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[00:07:32] <fenn_afk> emc's documentation is too scattered.. it's in five or six different places
[00:09:07] <asdfqwega> Oh? There's more that I haven't found?
[00:09:27] <SWPadnos> and as far as I can tell, it's not complete either :(
[00:09:50] <asdfqwega> Well, THAT I already knew.
[00:10:14] <SWPadnos> I really should stop talking about it and start fixing things
[00:11:45] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: But it's so much easier to bitch about it and hope someone else will do it?
[00:11:50] <Phydbleep> <JK>
[00:11:51] <Phydbleep> :)
[00:11:54] <SWPadnos> not really :)
[00:12:03] <SWPadnos> I find it harder to convince people than just coding
[00:12:34] <SWPadnos> but then there's the problem of people hating contributions (this hasn't happened to me, but you get the idea :) )
[00:13:02] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Well Yeah, Any coder keeps the docs in the code and lets doxygen spit out a copy for the coding impaired. :)
[00:13:18] <SWPadnos> heh - who needs doxygen ;)
[00:13:26] <fenn_afk> that doesn't help if you don't know what the overall layout of the code is
[00:13:37] <SWPadnos> that has been a problem for me
[00:13:56] <SWPadnos> do you have the diagram from John Kasunich's site?
[00:13:59] <fenn_afk> yeah
[00:14:05] <fenn_afk> fenn_afk is now known as fenn
[00:14:12] <SWPadnos> cool - that and grep are your friends
[00:14:26] <fenn> i have a folder on my computer i am saving all the docs on emc I can find
[00:14:35] <SWPadnos> and an editor that can easily switch between 173 files :)
[00:14:43] <fenn> kate's pretty good at that
[00:15:02] <SWPadnos> yeah - I like to run it on my main computer (win2k unfortuantely) with 3 monitors
[00:15:13] <fenn> why are you still usin windows?
[00:15:18] <SWPadnos> multiple windows are a big help for programming
[00:15:36] <SWPadnos> because I have software that I haven't had the time to configure with WINE
[00:15:49] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: BIG help for vr programming.
[00:15:53] <SWPadnos> (PCB CAD, embedded development tools, etc)
[00:16:14] <SWPadnos> I like having a 3840x1024 desktop
[00:16:42] <Phydbleep> 1280x1024x3?
[00:16:51] <SWPadnos> yup
[00:17:04] <SWPadnos> I may switch to dual 1600x1200 or 1920x1440, but I'm not sure
[00:17:21] <fenn> i just pulled a monitor out of the dumpster... nec diamondstar flatscreen. something like 2600 x 1600 max resolution
[00:17:29] <fenn> it's sick
[00:17:33] <SWPadnos> 2048x1536, I'd bet
[00:17:45] <Phydbleep> 3200x1200 is nice.. I run it when my other monit isn't on the fritz.
[00:17:48] <SWPadnos> the high end NECs are great - I have an FP955 for my center screen
[00:18:18] <SWPadnos> I saw the IBM T221 last year - man, that thing has some resolution!
[00:18:32] <SWPadnos> 3840x2400 on a 22 inch panel
[00:18:40] <SWPadnos> 204 pixels / inch
[00:18:54] <fenn> better hope they didn't specify font in pixels
[00:19:00] <SWPadnos> heh - yeah
[00:19:17] <SWPadnos> it's slow too, like 41 Hz refresh, and it requires dual DVI
[00:19:28] <SWPadnos> (actually, double dual-link DVI)
[00:19:29] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Bleah!
[00:19:41] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: Double Bleah!
[00:20:14] <SWPadnos> well - once you spend $7500 on the monitor, what's another $2500 on the card to drive it? :)
[00:21:14] <Phydbleep> Running DVI @ 41Hz is like buying a Maserati and sticking a brick under the gas pedal.
[00:21:32] <SWPadnos> the LCD looks fine, it just doesn't update as quickly
[00:21:35] <bpmw> Hello all.
[00:21:42] <SWPadnos> you wouldn't run games or animations on this monitor
[00:21:43] <SWPadnos> hi
[00:21:56] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has to run @ 70Hz or better to avoid headaches.
[00:22:13] <SWPadnos> shouldn't be that way on an LCD
[00:22:39] <bpmw> Hey fenn, I got kppp working im on my linux box right now.
[00:22:47] <fenn> great
[00:23:09] <bpmw> now I can update to emc2
[00:23:18] <fenn> heh even more fun
[00:23:23] <Phydbleep> SWPadnos: I end up playing 5 year old games on 2 year old hardware just to get 60+ fps..
[00:23:48] <SWPadnos> yeah - me too. the most recent I have is Wolf:ET
[00:24:06] <bpmw> talk to ya later have to start downloading, on dial up I'm sure will take forever. LOL
[00:24:13] <SWPadnos> you are running BDI-4.18 or 4.20?
[00:24:23] <fenn> bpmw, just curious, are you using emc for making parts or just playing around with it?
[00:25:02] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wonders how Tribes 1 would do on a AMD1300, 512meg ddr, Radeon 9550 combo.
[00:25:03] <bpmw> Fenn, I make parts for a company I used to work for.
[00:25:09] <jacky^> night all
[00:25:21] <SWPadnos> good night jacky^
[00:25:28] <Phydbleep> G'night jacky^
[00:26:10] <anonimasu> night guys
[00:26:16] <SWPadnos> see ya anon
[00:26:18] <Phydbleep> G'night anonimasu :)
[00:28:34] <bpmw> Good bye for now from Canada!!
[00:28:57] <fenn> this sounds like bs
[00:29:02] <SWPadnos> see ya - eh?
[00:29:25] <fenn> "Some of the EMC people who run vehicles with the EMC set units to kilometers or miles."
[00:30:07] <SWPadnos> no particular reason why that couldn't be done
[00:31:36] <fenn> yeah but they act like someone has actually done it
[00:32:02] <SWPadnos> NIST does do some work on robots - so who knows
[00:32:06] <fenn> i know that one of the DARPA grand challenge vehicles used rcslib
[00:32:13] <fenn> but that's a long way from emc
[00:32:33] <SWPadnos> true
[00:32:41] <SWPadnos> oops - gotta run - see ya later
[00:32:47] <fenn> baibai
[00:32:48] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[00:35:18] <asdfqwega> Time for tea...and steak and mashed potatoes and gravy and....Streuth! I'm hungry!
[01:16:07] <fenn> fenn is now known as fenn_afk
[02:50:02] <A-L-P-H-A> one should not be allowed to feel as aweful as I do right now
[02:51:00] <Phydbleep> One should not imbibe as much alcohol as you did. :)
[02:51:30] <A-L-P-H-A> it was only 5 beers, and one pint... with a meal, in 2 hours.
[02:51:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I've had 4 hours since then.
[02:51:49] <A-L-P-H-A> oh,w ait... maybe 3.
