpriced beearing mfg's out of business =)
[20:35:28] <alex_joni> heh
[20:36:08] <Jymmm> alex_joni are you thinking just as you have it, or adding some gearbox to each one?
[20:36:42] <alex_joni> nope
[20:36:49] <alex_joni> are you familiar with MIG welding?
[20:36:55] <Jymmm> not really
[20:37:40] <Jymmm> oh wait, you dont care about Z axis... so just feed the wire at current position
[20:37:53] <alex_joni> I do care about Z too
[20:37:58] <alex_joni> for torch height control
[20:38:05] <alex_joni> http://www.welding.com.au/images/2rd_controls.jpg
[20:38:11] <alex_joni> that's a MIG wire drive unit
[20:38:24] <alex_joni> smthg like that I wanna use on the cables
[20:39:10] <Jymmm> the motors are string enough to support all the weight?
[20:39:14] <Jymmm> strong
[20:39:19] <Jymmm> w/o a gearbox?
[20:39:21] <alex_joni> about 200 W
[20:39:31] <alex_joni> they do have a gear built in
[20:39:40] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[20:39:51] <alex_joni> I drove one of those with a gecko
[20:39:52] <Jymmm> Very cool alex_joni!
[20:39:52] <alex_joni> very nice
[20:40:00] <alex_joni> :P
[20:40:08] <alex_joni> emc2 works great ;)
[20:40:46] <Jymmm> how much programming did you have todo to get the 3 motors to work like that?
[20:41:03] <alex_joni> not very much ;)
[20:41:09] <alex_joni> it's all math
[20:41:32] <alex_joni> once figured out.. it's about 40-50 lines of code
[20:41:50] <Jymmm> of what, g or c code?
[20:41:55] <alex_joni> c
[20:42:20] <Jymmm> and lots of trig!
[20:42:43] <fenn> i'll get excited when you figure out how to do Z
[20:42:54] <alex_joni> Z works too
[20:43:12] <alex_joni> but it's not that spectacular as I don't have too much weight
[20:43:26] <alex_joni> and the cables get soft if I go Z-
[20:43:33] <fenn> right
[20:43:36] <alex_joni> which is a bad thing ;)
[20:43:40] <Jymmm> fenn : Start getting excited! We want to see the excitment now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[20:43:40] <alex_joni> but it does work
[20:43:51] <fenn> OMFG!!! WOAH!!!!
[20:44:03] <fenn> :P
[20:44:08] <Jymmm> fenn I said excited bitch, but become an AOL'er
[20:44:13] <Jymmm> s/but/not/
[20:44:25] <Jymmm> =)
[20:44:41] <alex_joni> ok guys
[20:44:43] <alex_joni> going to bed
[20:44:45] <alex_joni> night
[20:44:53] <Jymmm> G'Night alex_joni - nice toy
[20:44:59] <alex_joni> ty
[20:45:26] <Jymmm> Now for you fenn...
[20:45:45] <Jymmm> go get your video camera and show us the excitment you have!!!
[20:46:03] <fenn> uh, err, no.
[20:46:09] <Jymmm> fenn : Make every cheerleader proud of you!!!
[20:47:02] <Jymmm> short skirt NOT required!
[20:47:16] <Jymmm> lol
[20:49:02] <anonimasu> iab
[20:49:10] <Jymmm> wb
[20:49:32] <anonimasu> just 15� hours of work
[20:49:43] <Jymmm> togo or completed?
[20:49:54] <anonimasu> completed..
[20:50:07] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands anonimasu a beer or 10
[20:50:16] <anonimasu> 10 would indeed be nice
[20:50:26] <Jymmm> heh
[20:50:37] <anonimasu> I need to travel to another customer tomorrow
[20:50:40] <anonimasu> :/
[20:51:14] <anonimasu> then I need to go to a huydralic manufacturer/supplier to diagnose somevalves that does not work..
[20:51:27] <anonimasu> although that can wait until next week
[20:52:02] <anonimasu> how's thing going for you?
[20:58:37] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[21:10:58] <robin_sz> to the skies!
[21:18:14] <anonimasu> hey
[21:18:20] <anonimasu> robin_sz: : how are thing going?
[21:18:32] <robin_sz> so so
[21:18:53] <anonimasu> gotten any work done on the sheet changer?
[21:19:12] <robin_sz> nah
[21:19:37] <robin_sz> need to see how this next month goes ...
[21:19:55] <anonimasu> ok
[21:19:57] <robin_sz> whehter I stay in UK and play lasers, or go to .ch and play software
[21:20:16] <anonimasu> hm, go to .ch and play with software to pay for your lsers ;)
[21:20:36] <anonimasu> you can always pile money :D
[21:20:55] <robin_sz> its an either-or decision I suspect
[21:21:03] <anonimasu> hm howcome?
