#emc | Logs for 2005-06-16

[20:32:16] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[20:32:16] <asdfqwega> See
[20:32:59] <asdfqwega> Strange, not much logged today :P
[20:40:32] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: probably crashed
[20:40:46] <alex_joni> the stpid logger won't reconnect in case of a netsplit
[20:44:07] <alex_joni> hey les
[20:44:12] <les> hi alex
[20:44:21] <alex_joni> what's new?
[20:44:25] <alex_joni> how's the tribo going?
[20:44:45] <les> hey some one sent me a link of a cnc spray painter
[20:44:51] <les> you have to see this:
[20:45:09] <les> http://www.hektor.ch/
[20:45:19] <alex_joni> there is only one thing I don't like about cnc spraying
[20:45:24] <les> ?
[20:45:25] <alex_joni> and that's anti-ex
[20:45:31] <alex_joni> les: already seen that ;)
[20:45:38] <alex_joni> hektor .. pretty nice
[20:45:40] <les> I figured
[20:45:47] <les> I had not seen it
[20:45:51] <alex_joni> anti-ex sux
[20:45:59] <alex_joni> especially the price on the motors
[20:46:09] <les> yes it does
[20:46:29] <les> $200 for a 200 watt motor
[20:47:02] <alex_joni> I have 1.5kW motors on my robots
[20:47:07] <alex_joni> or bigger
[20:47:08] <les> I have a cheap way out in my poor spray booth
[20:47:08] <alex_joni> AC
[20:47:16] <alex_joni> use wires
[20:47:16] <alex_joni> :D
[20:47:21] <les> I pressurize the room
[20:47:24] <alex_joni> make a hexapod like
[20:47:27] <alex_joni> with what?
[20:47:32] <alex_joni> compressed air?
[20:47:34] <les> air
[20:47:47] <les> fan is outside of explosive environment
[20:48:06] <alex_joni> right
[20:48:11] <les> but for the robot I will need anti ex
[20:48:20] <les> it is going to cost some
[20:48:48] <les> theta, radius, z
[20:48:56] <les> pick and place
[20:48:56] <Phydbleep> ROFL.. Hektor, Graffiti for the artisticly challenged. :)
[20:49:09] <les> I got a kick out of it
[20:50:07] <les> radius and z I think hollow thomson shafts with rack
[20:50:41] <les> I don't need extreme accuracy
[20:50:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni bought a nice pc today
[20:50:48] <les> but do need speed
[20:50:56] <alex_joni> 2 x 966MHz Xeon
[20:50:58] <les> what kind?
[20:51:00] <alex_joni> 1 GB Ram
[20:51:06] <les> hheh
[20:51:19] <alex_joni> SCSI 2x9 GB
[20:51:23] <alex_joni> pretty small..
[20:51:29] <alex_joni> about 100$
[20:51:36] <les> not bad
[20:51:41] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega drop his jaw
[20:51:54] <alex_joni> yeah..
[20:51:56] <alex_joni> pretty nice
[20:52:00] <alex_joni> 500W power supply
[20:52:19] <asdfqwega> Yeow...where'd you get a nice buy like that?
[20:52:31] <alex_joni> a friend of mine
[20:52:43] <alex_joni> err.. was 100 EUR
[20:52:47] <alex_joni> so a bit more than 100$
[20:52:53] <alex_joni> but it's heavy
[20:52:54] <alex_joni> :D
[20:53:01] <alex_joni> 18 kg desktop
[20:53:06] <asdfqwega> :P I should a good bit more than $100
[20:53:40] <alex_joni> I wonder what I should do with it
[20:53:50] <asdfqwega> Give it to me :P~~~
[20:53:56] <alex_joni> :P
[20:54:02] <alex_joni> not my dilemma right now
[20:54:11] <alex_joni> should I use it as a server or workstation
[20:54:33] <asdfqwega> If it has the graphics, workstation
[20:54:44] <les> I was not on the computer much today
[20:54:47] <alex_joni> it has some shitty graphics card
[20:54:49] <alex_joni> 16 MB
[20:54:50] <les> in the spray booth
[20:54:56] <alex_joni> but dual monitor
[20:55:12] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: I already offered you a Dual P-II box (1 cpu/card) and you turned it down..
[20:55:19] <alex_joni> a lot of expansion slots
[20:55:24] <jepler> 16 MB dual monitor? I guess 1600x1200 * 32BPP * 2 is just less than 16 megs
[20:55:25] <alex_joni> 4xPCI
[20:55:33] <alex_joni> 3xPCI64
[20:55:39] <alex_joni> 1xAGP
[20:55:44] <alex_joni> jepler: might be ;)
[20:55:49] <jepler> so replace the video
[20:55:50] <alex_joni> but I don't use 1600x1200
[20:56:03] <alex_joni> probably would be a good ideea
[20:56:09] <alex_joni> use it for CAD
[20:56:17] <jepler> my employer recently spoiled me with a 1600x1200 LCD display
[20:56:22] <alex_joni> nice
[20:56:26] <alex_joni> 19" ?
