#emc | Logs for 2005-05-31

[02:10:59] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[02:17:19] <A-L-P-H-A> hey swampy
[02:19:01] <SWPadnos> ah - hi
[02:20:51] <A-L-P-H-A> jmk left. dang it.
[02:20:58] <A-L-P-H-A> I wanted to tell him about my ventures
[02:21:02] <SWPadnos> yeah - just as I arrived. Hmmmm
[02:23:48] <SWPadnos> and on that note - see you later :)
[02:24:06] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[02:32:51] <Jymmm> lol
[02:45:46] <A-L-P-H-A> well, I didn't want to tell him my adventures... just jmk, and weyland.
[02:46:51] <Jymmm> see how you are! =)
[02:48:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm an wanna be elitist.
[02:48:04] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[02:48:13] <A-L-P-H-A> just my reaming adventures...
[02:49:18] <Jymmm> kinky. no wonder you only wanted to tell SOME of the guys.
[02:52:06] <Jymmm> damn I want to try that tapping head from HF, but I'm chicken.
[02:52:16] <A-L-P-H-A> can you buy and return?
[02:52:21] <A-L-P-H-A> buy, try, return?
[02:52:28] <Jymmm> not available in store, only mail
[02:52:36] <A-L-P-H-A> so you loose out on shipping.
[02:53:31] <Jymmm> couple weeks ago I bought $108 worth of stuff. returned $60 so far, and have to return $35 more this week.
[02:53:41] <Jymmm> s/35/25/
[02:54:08] <Jymmm> the $20 trim router started melting the plastic 20 seconds after turning it on.
[02:54:19] <Jymmm> with just a bit chucked, no other load.
[02:54:42] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahhaha
[02:54:44] <A-L-P-H-A> AWESOME.
[02:55:47] <Jymmm> the only thing remaining is the angle grinder, a 10pk of grinder blades, and a 10ppk of cuttoff blades for it.
[02:56:42] <Jymmm> bbl DVD
[02:56:49] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland.
[02:56:54] <weyland> Hey there
[02:57:04] <A-L-P-H-A> that spindle thing... loctite 609 is my friend.
[02:57:12] <A-L-P-H-A> chemicals are my friend.
[02:57:16] <weyland> Great~! Glad to hear it
[02:57:19] <weyland> lol
[02:57:37] <A-L-P-H-A> uh, some toolmaker told me to do this...
[02:57:47] <weyland> if it were me, I'd still regrind that ream, though
[02:58:05] <weyland> just for future use
[02:58:18] <A-L-P-H-A> since it's a one off, and ONLY the spindle needs to be concentric... just diple the housing to kinda knarwl it, and use loctite 609. Press everything together, and I should be good.
[02:58:21] <weyland> actually, I think it was John's idea
[02:58:32] <weyland> okay, kewl
[02:58:42] <A-L-P-H-A> The guy will do it for like ~$25-35 CASH, to have it reground.
[02:58:51] <weyland> that's pretty good
[02:59:27] <A-L-P-H-A> I've spent sooo much this weekend.
[02:59:44] <weyland> I know the feeling, I'm getting ready to convert a lathe
[03:00:02] <weyland> gotta get the mill running right first, tho
[03:00:22] <weyland> I went and looked at some of those pics of yours
[03:00:24] <A-L-P-H-A> $400 ipod, $40 on a haircut and highlights, $50 for dinner tonight, $15 for lunch, shit pizza on friday, ipod assessories, what the hell did I eat on Saturday and Sunday?
[03:00:28] <A-L-P-H-A> $15wings.
[03:00:34] <weyland> You running that lathe on emc?
[03:00:35] <A-L-P-H-A> $20 at the pub.
[03:00:48] <weyland> $40 on a haricut?!?!?!? and you're still that ugly'?
[03:00:52] <A-L-P-H-A> crap, that ream + arbor $105
[03:01:04] <A-L-P-H-A> cutting bits $15.
[03:01:15] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck that's all in less than a week. that's half a week!
[03:01:17] <weyland> learning something - PRICELESS
[03:02:00] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland, this tool guy, said since it's a 1+ reamed hole... getting +0.001" oversized reamed hole for my length, is actually pretty damn good. That's what the tool guy was saying.
[03:02:08] <A-L-P-H-A> 1"+ reamed
[03:02:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I did learn it.
[03:02:35] <A-L-P-H-A> it's not too bad... I'm happy at least. :D
[03:02:46] <weyland> kewl
[03:02:56] <A-L-P-H-A> it=something
[03:04:10] <weyland> You running that lathe on emc?
[03:04:17] <A-L-P-H-A> oh sorry, missed that
[03:04:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm running turboCNC on the lathe.
[03:04:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm getting to the point of going to EMC.
[03:05:24] <A-L-P-H-A> emc, is good for milling, but not really lathe work. TurboCNC was originally made to work for the lathe, so lots of specialized lathe codes
[03:05:25] <weyland> kewl, lemme know how it works out
[03:05:42] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland? the CNC? or the spindle?
[03:05:50] <weyland> both actually
[03:05:57] <A-L-P-H-A> the CNC has been done for like 3 year.s
[03:06:02] <A-L-P-H-A> the spindle is the new adventure
[03:06:54] <weyland> I toyed with the idea of building my own lathe because I'm not happy with what's available at a decent price, but have decided to settle on a used small one for now, since it'll be a dedicated machine
[03:07:13] <weyland> I'd love to find an old Hardinge to convert
[03:07:25] <weyland> that'd be perfect
[03:07:33] <A-L-P-H-A> my neightbour has one... but he paid $1800 CDN.
[03:07:41] <A-L-P-H-A> $1500USD.
[03:07:44] <weyland> yeah... not much different down here
[03:07:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a schaublin 102N.
[03:08:36] <weyland> I found an import 7 x 12 for reall cheap that I'm gonna use
[03:09:19] <weyland> I hate using something like that, but it's too hard to pass up at the price I'm getting it
[03:09:27] <A-L-P-H-A> well, if you're only using for the spindle, tailstock (which would need to be tweaked), and the gantry... replacing everything with good quality screws, you should be okay.
[03:09:39] <A-L-P-H-A> the run out on those things I'm hearing are getting good.
[03:09:54] <weyland> not even gonna use the tail
[03:10:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I wouldn't mind a 9x18 lathe.
[03:10:03] <weyland> just the head and carriage
[03:10:12] <weyland> and the screw for now
[03:10:18] <A-L-P-H-A> threading?
[03:10:24] <weyland> no, not yet
[03:10:40] <weyland> emc doesn't do it, and the parts are VERY easily threaded by hand
[03:10:55] <weyland> I need it for contouring
[03:11:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't thread... the last owner of the lathe, fucked up the gears, and tossed the whole setup.
[03:11:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I was quiet disappointed.
[03:11:17] <weyland> that sux
[03:11:43] <A-L-P-H-A> now I have to thread with the digitally... (encoder, and computer controlled movements)
[03:11:53] <A-L-P-H-A> not "THAT" bad... but oh ohwell.
[03:12:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I got the WHOLE shop for like $4K CDN.
[03:12:20] <A-L-P-H-A> a CNCd lathe, a mill (8x26) bench top, and loads of other stuff.
[03:12:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I've made all my money back and MORE already.
[03:13:04] <weyland> yeah... that's always a great feeling
[03:13:07] <weyland> :)
[03:13:25] <A-L-P-H-A> heck, yeah. If I had space in the garage, I'd probably make myself a wood routing table system.
[03:13:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I still yet may.
[03:13:53] <weyland> I'm planning to do a 4x4 plasma table eventually
[03:14:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I want a 4x8 for full length MDF boards.
[03:14:20] <A-L-P-H-A> custom cabinets... etc.
[03:14:26] <A-L-P-H-A> GOOD freak'n money in that.
[03:14:32] <weyland> I would rather a full 4x8, but need the space
[03:14:34] <A-L-P-H-A> god, it's GOOD money in that
[03:14:43] <weyland> if I could make it collapsable, I might
[03:14:57] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug> it's either my car, junk, or a wood router 4x8. I prefer the wood router.
[03:15:03] <A-L-P-H-A> my cars can do the outdoors things.
[03:15:04] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[03:15:20] <A-L-P-H-A> make some anchors into the concrete floor.
[03:15:32] <A-L-P-H-A> bolt down the whole thing.
[03:16:05] <A-L-P-H-A> fly LES up to my place, and get him to scrap it all down for me. hahahaha. Les, will'n do that? How much in beer can I pay you?
[03:16:44] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland, suspended from the ceiling? crane hoist to lower and raise it?
[03:16:54] <weyland> I thought of that...
[03:17:07] <weyland> but there's the whole water trap and everything...
[03:17:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I "COULD" do that in my garage, but I sure wouldn't want to.
[03:17:19] <weyland> I still might, I'm still thinking on it
[03:17:45] <A-L-P-H-A> 4x8, would take up probably 5x9 feet of space.
[03:18:13] <weyland> yeah
[03:18:38] <weyland> I gotta get back to writing code
[03:18:53] <A-L-P-H-A> Maybe do it up in wood first... and critical stuff in metal. Like this is gonna be for making sings, and cabinets... nothing critical in tolerances.
[03:18:59] <A-L-P-H-A> catch you later
[03:19:17] <weyland> kewl, glad your bearings worked out
[03:19:19] <weyland> l8r
[03:22:01] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: What do you want for the small mill?
[03:22:14] <A-L-P-H-A> huh?
[03:22:19] <A-L-P-H-A> who's selling a mill?
[03:22:33] <Phydbleep> I thought you just bought out a shop?
[03:22:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a 26x8 mill. it's not for sale.
[03:22:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I bought that shop like 3 years ago.
[03:22:56] <Phydbleep> Rats.. And other unpopular rodents. :\
[03:22:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I've sold the stuff I didn't want already. :D
[03:24:29] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, I think you can regularly find that sized mill for like $1200USD
[03:24:34] <A-L-P-H-A> new
[03:24:45] <A-L-P-H-A> bridge ports go for cheap, depending on what city you're in.
[03:24:54] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has ~$12..
[03:25:01] <A-L-P-H-A> $12.00?
[03:25:21] <Phydbleep> And I have to put that in the gas tank tomorrow. :)
[03:25:37] <Phydbleep> $12.00..
[03:26:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INLMKD&PMPXNO=12094121&PMAKA=ZH307-3387
[03:27:22] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: I have more but I would have to raid Mamed (Kayli's Neo-Geo piggy bank) and roll change.
[03:28:31] <A-L-P-H-A> see... the issue is more like... you gotta make mounting plates, and get motors + drivers.
[03:28:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I would replace the screws with ballscrews myself.
[03:28:48] <A-L-P-H-A> which I did to mine.
[03:31:04] <A-L-P-H-A> Neo-Geo piggy bank? I thought Neo-Geo was a console.
[03:32:12] <Phydbleep> Full size arcade Neo-Geo MVS cabinet..
[03:32:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[03:32:48] <A-L-P-H-A> And Keyli's your daughter?
[03:32:51] <A-L-P-H-A> kayli
[03:33:03] <Phydbleep> http://www.hardmvs.com/xml/usa/usCabs.htm
[03:33:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I need not know thing info.
[03:33:15] <Phydbleep> Yeah, She's almost 4
[03:33:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I just thought of a product idear.
[03:34:50] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. I gutted it out, installed a 19" Mitsubishi Diamondscan from the surplus dumpster and stuck in a pull-out P-III 1GHz.
[03:35:34] <A-L-P-H-A> you need a real 25" in there.
[03:35:36] <Phydbleep> Idear? Is that like an 'idea' with retro styling or something?
[03:35:55] <Phydbleep> <jk> :)
[03:35:55] <A-L-P-H-A> making prefab'd cabinets. just assemble.
[03:36:37] <Phydbleep> Oh boy... iKea for x-mame.. :\ ROFL!
