#emc | Logs for 2005-05-23

[00:05:09] <Jymmmm> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK I've be cloned!!!
[00:12:14] <paul_c> paul_c has kicked Jymmm from #emc
[00:12:22] <paul_c> 'cos I can ;)
[00:12:45] <paul_c> The world is only big enough for one Jymmm
[00:13:06] <Jymmmm> lol
[00:13:31] <Phydbleep> paul_c: And I was just about to tell him to stop cloning around and get busy. :)
[00:16:01] <Jymmmm> "Send in the clones...."
[00:17:04] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep sends half a battalion after Jymmmm, on a mission to "Pillage, Plunder and Grape"...
[00:27:13] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[00:27:13] <CIA-12> Reverted Alex's rtapi_math.h - Whilst floating point math is used by some of the
[00:27:13] <CIA-12> realtime modules, we should not encourage it's use (Linus does not use fp math
[00:27:13] <CIA-12> for a reason !). Until such time as kernel space fp math is supported, a couple
[00:27:13] <CIA-12> of ugly hacks are required to avoid compile time warnings. These hacks have the
[00:27:14] <CIA-12> potential to break with future compilers...
[00:27:16] <CIA-12> Fortunately, only two sources in the hal tree are afflicted, the files in emc/
[00:36:42] <paul_c> damit... CVS is slow tonight...
[00:48:42] <Jymmm> on sf ?
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/ (emc2.gif docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf): (log message trimmed)
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> Remove any last trace of those M$ line terminators - *WHEN* I get the command right for f in ./emc2.gif
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> ./docs/man/man1/halcmd.1
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> ./docs/Hal_Introduction.pdf
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> ./directory.map
[00:58:03] <CIA-12> ./configs/core_stepper.hal
[00:58:05] <CIA-12> ./configs/emc.ini
[01:10:26] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/emc2.gif: Repair the damage to the gif..
[01:14:10] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/log/ (emcmotlog.c emcmotlog.h): Repair the damage to the gif & pdf files - Note: Unwise to run dos2unix on these files cd /tmp/emc2..
[01:14:10] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/ (50 files in 13 dirs): Repair the damage to the gif & pdf files - Note: Unwise to run dos2unix on these files cd /tmp/emc2..
[01:15:09] <Jymmm> paul_c I have a lil perl script somewhere if you want it
[01:17:44] <paul_c> done the damage now....
[01:17:56] <Jymmm> k
[01:20:35] <asdfqwega> Skonkers!
[01:21:31] <Jymmm> ?!
[01:31:05] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: I haven't got any of those.. Will you settle for styrofoam peanuts?
[01:55:33] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/ (46 files in 4 dirs): Missed a few files in the last effort....
[02:31:19] <weyland> jmkasunich: are you here? have question relating to that problem
[02:31:46] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich hides
[02:31:49] <weyland> LOL
[02:31:58] <weyland> don't worry, no pressure
[02:32:06] <paul_c> * paul_c hides behind jmkasunich
[02:32:13] <weyland> lol
[02:32:35] <weyland> I ran emc after I did the update today
[02:32:51] <weyland> I took out all backlash comp
[02:33:10] <weyland> and ran some text for engraving just for sh|tzng|glz
[02:33:25] <weyland> it ran *pretty* nicely,
[02:33:31] <weyland> but was still a bit off...
[02:33:47] <weyland> but the Z kept going deeper and deeper as it went along
[02:34:11] <weyland> just wondering if that might be linked to the same problem or I need to chase something else down
[02:34:11] <jmkasunich> with backlash comp set to zero?
[02:34:14] <weyland> yes
[02:34:31] <weyland> it didn'
[02:34:39] <weyland> didn't bury the cutter or nything
[02:34:47] <jmkasunich> then you are loosing steps... you need to tweak tuning (PID) or accel rates to make it stop loosing steps
[02:34:49] <weyland> but it was obviously getting deeper
[02:34:58] <weyland> Ah, okay
[02:35:09] <jmkasunich> the backlash thing simply makes it more obvious
[02:35:12] <weyland> I've always been fuzzy on the PID tuning stuff
[02:35:24] <weyland> has there been anything new written explaining it?
[02:35:24] <jmkasunich> because it generates a more demanding profile for the motors to follow
[02:35:41] <jmkasunich> I'm afraid I don't know anything about tuning emc1
[02:35:55] <weyland> might you know who I can ask?
[02:36:44] <jmkasunich> Ray, maybe JonE... paul?
[02:37:07] <weyland> paul_c: you needn't hide from me unless you've seen the Bison picture...
[02:38:03] <paul_c> losing steps from moving Z up ?
[02:38:27] <weyland> not sure if it is up or down
[02:38:34] <paul_c> Either the Z accel & Velocity is too high, or....
[02:38:41] <jmkasunich> if the cut is getting deeper, you're loosing up steps
[02:38:52] <weyland> yeah, just thought that out...
[02:38:57] <paul_c> the stepper motor isn't strong enough to raise the head.
[02:39:07] <weyland> definitely strong enuff
[02:39:14] <weyland> too much accel?
[02:39:42] <paul_c> most likely.... Drop the PID gains a little too.
[02:40:13] <weyland> Arooo?
[02:40:18] <paul_c> Goodnight all.
[02:40:32] <weyland> wait wait~! PID gains?
[02:40:52] <weyland> LOL, my luck...
[02:41:02] <jmkasunich> 3:40 in the morming over there
[02:41:14] <jmkasunich> try a post to the users list about tuning... somebody will help
[02:41:23] <weyland> Really?!? Wow, where is he?
[02:41:28] <jmkasunich> england
[02:41:42] <weyland> Ah
[02:41:56] <weyland> users list at sourceforge?
[02:42:11] <jmkasunich> yes
[02:42:23] <weyland> kewl, thanks
[02:43:30] <jmkasunich> made some progress on the backlash thing... I have a block of code that limits the commanded path so that it will not exceed velocity or accel limits regardless of what the program and backlash comp add up to
[02:43:49] <weyland> YEAYYYYY~!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:43:54] <jmkasunich> (before the program and the comp could have been acceptable individually but their sum could still accel or move too fast)
[02:44:19] <jmkasunich> right now that code is embedded in an EMC2 HAL component, because that was the fastest way to test it...
[02:44:38] <jmkasunich> (some brain bending math in there, not complex but it took me a week to get it right)
[02:44:47] <weyland> No pressure - any idea when I can have it?
[02:44:51] <jmkasunich> now I just have to translate it for emc1 and stuff it in
[02:45:18] <weyland> kewl, I have SO much stuff to make
[02:45:22] <jmkasunich> one long evening should do it... but tonight won't be that evening, nor tomorrow (other committments)
[02:45:36] <jmkasunich> hopefully tuesday
[02:45:39] <weyland> A lot of it for this bike for the magazine
[02:45:41] <weyland> okay
[03:15:35] <weyland> reading the archives and manual, thanks for the help yet again
[03:15:39] <weyland> bye
[04:23:03] <CIA-12> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): merged the last couple weeks of work from the kbuild-0-1 branch to HEAD. HEAD should now compile under all BDIs, including BDI-4.20 (kernel 2.6)
[04:23:13] <CIA-12> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/ (19 files in 7 dirs): merged the last couple weeks of work from the kbuild-0-1 branch to HEAD. HEAD should now compile under all BDIs, including BDI-4.20 (kernel 2.6)
[04:37:08] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[06:32:38] <anonimasu> morning
[06:34:58] <Phydbleep> Morning. :)
[06:45:53] <Jymmm> 2335
[06:49:07] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Give it another 10 minutes and it'll be ,orning where you are. :)
[06:49:33] <Jymmm> Phydbleep afternoon. clocks are running backwards!
[06:49:55] <Jymmm> stinking 2 phase clocks!
[06:49:58] <Jymmm> 3
[07:03:01] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[07:03:02] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[07:06:48] <anonimasu> haha
[07:07:26] <anonimasu> one question how do you count irregurarily sized 1mm seeds?
[07:07:38] <anonimasu> easily :D
[07:07:52] <Jymmm> electronic scale
[07:08:03] <anonimasu> not possible..
