#emc | Logs for 2005-06-19

[00:00:12] <cradek> yep
[00:10:23] <les> hi chris, alex
[00:10:29] <cradek> hi les
[00:10:44] <alex_joni> hey les
[00:10:57] <les> just tractor shopping on the web
[00:11:03] <les> I need one now!
[00:11:28] <alex_joni> tractor?
[00:11:33] <alex_joni> get a BIG one
[00:11:43] <robin_sz> 4wd
[00:11:46] <les> looking at the little diesel ones from china
[00:11:53] <robin_sz> nah
[00:12:02] <les> they are cheap
[00:12:06] <robin_sz> are they turbod?
[00:12:17] <les> cousin bought one...seems ok
[00:12:33] <les> 3 cyl diesel 30 hp
[00:12:49] <les> $7000
[00:12:49] <robin_sz> anything less thsn 200hp is a powered wheelbarrow
[00:12:53] <les> pretty cheap
[00:12:59] <les> haha
[00:13:14] <robin_sz> 30hp?
[00:13:21] <robin_sz> will that plough?
[00:13:37] <les> I have some acreage here and things are getting out of hand
[00:13:51] <robin_sz> look, if it wont pull an 8 bladed reversible plough.
[00:13:51] <les> it will plough a little
[00:13:53] <robin_sz> well,
[00:14:17] <alex_joni> you don't need ya tractor to plough..
[00:14:35] <alex_joni> tractor is for going to town on sundays
[00:14:40] <robin_sz> heh
[00:14:59] <robin_sz> a decent mower ...
[00:15:29] <dmess> will it tow a hedge hog??
[00:15:46] <les> well golf course and orchard...remember?
[00:16:06] <les> dmess a 60" bush hog seems no problem
[00:16:14] <dmess> i dont DOO golf couses...
[00:16:33] <robin_sz> golf course?
[00:16:37] <dmess> really.. for 7000 us??
[00:16:48] <robin_sz> easy .. start with the 8 bladed reversible plough like I said earlier
[00:17:09] <les> well I have some pasture here...and am tired of livestock crap...trying to turn ammonium nitrate into meat
[00:17:22] <les> it is not a good deal or fun
[00:17:23] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:17:28] <robin_sz> very innefficient
[00:17:33] <les> right
[00:17:39] <robin_sz> grow soya!
[00:18:00] <robin_sz> or grow what I'm growing ...
[00:18:01] <dmess> get some goats... for 7000 us you get alotta goats
[00:18:17] <les> apples, raspberries, two hole golf course
[00:18:23] <les> must also be fun
[00:18:25] <dmess> grow the great canadian export
[00:18:35] <les> theraputic you know
[00:18:40] <les> ??
[00:18:55] <dmess> so is the export product...
[00:19:05] <les> oh..haha
[00:19:07] <robin_sz> dmess: a bad french accent?
[00:19:25] <dmess> pour quoi??
[00:19:30] <robin_sz> my crop is just beginning to flower
[00:19:38] <robin_sz> 8 acres of ....
[00:19:42] <robin_sz> lupins
[00:19:42] <dmess> je parle fracias aussi..
[00:19:43] <les> used to grow that stuff
[00:19:58] <les> no not that heh
[00:20:00] <dmess> 8 acres..???
[00:20:02] <robin_sz> heh
[00:20:06] <robin_sz> 2.5 hectares
[00:20:11] <dmess> you got BALLS
[00:20:13] <robin_sz> lupins.
[00:20:18] <robin_sz> no .. not THAT
[00:20:24] <dmess> lupins??
[00:20:27] <les> I have 50 to deal with here...and it is getting overgrown.
[00:20:27] <alex_joni> moi aussi, mais just un peau
[00:20:30] <robin_sz> lupins.
[00:20:34] <dmess> lapins??
[00:20:52] <robin_sz> no .. thats rabbits. lupins. silly whit or blue flower
[00:21:16] <dmess> pour javel on it..
[00:21:27] <robin_sz> http://www.tamegoeswild.com/photos/japan2002/06/images/lupins.jpg
[00:22:30] <les> oh...some of those growing here!
[00:22:45] <les> I did not know what they were
[00:22:45] <dmess> 8 acres of that would get on my 1 good nerve..
[00:22:50] <alex_joni> huh.. DOT really consumes a lot of CPU
[00:22:56] <robin_sz> they seed, then you harvest them .. feed the seed to cows
[00:23:16] <robin_sz> technically, its a legume
[00:23:34] <robin_sz> so fixes nitrogen really well
[00:23:38] <dmess> really... why not just let the cows eat the flowers??
[00:23:40] <les> Well recall after all the scrimping starting a business....and this is the first good year...
[00:23:43] <robin_sz> high protein in the seed
[00:24:05] <les> I have been thinking about airplanes and audis as you know....
[00:24:21] <les> what about just buying a tractor...rest in the bank
[00:24:58] <robin_sz> nah
[00:25:00] <robin_sz> plane!
[00:25:03] <les> ? heh
[00:25:07] <dmess> airplane sounds gooder..
[00:25:14] <robin_sz> nice arcer maybe?
[00:25:17] <robin_sz> archer
[00:25:18] <les> don't tempt me now
[00:25:26] <dmess> but not one of the ones i build..
[00:25:33] <les> I have 250 + hrs in archer
[00:25:45] <robin_sz> it was our local airshow last weekend ...
[00:25:55] <robin_sz> the guy in the cessna caravan was back ...
[00:25:58] <dmess> time to step up to a regional
[00:26:07] <robin_sz> god that thing performs well
[00:26:20] <robin_sz> shorter roll than a 172 ...
[00:26:35] <les> I have it on flight simulator
[00:26:38] <dmess> hawrker 800 xp ... is a sweet one
[00:26:40] <les> lots of power
[00:26:44] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:26:47] <les> stalls at 40 kts
[00:26:52] <robin_sz> PT600
[00:26:57] <les> yup
[00:27:07] <dmess> any one heard of the Russian Regional Jet
[00:27:16] <robin_sz> nope ...
[00:27:16] <dmess> RRJ
[00:27:56] <les> I used to watch the smoky aeroflots landing at ohare
[00:28:22] <dmess> you seen the a380??
[00:28:28] <robin_sz> les: this is a small grass strip ... 172s and the like, seeing a caravan in there is pretty wild
[00:28:40] <robin_sz> huge ...
[00:28:52] <dmess> cool... good pilot..
[00:29:04] <les> 9R ILS was 3000ft over the field I learned at
[00:29:24] <les> so I had 747 a thousand feet above me
[00:29:28] <robin_sz> heh, this is a bit smaller :)
[00:29:49] <robin_sz> 610 with a hedge down one side
[00:29:59] <les> heh
[00:30:18] <les> 1500 AGL and we would bust ohare class b
[00:30:22] <les> and it happened
[00:30:26] <robin_sz> oh, and we had a mustang call in too
[00:30:38] <les> I busted it once for a few seconds
[00:30:38] <robin_sz> that was nice ...
[00:30:48] <les> I turned off the transponder
[00:31:10] <robin_sz> and he threw it around too .. you can really hear the superchargers wind up when he opened the taps ...
[00:31:15] <dmess> we busted ALL international air space 1 day..
[00:31:19] <les> mode c to standby...
[00:31:31] <robin_sz> yeah, they dont care im sure
[00:31:48] <les> I like mustangs. I like the fire when they start up
[00:31:52] <robin_sz> heh
[00:32:05] <robin_sz> this one certainly sounded neat
[00:32:12] <dmess> lovely sounding aircraft...
[00:32:30] <robin_sz> its a two stage supercharger if I remember right
[00:32:44] <dmess> and the FLY like jack the bear...
[00:33:19] <robin_sz> my friend came in is KR2
[00:33:28] <robin_sz> neat little homebuilt ..
[00:33:39] <robin_sz> smallest aircraft to go Uk to australia
[00:33:46] <dmess> cool.. they are cute..
[00:33:52] <les> I like hawker typhoons too...guy at the field had one
[00:33:55] <les> big
[00:33:56] <robin_sz> and fast too
[00:34:02] <les> 5 blade prop
[00:34:08] <robin_sz> (the KR2)
[00:34:22] <les> I never flew it
[00:34:37] <dmess> that would be nice too
[00:34:38] <robin_sz> yeah, with horsepower you can just keep adding blades till it complains :)
[00:34:57] <les> prob cost $2000/hr to operate
[00:35:04] <dmess> or the air frame pukes on ya
[00:35:08] <les> he had problems with oil leaks a lot
[00:35:35] <les> but a high speed low pass in it was way cool
[00:35:47] <les> what a sound
[00:35:50] <dmess> ohh yeahhh
[00:36:20] <robin_sz> http://www.alagem.com/cgi-bin/subsite/wt/plane.asp
[00:36:24] <robin_sz> the KR2
[00:36:29] <les> looking
[00:37:43] <A-L-P-H-A> that's whaced.
[00:37:55] <A-L-P-H-A> whacked.
[00:37:59] <dmess> thats a VERY nice lookin' tail dragger
[00:38:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess if you're workmanship is awesome...
[00:38:10] <robin_sz> small isnt it ..
[00:38:18] <robin_sz> oh, his workmanship is *perfect*
[00:38:28] <dmess> got balls... fly it.. alpha
[00:38:30] <A-L-P-H-A> 16kg baggage cap?
[00:38:39] <A-L-P-H-A> 800clicks.
[00:38:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 80hp motor? that's it?
[00:38:56] <les> nice but this one was like this...
[00:38:58] <les> http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Typhoon.html
[00:39:48] <les> it was the sea fury variant
[00:39:56] <les> what a plane
[00:40:06] <robin_sz> yeah ...
[00:40:14] <robin_sz> 2200hp, it just HAD to fly
[00:40:19] <les> sounds like a freight train
[00:40:49] <les> We had an f-86 there too
[00:41:05] <les> We had an issue in the pattern once
[00:41:27] <les> he blasted past me on downwind in class d airspace.
[00:41:52] <les> I didn't mind...nice show...ate some turbulence though
[00:41:59] <les> I was in an archer
[00:42:12] <les> we got called to the faa tower.
[00:42:14] <robin_sz> he would probably stall trying to stay behind you
[00:42:33] <les> I made no complaint
[00:42:41] <les> they asked
[00:42:47] <les> I declined
[00:42:56] <robin_sz> sounds fair
[00:43:13] <les> he blasted past me at 500 kts or so
[00:43:26] <robin_sz> heh
[00:43:34] <les> I was going 120
[00:44:10] <les> nice bump when I hit his wake..but no big deal
[00:44:26] <dmess> rotor..
[00:44:53] <robin_sz> it usally sinks, so climbing a bit avoids it .
[00:44:55] <les> naw just jet wake...an up and down bump
[00:44:59] <les> real sharp
[00:45:33] <jacky^> night all
[00:45:39] <robin_sz> night ...
[00:46:16] <dmess> lock and load..
[00:46:20] <robin_sz> you dont really get an impression of just how small that KR2 is ...
[00:46:22] <robin_sz> tiny
[00:46:29] <les> looks like it
[00:46:43] <dmess> it is in the hangar..
[00:46:49] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:47:04] <robin_sz> good range though
[00:47:36] <robin_sz> 4 gal/hr .. cant complain
[00:48:08] <les> you are messin with my head...I finally get a little coin and you start talking airplanes.....
[00:48:21] <robin_sz> you only live once ;)
[00:48:29] <les> I should just run down and write a check for a tractor
[00:48:43] <robin_sz> and anyway, a plane will save you money
[00:48:55] <les> I sure can't write a check for an archer...
[00:49:00] <les> save?
[00:49:04] <robin_sz> sure ..
[00:49:04] <les> ????
[00:49:15] <robin_sz> well, when you are being paid as a consultant ...
[00:49:23] <robin_sz> travelling to site ..
[00:49:33] <robin_sz> I mean that must waste hours in the car?
[00:49:39] <robin_sz> but a plane, hell ...
[00:49:50] <robin_sz> youd be cash neutral in the first year
[00:50:04] <les> I did fly to vendors at ITW
[00:50:27] <les> they were not happy about it though
[00:50:33] <robin_sz> and cars, well they deteriorate and die .. planes just go on if maintained well .. its an investment
[00:50:42] <robin_sz> heh
[00:50:48] <robin_sz> who was nto happy?
[00:50:54] <les> I flew from chicago to indianapolis abit to work on powder
[00:50:56] <robin_sz> the verndors or ITW?
[00:51:04] <les> itw
[00:51:09] <robin_sz> well,
[00:51:19] <robin_sz> just tell them you drove ..
[00:51:32] <robin_sz> tick the "5 litrs or more" box onthe form
[00:51:53] <les> I ended up putting it on expense account and calling it just "transportation expense"
[00:51:53] <robin_sz> whats an archer? IO-360?
[00:51:59] <les> yeah.
[00:53:04] <robin_sz> right .. bedtime
[00:53:06] <les> can actually fill the seats with full fuel if it is not to warm out
[00:53:10] <les> ok
[00:53:12] <les> nighty
[00:53:15] <robin_sz> eh
[00:53:16] <robin_sz> heh
[00:53:24] <robin_sz> OK .. just dont crash :)
[00:53:30] <robin_sz> right .. gone.
[00:53:47] <les> Like I always told passengers...
[00:54:06] <les> " I promise to probably not crash"
[00:54:12] <les> heheh
[00:55:25] <les> ok enough of this airplane stuff...BUY TRACTOR..now.
[01:00:56] <dmess> no... new airplane...