[02:51:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I dunno
[02:52:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm just bitchin
[02:52:45] <Phydbleep> And you're not even a Camaro..
[02:53:27] <A-L-P-H-A> 'Camaro'?
[02:53:44] <A-L-P-H-A> wuz dat?
[02:54:04] <A-L-P-H-A> brb... going to take some advil, and water.
[02:55:09] <Phydbleep> 'Bitchin Camaro'.. It's a punk song by a band called 'Dead Milkmen'
[02:56:20] <weyland> Phydbleep's showing his age...
[02:57:31] <A-L-P-H-A> still dunno.
[02:57:33] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[02:57:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm only 25... almost 26
[02:57:51] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. it's worse than that.. I saw 'Sonic Youth', 'Dead Milkmen' and 'Hell Cows' all at the same show. :)
[02:59:21] <A-L-P-H-A> who, who and who?
[02:59:37] <weyland> I can *almost* remember 25...
[02:59:43] <weyland> and I'm not that old...
[03:00:12] <A-L-P-H-A> who ever attended code fest, was old... I only saw one picture where the attendees where not grey haired.
[03:00:14] <A-L-P-H-A> ;)
[03:00:21] <weyland> lol
[03:00:42] <A-L-P-H-A> actually 'attendee'. not 'attendees'
[03:02:06] <A-L-P-H-A> nap time... at least I think it'll be nap.
[03:02:09] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao peeps
[03:02:09] <weyland> cradek: are you here?
[03:02:15] <weyland> cya
[03:03:30] <cradek> yep
[03:04:19] <weyland> hey, has anyone done a wiki or howto on putting axis in with emc2?
[03:11:34] <cradek> weyland: not sure about that.
[03:11:52] <cradek> I've only tried it once, and it just worked
[03:12:06] <cradek> I bet if you get the cvs and build and install it, it will just work.
[03:12:11] <weyland> I ask because I looked at the destruction today, and it doesnt seem to jive with what I've got
[03:13:59] <weyland> oops - destruction should have been instrctions
[03:15:05] <cradek> at what step specifically are you stuck?
[03:15:19] <weyland> not even that far...
[03:15:48] <weyland> it said to specify the directory that emc and rcslib live in, and while I can find emc, I can't find rcslib in there too
[03:17:56] <cradek> yeah, you won't have rcslib with emc2. Just ignore that.
[03:18:18] <weyland> ah, okay
[03:18:29] <weyland> I'll try it tomorrow then
[03:19:02] <weyland> baq l8r, gotta go somewhere, thanks
[06:35:38] <Jymmm> anyone awake?
[07:46:48] <anonimasu> �/me yawns
[07:46:53] <anonimasu> more work
[09:41:09] <jacky^> morning
[09:47:35] <jacky^> is there normal that stepper motor when enable make a strong sound ?
[09:48:24] <jacky^> and l298 ic become very warm
[09:49:01] <robin_sz> yes
[09:49:08] <jacky^> ah ok
[09:49:15] <jacky^> thank
[09:49:18] <robin_sz> you need good heatsink on 298
[09:49:34] <robin_sz> by "strong sound" you mean when moving?
[09:49:51] <jacky^> no, when enable only
[09:49:57] <robin_sz> or even when motor is in stopped position?
[09:50:07] <jacky^> maybe my hw setup is missing..
[09:50:17] <jacky^> topped position but enabled
[09:50:21] <robin_sz> right
[09:50:27] <robin_sz> thats is not normal
[09:50:32] <jacky^> ok
[09:50:48] <ValarQ> hello folks
[09:51:07] <robin_sz> with L298 layout is important on the board and the 6 catch diodes are also quite critical
[09:51:27] <jacky^> do you think it's a good idea to take 5V directly from PC at power supply to enable the drivers of motors ?
[09:51:31] <robin_sz> with good layout and the right diodes it is very stable
[09:51:56] <robin_sz> but with bad layout you get instablility
[09:52:07] <jacky^> uhm
[09:52:08] <robin_sz> but the getting hot is norma
[09:52:11] <robin_sz> l
[09:52:31] <jacky^> i'm using two different controllers
[09:53:03] <jacky^> 2 differente schematics
[09:53:16] <jacky^> but seem are working quite well
[09:53:22] <robin_sz> ok
[09:53:40] <robin_sz> the noise is a smooth tone, like a high musical note?
[09:53:45] <robin_sz> or rough sound?
[09:53:55] <jacky^> yes
[09:54:00] <jacky^> musical note
[09:54:05] <robin_sz> right .. thats OK
[09:54:12] <jacky^> but i see motor go very warm
[09:54:18] <robin_sz> how warm?
[09:54:23] <robin_sz> too hot to touch?
[09:54:33] <jacky^> hot, yes
[09:54:45] <robin_sz> 50 centigrade?
[09:54:54] <jacky^> i can touch it, but is very hot after 3-5 min
[09:54:58] <robin_sz> right
[09:55:13] <jacky^> i don't know how many � ..
[09:55:47] <robin_sz> sounds like too much current .. the 297/298 does not reduce the current when idle, some drives do this
[09:55:57] <jacky^> uhm..
[09:56:11] <jacky^> in the first controller i've a test point
[09:56:14] <robin_sz> you might need to reduce a little
[09:56:22] <robin_sz> or buy a geckodrive ;)
[09:56:26] <jacky^> so can set max current
[09:56:35] <jacky^> the second have not test point
[09:56:46] <robin_sz> did you use the correct diodes?
[09:56:46] <jacky^> motors are about 2 A
[09:56:52] <jacky^> i think so
[09:56:57] <robin_sz> OK.
[09:56:57] <jacky^> a moment..
[09:58:05] <jacky^> diodes are 8 x BYV27
[09:58:15] <jacky^> you mean these ?
[09:58:24] <robin_sz> yeah
[09:58:27] <jacky^> ok
[09:58:57] <robin_sz> if the diodes are too slow, it is bad. things get hot.
[09:59:07] <jacky^> mmmhh
[10:00:03] <jacky^> about enable the controllers
[10:00:12] <robin_sz> ah yes
[10:00:22] <robin_sz> personally I would use opto-isolators
[10:00:35] <jacky^> i'm using 5V taken from atx power supply
[10:00:45] <robin_sz> OK if leads are ketp short
[10:00:52] <robin_sz> OK if leads are kept short
[10:00:59] <robin_sz> ie driver very near PC
[10:01:13] <robin_sz> same for step/direction
[10:01:26] <robin_sz> but opto isolators are better
[10:01:34] <jacky^> :\
[10:01:47] <robin_sz> optos cost very little
[10:01:48] <jacky^> i can't find a good opto-isolator
[10:01:56] <robin_sz> oh?
[10:02:01] <robin_sz> there are HUNDREDS
[10:02:03] <jacky^> i find someone
[10:02:10] <jacky^> but seem very slow
[10:02:16] <robin_sz> ?