[07:08:04] <anonimasu> :)
[07:08:12] <Jymmm> sure it is
[07:08:18] <Jymmm> gram scale
[07:08:23] <anonimasu> oh, in a controlled env it is..
[07:08:47] <Phydbleep> Optically.
[07:09:03] <anonimasu> the trouble is how do you get exactly one seed to pass at a time..
[07:09:16] <anonimasu> since they are irregurarily sized they can stick..
[07:09:26] <Phydbleep> Archimedes screw.
[07:09:52] <anonimasu> also impossible..
[07:09:54] <Phydbleep> Mkae it and the housing out of acrylic.
[07:10:02] <Jymmm> hire a kid
[07:10:50] <anonimasu> yeah
[07:10:56] <Jymmm> will a MT2 taper fit in a 1/2" jacobs chuck?
[07:11:00] <anonimasu> I am going to count them optically
[07:11:06] <Phydbleep> or make the impellor out of silicone.
[07:11:07] <anonimasu> although it's a "dose" of seeds
[07:11:17] <anonimasu> 2-3 ones..
[07:12:13] <anonimasu> with a optical fork, but it's not quite what I want :)
[07:13:15] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: NO.
[07:13:29] <anonimasu> want/need/should have..
[07:13:47] <Jymmm> Phydbleep you sure?
[07:14:25] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46343
[07:14:26] <Phydbleep> MT1 might barely fit, but you'll never get a good grab on it.
[07:15:52] <Phydbleep> MTx == Morse Taper.. You'd have to turn/grind a 1/2" non taper to grab it.
[07:17:44] <Phydbleep> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45047
[07:17:59] <Phydbleep> Look at the hole in the end and the dia of the shank.
[07:19:25] <Jymmm> k
[07:19:58] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep was about to go get the 1/2" Jacobs, a MT2 shank and the camera. :)
[07:20:21] <Jymmm> I'm waiting
[07:21:31] <Phydbleep> Why do you want one of those for a drill-press?
[07:21:47] <Jymmm> for us in a drill press, yes.
[07:21:50] <Jymmm> use
[07:22:22] <Phydbleep> There are some of those that are 1/2" shank.. Look around some more.
[07:22:38] <Jymmm> on HF ?
[07:23:05] <Phydbleep> Or get one, dissasemble it, get the MT2 shank turned down to 1/2", re-assemble.
[07:24:15] <Jymmm> Jacobs 33
[07:24:26] <alex_joni> morning crowd
[07:24:55] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Hey, I resent that remark.. We're more of a rabble. :)
[07:25:14] <Phydbleep> Or an unruly mob. :)
[07:25:35] <Jymmm> Phydbleep this is (basically) my drillpress http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=1153
[07:25:53] <alex_joni> morning unruly mob
[07:26:05] <Jymmm> alex_joni Hey, I resent that remark!
[07:26:08] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: That's better! :)
[07:27:45] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Order a spare spindle and have it bored/turned for a MT@?
[07:27:50] <Phydbleep> MT2
[07:28:41] <Jymmm> Phydbleep where are these other $100 tapping head you were tqlking about?
[07:29:26] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep found 1500 rpm, 1000kg side load bearings to make a megamill.
[07:30:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hands Phydbleep a 2 axes 25000N manipulator
[07:30:37] <alex_joni> just sold one today :)
[07:31:51] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Well cool, When does the truck get here with it?
[07:34:35] <alex_joni> you do realise you need some big servo's for it ;)
[07:34:39] <alex_joni> 2-3 kW motors
[07:34:40] <anonimasu> nice!
[07:34:52] <Jymmm> diesel powered servos
[07:35:08] <anonimasu> it could be done with huydralics..
[07:35:08] <anonimasu> :
[07:35:09] <anonimasu> :)
[07:35:23] <anonimasu> but the valve package $ would kill you
[07:35:23] <alex_joni> you don't have precision with hydraulics
[07:35:27] <Phydbleep> Or steam. :)
[07:35:35] <alex_joni> lol.. how about men power?
[07:35:57] <Phydbleep> :P
[07:36:01] <anonimasu> alex_joni: not the same..
[07:36:17] <anonimasu> alex_joni: but the cost isnt the same either..
[07:36:18] <alex_joni> well.. donkeys?
[07:37:16] <anonimasu> :D
[07:37:24] <alex_joni> heh
[07:37:30] <Phydbleep> I'm building the power systems for the lathe where I can flat-belt drive it and use the pmdc spindle motor for a generator to run a laptop/pc. :)
[07:40:19] <Jymmm> who sells cheap cast iron pullys?
[07:40:29] <Jymmm> for replacement on a table saw
[07:41:01] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: commercial laundry machine repair places.
[07:41:23] <Jymmm> they use a fanbelt?
[07:41:36] <Jymmm> I thought they had a transmission
[07:41:39] <Phydbleep> Drivebelt for the pump.
[07:41:49] <Jymmm> ah
[07:42:11] <Phydbleep> Also drive pulleys for dryres if you need a 12" pulley. :)
[07:42:35] <Jymmm> just 3 or 4 "
[07:43:03] <Jymmm> and I need to get a key too
[07:43:09] <Phydbleep> Pump pulley.. Ford water pump pulley is about that size.
[07:43:27] <Phydbleep> What size shaft?
[07:43:48] <Jymmm> ~ 1"
[07:43:55] <Jymmm> for a 1HP motor
[07:44:35] <Phydbleep> Commercial washing machine part.
[07:45:25] <Jymmm> are most pulleys iron ro aluminum?
[07:45:28] <Jymmm> or
[07:45:31] <Phydbleep> 1hp?
[07:45:47] <Phydbleep> 1hp should be ~ 5/8" with a key.
[07:45:50] <Jymmm> yep, it really is a 1hp motor
[07:46:03] <Jymmm> it could be 5/8" I dont recall
[07:46:21] <Phydbleep> 5/8".. 3/4" tops I bet.
[07:46:53] <Jymmm> are most pulleys iron or aluminum?
[07:50:04] <Phydbleep> Depends on the pulley and the app and how much of the design was reworked by the beancounters in the name of profits. :)
[07:50:05] <alex_joni> Jymmm: plastic
[07:50:54] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Air compressor repair places will have iron pulleys.. home depot will have Al.
[07:51:29] <Jymmm> ok, cool. they're onlt being replaced becasue the set screw won't stay tight
[07:51:33] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has 1 2-3/8" OD 3/4" bore keyed pulley.
[07:51:51] <Phydbleep> And it's Al.
[07:51:56] <Jymmm> yep
[07:52:17] <Jymmm> key is fubared now becasue of it too - doens't even looked hardened
[07:52:54] <Phydbleep> I have a bunch of random unkeyed pulleys and a 'broaching set' to broach the keyways if I need them.
[07:53:38] <Phydbleep> Re-grind the key smooth (or cut a new one) and case-harden it.
[07:54:19] <Jymmm> harden it how?
[07:54:33] <Jymmm> I just have a propane torch
[07:54:37] <Phydbleep> Or just get some hardened key stock..
[07:55:34] <Phydbleep> Hang on.
[07:58:10] <Phydbleep> http://www.ytmag.com/toolt/messages/125947.html
[07:58:18] <A-L-P-H-A> sup people?
[07:58:41] <alex_joni> yo A-L-P-H-A
[07:58:42] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is teaching newbs about case-hardening parts. :)
[07:58:52] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[07:59:49] <anonimasu> hehe
[07:59:50] <anonimasu> nice
[08:00:30] <Jymmm> chem reaction between the stell and carbon?
[08:00:33] <Jymmm> steel
[08:00:52] <alex_joni> yo anders
[08:00:53] <alex_joni> morning
[08:01:21] <anonimasu> morning
[08:01:34] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I got my serial interface to the plc working neatly yesterday
[08:01:35] <Jymmm> thats kinda neat Phydbleep
[08:01:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is going to try hardening somthing
[08:01:52] <anonimasu> I didnt know about the charcoal..
[08:01:58] <anonimasu> but I've hardened stuff, in just oil..
[08:02:20] <anonimasu> I wonder if you could just use a inert gas as atmosphere..