[01:01:04] <les> heh
[01:01:21] <les> messin with my head...I do love to fly
[01:01:32] <dmess> fly low to mow the grass...
[01:01:42] <les> most expensive useless toy...
[01:01:48] <les> but I love it
[01:01:55] <dmess> more speed fewrer passes
[01:02:19] <dmess> its all about speeds and feeds...
[01:02:26] <les> heh
[01:02:54] <dmess> how fast does the tractor go??
[01:02:56] <les> I have often thought about the plane to see my kids in florida....
[01:03:05] <les> 8 hr drive
[01:03:09] <les> 3 hr flight
[01:03:22] <dmess> and you havent flown it??
[01:03:25] <les> but rarely vfr
[01:03:30] <les> nope
[01:04:01] <les> I would get stuck somewhere dur to weather for sure
[01:04:14] <les> at least in the summer
[01:04:19] <dmess> fly faster.. you could do it
[01:04:28] <les> heh
[01:04:39] <dmess> fly higher...
[01:04:51] <dmess> longer... stronger...
[01:05:03] <les> I did vero beach to eleuthera bahamas once
[01:05:08] <dmess> be better than you were
[01:05:08] <les> really dumb
[01:05:38] <les> after 20 min out...engine quits and you are dead
[01:05:43] <dmess> over water... were you set up for it??
[01:05:52] <les> oh I could ditch ok
[01:06:01] <les> but they won't find you
[01:06:32] <les> I had life raft...paperwork to cross the ADIZ etc
[01:06:45] <les> ELT
[01:06:56] <dmess> oh... comin' in from los angelees.... bringing in a couple a kee's
[01:07:30] <les> They took the seat cushions and stuff out at customs when I came back
[01:08:00] <dmess> dont check my plane if you please MR customs man...
[01:08:29] <dmess> they would..
[01:08:48] <les> As soon as I landed over there Guys came up and said "hey mon want to make some big money?"
[01:09:14] <dmess> sure.. just fly this to usa...
[01:09:15] <les> and they wre bahamas customs guys
[01:09:23] <les> prob a sting huh?
[01:09:57] <dmess> good way to find out who they're dealing with..
[01:10:47] <les> brb phone
[01:45:00] <LawrenceG> anyone alive tonight?
[01:45:37] <les> hi lawrence
[01:45:57] <LawrenceG> hi less... how things hanging in the south?
[01:46:04] <les> aw ok
[01:46:13] <LawrenceG> opps... sri Les
[01:46:23] <les> haha
[01:46:47] <LawrenceG> I have been playing with emc2 here.... goo luck so far
[01:47:04] <les> busy...have some r&d contracts...and som ewood production as well
[01:47:30] <les> I need to switch to my computer glasses
[01:47:48] <les> I cannot touch type
[01:47:50] <LawrenceG> step/dir is very limited in speed, but phase drive is working very well ... up to 30ipm with 8000cpi axis on a 733mhz box
[01:48:03] <les> good
[01:49:21] <les> I am looking at a simple 3 axis pick and place here,,, I have 40,000 pick/place operations to do for production
[01:49:23] <LawrenceG> very smooth to... hooked it up to 3 piezeo buzzers and the scope and spent quit a bit of time figuring out how to tune it for best performance.... really sings
[01:49:30] <les> plc stuff I think though
[01:49:42] <les> pretty simple
[01:50:06] <LawrenceG> how big are the bits to need to pick and place?
[01:50:56] <les> turkey calls...3.75" diameter hockry pucks basically
[01:51:11] <les> need to automate painting
[01:51:26] <les> I cannot find a spray painter to hire here
[01:52:17] <les> just a simple theta radius z would do
[01:52:20] <LawrenceG> I wish I was closer.... would love to get my hands dirty...
[01:52:58] <les> rack and pinion with thomson hollow shafts...
[01:53:14] <les> I did it in motioneering already
[01:53:33] <les> 0.5 sec pick/place seems no peoblem
[01:53:40] <les> problem
[01:54:10] <LawrenceG> any chance you have skype installed? (voip stuff)
[01:54:24] <les> sure
[01:54:54] <LawrenceG> I am known as ve7it- dash needed as there needs to be 6 chars
[01:55:11] <LawrenceG> or I can call you
[01:55:28] <les> try skype
[01:55:35] <les> leswatts
[01:56:00] <les> let me call you
[01:56:32] <LawrenceG> ringing...
[01:57:02] <LawrenceG> opps... got a busy
[01:57:06] <les> oops
[01:57:14] <les> try again please
[01:57:42] <LawrenceG> ding along
[02:12:33] <Jymmm> I'll be damn... Wood powder coating
[02:16:55] <Jymmm> http://www.doable.com/WoodPowderCoating.htm
[02:16:57] <Jymmm> *****
[04:13:54] <deedra> {global notice} Hi all! We need to shut down our major european hub for an emergency fsck. If all goes well, this should not take long. However, it's going to be rather noisy and messy. We apologize for the inconvenience, and thank you for using freenode!
[07:32:24] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep abuses root with a rudely shaped turnip.
[07:33:00] <Phydbleep> root: You shouldn't irc as 'root'.
[07:34:07] <root> i thought i fixed that just now (1st time ever in irc but i caught that) is it fixed? i set the nick in KSirc prefs
[07:34:27] <root> hmm, the list say i didnt fix it
[07:36:19] <Phydbleep> Not as root with a different niock either.. create a regular user or you're begging for a security breach.
[07:36:52] <Phydbleep> s/njiock/nick
[07:40:20] <Phydbleep> Nope.. Your still showing as (~root@
[07:41:12] <Phydbleep> try 'adduser staggerlytom' then 'su staggerlytom' then start your irc app from there.
[07:41:41] <staggerlytom> better now? my list says staggerlytom
[07:42:23] <Phydbleep> /whois staggerlytom
[07:42:27] <Phydbleep> * [staggerlytom] (~root@ Thomas J Powderly
[07:42:27] <Phydbleep> * [staggerlytom] #emc
[07:42:27] <Phydbleep> * [staggerlytom] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[07:42:27] <Phydbleep> * [staggerlytom] idle 00:00:16, signon: Sun Jun 19 01:06:49
[07:42:27] <Phydbleep> * [staggerlytom] End of WHOIS list.
[07:42:48] <Phydbleep> it's the ~root that's the giveaway.
[07:46:28] <staggerlytom> i see a couple dozen people in the nickname list, but no conversation, is everythng private?
[07:47:01] <Phydbleep> staggerlytom: Actually you shouldn't be logged in as root at all unless you're doing system maintenance.
[07:47:18] <Phydbleep> Nope, Just dead in here right now.
[07:47:47] <staggerlytom> sorry, i didnt getthat i could be staggerlytom AND be root, bye for now, back to rtfm.
[09:29:54] <A-L-P-H-A> o-la
[09:33:54] <robin_sz> meep?
[09:40:50] <anonimasu_> morning folks
[09:42:04] <ValarQ> morning
[09:43:27] <anonimasu_> what's up?
[09:43:31] <robin_sz> sky
[09:43:39] <anonimasu_> nice
[09:43:43] <anonimasu_> I'd be scared if it were down
[09:44:20] <anonimasu_> hm I found somthing nice http://www.machinist-toolbox.com/qcode.htm
[09:45:56] <anonimasu_> or wel, somthing worth having a look at
[09:46:31] <anonimasu_> hm no..
[09:47:38] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ needs a pocketing routine
[09:48:04] <anonimasu_> hm I wonder if emc can do canned cycles
[09:50:48] <anonimasu_> ValarQ: you've been messing with dxf's havent you?
[09:52:24] <robin_sz> ick. stoneage.
[09:52:54] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: give me a format that's easy to import..
[09:52:59] <robin_sz> compared to stuff like VisualMill ...
[09:53:09] <robin_sz> whats wrong with VisualMill?
[09:53:41] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: hacking a program togther in 25s at the mill is faster..
[09:54:02] <anonimasu_> and visualmill outputs too small stuff..
[09:54:10] <robin_sz> too small stuff?
[09:54:14] <anonimasu_> yeah
[09:54:16] <anonimasu_> I havent found out why
[09:54:21] <robin_sz> wtf does that mean?
[09:54:23] <robin_sz> too small stuff?
[09:54:31] <anonimasu_> It does make all parts undersize
[09:54:46] <jacky^> hi all
[09:54:54] <robin_sz> makes the pocekts undersize?
[09:54:59] <anonimasu_> everything
[09:55:10] <robin_sz> that cannot be true
[09:55:16] <anonimasu_> it can be true :)
[09:55:27] <anonimasu_> everything except the Z axis
[09:55:33] <robin_sz> so .. a 50mm block with a 20mm hole ..
[09:55:44] <anonimasu_> ends up 2mm smaller.. :)
[09:55:48] <robin_sz> it makes the block 48mm and the hole 19mm?
[09:56:02] <anonimasu_> yeah
[09:56:12] <robin_sz> weird as fsck then ..
[09:56:19] <anonimasu_> there might be somthing wrong with my post though
[09:56:27] <robin_sz> if you said the block 52 and the hole 19 I could understand it
[09:56:47] <anonimasu_> that's still unacceptable
[09:56:53] <anonimasu_> the parts I handcode gets exact
[09:56:54] <anonimasu_> :)
[09:56:56] <robin_sz> no thats perfect
[09:57:12] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[09:57:12] <asdfqwega> See
[09:57:12] <robin_sz> thats *exactly* what it is supposed to do
[09:57:26] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: howcome?
[09:57:31] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: so I can hand grind them to spec
[09:57:55] <robin_sz> no .. because you used 3axis milling -> horizontal roughing
[09:58:13] <robin_sz> if you do that, by defult it leaves 0.6mm extra
[09:58:26] <robin_sz> pockets end up small, blocks end up big
[09:58:29] <anonimasu_> does not help
[09:58:39] <robin_sz> its perfectr
[09:58:47] <robin_sz> then you run a finishing pass
[09:59:04] <anonimasu_> actually that might be right
[09:59:08] <robin_sz> such as paralell finishing
[09:59:14] <robin_sz> or, if you want to do it in one
[09:59:22] <anonimasu_> it's probably 1,2 at each side..
[09:59:26] <anonimasu_> :)
[09:59:28] <anonimasu_> thanks!
[09:59:42] <robin_sz> set material allownce to zero in roughing
[10:00:32] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ faints
[10:00:37] <anonimasu_> I am being stupid
[10:00:38] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:00:52] <robin_sz> shrug :)
[10:01:09] <anonimasu_> I wonder if there are any books about algorithms like pocketing
[10:01:14] <robin_sz> im pretty good with VM, so ask any questions
[10:01:30] <anonimasu_> now when we are at it can you explain why visualmill rapids into my work instead of slowly plunging into it.
[10:01:36] <anonimasu_> at like 1500mm/min
[10:01:36] <anonimasu_> ;)
[10:01:56] <robin_sz> set the stock up correctly?
[10:02:05] <anonimasu_> that's already done
[10:02:06] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:02:20] <robin_sz> feeds and speeds menu?
[10:02:23] <anonimasu_> I've added "part box stock"
[10:02:29] <robin_sz> ahh.
[10:02:36] <robin_sz> thaqts OK
[10:02:41] <anonimasu_> and got the zero set at a edge of the piece
[10:02:45] <anonimasu_> and set up my plunge feed.. to 15mm/min
[10:02:46] <robin_sz> right
[10:03:23] <robin_sz> and your stock matches your actual stock?
[10:03:26] <anonimasu_> yes
[10:03:30] <robin_sz> 'k
[10:03:47] <robin_sz> and you used 3axis roughing?
[10:03:53] <jacky^> morning
[10:04:01] <anonimasu_> no 2 axis pocketing
[10:04:04] <robin_sz> ahh
[10:04:09] <ValarQ> anonimasu_: nope, i have never touched dxf
[10:04:17] <anonimasu_> ValarQ: ok
[10:04:17] <robin_sz> that assumes you have roughed it first
[10:04:30] <anonimasu_> hm strange
[10:04:47] <robin_sz> did you slect the walls and the base of the pocket?
[10:04:56] <robin_sz> or just the base?
[10:05:13] <robin_sz> sometimes what you select has an effect
[10:05:14] <anonimasu_> the lines I use as walls..
[10:05:22] <robin_sz> try selecting the top surface insted
[10:05:29] <robin_sz> hmmm
[10:05:44] <robin_sz> not done any lines and stuff ..
[10:05:48] <anonimasu_> wouldnt that pocket the outside of my stuff?
[10:05:57] <robin_sz> I just import iges files from SW
[10:06:15] <robin_sz> dunno
[10:06:23] <robin_sz> it sounds like a selection problem ...
[10:06:26] <anonimasu_> I do the same
[10:06:30] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:07:53] <anonimasu_> isnt there a way to rough a pocket with 3 axis?
[10:08:27] <robin_sz> yeah, mormally I just rough the whole thing ... and it does the right thing ...
[10:08:42] <anonimasu_> hm ok
[10:08:51] <robin_sz> then I go through and apply finishing to various areas
[10:09:02] <anonimasu_> what operations do you use?
[10:09:23] <robin_sz> mainly parallele finishing, becasue most of what I do is tru 3d organic shapes
[10:09:40] <anonimasu_> yeah but for the roughing
[10:09:41] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:09:51] <robin_sz> 3axis .. horizontal roughing
[10:09:57] <robin_sz> first choice on the menu
[10:10:45] <robin_sz> I use a 12mm ball ended mill, rough and then finish with the same cutter
[10:10:51] <robin_sz> saves arsing about :)
[10:11:21] <robin_sz> heres a tip ...
