#emc | Logs for 2005-06-20

[00:01:05] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Except for the ones a friend of mine have that jump out of the tank after flying insects..
[00:01:23] <jacky^> lool
[00:01:29] <jacky^> piranha ?
[00:02:21] <Phydbleep> jacky^: All I've ever heard them called is "Oscar's" they're a type of tropical..
[00:02:39] <jacky^> i know..
[00:03:04] <jacky^> is there a type called neon, very nice..
[00:03:31] <jacky^> small fish that made a strange light like neon
[00:03:47] <Phydbleep> jacky^: The eyes are cool when viewed from above because they have a natural tint that is a dark amber like the sun/driving glasses I prefer. :)
[00:04:37] <jacky^> hehe
[00:09:14] <Phydbleep> bbiaf.. Time to scrape off the sand and replace it with a temporary layer of water...
[00:09:59] <jacky^> :)
[00:11:44] <jacky^> fortune that the cat animal is cleaned up
[00:12:23] <jacky^> think an elefant :\
[00:14:06] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Ok I guess I can understand a 4yo being in the bathroom while you take a shower and being curious, but why waiting outside the batheroom?
[00:14:19] <Jymmm> and being curious
[00:14:36] <jacky^> hi Jymmm
[00:14:41] <Jymmm> hola jacky^
[00:14:55] <jacky^> kiss CA for me :P
[00:15:17] <Jymmm> Phydbleep or do you mean literally outside the shower, like witing on the toilet for you?
[00:15:39] <Jymmm> palying on the bathroom floor, etc.
[00:16:22] <Jymmm> jacky^ Nah, I might catching something if I did that =)
[00:16:56] <jacky^> hehe
[00:17:04] <jacky^> are you married ?
[00:17:19] <jacky^> i was..
[00:17:22] <Jymmm> Married no, gf for ten years yes.
[00:17:36] <jacky^> mmhh :P
[00:18:02] <jacky^> is the same thing
[00:18:07] <jacky^> a little better
[00:18:09] <Jymmm> pretty much =)
[00:18:13] <jacky^> :)
[00:19:30] <jacky^> here people's go in a church over 35-40 years old
[00:20:04] <jacky^> thy think first a job, the house, travel etc..
[00:28:49] <Jymmm> Here they think baby, welfare, baby, welfare, baby, welfare.......
[00:29:32] <jacky^> yeah..
[00:29:36] <jacky^> :)
[00:32:11] <paul_c> hey... Don't you guys have a bed to go to ?
[00:32:37] <jacky^> paul_c: i'm near to go ..
[00:33:13] <jacky^> the others have np with the fuse :P
[00:36:22] <jacky^> paul_c: how proceeds the job?
[00:36:38] <paul_c> nearly done
[00:36:49] <jacky^> :-) great
[00:36:58] <paul_c> will have some preliminary results posted tomorrow
[00:37:16] <jacky^> nice
[00:37:29] <paul_c> does jacky^ do C++ ?
[00:37:43] <jacky^> nnope, i like ruby
[00:37:43] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: I mean like banging on the door and yelling "Daddy?" at me for 15 minutes.
[00:38:34] <jacky^> i like C, but is to hard for me
[00:40:05] <jacky^> ruby change also the sintax for me, if I write bad
[00:40:25] <jacky^> but i know C is the father of all languages :\
[00:40:45] <robin_sz> Ruby is related to Perl ...
[00:40:51] <robin_sz> Perl is close to C ...
[00:41:11] <cradek> ???
[00:41:31] <jacky^> i begin learnig something in 'doze, with borland delphi
[00:41:44] <jacky^> some year ago i switched to Linux :P
[00:41:53] <robin_sz> cradek: ? what?
[00:42:20] <cradek> Perl is close to C!?
[00:42:27] <robin_sz> yes. very
[00:42:50] <robin_sz> take some C, but a $ in front of the vars .. it will probably run as perl
[00:43:13] <cradek> you're being serious?
[00:43:17] <robin_sz> yes
[00:43:46] <cradek> that's the nuttiest thing I've ever heard
[00:44:17] <cradek> well, not THE nuttiest, I guess
[00:44:23] <cradek> but it's fairly nutty
[00:44:54] <robin_sz> it works, mostly
[00:45:55] <robin_sz> Perl of course has all the OO bits as well, and a few other data types
[00:46:59] <robin_sz> but the regular stuff, if, for, arrays, printf etc ..
[00:47:06] <robin_sz> is much the same
[00:48:55] <robin_sz> referneces and pointers is the big difference I guess
[00:50:36] <robin_sz> Ruby and Perl of course are very close in many ways ... both run on the Parrot back-end
[00:51:53] <anonimasu_> *yawns*
[00:51:59] <anonimasu_> maybe I should go to bed soon
[00:52:35] <jacky^> anonimasu_: \^O-O^/
[00:53:24] <anonimasu_> but I feel like coding
[00:54:06] <anonimasu_> but if I do I'll be dead tomorrow morning
[00:54:22] <jacky^> :)
[00:54:50] <jacky^> better to sleep at least 5-6 hours
[00:55:40] <anonimasu_> I'll get 6 before it's time for work
[00:56:09] <jacky^> bad..
[00:56:18] <jacky^> bed :)
[00:57:46] <A-L-P-H-A> where's this webcast???
[00:58:53] <jepler> * jepler is installing bdi 4.20
[00:59:04] <anonimasu_> hmm /. is boring today
[00:59:04] <jepler> it's much faster on a real machine than in qemu
[00:59:34] <cradek> hi jeff
[00:59:39] <jepler> hi chris!
[00:59:50] <cradek> sorry you're working on bdi again
[01:00:15] <jepler> I figure it'd be nice if for one moment axis would work on emc1, emc2 and emc1.5
[01:00:18] <anonimasu_> http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2005/06/02/Louv/index_np.html
[01:00:23] <jepler> until bdi or emc2 changes out from underm e
[01:00:27] <jepler> under me\
[01:00:31] <cradek> I agree that would be nice
[01:00:36] <jepler> man, my keyboard skillz are weak
[01:00:40] <cradek> but, I'm afraid it would only be for a moment
[01:00:55] <jepler> one bright and shining moment
[01:00:56] <anonimasu_> hm, nml will probably change pretty heavily soon
[01:01:05] <jepler> during which emc becomes defined by the interface AXIS was programmed to
[01:01:23] <jacky^> too late for me, go to bed, night guys
[01:01:30] <anonimasu_> jepler: ?
[01:02:09] <jepler> If AXIS worked before the check-in, but not after, the checkin must be a mistake
[01:02:18] <jepler> I'll use my developer privs to revert it (just joking, don't hurt me!)
[01:02:42] <anonimasu_> haha
[01:02:50] <anonimasu_> *pokes jepler*
[01:03:16] <cradek> jepler: well, I already branched emc1...
[01:03:28] <anonimasu_> why?
[01:03:37] <jepler> fear of the interpreter changes I think
[01:03:41] <jepler> the looping & subroutine ones IIRC?
[01:04:02] <cradek> it's the version I'm using that works 100% perfectly
[01:04:25] <cradek> I also wanted to check in the few hacks I had made
[01:04:40] <jepler> cradek: no, you need to fix the "step to first line" bug still
[01:04:58] <cradek> ... 97% perfectly
[01:05:00] <jepler> I think there's at least one other bug with the step/pause/run buttons
[01:05:38] <anonimasu_> hm pause & resume is flawless in emc2
[01:05:39] <cradek> shh
[01:06:14] <anonimasu_> honestly
[01:06:14] <anonimasu_> :D
[01:06:17] <jepler> I don't think we submitted the emc1 bugs we found. at least one was segmentqueue specific, and invoved pausing twice
[01:06:30] <anonimasu_> oh SQ is broken
[01:06:30] <anonimasu_> :)
[01:06:34] <cradek> yeah, and I don't care about segmentqueue bugs (I know we found several)
[01:06:48] <jepler> but still we should have submitted them to the sourceforge tracker
[01:06:51] <jepler> instead of just forgetting about them
[01:07:07] <cradek> I might have - I don't remember
[01:07:41] <jepler> just look in the CVS log of TODO and find the lines that were removed with the message "EMC bug, not AXIS bug"...
