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[00:02:47] <Phydbleep> ROFL... That's why I have the flat belt lathe.. STEAM!
[00:06:55] <rayh> les: You about?
[00:07:05] <les> yes
[00:07:41] <les> back from dinner
[00:07:51] <les> partly...
[00:07:54] <les> cooking
[00:08:35] <rayh> In spiral.c how do we reduce the significant digits to 4 or 5
[00:08:57] <les> did Paul send you the source?
[00:09:24] <les> oops
[00:09:47] <les> wb
[00:09:54] <rayh> darn I keep shutting down the wrong things.
[00:10:09] <les> did paul send you the c source code?
[00:11:02] <rayh> Yes
[00:11:28] <les> well just modify the printf()
[00:11:46] <les> and perhaps throw in the missing %
[00:12:24] <rayh> okay.
[00:12:39] <rayh> What are the units of r?
[00:12:55] <les> you are going to ask me printf() syntax... and I have forgotten haha
[00:13:01] <les> let me look
[00:13:08] <les> I just did the math
[00:14:27] <les> they are inches or mm...depending on G20 etc
[00:15:14] <rayh> why the r 1.061032954
[00:15:42] <les> oh he wanted an integer thing
[00:16:39] <les> for a spiral x= r* theta * cos(theta)
[00:17:00] <les> y= r* theta* cos (theta)
[00:17:16] <les> put whatever you want for r really
[00:17:31] <les> sin theta for y
[00:17:33] <les> sorry
[00:17:51] <rayh> Okay. and INT is for the diff from a straight line.
[00:18:05] <rayh> INC
[00:21:09] <les> well angular distance of a segment is just r* theta in radians
[00:21:30] <rayh> Okay. I got that. Now for a gcc command.
[00:21:30] <les> not angular
[00:21:39] <les> just the chord length
[00:21:44] <rayh> I get errors on sin and cos undefined.
[00:21:50] <les> ?
[00:22:25] <les> he #included math.h
[00:23:32] <rayh> Got it with g++ Gcc wanted to fail.
[00:24:28] <les> Paul wrote the g++ compile command on the blackboard but I cannot read it
[00:24:30] <rayh> and it ran. wow nothing to this c code writing business<g>
[00:24:46] <les> I only knew borland c in dos/windows
[00:25:37] <rayh> That is a lot more than I know.
[00:26:11] <rayh> My last c text was the first edition of K&R and the last compiler was on a tandy 4.
[00:26:13] <les> some user prompts for number of turns, initial point spacing, etc would be in order
[00:26:58] <les> I will do that when I get a round tuit
[00:36:33] <Phydbleep> les: You've got machine tools, make your own. :)
[00:36:42] <les> haha
[00:41:00] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is scared.. 3.5 yo running around the living room looking for batteries for her toy..
[00:41:38] <Phydbleep> And with where they commonly go in a toy I hope she never decides the dog needs batteries..
[00:42:29] <les> don't worry when I had them that age my son put two butter kinves in an electrical outlet to "get the lectricity out"
[00:42:51] <les> he knewe it was good and made things happen and wanted some
[00:43:08] <Phydbleep> Ow. :\
[00:43:29] <les> especially when my wife put those child guard plastic things in
[00:43:50] <les> that just made him know there was something good in there
[00:43:59] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is reminded of the Robin Williams bit "I want you to reach behind the TV and FEEL the power!"
[00:44:20] <les> haha
[00:45:17] <les> He also gave congo the cat a ride in the fertilizer spreader
[00:45:26] <les> there was blood...
[00:45:43] <Phydbleep> Bleah.. Poor kiity.
[00:45:56] <les> yup
[00:46:27] <les> congo is ok... he is right here
[00:46:35] <les> 16 years old
[00:47:19] <Phydbleep> Cool.. I was hoping that was the case, but didn't want to ask and be told otherwise.
[00:47:27] <Phydbleep> :)
[00:47:58] <les> you saw the recent picture of congo and his chicken?
[00:48:04] <Phydbleep> Nope.
[00:48:22] <les> oh I must send you this. Just a sec
[00:48:30] <Phydbleep> Pet chicken or chicken dinner or both?
[00:49:00] <les> you willl see
[00:49:05] <les> hang on
[00:52:42] <les> we actually entered this in a photo contest
[00:53:05] <les> the chicken follows congo around
[00:53:29] <Phydbleep> Cureent pet, potential dinner. :)
[00:53:39] <les> haha
[00:54:29] <les> congo does not like his chicken to get too close...but when he is sleepy the chicken snuggles right up and he does not care
[00:55:16] <Phydbleep> I've got a dog that plays 'catch' with mice.