[10:11:53] <robin_sz> in the "browser" window .. machining ops ...
[10:12:02] <robin_sz> see the "hammer" icon?
[10:12:11] <anonimasu_> yeah
[10:12:20] <robin_sz> thats useful ..
[10:12:29] <robin_sz> you get a code window on the right ...
[10:12:58] <robin_sz> see those "select an area" options on the right?
[10:13:03] <anonimasu_> yeah
[10:13:09] <robin_sz> you can chose some bits of toolpath ...
[10:13:18] <robin_sz> and then delete them visuualy
[10:13:23] <anonimasu_> hm, my comp is still creating a toopath for me
[10:13:27] <robin_sz> or delete the rest
[10:13:32] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[10:13:32] <anonimasu_> nice
[10:13:53] <robin_sz> useful for "just finish this bit" or "rough here"
[10:14:15] <robin_sz> and "dont try and rough the work clamps"
[10:14:26] <anonimasu_> I use the vise for most stuff
[10:14:32] <anonimasu_> for as much as I can
[10:14:43] <robin_sz> I must show you my box of milled clamps some day :)
[10:14:47] <anonimasu_> I havent gotten around to making a fixture ;)
[10:15:00] <anonimasu_> I milled a clamp at 1,5m/min
[10:15:04] <anonimasu_> a bit ago..
[10:15:09] <robin_sz> wait .. i have pictures :)
[10:15:16] <anonimasu_> :D
[10:15:39] <robin_sz> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/photos/upload/misc/
[10:15:46] <robin_sz> 44, 45, 46 ...
[10:16:00] <robin_sz> routing and clamps ... not being destryed
[10:16:05] <robin_sz> but you get the idea
[10:16:35] <anonimasu_> nice
[10:16:54] <robin_sz> 47 is my press :)
[10:17:15] <robin_sz> 48,49 ... winding toroids
[10:17:58] <robin_sz> 53->59 my swiss office :)
[10:18:21] <anonimasu_> neat
[10:18:22] <anonimasu_> :)
[10:19:17] <robin_sz> 40 my son wearing his underpants on his head ... I'll keep that for when he has a girlfriend :)
[10:19:39] <anonimasu_> :D
[10:19:42] <anonimasu_> testing the hammer now
[10:20:15] <robin_sz> wow .. that took ages to create the toolpath ...
[10:20:33] <robin_sz> is a 33mhz 386?
[10:20:47] <anonimasu_> a 3.4
[10:20:48] <anonimasu_> ;)
[10:20:59] <anonimasu_> mhz
[10:21:11] <robin_sz> upgrade to a 4mhz then ;)
[10:21:23] <anonimasu_> it's a laptop..
[10:21:23] <anonimasu_> heh
[10:21:34] <anonimasu_> I think windows eats like 3 of thoose for the idle stuff
[10:21:40] <robin_sz> yeah
[10:21:46] <robin_sz> and antivirus and ..
[10:21:52] <anonimasu_> that's what I am installing now
[10:21:55] <robin_sz> oh, doze question
[10:22:00] <robin_sz> I have a laptop
[10:22:00] <anonimasu_> was going to play ut yesterday at a friends place
[10:22:10] <anonimasu_> I had 15fps
[10:22:18] <anonimasu_> with framedrops every 30 s
[10:22:18] <robin_sz> with .. NT server 2003 pro plus blah
[10:22:34] <robin_sz> and .. it has a login
[10:22:44] <robin_sz> for which I am not the password having
[10:23:03] <anonimasu_> :/
[10:23:07] <robin_sz> no floppy
[10:23:16] <robin_sz> bios wont boot from CD
[10:23:24] <anonimasu_> flash memory?
[10:23:27] <anonimasu_> err usb
[10:23:33] <robin_sz> nah, too old
[10:23:35] <robin_sz> p166
[10:23:46] <anonimasu_> ah ok
[10:23:53] <robin_sz> would make a passable machine for the kids
[10:24:17] <anonimasu_> yeah
[10:24:27] <robin_sz> if I could boot into soemthing useful
[10:24:33] <robin_sz> any clues ?
[10:24:34] <anonimasu_> linux would be great :)
[10:24:42] <anonimasu_> stick the hdd into somthing else..
[10:24:47] <robin_sz> disk drive out
[10:24:48] <anonimasu_> and dd a bootdisk to it ;)
[10:24:48] <robin_sz> yeah
[10:24:50] <robin_sz> figured
[10:25:06] <robin_sz> I wondered if there was a magic "boot into safe mode" trick for NT
[10:25:18] <anonimasu_> hm, yeah but I think you still need the password
[10:25:22] <robin_sz> bugger
[10:25:35] <anonimasu_> F8 during boot should give you the menu
[10:25:50] <robin_sz> yeah, but no useful options
[10:25:58] <anonimasu_> heh
[10:26:01] <robin_sz> nt or nt
[10:26:04] <anonimasu_> ctrl + shift + f8
[10:26:12] <anonimasu_> the menu should appear after that
[10:26:20] <robin_sz> I'kll try
[10:26:40] <robin_sz> right, later ..
[10:26:50] <robin_sz> best go before I waste my day on IRC ;)
[11:43:37] <jacky^> anyone has tried artcam cad ?
[12:05:02] <asdfqwega> If anyone's interested: http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/index.html
[12:07:38] <asdfqwega> paul_c: heya hiya howya doin'
[12:08:51] <paul_c> got as far as the TOOL messages...
[13:05:43] <paul_c> Moring Ray.
[13:05:50] <rayh> Hi Paul
[13:06:04] <paul_c> (insert n's were appropriate)
[13:06:33] <rayh> Johnk and DaveE are here at retroFest already.
[13:06:50] <paul_c> was about to ask if anyone else was with you..
[13:06:53] <rayh> Got the network setup last night so here we are.
[13:07:17] <rayh> Nice job on the EMC graphic.
[13:08:05] <paul_c> fenn has a hole in his understanding of how EMC links together.
[13:08:11] <asdfqwega> rayh: wish I was there
[13:08:23] <paul_c> that little image should help
[13:08:40] <rayh> He'll be here but I don't know exactly when.
[13:08:46] <paul_c> even although it misses out the error reporting channels.
[13:08:53] <asdfqwega> but I'm a little busy with doing my own retrofit right now :)
[13:09:12] <rayh> What you working on?
[13:09:36] <paul_c> Alex has been doing a lot of work on mapping out the NML messages....
[13:09:51] <paul_c> I'm just collating the data with some of my notes
[13:10:40] <rayh> Good. No "sacred cows" left once we begin working on nml.
[13:10:52] <paul_c> Got some ideas for improving the usr space code
[13:11:29] <rayh> What you thinking?
[13:11:34] <paul_c> Removes a number of existing NML messages, and adds a couple of new ones....
[13:12:16] <paul_c> but there are two or three changes that need to be made in the RT code for this to work....
[13:12:33] <rayh> How so?
[13:13:00] <paul_c> Error reporting & handling is one area....
[13:13:24] <rayh> Okay. That needs some work.
[13:13:59] <paul_c> currently, task does a number of tests based on ON/OFF, coordinated/free
[13:14:15] <rayh> Right.
[13:14:16] <paul_c> and the same tests are applied at the motion level.
[13:14:41] <rayh> Really. Didn't know that.
[13:15:03] <paul_c> current line of thought: Pass all motion messages down to motion and let any errors propogate up from there.
[13:16:17] <rayh> I can see that.
[13:16:52] <paul_c> also discussed with Alex the practabilities (lunacy ?) of encapsulating HAL data in NML messages
[13:17:22] <rayh> Would that affect motion and IO if they are in sync?
[13:17:53] <paul_c> HAL<->NML<->HAL ?
[13:18:35] <rayh> You could easily get a race condition between HAL and user processes.
[13:18:57] <rayh> oops. Gotta run to town for breakfast with the guys.
[13:19:05] <rayh> Be back in an hour or so.
[13:19:06] <paul_c> there is also the problem of HAL pins/signals being of a freeform nature
[13:19:18] <rayh> Good talking with you.
[13:19:18] <paul_c> one last comment before you go...
[13:19:33] <rayh> Way messy.
[13:19:52] <rayh> k
[13:19:56] <paul_c> JMK is going to have to work with us if this NML/usr restructure is to work
[13:20:19] <rayh> I can see that.
[13:21:04] <paul_c> do ya think you can get him to agree rather than (bluntly) constantly pissing up his own tree ?
[13:22:05] <paul_c> * paul_c runs off for dinner.
[13:36:13] <anonimasu_> hello
[13:42:46] <alex_joni> greetings
[13:43:31] <ValarQ> alex_joni: 'lo
[13:43:47] <alex_joni> what's up?
[13:44:08] <ValarQ> not much, making myself a cup of coffee...
[13:44:27] <alex_joni> nice
[13:44:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just finished bbq-ing
[13:45:33] <ValarQ> oh :)
[13:47:13] <alex_joni> how's the halgui stuff coming along?
[13:47:25] <ValarQ> it's on ice at the moment
[13:47:56] <alex_joni> why is that?
[13:47:59] <ValarQ> i'm giving my crap2g-code project higher priority
[13:48:12] <ValarQ> i wan't to be able to mill my cards
[13:48:22] <alex_joni> right
[13:48:37] <ValarQ> got it working pretty good thought
[13:52:07] <alex_joni> 'lo anonimasu_
[13:54:26] <anonimasu_> hey
[13:54:27] <anonimasu_> what's up?
[13:55:18] <alex_joni> not much
[13:55:23] <alex_joni> had a bbq
[13:55:28] <alex_joni> now I'm pretty stuffed ;)
[13:55:33] <alex_joni> preparing to drive home soon
[13:56:00] <anonimasu_> nice
[13:56:04] <alex_joni> yup
[13:56:04] <anonimasu_> I am preparing to go back out to a customer
[13:56:11] <anonimasu_> going to replace a sensor cable :)
[13:56:15] <alex_joni> same PLC stuff?
[13:56:20] <alex_joni> ahh. right
[13:56:23] <anonimasu_> ah yeah, but it's just a broken cable..
[13:56:27] <anonimasu_> to a limit sensor
[13:57:21] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:57:25] <anonimasu_> just had breakfast
[13:57:30] <anonimasu_> going to leave in a couple of minutes
[13:57:35] <alex_joni> heh.. not a bit late for that?
[13:58:17] <anonimasu_> nah
[13:58:25] <anonimasu_> I went to bed at 06:00 in the morning
[13:59:44] <alex_joni> heh.. 03 here ,)
[14:00:11] <anonimasu_> hm, I am considering sourcing some steppers off a old printer..
[14:00:18] <anonimasu_> or if I should just buy them new
[14:00:37] <anonimasu_> :)
[14:02:04] <alex_joni> I took mine off some old HDD's
[14:02:10] <alex_joni> but they are pretty fast ;)
[14:03:16] <anonimasu_> but would they be enough for a robot?
[14:03:23] <alex_joni> nah
[14:03:26] <alex_joni> not enough force
[14:03:31] <anonimasu_> :(
[14:03:31] <alex_joni> 5V motors
[14:03:44] <alex_joni> they were for moving the heads
[14:03:54] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[14:03:56] <alex_joni> printer would be the same
[14:03:56] <anonimasu_> well I need to go now
[14:04:01] <anonimasu_> I'll be back in a hour
[14:04:05] <anonimasu_> laters
[14:04:10] <alex_joni> depends on how big your robot is.. but I wouldn't think so
[14:04:13] <alex_joni> have fun ;)
[14:45:51] <rayh> Hi Alex
[14:46:08] <rayh> Oh he's gone. Wake up.
[14:46:25] <alex_joni> not gone
[14:46:28] <alex_joni> still here
[14:46:32] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[14:46:57] <alex_joni> long time no see..
[14:47:33] <rayh> You you doing today.
[14:48:02] <rayh> I'm at the retroFest with John,k and DaveE.
[14:48:10] <alex_joni> oh.. nice
[14:48:18] <alex_joni> greet them all from me
[14:48:18] <rayh> Tomorrow fenn and several others arrive as well.
[14:48:39] <paul_c> Arrrggg... fscking AUX_ESTOP_on/off messages - Idiotic !
[14:48:53] <alex_joni> no kidding ,)
[14:49:12] <alex_joni> just wait till you see EMC_LUBE_INIT_TYPE
[14:49:20] <paul_c> send an ABORT message that propogates through the system.
[14:49:37] <alex_joni> yeah.. but it changes the type about 3 times :D
[14:49:59] <alex_joni> rayh: seen http://www.robcon.ro/emc/mytoy/ ?
[14:50:27] <paul_c> You wanna see EMC_TASK_SET_STATE - Spawns five new messages
[14:50:54] <paul_c> * paul_c preps a kipper for jmk
[14:51:21] <alex_joni> hey John
[14:51:26] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: duck ;)
[14:51:47] <paul_c> alex_joni: That would be a fowl
[14:52:02] <alex_joni> a fowl? how so?
[14:52:27] <alex_joni> fscking LUBE messages don't get sent at all :(
[14:52:50] <alex_joni> only LUBE_ON by the GUI
[14:52:54] <paul_c> Lube messages do get sent.... but not to/from where you might expect
[14:52:56] <alex_joni> not from emccanon.cc
[14:53:11] <alex_joni> MIST comes from canon aswell
[14:53:15] <paul_c> tool module sends lube msgs
[14:53:15] <alex_joni> but LUBE doesn't
[14:53:29] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[14:53:33] <jmkasunich> if the kipper has NML written on it, /me throws it back
[14:54:18] <paul_c> ducks fly, kippers swim.