[20:56:29] <jepler> 20"?
[20:56:32] <alex_joni> or bigger?
[20:56:34] <alex_joni> NICE
[20:56:46] <les> my office box is 1.8 P4...about two thirds through it's useful life I guess
[20:56:51] <alex_joni> I still got my old 21" huge trinitron
[20:56:56] <jepler> Dell 2001FP
[20:57:08] <alex_joni> nice
[20:57:21] <alex_joni> I bought a nice Fujitsu SIemens 19" TFT
[20:57:25] <alex_joni> for about 400 EUR
[20:57:42] <les> I still use crts....liquid crystal etc does not have good enough color for art stuff
[20:57:44] <alex_joni> was thinking about placing 2 of those on my GeForce
[20:57:53] <alex_joni> les: recent one do
[20:57:55] <jepler> I'm considering a 17" 1280x1024 LCD for at home. I'd like one with pivot support, for reading PDFs
[20:57:59] <alex_joni> I was thinking the same
[20:58:02] <les> oh?
[20:58:22] <alex_joni> that FujitsuSiemens I bough.. oh man, the colors
[20:58:28] <alex_joni> a lot better than CRT's
[20:58:31] <jepler> though we tried out the rotation support for nvidia here at work -- the acceleration is lousy, it's quite slow.
[20:58:34] <alex_joni> 12 ms
[20:58:51] <alex_joni> pretty slow for games & such, but I don't do games
[20:58:54] <alex_joni> so I don't mind
[20:59:02] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep prefers Radius fullpage units.
[20:59:06] <alex_joni> heh.. this thing still works
[20:59:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is connected through pptp to his office lan
[20:59:38] <alex_joni> I got a nice modem today
[20:59:39] <les> I only do flight simulator...but not so much as a game...I try to keep pilot skills in practice
[20:59:41] <alex_joni> wireless
[20:59:45] <alex_joni> does 2.4 MBit
[20:59:52] <alex_joni> theoretically at least
[21:00:31] <alex_joni> EVDO is the technology called
[21:05:18] <jepler> distance?
[21:05:30] <alex_joni> it's like a cellular
[21:05:34] <alex_joni> not my network
[21:05:41] <alex_joni> I only connect to it
[21:05:52] <alex_joni> 2.4 MBit is available only in big cities right now
[21:06:09] <alex_joni> but 250kbit is pretty much available anywhere
[21:06:46] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: EU/Europe only though?
[21:07:07] <alex_joni> .ro is for sure
[21:07:14] <alex_joni> not sure about rest of europe
[21:07:16] <alex_joni> lemme check
[21:08:16] <alex_joni> us too
[21:08:44] <jacky^> hi Phydbleep
[21:08:50] <alex_joni> http://www.wirelessinternetcoverage.com/
[21:08:56] <Phydbleep> Hi jacky^ :)
[21:11:21] <jacky^> hey Phydbleep :-)
[21:12:13] <alex_joni> hey Phydbleep & jacky^
[21:14:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:14:47] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:14:52] <les> night
[21:14:59] <jacky^> goodnight
[21:40:53] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos reads the logs
[21:41:09] <SWPadnos> les: have you seen the Eizo ColorEdge LCD monitors?
[21:48:25] <les> sorry was talking to paul
[21:48:33] <les> no I have not seen them
[21:49:37] <les> All I know is that color rendition in wallmart type lcd monitors is not good enough for artwork
[21:49:41] <SWPadnos> they're about the best color you can get (CRT or LCD) for less than $10k
[21:49:49] <SWPadnos> wal-mart = crap
[21:49:50] <les> gasp
[21:50:05] <SWPadnos> they're $1800-$2700
[21:50:27] <les> I can get pretty good color tweeking a $150 CRT...
[21:50:44] <SWPadnos> not good calibrated color
[21:50:47] <les> hate the giant box on the desk though.
[21:51:12] <les> I can calibrate it to some extent
[21:52:21] <jepler> aha -- when emc2 fails to run for some reason, the load increases by 1 until reboot
[21:52:29] <jepler> but anyway, I got axis to run on emc2 here at home
[21:52:30] <SWPadnos> Sure - a reasonably cheap CRT can look pretty good - but I'm used to the requirements of pro photographers, so I'm picky :)
[21:53:44] <les> yeah...well I do all those Giclees and lithos and color separation things for my relative's art gallery
[21:54:02] <les> they are picky too
[21:54:23] <SWPadnos> check out the clearance page at LaCie
[21:54:41] <les> ok I will google it
[21:54:41] <SWPadnos> http://www.lacie.com/products/clearance/products/?id=10010
[21:54:45] <les> ty
[21:55:52] <les> calibration thing is neat
[21:56:15] <les> oops phone...someone coming to the shop
[21:56:21] <les> bbiaw
[21:57:33] <robin_sz> meep?