[08:02:35] <anonimasu> argon or somthing
[08:02:38] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1537663
[08:02:40] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: got a idea?
[08:02:57] <anonimasu> alex_joni: how's things going?
[08:03:29] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep would try reduced atmosphere and an induction heater if it was handy.
[08:03:29] <alex_joni> pretty ok
[08:03:50] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder how much work to build a induction heater would be..
[08:04:17] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Pull a partial vaccuum on the chamber and then flush it with N2 or Ar..
[08:04:56] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Depends on how big a part you want to heat and whether you want to be able to slag it or not. :)
[08:06:10] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[08:06:15] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: induction heaters need to be tuned to the mass involved.
[08:06:25] <Phydbleep> G'nite Jymmm
[08:07:08] <Phydbleep> Crap.. I hope he has brains enough to ventilate the area if he tries that..
[08:08:11] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has had to kick someone 'up the arse' for roasting marshmallows on a hibachi in the living room..
[08:08:51] <Phydbleep> They thought it would be a 'cool' way to warm up a cold room. :|
[08:09:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep. :) hahahha
[08:09:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, how old are the kids?
[08:10:14] <Phydbleep> 19, 21, & 22.. It was a bunch of former housemates in the university ghetto.
[08:10:46] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: where r u from?
[08:10:54] <A-L-P-H-A> do you yanks get tomorrow off?
[08:10:55] <Phydbleep> But, They were smart enough to set the beer outside the window to cool.
[08:10:57] <A-L-P-H-A> err, monday?
[08:11:22] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: today is monday ... :)
[08:11:43] <alex_joni> almost half the day gone already
[08:11:44] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, you ain't a yankee. suuush.
[08:11:49] <alex_joni> [11:11] <alex_joni> almost half the day gone already
[08:12:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to know if I can call msc to get something ordered.
[08:12:01] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: I'm in New Mexico.
[08:12:23] <alex_joni> nice
[08:12:35] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, is there a holiday tomorrow for you guys?
[08:13:14] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: 'Land of the Flea, Home of the Plague'... 'Come on vacation, Leave on probation'..
[08:13:50] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: HTFWIK? I'm a stay at home daddy. :)
[08:15:31] <Phydbleep> I think the holiday weekend is next week.
[08:15:34] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: with a avr to control the frequency..
[08:16:21] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: And a non-contact pyrometer to monitor the heating.
[08:16:49] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: You could make it self-tune that way as well.
[08:18:25] <anonimasu> yep
[08:19:12] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: New Mexico reminds me of an old movie I liked to see
[08:19:20] <alex_joni> have you seen Convoy?
[08:19:28] <anonimasu> ^_^
[08:19:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:19:31] <Phydbleep> Damnation Alley?
[08:19:52] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Yeah, Long time ago.
[08:19:56] <alex_joni> same here
[08:20:03] <alex_joni> but it was nice :)
[08:20:21] <alex_joni> New Mexico, I40
[08:21:55] <Phydbleep> Sand-storms.. Dust-storms... wind-storms.. hail-storms.. Oh yeah.. We get all the exciting weather.
[08:22:31] <Phydbleep> I'm expecting it to top out about 120F here this summer. :\
[08:24:25] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, hahhaha. sucka.
[08:24:27] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[08:24:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I might get 30oC... MAX 36oC.
[08:24:52] <A-L-P-H-A> horray for CANADA!
[08:25:23] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: may the fleas of a thousand armpits infest your camel... :)
[08:25:45] <A-L-P-H-A> sure.
[08:27:50] <Phydbleep> Or was that "May the dogs of a thousand fleas infest your armpits"?, I was always lousy at this sort of thing..
[08:28:03] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep flunked cursive..
[08:30:29] <anonimasu> heh
[08:35:55] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A (And anyone else in the northern states/territories/ice floes) http://www.homier.com About like HF with a few odd deals.
[08:35:55] <alex_joni> heh
[08:36:05] <alex_joni> found a nice quote
[08:36:12] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[08:36:13] <alex_joni> The difficult I'll do right now.
[08:36:13] <alex_joni> The impossible will take a little while
[08:37:13] <Phydbleep> http://www.homier.com/detail.asp?dpt=1&cat=11&sku=03989 < Out of stock currently.. $200 mill/drill.. MT2 spindle.
[08:38:36] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: That's like the "I fix it $25/hr, I fix you watch $50/hr, You worked on it first? $100/hr." sign at the TV repair shop. :)
[08:38:52] <alex_joni> heh
[08:39:19] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: looks nice for a mill
[08:39:24] <alex_joni> pretty cheap too
[08:41:02] <Phydbleep> Yeah, And if you talk to the right guy you can buy castings from returns.. lathe/mill bits..
[08:41:51] <alex_joni> what do you think of: http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Reviews/Homier2/Homier.htm ?
[08:42:56] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: That's the 7x12, I was going to buy a set of castings for one and add motor/electronics/etc.
[08:46:15] <Phydbleep> I was actually thinking that since the headstock is symmetrical I could buy 2 headstocks, 1 bed and a few other bits to build a custom machine.
[08:53:24] <anonimasu> nice
[08:53:28] <anonimasu> *waits for he
[08:53:39] <anonimasu> he's qt book to arrive
[09:00:23] <alex_joni> heh
[09:00:31] <alex_joni> still bugging qt around?
[09:00:32] <alex_joni> ,)
[09:01:01] <alex_joni> I have a friend who has a lathe
[09:01:05] <alex_joni> and wants to CNC it
[09:01:12] <alex_joni> and maybe sell it afterwards
[09:01:18] <anonimasu> alex_joni: bugging?
[09:01:34] <anonimasu> alex_joni: it's probably the best way to write a gui I think.. if you can live with the license terms..
[09:01:34] <alex_joni> yeah.. tinkering
[09:01:48] <anonimasu> ie: GNU YOUR CODE!
[09:01:49] <anonimasu> ;)
[09:01:50] <alex_joni> an0n: can you do a halgui in it?
[09:02:04] <alex_joni> GNU's not Unix :(
[09:02:09] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes..
[09:02:09] <alex_joni> ;)
[09:02:14] <anonimasu> although I need to learn it first...
[09:02:17] <alex_joni> don't believe you :P
[09:02:47] <anonimasu> but well, online programming stuff is on top of my list..
[09:02:59] <alex_joni> yeah..
[09:03:02] <anonimasu> good for playing with qt also..
[09:06:31] <anonimasu> brb lunch
[09:16:52] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is reading the instructions for his new "Bomba De Gasolina"...
[09:17:12] <alex_joni> heh.. doing coctails?
[09:17:18] <alex_joni> molotov?
[09:17:31] <Phydbleep> Which is what the box for the new fuel pump says.
[09:18:01] <Phydbleep> It also says "Pompe A Essence"
[09:18:28] <alex_joni> lol
[09:18:48] <alex_joni> essence de petrol
[09:19:04] <Phydbleep> Like I really need the instructions.. I read them to find out how stupid they expect the general public to be. :)
[09:21:15] <Phydbleep> ~15% of the population here speaks nothing but Spanish.. I wonder how many FBI heart attacks there would be if they wiretapped autozone?
[09:22:03] <Phydbleep> Si, Si, Bomba De Gasolina, Bomba De Gasolina.. $29.99... ROFL.. :)
[09:30:22] <alex_joni> LOL
[09:30:48] <alex_joni> I take 15 pcs ;)
[09:33:57] <Phydbleep> /me wonders if asdfqwega likes blue neon...
[09:34:00] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wonders if asdfqwega likes blue neon...
[09:34:54] <alex_joni> blue neon?
[09:35:52] <Phydbleep> Yeah, Blue Neon.. I have a pair of 10" dia blue neon speaker surround rings with the power supply.
[09:54:51] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=81552#post81552
[09:54:52] <anonimasu> neat
[10:01:44] <anonimasu> cute
[10:01:57] <anonimasu> *loves rotary engines*
[10:03:16] <alex_joni> heh
[10:04:13] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Have you seen http://www.freedom-motors.com ?