[03:37:45] <Phydbleep> Actually that would work for cocktail cabinet kits. :)
[03:38:15] <Phydbleep> And they're really popular with people that used to hang out in bars. :)
[03:52:34] <A-L-P-H-A> you mean the video poker things?
[03:55:55] <Phydbleep> No, the little machine in a table things.
[03:57:04] <Phydbleep> http://home.xnet.com/~patster/defcock.htm
[03:57:33] <Phydbleep> Although the bartops might sell well too.
[04:00:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I've _NEVER_ seen those.
[04:01:36] <Phydbleep> Cocktail cabs are really easy.. 6 pieces of main skin, 10 small pieces for the control mounts, some braces/forms and a slab of glass..
[04:01:51] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[04:02:57] <Phydbleep> The whole thing should 'self-crate' into a ~ 32"x36"x6" box.
[04:03:14] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. ikea style dude!
[04:03:18] <A-L-P-H-A> IKEA style.
[04:03:19] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Hey man, Go get your mail. :)
[04:03:27] <A-L-P-H-A> flat pack shipped out the door deal.
[04:03:50] <Phydbleep> Yeppers. :)
[04:04:59] <Phydbleep> That's why I said 'iKEA for X-Mame' :)
[04:05:04] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[04:05:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I want to make an box for my ipod.
[04:05:21] <A-L-P-H-A> an alu amoured box.
[04:05:26] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[04:05:34] <A-L-P-H-A> with the appropriate port holes.
[04:05:48] <A-L-P-H-A> only issue is that I don't think I can get the itrop to work on it afterwards.
[04:06:01] <A-L-P-H-A> itrip
[04:06:07] <Phydbleep> itrip?
[04:06:17] <Phydbleep> You trip?
[04:06:28] <A-L-P-H-A> itrip, IPOD to FM radio transmittor.
[04:06:33] <A-L-P-H-A> limit is like 10 to 30 ft.
[04:06:41] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Where've you been drinking the kool-aid?
[04:06:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I never liked kool-aid.
[04:54:11] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[04:54:11] <asdfqwega> See
[05:22:33] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[05:22:35] <anonimasu> morning people
[05:32:55] <Jymmm> yo
[05:35:12] <A-L-P-H-A> eh?
[05:37:09] <Phydbleep> Morning anonimasu. :)
[05:37:44] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has been installling a new bathtub.
[05:38:18] <Jymmm> old one break?
[05:38:42] <Phydbleep> Nope, Adding one.
[05:39:20] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a almost 4 year old who thinks camping in the bathroom is fun.
[05:39:28] <Jymmm> lol
[05:43:41] <Phydbleep> And a cat that' s eating an Oreo... ???
[05:45:49] <A-L-P-H-A> is it a black and white cat?
[05:46:21] <Phydbleep> BLACK/WHITE/TABBY BLOTCHES
[05:46:28] <Phydbleep> Arrgh!
[05:47:00] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep changes the batteries in the keyboard and mouse as a pre-emptive strike.
[05:47:02] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... is it one of those chromosomal disorder cats?
[05:47:19] <A-L-P-H-A> woohoo! someone else that has a wireless KB and mouse.
[05:47:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm not the only one.
[05:49:01] <A-L-P-H-A> go CANADA! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4594765.stm
[05:49:07] <Phydbleep> Mall-Wart had Compaq wireless kb/mouse combos on clearance for $25..
[05:52:21] <Jymmm> I'm not keen in wireless kybd/mice
[05:53:02] <A-L-P-H-A> this is sweet... I turned off the graphics for slashdot, and using the RSS + adblock.
[05:53:05] <Phydbleep> Yeah, The only saving grace of this mouse is it's one of the optical ones..
[05:53:07] <A-L-P-H-A> everything loads like a charm.
[05:53:10] <A-L-P-H-A> and FAST!
[05:53:13] <A-L-P-H-A> fast is always important.
[05:53:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I enjoy wireless... I type from my lap... so I move the KB around A LOT. So I always break the cable.
[05:53:56] <Phydbleep> Otherwise it'd be a real bitch to find when it falls off the desk and bounces.
[05:54:17] <Jymmm> or batteries die at the critical moment.
[05:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> always have standbys
[05:54:57] <Phydbleep> But, if it lands belly-up it has this lovely "Here I am stupid" strobe going on..
[06:07:47] <asdfqwega> Hmm...now, how do I keep a local CVS for me to work on, and keep it synchronised with the SF CVS?...
[06:22:27] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: cron?
[06:25:51] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: use the update command with cvs and trigger it with a cron job. :)
[06:28:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep... got any more treadmill motors?
[06:28:59] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[06:30:06] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26226&item=7518777440&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[06:30:07] <A-L-P-H-A> ohoh. :D
[06:30:58] <Phydbleep> I had a 2hp with a simple controller (single knob, no speed feedback), but I gave it to a balloonatic toput on his sewing machine so he can sew more ballons. :
[06:31:10] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26226&item=7519508047&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[06:31:38] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep. :) well... it's me going dumpster shopping soon.
[06:32:58] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Exercise equipment places.. I keep telling you that..
[06:33:55] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Where are you?
[06:34:57] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: That Pacific Scientific is just like the one on my lathe.
[06:35:35] <Phydbleep> The 1.5 hp that is.
[06:36:20] <Phydbleep> Precor 905e/910 series treadmill uses that motor.
[06:38:36] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: I actually have 1 more motor, but i 'd rate it ~1/3 hp continous and it has a pressed on flywheel/fan/serpentine pulley. :\
[06:38:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I can press it OFF. :)
[06:39:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I have bearing pulling tools.
[06:40:14] <Phydbleep> You'll want a puller that clamps around the pulley.. There no way to get fingers/hooks in between.
[06:40:44] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the rpm on it?
[06:41:21] <Phydbleep> Hang on a sec..
[06:41:36] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep digs for the cheap digicam.
[06:47:30] <Phydbleep> 100VDC 14A 4900RPM
[06:48:34] <A-L-P-H-A> 100VDC at 14amps. 4900rpm.
[06:48:40] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... I can manage that.
[06:48:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 120VAC to 90VAC -> rectifier.
[06:48:59] <A-L-P-H-A> shit, that power supply is gonna be costly.
[06:49:06] <A-L-P-H-A> something rated for 14amps.
[06:49:08] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes.
[06:49:34] <Phydbleep> Yep.. 15amp HF router speed controller with a 200volt 20amp diode bridge plugged into it. :)
[06:50:26] <A-L-P-H-A> how much is the HF router speed controller? or you bought the router, and scrounged the controller?
[06:50:42] <Phydbleep> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=43060
[06:51:05] <Phydbleep> Yep.. It's going to break your budget.. $12.50. :)
[06:51:19] <A-L-P-H-A> + shipping.
[06:51:24] <A-L-P-H-A> which I don't think they ship to Canada.
[06:51:28] <A-L-P-H-A> or do they now? I can't remember.
[06:51:35] <Phydbleep> The diode bridge should be <$5
[06:51:48] <A-L-P-H-A> I have the bridge rectifier.
[06:52:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess I could pump that motor with ~140VDC (after cleaning the ripples)... and just not run it at 100duty.
[06:54:17] <Phydbleep>
[06:54:35] <Phydbleep>
[06:54:37] <Phydbleep>
[06:55:07] <Phydbleep> I have the ears that make the base a standard style.
[06:56:24] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[06:56:33] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks for the photos.
[06:56:37] <A-L-P-H-A> it's 3am now... time to sleep
[06:56:40] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao
[06:56:46] <Phydbleep> Laters. :)
[08:41:26] <anonimasu> hm..
[08:41:27] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[08:43:15] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder if you could build a HF supply, and a avr, to control the frequency
[08:44:21] <Phydbleep> What kind of HF supply?
[08:44:59] <anonimasu> for controlling a highspeed spindle..
[08:47:22] <anonimasu> high speed / high rpm
[09:02:37] <asdfqwega> well, time to go to work :/
[10:01:52] <jacky^> morning
[12:04:56] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[13:11:06] <bpmw> Morning all is was just looking for Weland. He been around today yet?
[13:11:29] <alex_joni> morning
[13:12:48] <bpmw> Any body have any experienc with z-axis that work off a worm gear?
[13:13:23] <alex_joni> nope .. sorry ;)
[13:14:42] <bpmw> Ok, Thanks. I'll try and get ahold of Weyland as he has a smaller version of my mill!
[13:15:41] <bpmw> Have a Great day, back to drafting!
[13:15:43] <alex_joni> right.. if you see weyland
[13:15:51] <alex_joni> ask him if tool compensation works now
[13:15:55] <bpmw> go ahead.
[13:15:59] <alex_joni> I commited some code to make it work
[13:16:06] <alex_joni> ask him to test it
[13:16:12] <bpmw> ok.
[13:16:24] <alex_joni> thx
[13:17:10] <bpmw> I'll probable end up giving him a phone call but not sure what time it is in florida right now!
[13:18:29] <alex_joni> heh
[13:18:41] <alex_joni> bpmw: where are you located?
[13:19:27] <bpmw> I'M up in central Canada. It's 8:18 am not sure how far back or ahead Florida is!
[13:19:50] <alex_joni> it's a bit more here
[13:19:53] <alex_joni> [16:18] <alex_joni> it's a bit more here
[13:21:05] <bpmw> You mean 4:18 pm?
[13:21:12] <alex_joni> yup
[13:21:18] <alex_joni> preparing to go home from work ;)
[13:21:57] <bpmw> Wow I just started my day!
[13:22:02] <alex_joni> nice ;)
[13:22:07] <bpmw> LOL
[13:22:11] <alex_joni> I still got plenty of mine
[13:22:18] <alex_joni> usually till 2-3 am
[13:23:17] <bpmw> Ok, I'm usually till 12:30, have to get up at 6:00 am to drive into city for work.
[13:24:39] <alex_joni> not nice ;)
[13:26:05] <bpmw> It's Ok. I'm used to it. Look for Lake Winnipeg on a map. I live 4 Km south of the mouth on the Red River!
[13:26:41] <alex_joni> hmmm.. winnipeg sounds awfully familiar
[13:26:50] <alex_joni> some movie ? can't remember
[13:27:04] <bpmw> Really?
[13:27:24] <alex_joni> http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~gmccullo/LWsat.htm
[13:27:27] <jacky^> afternoon
[13:27:46] <alex_joni> is that tiny dot you in the satellite pic?
[13:27:49] <alex_joni> *g*
[13:27:50] <alex_joni> hey jacky
[13:27:52] <jacky^> hi alex_joni :)
[13:28:04] <bpmw> could be!
[13:29:49] <bpmw> Any way I'll catch you later I'd better start earning my pay! Bye.
[13:53:06] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[14:03:03] <alex_joni> hey steve
[14:03:53] <steve_stallings> hi alex
[14:03:59] <alex_joni> what's new?
[14:04:36] <steve_stallings> same old, same old, busy as he%$# but not getting much done
[14:04:56] <alex_joni> right.. here it's too damn hot
[14:05:02] <alex_joni> can't think straight ;)
[14:05:29] <steve_stallings> it has been cooler than usual here, very pleasant
[14:05:46] <alex_joni> heh
[14:05:58] <alex_joni> it's about 30 C now :(
[14:06:03] <alex_joni> but it feels like a lot more
[14:06:21] <steve_stallings> I'm sure we will pay for it later, August and September are very humid and hot here
[14:07:58] <steve_stallings> only 30 C, that is actually mild, we sometimes run 35 C for weeks
[14:09:58] <steve_stallings> morning Ray
[14:10:25] <alex_joni> yo rayh
[14:10:33] <alex_joni> steve: we get abou 40 in the summer :(
[14:10:33] <rayh> Hi Guys.
[14:11:09] <rayh> How do I reverse the polarity of a read pin in HAL?
[14:11:21] <alex_joni> what pin?