[01:07:43] <anonimasu_> hm I might make some motor mounts soon
[01:08:05] <anonimasu_> that's what I'd love to have at a workshop
[01:08:35] <anonimasu_> a large cnc mill & lathe and a fair amount of stock for machining mounts
[01:09:07] <anonimasu_> that was the main problem when I built my mill
[01:09:20] <anonimasu_> turn & weld.. my bearing mounts togther
[01:09:25] <anonimasu_> they suck
[01:10:55] <cradek> anonimasu_: I also sometimes need a larger mill and lathe
[01:11:21] <anonimasu_> cradek?
[01:11:37] <anonimasu_> cradek: I was thinking as a idea for a retrofit workshop or somthing like that
[01:11:56] <anonimasu_> the bearing mounts are by far the hardest thing to make
[01:12:04] <anonimasu_> motor/bearing mounts
[01:14:20] <cradek> jepler: still around?
[01:14:24] <jepler> cradek: yeah
[01:14:43] <cradek> I'm going to hit Meadowlark for a cup of coffee - want to join me?
[01:14:56] <jepler> cradek: sure, if you don't mind picking me up.
[01:14:57] <cradek> ... I haven't had real coffee all weekend
[01:15:12] <cradek> sure, be there soon
[01:15:13] <jepler> poor guy
[01:15:14] <jepler> OK
[01:15:17] <anonimasu_> haha
[01:15:20] <anonimasu_> nice
[01:15:38] <jepler> he'll get here just as bdi finishes installing, I bet
[01:15:43] <jepler> bbl
[01:15:59] <anonimasu_> ok
[01:15:59] <anonimasu_> night
[01:27:00] <asdfqwega> logger_aj
[01:27:05] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[01:27:05] <asdfqwega> See
[01:28:03] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Did you find those motor pics?
[01:29:07] <asdfqwega> No, I don't have pics of them...and I forgot that all digital cameras we have are with currently traveling with my mother...in Canada
[01:30:10] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: how about I just stare at them real hard and you read my mind?
[01:31:16] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega stares real hard at a pic of goatse and waits
[01:42:46] <robin_sz> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.
[01:51:39] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: It's really a help to be dyslexic as well.. Then you can read 90% of that statement before realizing the spelling is borked. :)
[02:03:08] <weyland> anyone home?
[02:03:20] <paul_c> was....
[02:03:29] <weyland> :)
[02:03:34] <paul_c> [01:42:39] <cradek> I'm going to hit Meadowlark for a cup of coffee - want to join me?
[02:03:34] <paul_c> [01:42:51] <jepler> cradek: sure, if you don't mind picking me up.
[02:04:45] <weyland> can anyoen give me a hint on where to look to find the answer to the question I've been hunting down for a while now? RE: post processors and EMC
[02:05:26] <paul_c> 'pends wich CAM system you use.
[02:05:39] <weyland> I've gotten access to a friend's mastercam for doing some stuff, but can't find out what post processer I need to use for EMC to run it
[02:06:10] <weyland> He's got mastercam 9
[02:06:22] <paul_c> would suggest trying an older Fanuc post processor
[02:06:53] <weyland> can you tell me what an older one would be? (I'm ignorant)
[02:09:29] <paul_c> (not that familiar with Fanuc models...) M6 or M10
[02:10:39] <weyland> Okay, thanks, I'll look for something like that when I go over there
[02:41:05] <Jymmm> I'm now officially out of room in here!
[02:43:35] <paul_c> Jymmm: Moving to the basement ?
[02:44:39] <Jymmm> I wish we had a basement... Bought one if this and it setup to be 48" x48" http://gorillarack.com/products/storage/StorageIndex.htm#GR%202000-B
[02:49:25] <paul_c> time to go... but before I do...
[02:50:04] <Jymmm> asdfqwega Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[02:50:14] <paul_c> * paul_c kicks jmkasunich & the rest of the *** @ the cnc-workshop
[02:50:36] <Jymmm> paul_c ????
[02:50:57] <paul_c> inbox.
[02:51:25] <Jymmm> "You have 4342 new messages"
[02:51:54] <paul_c> night ;)
[02:52:22] <weyland> nite boyz...
[05:53:02] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_sleep
[06:20:14] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[06:20:18] <A-L-P-H-A> 4342 new messages?
[06:25:30] <A-L-P-H-A> hello?
[06:27:20] <Jymmm> hola
[06:27:27] <A-L-P-H-A> someone exists!
[06:27:30] <A-L-P-H-A> well. sorta. :)
[06:27:40] <Jymmm> Please leave a massage at the beep.........................
[06:28:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I need new liquid soap.
[06:28:43] <Jymmm> and a message too.
[06:28:59] <A-L-P-H-A> this anti bacterial shit, is peeling my skin from my fingers.
[06:29:09] <Jymmm> brand?
[06:29:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I forget.
[06:29:34] <Jymmm> Dial is pretty good.
[06:29:53] <Jymmm> anti-bacterial is a good thing.
[06:30:01] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck anti-bacterial.
[06:30:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I didn't use it for my first 23 years of my life...
[06:30:29] <Jymmm> ok
[06:30:41] <Jymmm> Well, G'Night =)
[07:48:04] <A-L-P-H-A> hi robin_sz.
[08:01:34] <robin_sz> g'day
[08:03:09] <A-L-P-H-A> g'midnight
[08:03:11] <A-L-P-H-A> 3:31am
[08:54:08] <alex_joni> anonimasu: either of you around?
[08:58:07] <A-L-P-H-A> either who?
[08:58:12] <A-L-P-H-A> or anonimasu, and anonimasu_
[08:58:16] <alex_joni> right
[08:58:19] <robin_sz> oh them
[08:58:22] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, wuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzup? :D
[08:58:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods anonimasu*
[08:58:24] <robin_sz> one of them was earlier
[08:58:31] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: you know swedish?
[08:58:39] <robin_sz> bu thte other one, never on.
[08:58:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I know swedish meatballs, and ikea. :D
[08:58:47] <alex_joni> lol
[08:58:54] <robin_sz> smorgasbord
[08:59:26] <robin_sz> and various puddings served in advocaat
[08:59:35] <robin_sz> what more is there?
[08:59:37] <A-L-P-H-A> know clu ewhat smorgasbord is.
[08:59:38] <alex_joni> I wonder what "P�a displayen visas det nuvarande resolverv�rdet och paramererv�rdet in�mnd ordning f�r axel 1:" means
[08:59:42] <A-L-P-H-A> ohoh! I know chocolate as well.
[08:59:50] <A-L-P-H-A> but I actually prefer Belgium chocolates.
[09:02:05] <robin_sz> alex_joni: www.systransoft.com
[09:03:11] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, was there a webcast of the cnc-workshop?
[09:03:13] <A-L-P-H-A> or wha?
[09:22:41] <anonimasu_> A-L-P-H-A: it meand that thte display is displaying the current value of the resolver
[09:22:45] <anonimasu_> for axis one
[09:22:48] <alex_joni> I wonder what "P�a displayen visas det nuvarande resolverv�rdet och paramererv�rdet in�mnd ordning f�r axel 1:" means
[09:22:54] <alex_joni> anonimasu: any idea?
[09:23:06] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: I just translated it for you :)
[09:23:18] <alex_joni> ahh .. thx
[09:23:29] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu? wth?
[09:23:35] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: was for me
[09:23:38] <anonimasu_> ah
[09:23:40] <anonimasu_> :D
[09:24:50] <alex_joni> how about "kontrollera att parameterv�rdet SYNCPAR=XXX st�mmer �verens med v�rdet f�r axel 1 pa etiketten" ?
[09:24:54] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
[09:25:30] <anonimasu_> Check that the parameter "SYNCPAR=XXX" matches the value of axis 1 on the label"
[09:26:18] <alex_joni> Om dessa v�rden ej st�mmer ?