[14:54:21] <alex_joni> I see only 3 places where LUBE_ON gets sent
[14:54:33] <SWPadnos> I thought it was just me having a hard time with all these NML messages :)
[14:54:46] <alex_joni> emcprobe.cc, emcsh.cc and keystick
[14:55:03] <alex_joni> the bridgeporttool.cc only forwards it further
[14:55:17] <paul_c> lube messages also get sent by the tool module (trust me)
[14:55:31] <alex_joni> yes.. sent to the LUBE controller
[14:55:43] <alex_joni> if a LUBE message is received by the TOOL controller
[14:55:44] <paul_c> but wthfh does the HMI need to issue LUBE messages for ?
[14:55:50] <SWPadnos> TOOL_INIT causes LUBE_INIT and others
[14:55:56] <alex_joni> because no one else does
[14:56:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs to go home
[14:56:06] <alex_joni> later guys
[14:56:10] <alex_joni> in about 3h
[14:56:14] <paul_c> 'k
[14:56:25] <SWPadnos> see ya
[14:57:05] <jmkasunich> cradek: you here?
[15:01:38] <paul_c> jmkasunich: What are your coding plans for the next few days ?
[15:03:26] <jmkasunich> only things related to getting the Mazak running
[15:05:02] <paul_c> We have some ideas coming together about the way some of the NML messages are handled, error reporting from motion being one.
[15:08:05] <jmkasunich> mail might be better than IRC.... I'll be back and forth from computer to machine - we have a lot of wiring and mechanical stuff to do
[15:08:15] <jmkasunich> I'll leave the IRC on tho
[15:08:28] <SWPadnos> how's the network there?
[15:08:36] <jmkasunich> not bad
[15:13:24] <robin_sz> g'day ...
[15:13:56] <robin_sz> anyone happen to know how a V24 20ma current loop socket is normally wired on a 25pin?
[15:14:35] <robin_sz> * robin_sz assumes its much the same as RS232
[15:14:50] <steve_stallings> no standard exists, you get to guess
[15:15:26] <robin_sz> dang
[15:16:11] <robin_sz> I suddenly had the mad idea to dump all the data out of thei Bosch control before it has a bad hair day
[15:16:48] <steve_stallings> since 20 mA is a "safe" current for most LEDs, you can use one to probe for the current source and polarity
[15:16:59] <robin_sz> true
[15:18:05] <steve_stallings> are you OK with figuring out how to isolate loop and pass signal to RS-232?
[15:18:29] <robin_sz> mmmm, opto isolator?
[15:18:49] <robin_sz> into a MAX232?
[15:19:44] <steve_stallings> that will work fine, or if you are running a low baud rate you may be able to get away without the MAX 232, just let a pull up resistor do the job
[15:19:54] <robin_sz> yeah,
[15:19:57] <robin_sz> its 4800
[15:20:02] <robin_sz> practically DC
[15:21:04] <steve_stallings> you can get ugly surprises with a PC sometimes, I have seen poorly written software drop incoming characters at speeds above 1200 baud
[15:21:41] <rayh> SWPadnos: Were you the one that recommended the linksys wireless box?
[15:24:28] <robin_sz> oh, thanks to all those tips for getting Win95 to behave as DOS7
[15:24:55] <robin_sz> worked fine
[15:39:24] <SWPadnos> rayh, yes - that was my idea
[15:39:44] <SWPadnos> (sorry - cooking breakfast with the wife - about to eat now :) )
[15:42:19] <rayh> That was a great choice. Took Johnk a couple minutes to get it going.
[15:42:58] <rayh> we've got 29 open slots so you'll bring your pc's.
[15:43:03] <cradek> jmkasunich: yes
[15:45:17] <cradek> robin_sz: the original PC/XT async cards would do 20mA current loop - if you have isa slots, you could just get one of those
[15:46:07] <steve_stallings> Ray - are you already at the show site?
[15:47:38] <steve_stallings> How are we fixed for tables and power?
[15:51:57] <steve_stallings> Ray - are you already in Galesburg? What is the situation on tables and power?
[15:55:32] <paul_c> They have power....
[15:56:00] <steve_stallings> line shaft or AC?
[15:57:03] <paul_c> horse driven I think...
[15:57:25] <steve_stallings> careful to not step in the exhaust
[15:58:37] <rayh> Plenty of tables and plenty of power.
[15:58:56] <steve_stallings> thanks
[16:10:05] <robin_sz> cradek: thats not the problem .. the problem is figuring out the pinout on the connector
[16:11:32] <robin_sz> rayh: Art showed up yet?
[16:12:09] <rayh> Art. There is a little graffiti on the bathroom wall. Does that count?
[16:12:17] <robin_sz> kinda
[16:12:27] <rayh> Oh that art. I think thursday next
[16:12:31] <robin_sz> right
[16:12:41] <robin_sz> thursadya NEXT .. wow .. it is on for a long time
[16:13:06] <robin_sz> Fred Smith?
[16:13:40] <rayh> A week. We got here a bit early.
[16:14:10] <rayh> Oh the week rolled over so it's this coming thursday.
[16:14:21] <rayh> Fred is supposed to be here for the whole week.
[16:14:28] <robin_sz> right
[16:14:48] <rayh> Flashcut has two different crews here to man the week.
[16:16:29] <robin_sz> heh
[16:16:40] <robin_sz> never seen flashcut in action ... is it OK?
[16:17:16] <rayh> Not to bad. Roland does the retrofits of the Grizzly for them.
[16:17:34] <rayh> That is one of the projects he is demoing this week.
[16:18:21] <robin_sz> nice
[16:18:48] <robin_sz> john elson there?
[16:18:50] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh_sometimes
[16:23:56] <jmkasunich> cradek: I'm back
[16:24:20] <jmkasunich> I was wondering if my fix of your fix to the realtime script works on your rtlinux box
[16:24:48] <jmkasunich> if it does, there are some 'echo's in the script that I put in for debugging, they can be removed
[16:24:59] <cradek> jmkasunich: no time now, but I'll try it later and report back (or break it again for you!)
[16:30:26] <cradek> jmkasunich: no, it doesn't work
[16:30:33] <cradek> insmod: /usr/rtlinux-3.2-pre2/modules/rtl: No such file or directory
[16:30:33] <cradek> insmod: /usr/rtlinux-3.2-pre2/modules/mbuff: No such file or directory
[16:30:33] <cradek> insmod: /usr/rtlinux-3.2-pre2/modules/rtl_time: No such file or directory
[16:30:34] <cradek> ...
[16:31:19] <jmkasunich> damn
[16:31:41] <cradek> I still haven't rebooted since I porked mbuff - doing that now
[16:32:15] <cradek> does that work on your system: insmod /full/path/to/objectfile without .o?
[16:32:30] <jmkasunich> that stuff is needed because for rtai, rtai_ksched is a symlink to either rtai_up, or rtai_smp
[16:32:57] <jmkasunich> the script should be getting the full name with the o (or ko)
[16:33:08] <jmkasunich> what do the echo's tell you?
[16:33:21] <cradek> # remove the .o from the end
[16:33:22] <cradek> MOD="${TMP%$MODULE_EXT}"
[16:33:32] <steve_stallings> JMK - Does HAL have a PWM component? I just got a prototype speed control interface running and it is commanded by PWM.
[16:33:48] <cradek> jmkasunich: I bet you meant to take that out
[16:33:59] <jmkasunich> steve: not yet.. hard to do fine PWM with a 20-40KHz interrupt
[16:34:18] <jmkasunich> cradek: I don't recall seeing that anywhere
[16:34:18] <cradek> jmkasunich: but why don't you just modprobe rtai_ksched and let the symlink do its job?
[16:34:37] <cradek> jmkasunich: it's definitely there
[16:34:55] <jmkasunich> because it gets fubared up when you try to rmmod it, rmmod needs to know the real name of the module, not the linked name
[16:35:10] <cradek> ahhh
[16:35:12] <jmkasunich> stand by a moment, gotta start a bdi install, then I'll have a few mins
[16:35:37] <robin_sz> mmmm .. storm brewing
[16:36:10] <jmkasunich> damn BDI ;-)
[16:36:13] <jmkasunich> is paul around?
[16:36:25] <CIA-10> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: this might be the last fix for this symlink detection stuff...?
[16:36:26] <robin_sz> he was ...
[16:37:05] <jmkasunich> keyboard works fine in BIOS setup, and even to type "text" at the grub prompt, but during the actual install (X or ncurses) the keboard doesn't work
[16:37:06] <SWPadnos> which BDI?
[16:37:18] <jmkasunich> Ray's getting another kb to try
[16:37:21] <jmkasunich> 4.20
[16:37:22] <SWPadnos> (and why damned? :) )
[16:37:28] <cradek> jmkasunich: do you have a ps2 mouse plugged in?
[16:37:33] <jmkasunich> yeah
[16:38:12] <jmkasunich> first time (X install) I got as far as the screen where you specify the root password
[16:38:15] <cradek> ok, I've had problems with the (very old) keyboards that I like shutting down when the software probes for the ps2 mouse (if there isn't one)
[16:38:29] <jmkasunich> of course the ncurses attempt got nowhere
[16:38:55] <SWPadnos> I assume that you're sure the CD is good ...
[16:39:45] <jmkasunich> not sure about anything....
[16:39:57] <SWPadnos> get Ray to burn another one ;)
[16:43:25] <jmkasunich> replacement keyboard seems to have fixed it
[16:44:42] <CIA-10> 03cradek * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: this might be the last fix for this symlink detection stuff...?
[16:44:44] <cradek> grr
[16:44:48] <jmkasunich> (Roland's keyboard was one of those weird ones with a bunch of extra keys, apparently the kb driver that is part of the install kernel can't deal with it
[16:45:37] <jmkasunich> fscking weird keyboards ;-)
[16:46:22] <Jymmm> Anyone know what application would open a *.cad file?
[16:46:33] <Jymmm> I THINK it's BobCad, but I'm not sure.
[16:47:55] <cradek> http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=cad&Submit3=Go%21
[16:48:09] <cradek> Compact Arena Definition files describe level maps for the first-person shooter Inago Rage.
[16:48:23] <cradek> Autodesk QuickCAD CAD Drawing
[16:48:31] <steve_stallings> JMK - the PWM resolution would not be a problem, I am only running a 100 Hz frame rate and 6 to 8 bits is OK
[16:48:32] <cradek> Softdesk Drafix CAD File
[16:49:48] <Jymmm> Thanks Chris, too bad I dont' have any of those! LOL
[16:51:31] <jmkasunich> filtering to analog, or actually switching power devices?
[16:51:56] <jmkasunich> if you are filtering to analog, check out freqgen mode 1
[16:52:19] <jmkasunich> generates up/down pulses... send them to a diff amp and filter for +/- analog out
[16:54:12] <jmkasunich> cradek:
[16:54:49] <jmkasunich> the two variables MODULES_LOAD and MODULES_UNLOAD should just be lists of modules, without .o or .ko
[16:55:21] <jmkasunich> I think ;-)
[16:55:41] <jmkasunich> if the extension needs to be passed to insmod, that should be done in the Load() function
[16:56:42] <steve_stallings> speed control connects in place of pot on VFD or DC speed controller, e.g. Harbor Freight etc.
[16:56:45] <SWPadnos> jmkasunich, would it be possible to find modules to unload by using lsmod | grep | awk?
[16:56:48] <robin_sz> but there are much more efficient ways of doing analogue?
[16:57:01] <mshaver_away> mshaver_away is now known as mshaver
[16:57:13] <steve_stallings> opto-isolated PWM goes to integrator, analog is 0 to Vpot to emulator wiper of pot
[16:57:32] <steve_stallings> watchdog shuts down if no PWM
[16:57:41] <robin_sz> possible ..
[16:57:56] <mshaver> steve_stallings: HEY! e-mail me your phone #s so we can talk briefly about our trip tomorrow...
[16:58:07] <robin_sz> im using some opto-isolated D - A
[16:58:26] <robin_sz> and A to D
[16:58:30] <mshaver> * mshaver and steve are driving out to Roland's place tomorrow evening
[16:59:02] <Jymmm> MAX222 wouldn't work, would it?
[17:02:15] <Jymmm> err 232
[17:02:52] <Jymmm> nm me, I'm thinking something else.
[17:03:22] <cradek> jmkasunich: I thought that was what I had written the first time (keep what's after the last slash but before the extension)
[17:03:36] <cradek> you changed it to keep what's after the last space
[17:20:36] <mshaver> paul_c: I stumbled upon alex's NML spreadsheet files - GREAT stuff!
[17:23:37] <paul_c> mshaver: Wait till you see al the data
[17:27:09] <mshaver> paul_c: yep, I got the feeling that this is a work in progress - a great work - making a lot of progress - can't wait to see the results
[17:28:02] <Jymmm> mshaver : paul_c is such a tease, isn't he!
[17:28:42] <mshaver> Jymmm: the anticipation is part of the pleasure ;)
[17:28:47] <paul_c> It is a precursor to a rationalisation of the NML messages...
[17:29:12] <anonimasu_> iab
[17:29:13] <Jymmm> It's like a girl that'll change her clothes in front of you but says "I just want to be friends". DOH!
[17:29:48] <Jymmm> anonimasu WB, we missed you!
[17:30:22] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: thanks
[17:30:37] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ has been working since he woke up
[17:31:01] <Jymmm> anonimasu washing dishes?