[14:12:05] <rayh> I'm trying out amp faults
[14:12:22] <alex_joni> usually you have 2 pins for parport
[14:12:27] <alex_joni> normal and negated
[14:12:41] <alex_joni> so you can connect to the inverted one
[14:12:55] <alex_joni> Each physical input has two corresponding HAL pins, named
[14:12:55] <alex_joni> 'parport.<portnum>.pin-<pinnum>-in' and
[14:12:55] <alex_joni> 'parport.<portnum>.pin-<pinnum>-in-not'.
[14:12:57] <rayh> Oh.
[14:13:13] <rayh> Okay. I get it.
[14:13:28] <alex_joni> if that doesn't suit your needs, maybe you can convince jmk for a small inverter (LS04 type) ;)
[14:13:36] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs to go home
[14:13:38] <alex_joni> later guys
[14:13:44] <rayh> Catch you later alex.
[14:13:50] <alex_joni> rayh: I think the diameter / tool compensation works now
[14:13:59] <alex_joni> but I never used it before.. so not sure it does
[14:14:02] <alex_joni> can you check?
[14:14:36] <alex_joni> bubye
[14:15:58] <steve_stallings> Ray, was the "Econo" that you mentioned for CNC
[14:16:14] <steve_stallings> Workshop a local independent or Econolodge?
[14:18:08] <rayh> Let me look at the list from cnc-workshok
[14:19:27] <rayh> Econo-Inn - 1475 N. Henderson St - Galesburg - 309-344-2401 - Approx 7 miles - www.econoinn.net
[14:19:54] <rayh> Is the place I stayed. It was a haven for lifers and truckers. Might not be the thing you want.
[14:22:28] <steve_stallings> Oh, I don't know, I cheap 8-)
[14:23:07] <rayh> Then it's what you want.
[14:24:15] <steve_stallings> but, but, but, no internet 8-(
[14:24:36] <rayh> Life's a bitch.
[14:25:41] <rayh> I've got to try to set up a wireless card with my laptop and use it as a router
[14:25:58] <SWP_Away> just buy a ($30-$50) wireless access point
[14:26:03] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[14:26:16] <rayh> Mornin SWPadnos
[14:26:19] <SWPadnos> hiya
[14:26:37] <rayh> Can you explain the access point a bit more or a link.
[14:26:45] <SWPadnos> I'll look for a link
[14:27:00] <SWPadnos> the advantage of an access point is that it's also a small switch, and your computer can be rebooting without losing the connection
[14:27:07] <steve_stallings> wireless router, E-net upstream
[14:27:23] <SWPadnos> yes and no - there are ones that go both ways (how kinky)
[14:27:51] <rayh> I need to go from wireless to ethernet hub or switch.
[14:27:54] <steve_stallings> you never cease to amaze me with your "knowledge"
[14:28:20] <SWPadnos> heh :)
[14:28:29] <rayh> for using carnal knowledge?
[14:28:59] <rayh> I wonder who put the "ed" on it.
[14:29:46] <steve_stallings> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5250809&type=product&id=1051384664188
[14:30:16] <SWPadnos> ooh -they're a little more than I ws thinking - like $150
[14:30:34] <SWPadnos> it's a wireless bridge, like this one http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=35&prid=615
[14:30:40] <steve_stallings> $79
[14:31:42] <SWPadnos> I'm not positive that those will do the job - I suppose I should check mine
[14:32:18] <fenn_afk> ebay has wireless access points for ~$30 incl shipping
[14:33:09] <fenn_afk> fenn_afk is now known as fenn
[14:33:14] <rayh> Wah. This is what I need here. http://www.microdaq.com/maxstream/xpress/indoor.php
[14:33:17] <SWPadnos> I've got a Linksys WGT624 (a DSL router), which has a 4-port switch, an upstream 10/100 port, and dual channel wireless - those are around $35 on PriceWatch
[14:34:15] <SWPadnos> OK - Linksys WET11, $66 on PriceWatch
[14:34:23] <SWPadnos> http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=33&scid=36&prid=602
[14:34:31] <fenn> rayh 2.5dB gain.. is that any better than a standard wireless card?
[14:34:58] <SWPadnos> that's the difference between industrial and consumer products :)
[14:35:07] <SWPadnos> (the $699 vs. $67)
[14:35:43] <fenn> 1000' max range is about the same as my $30 belkin
[14:35:57] <SWPadnos> as a belkin wireless ethernet product?
[14:36:48] <fenn> no, it's a router
[14:37:11] <SWPadnos> this may also work, but itsays youneed WinBlows for the configuration utility: http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/wge101nar.html
[14:37:30] <SWPadnos> a Belkin wireless router?
[14:37:52] <fenn> just saying that so-called "hi performance" wireless cards still have to obey the same fcc regulations as all the others... usually they all transmit maximum power anyway
[14:38:20] <SWPadnos> yep - 1W (or is that 3WW) spread spectrum
[14:40:14] <rayh> I ran a 25 watt AM carrier current till the FCC saw it is San Francisco. About 60 miles
[14:41:37] <fenn> do they actually track down the transmitting station and drive up in a pickup truck to tell you to stop?
[14:42:03] <SWPadnos> armored vehicle :)
[14:42:26] <fenn> nah just drop a smart bomb on it.. less chance of a confrontation that way
[14:42:36] <SWPadnos> steve_stallings: if you want to stay 40 miles away (in Davenport or Peoria), there are hotels with internet access (pools, too)
[14:43:40] <steve_stallings> the Econo has a pool, they just have the wrong priorities I guess
[14:44:26] <SWPadnos> yeah - and what kind of creatures inhabit the pool - that's what I'd want to know
[14:45:08] <steve_stallings> more of your "knowledge" I guess
[14:45:29] <steve_stallings> ducking....
[14:45:40] <SWPadnos> no - that's Ray's knowledge :)
[14:46:28] <steve_stallings> SWP - are you going to CNC Workshop?
[14:46:39] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, I don't think so
[14:56:35] <steve_stallings> Ray - Econo claims to have wireless Internet
[14:57:09] <fenn> all this talk of wireless routing reminds me of a project UC indymedia was working on... sort of a wireless internet neighborhood for sharing DSL access
[14:57:14] <fenn> cuwireless.net
[14:58:29] <rayh> Econo probably gets it from a neighbor if you are in one of the rooms on the back of the building.
[14:58:48] <steve_stallings> great 8-(
[15:18:48] <steve_stallings> Ray - how much current were you recommending for contacts of limit switches?
[15:19:45] <fenn> q: do you guys run the motor power line through the limit switches? as a failsafe
[15:19:56] <fenn> in general, i mean
[15:20:54] <steve_stallings> no, limit switches typically connect to computer only on "hobby" machines
[15:21:47] <steve_stallings> E-Stop however should kill power without assistance from computer
[15:22:06] <fenn> so you have a separate e-stop monitoring electrical box/
[15:22:16] <fenn> basically just a relay
[15:22:24] <rayh> Oh I like enough to break down any oxydation.
[15:22:41] <rayh> 15-20 ma
[15:23:05] <rayh> Unless the thing is out in the oil and then I like enough to burn up the building.
[15:23:42] <fenn> run a tig welder through your switches
[15:23:48] <steve_stallings> how about 5 mA from 5 volt source on board, tolerate external 24 volt and whatever pullup you like?
[15:24:17] <rayh> On estop, I tend to start with the computer pin. Use it to pull a relay then link the external estop stuff through that.
[15:26:05] <rayh> sounds good to me, steve.
[15:26:19] <steve_stallings> K
[15:38:00] <rayh> Okay on your advice I've got a linksys wet11 on the way for retroFest.
[15:42:40] <ValarQ> hello folks
[15:42:48] <ValarQ> * ValarQ is afoot
[15:43:28] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos plans a trip to Zimbabwe during CNC workshop
[15:44:53] <SWPadnos> you'll want a hub or switch as well
[15:57:40] <rayh> Got one of em herel
[15:58:05] <SWPadnos> cool - wouldn't want a repeat of Fest networking woes :)
[15:58:18] <SWPadnos> (and bring a power strip too :) )
[15:58:34] <rayh> Yes dear!
[15:59:07] <SWPadnos> and clean behind your ears
[15:59:27] <rayh> NFW!
[15:59:43] <SWPadnos> then you can't go out and play in the mud
[16:33:41] <anonimasu> hm
[16:33:43] <anonimasu> mor work to do tonight
[16:33:45] <anonimasu> more..
[16:33:51] <anonimasu> machine delivery tomorrow
[16:34:20] <anonimasu> :)
[16:36:32] <anonimasu> fenn: I live your advice on tig welders and limit switches..
[16:36:33] <anonimasu> :)
[16:36:35] <anonimasu> love
[17:06:21] <bpmw> Hello All just hanging out. On lunch break!
[17:13:53] <rayh> How's the backlash?
[17:14:39] <bpmw> Still have to tighten up worm on z-axis but x&y are awesome!
[17:15:45] <rayh> Great.
[17:15:55] <bpmw> Hows things with you Ray?
[17:16:10] <rayh> worm on z. how's that work
[17:16:14] <rayh> Good.
[17:16:44] <bpmw> Worm drives rack on spindle.
[17:17:28] <bpmw> RF45 is a Mill/Drill
[17:18:09] <bpmw> It's the same as Weyland's only bigger.
[17:18:46] <jacky^> hi rayh
[17:18:51] <jacky^> hi bpmw
[17:19:05] <bpmw> Hi jacky!
[17:19:43] <ValarQ> hi jacky
[18:07:33] <alex_joni> seems my logger died ;)
[18:07:38] <alex_joni> but it lives again
[18:07:45] <SWPadnos> there was a netsplit a little while ago
[18:07:51] <alex_joni> right
[18:07:59] <alex_joni> it's pretty dumb ;) (the logger)
[18:08:12] <alex_joni> doesn't really notice when he lost connection, so he retries :(
[18:08:36] <SWPadnos> what kind of script/program is that?
[18:08:39] <alex_joni> rayh: you around?
[18:08:44] <alex_joni> SWP: some shitty perl
[18:08:49] <SWPadnos> excellent
[18:09:08] <alex_joni> and I really don't want to study perl too
[18:09:23] <SWPadnos> Perl: making impossible tasks possible, and possible tasks unrecognizable
[18:09:28] <alex_joni> lol
[18:11:00] <alex_joni> anyways... I was wondering if the toll offset stuff works now..
[18:11:10] <alex_joni> tool even
[18:11:44] <ValarQ> yay, ppl are throwing poo att perl :)
[18:11:57] <alex_joni> ValarQ: always ;)
[18:12:10] <alex_joni> ValarQ: you a perl fan?
[18:12:16] <ValarQ> alex_joni: no
[18:12:34] <ValarQ> alex_joni: i'm an ANSI C coder that have learned to use python
[18:12:51] <rayh> Yep I'm here in spirit. Some of kde has died.
[18:12:52] <alex_joni> right.. guess you'll like axis then :)
[18:13:05] <alex_joni> died? let's bury it ;)
[18:13:22] <SWPadnos> PERL does have a good quality - you can use nearly every language facility on every platform the PERL is written for (almost no proprietary extensions)
[18:13:23] <ValarQ> alex_joni: yeah, i saw it was made in python :)
[18:13:44] <SWPadnos> better than Java in that respect, I think
[18:13:58] <SWPadnos> (not that I'd ever use Java for anything other than a demo)
[18:14:04] <alex_joni> SWP: but not as good as C#
[18:14:07] <rayh> * rayh is restarting kde and will return.
[18:14:16] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prepares to get kicked
[18:14:17] <alex_joni> :D
[18:14:19] <SWPadnos> yeah - works on every platform it's been developed for (Windows)
[18:14:25] <alex_joni> lol
[18:14:31] <alex_joni> but not always good ;)
[18:14:41] <alex_joni> try going on pre win2k.. :)
[18:14:43] <SWPadnos> or at least, worke /the same/ on every one ofit's single platform
[18:14:45] <SWPadnos> works
[18:16:49] <ValarQ> what adeos settings do i need to use in the kernel config?