[09:26:28] <anonimasu_> if the values do no match
[09:26:56] <alex_joni> mata in det v�rde som star pa etiketten f�r axel 1
[09:27:05] <A-L-P-H-A> A-L-P-H-A is now known as Autodidact
[09:27:08] <anonimasu_> input the value of axis 1 from the label
[09:27:18] <Autodidact> hmm... I kinda like this new nick. :D
[09:29:21] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: if there's more just ask about it
[09:29:56] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: thx
[09:30:05] <alex_joni> I have about 4 pages of it ;)
[09:30:13] <Autodidact> Autodidact is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[09:31:31] <anonimasu_> if you want I can translate whatever parts you need
[09:33:47] <alex_joni> some parts I get ;)
[09:33:56] <alex_joni> like "Tryck "BREAK""
[09:33:59] <alex_joni> :P
[09:35:32] <anonimasu_> press break
[09:35:36] <anonimasu_> "break"
[09:35:38] <alex_joni> yeah..
[09:35:46] <anonimasu_> s/press/push
[09:35:50] <alex_joni> that's why I said that some parts I get
[09:35:59] <anonimasu_> ah
[09:36:00] <anonimasu_> hehe
[09:38:27] <alex_joni> morning paul
[09:38:38] <paul_c> Morning Alex.
[09:38:57] <paul_c> Just added anothe column to the sheet
[09:39:08] <alex_joni> which one?
[09:41:33] <paul_c> G/M codes
[09:42:20] <alex_joni> right
[09:42:29] <alex_joni> not very many I presume
[09:42:42] <alex_joni> only the ones coming from emccanon.cc ?
[09:43:05] <paul_c> yup
[09:46:36] <alex_joni> although I expect for some to have more than 1 G-code
[09:49:30] <paul_c> Some do.... Although some canonicals can send groups of NML messages, whilst others may or may not spwan additional msgs
[09:49:54] <alex_joni> any reply's regarding the spreadsheet?
[09:52:26] <paul_c> Not yet
[09:53:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is anctious to see who will reply
[09:56:45] <paul_c> * paul_c is penning a reply to an older message.....
[10:08:55] <alex_joni> penner = bum (in german)
[10:09:27] <alex_joni> *g*
[10:09:56] <anonimasu_> hehe
[10:13:29] <paul_c> writing, authorship, composition, penning -- (the act of creating written works; "writing was a form of therapy for him"; "it was a matter of disputed authorship")
[10:14:05] <alex_joni> shhh..
[10:14:19] <alex_joni> don't disturb paul_c's act of creating written works
[10:15:57] <anonimasu_> hehe
[10:16:13] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: shush
[10:20:36] <anonimasu_> :D
[10:21:50] <paul_c> urine extracting comedians
[10:22:05] <alex_joni> ?
[10:22:13] <anonimasu_> paul_c: eep?
[10:22:29] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: uec
[10:24:55] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:26:21] <anonimasu_> paul_c: I think you are on the right way with the nml stuff
[10:26:22] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:26:47] <paul_c> send a comment to the dev list, and......
[10:26:59] <anonimasu_> and?
[10:27:08] <anonimasu_> actually I'll be helping out
[10:27:12] <anonimasu_> if I can :)
[10:27:33] <anonimasu_> I dont have time to write one right now though need to go out and make some parts
[10:50:06] <anonimasu> :)
[10:50:08] <anonimasu> iab
[10:50:45] <alex_joni> wb
[10:50:52] <anonimasu> thaks
[10:50:55] <anonimasu> err thanks
[11:01:12] <anonimasu> hmm
[11:01:32] <anonimasu> the emc user insterface isnt designed for half manual operations
[11:01:42] <alex_joni> half manual operations?
[11:01:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:01:56] <alex_joni> what do you mean?
[11:01:58] <anonimasu> I am facemilling some stuff and I am too lazy to write a program..
[11:02:04] <alex_joni> right
[11:02:07] <alex_joni> use the jog commands
[11:02:17] <alex_joni> and set axis speeds
[11:02:23] <anonimasu> I want a button that I can lock my feed on..
[11:02:39] <anonimasu> liek start to jog x and push "lock feed" and it'll feed x
[11:02:50] <anonimasu> you can do that if you press 2 keys so the first one sticks..
[11:02:55] <anonimasu> but it's not quite the same :)
[11:09:17] <anonimasu> but well I guess I should shut up :D
[11:10:03] <anonimasu> I should do somthign about it instead
[11:11:31] <anonimasu> alex_joni: using the jog buttons requires me to hold for a whole part )
[11:15:03] <alex_joni> well.. you could ;)
[11:15:25] <alex_joni> either that.. or place some heavy stuff on the key ;)
[11:15:33] <alex_joni> I used to do that a while ago :P
[11:15:45] <anonimasu> it easily gets tedious :D
[11:20:45] <anonimasu> I wrote a program instead :)
[11:21:18] <alex_joni> you did?
[11:21:28] <alex_joni> qt?
[11:21:29] <alex_joni> ;D
[11:23:16] <anonimasu> no, since I havent written any stuff for talking to nml yet
[11:23:37] <anonimasu> is there any "repeat X times" thing in emc?
[11:23:43] <anonimasu> if you do production for example
[11:24:02] <anonimasu> "cycles"
[11:24:24] <alex_joni> I remember seeing some functions for that..
[11:24:29] <alex_joni> "for" iirc ;)
[11:24:41] <anonimasu> heh
[11:24:44] <anonimasu> from the ui..
[11:24:45] <alex_joni> :P
[11:24:51] <anonimasu> it's good for facing stuff
[11:24:52] <alex_joni> UI: for ;)
[11:25:04] <alex_joni> DWELL ?
[11:25:14] <anonimasu> you make ?
[11:25:30] <anonimasu> you make a program that goes a line and then steps y1
[11:25:38] <anonimasu> and goes back..
[11:25:42] <alex_joni> right
[11:25:56] <anonimasu> then you run the program 10 times :) with the cycle function
[11:25:57] <alex_joni> that's about 2 lines of code to produce that g-code
[11:26:00] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:26:07] <anonimasu> now it's 10 copy & pastes
[11:26:30] <anonimasu> :)
[11:26:58] <anonimasu> I think I'll end up with a whole gui before I am done..
[11:27:07] <alex_joni> lol... :P
[11:27:16] <anonimasu> seriously everything adds up
[11:27:29] <anonimasu> I always end up lacking features
[11:29:39] <A-L-P-H-A> for fly cutting, I should spin it as fast as possible? or what? I've got like a 3" fly cutter, but I don't know what to do with it as in feedrates.
[11:29:54] <alex_joni> use about 50k RPM minimum
[11:29:54] <A-L-P-H-A> or should I set it to like 200 SFM to fly cut alu?
[11:30:09] <anonimasu> want to borrow my die grinder?
[11:30:27] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I hope you weren't referring to me.
[11:30:33] <alex_joni> why not?
[11:30:34] <alex_joni> :D
[11:30:56] <A-L-P-H-A> 50k rpm. :P shuttup. I want REAL _helpful_ advice.
[11:31:11] <alex_joni> what's wrong with 50k RPM?
[11:31:19] <A-L-P-H-A> on a 3" flycutter?
[11:31:22] <alex_joni> that's under k RPS
[11:31:31] <alex_joni> :P
[11:31:39] <A-L-P-H-A> you're insane.
[11:31:40] <alex_joni> but then again.. what do I know
[11:31:54] <A-L-P-H-A> appearantly... <>
[11:32:00] <A-L-P-H-A> :P
[11:32:04] <alex_joni> heh
[11:32:13] <alex_joni> I'm just bored
[11:32:15] <alex_joni> talking crap
[11:32:19] <alex_joni> it's too hot
[11:32:20] <alex_joni> :(
[11:32:21] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, if you wanna help...
[11:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A> wanna write something quick? like 10-25 lines of asm for me?
[11:32:40] <alex_joni> what flavour?
[11:33:07] <A-L-P-H-A> ASM... ttl (duty cycle) -> atmel 90s2313 (AVR) -> PWM out.
[11:33:17] <A-L-P-H-A> the system will run at 10mhz.