[10:02:18] <jacky^> so, i prefer do not use it
[10:02:33] <robin_sz> well, all commercial drives use optos
[10:02:44] <jacky^> i'm testing my cnc on a isa parport
[10:02:46] <robin_sz> especially for step/direction
[10:02:51] <robin_sz> yes, ok for test
[10:02:59] <robin_sz> but not good for real use
[10:03:34] <jacky^> maybe it's too dangerous ?
[10:03:34] <robin_sz> easy to get extra pulses or missed pulses from interference from motors etc
[10:03:47] <jacky^> uhmm.. ok
[10:05:06] <jacky^> could you suggest to me a good type of opto-isolator ?
[10:05:20] <jacky^> maybe i can buy it from internet
[10:05:42] <robin_sz> how many channels?
[10:05:57] <jacky^> there are 3 motors
[10:06:19] <jacky^> i also connect -home+ switches
[10:06:49] <jacky^> so, i'm usin ping 234567 12-113-15
[10:07:00] <jacky^> ops 12-13-15
[10:07:16] <robin_sz> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=325958&N=401
[10:07:21] <robin_sz> quad opto
[10:07:53] <robin_sz> I use a 5V to 5v DC to DC convertor to float the 5v for the switch side of the opto
[10:08:18] <jacky^> thanx a lot
[10:08:33] <robin_sz> np
[10:08:59] <fenn_afk> fenn_afk is now known as fenn
[10:09:15] <fenn> robin_sz, could you show me some (or all) of that code you were talking about yesterday?
[10:09:25] <robin_sz> ooh, yes .. possibly
[10:09:43] <robin_sz> remember I said I read the board list and unsubbedm resigned and spat my dummy
[10:09:46] <robin_sz> ?
[10:09:54] <fenn> yeah?
[10:09:59] <robin_sz> well that was 1 and 2
[10:10:05] <robin_sz> 3 was junked the CVS
[10:10:06] <fenn> uh oh
[10:10:28] <robin_sz> I think les grabbed my GUI re write before it hit the bit bucket
[10:10:29] <fenn> i remember someone who mirrored it first.. alex?
[10:10:34] <fenn> oh
[10:10:44] <robin_sz> dunno if he grabbed the C++ messaging
[10:10:54] <fenn> sigh
[10:11:19] <robin_sz> ask him when he comes on
[10:11:31] <robin_sz> ooh, he is on .. prod him ;)
[10:11:43] <fenn> it's 5 am in the states
[10:11:48] <robin_sz> ah.
[10:11:59] <robin_sz> hey, I get to come to the US in a few eeks I think
[10:12:02] <robin_sz> never been before
[10:12:09] <fenn> where you going?
[10:12:17] <robin_sz> some place called "new york"
[10:12:23] <fenn> bleh, save your money :)
[10:12:32] <robin_sz> heh, its not my money ;0
[10:12:47] <robin_sz> and "pasedena"
[10:12:57] <robin_sz> wherever that is
[10:13:31] <fenn> well, that's too bad
[10:13:40] <fenn> pasadena is a suburb of LA
[10:14:23] <fenn> you should check out northern CA if you can
[10:14:52] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: And L.A. is a suburb of Hell. :)
[10:15:06] <robin_sz> oh well
[10:15:14] <fenn> and Phydbleep lives south of Hell ;)
[10:15:16] <robin_sz> it will be an "experience"
[10:16:16] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is east of Calif and west of Texas..
[10:16:46] <Phydbleep> Somewhere bewteen Hell and Worse Hell.
[10:17:27] <Phydbleep> Woohoo! My vibratory parts cleaner works!
[10:17:37] <robin_sz> heh
[10:17:44] <robin_sz> what media you use?
[10:17:50] <robin_sz> peanut shells?
[10:18:17] <Phydbleep> And I bet I can sell a dozen of them (minus industrial glass beads) to the local lesbians. :)
[10:18:33] <robin_sz> glass bead huh?
[10:18:49] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: Industrial glass beads, Like they use for 'sign-shine'
[10:19:28] <robin_sz> we use peanut shell for polishing
[10:19:35] <Phydbleep> Except after running for an hour with a batch of rusty collets the beads no longer shine.
[10:20:02] <robin_sz> and a grey abrasive stuff for rougher finishing
[10:20:37] <robin_sz> comes in little pyramid lumps when we buy it
[10:21:12] <robin_sz> we used a blue plastic barrel, cut down, as the bowl on ours
[10:21:22] <robin_sz> probably, 20 gallons I guess
[10:21:28] <fenn> Phydbleep, got a link on how to make one?
[10:21:29] <Phydbleep> Hehehe... 3 Chevy exhaust valve springs, 2 square 5 gallon buckets, 1 sewing machine motor and a bunch of hardware and steel that was part of the packing crate for a Kubota tractor.
[10:21:43] <robin_sz> hehehe
[10:21:44] <robin_sz> ideal
[10:21:55] <fenn> or is this something so simple i can't screw it up (hah)
[10:22:03] <robin_sz> sounds similar to ours
[10:22:08] <Phydbleep> fenn: I'll take a pic of this one tomorrow. :)
[10:22:24] <robin_sz> we mounted an eccentric on a motor, the motor bearings lasted a week
[10:22:45] <robin_sz> this version has a blet drive and an eccentric weight in its own HD bearing mount
[10:23:10] <fenn> roller blades all the way baby
[10:23:20] <fenn> i'm gonna make a hexapod with roller blade bearings
[10:23:51] <Phydbleep> Yeah, That's the first rebuild on this one.. Seperate shaft for the shaker weight.
[10:24:02] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[10:25:12] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. And I found a NICE rotary blower today for $10.. It was the blower to move the 'transport tubes' at the bank. :)
[10:25:35] <fenn> make a cupola.. you won't be disappointed
[10:26:47] <fenn> gonna take a shower
[10:26:48] <Phydbleep> I'm starting with a standard top loader. I'm getting a fire extinguisher bottle to cut down for a crucible.
[10:27:06] <fenn> fenn is now known as fenn_afk
[10:27:06] <Phydbleep> or a SCBA bottle.
[10:30:06] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: I'm tempted to lose the weight and mechanically couple the bucket to the driven pulley ~ 1/4" off center.. Put the driven pulley under the bucket and let it run around in circles. :)
[10:33:36] <Phydbleep> Hmm.. Time for me to fall over.. I have to go pick up that blower and some other parts in ~ 6 hours. :\
[10:33:43] <Phydbleep> G'nite all.
[10:34:42] <jacky^> hi Phydbleep
[10:35:23] <Phydbleep> Hi jacky^ , Bye jacky^ :)
[10:35:35] <jacky^> ciao :-)
[10:37:16] <Phydbleep> It's after 04:30 here and I must get at least 5 hours of sleep or I'll be crabby/cranky/bitchy/generally no fun to be around. :)
[10:38:08] <robin_sz> Phydbleep: so, no change there then ;)
[11:50:26] <jacky^> Phydbleep: are you ?