[17:31:14] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: went out to a customer to replace a sensor cable
[17:31:22] <Jymmm> anonimasu Ah.
[17:31:37] <Jymmm> on a sunday?
[17:31:40] <anonimasu_> yeah
[17:31:46] <mshaver> this is one of the major "cruft" areas left - all that code had to be imported into emc2 in order to make it work right away, but now it can be cleaned up and sorted out in a logical fashion - understanding the current way that it works is a big achievement necessary before it can be fixed
[17:31:53] <Jymmm> @50/hr service call I hope.
[17:32:03] <Jymmm> $250/hr service call I hope.
[17:32:07] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: I dont know really
[17:32:19] <Jymmm> anonimasu Oh, for work. I thought for you.
[17:32:44] <anonimasu_> I'll arrange it somehow ;)
[17:33:06] <Jymmm> anonimasu : I though it was one of YOUR customers, not your employeers.
[17:33:18] <anonimasu_> it's a customer..
[17:33:27] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: although it's a customer of my father's company..
[17:33:40] <Jymmm> Ah, I get it now =)
[17:33:43] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: I dont see any numbers.. or if it's included support..
[17:33:57] <anonimasu_> anyway it dosent really matter.. I make enough money not to care about working some more..
[17:34:42] <mshaver> * mshaver will be back in a while...
[17:34:48] <Jymmm> If the client is cool, no sweat. But if the client is all freaking out on you, then change em a PITA tax.
[17:34:51] <mshaver> mshaver is now known as mshaver_away
[17:35:02] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[17:35:12] <Jymmm> that'll help pay for the shrink or ammo.
[17:35:36] <Jymmm> for me, gun range is cheap therapy.
[17:35:47] <Jymmm> HUGE stress reliever.
[17:39:27] <anonimasen> anonimasen is now known as anonimasu_
[17:39:40] <robin_sz> that reminds me .. must do some work on my shooting wiki
[17:40:07] <robin_sz> and ...
[17:40:30] <robin_sz> must remind fenn to add a "creative commons" license to his copy of the wiki
[17:41:49] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4387951773
[17:41:51] <robin_sz> me want
[17:42:00] <robin_sz> for 2 reasons
[17:42:15] <robin_sz> 1 its quiet. my current screw compressor is noisy
[17:42:37] <robin_sz> 2 it will use about HALF the energy ... the place is getting too damn hot.
[17:47:50] <anonimasu_> looks really nice
[17:47:51] <anonimasu_> :)
[17:55:44] <alex_joni> good evening
[18:00:19] <SWPadnos> evenin' Alex
[18:00:37] <alex_joni> how's stuff?
[18:00:48] <SWPadnos> stuff is OK :)
[18:01:03] <alex_joni> nice
[18:01:21] <alex_joni> where did you guys get with the NML messages?
[18:01:44] <SWPadnos> I dodn't get too far - I did manage to get Wource Navigator installed yesterday, though :)
[18:01:56] <SWPadnos> I'm starting from the end of the list, working up
[18:02:03] <alex_joni> ok
[18:02:27] <alex_joni> I'm at 1505 right now
[18:02:42] <SWPadnos> of course, that means I start with EMC_STAT_TYPE, which is used everywhere :)
[18:03:08] <alex_joni> right ;)
[18:03:10] <SWPadnos> wow - you're almost done - sorry I wasn't more help
[18:03:20] <alex_joni> no problem, paul_c did a lot too
[18:03:30] <alex_joni> speaking of which..
[18:03:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni tosses a kipper at paul_c
[18:04:04] <SWPadnos> one day I'll have enough experience with these tools (and the emc source) that it will actually be faster to have me help than not ;)
[18:05:33] <robin_sz> and just what are you doing with the nml messages?
[18:05:40] <robin_sz> cataloguing them?
[18:05:46] <alex_joni> first yes
[18:05:54] <alex_joni> then cleaning up any unused
[18:05:59] <robin_sz> wow
[18:06:01] <alex_joni> then merging some of the left
[18:06:10] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[18:06:17] <alex_joni> about 20 max should be left after this
[18:06:20] <robin_sz> thats a start :)
[18:06:22] <robin_sz> 20:
[18:06:26] <robin_sz> !!
[18:06:27] <alex_joni> 10-20
[18:06:31] <alex_joni> I aim for 10 ,)
[18:06:35] <robin_sz> wow
[18:06:41] <alex_joni> not sure that's possible without a lot of rewrite
[18:06:46] <alex_joni> but 20 is definately a possibility
[18:06:49] <robin_sz> certainly a step in the right direction
[18:07:00] <alex_joni> a LOT of goals are there
[18:07:14] <alex_joni> but we'll see what is actually ok to do
[18:07:28] <alex_joni> e.g. doesn't involve too much overhead for little gain
[18:07:33] <anonimasu_> wb alex
[18:07:38] <robin_sz> 10 to 20 would make it possible to develop the thing ...
[18:08:08] <robin_sz> I'm stunned that you mamanged to get the required cooperation to attempt the task
[18:08:08] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[18:08:13] <alex_joni> fixed that cable ?
[18:08:16] <anonimasu_> yeah
[18:08:21] <alex_joni> robin_sz: ;-)
[18:08:31] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: had to go back twice, there was somthing wrong inside of the cable..
[18:08:41] <alex_joni> we work with what we've got
[18:09:06] <robin_sz> I once had the wiremen pull in about 200m of thick multicore ..
[18:09:13] <robin_sz> like .. 60 core ..
[18:09:26] <robin_sz> under floors, through walls ...
[18:09:32] <Jymmm> robin_sz but you're sadistic like that =)
[18:09:33] <robin_sz> and it didn't work ...
[18:09:46] <robin_sz> eventually, after LOTS of messing about ..
[18:09:55] <robin_sz> we found alump in the cable ...
[18:10:00] <robin_sz> cut it open ..
[18:10:13] <robin_sz> the cires were tied together
[18:10:16] <robin_sz> cores
[18:10:19] <alex_joni> there was a rat inside
[18:10:21] <alex_joni> ;)
[18:10:27] <alex_joni> ahh.. only cores
[18:10:31] <Jymmm> and a continuity test wouldn't have determined that?
[18:10:40] <robin_sz> determined what?
[18:10:58] <Jymmm> there was an issue with the new cable?
[18:11:07] <robin_sz> yes, it did
[18:11:18] <robin_sz> finding the issue is another matter
[18:11:41] <Jymmm> Ok, so you ran new cable, then found there was a problem with it still?
[18:11:52] <robin_sz> sigh
[18:12:02] <robin_sz> no ..we found the fualt in the cable and fixed it
[18:12:20] <robin_sz> you dont take 200m of cable out again when its through walls, under floors etc
[18:12:46] <robin_sz> just ran a TDR from each end ...
[18:12:53] <Jymmm> you said a rat, like with wiskers and all was IN the cable, or had eaten the new cable?
[18:13:02] <robin_sz> who said a rat?
[18:13:07] <anonimasu_> lump
[18:13:11] <robin_sz> hammer
[18:13:19] <Jymmm> oh, alex_joni said rat
[18:13:27] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ screams
[18:13:32] <anonimasu_> I hate windows so very very much
[18:13:37] <robin_sz> likewise
[18:13:50] <Jymmm> robin_sz so when they pulled the new cable, they fubared?
[18:14:04] <anonimasu_> I think I am going to set up my graphics drivers in linux and emulate all stuff instead
[18:14:18] <robin_sz> Jymmm: oh good grief. just which bit of my patiently explained story did younot get?
[18:14:31] <robin_sz> * robin_sz pulls his hair out
[18:14:52] <anonimasu_> will solidworks run emulated?
[18:14:52] <alex_joni> lol
[18:15:04] <anonimasu_> and/or visualmill?
[18:15:04] <alex_joni> solidworks emulated as a rat might fubar robin_sz's cable
[18:15:10] <robin_sz> Jymmm: the cable as deliverd from the manufacturer, wad an internal fualt. it had broken, been tied together and then had the out plastric sheath formed over it
[18:15:11] <alex_joni> and/or visualmill too
[18:15:11] <anonimasu_> *looks for megahal*
[18:15:16] <Jymmm> robin_sz See you didnt say if the defect in the cable was fro mthe mfg, or was caused during the installation.
[18:15:48] <robin_sz> Jymmm: "cut it open" ...
[18:16:06] <robin_sz> that sort of indicates it was inside someting that needed cutting open
[18:16:23] <Jymmm> that still doesn't say the 'CASUE' of the problem... MFG or installer snafu
[18:16:57] <robin_sz> well, heres the deal .. you find me someone who can tie two cores togetehr inside the sheeth of a 200m multicore ...
[18:17:08] <Jymmm> and if it was mfg defect, why didn't the installer catch a 'lump' in the cable?
[18:17:25] <robin_sz> wiremen arent that bright
[18:17:25] <anonimasu_> Jymmm: installing 200m is not a easy task
[18:17:34] <robin_sz> indeed
[18:17:42] <anonimasu_> brb rebooting
[18:18:10] <Jymmm> All the wire pullers I've worked with are responsable for making sure of all that and continuity.
[18:18:27] <robin_sz> not here ...
[18:18:31] <robin_sz> they just pull cables
[18:19:00] <robin_sz> and then put plugs on the end if you tell them how
[18:19:41] <Jymmm> It's way too easy for a puller to fubar a cable, especially in a drop ceiling over a sharp edge and cut the cable. and that's why they are responsable. they can't be lazy.
[18:19:42] <robin_sz> we had 4 wiremen on station full time, plus extras for big projects
[18:19:55] <robin_sz> this was all in house ..
[18:20:12] <Jymmm> You pay for lazy ass pullers, you get to troubeleshoot for hours.
[18:20:45] <Jymmm> it's frekaing cable for gawd sakes... that's the ALST thing you should ever have to deal with (less miswiring).
[18:21:04] <robin_sz> no we had very good pullers who did what they were paid for.
[18:21:39] <Jymmm> and how many hours/days did it take to troubleshoot and resolve this problem?
[18:21:50] <robin_sz> oh, 4 probably
[18:22:17] <Jymmm> 4 days?! yeow!
[18:22:25] <robin_sz> hours
[18:22:51] <Jymmm> well, you originally said the cable had to be replaced. So the problem existed before then.
[18:23:11] <Jymmm> Unless they pulled 200m of cable in a couple hours.
[18:23:15] <robin_sz> oh ffs, Im bored with this now. no I didnt say it had to be replaced
[18:23:33] <Jymmm> Oh, so why was a new cable pulled?
[18:23:45] <robin_sz> it took a day to pull
[18:23:56] <robin_sz> new install, new gear .. cant remember
[18:24:32] <robin_sz> look it was a simple story about pulling a 200m cable and finding a knot inside it. OK?
[18:25:18] <robin_sz> for added bonus points you can tell us how you would have located the fault :)
[18:25:34] <Jymmm> ah, ok. Well, 4 hours troubleshooting a cable that a puller should have to certify is not somethign I should have to deal with.
[18:25:35] <alex_joni> what kind of knot?
[18:25:50] <robin_sz> alex_joni: ooh, figure 8 :)
[18:26:04] <Jymmm> I wouldn't have, that's why the puller has to certify their work.
[18:26:12] <robin_sz> Jymmm: pullers do not certify cable .. they just pull the reel you give them
[18:26:45] <Jymmm> The hell they don't... you cna't get a job here pulling cbale without certifying it.
[18:26:57] <Jymmm> Just for the reason you mentioned.
[18:27:10] <robin_sz> shrug... you must be talkign about small organisations
[18:27:10] <SWPadnos> depends on who supplies the cable
[18:27:28] <robin_sz> you are thinking of cable installer comapnies ...
[18:27:41] <robin_sz> where you ask them to put a ethernet from here to here ...
[18:27:56] <robin_sz> they supply it, spec the route, put in fixings
[18:28:04] <robin_sz> terminate, test and certify
[18:28:49] <Jymmm> oh and you wouldn't do the same (even more so) for a 30 pair cable!?
[18:29:01] <robin_sz> no
[18:29:07] <robin_sz> why would we?
[18:29:34] <Jymmm> lol
[18:29:54] <robin_sz> we had a whole store full of cable, a workshop with guys wiring plugs, 4 full time pullers and a team of engineers to design intallations and spec the routes
[18:30:13] <robin_sz> the engineers would sign off the work ...
[18:30:33] <SWPadnos> so this was an internal project, and the wire pulling company did certify the work :)
[18:30:47] <Jymmm> too bad you spent all that design/prep money to have a fuckup at the installers that dont test/certify theri work.
[18:30:51] <SWPadnos> (it just happened to be the customer as well)
[18:30:52] <robin_sz> well, assuming we ever bothered to sign it off ;)
[18:31:42] <robin_sz> Jymmm: you just havent got this have you?
[18:32:16] <robin_sz> you are still thinking small projects where you get in a cable installer
[18:32:23] <robin_sz> and they do the job ...
[18:32:43] <Jymmm> Oh I got it LONG time ago, Thus why we use pullers that certify their work.
[18:32:49] <robin_sz> no you dont
[18:33:18] <Jymmm> Oh, I don't huh?
[18:33:21] <robin_sz> look .. the pullers ... the same guy pulls the cable, terminates the end, tests it and certifies it?
[18:33:46] <alex_joni> you should have cable pullers, terminators, testers and certifiers
[18:33:56] <robin_sz> exactly
[18:34:01] <robin_sz> and thats what we have ...