[18:17:07] <ValarQ> (threads and profiling)
[18:17:18] <SWPadnos> I think defaults were fine, except that you need to enable adeos
[18:17:27] <alex_joni> ValarQ: go based on the standard BDI config
[18:17:33] <ValarQ> ok
[18:17:33] <alex_joni> and what SWP said
[18:17:34] <SWPadnos> he's installing on Gentoo
[18:17:41] <alex_joni> oh.. ok
[18:17:56] <alex_joni> ValarQ: remember that ACPI and APM might get you into trouble
[18:18:03] <alex_joni> so you might want to switch those off
[18:18:05] <ValarQ> i'll have to create a .ebuild for it
[18:18:19] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ok, i will
[18:18:23] <alex_joni> mv .config .ebuild
[18:18:27] <alex_joni> :)
[18:18:27] <SWPadnos> that would be nice - I had noticed that there isn't one
[18:18:34] <ValarQ> alex_joni: they didn't make me happy anyway
[18:18:42] <alex_joni> who didn't ?
[18:18:56] <SWPadnos> APM and ACPI
[18:19:02] <SWPadnos> (I'd bet)
[18:19:20] <alex_joni> heh
[18:19:32] <alex_joni> rayh: tried tool compensation in emc2?
[18:19:42] <rayh> Not since yesterday.
[18:20:08] <alex_joni> yesterday evening?
[18:20:14] <alex_joni> or when we talked?
[18:20:42] <rayh> When we talked.
[18:20:56] <rayh> Got a network problem getting to the box right now.
[18:21:03] <alex_joni> bugger that :)
[18:21:04] <rayh> will update the new asap.
[18:21:14] <alex_joni> btw, got that script running?
[18:22:04] <alex_joni> the one for iptables ?
[18:24:24] <rayh> Yes.
[18:24:37] <alex_joni> nice to hear that :)
[18:28:38] <rayh> Okay running again
[18:29:34] <ValarQ> * ValarQ is compiling a new kernel
[18:31:55] <ValarQ> how do i tell the emc2 autotools that i want to use adeos?
[18:32:19] <SWPadnos> heh - you know you're out of date when portage takes 10 minutes to update its cache
[18:32:28] <alex_joni> ValarQ: you need to tell it to find rtai
[18:32:44] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ok
[18:32:46] <alex_joni> the installed part of rtai (usually /usr/realtime)
[18:32:55] <alex_joni> but it really should find it itself
[18:33:00] <SWPadnos> you'll have to reboot to the new kernel, compile and install RTAI, then build emc2, with ./configure first
[18:33:05] <alex_joni> if not.. tell me what RTAI you used,
[18:33:13] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: oh, ok
[18:33:36] <ValarQ> what rtai version is recomended?
[18:33:51] <alex_joni> depends on the kernel you run
[18:33:54] <alex_joni> or plan to run
[18:34:01] <alex_joni> but 3.2 should be ok
[18:34:03] <SWPadnos> 3.1 or 3.2 - don't get the Fusion (development) branch - it doesn't work for EMC
[18:34:39] <ValarQ> okidoke
[18:34:53] <alex_joni> but you are encouraged to make it work
[18:35:09] <SWPadnos> thank you
[18:35:15] <SWPadnos> (for the encouragement)
[18:35:33] <ValarQ> gotta create an ebuild for rtai as well...
[18:35:35] <SWPadnos> I believe there are pretty radical shared memory changes
[18:36:04] <SWPadnos> heh - 257 config files in /etc and 50 config files in /usr/X11R6 need updating :)
[18:37:32] <ValarQ> oops, broken library dependencies in lilo
[18:37:36] <alex_joni> sh*t
[18:37:39] <ValarQ> that doesn't happend very often
[18:37:46] <alex_joni> seems the stuff jmk did broke the run
[18:37:52] <alex_joni> and I advised him to do it ;)
[18:38:22] <SWPadnos> well - don't do that!
[18:39:43] <ValarQ> * ValarQ reboots
[18:39:50] <SWPadnos> see ya
[18:40:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wouldn't reboot with a broken lilo
[18:40:14] <alex_joni> *grin*
[18:40:16] <SWPadnos> heh - there is that
[18:40:16] <rayh> HAL: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.spindle_on' not found
[18:40:16] <rayh> HAL config file standard_pinout.hal failed.
[18:40:31] <alex_joni> rayh: noticed it myself
[18:40:34] <alex_joni> working on it
[18:40:56] <alex_joni> till I fix it, remove the last 4 lines in configs/standard_pinout.hal
[18:43:34] <rayh> Okay the tkemc display does show tool 1 as current if t1m6 is issued.
[18:43:46] <alex_joni> right
[18:43:51] <alex_joni> now do the G42/G43
[18:44:02] <rayh> Does not affect the interpreter's failure to use d1 offset.
[18:44:20] <alex_joni> tell me about that
[18:45:41] <rayh> The interpreter is not computing the tool diameter offset when it issues a move using g42
[18:46:17] <rayh> I'll show both commands in a minute.
[18:46:36] <alex_joni> ok
[18:50:20] <ValarQ> alex_joni: lilo was broken and did send me a lot of funny warnings, it worked thougth
[18:50:37] <ValarQ> alex_joni: my biggest problem is my ide-controller card
[18:52:51] <alex_joni> scrap it
[18:53:00] <ValarQ> hmm, the rtai makefile wants to move my system files around
[18:53:01] <alex_joni> plug in a punch card reader
[18:53:05] <ValarQ> heh
[18:53:18] <ValarQ> do i have to run make as root?
[18:53:39] <rayh> This is about 20 lines. Want it here or just to alex?
[18:54:22] <ValarQ> * ValarQ gets some compile errors :(
[18:54:24] <SWPadnos> let's all have a look :)
[18:54:27] <alex_joni> anyway is ok
[18:54:37] <alex_joni> but you'll get kicked by pasting 20 lines to the channel
[18:54:39] <alex_joni> chanell
[18:54:44] <rayh> This is the output of the interpreter included with emc2
[18:54:44] <rayh> COMMENT: interpreter: cutter radius compensation on right
[18:54:45] <rayh> emcTaskPlanExecute(g42 d1 x0) returned 0
[18:54:45] <rayh> emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
[18:54:45] <rayh> Outgoing motion id is -7.
[18:54:46] <rayh> emcTaskIssueCommand()
[18:54:47] <rayh> Issuing EMC_TRAJ_LINEAR_MOVE -- (+220,+60, +0,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,)
[18:54:49] <rayh> case EMC_TRAJ_LINEAR_MOVE_TYPE
[18:54:51] <rayh> usrmotWriteEmcmotCommand()
[18:54:54] <rayh> usrmotWriteEmcmotCommand() success (0)
[18:54:55] <rayh> emcTaskIssueCommand() returning: 0
[18:54:57] <rayh> Motion id -7 took 0.895911 seconds.
[18:54:59] <rayh> Motion id 0 took 0.000001 seconds.
[18:55:01] <rayh> This is the output of the interpreter included with bdi-4.20
[18:55:03] <rayh> Issuing EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE -- (+509,+268, +6,g42d1x0,)
[18:55:05] <rayh> emcTaskPlanExecute(g42d1x0) returned 0
[18:55:07] <rayh> Outgoing motion id is -3.
[18:55:09] <rayh> Issuing EMC_TRAJ_SET_VELOCITY -- (+205,+20, +0,1.007905,)
[18:55:11] <rayh> Issuing EMC_TRAJ_LINEAR_MOVE -- (+220,+60, +0,-0.015625,-0.124020,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,)
[18:55:14] <rayh> Motion id -3 took 1.036579 seconds.
[18:55:16] <rayh> Motion id 0 took -0.000000 seconds.
[18:55:23] <alex_joni> what g-codes did you use?
[18:55:42] <rayh> The EMC_TRAJ_LINEAR_MOVE tells the tale
[18:55:52] <websys> Ray - are we still on for the end of the month?
[18:56:11] <alex_joni> G42 D1
[18:56:13] <rayh> Yes. You bet. What days will you be there?
[18:56:15] <alex_joni> G01 X0 ?
[18:56:30] <websys> Planing on Fri - Sat
[18:57:18] <rayh> Do you need PC or mill equipment from me?
[18:57:39] <websys> We will bring PC's/projector
[18:57:54] <websys> If there's a place to project
[18:58:29] <rayh> Certainly. We can arrange an area for you. I'll talk with Roland and make certain we are ready for you.
[18:58:58] <websys> Thanks - been to busy porting our stuff to an AMD 64
[18:59:12] <rayh> alex_joni: the g42 move is a preparatory from x-1
[18:59:33] <rayh> That sounds like an interesting project. I've been admiring 64 motherboards.
[18:59:49] <alex_joni> I did this:
[18:59:50] <alex_joni> M6 T1
[18:59:56] <alex_joni> G42 D1
[19:00:11] <websys> Getting bitten by code I wrote 20 years ago when I assumed a char * was an int
[19:00:18] <alex_joni> looking at the tool file (for tool 1 I have 0.1 tool and 0.1 diameter)
[19:00:28] <alex_joni> G01 X2 Y2 F10
[19:00:39] <rayh> Ouch. Times do change. Took me a long time to get over fortran.
[19:00:43] <alex_joni> and it moves to : X=2.0347 Y=1.9640
[19:01:33] <websys> Been thru Fortran->Pascal->C already - getting used to change
[19:01:45] <alex_joni> hey Bob, how've you been?
[19:02:00] <websys> Too busy with 64 bit ints
[19:02:18] <rayh> Ah may have got bitten by no tbl file.
[19:03:11] <alex_joni> try setting it by tkemc
[19:03:17] <alex_joni> should create the table file
[19:03:20] <fenn> * fenn grumbles about the shitty documentation for NML
[19:03:29] <alex_joni> click on Offset (but I guess you should know that)
[19:03:34] <alex_joni> fenn: what's the problem?
[19:04:01] <fenn> it's like doxygen stuff, but written by hand
[19:04:23] <fenn> there's no "this is how it works, this is how you use it" section
[19:04:30] <alex_joni> right ;)
[19:04:45] <alex_joni> if you got any questions.. I might have known the answer
[19:05:01] <rayh> nope. No tool offsets.
[19:05:11] <fenn> just trying to see what the fuss is all about.. and getting in a fuss myself
[19:06:15] <alex_joni> did a G01 X0 Y0 -> X=-0.0353 and Y=0.0353
[19:08:02] <rayh> No help text with 2 eh?
[19:10:38] <rayh> Okay after I edit the tbl file with tkemc and reload it works.
[19:10:59] <rayh> Must be missing an initialization code in the interpreter.
[19:13:17] <alex_joni> yup
[19:13:30] <alex_joni> another version is:
[19:13:36] <alex_joni> M6 T1
[19:13:47] <alex_joni> use tkemc to set the compensation
[19:13:51] <alex_joni> then issue G42
[19:15:58] <rayh> You do not need to have tool 1 active in order to use it's offset
[19:16:24] <alex_joni> right
[19:16:35] <alex_joni> G42 D1 says to use the diameter from tool 1?
[19:16:47] <rayh> What seems to be missing on startup is the load tool table
[19:17:47] <alex_joni> ok.. I'll check
[19:17:53] <alex_joni> can you paste some g-code to test?
[19:18:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni knows very little about G40-42
[19:19:09] <rayh> My tests work here after calling up tool editing and pressing the load table.
[19:19:54] <alex_joni> right
[19:21:32] <rayh> I see some sort of thing with load_tool_table being different in rs274ngc_pre.cc line 815
[19:22:43] <rayh> seems to me that it ought to be
[19:22:45] <Imperator_> Hi all
[19:22:49] <rayh> _setup.rs274ngc_load_tool_table();
[19:22:59] <fenn> alex_joni, when using x-forwarding over ssh to run an emc gui, how much bandwidth does it take? and latency? and do you need any special windows binaries other than cygwin?