[11:50:37] <jacky^> i've a question for you
[11:51:03] <jacky^> do you remember my issue with pin 12-13-15
[11:51:39] <jacky^> i'm tring your suggest: tie pin 13 with 10 k resistor to ground
[11:52:03] <jacky^> then, value without resistor is 4,8 V
[11:52:19] <jacky^> with 10 k resistor value is 3,3
[11:52:26] <jacky^> it's right ?
[11:52:42] <jacky^> should be 0 ?
[11:54:50] <jacky^> uhm.. time for launch :)
[11:55:07] <jacky^> jacky^ is now known as jacky^gnam
[12:07:33] <jacky^gnam> jacky^gnam is now known as jacky^
[12:09:32] <jacky^> re
[12:09:54] <ValarQ> 'lo
[12:13:02] <nevyn__> nevyn__ is now known as nevyn
[12:15:23] <jacky^> ValarQ:
[12:15:50] <jacky^> could you helmp me to get limit switch working ?
[12:16:12] <jacky^> could i give you the url of schematic i'm using ?
[12:16:43] <ValarQ> try
[12:16:50] <jacky^> http://www.eleinmec.com/figures/007_04.gif
[12:17:13] <jacky^> i build this for any switch
[12:17:31] <jacky^> and connect in parallel all
[12:17:41] <jacky^> all -, all + all home
[12:17:52] <jacky^> dou you think can work ?
[12:18:11] <ValarQ> dunno, i'm really no expert at the subject
[12:18:19] <jacky^> ok
[12:18:35] <jacky^> can't get it work :\
[12:20:05] <ValarQ> can't see why it shouldn't work
[12:20:11] <ValarQ> what have you tried?
[12:21:06] <jacky^> i tried to give circuit 5V taken from atx pc power supply
[12:21:35] <jacky^> it seem work hwen is not connected to parallel port
[12:22:15] <jacky^> when an object go between switch it change from 0 to 5 V
[12:22:32] <jacky^> when i connect it to parallel port (pin13)
[12:22:42] <jacky^> i always have 5 V
[12:22:54] <jacky^> also when switch is open
[12:23:19] <jacky^> i tried a 10 k resistor tie pin 13 to ground
[12:23:23] <ValarQ> how do you control the parallelport?
[12:23:38] <jacky^> i'm using BDI
[12:23:44] <jacky^> what you mean ?
[12:23:53] <ValarQ> ok, i haven't tried BDI myself yet
[12:24:22] <ValarQ> but i know that you got to swap the tristate in the parallelport to be able to read data
[12:25:00] <jacky^> ok,
[12:26:55] <ValarQ> http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/PORTS/F_PARALLEL11.html
[12:28:08] <jacky^> tnx
[12:28:10] <jacky^> :)
[12:28:34] <ValarQ> noprob
[14:33:03] <rayh> steves_logging: Got the drives, Steve. Thanks.
[14:42:02] <steves_logging> Great, now I'm off down the road and really just logging. 8-)
[14:42:42] <rayh> Catch you later.
[15:12:04] <anonimasu> hello
[15:57:24] <fenn_afk> yeehaw
[15:57:45] <fenn_afk> after writing this email to the dev list, i should change my nick to Captain_Obvious
[16:01:35] <jacky^> hi
[16:08:31] <anonimasu> f:)
[16:08:33] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[16:11:26] <paul_c> * paul_c hands anonimasu a sock
[16:11:31] <anonimasu> evening paul_c
[16:11:43] <anonimasu> because I yawned?
[16:12:18] <paul_c> ;)
[16:12:26] <anonimasu> haha thanks
[16:13:32] <paul_c> getting nowhere fast trying to solve the control points for a spline.
[16:14:28] <anonimasu> :/
[16:16:29] <paul_c> However.... I do have a lib for manipulating NURBS that is all in C
[16:17:31] <anonimasu> that nurb lib you pasted yesterday?
[16:17:44] <anonimasu> or did you find somthing better?
[16:17:58] <paul_c> libnurbs++ is C++ i'm afraid...
[16:23:48] <anonimasu> ok
[16:24:41] <anonimasu> I just got off work about a hour ago
[16:28:08] <jacky^> gulp
[16:28:42] <jacky^> can't find a way to connect opto-switch togheter and make it work :\
[16:36:12] <rayh> What kind of opto-switch?
[16:36:47] <jacky^> like this on this project :
http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?7
[16:36:57] <jacky^> http://www.eleinmec.com/figures/007_04.gif
[16:37:14] <jacky^> :\
[16:39:09] <rayh> Got the same opto unit.
[16:39:19] <jacky^> there are 3 for axes
[16:40:04] <root> root is now known as bpmw
[16:40:11] <jacky^> i build from myself the small pcb
[16:40:33] <jacky^> it work in a single mode, not in parallel
[16:41:46] <jacky^> and no schematics seem are available on the net
[16:42:11] <rayh> Okay. And the optotransistors are npn?
[16:42:27] <jacky^> uhmm..
[16:42:30] <jacky^> a moemnt
[16:43:36] <jacky^> from datasheet i see are NPN
[16:44:41] <jacky^> are called photo interrupters in the datasheet
[16:45:00] <rayh> That should work.
[16:45:06] <jacky^> for contacless SW, object detection
[16:45:08] <jacky^> :\
[16:45:36] <rayh> What voltage do you have between the 10 k resistor and the collector on the transistor.
[16:46:00] <jacky^> you mean on output ?
[16:46:31] <jacky^> about 4,8 V when there is an object
[16:46:45] <jacky^> and
[16:46:53] <jacky^> about 0 in normale state
[16:47:12] <rayh> Wow. Sounds like they are working.
[16:47:14] <jacky^> with 5 V power supply
[16:47:33] <rayh> What have you got the output connected to?
[16:47:37] <jacky^> yeah, tehy work.. but not togheter
[16:47:40] <jacky^> :(
[16:47:59] <jacky^> i tried like emc says
[16:48:04] <jacky^> pin 12-13-15
[16:48:44] <rayh> Oh. You want to connect the digital out from each to the same pin on the parport?
[16:48:54] <jacky^> but when i connect all switches in parallel mode i always get abot 5 V
[16:49:02] <jacky^> on all output
[16:49:39] <jacky^> i would like to connect togheter all - all H all +
[16:49:44] <rayh> And what you want is for any one of them to signal a home.
[16:50:31] <jacky^> home o X is connecetd with home of Y and home of Z
[16:50:40] <jacky^> shold be right ..
[16:51:08] <jacky^> can't understand what i'm missing
[16:52:32] <rayh> If only one is closed it must pull all three down to zero.
[16:52:53] <jacky^> i suppose is inverse
[16:53:05] <jacky^> when closed go to 5 V
[16:53:07] <jacky^> :s
[16:53:35] <rayh> Could you connect the three digital out lines with diodes.