[00:55:21] <les> Paul spoiled the chicken feeding it and it pecked him when he didn't give it more food
[00:55:55] <les> catch with mice...haha
[00:56:48] <Phydbleep> Couldn't figure out for the longest time what the fsck the dog was going ape about... Tear across the yard, throw something, bark, repeat..
[00:58:03] <Phydbleep> The he would just stop and bark at the ground.. I've been finding mice that looked like they had been slobbered to death and now I know wht. :)
[00:58:11] <Phydbleep> why
[00:58:30] <les> hahaha
[00:58:39] <Jymmm> les how many animals you got on that farm of yours?
[00:59:04] <les> congo, chicken, some donkeys
[00:59:26] <les> I was given some chickens see...
[00:59:48] <les> I made a fancy cad designed chicken cage
[00:59:59] <les> and I am from the city...
[01:00:00] <Jymmm> les donkeys?
[01:00:02] <Phydbleep> Named Lunch, Brunch and Midnight-Snack?
[01:00:21] <les> all but one froze to death the firt winter
[01:00:26] <les> first
[01:00:32] <les> on was left...
[01:00:40] <les> I just let it out
[01:00:56] <les> but chickens are flocking animals
[01:01:07] <les> only one around was congo
[01:01:22] <Phydbleep> And the flocking thing started following the cat.... ROFL! :)
[01:01:27] <les> so now I have a cat with a chicken that follows him everywhere
[01:01:42] <les> it really looks silly
[01:02:25] <Phydbleep> Not as silly as a aussie sheperd pup trying to herd ducks.
[01:02:40] <les> haha
[01:03:13] <Jymmm> and the duck biting back!
[01:04:03] <les> Neighbor has an aussie sheperd
[01:04:23] <les> sometimes sleeps with congo and chicken on that porch
[01:04:31] <Phydbleep> It knew the chickens weren't allowed to get in the pond (because a chicken is stupid enough to drown) and it didn't seem to understand that the ducks are smarter.
[01:05:06] <les> chickens ain't smart...I know that
[01:05:37] <les> but pecked Paul if he didn't feed it more
[01:05:47] <les> he did feed it more
[01:05:49] <Jymmm> lol
[01:05:49] <les> so...
[01:06:03] <Jymmm> Paul is easily trained by a chicken!
[01:06:07] <Phydbleep> Pecking == FOOD!
[01:06:09] <les> hahaha
[01:07:18] <les> I greatly enjoyed this great intellect interfacing with a pea brained chicken
[01:07:43] <les> the chicken likes him really
[01:07:53] <les> started following him around
[01:08:41] <les> heh
[01:09:08] <les> they seemed to be on the same wavelength...
[01:10:38] <les> what does that mean?
[01:28:53] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[02:01:19] <Jymmm> les paul hen pecks?
[02:29:20] <rayh> Well Les, with an INC 0.01 spiral makes about 2k lines of code.
[02:29:34] <rayh> I can run that in about 60 seconds.
[03:58:49] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/scripts/realtime:
[03:58:49] <CIA-4> generalized the code in the realtime script that prevents rtapi from being
[03:58:49] <CIA-4> unloaded if user space modules are still accessing rtapi shared memory (this
[03:58:49] <CIA-4> should actually be done inside the rtapi kernel module, not in the script...)
[04:29:09] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/scripts/realtime: fixed a typo in the previous fix (thanks Chris)
[05:16:21] <CIA-4> 03jmkasunich 07kbuild-0-1 * 10emc2/src/emc/iotask/ioControl.cc: added a call to hal_exit() when ioControl.cc terminates
[06:27:45] <Jymmm> Aloha
[06:34:35] <anonimasu> morning
[06:34:57] <Jymmm> howdy
[06:36:06] <anonimasu> what's up?
[06:36:24] <Jymmm> nada, just working on some drawings.
[06:37:36] <anonimasu> ok
[06:37:40] <anonimasu> I still havent looked at your stuff
[06:37:48] <anonimasu> and I dont have time this morning
[06:37:56] <anonimasu> going to leave in 15 minutes for work
[06:38:17] <Jymmm> well, it's 23:30 here
[06:40:23] <anonimasu> http://totallypolished.com/movies4856/movies/Newmovies/TPNEWMOVIES/millingwheels.htm
[06:41:12] <anonimasu> *jealous*
[06:48:45] <Jymmm> still trying to view it
[06:49:27] <anonimasu> ok
[06:49:35] <anonimasu> I need to leave for work now
[06:49:36] <anonimasu> laters
[06:50:35] <Jymmm> hasta
[06:59:44] <fenn> yeah took me a while to figure out why it couldn't find the codec... codec wasn't there :P
[07:00:34] <Jymmm> kinda a crappy video too.