[10:04:14] <alex_joni> http://www.keveney.com/Wankel.html
[10:04:17] <anonimasu> no
[10:04:46] <alex_joni> no?
[10:05:22] <anonimasu> I havent seen it :9
[10:05:23] <anonimasu> :)
[10:05:58] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: FM licensed the OMC patents for rotary motors.
[10:06:12] <alex_joni> well.. nice
[10:06:20] <alex_joni> not that I care... LOL
[10:06:34] <Phydbleep> D'Eaux!
[10:06:54] <anonimasu> if I am going to build a model of a engine it'll be a rotary
[10:06:55] <anonimasu> :)
[10:08:17] <anonimasu> a 2 rotor 500cc engine ;)
[10:08:32] <Phydbleep> And now for todays lesson in french.. "Cui coupe la fromage?" "Cui coupe la fromage?" .. "Who cut the cheese?" "Who cut the cheese?"...
[10:10:37] <alex_joni> d'eaux?
[10:10:57] <alex_joni> fido: thought it was "qui"
[10:11:13] <Phydbleep> D'Eaux! (Translation... ."D'Oh!")
[10:11:20] <alex_joni> heh
[10:11:23] <alex_joni> nice one ;)
[10:11:28] <alex_joni> kinda watery
[10:11:40] <alex_joni> if it would be a cool doh...
[10:11:43] <Phydbleep> EEEWWWWWWWW!
[10:11:44] <alex_joni> we would have ice ;)
[10:11:55] <alex_joni> what?
[10:12:12] <Phydbleep> Oh.. NM.. :)
[10:13:58] <anonimasu> hm, actually you could skip the second rotor and build a centrifugal supercharger..
[10:14:01] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: They've done a 150cc single rotor that will be used in APU's (Aux Power Unit) for semi refrigerators.
[10:14:09] <anonimasu> *grins*
[10:23:19] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep remembers something..
[10:23:59] <Phydbleep> I have to fill out the sample reques form I got from Ananlog Devices and email it back..
[10:24:47] <alex_joni> I never got free samples :((
[10:27:37] <anonimasu> :/
[10:28:28] <anonimasu> alex_joni: you were being too modest
[10:28:29] <anonimasu> :D
[10:29:20] <alex_joni> heh
[10:29:58] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: 99% of the time, All you have to do is know how to fill out web-forms. :)
[10:30:15] <alex_joni> might be
[10:30:30] <alex_joni> but I think they reconsider when they check the shipping costs ;)
[10:35:33] <anonimasu> probably
[10:40:01] <anonimasu> welcome paul
[10:40:38] <alex_joni> yeah.. morning
[10:43:52] <anonimasu> hah
[10:48:50] <paul_c> Morning...
[10:49:05] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Microchip is Fed-Exing stuff in from Malasia and Thailand to me here.
[11:00:41] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep orders a pair of ADXL321 +/-18g accelerometer sensors and a pair of brownout/reset chips..
[11:01:10] <anonimasu> neat
[11:01:15] <fenn> alexander slocum is my hero
[11:01:43] <fenn> not only does he have the most badass machine tool designs, he has the most badass design engineering lectures on the web
[11:01:56] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[11:05:53] <Phydbleep> Scarey.. 4mm x 4mm x 1.45mm +/-18g sensor.. I can build a high speed balancer for > 75k rpm and < $30..
[11:06:28] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep knows fenn will want one.
[11:10:02] <Phydbleep> Hehehe... I'll have to build 2.. 1 big one for the 9.25" disks and a smaller one for some 1.75" models.
[11:14:46] <fenn> why's it so big?
[11:14:59] <fenn> oh nm thought it said cm not mm
[11:15:01] <Phydbleep> fenn: ?
[11:15:17] <Phydbleep> Ah.
[11:15:18] <fenn> what is it a load cell?
[11:15:54] <fenn> need to figure out where to buy those
[11:15:57] <Phydbleep> It's 100mV/g if VCC = 5V?
[11:16:04] <Phydbleep> Does that help?
[11:16:30] <Phydbleep> 57mV/g @ 3.3v
[11:16:37] <fenn> not really, i can't remember if strain gauges (read: load cells) work on resistance or capacitance
[11:16:57] <anonimasu> I think you get a voltage proportional to the load..
[11:17:19] <Phydbleep> Yeah, Analog out.
[11:17:42] <fenn> yeah, who cares so long as it works :/
[11:17:53] <Phydbleep> They have analog or pwm out units.
[11:18:23] <Phydbleep> My thoughts exactly. :)
[11:18:34] <anonimasu> :D
[11:18:55] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep needs to get a large rubber rat to cut in half..
[11:19:44] <fenn> i'm totally amazed at how good juiced radish greens taste
[11:19:51] <fenn> they have me bouncing around like i'm on meth, too
[11:19:55] <Phydbleep> I'm going to mount the back half on a nice plaque with a $2000 price tag on it..
[11:20:17] <fenn> rats in NM??
[11:20:46] <Phydbleep> If somebody wants me to give a rats ass it'll cost them $2000. :)
[11:21:02] <Phydbleep> fenn: Rubber rat.
[11:21:19] <fenn> D'Eaux!!
[11:21:34] <Phydbleep> We have pidgeons here.. Winged rats. :)
[11:21:40] <paul_c> Phydbleep: Google for SOE & exploding rats
[11:21:57] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is scared to..
[11:23:03] <fenn> wow..
[11:23:28] <fenn> all those times when we were kids, stuffing firecrackers into dead squirrels..
[11:23:38] <alex_joni> lol
[11:23:54] <fenn> were really just memories of our past lives as secret agents coming back again :)
[11:26:13] <Phydbleep> paul_c: Ever hear about the cat-piloted bomb?
[11:26:20] <anonimasu> :(
[11:26:32] <Phydbleep> paul_c: It was part of the same SOE circus.
[11:27:26] <paul_c> SOE was years before I were born.
[11:28:02] <Phydbleep> Bleah.. 05:30.. Time for me to fall over.. It'll me 90 by noon and too hot to sleep. :\
[11:28:15] <Phydbleep> G'night all. :)
[11:28:39] <fenn> nite
[11:28:55] <alex_joni> n
[11:28:58] <alex_joni> n8
[11:32:23] <CIA-12> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/configs/emc.ini: changed default intro file in emc.ini
[11:35:05] <anonimasu> I just got a lathe quick-change kit..
[11:35:15] <anonimasu> :)
[11:35:28] <nevyn> :)
[11:39:16] <alex_joni> are you guys reading EPN ?
[11:40:19] <fenn> what's EPN?
[11:40:37] <alex_joni> http://www.epn-online.com/
[11:41:30] <fenn> looks like epn doesn't know what EPN stands for
[11:41:50] <alex_joni> electronic product news
[11:43:31] <fenn> i am reading #EMC logs.. like the real thing only better :P
[11:43:45] <alex_joni> fenn: where from?
[11:43:49] <fenn> your logger
[11:43:54] <alex_joni> heh
[11:44:08] <fenn> it's funny til it comes back to bite you in the ass :)
[11:44:52] <fenn> people are more interesting when they don't know they're being watched
[11:45:12] <fenn> they're also more interesting when you cut out the hours and hours of boredom...
[11:46:27] <alex_joni> lol
[11:46:30] <alex_joni> well.. be my guest
[11:46:37] <alex_joni> btw, you could work on sundays
[11:46:43] <alex_joni> and post those to linuxcnc.org
[11:46:51] <alex_joni> as the irc logs there are a bit outdated ;)
[11:47:01] <fenn> sort of "secretary duties"?
[11:47:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders how long fenn would last doing the task
[11:47:09] <alex_joni> jmk tried it for a while
[11:47:14] <alex_joni> then I did it for a while
[11:47:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is finally done
[11:47:21] <alex_joni> but.. it's kinda boring ;)
[11:47:31] <alex_joni> an0n: ready to count your seeds *grin*
[11:47:33] <alex_joni> ?
[11:47:46] <anonimasu> alex_joni: finished the other plc box..
[11:47:55] <fenn> just clean out the crap and post it or just post it raw or what?