[11:33:21] <alex_joni> define TTL duty cycle
[11:33:31] <A-L-P-H-A> um.
[11:33:45] <alex_joni> serial?
[11:33:54] <alex_joni> frequency?
[11:34:01] <A-L-P-H-A> double word in. $0000 to $FFFF hex to represent 0 to 256^2 over 256^2
[11:34:14] <A-L-P-H-A> oh frequency input works too.
[11:34:16] <alex_joni> so serial I guess
[11:34:56] <A-L-P-H-A> lets say I pass it in $0000. it should have a PWM of 0% duty cycle. if it's $FFFF it should be 100%. and $00FF @ 50%
[11:35:09] <alex_joni> how do you pass?
[11:35:12] <alex_joni> from what
[11:35:13] <alex_joni> and how?
[11:35:15] <A-L-P-H-A> via TTL.
[11:35:24] <alex_joni> TTL = 0 / 5V
[11:35:27] <A-L-P-H-A> TTL has a TX and RX.
[11:35:31] <alex_joni> that's serial
[11:35:34] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[11:35:36] <A-L-P-H-A> okay. serial
[11:35:37] <alex_joni> TTL= logic levels
[11:35:48] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, serial. :) sorry.
[11:36:00] <alex_joni> get kyle
[11:36:05] <alex_joni> write it in C
[11:36:08] <A-L-P-H-A> something I could easily mash together with a max232.
[11:36:11] <alex_joni> should work like a charm
[11:36:13] <alex_joni> right
[11:37:32] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/yanor/downloads/p89c51.c
[11:37:44] <alex_joni> it's for an P89C51
[11:37:47] <alex_joni> but close enough
[11:40:40] <A-L-P-H-A> bah. I want to do it in asm.
[11:40:42] <A-L-P-H-A> should be easy.
[11:41:06] <alex_joni> be my guest then
[11:41:20] <alex_joni> btw.. that one does 2 PWM's
[11:41:27] <alex_joni> with encoder feedback
[11:41:38] <alex_joni> and some PID
[11:42:34] <anonimasu> brb fetching breakfast at grandmother :)
[11:42:55] <alex_joni> nice
[11:50:26] <jacky^> morning
[12:03:17] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[12:05:34] <anonimasu_> hey
[12:10:53] <alpha_emc> booga booga!
[12:10:53] <alpha_emc> :D
[12:10:57] <alpha_emc> .
[12:46:03] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid alpha_stupid
[13:03:48] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[13:03:53] <A-L-P-H-A> finished with two parts! :)
[13:03:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yeh!
[13:04:05] <anonimasu> nice
[13:04:09] <anonimasu> I am soon done with my parts also
[13:04:11] <A-L-P-H-A> 48 more to go.
[13:04:15] <anonimasu> 4 to go
[13:04:18] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[13:04:31] <A-L-P-H-A> then I have another thing I have to make.
[13:04:38] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes man... I need to get my ass in gear!
[13:07:15] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, how much can you get 7mm endmills for?
[13:08:23] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I dont know I buy dormer and i dont care about prices that much
[13:08:25] <anonimasu> :)
[13:09:02] <anonimasu> and I buy tools with work since my mill does prototyping for work
[13:09:35] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, what do you do?
[13:11:30] <anonimasu> seed planting equipment..
[13:11:32] <anonimasu> right now
[13:12:51] <anonimasu> :)
[13:14:45] <anonimasu> another part comming up
[13:14:46] <anonimasu> :D
[13:17:38] <anonimasu> I need to go back to work to weld some stainless
[13:27:16] <alex_joni> yo D'eaux
[13:28:19] <anonimasu_> yo!
[13:28:20] <anonimasu_> :D
[13:28:25] <alex_joni> yodo
[13:28:32] <alex_joni> and yoda ;)
[13:29:11] <jepler> grumble. having trouble getting the emc on bdi4.20 to run without a mill
[13:29:23] <alex_joni> jepler: what's the problem?
[13:40:32] <anonimasu_> bbl
[13:46:13] <jepler> iniaxis.cc 750: bad return from emcAxisSetStepParams / emctaskmain.cc 2638: can't initialize motion
[13:47:02] <paul_c> dmesg - Did the RT modules load ?
[13:47:44] <jepler> looks like it. emcmot: making freqTask periodic at rate of 29 ticks or 24305 nanoseconds
[13:49:15] <jepler> I should clarify that /usr/local/emc/generic.run works, but the emc I built according to the wiki instructions didn't.
[13:49:22] <alex_joni> bdi4 ?
[13:49:23] <paul_c> Check the nml config...
[13:50:04] <alex_joni> jepler: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Install or http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Compile_EMC2 ??
[13:51:20] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BDI-4_Install
[13:52:25] <alex_joni> ok.. last time I tried that worked too..
[13:52:25] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler? without?
[13:52:54] <A-L-P-H-A> nm
[13:52:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm stupid when it comes to setup of emc.
[13:54:52] <paul_c> dunno - If it ran when it was installed from the CD, but not from src.....
[13:56:52] <jepler> copied generic.ini from /usr/local/emc but it didn't help
[13:58:03] <paul_c> no errors logged during the make ?
[13:59:01] <jepler> I didn't read the output for the warnings it tells me to ignore, but the "make" finished
[14:01:23] <cradek> jepler: it has a habit of not stopping when parts of the make fail
[14:09:05] <jepler> I did a "cvs update -rbdi-4_20" and built again. Now it works
[14:09:36] <jepler> so either I screwed up the first build, or there's something bad in the bdi4 branch since 4.20 was released
[14:10:28] <alex_joni> try -rbdi-4 again if you got the time
[14:15:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[14:15:38] <alex_joni> later guys
[14:21:15] <jmk_sleep> jmk_sleep is now known as jmkasunich
[14:24:04] <paul_c> Still not left Steve ?
[14:24:46] <cradek> jmkasunich: does that script still work for your rtai?
[14:24:54] <cradek> if so, maybe we finally got it right
[14:29:53] <steve_stallings> busy packing, leaving mid-afternoon
[14:34:48] <paul_c> steve_stallings: Damn your tin'o'worms.....
[14:35:36] <steve_stallings> professional troublemaker for hire, cheap 8-)
[14:37:23] <paul_c> stick around for five - Penning a reply.
[14:37:51] <steve_stallings> I be here for about an hour...
[14:43:22] <jacky^> hi all
[14:47:58] <jacky^> paul_c: i can't find Fat kernel module in BDI, i need to use a pendriver(fat format) to copy file from my laptop(windowsxp) to the pc-cnc machine, any idea how to do ?
[14:48:26] <jacky^> can i copy the module manually ?
[14:48:28] <SWP_Away> it's vfat
[14:48:41] <jacky^> vfat ?
[14:48:45] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[14:48:57] <jacky^> is there in BDI ?
[14:49:33] <paul_c> fat support is built in to the kernel.
[14:49:43] <jacky^> i can mount the pendriver, it was recognized as /dev/sda
[14:50:26] <jacky^> i mount it in /mnt/membar, but if i try to copy a file it take some minute and get I/O error
[14:51:02] <paul_c> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/media
[14:51:09] <jacky^> when i put the pendriver i also get unknown filesystem
[14:51:31] <jacky^> sda1 ? ok paul_c , tnx a lot
[15:20:38] <jmkasunich> steve_stallings or mshaver_away you guys there?
[15:22:03] <CIA-10> 03paul_c 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc2.hh: Committed for further discussion.
[15:23:41] <jmkasunich> back in a bit
[15:24:08] <paul_c> jmkasunich: Catch up on the dev list postings... And the cvs commit
[15:38:07] <anonimasu_> iab
[15:55:08] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ yawns
[16:14:55] <alex_joni> ello
[16:15:15] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[16:15:49] <alex_joni> hey John
[16:15:56] <alex_joni> how's retrostuff?