[16:53:44] <jacky^> i yeah
[16:53:48] <rayh> Then it might only pull the one you are using.
[16:53:49] <jacky^> i tried.. to
[16:54:06] <jacky^> add a diode for any output of the switches
[16:54:57] <jacky^> but so.. i get strange voltage value
[16:55:20] <rayh> Is your five volt from the PC?
[16:55:22] <jacky^> sometimes also 40 volts ! O_o
[16:55:50] <jacky^> yes, 5v i taken directly from pc power supply
[16:56:39] <jacky^> maybe..
[16:57:06] <rayh> When you use only one it works okay?
[16:57:08] <jacky^> is better to try with only one switch at time
[16:57:44] <jacky^> they seem working also togherer (parallel) but not when i connect to parallel port
[16:58:11] <jacky^> bah..
[16:58:20] <jacky^> will try one at time
[16:58:31] <jacky^> should work !
[16:59:22] <jacky^> rayh:
[16:59:36] <jacky^> i tested today my cnc
[16:59:49] <jacky^> without limit switch..
[17:00:17] <jacky^> can't find some file to test cnc with a simple pen like tool
[17:00:44] <jacky^> is there a one somewhere ?
[17:17:49] <anonimasu> hm, there's some examples that comes with emc
[17:20:05] <rayh> I don't think any of those examples are xy only.
[17:21:31] <rayh> You need a 2d drawing with arcs and such.
[17:21:57] <rayh> You could disconect the z drive and plot dome test.
[17:22:25] <rayh> It would become a set of spokes to and from the center of a circle.
[17:24:05] <rayh> Depending on how fine the pen tip is you'd get solid ink for a way out from the center but then individual lines out to the edge.
[17:25:41] <jacky^> hi anonimasu , yeah i tried
[17:25:41] <jacky^> :-)
[17:29:00] <Jymmm> Yo!
[17:29:27] <anonimasu> Hello jymm
[17:29:39] <Jymmm> whats happening anonimasu
[17:29:57] <anonimasu> not much, finally stopped working
[17:30:01] <anonimasu> a couple of hours ago
[17:30:06] <Jymmm> got fired?
[17:30:14] <anonimasu> ofcourse
[17:30:16] <Jymmm> quit?
[17:30:26] <Jymmm> ran thru th plant naked?
[17:30:34] <Jymmm> (again)
[17:30:47] <anonimasu> no, we just decided to stop working for today
[17:30:48] <anonimasu> :)
[17:30:54] <Jymmm> ah, cool.
[17:31:18] <anonimasu> but I got a chance to try my code on the serie machines..
[17:31:35] <Jymmm> series machine?!
[17:31:43] <anonimasu> err serialized version
[17:31:57] <Jymmm> oh, instead of aparallel?
[17:32:16] <anonimasu> or well how do you say it, mass produced model..
[17:32:26] <Jymmm> yeah, how did it turn out?
[17:32:50] <anonimasu> great, although I stil lack some sensors until I can try the code I have..
[17:33:09] <Jymmm> murphy is alove and well (that bastard)
[17:33:13] <Jymmm> alive
[17:33:28] <anonimasu> but I got to test the huydralics, and the prototype plc modules(for doing hardware pwm) I got
[17:33:39] <Jymmm> cool beans
[17:33:46] <Jymmm> PLC?
[17:33:52] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:34:02] <Jymmm> what is PLC?
[17:34:03] <anonimasu> the speed exceeded my expectations by far..
[17:34:15] <anonimasu> a programable logic controller..
[17:34:23] <Jymmm> Hey, that's always a nice feelinf, isn't it.
[17:34:25] <Jymmm> Ah, ok.
[17:34:26] <anonimasu> for controlling stuff like toolchangers for example..
[17:34:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, just never knew what it stood for.
[17:34:57] <Jymmm> wanna hear a sick story?
[17:35:03] <anonimasu> sure
[17:35:24] <anonimasu> the flow, I tried running at was ~200l/min
[17:35:53] <Jymmm> I chuck a bit into that $20 trim router from harbor freight, flip the switch and just holding it in my hand get so hot within 20 seconds that it started melting the plastic.
[17:36:04] <anonimasu> :/
[17:36:07] <anonimasu> go back with it
[17:36:32] <anonimasu> I dont remember, how many m/s that is
[17:37:13] <Jymmm> ohyeah. I went and bought a 2hp sears router for $70 but they wanted $50 for a POS router table. So I made one instead.
[17:37:34] <anonimasu> well, it's way too fast to be running at..
[17:38:12] <anonimasu> I'll limit it to about 120-130 , when it goes to customers
[17:38:38] <Jymmm> lol, and make em pay more for speed increase
[17:39:06] <anonimasu> no
[17:39:26] <Jymmm> sell two differetn models?
[17:39:30] <anonimasu> no..
[17:39:47] <anonimasu> :)
[17:40:40] <anonimasu> the flow varies depending on what speed they run at..
[17:41:20] <Jymmm> When I mad ethe router table (out of MDF), the fence is slight bowed in a area by about .030" know anything I could use to shim it up (and this is a saturday too) ?
[17:41:34] <anonimasu> hm, epoxy perhaps..
[17:41:40] <anonimasu> or machine a sacrifice board
[17:41:47] <anonimasu> if you face it it should end up flat
[17:41:51] <Jymmm> No, I meant literally shim it.
[17:42:08] <anonimasu> hm, machine washers..
[17:42:14] <Jymmm> too thick
[17:42:36] <Jymmm> I'm thinking something like strips of flat stoke
[17:42:39] <Jymmm> stock
[17:42:39] <anonimasu> .020" is large.
[17:42:44] <anonimasu> err 0.30
[17:42:51] <anonimasu> .030.. typo
[17:42:59] <Jymmm> 1/32"
[17:43:02] <Jymmm> ~
[17:43:14] <anonimasu> 7mm
[17:43:24] <anonimasu> heh
[17:43:42] <anonimasu> hm, cut strips out of MDF
[17:43:43] <Jymmm> 7mm == .3
[17:43:48] <paul_c> anonimasu: Got any coke cans ?
[17:43:54] <anonimasu> paul_c: yeah somwhere
[17:44:07] <anonimasu> 0.7
[17:44:09] <anonimasu> well still too large
[17:44:14] <paul_c> there you go - Instant supply of shim stock
[17:44:23] <Jymmm> paul_c good idea!
[17:44:30] <anonimasu> paul_c: I dont need shims ;)
[17:45:04] <Jymmm> anonimasu .75mm not 7mm
[17:45:08] <paul_c> * paul_c redirects comments to Jymmm
[17:45:13] <Jymmm> paul_c good idea!
[17:45:18] <Jymmm> thanks
[17:45:23] <anonimasu> yeah, but it's still large
[17:45:28] <Jymmm> I always forget the simple stuff like that
[17:45:33] <anonimasu> 0.01 is a shim ;)
[17:45:39] <Jymmm> anonimasu not for MDF it aint =)
[17:45:43] <anonimasu> yeah, perhaps
[17:46:02] <Jymmm> I suspect that just screwing it together made it bow.