[11:47:55] <alex_joni> ahh
[11:48:08] <alex_joni> clean out the logged on / logged off stuff
[11:48:13] <alex_joni> clean out email addys
[11:48:16] <anonimasu> cat <log> |grep -v "<anonimasu>"
[11:48:23] <anonimasu> ^_^
[11:48:29] <alex_joni> grep -e
[11:48:32] <alex_joni> ;)
[11:49:06] <alex_joni> an0n: would still leave a lot of traces.. (from <an0n>, <anonimasu_>, etc..)
[11:49:27] <anonimasu> I was just kidding :)
[11:49:41] <anonimasu> brb, fetching a cola
[11:49:45] <fenn> my version of grep.. grep -e means expression, -v means invert matching
[11:50:05] <fenn> i assume you mean --erase or some such
[11:50:19] <alex_joni> fenn: oh and we need a short description for each sunday meeting ;)
[11:50:29] <fenn> ah that's the tricky part
[11:50:34] <alex_joni> fenn: an0n suggested -v (that would only leave lines without anonimasu)
[11:50:46] <alex_joni> I said make that -e (to leave only lines with anonimasu)
[11:51:32] <fenn> i'm not a "guru" yet, even if my lug thinks so
[11:51:50] <fenn> lug= (local) linux user group
[11:52:30] <fenn> sure.. since i'm reading the logs anyway
[11:52:45] <fenn> can i make my own user acct on the wiki or do i need permission?
[11:53:38] <alex_joni> you can make your own acct on the wiki
[11:53:45] <alex_joni> but irc logs are not on the wiki
[11:53:58] <fenn> well why the hell not? :)
[11:54:07] <fenn> that's where i'll put 'em
[11:54:07] <alex_joni> dunno
[11:54:11] <alex_joni> heh
[11:54:18] <fenn> i'm a fan of wiki's
[11:56:16] <fenn> why are there so many different formats for the logger?
[11:56:27] <fenn> .txt, .html, .rdf
[11:56:41] <alex_joni> only use txt
[11:56:47] <alex_joni> html is deprecated
[11:56:52] <alex_joni> and rdf I can't switch off :D
[11:56:57] <fenn> weird
[11:57:27] <alex_joni> fenn: didn't bother too much with this logger
[11:57:31] <alex_joni> logger_aj, you suck
[11:57:31] <alex_joni> I'm logging. I don't understand 'you suck', alex_joni. Try /msg logger_aj help
[11:57:45] <fenn> is there a better log somewhere?
[11:57:56] <alex_joni> the log is ok
[11:58:01] <alex_joni> the logger is stupid ;)
[11:58:14] <fenn> * fenn shrugs.
[11:59:37] <logger_aj> * logger_aj is already logging
[12:02:25] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has been cleaning the desk
[12:03:29] <fenn> BDI 4.20 is emc2, yes, no?
[12:03:46] <fenn> i thought it was emc1 but now i'm confused
[12:04:48] <alex_joni> emc1
[12:04:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[12:04:54] <alex_joni> bye
[12:42:24] <fenn> The TurboTool can comfortably operate at speeds of 100,000 rpm and with 100 kW of cutting power. Higher speeds and cutting power can be obtained as shown below. :o
[12:43:22] <fenn> yet another monster from slocum's laboratory
[12:48:02] <fenn> gonna slap one of those babies on my hexapod for sure
[13:02:44] <les> fenn you have a hexapod?
[13:56:59] <anonimasu> turbotool?
[14:01:36] <anonimasu> fenn: you think it'd be possible to build a spindle like that?
[14:02:21] <anonimasu> 100 000rpm is neat ^_^
[14:09:42] <paul_c> Morning Steve.
[14:09:42] <steve_s_logging> steve_s_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[14:09:55] <steve_stallings> Morning, you guys have been BUSY!
[14:11:37] <paul_c> just wait till I really get going...
[14:13:25] <steve_stallings> The thought scares me just a bit. The rest of us are still trying to absorb all the new stuff.
[14:14:40] <paul_c> Now that John has merged the kbuild stuff, I will be joining some of the bdi-4 branch as per codeFest agreement.
[14:14:50] <steve_stallings> Question - will it be possible to easily have multiple interpreters so that some of the issues with how they should behave can be answered by selecting a variant with a .ini paramater?
[14:16:00] <steve_stallings> I want to see a stable, industry standard version, but do not want to inhibit those who want to tinker.
[14:16:03] <paul_c> That depends very much on how the different interps are implimented.
[14:16:59] <paul_c> If it requires 3,4,99 directories each containing 12,000 lines of identical code....
[14:17:04] <paul_c> then NO
[14:19:21] <paul_c> If Rumley wants to do a variant that uses 99% of common code, he does it in a branch.
[14:20:21] <steve_stallings> Then how would it make it into distribution as option selectable by .ini file?
[14:20:46] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone able to go to www.editplus.info ?
[14:21:33] <paul_c> If by "distribution", you mean a BDI disk....
[14:22:52] <steve_stallings> Paul - I was really meaning a tarball on SourceForge, but would not object to it being on a BDI. BDI is your thing, so your call.
[14:23:25] <steve_stallings> editplus.info - good DNS, tracert fails on last hop?
[14:23:58] <paul_c> body, dead, over - All spring to mind when talking about the BDI & screwball interps.
[14:24:51] <steve_stallings> Figured that. Did you find a freely available set of docs of ISO version? I did find Fadal have a complete programmers manual on line.
[14:25:27] <les> I pretty much like the interpreter as written originally.
[14:25:28] <paul_c> Fred was suppose to email the ISO standards over
[14:25:44] <les> Only think I missed was subroutines.
[14:26:34] <steve_stallings> Not sure if subroutines are in the ISO version, but I also want them badly.
[14:27:04] <paul_c> subroutines, macros, PLC functions...
[14:27:33] <les> I just printed out the NIST stand alone int review. Boy is the format of that messed up.
[14:27:36] <steve_stallings> I think it would be a good thing is we could adhere to a standard published by a vendor independent body of some sort.
[14:27:52] <les> Printed a lot of garbage...wasted a lot of paper.
[14:29:13] <steve_stallings> If the ISO standard is modern and maintained, then we could "settle" a lot of agruments by saying the standard EMC interpreter conforms to ISO standard XXX.
[14:29:53] <paul_c> ISO6983
[14:29:55] <les> There are now at least 3 commercial cnc control software packages that use the NIST interpreter.
[14:30:14] <steve_stallings> Les - is this a new document? Where is it?
[14:30:35] <les> not new...but
[14:30:39] <les> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC-release-archives/content/RS274NGC_22.doc
[14:31:04] <steve_stallings> OK, got my hopes up when you said "review".
[14:33:04] <les> Well I called it that because it discusses shortcomings etc
[14:35:30] <les> I was looking at that trying to decide which control to put on the router.
[14:35:42] <les> I will use emc on a mill.
[14:37:58] <les> It should work ok on a mill at slow feeds with simple shapes
[14:38:22] <les> only problem is the inability to blend tangent arcs
[14:38:38] <les> That will cause problems on any machine at any speed
[14:40:15] <paul_c> I see Fadel show the Siemens 840 manuals as well as their own...
[14:43:47] <anonimasu> hello everyone
[14:43:56] <les> hello
[14:45:26] <anonimasu> les: well, I hope it'll be solved anytime soon
[14:46:14] <les> I wouldn't count on it
[14:46:21] <anonimasu> hm, why not?
[14:46:28] <anonimasu_> anonimasu_ is now known as anonimasu
[14:46:41] <les> it has been years of trying
[14:47:35] <anonimasu> I find it strange that there a single person that understands why it happens..
[14:47:53] <les> Well that would be Fred
[14:48:11] <les> I have a basic idea though
[14:48:28] <les> It is inherent in the structure of the code
[14:49:00] <les> TP should not be a synced RT thing
[14:49:40] <anonimasu> couldnt you get it to load the segments instead of calculating them synced?
[14:50:09] <les> EMC uses the motion current plan calculated every nth servo cycle
[14:50:26] <les> That is basically the wrong way to do it.
[14:50:36] <les> Fred will tell you that.