[07:00:48] <Jymmm> bitrate too hihg, editing sucked, etc
[07:01:25] <fenn> yup
[07:02:06] <fenn> trying to figure out why axis won't run
[07:11:41] <anonimasu> hm, but it's nice anyway :)
[07:15:15] <Jymmm> I wouldn't use THAT video as a representation of the machines speed.
[07:15:37] <anonimasu> Jymmm: well, you will see at what speed a hobby sized mill goes.
[07:15:46] <anonimasu> when you build one..
[07:16:07] <Jymmm> anonimasu Yep, 2000fps
[07:16:47] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I can go fast, but well, dosent matter if you have 5kw too little..
[07:18:02] <fenn> * fenn mutters something about airmotors
[07:18:08] <Jymmm> anonimasu I'm kidding =)
[07:18:18] <Jymmm> anonimasu 10,000FPS
[07:18:27] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I see the datrondynamics as the speed I want..
[07:18:36] <anonimasu> bugt well, I want to push along a 1/2" endmill
[07:18:37] <anonimasu> ;)
[07:18:41] <Jymmm> anonimasu yours for $35,000 USD
[07:18:46] <Jymmm> +S&H
[07:19:38] <anonimasu> I dont want a datrondynamics though
[07:19:48] <anonimasu> I want a mill...
[07:19:51] <fenn> anonimasu look at
http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/leglab/mpeg_vcd/ and watch the first movie
[07:20:35] <fenn> skip about halfway through
[07:21:18] <anonimasu> the "hea" one?
[07:21:25] <fenn> yep
[07:21:27] <anonimasu> ok
[07:21:35] <fenn> it'll get you the speed, i dunno about accuracy :)
[07:22:10] <anonimasu> heh
[07:23:15] <anonimasu> that's as important..
[07:23:18] <anonimasu> but speed's cool :)
[07:30:49] <anonimasu> hm
[07:30:53] <anonimasu> is that controlled positioning
[07:35:50] <Jymmm> Hmmm, variable speed control of a sewing machine via CNC?!
[07:38:26] <fenn> i think it only has two positions
[07:38:49] <Jymmm> what, a sewing machine?
[07:39:03] <fenn> no, the series elastic actuator on that movie
[07:39:18] <Jymmm> oh, didn't look.
[07:40:24] <fenn> oh i thought you were poking fun at me 'cause it just went up and down like a sewing machine
[07:40:45] <fenn> you could use one of those for a mill though now that i think about it
[07:40:48] <fenn> if you had a linear encoder
[07:41:13] <Jymmm> Not at all, I really would like to be able to control the speed of a sewing machien via CNC
[07:41:14] <fenn> start decelerating before your endpoint just like any other motion control
[07:41:29] <fenn> Jymmm, why?
[07:41:35] <anonimasu> hm, are you sure you can position it?
[07:41:46] <fenn> are you sure you can position a servo motor?
[07:42:27] <Jymmm> fenn for simple embrodery
[07:42:31] <anonimasu> fenn: well, since they ran it that way I guess we will never know..
[07:42:38] <fenn> the question is if the actuator valve responds quickly and repeatably enough at that frequency
[07:42:48] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[07:42:53] <fenn> 'nite
[07:43:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu email that back to me when you can please =)
[07:43:48] <anonimasu> jymm: work is more important :/
[07:43:55] <fenn> cheeky bugger :)
[07:44:18] <fenn> is there such thing as an air servo?
[07:44:52] <Phydbleep> fenn: Should be.. I've seen air actuators with an encoder.
[07:45:26] <anonimasu> hm, you can do huydralics with encoders..
[07:45:26] <fenn> is that harder to control than an electric motor? or just not worth the effort
[07:45:41] <anonimasu> I did a project with a plc as driver..
[07:45:57] <Phydbleep> fenn: The air is jumpy.. You're better off with a real hydraulic system.
[07:46:14] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: not really a servo is better.
[07:46:25] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: it puts huge requirements on pressure stability..
[07:46:40] <anonimasu> unless you have a constant pressure system..
[07:46:47] <anonimasu> with load sensing valves...
[07:46:57] <fenn> why is air jumpy?
[07:47:50] <Phydbleep> Air want to hunt when you try to fine position something.
[07:47:55] <Phydbleep> wants
[07:48:35] <anonimasu> hm, same trouble as with huydralics
[07:48:52] <anonimasu> pressure drop and stuff like that..