[17:46:56] <Jymmm> becaseu everything else is dead on (surprisingly)
[17:47:57] <Jymmm> paul_c silly question, you have any idea how thick a coke can is? (for future ref)
[17:48:28] <anonimasu> Jymmm: drive over it.
[17:48:29] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:48:38] <Jymmm> lol
[17:48:41] <anonimasu> depending on how much your car weighs, you can vary how thick
[17:48:53] <rayh> They vary in thickness depending on the explosion tolerance of the country they are sold in.
[17:49:00] <Jymmm> variable shims... I like it!
[17:49:04] <anonimasu> yep
[17:49:21] <Jymmm> rayh oh joy
[17:49:21] <rayh> paul_c: Question regarding emc2.
[17:51:14] <rayh> tkemc requires TkEmc for some display values
[17:51:42] <rayh> EMC2 does not have TkEmc in the run from directory.
[17:52:38] <rayh> Shall I change tkemc so that it looks for TkEmc in the tcl directory
[17:52:53] <rayh> I know that you want to keep the file system as clean as possible
[17:53:28] <rayh> Which might mean adding a configs directory under tcl
[17:56:46] <rayh> paul_c: You about?
[18:23:51] <anonimasu> hm, I am going watching starwars tonight
[18:31:25] <Jymmm> I heard it was "ok".
[18:35:52] <CIA-4> 03rayhenry * 10emc2/configs/TkEmc: tkemc config file
[19:03:25] <fenn_afk> fenn_afk is now known as fenn
[19:03:35] <fenn> whew
[19:03:53] <fenn> feels good to get all that stuff out
[19:08:44] <fenn> les, you around?
[20:01:09] <Phydbleep> fenn: Does this mean that you're finally ready to stop living a lie and admit that you like getting your hands dirty? <jk> :)
[20:01:50] <fenn> no i'll continue to sit here and type type type on my clean keyboard
[20:02:26] <fenn> * fenn type type types.
[20:02:31] <fenn> heh
[20:02:55] <fenn> http://www1.atwiki.com/gingery_machines/pages/21st_century at the bottom
[20:03:06] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep will not ask how fenn could 'get it all out' and still have a clean keyboard.
[20:03:49] <fenn> now that you mention it, my keyboard is totally filthy! (gotta switch to that silicone rubber one)
[20:05:13] <Phydbleep> fenn: Well, At least that one should be 'dishwasher safe'. :)
[20:05:49] <fenn> yeah and it's life-like to boot :)
[20:06:06] <fenn> er, i mean totally sanitary
[20:06:22] <fenn> ;)
[20:08:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep fears 'sanitary' will not last..
[20:48:10] <paul_c> jmkasunich: SF still bouncing your emails ?
[20:52:00] <jmkasunich> yes
[20:52:15] <jmkasunich> I need to give my ISP another poke
[20:52:46] <paul_c> att.net is probably on spamcop's blacklist
[20:53:01] <jmkasunich> actually I don't think it's that simple
[20:53:25] <jmkasunich> 550-Callback_setup_failed_while_verifying_<jmkasunich@att.net>
[20:53:25] <jmkasunich> Delivery last attempted at Sat, 28 May 2005 20:32:18 -0000
[20:53:59] <jmkasunich> not sure what that means, but I think SF is trying to verify something at my ISP before they accept the message
[20:56:06] <paul_c> You might want to look further - Your SF addy has been removed from the commit list.
[20:57:38] <jmkasunich> strange
[20:57:51] <jmkasunich> I'm still getting mail from users, dev, and board
[20:58:00] <jmkasunich> but can't send to any of them
[20:58:09] <jmkasunich> didn't know about the commit prob
[20:58:33] <jmkasunich> I submitted a support request yesterday to SF, and also emailed my ISP
[20:58:41] <jmkasunich> time for a phone call to the ISP I think
[20:58:44] <paul_c> jmkasunich@users.sourceforge.net has been removed from Emc-commit.
[20:58:57] <jmkasunich> I certainly didn't do that
[20:59:18] <jmkasunich> did you get the messages saying that jmkasunich@yahoo.com had joined users, dev, and board?
[20:59:22] <paul_c> saw that and thought..."wth is jmk up to now...."
[20:59:52] <jmkasunich> because I didn't, and as a list admin I expected to see them
[21:00:15] <jmkasunich> when was I removed? today, yesterday?
[21:00:32] <jmkasunich> (gathering facts for support requests/phone calls)
[21:01:37] <paul_c> Thursday
[21:01:47] <jmkasunich> wtf...
[21:02:13] <jmkasunich> I made a couple commits thursday night.. they appeared on CIA/IRC, but not on the commit list
[21:02:17] <jmkasunich> didn't think much of it
[21:30:09] <fenn> jmk what do you think of what i posted to the dev list?
[21:31:11] <fenn> and paul, too
[21:31:51] <fenn> or maybe your reply is too long for irc, in which case i'll read it when you post to the list
[21:31:58] <fenn> which is fine
[21:32:07] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich ducks to avoid the objects Paul is likely to throw at fenn
[21:32:30] <fenn> no, paul doesn't have any "objects" only globals :)
[21:32:50] <jmkasunich> NML is a source of some contention... those who hate it, those who don't
[21:33:06] <jmkasunich> I was thinking of objects like bricks and knives
[21:33:08] <paul_c> fenn: be carefull not to be suckered into something that you may not want to finish.
[21:33:45] <jmkasunich> at the Fest we decided that at least for now (until next fest maybe) that we are going to stick with NML
[21:34:06] <jmkasunich> the ongoing pro/con discussions accomplish little
[21:34:43] <fenn> i'm more concerned with old code finding its way back into emc2 than what message library we use
[21:34:45] <paul_c> and before you throw out rcslib/libnml, be sure you know what it is that is being chucked.
[21:35:24] <jmkasunich> fenn... you'll find nobody who wants a EMC2 to be a fresh start more than me
[21:35:46] <jmkasunich> but realistically, that would take more programmer hours than we have
[21:35:54] <jmkasunich> so the changes have to be incremental
[21:35:54] <fenn> why do you say that?
[21:36:11] <fenn> emc1 is already "production/stable" why worry if it's broken for a long time
[21:36:34] <jmkasunich> a "long time" could be years
[21:37:06] <fenn> i think you've got tons of developers hanging around in the shadows, waiting for a chance to write some good code
[21:37:22] <fenn> if only you'd give them the chance
[21:37:24] <jmkasunich> you need somebody who is A) motivated to replace NML (could be me) and B) has time to replace NML (not me) and C) is competent to replace NML (certainly not me)
[21:37:43] <paul_c> fenn: Most of those names have been hanging arund for years and done bugger all
[21:38:03] <fenn> paul_c, well, that's life.. :(
[21:38:37] <paul_c> and I can point at probably half of them ab be confident they will never contribute anything.