[14:51:13] <les> Motions should be time stamped data in a queue.
[14:52:04] <les> The RT servo cycle should use the current time to refer to the proper plan data
[14:52:23] <anonimasu> I dont really see a problem with doing it that way..
[14:52:28] <les> That way there are no starvation issues.
[14:52:36] <anonimasu> except for how/when you do the calculations
[14:52:52] <les> The plan is precalculated using the max feed over ride
[14:53:30] <anonimasu> so you just feed all the data into the planner
[14:53:36] <anonimasu> that sticks it into a queue..
[14:53:43] <les> then if servo cycle time is scaled it will always still be valid.
[14:53:43] <anonimasu> does the calcs..
[14:55:06] <anonimasu> wouldnt it be possible to modify the current planner to do that?
[14:55:20] <anonimasu> and to replace it with a planner that loads precalculated stuff off the queue?
[14:55:54] <les> The current planner is invoked every nth servo cycle in RT
[14:56:03] <les> that would have to change
[14:56:14] <anonimasu> yes, but you could change the planner to a "motionqueue.c"
[14:56:32] <les> but that would seem to change the whole basic structure of emc
[14:56:45] <les> which I guess is difficult
[14:57:14] <anonimasu> difficult does not mean it's impossible..
[14:57:36] <les> A g-code file is just a list of positions and time (by calculation from feed)
[14:57:53] <les> A queue of motion plans is the same thing
[14:58:05] <les> just in a different format
[14:58:08] <anonimasu> yes..
[14:58:30] <anonimasu> wouldnt the changes required be in the part that translates the queue into physical motion be what would be required to change?
[14:58:49] <anonimasu> and in segmentqueue to place the calculated segments somwhere..
[14:58:53] <les> um...say again?
[14:59:08] <anonimasu> I dont have a idea where the motion happens..
[14:59:16] <anonimasu> is it in segmentqueue or in emcmot?
[14:59:28] <anonimasu> where do the segments go..
[14:59:34] <les> The servo cycle runs on a timmer interupt right?
[14:59:37] <les> timer
[14:59:38] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:00:04] <anonimasu> servo cycle time
[15:00:10] <les> that time should point to a precalculated queue element.
[15:00:30] <les> Rather than calculate a current one every nth cycle
[15:01:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:01:50] <anonimasu> but if you instead of calculating every segment on the fly
[15:02:04] <anonimasu> you could load your segments into memory, and just copy them..
[15:02:46] <les> Well there is no reason whatsoever to calculate segments on the fly
[15:18:43] <les> bbiaw
[15:19:07] <anonimasu> ok
[15:19:08] <anonimasu> later
[15:46:19] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/ (25 files in 12 dirs):
[15:46:19] <CIA-12> This is the first stage of joining of the bdi-4 branch and HEAD. It *may* break both HEAD and the branch, but this will be fixed in later commits.
[15:46:19] <CIA-12> Note: Just the rtapi, hal, and libnml directories have been joined so far. A few minor changes need to be made in HEAD before a join can progress there..
[16:01:09] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/posemath/ (_posemath.c posemath.h): Minor tweak to the includes to ward off a compile error.
[16:05:26] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/libnml/posemath/ (_posemath.c posemath.h sincos.c): More joining..
[16:24:52] <joe2000chevy> hello
[16:34:49] <les> hi joe
[16:34:55] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (50 files in 5 dirs): One more join..
[16:35:00] <les> back in for a little bit
[16:35:01] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/ (36 files in 3 dirs): One more join..
[16:35:19] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/libnml/ (13 files in 2 dirs): One more join..
[16:35:28] <joe2000chevy> how is everyone.
[16:36:01] <les> oh ok...taking a little time off from work to do yard stuff
[16:36:14] <les> could not do it on the weekend due to weather
[16:36:16] <joe2000chevy> yea i'm back at work now :(
[16:36:56] <joe2000chevy> Finished my newer DIY CNC... so kinda happy now..
[16:36:57] <les> If the weather is bad on the weekend I just work some...then take the weekend time when the weather is good!
[16:37:12] <les> have any pictures?
[16:37:51] <joe2000chevy> http://cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=81608&postcount=70
[16:37:58] <les> looking
[16:38:02] <joe2000chevy> kewl
[16:38:39] <joe2000chevy> anyone do any DIY controllors? I have a guy asking about some links of some.
[16:40:20] <les> looks very nice. Nice and neat.
[16:40:38] <les> I'll bet you don't want to get it dirty with old chips haha
[16:41:06] <joe2000chevy> hahaha, shopvac sitting right next to it.. lol
[16:41:48] <les> I don't know much of DIY controllers...or at least hobby ones sorry
[16:42:02] <joe2000chevy> oh no prob.
[16:42:27] <les> industrial ones yes...but $$$
[16:42:49] <les> We are considering selling a light industrial router.
[16:43:08] <les> But it isn't looking good at the moment
[16:44:01] <les> no control.
[16:44:16] <les> this is looking impressive though:
[16:44:35] <joe2000chevy> you have a link?
[16:44:43] <les> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/
[16:45:00] <les> It uses the EMC interpreter
[16:45:07] <les> low cost too
[16:46:22] <les> board with DSP, driver amps, and software is under $1000
[16:46:41] <joe2000chevy> good for a small buisness.
[16:46:43] <les> hook up motors, switches, etc and go!
[16:46:46] <les> 8 axis
[16:47:17] <les> Yes I am looking at that for the router product idea.
[16:47:36] <les> In quantity is is very very cheap!
[16:49:46] <les> well back to some yard work.
[16:49:53] <joe2000chevy> ok have fun.... lol
[17:56:53] <anonimasu> maiab
[18:04:52] <alex_joni> !owner 6095
[18:05:51] <alex_joni> !commands
[18:07:21] <alex_joni> hey robin
[18:07:24] <anonimasu> hello alex
[18:07:39] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[18:07:54] <alex_joni> got time?
[18:07:59] <alex_joni> or are you at work?
[18:08:24] <anonimasu> stopped working 5 min's ago :)
[18:08:44] <anonimasu> so sure
[18:08:53] <alex_joni> heh.. wanna do some qt?
[18:09:11] <anonimasu> maybe ;)
[18:09:26] <anonimasu> tell me about it
[18:09:50] <alex_joni> was thinking about a hal tool
[18:10:08] <alex_joni> smthg like a logic analyser
[18:11:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:12:22] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as new_guest
[18:12:43] <alex_joni> do you know IO_Show ?
[18:13:18] <anonimasu> no, and I dont know any QT yet :/
[18:13:22] <new_guest> what's the problem?
[18:13:48] <anonimasu> I am feeling a bit tired :)
[18:13:49] <alex_joni> an0n: it's a tcl script that shows some logic levels of the parport
[18:13:54] <new_guest> really?
[18:14:06] <alex_joni> I was thinking about the same thing for HAL stuff
[18:14:15] <anonimasu> ah you mean that thingie..
[18:14:20] <anonimasu> * anonimasu knows what it is
[18:14:26] <alex_joni> have a window with a number of channels (logic pins)
[18:14:34] <alex_joni> and a dropdown with pins on each
[18:14:48] <alex_joni> so you can select the ones you need to see
[18:15:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:15:41] <anonimasu> not too advance
[18:15:41] <anonimasu> d
[18:15:45] <new_guest> what's wrong now?
[18:16:17] <alex_joni> new_guest: shut up
[18:16:21] <new_guest> maybe...
[18:16:27] <alex_joni> really.. not maybe
[18:16:52] <anonimasu> alex_joni: who's this _new_ guest?
[18:16:53] <new_guest> new_guest is now known as roxen
[18:18:28] <alex_joni> I was thinking of going with GTK
[18:18:46] <alex_joni> to keep the same like halmeter & halscope
[18:19:07] <alex_joni> but .. I don't know :(
[18:21:03] <anonimasu> ok
[18:22:27] <anonimasu> cant really help you decide :)
[18:22:55] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:23:33] <anonimasu> roxen: wb
[18:23:51] <robin_sz> oh, bots
[18:23:58] <alex_joni> hey robin
[18:24:02] <robin_sz> hi
[18:24:04] <roxen> wazzup?