[19:24:26] <SWPadnos> fenn: I haven't measured the required bandwidth, but it's not noticeable on a 10/100 network
[19:24:37] <SWPadnos> and you don't need anything special other than CygWin/X
[19:24:52] <alex_joni> fenn: I did run it on slow connections
[19:24:54] <alex_joni> and it works
[19:25:03] <SWPadnos> (unless ssh is considered "special")
[19:25:05] <alex_joni> I was limited by the PC itself (an old 300 MHz)
[19:25:16] <fenn> cool.. so, the question then, is why does it matter if nml can support remote connections?
[19:25:19] <alex_joni> rayh: looking now
[19:25:51] <alex_joni> because you can't connect the task running on one pc with io running on another pc
[19:25:57] <SWPadnos> because the use of X forwarding is a silly way to get a remote GUI
[19:25:59] <alex_joni> with the motion running on another pc
[19:26:07] <alex_joni> SWP: it's ok for gui
[19:26:12] <alex_joni> but for nothing more
[19:26:17] <SWPadnos> remote machine controller, I should have said
[19:26:19] <alex_joni> like connect 2 modules from emc
[19:26:36] <fenn> in order to distribute processor load? (does that still matter?)
[19:26:56] <alex_joni> fenn: you might have a PC that does IO
[19:27:04] <alex_joni> and another for motion
[19:27:18] <SWPadnos> possibly just to distribute the controls so they're near the item being controlled
[19:27:25] <alex_joni> right
[19:28:08] <ValarQ> * ValarQ is having a hard time compiling rtai
[19:28:35] <alex_joni> ValarQ: the beginning is hard
[19:28:38] <SWPadnos> what's the issue(s)
[19:28:47] <ValarQ> compile errors :(
[19:28:51] <SWPadnos> it went trouble-free for me (I think)
[19:29:12] <SWPadnos> it's been a while since I did it
[19:29:13] <ValarQ> rtai-3.2/base/include/asm/rtai_shm.h:52: varning: passing arg 1 of `pmd_offset' from incompatible pointer type
[19:29:40] <ValarQ> i think i have to study the code for a while to try and figure out whats wrong
[19:29:57] <SWPadnos> try 3.1
[19:29:57] <alex_joni> that's a warning not an error
[19:30:01] <alex_joni> :)
[19:30:08] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: same problem
[19:30:23] <ValarQ> alex_joni: ops
[19:30:23] <alex_joni> good programmers simply cat warnigns > /dev/null
[19:30:25] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:30:31] <SWPadnos> hardly ;)
[19:31:03] <alex_joni> SWP: kidding ;)
[19:31:03] <ValarQ> * ValarQ always uses -ansi and -pedantic
[19:31:16] <ValarQ> here we go...
[19:31:18] <ValarQ> rtai-3.2/base/sched/sched.c:846: error: structure has no member named `used_math'
[19:31:41] <SWPadnos> you did do ./configure and make config, right?
[19:31:59] <SWPadnos> rtai
[19:32:03] <ValarQ> nope
[19:32:06] <SWPadnos> oops - wrong keyboard :)
[19:32:41] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Did you get your cameras fixed?
[19:33:01] <SWPadnos> or at least make {x,g,menu}config
[19:33:31] <SWPadnos> Phydbleep: just looking at it again now (I goofed off most of the weekend)
[19:34:50] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Did you find the info on the 'flying spot' cameras?
[19:36:09] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: i tried it again, same problem
[19:39:05] <SWPadnos> and you rebooted to the ADEOS-enabled kernel?
[19:40:15] <ValarQ> yeah
[19:40:24] <alex_joni> SWP: wanna hear something hilarious ?
[19:40:27] <ValarQ> and i have checked it with uname
[19:40:29] <SWPadnos> sure
[19:40:32] <alex_joni> _setup.tool_table[n] SET_TO GET_EXTERNAL_TOOL_TABLE(n);
[19:40:43] <alex_joni> snip from RS274NGC
[19:40:54] <alex_joni> in emc2 it reads:
[19:40:55] <alex_joni> _setup.tool_table[n] = GET_EXTERNAL_TOOL_TABLE(n);
[19:41:13] <SWPadnos> heh - gotta use the preprocessor for setting things, you know :)
[19:41:18] <alex_joni> WHY would a SANE person use "SET_TO" instead of "=" ?????
[19:41:33] <SWPadnos> so they don't screw up and do == ?
[19:41:43] <alex_joni> I wouldn't be surprised if it were a class overloaded thingy
[19:41:47] <SWPadnos> oh - a SANE person - sorry
[19:41:59] <daryl> Programmers sane?
[19:42:07] <alex_joni> some still are
[19:42:11] <daryl> :)
[19:42:19] <alex_joni> ok.. so the day has come
[19:42:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni dives into the interpreter aswell
[19:42:36] <SWPadnos> ValarQ: I get a bunch of warnings, but no errors - wanna check through the RTAI config?
[19:42:40] <daryl> Has anyone played with Cenon?
[19:42:57] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: looks like the linuxguys moved used_math into a bitvector, could that be it?
[19:45:42] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: rtai-3.2/base/sched/sched.c:846 uses ((tast_t *)prev)->used_math
[19:46:22] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: while my kernel only got a set of macros to alter 'flags'
[19:46:52] <ValarQ> * ValarQ changes stuff, tests and breaks his machine
[19:46:55] <SWPadnos> I have no file that even closely matches base/sched/sched.c in RTAI 3.1
[19:47:22] <SWPadnos> there is an rtai-core/sched/rtai/sched_up.c
[19:47:30] <ValarQ> i can check
[19:49:39] <SWPadnos> I actually have no base/ directory
[19:49:44] <SWPadnos> which made me start to wonder
[19:51:04] <weyland> alex_joni: you here?
[19:51:09] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: my linuxkernel doesn't have used_math in the task struct, thats my problem
[19:52:35] <SWPadnos> alex_joni: note that they have also provided us with macros for and (&&), or (||), is (==), isn't (!=) etc.
[19:53:08] <alex_joni> how about retval.length = TO_PROG_LEN(FROM_EXT_LEN(retval.length)); ?
[19:54:17] <SWPadnos> ValarQ: I can't even find the directory you have the error in, which makes me wonder
[19:54:33] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: thats odd
[19:54:38] <SWPadnos> alex_joni: that makes sense - change from "external" length to "programmed" length
[19:54:46] <alex_joni> heh.. yeah
[19:54:55] <alex_joni> just looks odd on the first look
[19:55:13] <alex_joni> the whole code does changing from mm to inch to userspecified units
[19:55:16] <alex_joni> :(
[19:55:44] <SWPadnos> ah - 3.2 is significantly different from 3.1 - hold on a minute
[19:56:15] <SWPadnos> well - the machine (and therefore the tool file) could be in inches, and the ptrogram in mm
[19:56:23] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: i get the same problem with 3.1 thought
[19:56:55] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: task->used_math isn't supported, rtai really should use the macros
[19:57:44] <rayh> I reads both the var and tbl files in terms of whatever units it is using when read.
[19:58:15] <alex_joni> right
[19:58:25] <alex_joni> rayh: there's nothing wrong with the interp
[19:58:27] <SWPadnos> it shouldn't - g20 and g21 shuoldn't change the dimensions of tools
[19:58:37] <alex_joni> the interp gets the values from IO
[19:58:38] <SWPadnos> (or did I misunderstand?)
[19:58:42] <alex_joni> through emcioStatus
[19:58:56] <alex_joni> SWP: that's the unit specified by g-code
[19:59:07] <alex_joni> you also have the unit specified by the ini file
[19:59:14] <alex_joni> and the "native" unit
[20:00:21] <SWPadnos> yep - so there should be *some* conversion in there :)
[20:00:24] <alex_joni> and a few hybrid ones on the way I bet ;)
[20:00:31] <SWPadnos> miles
[20:00:35] <SWPadnos> (big CNC)
[20:00:46] <SWPadnos> BIG CNC!
[20:02:59] <alex_joni> angstroms
[20:03:04] <alex_joni> and microns
[20:04:54] <rayh> "<alex_joni> rayh: there's nothing wrong with the interp" does this mean get_tool_table or units?
[20:06:08] <alex_joni> get_tool_table
[20:06:17] <alex_joni> the interp does it's work ok
[20:06:25] <alex_joni> but it uses an external tool_table from IO
[20:06:30] <alex_joni> and I think it's not set up right
[20:06:33] <alex_joni> looking now
[20:06:49] <alex_joni> but first I gotta figure what the sequence at startup is
[20:07:18] <rayh> okay I'll watch for a while. not much use in the internals.
[20:09:06] <alex_joni> wish cradek was around
[20:09:11] <alex_joni> cradek: u there?
[20:13:22] <SWPadnos> I got no errors on an rtai-3.2 compile
[20:13:32] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: what kernel?
[20:13:32] <SWPadnos> this is on Linux 2.6.9-adeos
[20:13:41] <Phydbleep> Does anybody in here have to ability to cast iron?
[20:13:51] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: maybe this change is made after 2.6.9
[20:13:56] <SWPadnos> could be
[20:13:57] <alex_joni> yay.. I think it works now
[20:13:58] <ValarQ> * ValarQ is rolling a patch
[20:14:00] <alex_joni> lemme clean up
[20:14:04] <SWPadnos> what processor are you on
[20:14:06] <SWPadnos> ?
[20:14:10] <alex_joni> nurse: close the patient, will you ?
[20:14:20] <SWPadnos> CLAMP!
[20:14:21] <ValarQ> SWPadnos: AMD 32bit
[20:14:22] <alex_joni> I said close...
[20:14:28] <SWPadnos> sponge
[20:14:30] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep hands ValarQ the Zig-Zags.
[20:14:32] <SWPadnos> OK - same as me
[20:14:33] <alex_joni> and I don't care if NML hangs out of his belly
[20:14:39] <alex_joni> just stuff it back in there
[20:14:44] <SWPadnos> you need a tap anyway
[20:15:03] <alex_joni> yes like that.... now push it hard to make it fit
[20:15:26] <Phydbleep> ROFL... Coder Porn... :D
[20:15:42] <SWPadnos> good thing guts are compressible
[20:15:49] <alex_joni> not very
[20:17:11] <jacky^> hi
[20:17:36] <Phydbleep> Hi jacky^ :)
[20:17:52] <jacky^> hey Phydbleep
[20:18:15] <cradek> alex_joni: I'm around, but very busy
[20:18:20] <cradek> alex_joni: need something quick?
[20:19:17] <alex_joni> cradek: was gonna ask you how to use the gdb
[20:19:24] <alex_joni> but I got it working eventually
[20:19:24] <SWPadnos> oh well
[20:19:26] <alex_joni> so .. thx
[20:19:35] <weyland> whoops... baq
[20:19:45] <SWPadnos> I wanted to ask him the 327,608,109'th digit of pi
[20:19:46] <alex_joni> weyland: hello
[20:19:54] <alex_joni> cradek: was gonna ask you how to use the gdb
[20:19:55] <weyland> hey there
[20:19:55] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/emc/iotask/ioControl.cc: forced a tool_table load on startup. this ensures when the interp runs GET_EXTERNAL_TOOL_TABLE from emccanon, emccanon already has the loaded values in emcioStatus.tool.toolTable
[20:20:00] <alex_joni> but I got it working eventually
[20:20:05] <cradek> oh good
[20:20:07] <alex_joni> cradek: thx anyways
[20:20:11] <cradek> sure
[20:20:18] <ValarQ> weehoo, it compiles!
[20:20:23] <weyland> alex_joni> heard you were looking for me
[20:20:33] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep still wants to know if anyone in here can cast iron.