[21:39:16] <fenn> so, anyway, enough pointing fingers
[21:39:52] <fenn> what do you think about using a different library that's already out there to replace nml?
[21:40:03] <paul_c> already looked.
[21:40:13] <fenn> your conclusions?
[21:41:05] <paul_c> They are all either heavyweight libs (corba, povray's lib)
[21:41:24] <paul_c> or only usable on a small number of platforms
[21:42:01] <paul_c> They all require you to write the message handling layer
[21:42:34] <fenn> do we really need to be concerned with windows-interop? there's always cygwin after all (even though it's a kludge)
[21:42:38] <paul_c> and most can not handle multiple reader & writers
[21:44:49] <fenn> have you looked at dcop? (only message layer I'm familiar with)
[21:45:31] <paul_c> can dcop talk to processes on a remote system ?
[21:45:49] <fenn> it says it uses UNIX sockets including TCP/IP sockets
[21:45:55] <fenn> so, maybe
[21:46:31] <paul_c> maybe isn't good enough when discussing alternatives to NML
[21:47:07] <paul_c> and dcop is going to have a large payload being part of KDE
[21:47:08] <jmkasunich> maybe isn't a reason to dismiss them out of hand, it means more information is neededf
[21:47:46] <fenn> KDE developers tried to use corba, disliked it because it was too big and slow, so they developed dcop
[21:47:56] <paul_c> suggest you take a look at simpl
[21:55:31] <fenn> heh the "simpl paradigm" is just OO programming
[21:57:02] <paul_c> http://members.allstream.net/~fcsoft/simpl/
[21:57:36] <fenn> i'm reading it right now
[21:57:47] <fenn> looks pretty good
[21:58:31] <paul_c> But look at what it does not provide.
[21:58:50] <fenn> does it do tcp? i couldn't figure that out
[21:58:58] <fenn> said something about using "ports" whatever that means
[21:59:22] <paul_c> tcp/udp
[21:59:41] <fenn> okay i'll bite, what doesn't it provide?
[21:59:51] <paul_c> can't remember if it can do serial, but I don't think it can....
[22:00:38] <paul_c> It only provides for one receiver to listen to a single sender
[22:00:57] <paul_c> so to do a one to many protocol
[22:01:22] <fenn> ah that's lame
[22:01:31] <paul_c> you end up having to re-impliment half of the libnml stuff.
[22:02:15] <paul_c> nor can you "reconfigure" via a config file.
[22:02:39] <paul_c> so you have to hard code what is remote, and what is local.
[22:03:01] <paul_c> unless you re-impliment that part of libnml also.
[22:03:23] <fenn> actually it says says they don't even have tcp/ip support
[22:03:40] <fenn> for network messaging at least
[22:05:31] <fenn> how important is the timely-ness of message delivery? simpl seems pretty concerned with "synchronous" message traffic
[22:05:58] <Phydbleep> fenn: It's very important in a RT enviroment.
[22:06:33] <paul_c> At the level where NML is used,
[22:06:59] <paul_c> within one cycle time is acceptable.
[22:07:27] <paul_c> (which could be up to 10 Seconds for some processes)
[22:07:52] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is suddenly scared...
[22:08:21] <fenn> i got the impression that HAL had its own messaging system and thus it wasnt so important to worry about how long it takes for a message to arrive
[22:08:44] <fenn> you wouldn't run data through the messaging layer, right?
[22:08:46] <Phydbleep> I suddenly think I'm glad I'm trying to teach a PIC g-code. :)
[22:09:09] <paul_c> HAL is NOT a message based system
[22:09:31] <paul_c> is it John !
[22:10:07] <Phydbleep> paul_c: HAL is just the HW/SW 'patch panel" if I understand it right.
[22:10:28] <fenn> well, the hal components have to connect together somehow
[22:10:58] <fenn> call it whatever you want
[22:11:33] <Phydbleep> fenn: Yeah, I tend to think of it like a studio (music) or network patch-bay. :)
[22:12:08] <fenn> Phydbleep, that was the idea :)
[22:12:11] <paul_c> You could also look at ACE/TAO as an alternative to simpl
[22:12:57] <fenn> er, why do we have to limit ourselves to "realtime" messaging layers?
[22:13:23] <paul_c> go for CORBA then.
[22:14:35] <fenn> but CORBA is fat and slow (so i hear)
[22:14:35] <robin_sz> fenn: for people who want to use more than one computer to control their machine eg one box for motion and another for IO, a third for spindle etc
[22:15:16] <robin_sz> fenn: if we lost that capablity we would alienate some of our users
[22:15:38] <fenn> is NML actually anywhere close to realtime over a network?
[22:15:53] <robin_sz> I believe so
[22:15:54] <paul_c> define "realtime"
[22:15:54] <fenn> i'm sure the network protocols are user space
[22:16:01] <robin_sz> indeed
[22:16:10] <Phydbleep> robin_sz: Why not ieee1394 interconnect? Add firewire cards to each and run NML like 1394tcpip
[22:16:30] <fenn> Phydbleep, nobody has ieee1394
[22:17:02] <Phydbleep> fenn: Cards are like $9 and 400Mb/s
[22:17:10] <fenn> data rate isn't the issue
[22:17:17] <robin_sz> latency ...
[22:17:22] <robin_sz> thats the thing
[22:17:46] <robin_sz> anyway ... first find out if anyone actually does use more than one box
[22:17:52] <fenn> you gotta wait for the kernel to get around to scheduling in the network cards
[22:18:08] <fenn> actually i'm talking out my ass here
[22:18:33] <paul_c> you need to look at RT-CORBA & TAO again.
[22:19:40] <Phydbleep> http://www.s.netic.de/gfiala/IP_over1394.html
[22:23:13] <fenn> god damn academics love to write complicated stuff
[22:24:04] <Phydbleep> fenn: Ever read the instructions for a zero-g toilet? :)
[22:24:37] <fenn> no, isn't it obvious how to use one?
[22:25:01] <Phydbleep> Ofcourse.. "Pray lodly!"
[22:25:06] <Phydbleep> loudly
[22:25:27] <fenn> oh. i thought it was "stick yer whang in the hole"
[22:25:44] <fenn> anyway.. paul_c it will take me a while to parse all of this data
[22:25:58] <Phydbleep> And PRAY that you get it back in one piece. :)
[22:26:38] <paul_c> fenn: Some points to consider when looking at alternatives....
[22:26:54] <paul_c> It MUST be lightweight and fast
[22:26:56] <jmkasunich> sorry, was away... no, HAL is not messaging, and is also not intended to work between multiple boxes
[22:27:26] <paul_c> It needs to support multiple readers/writers
[22:28:00] <paul_c> and it needs to be easily reconfigurable.
[22:28:16] <fenn> jmkasunich, what i meant is that messaging layer need not extend into the realtime layer
[22:28:18] <Phydbleep> What about a 'bit-board' layer?