[18:24:09] <roxen> :)
[18:24:30] <robin_sz> im still in geneva ..
[18:24:38] <alex_joni> nice weather?
[18:24:42] <robin_sz> today, its wet
[18:24:46] <robin_sz> was great at the w/e
[18:26:06] <alex_joni> w/e?
[18:27:14] <robin_sz> week end
[18:27:50] <alex_joni> eeh.. I see
[18:30:34] <CIA-12> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/ (hal_motenc.c motenc.h): Last set of joins before starting on the /src/emc directories
[18:30:57] <alex_joni> paul_c: around?
[18:31:14] <paul_c> nope
[18:31:18] <roxen> please?
[18:31:19] <alex_joni> heh
[18:35:26] <alex_joni> please what?
[18:36:23] <robin_sz> please yourself
[18:36:35] <robin_sz> actually, I think we have photographs of that
[18:36:45] <alex_joni> not the goat again
[18:36:49] <roxen> please?
[18:36:56] <robin_sz> ahh, no.
[18:37:02] <robin_sz> no not the goat.
[18:37:06] <roxen> what's the problem?
[18:37:07] <alex_joni> :P
[18:37:14] <anonimasu> * anonimasu pokes roxen
[18:37:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hands anonimasu a bigger stick
[18:37:41] <robin_sz> anonimasu: if, after you poked it, its still alive, then you didn;t poke it hard enough :)
[18:37:56] <anonimasu> * anonimasu pokes roxen with the BIGGER stick
[18:37:59] <anonimasu> :/
[18:38:02] <anonimasu> still too small
[18:38:08] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is weak
[18:39:58] <roxen> bugger that
[18:40:18] <paul_c> * paul_c ponders kicking roxen
[18:40:30] <robin_sz> do it. do it now
[18:41:00] <roxen> why me?
[18:41:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hands paul_c a wet kipper
[18:41:50] <robin_sz> just how many bots are on here?
[18:42:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks robin_sz is one
[18:42:13] <robin_sz> fifty_ohm? erDiZz?
[18:42:37] <alex_joni> pc_op ? logger_aj ?
[18:42:53] <roxen> dirrTy
[18:42:56] <robin_sz> at least they are *quiet* bots
[18:43:15] <roxen> shush
[18:51:34] <alex_joni> paul_c: can I ask you smthg?
[18:52:26] <alex_joni> actually a couple of questions
[18:52:33] <alex_joni> 1. about that NML connector class
[18:52:40] <alex_joni> 2. about cvs foo commands
[18:57:21] <paul_c> shoot
[18:57:33] <alex_joni> 1. where should it reside?
[18:57:40] <alex_joni> libnml ?
[18:58:33] <alex_joni> 2. seems jmk forgot some files from the merge to head, was wondering if you can verify the foo to merge them to HEAD
[19:00:14] <paul_c> which files got left out ?
[19:00:24] <alex_joni> scripts/realtime
[19:00:45] <alex_joni> and I want to change emc.run and emc.ini
[19:01:02] <alex_joni> change motmod.o (from emc.ini) to motmod
[19:01:19] <alex_joni> and let emc.run figure out if there's a .o or a .ko module in $RTLIBDIR
[19:11:28] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: Merge the runscript from the kbuild branch in to HEAD.
[19:16:31] <CIA-12> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/scripts/emc.run: added a small change to let emc.run figure out the module extension for EMCMOT
[19:18:09] <CIA-12> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/configs/emc.ini: removed module extension from motmod.o as that is figured out by the run script
[19:20:12] <alex_joni> so.. about that NML connector
[19:20:16] <alex_joni> libnml sounds ok?
[19:20:36] <alex_joni> or emc/nml_intf ?
[19:22:42] <paul_c> libnml/nml/
[19:23:34] <alex_joni> nml_conn.cc ?
[19:27:05] <anonimasu> brb
[19:36:56] <paul_c> Read the CodingStyle before doing anything..
[19:37:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is too tired to do serious coding this evening
[19:37:51] <alex_joni> so I'm only playing around with Gtk
[19:38:44] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (CodingStyle Makefile.inc.in): Fix a small problem with the makefiles introduced after the join from bdi-4
[19:39:02] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Fix a small problem with the makefiles introduced after the join from bdi-4
[19:41:42] <erDiZz> wow, I was considered a bot? sorry then. I'm just a technical spy workin on my own CNC system.. I already told you one time :)
[19:42:25] <alex_joni> heh
[19:42:38] <alex_joni> what CNC system is that?
[19:42:47] <erDiZz> a wire edm one
[19:46:25] <erDiZz> heh.. I've pathced linux-2.6, wrote a Gtk+2 interface and a cool CORBA'ised base:) This summer I'll have an opportunity to work with a real machine, and then I hope I'll show you what I've done. It woths nothing until then, though
[19:46:34] <erDiZz> erDiZz is now known as erDiZz_away
[19:52:43] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/CodingStyle: Small typo correction... Not that it appears anyone reads it anyway...
[19:54:02] <Phydbleep> paul_c: Even though I'm not coding, would it make you feel better if I read it? :)
[19:55:50] <alex_joni> I did read it a few times.. if that eases your pain
[19:56:22] <anonimasu> iab
[19:56:40] <anonimasu> hm, I should probably read it.
[19:56:49] <anonimasu> oh well, old habits are hard to kill
[19:56:50] <anonimasu> ;)
[19:56:55] <anonimasu> void foo()
[19:58:11] <anonimasu> erDiZz_away: if you have any information on the generation of sparks please share ;)
[19:58:27] <anonimasu> err PSU/controller..
[20:09:43] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: I saw some schematics for a high-freq unit for one somewhere.
[20:10:20] <anonimasu> ok
[20:10:21] <anonimasu> nice
[20:12:17] <Phydbleep> http://cscott.net/Projects/FabClass/final/edesign1.html
[20:12:42] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: thanks
[20:15:21] <anonimasu> hm, acutally I have a psu..
[20:15:24] <anonimasu> ;)
[20:15:33] <anonimasu> the welder I power my mill with..
[20:15:41] <les> hi
[20:16:06] <les> oh that control board I mentioned before....
[20:16:16] <les> getting a free eval unit
[20:16:21] <anonimasu> nice
[20:16:35] <Phydbleep> les: Cool! :)
[20:16:46] <les> 90 microsecond servo time for all four axes
[20:17:05] <les> uses emc rs274 interpreter
[20:17:29] <les> does not use the emc planner
[20:17:37] <les> LOW COST
[20:17:50] <les> even has 8 3 amp h-bridges
[20:18:41] <les> has PIDFF/biquad digital filters
[20:20:03] <alex_joni> nice
[20:20:15] <anonimasu> how much is a board?
[20:20:35] <les> $900 quan one
[20:20:45] <anonimasu> hm ok
[20:20:46] <les> Much less in larger quantities
[20:21:01] <les> comparable to motenc let's say
[20:21:45] <les> but has amps, dsp, all the io you need, a c compiler, and a lot of other software.
[20:22:15] <les> It could be a hook up the motor wires and go thing.
[20:22:21] <anonimasu> yep
[20:22:29] <anonimasu> but as long as there's hope for emc I am not buying anything.. :D
[20:23:20] <anonimasu> maybe a g200x/g100..
[20:23:35] <les> Well yeah...but I am thinking of commercial products of course
[20:23:43] <les> before...
[20:23:52] <anonimasu> yeah, I was thinking about your routers..
[20:24:09] <les> emc was free...but the card cost a lot...and the amps....
[20:24:30] <les> this is control software, card, and amps
[20:24:56] <les> closest commercial thing is thousends
[20:25:03] <les> thousands
[20:25:08] <anonimasu> fanuc is good. :D
[20:25:08] <les> this is hundreds
[20:25:17] <anonimasu> just kidding..
[20:25:22] <les> haha
[20:25:39] <les> Well anyway...I am happy.
[20:25:49] <anonimasu> :)
[20:25:54] <les> later
[20:25:58] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep found a Fanuc A-200 for <$4k the other day.
[20:26:21] <anonimasu> well, each axis are $3000 ;)
[20:26:27] <anonimasu> the servos for each axis..