[18:34:14] <robin_sz> the pullers did their bit
[18:34:17] <Jymmm> and they STILL managed to fuck it up! LOL
[18:34:23] <alex_joni> but the puller should look at the cable
[18:34:23] <robin_sz> dickhead
[18:35:01] <robin_sz> alex_joni: indeed, but encased within the sheath .. its not what you expect is it ..?
[18:35:07] <robin_sz> sorry losing patience now ...
[18:35:34] <alex_joni> omfg
[18:35:38] <robin_sz> the puller pulled
[18:35:41] <alex_joni> are you guys watching formula 1?
[18:35:43] <robin_sz> the testers tested
[18:36:00] <robin_sz> and the testers found a fualt ..
[18:36:03] <robin_sz> bored now.
[18:36:10] <robin_sz> F1, the procession?
[18:36:19] <alex_joni> seems michelin fucked up big time
[18:36:26] <robin_sz> dont tell me someone broke with protocol and overtook?
[18:36:37] <alex_joni> all the cars running michelin are out of the race
[18:36:40] <robin_sz> hah
[18:36:43] <alex_joni> leaves 6 cars in the race
[18:36:45] <robin_sz> hot?
[18:36:48] <alex_joni> the bridgestone
[18:36:54] <alex_joni> wrong type
[18:37:02] <robin_sz> melted?
[18:37:04] <alex_joni> indianapolis has some new coating on the road
[18:37:22] <robin_sz> worn out?
[18:37:48] <robin_sz> or just span off?
[18:37:58] <alex_joni> seems FIA banned them
[18:38:08] <robin_sz> wow .. wonder why?
[18:39:22] <robin_sz> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4109292.stm
[18:41:19] <robin_sz> seems the tyres kept failing ... not banned, just plain dangerous :)
[18:42:48] <alex_joni> right
[18:44:53] <alex_joni> well.. I just tuned in
[18:45:02] <alex_joni> and saw 6 cars at the start
[18:45:11] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:50:30] <alex_joni> right.. finished that list
[18:50:35] <alex_joni> * alex_joni looks at the wiki again
[18:56:16] <robin_sz> ah yes
[18:56:22] <robin_sz> the wiki ;)
[18:56:35] <robin_sz> putting back what was before
[18:56:37] <anonimasu_> hm
[18:56:41] <anonimasu_> yet again I had to pass on a nice mill.
[18:56:46] <anonimasu_> http://www.mdsinternational.de/product65381/product_info.html?name=BF%20400%20DM
[18:57:01] <anonimasu_> non cnc though
[18:57:27] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ sighs
[18:57:37] <alex_joni> pretty nice
[18:57:38] <robin_sz> nice
[18:57:41] <robin_sz> but big
[18:57:48] <anonimasu_> yeah, but I want one
[18:57:48] <robin_sz> non cnc?
[18:57:50] <anonimasu_> but I cant fit it :/
[18:57:56] <anonimasu_> 1660$
[18:58:00] <alex_joni> 6, 5 t
[18:58:21] <robin_sz> it is cnc ...
[18:58:33] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: NO THE ONE I FOUND IS NOT A CNC ONE
[18:58:40] <robin_sz> ahh .. not that mill then
[18:58:42] <anonimasu_> :)
[18:58:49] <anonimasu_> yeah that's just the specsheet I found
[18:58:53] <robin_sz> ohh
[18:58:59] <anonimasu_> the only diff was the color
[18:59:01] <robin_sz> I thought that was the one
[18:59:06] <anonimasu_> that mill looked very neat
[18:59:09] <robin_sz> and the lack of cnc ;)
[18:59:13] <anonimasu_> although heavy
[18:59:14] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:59:23] <robin_sz> combined vertical and horiz ..
[18:59:49] <anonimasu_> but well, I dont care about the size.. with the right motors it'll move fast enough anyway
[19:00:00] <robin_sz> but they need space
[19:00:03] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:00:07] <robin_sz> and LOTS of 3phase
[19:00:13] <anonimasu_> oh I have plenty
[19:00:18] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ ponders if he should force he's parents to re-build the garage ;)
[19:00:26] <robin_sz> 28kw ...
[19:01:12] <robin_sz> ooh, I could have sold you some toolholders :)
[19:01:15] <anonimasu_> yeah, but damn.. it looks nice
[19:01:27] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ sighs
[19:01:40] <robin_sz> $1660 USD?
[19:01:44] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:01:48] <robin_sz> cheap
[19:01:49] <anonimasu_> going to buy a toolroom mill when I see one
[19:02:04] <anonimasu_> less size more iron then the current oen
[19:02:12] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ isnt happy with how rigid it is
[19:02:19] <robin_sz> we just took an old mk1 bridgeport
[19:02:26] <robin_sz> with a boss5
[19:02:27] <anonimasu_> I cant fit one :/
[19:02:37] <anonimasu_> or well anything largere as it is now
[19:02:45] <robin_sz> ahhh
[19:02:51] <robin_sz> then, you have a problem :)
[19:03:19] <anonimasu_> I can fit a pretty large mill but I am short on roof height
[19:03:31] <robin_sz> dig a hole?
[19:03:34] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:03:42] <anonimasu_> in the concrete floor :)
[19:03:54] <anonimasu_> oh well there will be plenty of good chances later on
[19:03:59] <robin_sz> build a small window on top?
[19:04:02] <anonimasu_> the mill I have now isnt rigid..
[19:04:25] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ wants to be able to plunge into stuff
[19:04:31] <robin_sz> ooh
[19:04:45] <robin_sz> VM spirals in ;0
[19:04:52] <anonimasu_> http://www.blocket.se/view/5362661.htm?caller=nbl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
[19:04:58] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: oh it does not help
[19:05:02] <anonimasu_> that's the mill
[19:05:18] <robin_sz> you already have that?
[19:05:40] <anonimasu_> no
[19:05:44] <anonimasu_> the same as the one earlier
[19:05:47] <anonimasu_> but the one with the good price
[19:05:49] <robin_sz> oh thats the same ting
[19:05:52] <robin_sz> different colour
[19:06:02] <robin_sz> right
[19:06:08] <robin_sz> huge
[19:06:17] <anonimasu_> ~_~
[19:07:56] <robin_sz> ooh, solved a problem with the laser today ...
[19:08:16] <robin_sz> I have a habit of using the estop button to keep it quiet when im not using it
[19:08:21] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:08:34] <robin_sz> turns off the compressor and the chiller ...
[19:08:42] <robin_sz> and the laser output
[19:08:59] <anonimasu_> ok
[19:09:15] <alex_joni> might not be the best thing to turn off the chiller after cutting
[19:09:24] <robin_sz> anyway .. couple of times recently, its faulted a minute or so into the first cut
[19:09:50] <robin_sz> thats OK, the laser has its own tank of water ..
[19:09:55] <anonimasu_> bad contacts?
[19:09:57] <robin_sz> and seperate intermediate pump ..
[19:10:01] <anonimasu_> compressor chiller?
[19:10:15] <robin_sz> yeah big one 45kw cpabele
[19:10:19] <anonimasu_> ah ok
[19:10:20] <robin_sz> capable
[19:10:25] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[19:10:37] <robin_sz> tunrs out the cabinet with all the elctronics for the laser ...
[19:10:42] <robin_sz> has a fan inside it ...
[19:10:57] <robin_sz> and ... a heat exchanger fed with chiller water and some control solenoids
[19:11:19] <robin_sz> no chiller, cabinet gets warm ...
[19:11:46] <robin_sz> estops 1 minute after wake-up again due to over temp :)
[19:11:46] <anonimasu_> ah ok
[19:12:20] <robin_sz> so thats that one solved .. dont bang it off on the estop :)
[19:12:35] <anonimasu_> hm, cant you put in a aux switch?
[19:12:52] <robin_sz> to bring the chiller back online?
[19:13:09] <anonimasu_> yeah and just turn off the compressor and the other stuff
[19:13:23] <robin_sz> could do ...
[19:13:32] <robin_sz> I'll probably just tunr the whole thing off ..
[19:13:40] <robin_sz> quieter that way
[19:13:44] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:14:11] <robin_sz> i put my hand in the water tank to clean a filter ..
[19:14:17] <robin_sz> washed it real well first ...
[19:14:28] <robin_sz> it still showed on the conductivity meter
[19:14:34] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:14:50] <anonimasu_> I guess you should have used plastic gloves
[19:14:58] <anonimasu_> or drained it first
[19:14:59] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:15:04] <robin_sz> i was lazy
[19:15:09] <anonimasu_> but well, laziness
[19:15:10] <anonimasu_> :D
[19:15:12] <robin_sz> theres a DI pack to filter it anyway
[19:15:23] <robin_sz> back to normal in twenty minutes
[19:16:39] <robin_sz> ooh, nice little resistor ..
[19:16:50] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42899&item=7522990866&rd=1
[19:17:06] <anonimasu_> nice
[19:17:21] <robin_sz> 45kw ... !!
[19:17:31] <anonimasu_> that'd be perfect for my needs ;)
[19:17:52] <anonimasu_> it's just over 43kw too large
[19:18:01] <anonimasu_> dead stop ;)
[19:18:51] <jacky^> hi
[19:18:53] <anonimasu_> http://www.machinetools247.com/Featured_Machines/4980-Anvers%20E400M8-190-4-44/4980-Anvers%20E400M8-190-4-44%20a.jpg
[19:19:07] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: sheet loader?
[19:24:14] <anonimasu_> *grins*
[19:28:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is bored ;)
[19:28:25] <alex_joni> and tired
[19:29:20] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ is bored also
[19:29:41] <anonimasu_> I think I should try and get it dark enough to watch some movie
[19:29:42] <anonimasu_> or somthing
[19:30:03] <alex_joni> projector?
[19:30:06] <anonimasu_> yes
[19:30:20] <alex_joni> nice.. same here ;)
[19:30:35] <alex_joni> makes me hate every time I go to the movies
[19:30:40] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ too
[19:30:45] <alex_joni> a lot better at home
[19:30:47] <anonimasu_> I just lack good sound
[19:30:54] <anonimasu_> but that will change soon
[19:30:56] <alex_joni> I have an older EMU10K1
[19:30:59] <anonimasu_> I am tired of my large bulky speakers
[19:31:18] <alex_joni> and some Cambridge Sound Works speakers
[19:31:37] <alex_joni> a bit older (not digital), but OK
[19:31:45] <anonimasu_> I want some D&W sattelites
[19:32:06] <alex_joni> http://www.icehw.net/review.php?id=100
[19:32:10] <anonimasu_> err b&w
[19:32:16] <alex_joni> b&w ?
[19:32:19] <anonimasu_> but the price scares me off
[19:33:05] <jacky^> umpf.. 147 different types of output extension cam file :\
[19:33:18] <anonimasu_> http://www.hifiklubben.com/se/produkter/hoegtalare/stativhoegtalare/detail/BW_DM602_S3_Hoegtalare.htm?id=1034
[19:33:31] <jacky^> gcode(*tap) should work ?
[19:33:43] <anonimasu_> 587$ per paie
[19:33:44] <anonimasu_> pair
[19:33:54] <anonimasu_> I need 6 of them..
[19:34:01] <anonimasu_> or well of anything
[19:34:23] <jacky^> anonimasu_: :-)
[19:34:37] <jacky^> do you like HI-FI ?
[19:34:42] <anonimasu_> jacky^: not really
[19:34:48] <anonimasu_> jacky^: but thoose are good/great speakers
[19:34:50] <jacky^> :(
[19:35:01] <jacky^> i was using bmw in my car
[19:35:04] <anonimasu_> jacky^: and my room is 100m2
[19:35:09] <anonimasu_> almost
[19:35:09] <jacky^> woofer of 20 cm
[19:35:24] <anonimasu_> with 3,?? to the roof
[19:35:48] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: get some Bang&Olufsen
[19:35:52] <jacky^> 2 way
[19:35:57] <jacky^> tw e wf
[19:35:58] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: haha..
[19:36:08] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: that's re-branded philips stuff in the speakers
[19:36:09] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:36:14] <alex_joni> not really
[19:36:17] <SWPadnos> but it looks cool :)
[19:36:21] <anonimasu_> yes.. philips elements..
[19:36:30] <anonimasu_> or well re-branded/sold as b&o
[19:36:33] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:36:39] <alex_joni> philips doesn't do http://www.bang-olufsen.com/web2/systems/product.asp?section=systems&sub=ls&prodid=24
[19:36:48] <jacky^> some year ago i build from myself a good power amplifier using mosfet 80 w
[19:36:56] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: yes the stuff inside of them are philips
[19:37:08] <anonimasu_> :)
[19:37:09] <alex_joni> anyways, they sound good
[19:37:16] <alex_joni> although wy too pricey
[19:37:18] <alex_joni> way
[19:37:26] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:37:28] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:37:36] <jacky^> dynaudio are fantastic
[19:37:41] <SWPadnos> http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/Model%20Nautilus
[19:37:42] <anonimasu_> due to the size of the room I either need gobs of power..
[19:37:47] <jacky^> try to builf from youself..
[19:37:55] <anonimasu_> or more speakers
[19:38:23] <anonimasu_> b&w are great but very expensive
[19:38:23] <jacky^> electrovoice :P
[19:38:35] <anonimasu_> and I am no hifi freak
[19:38:45] <SWPadnos> especially the Nautilus - I think they're around $20000 each
[19:38:58] <anonimasu_> yeah that's top of the line :)
[19:39:07] <jacky^> anonimasu_: you can build from youserlf ! damn
[19:39:14] <jacky^> usinc the cnc
[19:39:17] <anonimasu_> I dont like having to play loud as hell to get even sound
[19:39:30] <jacky^> just bay woofer and tw
[19:39:36] <jacky^> buy*
[19:39:39] <anonimasu_> jacky^: i work about 14 hours per day, I dont feel like building speakers.