[21:58:05] <robin_sz> not an entirely wasted day then?
[21:59:29] <les> aw I was stuck n the spray booth
[21:59:37] <les> must make that robot
[21:59:45] <les> quick!!!
[21:59:45] <robin_sz> heh
[22:00:00] <robin_sz> lets see now ..
[22:00:21] <robin_sz> before you couldnt make one due to the turkey call production ..
[22:00:28] <robin_sz> then you had a few mnths off ...
[22:00:40] <robin_sz> and is turkey call season nearly here again?
[22:00:59] <les> no...getting smarter...this is for next year
[22:01:12] <robin_sz> heh :)
[22:01:24] <robin_sz> I need to build my powder coat booth
[22:01:34] <les> customer agreed to buy next year's stuff gradually now and hold the inventory
[22:01:53] <robin_sz> nice
[22:02:07] <robin_sz> so regular slow prodcution instead of mad rush?
[22:02:22] <les> But still...I must not paint.
[22:02:24] <les> yeah
[22:03:10] <les> I am supposed to be designing spray guns...not using them!
[22:03:32] <jepler> For AXIS, is there some #define I can check for to tell emc2 vs emc1?
[22:07:39] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, is there a how-to on getting axis 1.0 final to run on the BDI (4.20)?
[22:08:16] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: No. Chris and I tried one day, but we couldn't get OpenGL programs to not crash the X server.
[22:10:44] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, so what's the solution? ditch the BDI, and install some other distro?
[22:11:51] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: Have you tried the version of axis that is included? Does it work for you? (it didn't for us)
[22:12:43] <jepler> meaning "doesn't crash or crash the X server or machine within a minute"
[22:15:22] <A-L-P-H-A> no.
[22:15:26] <A-L-P-H-A> doesn't work.
[22:15:31] <A-L-P-H-A> it starts, and then dies.
[22:15:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I was once able to get to the about screen.
[22:15:37] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[22:15:47] <A-L-P-H-A> but just freezes that thread... and I gotta kill it.
[22:17:02] <jepler> after getting emc2 working, I do intend to look at bdi4/emc1.5 again
[22:39:03] <A-L-P-H-A> reading is good... I finally figured out how to make a new page on wiki.linuxcnc.org
[22:43:43] <jepler> and in fact I've just checked in EMC2 support on AXIS HEAD
[22:43:49] <jepler> http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/downloads/nightly
[22:44:11] <A-L-P-H-A> how about EMC1.5 support?? :D
[22:44:48] <jepler> first I need to figure out where I can install bdi420 here at home
[22:48:47] <jepler> the last time, did I ask you whether "glxgears" runs?
[22:53:40] <A-L-P-H-A> no
[22:53:44] <A-L-P-H-A> what's glxgears?
[22:53:54] <A-L-P-H-A> you never asked.
[22:53:57] <robin_sz> command line app
[22:54:05] <robin_sz> runs a gl based test example
[22:54:17] <robin_sz> if that runs, other stuff stands a chnace
[22:54:42] <A-L-P-H-A> brb then
[22:55:52] <alpha_emc> yup
[22:55:53] <alpha_emc> works fine
[22:56:02] <robin_sz> good :)
[22:56:08] <alpha_emc> ~45-48 fps
[22:56:14] <alpha_emc> oops
[22:56:22] <alpha_emc> ~9-10 fps
[22:56:29] <alpha_emc> but emc is running in the backgroun
[22:56:31] <alpha_emc> d
[22:56:44] <robin_sz> sounds OK
[22:57:15] <robin_sz> so the openGL instal lis probably OK at least
[23:00:40] <robin_sz> so .. I have a service engineer guy coming to look at the laser tomorow ... will be interesting to see if he knows more than I do ;)
[23:00:56] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[23:01:12] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz the inhouse guru
[23:01:40] <robin_sz> I hope he does know more than me ...
[23:01:52] <robin_sz> because there are bits I dont know ...
[23:07:22] <CIA-4> 03paul_c 07NML_take_2 * 10emc2/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): First stab at rationalising the NML messages - Comments in emc2.hh
[23:22:32] <jepler> on the machine where chris and I were playing with emc2, "glxgears" would reset the X server after about 2 seconds...
[23:37:04] <robin_sz> nasty
[23:37:24] <robin_sz> mmm .. I just bought some digital calipers on ebay ...
[23:37:32] <robin_sz> 500mm :)