[16:16:13] <jmkasunich> busy
[16:16:35] <jmkasunich> the spindle drive on this machine was switched out, and the guy who installed the replacement one was clueless
[16:16:43] <jmkasunich> (the replacement is not the same as the original drive)
[16:17:29] <alex_joni> heh
[16:17:31] <jmkasunich> the drive normally runs in velocity mode, but it changes to a form of position control with a very non-standard feedback device so that it can rotate the spindle to the proper orientation for a toolchange
[16:17:44] <alex_joni> I see...
[16:18:25] <alex_joni> any thoughts on the NML stuff?
[16:18:36] <alex_joni> or just that it's not your field... ;)
[16:18:47] <jmkasunich> nope.... I'm doing this stuff about 16hrs a day this week
[16:18:55] <alex_joni> ahh.. I see
[16:19:28] <jmkasunich> we have something like 29 outputs and 41 inputs to trace down, disconnect from the old control, and hook to the new one
[16:19:47] <jmkasunich> that is not counting the motion stuff, encoders, dacs, etc
[16:20:22] <jmkasunich> only then do we get to start working on the actual logic needed for a toolchange
[16:20:41] <alex_joni> heh
[16:20:57] <jmkasunich> hi steve
[16:21:07] <alex_joni> I hope that might produce some clear ideas about stuff needed for toolchanging in emc
[16:21:35] <jmkasunich> it will produce ideas about how to do toolchanges on a Mazak
[16:21:36] <alex_joni> hello steve
[16:21:42] <steve_stallings> Hi John, I just came back in from loading the van. Saw message. I probably have op-amps, but nothing fancy like AD.
[16:22:17] <jmkasunich> a quad opamp would be a big step in the right direction... how about (reasonably) matched resistors
[16:22:28] <jmkasunich> 1% or better
[16:23:08] <steve_stallings> Will dig around for breadboard stuff including resistors.
[16:23:11] <jmkasunich> we have two differential analog signals to convert to single ended.... supply is +15V
[16:23:41] <jmkasunich> damn... we're gonna have to offset to deal with the single supply
[16:23:59] <jmkasunich> you don't have a little +/-12 or 15V supply, do you?
[16:24:04] <steve_stallings> Do you need output near ground rail?
[16:24:09] <jmkasunich> somthing like a little lambda open frame or something
[16:24:31] <jmkasunich> the drive has inputs that can accept +/-10
[16:25:12] <jmkasunich> but if we don't have a negative opamp supply, we'll have to make the signal swing from 1 to 9 or so, with 5V for zero
[16:25:18] <jmkasunich> I believe we can offset the drive input
[16:25:40] <jmkasunich> I wish I had a teleporter... I know I have several supplies at home that
[16:25:44] <jmkasunich> would work
[16:26:03] <Jymmm> Super Fly staring jmkasunich
[16:27:01] <jmkasunich> steve: do you have an account with Newark?
[16:27:09] <steve_stallings> I will bring whatever I can find, supply likely, simple op-amps, etc.
[16:27:30] <steve_stallings> Newark, Digikey, Allied, Mouser, whatever, go'em all
[16:27:48] <jmkasunich> I'm thinking we could order a few things for delivery to here, and pay you back later
[16:27:58] <jmkasunich> like AD629s
[16:28:29] <jmkasunich> they are perfect for this... unity gain, huge common mode range, no external parts except bypass caps
[16:28:34] <steve_stallings> OK, suggest Digikey is rock solid on delivery of things shown in stock. They have TI/BurrBrown stuff
[16:28:56] <steve_stallings> send me a list to steves@pmdinc.com and include delivery address
[16:29:23] <jmkasunich> will do...
[16:29:43] <steve_stallings> second day, or next day air?
[16:29:49] <jmkasunich> next
[16:30:08] <steve_stallings> then it will get there before I do
[16:30:13] <jmkasunich> great!
[16:30:36] <jmkasunich> INA117P-ND, $5.40 each, 6000 in stock at digikey
[16:30:50] <jmkasunich> I'll pick out a power supply from them too
[16:31:01] <steve_stallings> for that matter, you can order directly on line with credit card
[16:31:07] <jmkasunich> can you bring some 0.1uF caps and 8 pin dip sockets
[16:31:29] <steve_stallings> I will still bring whatever kit I can find, caps yes, sockets yes
[16:31:46] <steve_stallings> precision resistors in thru hole, questionable
[16:32:02] <jmkasunich> I'm worried about online ordering... brand new account, shipping to an address that doesn't match the mailing address, and no phone access to make sure it's straight
[16:32:10] <jmkasunich> with the INA117, we don;t need the resistors
[16:32:48] <steve_stallings> OK, send me the list, you can keep adding up until about 3PM Eastern
[16:33:02] <jmkasunich> (my cell phone doesn't work here - or at least not unless I drive somewhere and stand in just the right place)
[16:33:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods paul_c
[16:33:18] <jmkasunich> will do
[16:33:22] <steve_stallings> sure hope Verizon works, or I will go nuts
[16:33:25] <jmkasunich> thank a ton steve
[16:33:31] <jmkasunich> mine is Cingular
[16:33:53] <jmkasunich> Roland's phone works fine, but he doesn't know what brand it is (his wife got it)
[16:33:55] <steve_stallings> don't forget connectors, funny little stuff
[16:34:03] <Jymmm> steve_stallings : Oh yeah, rely upon GTE
[16:34:27] <jmkasunich> there's a tower only 500' away, but it apparently isn't Cinguar :-(
[16:35:02] <jmkasunich> two 6 pos screw term blocks...
[16:35:03] <steve_stallings> cell phone often shows logo on LCD screen
[16:35:37] <jmkasunich> he's not here anymore... he lent me his phone to call matt, then left on a mission
[16:35:52] <jmkasunich> (we're building a pendant, he went to get an electriacal box)
[16:36:17] <jmkasunich> pendant = mount for keyboard, mouse, monitor, jogwheel, and estop button
[16:36:24] <alex_joni> heh
[16:36:54] <jmkasunich> we should have a wiki page for the retrofit
[16:36:58] <jmkasunich> with pics
[16:37:08] <cradek> what state are you guys in?
[16:37:16] <jmkasunich> Illionisy
[16:37:17] <alex_joni> critical state
[16:37:18] <alex_joni> ;)
[16:37:20] <Jymmm> State of Confusion
[16:37:26] <jmkasunich> Jymmm you got it
[16:37:30] <cradek> s/what/which/
[16:37:42] <alex_joni> cradek: blew it on this one ;)
[16:37:51] <Jymmm> California
[16:37:51] <alex_joni> the one before madness
[16:37:58] <jmkasunich> Illinois
[16:38:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni Yeah, but you cut in line!
[16:38:18] <alex_joni> TM
[16:39:18] <Jymmm> jmkasunich =)
[16:39:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods paul_c again
[16:40:22] <Jymmm> jmkasunich if you turn off/on the phone the logo should pop up
[16:40:53] <jmkasunich> I no longer have the phone that works (it was borrowed)
[16:40:59] <alex_joni> and if you enter the wrong pin 3 times ... it shouldn't matter anyways
[16:41:00] <Jymmm> or give me the AC and prefix and I can look up the carrier.
[16:42:19] <jmkasunich> http://www.cnc-workshop.com/costs.htm
[16:42:28] <jmkasunich> address and phone number on that page
[16:42:39] <Jymmm> is that a cellphone?
[16:42:45] <jmkasunich> no idea
[16:50:33] <steve_stallings> nope, that is land line for Cardinal Eng unless he switched to cellular
[16:51:22] <paul_c> * paul_c wonders why Kelvin a) wants to run a java app, and b) do it with doze.
[16:51:36] <alex_joni> heh.. because he can
[16:51:38] <alex_joni> LOL
[16:51:56] <paul_c> so why the... ask me !
[16:52:19] <steve_stallings> because he can....
[16:52:28] <alex_joni> steve_stallings: LOL
[16:52:35] <paul_c> * paul_c forwards the email on to steve_stallings
[16:52:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he should feel included in the paul & all.
[16:52:47] <alex_joni> probably not
[16:52:53] <alex_joni> I'll let paul_c answer it ;)
[16:52:53] <paul_c> BTW Steve.. Nice catch
[16:53:08] <steve_stallings> the only Java that I do is liquid and warm
[16:53:42] <Jymmm> or iced
[17:03:09] <fenn> hey paul what mobo do you recommend for the cnc-workshop people?