[19:39:48] <jacky^> mmhh
[19:39:55] <anonimasu_> jacky^: and I mill stuff for work when I have days off..
[19:39:58] <jacky^> tou're not so good as hacker :P
[19:40:16] <anonimasu_> hacker?
[19:40:20] <anonimasu_> hehe
[19:40:25] <jacky^> sure
[19:40:33] <SWPadnos> hacker - "one who tests the boundaries of their environment"
[19:40:39] <jacky^> hackers made the things from yourself
[19:40:42] <jacky^> always
[19:40:43] <SWPadnos> "and changes tham, when possible"
[19:40:44] <jacky^> :)
[19:40:45] <SWPadnos> them
[19:40:49] <anonimasu_> did I mention I dont sleep enough, I sit at my computer talking crap here
[19:40:54] <anonimasu_> instead :D
[19:41:00] <SWPadnos> well - stop talking crap :)
[19:41:04] <jacky^> hehe
[19:41:13] <SWPadnos> that's ValarQ's job
[19:41:19] <anonimasu_> SWPadnos: arr!
[19:41:29] <anonimasu_> I'll be back in a bit going for a drive to the kiosk
[19:41:34] <jacky^> aniway, it's a simple work of few hours
[19:41:37] <SWPadnos> have fun
[19:42:02] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[19:42:04] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: when I was in school we had 7:1 at a room, where we watched 1st part of LOTR before we went and watched the 2nd part..
[19:42:21] <anonimasu_> I've never been that dissapointed in anything in my whole life..
[19:42:26] <jacky^> * jacky^ nick jackydinner
[19:42:31] <anonimasu_> great movie, bad theathre
[19:42:33] <jacky^> jacky^ is now known as jackydinner
[19:42:59] <SWPadnos> oh yeah - I should watch the extended ROTK DVD soon :)
[19:43:05] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:43:08] <anonimasu_> I still havent seen it
[19:43:16] <anonimasu_> I liked the books way more
[19:43:23] <SWPadnos> me either - I've had it since it was released - just haven't watched
[19:43:44] <SWPadnos> yeah - the books are better - I dislike the fact that the scouring of the shire isn't in the movies
[19:43:51] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:44:03] <SWPadnos> and the screw-ups with the gifts from Galadriel
[19:44:06] <anonimasu_> it's pretty sad when theathres neglect setting up their sound system, and have projectors low framerates
[19:44:17] <anonimasu_> err projectors with
[19:44:31] <SWPadnos> well - theyre limited by the framerate it was shot at :)
[19:44:44] <anonimasu_> SWPadnos, yeah, but they flicker lots :)
[19:44:59] <anonimasu_> SWPadnos: it might be computer damage but it'
[19:45:02] <SWPadnos> it's especially bad when they try to overcome crappy sound by turning the volume up
[19:45:07] <anonimasu_> but it flickers
[19:45:26] <anonimasu_> digital projectors does not flicker :)
[19:45:53] <anonimasu_> yeah that's true
[19:45:54] <SWPadnos> right - the intermittent mechanism ina film projector requires a blank period while the film is moved
[19:46:08] <anonimasu_> but it's still nice to go the the movies with some friends
[19:46:28] <anonimasu_> not the same as watching anything home
[19:46:50] <SWPadnos> it's pretty sad - the only good Hollywood / American movies lately (that I recall) have been animated or comic book adaptations
[19:47:04] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:47:10] <SWPadnos> or remakes of old good movies
[19:47:34] <SWPadnos> or remakes of old crappy movies ;)
[19:48:16] <anonimasu_> SWPadnos: http://www.hifiklubben.com/se/produkter/hoegtalare/aktiv_subbas/detail/BW_ASW855_Subbas.htm?id=6548
[19:48:57] <anonimasu_> neat :D
[19:49:51] <SWPadnos> um - that's a little expensive, if I'm reading right ;)
[19:50:05] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:50:14] <anonimasu_> if you /8 it's in dollars
[19:50:16] <anonimasu_> or almost ;)
[19:50:37] <SWPadnos> ah - so the ~30k price goes down substantially :)
[19:51:04] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:51:09] <anonimasu_> 3750$
[19:51:32] <SWPadnos> I bought a pair of Mirage K760's almost 20 years ago - they're still going strong
[19:51:58] <anonimasu_> yeah
[19:52:01] <SWPadnos> they were rated the best speakers under $50k at the time (and were only $1k per pair)
[19:52:05] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ nods
[19:52:29] <anonimasu_> I have some pioneer ones..
[19:52:44] <SWPadnos> have you seen the Pioneer One speaker (I think that's the name)
[19:52:49] <anonimasu_> they sound ok, and good, but it's too tiny for this room
[19:52:52] <anonimasu_> no
[19:53:01] <SWPadnos> hold on a sec - I'll get a link
[19:53:20] <anonimasu_> I'll be buying speakers that will follow me for 10 years so I can spend some money on them
[19:54:53] <SWPadnos> http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/0,,2076_4159_48023,00.html
[19:56:12] <anonimasu_> nice!
[19:56:45] <anonimasu_> let me guess they cost like 6$k
[19:57:00] <anonimasu_> or 60$
[19:57:03] <anonimasu_> err 60k�
[19:57:05] <anonimasu_> err $
[19:57:10] <SWPadnos> no - I think they were more like $50k
[19:57:29] <anonimasu_> heh
[19:57:57] <anonimasu_> that's about $47k more then I would spend.
[19:58:15] <SWPadnos> indeed
[19:58:45] <SWPadnos> it's about $35k more than I've spent on all audio and video equipment and media
[19:58:52] <SWPadnos> ever
[19:58:52] <anonimasu_> yeah :)
[19:59:15] <anonimasu_> well kiosktime
[19:59:17] <anonimasu_> bbl
[20:00:37] <SWPadnos> see ya
[20:00:37] <jackydinner> jackydinner is now known as jacky^
[20:06:12] <jacky^> uhmm ferrari wins again
[20:06:49] <alex_joni> jacky^: not hard from 6 cars in total
[20:07:25] <jacky^> true
[20:30:20] <jacky^> i'm looking for a good ball nose
[20:30:32] <jacky^> anyone know where to buy in europe ?
[20:31:16] <alex_joni> rednoseday.de
[20:31:25] <jacky^> thanks alex_joni :)
[20:31:40] <alex_joni> but it's a red ball nose
[20:31:44] <alex_joni> ROFLMAO
[20:31:50] <jacky^> no idea..
[20:31:54] <jacky^> it's better ?
[20:32:03] <alex_joni> just open the link
[20:32:07] <jacky^> ok
[20:32:56] <jacky^> redirect to another..
[20:34:23] <jacky^> doh
[20:34:25] <jacky^> LOL
[20:34:27] <robin_sz> they are very good on soft material ...
[20:34:55] <jacky^> i need something of better :P
[20:34:59] <robin_sz> itc
[20:35:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes away
[20:35:32] <alex_joni> bye guys
[20:35:33] <robin_sz> http://www.itc-ltd.co.uk/
[20:35:35] <robin_sz> bye ..
[20:35:38] <jacky^> bye alex_joni
[20:59:55] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:00:09] <anonimasu_> hi
[21:00:11] <alex_joni> hi
[21:00:25] <anonimasu_> I just got back from the kiosk with a coke and some chips
[21:00:26] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:00:33] <alex_joni> nice ;)
[21:00:37] <anonimasu_> need to work on my diet(hence the chips)
[21:00:42] <alex_joni> LOL
[21:00:49] <alex_joni> going the oposite direction?
[21:00:55] <anonimasu_> yeah
[21:00:55] <alex_joni> as a normal diet would?
[21:01:03] <alex_joni> nice
[21:01:09] <alex_joni> I need to go the right direction
[21:01:15] <alex_joni> but coke isn't helping
[21:01:28] <anonimasu_> actually I am not going in any direction
[21:01:36] <alex_joni> nice too
[21:01:37] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ uses shitloads of energy
[21:01:45] <anonimasu_> I dont know where it goes though
[21:01:50] <anonimasu_> just away :)
[21:01:52] <jacky^> hi anonimasu_
[21:02:19] <jacky^> alex_joni: what's the medium price for a ball nose for cnc ?
[21:02:55] <anonimasu_> jacky^: why do you need a ballnose cutter?
[21:03:03] <anonimasu_> jacky^: are you going to mill organic shapes?
[21:03:33] <jacky^> no.. i need some good mill end for now
[21:03:51] <jacky^> i would like to know the price you pay
[21:04:00] <jacky^> to make a confront
[21:04:00] <robin_sz> depends
[21:04:17] <jacky^> medium price ?
[21:04:19] <robin_sz> cheap 6mm shank throwaways ...
[21:04:30] <robin_sz> say, 5 to 6 euro
[21:04:42] <jacky^> ah.. not too much
[21:04:55] <jacky^> 5-6 euro ? possible ?
[21:04:58] <jacky^> O_o
[21:05:07] <jacky^> seem to me strange
[21:05:36] <jacky^> i bought a mill end last saturday, for 11 euro here
[21:05:42] <jacky^> and was not good :\
[21:06:34] <anonimasu_> dormer mills are slighly more expensive
[21:07:00] <anonimasu_> 18-40$
[21:07:01] <robin_sz> are you looking at 6mm and below?
[21:07:15] <anonimasu_> yeah
[21:07:26] <jacky^> yes, 6mm is what my router can accept
[21:07:32] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ loves dormer
[21:07:55] <anonimasu_> but their carbide is so very expensive
[21:08:04] <robin_sz> yeah, but *nice* ...
[21:08:09] <robin_sz> from Sheffield too
[21:08:13] <anonimasu_> hm never had carbide tools
[21:08:20] <anonimasu_> for the mill
[21:08:45] <jacky^> this mine is an hss
[21:08:53] <jacky^> i believe so..
[21:09:13] <anonimasu_> if it's under $50 yeah :)
[21:09:30] <jacky^> sure, 11 euro..
[21:09:47] <jacky^> but it become immediatly black
[21:09:53] <jacky^> is it normal ?
[21:09:58] <anonimasu_> hm, what speed were you running at?
[21:10:05] <robin_sz> balck? as hot?
[21:10:07] <anonimasu_> and what were you routing?
[21:10:16] <anonimasu_> they should never ever become black
[21:10:23] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:10:27] <anonimasu_> unless you run at a too high speed and low feed
[21:10:32] <jacky^> 600 w router 30000 rpm (i think rpm i read 30000 on the label)
[21:10:33] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:10:35] <anonimasu_> rub instead of cut
[21:10:41] <anonimasu_> what feed did you have?
[21:11:06] <alex_joni> 2000 ipm
[21:11:20] <jacky^> 220 volts !
[21:11:21] <jacky^> lol
[21:11:23] <jacky^> :)
[21:11:31] <anonimasu_> jacky^: how fast did you feed?
[21:11:33] <anonimasu_> jacky^: 1000ipm?
[21:11:42] <jacky^> no idea, really ..
[21:11:57] <anonimasu_> jacky^: you should either slow down your router.
[21:12:02] <anonimasu_> or feed lots more
[21:12:26] <jacky^> ah..
[21:12:36] <jacky^> too fast speed ?
[21:12:44] <anonimasu_> with lots I mean double whatever feed you were having..
[21:12:49] <anonimasu_> yeah
[21:12:51] <anonimasu_> too low chipload
[21:13:17] <robin_sz> * robin_sz ndos
[21:13:21] <robin_sz> nods
[21:13:31] <anonimasu_> s/low/no
[21:13:32] <anonimasu_> :D
[21:13:34] <robin_sz> 30,000 rpm ... very fast ..
[21:13:43] <robin_sz> jacky^: cutting aluminium
[21:13:43] <jacky^> yeah
[21:13:45] <robin_sz> ??
[21:13:57] <jacky^> nah.. wood
[21:13:59] <robin_sz> or steel?
[21:14:02] <robin_sz> wood?
[21:14:05] <jacky^> nope
[21:14:07] <jacky^> never
[21:14:13] <robin_sz> cutting WHAT?
[21:14:19] <jacky^> wood
[21:14:22] <robin_sz> right
[21:14:39] <robin_sz> and you used a milling cutter ..?
[21:14:51] <jacky^> yes
[21:15:12] <jacky^> is a black and decker
[21:15:21] <jacky^> an old model
[21:16:05] <robin_sz> no ... the cutting tool
[21:16:10] <alex_joni> robin_sz: probably cutting cables
[21:16:10] <robin_sz> the milling cutter
[21:16:23] <alex_joni> those long 300 m 60 cord cables
[21:16:33] <robin_sz> alex_joni: lets just leave that ,....
[21:16:54] <robin_sz> for wood, you want a routing cutter
[21:17:20] <jacky^> ah, ok..
[21:17:33] <robin_sz> single blade
[21:17:54] <jacky^> can you suggest me some model i can see online ?
[21:18:14] <robin_sz> go to your local DIY store
[21:18:30] <jacky^> well, tnx :)
[21:18:43] <jacky^> tomorrow i will go
[21:18:49] <jacky^> and ask
[21:19:04] <robin_sz> http://www.trendmachinery.co.uk/profinder.asp
[21:19:46] <paul_c> Hey alex_joni.... How you doing with your cable bot ?