[20:20:40] <alex_joni> yeah.. you got me fixing that tool comp. stuff
[20:20:40] <weyland> alex_joni: heard you were looking for me
[20:20:47] <weyland> oh kewl~!
[20:20:49] <alex_joni> now test it ...
[20:20:50] <alex_joni> :)
[20:20:50] <SWPadnos> Phydbleep: yes, but I have no experience or equipment for it
[20:20:56] <weyland> sure~!
[20:20:58] <weyland> how?
[20:20:59] <alex_joni> just 2 more mins.. it's not fully there ;)
[20:21:04] <SWPadnos> (I'm sure I can do it though)
[20:21:06] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: :P
[20:21:11] <alex_joni> you need a fresh cvs checkout
[20:21:22] <weyland> that the cvs -Pa thing?
[20:21:32] <alex_joni> cvs up should be enough
[20:21:50] <weyland> thatz it? just "cvs up" ?
[20:21:59] <alex_joni> yup
[20:22:03] <weyland> okay, kewl\
[20:22:06] <alex_joni> but you need to be in emc2/emc2jmk
[20:22:08] <weyland> lemme know when
[20:22:12] <weyland> right
[20:22:46] <weyland> should I sudo that?
[20:22:58] <alex_joni> nope
[20:23:01] <weyland> okay
[20:23:18] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.run: moved the io load a bit sooner, so the hal files can see the pins exported by the iocontroller
[20:23:22] <alex_joni> you need: "cd ~emc2/emc2jmk"
[20:23:26] <alex_joni> "cvs up"
[20:23:29] <alex_joni> "make"
[20:23:32] <alex_joni> then run it
[20:23:36] <weyland> gotcha
[20:23:46] <weyland> standing by...
[20:23:53] <alex_joni> should be done.. but if you are using anonymous cvs access.. it might take a while to propagate
[20:24:11] <alex_joni> still you can use it (still a bug in there, you need to manually load the tool table)
[20:24:13] <weyland> how long? and is there a way other than that?
[20:24:41] <weyland> you mean like tell it "load tool table"?
[20:24:53] <jacky^> hey guys, in all over the net can't find a simple schematic how to connect in parallel 3 optical interrupters to the parallel port :\ i'm googling since a week ago ghghg :\
[20:25:11] <alex_joni> tkemc->view->tools
[20:25:16] <jacky^> i'm died :(
[20:25:18] <alex_joni> Load Tool Table (is a button)
[20:25:30] <weyland> got it, trhanks
[20:25:35] <alex_joni> jacky: what do you mean in parallel?
[20:25:40] <SWPadnos> weyland: are you registered on SourceForge?
[20:25:44] <alex_joni> to the same pin?
[20:25:46] <Phydbleep> jacky^: The opto's are ttl(5V logic) right?
[20:25:54] <weyland> SWPadnos: yes
[20:26:05] <jacky^> alex_joni: the first connected togheter with the second and so on..
[20:26:18] <SWPadnos> OK - just wanted to be sure you wouldn't end up on the (delayed) anonymous CVS server
[20:26:26] <alex_joni> jacky: so you want all the limits on the same parport pin?
[20:26:39] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Is this limit switches or what?
[20:26:52] <jacky^> Phydbleep: sorry.. havo no idea if are ttl 5V, i know that one for time work well
[20:26:55] <weyland> SWPadnos: how would I know?
[20:27:03] <weyland> is the procedure different?
[20:27:11] <weyland> different command?
[20:27:13] <alex_joni> weyland: yes
[20:27:18] <jacky^> yes, i would like to use as limit switches
[20:27:25] <SWPadnos> did you check out with your name (cvs ... -d:ext: ...), or with -d:pserver:...
[20:27:25] <weyland> then I'm sure I don't know how
[20:27:28] <ValarQ> does emc2 want to use C++ code in kernelspace?
[20:27:39] <alex_joni> you need an account, then you'll get registered as a developer (if you can code :)
[20:27:41] <jacky^> but actually i can use onli one switch for pin
[20:27:43] <SWPadnos> ValarQ: not at the moment
[20:27:46] <alex_joni> then you can use the dev access
[20:27:51] <ValarQ> good
[20:27:53] <SWPadnos> and never if some people have their way ;)
[20:27:53] <alex_joni> ValarQ: probably never ;)
[20:28:06] <ValarQ> very good
[20:28:08] <weyland> I defintely used pserver
[20:28:14] <alex_joni> right
[20:28:17] <alex_joni> and that's ok
[20:28:21] <alex_joni> did the cvs up ?
[20:28:26] <weyland> not yet, now?
[20:28:33] <alex_joni> sure
[20:28:54] <alex_joni> and remember to do it again tomorrow, it should be ok by then
[20:28:56] <SWPadnos> alex_joni: I thought the pserver was delayed a bit (or was that just cvsweb?)
[20:29:11] <alex_joni> rayh: finished on the stuff.. you might wanna check it out... if you got the time
[20:29:14] <alex_joni> SWP: it is
[20:29:15] <weyland> done, doing make now
[20:29:18] <SWPadnos> OK
[20:29:28] <alex_joni> SWP: what I did yesterday already kinda worked
[20:29:36] <weyland> error
[20:29:37] <alex_joni> today I had only a minor thing to fix
[20:29:38] <SWPadnos> ah - that's kinda good
[20:29:51] <alex_joni> weyland: smthg about parport.0. ?
[20:29:54] <ValarQ> "unknown symbol in module", hmm
[20:30:10] <weyland> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
[20:30:24] <alex_joni> weyland: go to src/ first
[20:30:25] <alex_joni> then make
[20:30:29] <weyland> oops
[20:30:36] <weyland> I should know that...
[20:30:40] <alex_joni> ValarQ: when in doubt, clean everything and start over
[20:30:48] <alex_joni> weyland: sh*t happens :)
[20:31:21] <weyland> YES~! I do... :)
[20:31:25] <ValarQ> alex_joni: i have to extract my code changes first...
[20:31:33] <weyland> brb, gonna run it
[20:31:36] <Phydbleep> jacky^: You want 'OR gates'.. 74LS32 chip.
[20:32:27] <jacky^> i can get it now.. but is there some schematic online ?
[20:32:43] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Hang on a few..
[20:32:55] <jacky^> :-) ok,
[20:34:07] <Phydbleep> jacky^: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_3/7.html
[20:34:10] <weyland> alex_joni: doesn't like it
[20:34:14] <weyland> errors
[20:34:26] <weyland> first I had to replace teh hal and ini
[20:34:29] <weyland> and then I got
[20:34:32] <weyland> Starting emc...
[20:34:36] <weyland> /home/weyland/emc2/emc2jmk/rtlib/motmod.ko base_period=50000 servo_period=1000000 traj_period=10000000 key=101
[20:34:37] <weyland> HAL: ERROR: pin 'iocontrol.0.spindle_on' not found
[20:34:37] <weyland> HAL config file standard_pinout.hal failed.
[20:34:38] <weyland> Shutting down and cleaning up EMC...
[20:34:38] <weyland> Cleanup done
[20:34:42] <Phydbleep> jacky^: That has the breakdown of the OR gate and the 'truth table' for it.
[20:34:58] <jacky^> yes, i've seen
[20:35:07] <alex_joni> weyland: yup.. a small error in there ;)
[20:35:14] <jacky^> thanks a lot, i'm in debit :-)
[20:35:20] <alex_joni> open emc2jmk/configs/standard_pinout.hal
[20:35:25] <alex_joni> and remove the last 4 lines
[20:35:27] <weyland> anything I need to do, or is it on yer end?
[20:35:32] <weyland> okay
[20:35:38] <weyland> brb
[20:35:57] <alex_joni> I did this already.. but it'll be available later :/ , so you need to do it yourself
[20:36:02] <Phydbleep> jacky^: http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/logicsim/man/node5.html#SECTION00512000000000000000
[20:36:51] <Phydbleep> jacky^: You should be at a part of the page labeled "Two Input Gates"
[20:37:08] <jacky^> well.. ok
[20:37:55] <Jymmm> Two Input XAND Gates =)
[20:38:06] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/configs/standard_pinout.hal: fixed a typo, and changed pin 10 with pin 9 for spindle-on. Seems the default parport has pin 10 as input
[20:38:09] <Jymmm> </smartass>
[20:38:26] <alex_joni> Fido: you could do some wired OR's
[20:38:33] <alex_joni> pullups can handle that
[20:38:38] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Cascade the stages of the chip.. Tie PIN-3 to PIN-4.. 1/2/5 are your inputs, 6 is output.
[20:39:17] <Phydbleep> jacky^: See how it works now?
[20:39:47] <jacky^> need the IC.. i will have it soon..
[20:39:58] <jacky^> need to search in my lab :s
[20:40:14] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a large box of random pull-out TTL chips for prototyping..
[20:40:27] <jacky^> hehe :D
[20:40:33] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Desoldered from scarp PCB's?
[20:40:37] <Jymmm> scrap
[20:40:58] <jacky^> i buyed a stock of varius ic's about 5000 :\
[20:40:59] <alex_joni> jacky: how are the optical switches connected?
[20:41:02] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Who de-solders? I get the Sandi junque where it's all socketed. :)
[20:41:11] <jacky^> im looking for the right
[20:41:13] <Phydbleep> Sandia
[20:41:16] <Jymmm> Phydbleep lol, there ya go =)
[20:41:44] <weyland> alex_joni: sorry, no difference
[20:41:58] <alex_joni> you sure you changed standard_pinout.hal ?
[20:42:03] <Jymmm> HOME is defined (commonly) as XYZ == 0,0,0 correct?
[20:42:09] <jacky^> alex_joni: the schematic i tried it's veri simple and work in a single mode (without connect 3 togheter)
[20:42:13] <alex_joni> weyland: does it run?
[20:42:21] <alex_joni> jacky: got a link?
[20:42:27] <jacky^> a moment..
[20:42:29] <weyland> sorry, wrong wording - yes, it runs, no it doesn't do g41
[20:42:35] <alex_joni> ahh ok
[20:42:37] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: I think he's using them for the limit switches and he just needs to cascade them.
[20:42:44] <alex_joni> weyland: try this
[20:42:50] <Jymmm> cascade switches?!
[20:42:53] <weyland> but I can't dance like that
[20:43:12] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: not cascade, run them in parallel
[20:43:24] <jacky^> alex_joni: on this page you can finde the simply schematic i followed: http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?7
[20:43:26] <Jymmm> that's better
[20:43:41] <alex_joni> weyland: run tkemc, switch machine on, home it, go to MDI
[20:43:55] <weyland> okay, hold on
[20:44:00] <alex_joni> weyland: go to view -> tools , load the tool file
[20:44:03] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: 6 of 1. :) Same effect, any switch trips it.
[20:44:11] <alex_joni> right
[20:44:24] <alex_joni> I'd use a pullup, and the switches to pull it down
[20:44:25] <jacky^> i used different opto interrupter from on1120 to other.. all are working in the same way
[20:44:31] <Jymmm> HOME is defined (commonly) as XYZ == 0,0,0 correct? I'm askign because elsewhere I saw "HOME" being a certain state of the machine (altering microstepping) and not position.
[20:44:35] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Figure-4 ?
[20:44:45] <jacky^> Phydbleep: yes, fig 4
[20:44:48] <alex_joni> Jymmm: HOME is a complex stuff
[20:44:58] <alex_joni> and homing even more
[20:45:01] <Phydbleep> jacky^: That's TTL logic levels. :)
[20:45:08] <alex_joni> but yes after certain operations you should be at 0,0,0
[20:45:15] <jacky^> it work.. but not 3 togheter..
[20:45:24] <weyland> alex_joni: okay, nowwhat?