[22:28:42] <paul_c> If you ignore the possibility of remote processes via tcp/udp/serial
[22:28:50] <Phydbleep> Wait.. That's what nml should be already.
[22:29:03] <fenn> well, i personally would like to have tcp messaging
[22:29:04] <paul_c> You can forego the entire IPC lib argument.
[22:29:17] <jmkasunich> I was responding to something you said a while ago while I was away: <fenn> i got the impression that HAL had its own messaging system and thus it wasnt so important to worry about how long it takes for a message to arrive
[22:30:12] <paul_c> Oh, and just because a troll whines about NML, it does not make it bad.
[22:31:06] <fenn> well, i'm not going to discuss that right now
[22:31:28] <Phydbleep> Does NML support/use sockets?
[22:31:34] <paul_c> yes
[22:31:39] <fenn> i will thoroughly investigate it before making my own judgements about it
[22:33:37] <paul_c> and which ever lib you go for, you will still end up having to code the messages and decode them at the other end
[22:34:12] <paul_c> with, guess what..... A switch statement or a chain of if/else statements.
[22:34:33] <robin_sz> you are kidding, right?
[22:34:41] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has evil thoughts about trying to compile NML with 'SMP=1'..
[22:34:52] <fenn> * fenn covers his head.
[22:35:45] <robin_sz> strangely enough, more flexible methods than hard coded switch statements exist
[22:35:56] <paul_c> NML should be SMP safe - It was designed for a multiprocessor system.
[22:35:57] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep lifts the flat rock fenn is hiding under and says "It was only a thought". :)
[22:36:27] <fenn> * fenn crawls back underneath and pulls the rock back down.
[22:36:54] <Phydbleep> paul_c: That does lead to another thout.. Beowulf/PVM.
[22:38:05] <paul_c> 12Megs of source code just to send a few messages ??
[22:41:39] <Phydbleep> paul_c: I didn't say it was a good thought, just that it was a thought. :)
[22:50:10] <paul_c> gotta remember to set /ignore in the startup script.
[22:51:11] <fenn> duude. like, take a chill pill man. :)
[22:52:06] <paul_c> I'll settle for a fag.
[22:52:50] <Phydbleep> paul_c: I hope the /ignore isn't for me, I do try to ask relevant stupid questions. :)
[22:53:06] <paul_c> /ignore troll
[22:54:27] <paul_c> one of these days, I might put him on the ban list.
[22:56:35] <fenn> paul_c, what do you use emc for anyway?
[22:58:24] <fenn> what do you want out of it? what do you expect it to be capable of.. etc
[23:02:33] <Phydbleep> fenn: I want to use it on the lathe, then build 2 mills (1 for pc boards and a .4m x .6m x .4m for steel) and a ~3m hexapod to stick a cutsie roof on and call a garden gazebo. :)
[23:03:43] <fenn> Phydbleep, me too, what a coincidence
[23:04:00] <fenn> except my hexapod will go into a geodesic dome greenhouse
[23:04:15] <jmkasunich> I want to use it on my Shoptask 3-in-1 lathe/mill/drill
[23:04:32] <jmkasunich> cheap chinese crap... but the lathe part isn't really too bad
[23:05:11] <fenn> i thought shoptask looked like a decent design, as far as 3 in 1 machines go
[23:05:23] <paul_c> mills (2 off), lathe (to be done), assorted other projects..
[23:05:25] <jmkasunich> yeah, as far as 3-in-1's go
[23:05:42] <jmkasunich> main prob with the mill is lack of knee and only 3" of quill travel
[23:06:03] <paul_c> gotta be able to do remote GUIs without using VNC or X forwarding
[23:06:14] <jmkasunich> the newer ones have a way to raise/lower the entire head, but mine doesn't
[23:07:16] <jmkasunich> my other (manual only) mill is a Van Norman #12, so no 700lb chinese mill will ever look good
[23:07:20] <fenn> paul_c, gotta be able to do it on windows? or will settle for linux control box?
[23:08:01] <paul_c> prefer not to use M$
[23:08:07] <Phydbleep> jmkasunich: So send me the Chinese beater and it'll save me a lot of headaches. :)
[23:08:18] <fenn> heh
[23:08:45] <jmkasunich> sorry... the chinese mach has the the advantage of being small enough to be indoors instead of in the freezing/baking garage
[23:08:59] <fenn> i had a VN12 all lined up, when I showed up with the trailer it was gone. disappeared mysteriously. *poof*
[23:09:07] <jmkasunich> bummer
[23:09:16] <fenn> bastards wouldn't tell me where it went
[23:09:31] <fenn> i was gonna hunt it down and offer the buyer an instant profit
[23:09:35] <Phydbleep> paul_c: ncurses! :)
[23:11:09] <fenn> that was may 2nd, my birthday
[23:11:42] <jmkasunich> I've had mine about 5 yrs
[23:11:50] <fenn> so instead i borrowed my friend's wooden frame gantry router with gas pipe ways
[23:12:06] <Phydbleep> fenn: You're lucky you found 1 all all.. There's so many wanna-be motorheads around here that used mills go for big money..
[23:13:03] <fenn> jmk what do you do for a living?
[23:14:57] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wonders what fenn considers living..
[23:15:39] <fenn> heheh living means you got food in yer belly, a warm place to sleep, and a woman by your side
[23:15:50] <fenn> anything less is uncivilized
[23:16:33] <fenn> usually 2 out of 3 will keep you going
[23:16:46] <Phydbleep> I must be a barbarian then, I'm stuck with a 8"x16" portable office/shop, not enough time or tools and people keep stealing my adjusable wenches. :D
[23:17:00] <Phydbleep> adjustable
[23:17:22] <fenn> oh? how do you "adjust" your wenches? :)
[23:17:41] <Phydbleep> Frequently?
[23:17:45] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. :)
[23:18:42] <Phydbleep> Oh wait, I mean 'Carefully' :D
[23:48:24] <jmkasunich> this mail stuff is getting irritating
[23:54:25] <Phydbleep> jmkasunich: e-mail or Snail-Mail?
[23:55:56] <jmkasunich> e-mail
[23:56:04] <jmkasunich> sourceforge and my ISP are having a falling out
[23:56:35] <jmkasunich> I can't mail to the lists, and it seems even my users.sourceforge.net alias is busted
[23:56:56] <Phydbleep> sf declared as spam again?
[23:57:17] <jmkasunich> I'm getting list email (at least I was... got one a couple hours ago)
[23:57:22] <jmkasunich> just can't send to the list
[23:57:48] <jmkasunich> but if I send to me@users.sourceforge.net (which should be forwarded to the same addy that gets the list mail) it bounces
[23:58:36] <Phydbleep> jmkasunich: Ah, They're bouncing the auto-forwarded stuff.
[23:58:54] <jmkasunich> no, theyre not even forwarding it