[17:03:34] <jmkasunich> fenn: you can walk across the room and see the one we are gonna use on the mazak
[17:03:34] <fenn> we're talking about i/o latency
[17:03:37] <fenn> heh
[17:04:38] <fenn> jmk feel free to pipe up any time if you want :)
[17:04:39] <paul_c> Best one, with a 440BX chip set
[17:05:00] <alex_joni> PII ?
[17:05:10] <paul_c> worst, i845, i865, i810, i815
[17:05:29] <alex_joni> 440BX does ring a bell.. a distant one from long-gone days
[17:06:46] <paul_c> If you want some numbers, look up Takis' web page for the RTAI Live CD test results
[17:07:34] <paul_c> http://issaris.homelinux.org/~takis/projects/rtai/livecd/
[17:08:30] <fenn> thanks
[17:10:05] <jmkasunich> steve: you still there?
[17:10:31] <jmkasunich> looking at power supplies... man those are expensive (I'm used to shopping at the dumpster)
[17:10:48] <jmkasunich> cheapest +/-15V supply from Digikey is $38
[17:10:52] <jmkasunich> we only need about 100mA
[17:11:07] <steve_stallings> I probably have something, big, but cheap
[17:11:43] <jmkasunich> they already have a single output +15V, probaby at least an amp or two
[17:11:57] <jmkasunich> we only need the -15 for the diff amps... maybe 20mA
[17:12:10] <steve_stallings> OK
[17:12:14] <jmkasunich> know any cheap, easy, and quick ways to make -15 from +15?
[17:12:40] <Jymmm> does it AHVE to be 15?
[17:12:42] <steve_stallings> a nice noisy switching inverter
[17:12:44] <jmkasunich> measured load for the sensor is 63mA at 15V
[17:12:45] <Jymmm> or would 12 work
[17:13:05] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: 12 might work, but I have no way of knowing
[17:13:08] <Jymmm> -12VDC == PC PS
[17:13:21] <jmkasunich> the sensor is built into the machine, don't want to take any chances
[17:13:33] <Jymmm> walwart?
[17:13:44] <jmkasunich> not dual output
[17:13:54] <jmkasunich> the existing supply is an open frame linear
[17:13:59] <Jymmm> ah
[17:14:32] <steve_stallings> stuff I have would also be open frame linear, 3" x 5" x 10" appx
[17:14:34] <jmkasunich> I wonder if we could use a cap and a couple diodes, as a 60HZ charge pump using the transformer secondary
[17:15:04] <steve_stallings> charge pump for 10 mA, OK, charge pump for 100 mA dicy
[17:15:07] <jmkasunich> this one is about that, 3x5x8 probably
[17:15:14] <jmkasunich> don't need 100mA
[17:15:27] <jmkasunich> the sensor runs on +15 only, 63mA
[17:15:34] <jmkasunich> the -15 is just for the diff amp
[17:15:41] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks for a INA117 datasheet
[17:16:41] <Jymmm> too bad you can't use the -3 and the -12 from a CP PS
[17:16:46] <Jymmm> PC
[17:17:01] <alex_joni> CP PC ?
[17:17:28] <Jymmm> * Jymmm crazy glue's alex_joni's fingers together
[17:17:35] <jmkasunich> hmm.. INA117 only needs about 2mA
[17:18:13] <jmkasunich> 15V zener, 2 diodes, and 2 caps (one charge pump, one filter)
[17:18:24] <jmkasunich> I'll work up a design for that
[17:19:17] <CIA-10> 03alex_joni 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc2.hh: added some thoughts, not completely through the list yet, will commit part two later
[17:19:31] <alex_joni> bye guys
[17:19:33] <alex_joni> later
[17:22:00] <Jymmm> oh man... google is gonna startup a PayPal like service
[17:22:10] <CIA-10> 03paul_c 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/Make.rules: def_headers breaks if you do a make headers in a sub-dir and the include dir is absent.
[17:45:51] <steves_logging> John, I'm off to the office to load up. No IRC there, use e-mail to steves@pmdinc.com
[17:49:14] <anonimasu> hm one hamburger comming up
[17:49:21] <anonimasu> :D
[18:04:31] <Jymmm> anonimasu I'll take mine with grilled onions
[18:04:36] <CIA-10> 03paul_c 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc2.hh: Append a comment to Alex's notes.
[18:08:22] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: nice
[18:08:25] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ is eating now
[18:08:42] <anonimasu_> doing more work on my diet
[18:24:52] <jmkasunich> will do
[18:27:45] <anonimasu_> :)
[18:35:30] <Jymmm> anonimasu : SEE FOOD diet?
[18:52:34] <anonimasu_> see?
[18:52:36] <anonimasu_> hah
[19:06:58] <Jymmm> you never heard that joke before?
[19:07:38] <anonimasu_> no
[19:07:51] <SWPadnos> it works better when you say it
[19:07:56] <Jymmm> yeah
[19:07:59] <SWPadnos> "I'm on a seafood diet"
[19:07:59] <anonimasu_> brb need to go back to work to fetch a drikk
[19:08:01] <anonimasu_> drill
[19:08:04] <anonimasu_> ah
[19:08:14] <anonimasu_> I am on a high fat/low energy one
[19:08:25] <anonimasu_> and now I am heading out to buy a coke and the newspaper and get a drill
[19:08:34] <anonimasu_> not to confuse with getting drilled.
[19:08:46] <Jymmm> or getting coke
[19:08:55] <anonimasu_> yeah ;)
[19:09:10] <SWPadnos> well - I've done the impossible
[19:09:12] <anonimasu_> although that would probably be equally easy in this town
[19:09:26] <Jymmm> SWPadnos you are pregnant?
[19:09:28] <SWPadnos> I managed to lose an MSC catalog (all 4500 pages of it)
[19:09:34] <SWPadnos> even harder :)
[19:09:34] <Jymmm> lol
[19:09:41] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ pats swp on the bakc
[19:09:42] <anonimasu_> back
[19:10:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos btw they hurt like a bitch when they fall on your hand
[19:10:15] <SWPadnos> maybe it's time for me to stop IRC chatting, and actually clean my office
[19:10:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Got Dumpster?
[19:10:45] <SWPadnos> well - they haven't picked up the trash yet - I could be in luck :)
[19:10:52] <Jymmm> lol
[19:11:06] <anonimasu_> anyways brb
[19:11:10] <Jymmm> or just open the window and start tossing things out
[19:11:32] <SWPadnos> no - if I open the window I'll end up with pollen and huge amounts of fluff from our cottonwood tree
[19:11:41] <jacky^> hi
[19:11:47] <SWPadnos> in my office, on top of the stuff that's already there
[19:11:57] <SWPadnos> (basement office - gravity worksa gainst me :) )
[19:12:06] <Jymmm> SWPadnos cottonwood is NASTY for those with allergies
[19:12:16] <Jymmm> hola jacky^
[19:12:37] <jacky^> hey Jymmm :)
[19:12:40] <Jymmm> Just KILLS my gf when we drive near cottonwood trees
[19:15:11] <SWPadnos> luckily I don't have allergies, but it wouldn't help to have a coating of that stuff on all my crap
[19:15:16] <SWPadnos> or crap on my stuff
[19:15:50] <SWPadnos> Snatana has some really great music
[19:16:14] <jacky^> joe satriani :P
[19:16:38] <SWPadnos> him too - different style though ;)
[19:16:47] <jacky^> have you seen Live in Denver ? Satriani+vai+malmeesten
[19:16:53] <SWPadnos> nope
[19:16:56] <jacky^> wow
[19:17:09] <jacky^> incredible
[19:17:32] <SWPadnos> I usually listen to Leo Kottke, Eric Clapton, Michale Hedges, and Eric Johnson if I'm in the mood for guitar
[19:17:40] <SWPadnos> Michael Hedges, that is
[19:17:41] <jacky^> i've the dvd in some place here..