[20:45:46] <jacky^> if i connect the 3 output togheter i get always 0 V not switch to 5V
[20:45:48] <Jymmm> alex_joni so the term HOME has different meanings to it? (basically)
[20:46:09] <alex_joni> now.. issue M6 T1 in MDI
[20:46:15] <alex_joni> Jymmm: home is 0,0,0
[20:46:17] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Use the 7432.. You might need to use a NOR gate instead to get the right polarity on the output, but it should work.
[20:46:30] <alex_joni> Jymmm: only that meaning
[20:46:31] <jacky^> ok, :)
[20:46:31] <SWPadnos> Jymmm: HOME is probably better defined as "A well-known machine position"
[20:46:39] <SWPadnos> not necessarily 0,0,0
[20:46:41] <weyland> alex_joni: nothing happens, it doesn't update teh tool
[20:46:51] <alex_joni> doesn't say Tool: 1 ?
[20:46:58] <SWPadnos> the machine limits are all relative to the home position
[20:46:58] <weyland> alex_joni: no
[20:47:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos : ok so it's "position" and not a certain "state" of the machine
[20:47:01] <alex_joni> :(
[20:47:05] <Phydbleep> jacky^: You need to isolate the signals so it will run. otherwise it loads the circuit down.
[20:47:28] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: I can cast non-ferrous, but not iron...
[20:47:32] <alex_joni> ok... do this: open emc2jmk/CVS/Repository
[20:47:36] <alex_joni> and tell me what it says
[20:47:37] <jacky^> uhmm well
[20:47:43] <weyland> brb
[20:48:24] <weyland> alex_joni: it says : emc/configs
[20:48:31] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: If I had you do it, I'd just have you mill out a block of steel. :)
[20:48:51] <alex_joni> weland: u sure?
[20:49:00] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: BTW... Go get your MAIL! :)
[20:49:02] <weyland> alex_joni: errr... yeah
[20:49:16] <alex_joni> how about Root ?
[20:49:20] <weyland> brb
[20:49:47] <alex_joni> Fido: what's wrong with tying together 3 such opto's ?
[20:50:39] <weyland> alex_joni: ummmmm... where?
[20:51:32] <SWPadnos> Jymmm: the point about hoome wasn't a pedantic one about position vs. state. consider a robot that may have a "safe" stance - that could be home, and the machining envelope is a well-known volume which is a known distance from the home stance.
[20:52:42] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: You get wierd effects sometimes.. Safer to isolate them so the machine does not develop a taste for fingers. :)
[20:53:28] <Phydbleep> jacky^: You still need a circuit?
[20:53:32] <SWPadnos> jacky^: are you sure the sensors are working? (I remember you having a problem with the parallel port pin never going far from 5V)
[20:53:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos : I was reading where the HOME signal on a deriver board was to permt altering the microstepping for (primarily) jogging purposes.
[20:53:43] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep had to feed the munchkin. :)
[20:54:05] <SWPadnos> Jymmm: ah - I haven't seen that use
[20:54:26] <jacky^> SWPadnos: absolutely sure, i tested it in every way, also using IO_Show tool it work but only one at the time :\
[20:54:28] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: I think he's stuck @ 50ma for the current he can draw from the port.
[20:54:36] <jacky^> Phydbleep: sure..
[20:54:40] <SWPadnos> (a deriver board - most useful in math classes where things are left "as an exercise for the student" :) )
[20:54:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos : Yeah, me neither. That's kinda why I was askign if there were multiple definitions of the term "HOME" and if anyone heard of that.
[20:55:20] <SWPadnos> 50ma is pretty high for a parallel port - they only have to be something like 12 mA to meet spec
[20:55:39] <SWPadnos> if the sensor is being powered from the parport pin, that could be a problem
[20:55:47] <Jymmm> ewwwwww
[20:56:03] <Jymmm> draw from teh PS2 port, but not the parallel port
[20:56:11] <jacky^> SWPadnos: no, the sensor is begin powered from atx 5V
[20:56:16] <SWPadnos> or a drive power connector
[20:56:28] <SWPadnos> OK - good
[20:56:36] <Jymmm> yeah, better the drive cable (PS2 from a laptop though)
[20:56:47] <jacky^> i don't know if is a good thing to take 5V form atx, but work..
[20:57:00] <jacky^> my parport is not yet died..
[20:57:00] <SWPadnos> have you tested to be sure that you get a change in the output from the sensor when you block and unblock the slot?
[20:57:02] <Phydbleep> 100ma MAX on the PS/2 port for safety
[20:57:06] <weyland> alex_joni: you there?
[20:57:13] <Jymmm> jacky^ 5vdc is usually rated at 20 AMPS =)
[20:57:23] <SWPadnos> best to have a fuse in there :)
[20:57:24] <jacky^> SWPadnos: sure, they work
[20:57:31] <SWPadnos> OK - just checking :)
[20:57:44] <jacky^> Jymmm: i also used a small resistor
[20:58:05] <Jymmm> jacky^ are you just doin your limit switches?
[20:58:16] <jacky^> anyway, i'm actually testing
[20:58:50] <Jymmm> and hopefully not too small a resistor
[20:58:59] <Jymmm> at least 12oo ohms
[20:59:02] <Jymmm> 1200
[20:59:10] <jacky^> Jymmm: what mean if IO_Show show pin 12 from red becom green
[20:59:21] <SWPadnos> it changed state
[20:59:23] <jacky^> it work for me
[20:59:56] <SWPadnos> good deal
[21:00:04] <Phydbleep> Yeah, He looks like he just needs to add a buffer ot the circuit.
[21:00:10] <Jymmm> * Jymmm notes... resistors on limit switches are just "pull up", they are really just to prevent a floating signal.
[21:00:44] <jacky^> hehe
[21:00:55] <jacky^> i'm killing my isa card
[21:00:59] <Jymmm> to small a resistor and your draing current, which to DO NOT want to happen.
[21:01:01] <jacky^> but won't died
[21:01:08] <jacky^> it's strong :D
[21:01:08] <SWPadnos> these are optical interrupters, so the resistors serve a different purpose
[21:01:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos ah, ok.
[21:01:53] <Jymmm> I just KISS... microswitches (wired so that they serve as home and limit at the same time =)
[21:02:02] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep notes that TTL ouputs will fight without buffering.
[21:02:24] <Phydbleep> And it's a case of majority rules 99% of the time.
[21:02:27] <Jymmm> Phydbleep screw TTL, CMOS all the way baby =)
[21:02:29] <SWPadnos> it's not quite a standard TTL output - its a transistor that pulls to ground
[21:03:29] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Close enough to TTL.. And the LPT should be TTL levels.:)
[21:03:33] <jacky^> infact
[21:03:53] <Jymmm> Phydbleep (better be a TTL levels, or somethign else is is wrong)
[21:04:13] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, the schematic jacky^ pointed to shows that the standard state has the transistor on, which is why the output is low all the time
[21:04:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni was away
[21:04:26] <SWPadnos> they would all have to be off to get a high output
[21:04:36] <SWPadnos> (if they're just wired together)
[21:04:56] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: That's why I said the 7432 or 7402.
[21:05:06] <jacky^> SWPadnos: i think that's no problem to invert polarity on .ini for this..
[21:05:07] <SWPadnos> right
[21:05:09] <alex_joni> weyland: still there?
[21:10:48] <fenn> anyone know how to rename a page on the wiki?
[21:11:29] <alex_joni> fenn: don't think you can
[21:11:32] <alex_joni> :)
[21:11:35] <A-L-P-H-A> Loctite 609 is AWESOME she-it. fixed my bearing issues.
[21:11:55] <alex_joni> ALPHA: what colour is 609 ?
[21:12:48] <Phydbleep> jacky^:
[21:13:33] <jacky^> :-)
[21:13:43] <SWPadnos> fenn: you probably have to create a new page, paste the contents of the other page in, update all pages that reference the original, then remove all the contents of the original
[21:13:49] <alex_joni> Fido: bmp ????
[21:13:51] <SWPadnos> and it probably still isn't "deleted"
[21:13:53] <Phydbleep> jacky^: The left side is 7432, the right side is 7402.. CRAP.. And the right side wont work at all..
[21:14:05] <fenn> it says i have to log in as admin.. but i dont know howto log in as admin
[21:14:18] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: It was quick and what Eagle wanted to export.
[21:14:21] <SWPadnos> check the "basicsteps" page - the password is really tricky
[21:14:22] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, 609 = dark cyan coloured.
[21:14:25] <jacky^> Phydbleep: greaaat ! thanx a lot
[21:14:27] <alex_joni> fenn: follow the basic steps
[21:14:52] <Phydbleep> jacky^: IGNORE THE 7402 section of that..
[21:15:21] <jacky^> okay :)
[21:15:36] <fenn> ah i have to hit enter, not save
[21:15:41] <Phydbleep> jacky^: To invert the output us a 7404
[21:15:57] <fenn> nope still says i ahve to login
[21:16:13] <jacky^> ok, information saved :P
[21:16:16] <alex_joni> fenn: did you enter the admin password?
[21:16:22] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Or just swap the polarity in the ini. :)
[21:16:31] <fenn> i wrote "emc" in the administrator password box and hit enter
[21:16:33] <fenn> no beans
[21:16:53] <alex_joni> right
[21:16:53] <fenn> to edit page names, not just to edit a page
[21:16:58] <SWPadnos> you need to give yourself a user name, and no password, then enter "emc" in the admin password, and then submit
[21:16:59] <jacky^> i will' try in every way
[21:17:06] <SWPadnos> you can't edit the page name
[21:17:11] <SWPadnos> (AFAIK)
[21:17:21] <fenn> you can, go to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?action=editlinks
[21:18:06] <fenn> who set this wiki up anyway?
[21:18:12] <Phydbleep> jacky^: http://www.elexp.com/bb_101.htm <-- These things are a great time saver. :)
[21:18:17] <alex_joni> fenn: robin_sz
[21:18:26] <alex_joni> when you see him around.. complain to him
[21:18:47] <fenn> i wonder if he would be willing to use pukiwiki.. it's so much better
[21:18:58] <SWPadnos> ugh - that wouldn't be a good thing
[21:19:04] <jacky^> Phydbleep: nice :-)
[21:19:08] <SWPadnos> (complaining I mean)
[21:19:53] <Phydbleep> Yeah, Some people get bitchy when people complain. :)
[21:20:10] <fenn> i get bitchy, then i complain :)
[21:20:22] <fenn> it's a vicious cycle
[21:20:58] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep waits impatiently for the UPS truck..
[21:21:17] <fenn> me too. where's my christmas presents to myself, huh??
[21:21:26] <Jymmm> Phydbleep it got hijacked
[21:21:27] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega runs his grubby paws all over the goodies that came in the mail
[21:21:32] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: getting a new UPS ?
[21:21:34] <alex_joni> lol
[21:21:41] <fenn> a big UPS
[21:22:37] <Jymmm> Phydbleep and fenn : Here's the truck with your packages --> http://www.kochvillefire.com/collection/fedex-vs-ups/images/image00-big.jpg
[21:23:31] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: You got the mail?
[21:24:08] <fenn> wow pukiwiki is only 251kB
[21:24:15] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Damn.. I knew the delivery business was brutal, but that's silly. :)
[21:24:48] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Open the white box last. :)
[21:25:06] <Jymmm> Phydbleep That is why "We do not accept responsability if your package is lost or damaged in transit"
[21:25:38] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. ROFL.. It's take a nuke to hurt what I'm waiting for. :)
[21:25:49] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Also, that is ***NOT*** a edited photo.
[21:26:15] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : 2nd item down --> http://www.kochvillefire.com/incident-list.shtml
[21:26:37] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: That was a block of steel, right? Not something silly like a brick of Woods metal??
[21:33:21] <acemi> I found a GPLed CAD/CAM software which name is Open CASCADE (http://www.opencascade.org/). Is there anybody here who use this software?