[21:19:47] <jacky^> nice
[21:20:31] <alex_joni> paul_c: still working on it.. didn't get the chance to advance
[21:20:35] <alex_joni> got one motor to spin
[21:20:41] <alex_joni> with emc2 of course
[21:21:10] <paul_c> You're going to have fun sorting out the rats nest of knot vectors within the kinematics
[21:21:23] <alex_joni> probably ;)
[21:21:43] <alex_joni> although I found some kinematics for it
[21:21:49] <paul_c> just don't cut any corners when you figure out the math.
[21:21:56] <SWPadnos> it'll probably bounce a bit vertically
[21:22:05] <alex_joni> cut corners?
[21:22:08] <anonimasu_> ??
[21:22:10] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: that shouldn't matter
[21:22:40] <alex_joni> the motors seem pretty fast
[21:22:55] <alex_joni> so I plan to have it working at high speeds ;)
[21:22:58] <SWPadnos> why not? - is it meant to operate in a vertiacal plane?
[21:22:59] <alex_joni> should be fun to watch
[21:23:03] <SWPadnos> vertical
[21:23:06] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: multiple 1000ipm's
[21:23:06] <anonimasu_> ;)
[21:23:10] <alex_joni> yeah right
[21:23:26] <SWPadnos> 100 m/min
[21:23:32] <alex_joni> heh
[21:23:37] <alex_joni> at 20 cm travel
[21:23:37] <anonimasu_> http://generalrobotics.org/ppp/Kinematics_final.ppt
[21:23:40] <anonimasu_> haha
[21:23:43] <anonimasu_> yeah right
[21:24:45] <anonimasu_> NICE!
[21:24:50] <paul_c> if you don't ballance the pull on the cables, bounce will be an issue
[21:25:25] <SWPadnos> even with balanced tension, it'll be a problem - you need infinite tension to fix the vertical position
[21:25:51] <robin_sz> or slack tension and some mass
[21:26:07] <robin_sz> liek the flying cameras at the football stadiums
[21:26:09] <SWPadnos> yeah - a little tricycle could be dragged around nicely :)
[21:26:11] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: I can get infinite tension
[21:26:24] <alex_joni> I have some available
[21:26:31] <anonimasu_> electromagnetism?
[21:26:38] <alex_joni> dunno..
[21:26:40] <SWPadnos> the cameras at stadiums are many feet below the winches
[21:26:43] <alex_joni> it's a little black box
[21:26:48] <paul_c> as long as the cabling is certified for the job, tension shouldn't be a problem
[21:27:06] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: that's what I plan for the big setup
[21:27:07] <anonimasu_> cant you use a electromagnet and work aginst it for tensioning the cable?
[21:27:12] <alex_joni> 10x10m travel
[21:27:17] <alex_joni> and 5m below the winches
[21:27:19] <alex_joni> or more
[21:27:20] <SWPadnos> ah - that'll be interesting ;)
[21:27:38] <alex_joni> first gotta get this proof of concept going
[21:27:44] <anonimasu_> *nods*
[21:27:55] <alex_joni> but first it's NML time ;)
[21:28:05] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: have a look at that page
[21:28:19] <alex_joni> lend a hand on NML.. and I'll have some to show sooner *g*
[21:28:25] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:28:43] <anonimasu_> *goes into the armchair
[21:28:50] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:33:46] <anonimasu_> hm actually the robot kinematics does not seem impossible
[21:33:56] <alex_joni> it's pretty possible
[21:34:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni shows anonimasu_ a few robots actually working
[21:34:27] <anonimasu_> yeah
[21:34:41] <anonimasu_> but it does not seem like a impossibility to get my robot working
[21:35:05] <robin_sz> now ...
[21:35:10] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:35:16] <robin_sz> of all the packages out there
[21:35:18] <anonimasu_> or well for me to understand all the math involved
[21:35:21] <robin_sz> mec is your best shot for this
[21:35:26] <robin_sz> emc
[21:35:27] <anonimasu_> mec?
[21:35:43] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: I dont know if I am going to use emc
[21:35:47] <robin_sz> oh
[21:35:51] <anonimasu_> robin_sz: I want to learn the math
[21:35:52] <alex_joni> anonimasu_: why not?
[21:35:59] <alex_joni> you still need to learn the math
[21:36:12] <alex_joni> may I remind you that emc2 doesn't have much kinematics in it?
[21:36:18] <anonimasu_> or well understand it..
[21:36:20] <robin_sz> ahh
[21:36:23] <anonimasu_> hm, maybe that's a good plan
[21:36:23] <anonimasu_> :D
[21:36:43] <alex_joni> sure is
[21:37:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is tired
[21:39:05] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[21:39:24] <alex_joni> anonimasu: do one like kismet
[21:40:00] <anonimasu_> alex_joni: kismet?
[21:40:27] <robin_sz> kiss me!
[21:40:40] <alex_joni> http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/facial-expression.html
[21:41:29] <anonimasu_> ah that kismet
[21:41:29] <anonimasu_> :D
[21:43:15] <robin_sz> http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/avs/sorrow.jpg
[21:43:19] <robin_sz> amazinbg ...
[21:43:27] <robin_sz> so *thats* what our taxes pay for
[21:44:18] <alex_joni> not your taxes
[21:44:21] <anonimasu_> toys :D
[21:44:29] <alex_joni> mit is not in the UK afaik
[21:44:40] <robin_sz> it is ...
[21:44:48] <robin_sz> well, its in America
[21:45:07] <robin_sz> thats part of the UK
[21:45:26] <alex_joni> quick.. run before the 'mericuns react
[21:45:27] <robin_sz> we discovered it
[21:45:35] <alex_joni> no you didn't
[21:45:39] <alex_joni> :P
[21:47:42] <robin_sz> didnt we?
[21:47:52] <anonimasu_> :)
[21:47:55] <anonimasu_> that's correct
[21:49:12] <alex_joni> it was the vikings at first
[21:49:26] <robin_sz> oh them
[21:49:30] <alex_joni> about 400+ years sooner
[21:52:02] <alex_joni> then some spanish dudes
[21:52:38] <robin_sz> oh the spainards
[21:52:42] <robin_sz> they dont count
[21:53:14] <robin_sz> they did the outh
[21:53:16] <robin_sz> south
[21:53:38] <alex_joni> Everyone recognizes that many people were in America long before Columbus. The Asiatic peoples who became Native Americans were certainly the first, tens of thousands of years ago. Also Norse expeditions to North America, starting with Bjarni Herjolfsson in 986, are well established historically. Many other pre-Columbian discoveries are not well established: claims have been made for St. Brendan, Basque fishermen, Portuguese, Chinese, Japanese, and even Car
[21:54:18] <alex_joni> Bjarni Herjolfsson is some great-great-great-...-great grandfather of an0n iirc ;)
[21:55:59] <anonimasu_> haha :D
[21:56:02] <anonimasu_> probably npot
[21:56:10] <alex_joni> not?
[21:56:35] <alex_joni> probably great-great-great-...-great-grandmother then
[21:56:38] <alex_joni> LOL
[21:57:04] <anonimasu_> :D
[21:58:41] <jacky^> woooww
[21:58:46] <jacky^> http://www.proz.com/?eid_s=6965&float=y&glossary=16400&sp=mt
[21:58:52] <jacky^> :P
[21:59:58] <jacky^> technical term i can't found on dictionary :)
[22:05:32] <anonimasu_> :D
[22:05:38] <jacky^> hehe
[22:11:22] <anonimasu_> ValarQ: how's the crap comming along
[22:11:25] <anonimasu_> ?
[22:11:59] <anonimasu_> jacky^: try bablefish
[22:12:40] <jacky^> anonimasu_: i tried, won't run on debian :\
[22:13:10] <jacky^> also dict, seem to have a bug with freedict ita-eng
[22:13:23] <jacky^> thi website is very nice: http://www.proz.com/
[22:14:03] <jacky^> very interesting..
[22:14:39] <robin_sz> http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/avs/surprise.jpg
[22:15:35] <jacky^> robin_sz: nicee :)
[22:16:14] <robin_sz> perch� uso di yo un servizio di traduzione, tutti parliamo molte
[22:16:14] <robin_sz> lingue.
[22:16:27] <alex_joni> ma certo
[22:16:27] <jacky^> wow :P
[22:17:30] <jacky^> tecnological terms are very difficult to translate
[22:18:00] <robin_sz> inglese giusto di uso del wel allora
[22:18:08] <jacky^> and also used too much here ..
[22:18:13] <jacky^> hehe
[22:18:19] <robin_sz> http://www.systransoft.co.uk/index.html
[22:18:23] <robin_sz> very useful
[22:19:21] <jacky^> ah! uncovered the secret!
[22:19:23] <jacky^> lol
[22:19:27] <robin_sz> hehe
[22:19:29] <jacky^> tnx !
[22:20:34] <robin_sz> I should be practising French for my lesson tomorow
[22:21:02] <jacky^> French is nice
[22:21:10] <robin_sz> we have 90 minute sof intensive conversation class ...
[22:21:19] <robin_sz> with a Norwegian girl ...
[22:21:21] <jacky^> :)
[22:21:58] <jacky^> the French has one pronounces cake
[22:22:06] <jacky^> beautiful
[22:22:24] <robin_sz> french is easy ...
[22:22:33] <robin_sz> just throw away the last letter of each word
[22:23:12] <jacky^> yeah
[22:23:14] <robin_sz> and ignore the letter K
[22:23:40] <robin_sz> oh and swap G and J
[22:23:49] <alex_joni> and ignore H too
[22:23:54] <jacky^> Italian is similar to the Portuguese, task
[22:23:56] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:24:07] <jacky^> mmmh :\ bad sound
[22:24:24] <jacky^> i don't like
[22:34:13] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:34:41] <robin_sz> cya!
[22:34:50] <jacky^> night alex_joni
[23:35:14] <A-L-P-H-A> hey people
[23:35:22] <A-L-P-H-A> quit in here for an hour?
[23:35:23] <A-L-P-H-A> wow
[23:35:58] <paul_c> was !
[23:36:05] <cradek> SHHHH
[23:37:25] <paul_c> we're watching the webcast from the cnc-workshop
[23:38:23] <A-L-P-H-A> there's a webcast?
[23:41:15] <jacky^> hi paul_c , hi A-L-P-H-A
[23:41:21] <A-L-P-H-A> hi jacky^
[23:41:57] <jacky^> what you do ?
[23:42:32] <A-L-P-H-A> do?
[23:42:34] <A-L-P-H-A> do what?
[23:42:38] <jacky^> made progress ?
[23:42:45] <A-L-P-H-A> pardon?
[23:42:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm recouping from last night...
[23:42:57] <jacky^> on studing cnc
[23:42:59] <A-L-P-H-A> clubbing and drinking, and celebrating my birthday
[23:43:09] <jacky^> ah | party ?
[23:43:12] <jacky^> :D
[23:43:43] <A-L-P-H-A> yes
[23:44:17] <jacky^> eh.. yes, saturday it's always saturday :P
[23:44:59] <jacky^> i like good beer
[23:45:16] <jacky^> at launch i drink a little of wine
[23:45:25] <jacky^> 4-5 lt
[23:46:54] <robin_sz> webcast ... coo.
[23:47:27] <robin_sz> is it in a linux friendly sort of format, or 'doze?
[23:48:11] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: It better be linux friendly with all the emc running on linux. :)
[23:48:21] <robin_sz> hehe
[23:48:27] <jacky^> hi Phydbleep ! :P
[23:48:40] <Phydbleep> Hi jacky^ :)
[23:49:29] <jacky^> some hour ago.. looking on the web i seen a cnc with dos floppy disk for 10000 euro , lol
[23:49:31] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is about to take advantage of the fact that the house is empty to take a shower without a curious 4 year old camped outside the door. :)
[23:50:23] <Phydbleep> The cat sitting outside the door and sticking a paw under it is bad enough.
[23:51:09] <jacky^> the house neighbors go via?
[23:51:20] <jacky^> :P
[23:51:50] <robin_sz> ach, let them in .. whats the worst that can happen?
[23:51:52] <jacky^> Phydbleep: attention, is dangerous
[23:52:01] <Phydbleep> My wife took our daughter to the store and the park for a while.
[23:52:20] <jacky^> now animals here are protected by a law..
[23:52:50] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: I end up with a cat in the shower with me and i have to suffer the "You Utter Bastard" looks for the next hour?
[23:52:55] <jacky^> we need a patent for a cat
[23:53:24] <robin_sz> Phydbleep: ah yes.
[23:53:25] <Phydbleep> jacky^: 'license' in English.
[23:53:40] <jacky^> oh, sorry
[23:53:45] <jacky^> yes, license
[23:54:00] <robin_sz> same in .ch
[23:54:09] <robin_sz> except cats are cheap
[23:54:12] <robin_sz> dogs ...
[23:54:23] <jacky^> thaht seem to me right..
[23:54:25] <Phydbleep> jacky^: No need for apologies, I have tutored English before and it's just a habit. :)
[23:54:31] <robin_sz> first one is not too bad, 2nd and 3rd VERY expensive
[23:54:36] <jacky^> Phydbleep: hehe
[23:55:27] <jacky^> robin_sz: sure, they do it in first for their business..
[23:56:02] <robin_sz> my friend in .ch has 2 dogs
[23:56:20] <robin_sz> I thin he said he pays over 300 euro a year ...
[23:56:32] <jacky^> true
[23:56:58] <jacky^> if you consider all, is pretty true
[23:57:05] <Phydbleep> It's < USD$20 dog/year here.
[23:59:25] <jacky^> i prefer tropical fish
[23:59:43] <jacky^> they never disturb :D