[19:18:00] <SWPadnos> or Stanley Jordan
[19:19:15] <jacky^> SWPadnos: this: http://www.gandsmusic.com/SteveVaiRelated.htm
[19:20:07] <SWPadnos> hmmm - never heard of Malmsteen (heard of Vai and Satriani, though)
[19:20:54] <jacky^> malmeesten is the more fast guitar player of the world :\
[19:21:05] <SWPadnos> ah
[19:21:20] <SWPadnos> I thought that was Eddie Van Halen :)
[19:21:23] <jacky^> he live classic music, like beethoven, wagner
[19:21:29] <SWPadnos> (at least, it was in the late '70s)
[19:21:33] <jacky^> like*
[19:21:45] <SWPadnos> cool
[19:26:06] <SWPadnos> weird - I clicked on G3: Live in concert, and the third guitarist is Eric Johnson instead of Yngwie Malmsteen
[19:26:26] <SWPadnos> I like Eric Johnson though - "Cliffs Of Dover" is an awesome song
[19:26:26] <jacky^> where ?
[19:26:32] <SWPadnos> Amazon.com
[19:26:40] <SWPadnos> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001CCXGG/qid=1119293396/sr=8-21/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i6_xgl15/104-2527394-3007909?v=glance&s=music&n=507846#product-details
[19:26:57] <SWPadnos> oops
[19:27:03] <SWPadnos> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002BT9/ref=pd_sim_music_1/104-2527394-3007909?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
[19:27:58] <jacky^> maybe is not the same concert
[19:28:14] <jacky^> you should see G3 Live in Denver..
[19:28:21] <SWPadnos> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001CCY0G/ref=pd_ecs_d_m_a/104-2527394-3007909?v=glance&s=dvd&n=
[19:28:25] <SWPadnos> cheap, too :)
[19:29:01] <jacky^> yeah ! also nice price :P
[19:46:14] <A-L-P-H-A> hi, back, away. test driving a saturn ion2
[19:51:11] <jacky^> jacky^ is now known as jacky^afk
[19:57:18] <CIA-10> 03alex_joni 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc2.hh: thoughts on NML messages part deux
[19:58:35] <alex_joni> greetings all
[20:00:05] <SWPadnos> Hi Alex
[20:00:28] <alex_joni> hey stephen
[20:01:54] <SWPadnos> just looking through the NML comments
[20:02:14] <alex_joni> anything nice?
[20:02:49] <SWPadnos> I just had a thought brought about by remote tuning
[20:03:03] <alex_joni> pls.. do share
[20:03:16] <SWPadnos> it makes sense to have all configuration be done through NML
[20:03:24] <alex_joni> I agree
[20:03:38] <alex_joni> that's what I meant when I said that it needs to go to HAL
[20:03:43] <alex_joni> not directly to HAL
[20:03:54] <SWPadnos> the whole "send ini file name to motion so it can update status which allows task to read the ini file" is ludicrous, but the functionality needs to be there
[20:03:55] <alex_joni> but maybe a NML receptor that is able to set HAL params
[20:04:16] <SWPadnos> a script could almost do it with halcmd
[20:04:28] <SWPadnos> it's the NML part that would be dicey
[20:05:02] <SWPadnos> also, since HAL is configurble, the NML command / status channel split doesn't make a lot of sense
[20:05:25] <SWPadnos> there's no god way for the HAL system to tell the "controller" what needs configuration
[20:05:44] <alex_joni> that's true..
[20:06:09] <alex_joni> dunno maybe JMKASUNICH has some thoughts on this
[20:06:15] <alex_joni> wonder if he sees this ;)
[20:06:27] <SWPadnos> heh - you never know :)
[20:06:41] <alex_joni> should have made it red
[20:07:04] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:07:31] <SWPadnos> he's probably got his hands full of wires (that are only connected at one end :) )
[20:08:08] <alex_joni> lol.. or maybe even on both ends
[20:08:15] <alex_joni> but he can't remember where
[20:08:21] <alex_joni> ;)
[20:09:02] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:09:44] <alex_joni> I wonder.. what's this Mazak retrofit all about?
[20:09:57] <alex_joni> people paying money to be allowed to fix an old machine?
[20:10:37] <SWPadnos> good question
[20:10:50] <SWPadnos> I think it's more of an example of what can be done with a CNC retrofit (and EMC)
[20:10:53] <alex_joni> which they won't have any benefit from
[20:10:57] <alex_joni> ;)
[20:11:06] <alex_joni> is it sure that EMC will be used?
[20:11:09] <SWPadnos> It's a great business model though:
[20:11:19] <SWPadnos> I have this old milling machine
[20:11:24] <SWPadnos> you pay me to fix it up
[20:11:27] <SWPadnos> and I'll keep it :)
[20:11:50] <SWPadnos> and all the stuff you add to it to make it a CNC
[20:12:07] <jacky^afk> jacky^afk is now known as jacky^
[20:15:04] <alex_joni> yeah.. exactly
[20:15:45] <SWPadnos> I wish that kind of stuff would happen to me :)
[20:16:08] <SWPadnos> "I have this land with trees - why don't you pay me to allow you to build me a nice house on it" :)
[20:16:47] <alex_joni> heh
[20:16:52] <alex_joni> or maybe plow it
[20:17:03] <alex_joni> or build a golf-course on it
[20:17:10] <alex_joni> with AI controlled golfcars
[20:17:14] <alex_joni> CNC of course
[20:17:43] <SWPadnos> of course
[20:18:30] <anonimasu_> hello
[20:18:42] <alex_joni> hey anonimasu_
[20:19:40] <anonimasu_> what's up?
[20:19:49] <alex_joni> nuttin..
[20:19:49] <anonimasu_> I just finished making parts for today
[20:19:57] <alex_joni> just got home from a tennis match
[20:20:00] <anonimasu_> nice
[20:20:06] <anonimasu_> I should do that someday soon
[20:20:14] <anonimasu_> it's been 10 years since I played tennis
[20:20:16] <alex_joni> weather is great for that
[20:20:22] <alex_joni> I just started last year
[20:20:27] <anonimasu_> And I live close to a tennis course
[20:20:32] <anonimasu_> like 50m
[20:20:34] <alex_joni> heh
[20:20:37] <anonimasu_> or maybe 100
[20:23:31] <anonimasu_> paul_c: are you there?
[20:23:42] <alex_joni> he's hiding ;)
[20:23:57] <anonimasu_> :~(
[20:24:03] <anonimasu_> PAAAAUL!!!!! *cries out in vain*
[20:24:06] <alex_joni> heh.. just kidding
[20:24:09] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ also
[20:24:10] <alex_joni> * alex_joni slaps paul_c
[20:24:28] <anonimasu_> I Am going to write some on the nml interface to my qt stuff
[20:24:33] <anonimasu_> then slack..
[20:24:40] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: wait a few more days
[20:24:48] <alex_joni> it _might_ save you some rewrite
[20:25:18] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: oh, I want the routines for fetching stuff to work :)
[20:25:25] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ likes bittorrent
[20:25:29] <anonimasu_> 220kb/s down
[20:25:40] <anonimasu_> 560kb/s up
[20:25:41] <anonimasu_> ;)
[20:25:48] <alex_joni> heh.. hope that's kB not kb
[20:26:10] <anonimasu_> kB
[20:26:16] <alex_joni> nice
[20:26:27] <anonimasu_> I stopped capping my uppload and the download went up with 200%
[20:26:40] <alex_joni> how much you've got available?
[20:26:47] <anonimasu_> I dont know..
[20:26:52] <alex_joni> lol
[20:26:53] <alex_joni> nice
[20:26:57] <anonimasu_> it should actually be 30..
[20:27:06] <alex_joni> 30 kB ?
[20:27:17] <anonimasu_> but I am unsure if my isp have started with it yet
[20:27:24] <anonimasu_> it's somwhere around 10mbit
[20:27:31] <alex_joni> nice.. take advantage while it still lasts ;)
[20:27:42] <anonimasu_> it'll last forever
[20:27:43] <anonimasu_> :)
[20:27:48] <anonimasu_> or well as long as I pay for it
[20:27:51] <alex_joni> 560 is very close to the limit of 10 MBit
[20:28:00] <alex_joni> well.. if it's half duplex anyways ;)
[20:28:07] <anonimasu_> heh..