[21:33:40] <A-L-P-H-A> acemi, 404 error
[21:33:47] <A-L-P-H-A> nm
[21:34:26] <acemi> http://www.opencascade.org/
[21:34:33] <fenn> acemi i was looking at that too, it looks really nice
[21:34:56] <fenn> haven't downloaded it yet though
[21:35:06] <fenn> they make you fill out a form to get the link
[21:35:11] <acemi> hmm
[21:35:21] <fenn> but if it's really gpl you should be able to redistribute it right?
[21:35:29] <acemi> yes
[21:35:43] <fenn> so gimme a copy when you get it :)
[21:36:00] <acemi> :)
[21:36:22] <A-L-P-H-A> it's not LGPL, or GPL.
[21:36:23] <asdfqwega> Phydbleep: Woods metal?
[21:36:26] <A-L-P-H-A> it's LGPL-like.
[21:36:41] <fenn> seriously though, someone is working on writing a new interface for the opencascade libraries... freeCAD I think?
[21:37:37] <asdfqwega> Opencascade isn't CAD/CAM - it's a 3D geometry and display library that can be used to make a CAD/CAM system
[21:38:01] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.opencascade.org/occ/license/
[21:38:01] <Jymmm> fenn : FYI... there are TWO projects called "FreeCAD" btw.
[21:38:27] <asdfqwega> Oh, and stay away from "LinuxCAD"
[21:38:35] <A-L-P-H-A> this loctite smells funny
[21:38:45] <A-L-P-H-A> smells like algea
[21:39:21] <asdfqwega> ALPHA: Superglue works better, if you're into sniffing things
[21:39:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs to go away
[21:39:48] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a whiff when I inspected the bearings.
[21:39:51] <alex_joni> smbdy tell weyland I had to quit
[21:39:59] <fenn> I think LinuxCAD speaks for itself about how bad it is
[21:40:00] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, no
[21:40:05] <A-L-P-H-A> [17:37:00] * Quits: weyland (~weyland@adsl-223-205-165.mia.bellsouth.net) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[21:40:15] <alex_joni> when he gets back ;)
[21:40:30] <alex_joni> make that if / when he gets back
[21:40:33] <alex_joni> bye guys
[21:40:35] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[21:40:37] <alex_joni> g'night
[21:40:44] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A superglue the bearings, makes em more rigid!
[21:40:46] <alex_joni> [00:39] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[21:40:48] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Woods metal.. Melts at 140 F
[21:40:48] <Jymmm> G'Night alex_joni
[21:40:50] <alex_joni> it is pretty late ;)
[21:40:59] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, this is for bearing retention.
[21:41:05] <A-L-P-H-A> cost me $12.99 for 10ml.
[21:41:06] <fenn> Jymmm, the one on sourceforge
[21:41:58] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: And how will you ever get them back out?
[21:42:12] <A-L-P-H-A> heat. or remake the spindle housing (about an hours time)
[21:42:15] <Jymmm> fenn : They are BOTH of SF
[21:42:26] <Jymmm> s/of/on/
[21:42:28] <fenn> huh?
[21:42:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I think this stuff desolves in acetone.
[21:42:43] <fenn> FreeCAD and free-cad are the same, no?
[21:43:11] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep thinks asdfqwega must have gotten the mail..
[21:43:49] <Phydbleep> It's too damn quiet over there for him to NOT be playing with a new toy. :)
[21:44:23] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A thinks asdfqwega got a new naughty magazine.
[21:44:28] <A-L-P-H-A> one with furries.
[21:44:50] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Nope.. It's a box full of Junque I sent him..
[21:48:05] <A-L-P-H-A> this is messed up...
[21:48:20] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know what's wrong with me... but I'm exceptionally hot... I'm radiating heat... like lots of it.
[21:48:39] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A is in heat!
[21:48:50] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Cold shower.
[21:48:50] <Jymmm> time to take A-L-P-H-A to the vet
[21:49:18] <alex_joni> hello guys
[21:49:28] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: :)
[21:49:29] <Jymmm> alex_joni G'morning
[21:49:31] <alex_joni> was weyland around ?
[21:49:43] <alex_joni> I was about to fall asleep.. but I had a thought ;)
[21:50:04] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep had a thought once..
[21:50:14] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, don't hurt yourself.
[21:50:20] <alex_joni> so.. was weyland around?
[21:50:23] <Jymmm> Phydbleep remember what it was?
[21:50:25] <Phydbleep> I was gentle with it because it was in a strange place though. :)
[21:50:31] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, yes... and he said he doesn't like you anymore
[21:50:37] <fenn> yay apache is working!
[21:50:40] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: :P
[21:50:44] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you insulted his (G/g)od.
[21:50:55] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: change your username
[21:51:01] <alex_joni> is awfull to type that
[21:51:05] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha. :)
[21:51:10] <alex_joni> really
[21:51:13] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, change yours.
[21:51:16] <alex_joni> try it out a few times ;)
[21:51:18] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, use nick complete.
[21:51:19] <Jymmm> A<tab> is hard to type?
[21:51:29] <alex_joni> Jymmm: hmmm
[21:51:31] <A-L-P-H-A> a - <tab> done.
[21:51:32] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep uses X-Chat and A-L-P-H-A is just a <TAB> away.
[21:51:38] <alex_joni> * alex_joni didn't know about that :(
[21:51:42] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, a tab works fine too.
[21:51:55] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A : No, just A<tab> no dash needed
[21:51:57] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: what should I change mine too?
[21:52:08] <A-L-P-H-A> A-L-P-H-A is now known as alex_joni_is_sil
[21:52:13] <Jymmm> alex_joni -
[21:52:16] <alex_joni_is_sil> alex_joni_is_sil is now known as alex_joni_silly
[21:52:27] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[21:52:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni change your nick too ----> -
[21:52:38] <alex_joni_silly> alex_joni_silly is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[21:52:41] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[21:52:42] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahhahahaha
[21:53:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I bet he didn't know about ghost killing.
[21:53:20] <devrand> A-L-P-H-A: don't be so sure ;)
[21:53:20] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, quit being silly
[21:53:23] <devrand> :P
[21:53:31] <devrand> devrand is now known as alex_joni
[21:53:46] <alex_joni> anyways.. if weyland comes back
[21:54:04] <alex_joni> please tell him to change his emc.ini to run io (I think he still runs simio)
[21:54:12] <alex_joni> and all the fixes I did are for io only
[21:54:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm introduces alex_joni to memoserv
[21:54:27] <alex_joni> wot's that?
[21:54:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, only is weyland is a registered user.
[21:54:38] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, /msg memoserv help
[21:55:02] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A I should hijack the nick
[21:55:20] <A-L-P-H-A> look
[21:55:47] <Jymmm> weyland register your nick or loose it!
[21:55:59] <alex_joni> weyland: wb
[21:56:01] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland, aj's looking for you
[21:56:14] <Jymmm> weyland : you've been warned, will co$t ya nect time!!!
[21:56:18] <Jymmm> next
[21:56:30] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland /msg nickserv help
[21:56:55] <Jymmm> weyland /ns register <your password here>
[21:57:09] <alex_joni> just paste it to the channel
[21:57:13] <alex_joni> we'll set you up
[21:57:14] <alex_joni> :P
[21:59:00] <A-L-P-H-A> someone should cause trouble with "a1ex_joni"
[21:59:05] <Jymmm> I think alex_joni is SETTING weyland up =)
[21:59:06] <A-L-P-H-A> as a nick
[21:59:21] <Jymmm> alex-joni
[21:59:23] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, only works I think if you're registered and logged in as well
[21:59:59] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: right
[22:00:39] <A-L-P-H-A> .kcip uoy, yllis ro piduts si inoj_xela
[22:00:55] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, why am I picking on you?
[22:01:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I need go away now.
[22:06:30] <fenn> so.. if i enable port forwarding on port 80 on my router, and http://localhost works, i should be able to http to my router's external IP right?
[22:07:18] <Phydbleep> Probably
[22:15:26] <fenn> wonder if my isp is blocking port 80
[22:18:52] <daryl> fenn: Do you have a firewall turned on on your pc?
[22:19:34] <Phydbleep> daryl: He said http://localhost worked
[22:19:53] <daryl> Firewall still could be blocking stuff from the router.
[22:20:36] <fenn> the router is a little plastic box that i have to http into
[22:21:00] <fenn> it makes no distinction between the concepts of "firewall" and "port forwarding," kinda annoying
[22:21:23] <daryl> I think my point was lost. Do you have another pc behind your firewall?
[22:21:34] <fenn> it also has "application gateways" and "virtual servers" - I dont know what the difference is
[22:21:43] <fenn> daryl, yes of course
[22:22:21] <daryl> Can you browse the one you're trying to port forward to from the other computer that is behind the firewall?
[22:22:47] <fenn> i'll check brb
[22:27:21] <fenn> I can ping and ssh into it, but no http
[22:27:39] <alex_joni> sounds like a firewall to me
[22:27:58] <daryl> yup
[22:28:06] <daryl> fenn: Is it a linux box?
[22:28:13] <fenn> yes FC3
[22:28:55] <fenn> where are firewall confs usually? /etc?
[22:29:00] <alex_joni> iptables -I 1 INPUT -j ACCEPT ;)
[22:29:23] <fenn> hmm i dont wanna open it wide open if I dont have to
[22:30:05] <daryl> The iptables settings are in /etc/sysconfig/iptables
[22:30:07] <alex_joni> was just kidding
[22:31:05] <fenn> ah found a nice easy graphical utility :)
[22:31:33] <daryl> I figured there would one.
[22:32:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[22:32:08] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:32:12] <alex_joni> seems tool comp. works ;)
[22:32:28] <fenn> ah it works! thanks daryl
[22:32:56] <daryl> No prob. Glad it's going.
[22:33:45] <fenn> if you want to leech :)
[22:44:14] <SWPadnos> fenn: which site did you use to download BDI 4.20?
[22:45:40] <fenn> the one with the clouds in the background
[22:45:46] <jacky^> Phydbleep: i'm studing your schematic, in the other side of 7432, i suppose i can use other 3 input to get another 1 output right ?
[22:45:46] <SWPadnos> ah.
[22:45:50] <SWPadnos> which one is that?
[22:46:38] <SWPadnos> nevermind - it's not mine
[22:47:01] <fenn> dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc
[22:47:08] <jacky^> Phydbleep: so, for 9 input and 3 output i need 2 IC , will buy tomorrow :-)
[22:47:09] <SWPadnos> OK
[22:47:21] <fenn> why whats wrong with it?
[22:48:26] <fenn> i am trying to set up pukiwiki on my home computer
[22:48:27] <SWPadnos> nothing - if you had downloaded from my mirror, I would have asked how the transfer speed was
[22:48:50] <Phydbleep> jacky^: Yeah, Use the other gates in the package to get another 3>1
[22:49:06] <jacky^> thanks Phydbleep
[22:49:36] <Phydbleep> jacky^: No Problem. :)
[22:51:16] <jacky^> you saved my live, and my nights at the pc.. LOL :-)
[22:54:29] <jacky^> * jacky^ begin to read emc handbook :P
[22:54:41] <SWPadnos> uh-oh
[22:58:39] <anonimasu> hello
[22:59:57] <fenn> hmmm what domain name to use.. :) i'm thinking fenn.kicks-ass.net
[23:04:20] <anonimasu> maybe you should use somthing easy to remember
[23:04:46] <fenn> fenn.dyndns.org?
[23:04:55] <anonimasu> I have no clue
[23:05:00] <anonimasu> I am mentally dead
[23:05:19] <fenn> that's too bad
[23:05:21] <anonimasu> I started working 6:00 in the morning
[23:05:28] <anonimasu> I just got home
[23:05:41] <anonimasu> and I am drawing a prototype part for work..
[23:10:58] <anonimasu> :)
[23:17:48] <anonimasu> W
[23:17:49] <anonimasu> SP
[23:23:00] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Wrong window? :)
[23:34:15] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: yeah
[23:44:21] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away