[21:21:23] <robin_sz> housing in .ch is fscking expensive
[21:21:31] <robin_sz> extra cash will be limited
[21:21:59] <anonimasu> hm ok
[21:22:01] <robin_sz> thus, finding several thousand pounds a month for a shed to store huge lasers, is niot going to happen
[21:22:28] <anonimasu> didnt you have work for your laser in .uk
[21:22:28] <anonimasu> ?
[21:22:36] <robin_sz> yeah, sort of
[21:22:41] <robin_sz> but not enough yet
[21:23:21] <robin_sz> a couple of BIG contracts bubbling under though
[21:23:24] <robin_sz> but not landed yet
[21:23:49] <robin_sz> one will fill an entire shift, every day
[21:23:54] <anonimasu> :)
[21:23:56] <anonimasu> nice
[21:24:03] <robin_sz> tricky though
[21:24:29] <robin_sz> the part is 800mm dia, 120 holes
[21:24:54] <robin_sz> dimensional error of 0.006" max
[21:25:40] <robin_sz> we nearly got the first sample through quality today
[21:25:58] <anonimasu> hm ok?
[21:26:02] <robin_sz> failed on one dimension being 0.001" over limit
[21:26:11] <robin_sz> and another being 0.0004" over
[21:26:28] <anonimasu> :/
[21:26:33] <robin_sz> 1 thou ...
[21:26:43] <robin_sz> on a big lasered part ...
[21:26:55] <robin_sz> still, we'll get there
[21:27:41] <anonimasu> can you use any tricks to get there?
[21:27:54] <robin_sz> sure ... already do :)
[21:27:56] <anonimasu> would it be hard to compensate for material growth?
[21:28:07] <robin_sz> already do that
[21:28:20] <anonimasu> ah should be easy then :)
[21:28:28] <robin_sz> yeah right :)
[21:28:40] <anonimasu> shouldnt it?
[21:29:19] <robin_sz> holding .006" on a 30" circle?
[21:29:39] <robin_sz> that starts off at 20 deg C
[21:29:51] <robin_sz> and is about 100 deg C by the time the final cut ...
[21:30:05] <anonimasu> can you cool the material?
[21:30:08] <robin_sz> nah
[21:30:32] <robin_sz> we run with 4 sets of cutting tables onthat part
[21:30:38] <robin_sz> differetn kerf comp
[21:30:43] <robin_sz> the kerf is contant,
[21:31:00] <robin_sz> but we over compensate to make it come out right
[21:31:11] <robin_sz> and ...
[21:31:23] <robin_sz> we set it up on HR4 plate ...
[21:31:36] <robin_sz> on the real stuff, CR4, it comes out oval
[21:31:47] <robin_sz> stresses in cold rolled metal
[21:31:59] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:32:09] <anonimasu> cold rolled shit..
[21:32:17] <robin_sz> so, we pre-cut a balnk and then re-cut the piece from it
[21:32:41] <anonimasu> cant you cut a test in real stuff?
[21:32:57] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:00:31] <Jymmm> LOX baby, LOX =)
[22:01:23] <Jymmm> what size lens are you using?
[22:12:55] <Jacky^> hi
[22:15:16] <Jymmm> Hola Jacky^
[22:15:35] <Jacky^> hi Jymmm :D
[22:33:29] <Jacky^> ugh !
[22:33:37] <Jacky^> Day changed to 01 lug 2005 !
[22:33:45] <Jacky^> heeeeyyyyyyyyyyy
[22:34:12] <Jacky^> give me your auguriesssss
[22:34:57] <Jacky^> im another year more old :\
[22:35:58] <fenn> you will live a long and boring life
[22:36:08] <fenn> your kids will hate you because they have been told to by the media
[22:36:24] <fenn> you will grow old and bitter and die
[22:36:25] <Jacky^> fenn: i will made a signature for 80 :P
[22:36:28] <Jacky^> hehehe
[22:36:41] <Jacky^> :-)
[22:37:36] <fenn> make a signature for 80?
[22:37:51] <Jacky^> yeah,
[22:38:04] <Jacky^> understand what I mean ?
[22:38:06] <fenn> no
[22:38:24] <Jacky^> hehe.. wait..
[22:39:19] <Jacky^> I would put the company
[22:39:25] <Jymmm> now damnit, now! lol
[22:39:30] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:40:33] <Jacky^> I would make a contract for living 80 years..
[22:42:22] <Jacky^> my first gift !
[22:42:33] <Jacky^> Roma Uomo Parfum :P
[22:42:36] <fenn> ah
[22:42:39] <Jacky^> :D
[22:43:38] <Jacky^> I love July and the summer :P
[23:19:11] <robin_sz> w00t!
[23:19:26] <robin_sz> sailing trip sorted :)
[23:21:14] <robin_sz> i *lurv* going sailing .. thought I wans;t going to get a trip this summer
[23:37:42] <Jacky^> night robin_sz
[23:37:45] <Jacky^> night all
[23:37:51] <robin_sz> night