[20:28:10] <anonimasu_> but it isnt :)
[20:28:12] <alex_joni> I know that from wifi.. there's 11 Mbit max there
[20:28:22] <alex_joni> and about 600kB max theoretically
[20:28:37] <anonimasu_> it's 696 right now
[20:28:48] <anonimasu_> err 596
[20:33:53] <anonimasu_> *yawn*
[20:34:01] <jacky^> anonimasu_: :)
[20:34:20] <jacky^> *_*
[20:34:24] <jacky^> hehe
[20:42:02] <CIA-10> 03petev * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/ (51 files in 2 dirs): Initial revision.
[20:42:36] <jacky^> I have the motor of the Y axis that does not go fast how much others
[20:42:52] <alex_joni> huh
[20:43:01] <alex_joni> now that comes unexpected
[20:43:09] <anonimasu_> ?
[20:43:11] <alex_joni> wth is petev doing ?
[20:43:25] <jacky^> cant go up to 5
[20:43:32] <jacky^> I suspicion the controller..
[20:45:34] <jacky^> someone knows the author of cncpenguin website ?
[20:47:18] <anonimasu_> jacky^: why do you suspect the controller?
[20:47:43] <jacky^> anonimasu_: because X and Z goes well
[20:48:15] <jacky^> i only have the issue on Y axses
[20:51:31] <CIA-10> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: one more time on the realtime script... please test future changes on a BDI-4.20 system if possible, that is a mainstream system and _must_ not be broken
[20:51:49] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you there?
[20:52:01] <jmkasunich> no ;-)
[20:52:02] <paul_c> jmkasunich: Comments on NML please.
[20:52:08] <alex_joni> hello there
[20:52:16] <alex_joni> what's this about CL ?
[20:52:18] <jmkasunich> I'm sorry, but I simply can't do that now
[21:04:16] <CIA-10> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/hal/Makefile: added classicladder to hal makefile so make will recurse into it
[21:04:30] <jmkasunich> we're hoping to use CL for some of the toolchange stuff on the Mazak
[21:06:33] <paul_c> Why did CL have to go in the HAL tree ??
[21:06:35] <alex_joni> jmkasunich:don't you think that 100 output pins by default is a bit much?
[21:06:55] <paul_c> could it not have gone in a separate dir.....
[21:07:03] <alex_joni> even if it's 50 normal & 50 -not
[21:07:25] <paul_c> WTF ??
[21:07:38] <paul_c> CL has an invert block does it not ?
[21:09:23] <CIA-10> 03petev * 10emc2/src/Makefile.inc.in: Added some HAL component CONFIG_s.
[21:13:07] <jmkasunich> CL (as pete implemented it) is a HAL component
[21:13:18] <alex_joni> what's M5I20 ?
[21:13:43] <jmkasunich> damfino
[21:13:46] <jmkasunich> ask petev
[21:14:16] <paul_c> No cleanup if the init routines fail....
[21:14:37] <alex_joni> paul_c: notice the initial revision...
[21:14:39] <paul_c> Hope HAL will do that otherwise you will be up shit street.
[21:15:03] <paul_c> and you had better have plenty of memory spare.
[21:15:03] <jmkasunich> it's brand new... and it only gets used if the ini demands it, so it isn't gonna hurt anybody who doesn't use it
[21:15:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:15:36] <jmkasunich> you have heard of "commit early, commit often", haven't you?
[21:15:39] <jmkasunich> it will get refined
[21:15:56] <alex_joni> still better than nothing getting done with CL at all...
[21:16:02] <alex_joni> maybe it'll get better ;)
[21:16:08] <alex_joni> btw.. short question:
[21:16:17] <alex_joni> how does the rung get loaded to the RT stuff?
[21:16:36] <alex_joni> I opend the GUI version .. but the two don't seem to have anything in common..
[21:16:52] <alex_joni> s/rung/rungs/
[21:17:05] <jmkasunich> I believe there is a shmem block that is opened by both the GUI and the realtime ladder evaluator
[21:17:18] <jmkasunich> the gui stuffs the ladder program into shmem, the evaluator runs it
[21:17:30] <jmkasunich> pete knows the details, we've only discussed it in general terms
[21:17:37] <alex_joni> I see.. well that sounds pretty ok, if it works
[21:17:55] <jmkasunich> I guess we'll be finding out
[21:17:59] <alex_joni> ;-)
[21:18:04] <jmkasunich> this place is a madhouse
[21:18:11] <alex_joni> #emc ?
[21:18:23] <jmkasunich> no, CNC workshop - about 10 guys climbing all over the mazak
[21:18:43] <alex_joni> I don't get this ;)
[21:18:52] <alex_joni> maybe somebody someday can explain it to me
[21:18:56] <jmkasunich> the mazak
[21:18:57] <jmkasunich> ?
[21:19:07] <alex_joni> I do understand doing work for free
[21:19:11] <alex_joni> heck I do it for emc
[21:19:21] <alex_joni> but paying to be allowed to do it.. :-?
[21:19:30] <alex_joni> that's a bit much ;)
[21:19:43] <jmkasunich> the work is only a small part of the event
[21:20:00] <jmkasunich> think seminar or convention
[21:20:04] <alex_joni> hmm.. you should know ;)
[21:20:14] <jmkasunich> that just happens to have a garage out back with a very interesting project to work on
[21:20:17] <alex_joni> right.. well it sure didn't feel like that
[21:20:25] <alex_joni> ok
[21:20:31] <alex_joni> well.. good night ;)
[21:20:45] <alex_joni> if it helps emc code.. it's ok with me
[21:20:50] <jmkasunich> many of the 100 or so folks here are strictly interested in the educational aspects of it, and won't be working on anything at all
[21:21:09] <jmkasunich> they want to learn how to go home and convert their bridgeport or mill-drill
[21:21:22] <jmkasunich> (those are two other projects taking place in an adjacent building)
[21:22:29] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: doesn't sound that bad afterall ;)
[21:22:37] <alex_joni> anyways.. going to bed now
[21:22:48] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[21:22:50] <alex_joni> long day, looking at code too much
[21:22:53] <alex_joni> see ya
[21:22:59] <SWPadnos> night, Alex
[21:23:06] <alex_joni> ciao SWPadnos
[21:24:48] <roltek> how is the work going on the mazak and how far did they get so far
[21:25:04] <jmkasunich> well, there are problems with the spindle drive
[21:25:17] <jmkasunich> the wiring to the analog tach was ripped off, need to repair that
[21:25:38] <jmkasunich> the entire spindle drive was replaced at some point with a different (and not really compatible) drive
[21:25:57] <jmkasunich> we have to do some electronics hacking to implement the spindle orientation needed for toolchanges
[21:26:32] <roltek> you guys have your hands ful
[21:27:01] <roltek> is ray henry around
[21:27:01] <SWPadnos> good thing there's no time pressure :)
[21:28:02] <roltek> how many people showed up so far
[21:28:10] <jmkasunich> the X axis limit switch is froze up (actually a block with 4 switches and plunger mechanisms) we have a replacement unit but it needs machined to fit, somebody is doing that
[21:28:23] <jmkasunich> other folks are building a pendant mount for the monitor and keyboard
[21:28:30] <CIA-10> 03paul_c 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc2.hh: NML comments part three - Discussion required.
[21:28:56] <jmkasunich> others are buzzing out I/O wiring (29 outputs and 41 inputs will be needed, minimum)
[21:29:41] <jmkasunich> I've got the BDI install and compile stuff set up on the computer we're gonna use, need to try the CL stuff, and make sure the Vital drivers work with the new 4 channel vital cards
[21:30:15] <jmkasunich> about 70-100 people total, about 15-20 sat and listened to Ray talk about emc this morning, about 10-12 working now
[21:40:41] <Jymmm> "Oh like Ray knows anythign about emc" =)