[20:26:30] <anonimasu> just because it's "fanuc"
[20:26:46] <Phydbleep> Thas had the Karel A-200 controller with it.
[20:26:52] <Phydbleep> This
[20:27:11] <anonimasu> I have no idea, but I nearly shit myself when I called fanuc and asked for a quote on a controller..
[20:27:12] <anonimasu> :D
[20:27:56] <Phydbleep> http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17841&czuid=1116879337968
[20:28:41] <Phydbleep> Callifornia USA, Pick up only..
[20:28:47] <anonimasu> ah a whole robot..
[20:28:52] <anonimasu> that's a good price..
[20:28:59] <anonimasu> but I have no idea about the control..
[20:29:04] <anonimasu> I asked about a control for a mill
[20:29:31] <Phydbleep> http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17827&czuid=1116879337953
[20:29:53] <Phydbleep> Karel A-600 $2500
[20:30:09] <anonimasu> still, expensive... :)
[20:30:24] <anonimasu> or maybe not
[20:44:59] <alex_joni> heh... I just trashed my hal ;)
[20:46:31] <alex_joni> forgot to unlock a mutex
[20:46:54] <alex_joni> no other solution but reboot :(
[20:58:45] <anonimasu> :(
[20:59:57] <alex_joni> heh.. it works now
[21:00:09] <alex_joni> I managed to build a lot of combo-boxes
[21:00:14] <alex_joni> to select hal-pins ;)
[21:04:06] <alex_joni> an0n: wanna try this out?
[21:05:28] <anonimasu> alex_joni: another day
[21:06:07] <alex_joni> heh.. maybe I'll get more functionality out of it till then :)
[21:06:12] <anonimasu> I am too tired
[21:06:20] <alex_joni> ditto
[21:13:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:13:43] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:34:07] <joe2000chevy> hello
[21:35:43] <joe2000chevy> hey does EMC2 have a self install? like to try it out if at all possible, But remember I'm the one who knows nothing of Linux... lol
[21:39:50] <paul_c> there isn't a deb package for it....
[22:05:23] <joe2000chevy> shucks
[22:51:01] <daryl> Hmm... When running axis my x-axis loses steps. But when running tkemc, it doesn't.
[22:54:28] <nevyn> daryl: throw hardware at the problem?
[22:54:36] <nevyn> daryl: what speed system?
[22:55:24] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep bets on pci video.
[22:55:32] <daryl> 2GHz
[22:55:45] <daryl> It shouldn't be hardware. ;)
[22:55:48] <Phydbleep> Scratch that idea. :)
[22:55:54] <daryl> Or... at least not the cpu speed.
[22:56:26] <daryl> I'm ssh'ing into the box and tunneling X...
[22:56:41] <daryl> So there is some overhead there.
[22:56:51] <Phydbleep> Lot of overhead..
[22:56:56] <daryl> Hmm... I'll try it again without the ssh stuff.
[22:57:40] <daryl> * daryl needs a kvm switch
[23:00:00] <paul_c> is the computer using shared main memory for video ?
[23:00:36] <daryl> It's not the ssh
[23:00:51] <daryl> paul_c: I don't know. How can I tell?
[23:01:57] <daryl> paul_c: Doesn't seem to make a difference if the display is running through an ssh tunnel to another machine or on that machine. Could it still be a video memory issue?
[23:02:42] <paul_c> does it have a separate graphics card ?
[23:02:54] <daryl> It's on the motherboard.
[23:03:15] <paul_c> and do you know what the chipset is ?
[23:03:48] <daryl> Hmm... looking.
[23:06:06] <daryl> Book says it's an S3 ProSavage8
[23:07:34] <daryl> XFree log shows S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] rev 0, Mem @ 0xe1000000/19, 0xd8000000/27
[23:07:57] <paul_c> miniITX MoBo ?
[23:08:12] <Phydbleep> daryl: In the bios, turn the video memory down to 8 meg, set the AGP apeture to 16 meg, reboot and pray?
[23:08:30] <daryl> "Micro ATX"
[23:08:53] <Phydbleep> daryl: Send me one and I'll figure it out for you. :)
[23:09:37] <daryl> But... would that affect it when running through ssh and displaying on another machine?
[23:12:03] <Phydbleep> Might.. I do a lot via ssh and have found that combo boards can give odd results.
[23:12:45] <Phydbleep> Plus in that instace your video mem is coming off of the system ram.
[23:14:24] <Phydbleep> Unless you're gaming or watching porn on the machine set the video ram to 8 or 16 meg and the AGP apeture to 2X that.
[23:15:10] <daryl> Heh heh... my plans have been foiled.
[23:16:37] <daryl> Currently video bios shadow is disabled. Think I should enable it?
[23:17:49] <Phydbleep> daryl: That could be really bad.. Cross-contaminating EMC with Doom-III or Virtual-Slut could ruin your weekend.. And the next dozen in therapy... :)
[23:18:01] <Phydbleep> Leave it disabled
[23:18:43] <daryl> You mentioned to set the video ram to 8 or 16 meg... I don't see an option anywhere to set that.
[23:18:49] <daryl> The AGP aperature is currently 128MB
[23:19:50] <daryl> What's APIC mode and should I enable or disable it? It's currently enabled.
[23:20:44] <daryl> There's also something called "VGA Share Memory Size"
[23:20:52] <daryl> set to 32MB at the moment
[23:21:24] <Phydbleep> That's it.. Turn it down .
[23:21:56] <daryl> Thoughts on if video ram should be cacheable?
[23:22:07] <Phydbleep> Actually, How far down will the agp ap go?
[23:22:22] <Phydbleep> Disable video caching.
[23:22:50] <daryl> How about system bios caching?
[23:22:56] <Phydbleep> Off.
[23:23:30] <daryl> argh... keeping typing on the wrong keyboard...
[23:23:41] <daryl> Under agp, there are three enable/disable settings:
[23:23:55] <daryl> agp fast write
[23:24:08] <daryl> agp master 1 ws write
[23:24:11] <daryl> agp master 1 ws read
[23:24:25] <daryl> Disable all?
[23:24:39] <daryl> Right now it's enabled, disabled, disabled
[23:24:44] <Phydbleep> enable fast write and disable the other two.
[23:24:49] <Phydbleep> Good.
[23:24:52] <daryl> ok..
[23:25:14] <Phydbleep> What did the mem/agp get set to?
[23:25:16] <daryl> I turned the agp aperature down to 16
[23:25:23] <daryl> and the mem down to 8
[23:26:16] <daryl> Guess I'll reboot now and give it a go.
[23:26:18] <Phydbleep> Cooll.. Save reboot and try that.. you might need to make it 32/64 to make X happy again.
[23:26:41] <Phydbleep> I think 99% of it was the 32/128.
[23:27:27] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has had really ODD results with agp ap != 2X mem.
[23:27:33] <daryl> That would be great if it was... we'll soon find out.
[23:29:57] <daryl> No luck.. still a twitching axis.
[23:30:25] <daryl> The twitches are from groups of really closely spaced steps
[23:30:31] <daryl> (way too closely spaced)
[23:30:35] <Phydbleep> non-ssh?
[23:30:42] <daryl> non ssh
[23:31:05] <Phydbleep> It must be how axis is dealing with that step-group then..
[23:31:20] <daryl> ?
[23:31:30] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep looks at paul_c..
[23:31:58] <Phydbleep> "Oh Great Guru, Bestow thy wisdom upon us!". :)
[23:32:23] <paul_c> * paul_c has had nothing to do with the development of axis
[23:32:31] <daryl> I think it's probably somehow load related. But if that was the case you'd think that running ssh or not would make a difference.
[23:33:11] <Phydbleep> paul_c: Tough? It's your turn in the barrel as "The Great Guru". :)
[23:34:07] <Phydbleep> Plus, I need to reboot this terminal and install a drive... So I'll bbiaf. :)
[23:34:29] <daryl> later... thanks for the attempt. ;)
[23:45:34] <CIA-12> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc: At last a *real* bug fix. As pointed out by KR, there is a typo in convert_stop()