[07:49:04] <fenn> you're saying the valve won't open and close fast enough to "bump" the actuator over a little?
[07:49:29] <fenn> then it over corrects..
[07:49:37] <anonimasu> yeah, and the friction within the cylinder put's another level to it..
[07:49:54] <fenn> stiction
[07:50:10] <fenn> i'm looking at using "airmuscles" for a lot of stuff
[07:50:14] <Phydbleep> It has more to due with the expansion that goes on in air even after the valve is shut.
[07:50:25] <fenn> it's an air-powered artificial muscle with no stiction
[07:51:56] <fenn> could be fixed with a hybrid airservo/electric servo system
[07:52:16] <fenn> electric servo has different tuning that makes it correct for the airservo running away
[07:52:32] <fenn> * fenn may be babbling
[07:52:33] <anonimasu> friction is greater with air also..
[07:53:17] <fenn> is that a bad thing?
[07:53:26] <anonimasu> yes..
[07:53:41] <anonimasu> since the sticking makes the system over correct..
[07:53:47] <fenn> you're talking about good old drag on the motor right?
[07:54:01] <fenn> oh i guess not
[07:54:04] <anonimasu> nope
[07:54:21] <anonimasu> it's before the seals within the huydralics > turns.. <
[07:54:35] <anonimasu> huydralics/cylinders..
[07:54:46] <anonimasu> if you have airmusles you might ovecome it
[07:54:54] <fenn> hmm the turbine design i'm using doesn't have seals anyway
[07:55:02] <anonimasu> fenn: turbine design?
[07:55:07] <fenn> tesla turbine
[07:55:23] <fenn> uses one labyrinth seal.. no o-rings anywhere in it
[07:55:37] <anonimasu> hm, you are talking about spinning right?
[07:55:39] <fenn> yeah
[07:55:42] <fenn> well, both
[07:55:48] <anonimasu> I am talking about linear motion
[07:55:49] <anonimasu> :)
[07:55:50] <fenn> airmuscles for linear motion, turbine for rotary motion
[07:56:02] <Phydbleep> fenn: Hehehe... i need to get a stack of 9" dia, 1/8" thick stainless disks. :)
[07:56:12] <anonimasu> hm, how much precision air do you have
[07:56:12] <anonimasu> ?
[07:56:23] <anonimasu> how much does your pressure vary if you push it?
[07:56:32] <anonimasu> or when the compressor charges the tank?
[07:56:43] <fenn> what's wrong with using a regulator or two
[07:57:56] <fenn> like putting a voltage reg on your power supply
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> if you have any swing you are f*cked..
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> :)
[07:58:50] <fenn> why?
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> becasue your electronics will compensate for the pressure drop..
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> and when you get full pressure again the system over compensates..
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> there's no way around it except for a extremely stable system..
[07:58:50] <anonimasu> and that's a hard thing in itself :)
[07:58:50] <fenn> bah
[07:59:10] <fenn> if the air system is large enough you won't have any problems
[07:59:23] <fenn> and if your software is written right it won't over correct if the pressure surges
[07:59:38] <fenn> since the response time of an electric motor is so much faster than an air motor
[08:00:16] <fenn> you just put reverse torque on the airmotor shaft
[08:00:48] <fenn> as long as the pressure swing doesn't throw the torque out of the electric motor's torque range
[08:01:06] <anonimasu> well, the app I worked on was on a racing car.. ;)
[08:01:14] <fenn> ah well that's a little different
[08:01:29] <fenn> no 50 gallon air tanks
[08:01:31] <anonimasu> as I said, with a constant pressure system it's not a problem..
[08:01:42] <anonimasu> has a small ackumulator..
[08:02:39] <fenn> dynamic suspension?
[08:04:23] <anonimasu> no
[08:04:30] <anonimasu> positioning of the clutch
[08:04:36] <anonimasu> the guy running the car is handicapped..
[08:04:42] <anonimasu> :)
[08:06:05] <anonimasu> and the voltage is too low to do it with a servo..
[08:08:17] <anonimasu> :)
[08:08:35] <anonimasu> if you have unlimited supply of constant pressure of air/oil, it's less of a problem
[08:12:00] <fenn> hmmm these piezo proportional valves look pretty cool
[08:12:12] <alex_joni> morning guys
[08:12:17] <fenn> morning
[08:12:18] <anonimasu> piezo?
[08:12:48] <fenn> a monolithic piezo-ceramic strip with integrated electrodes that are specially configured so that the element "bends" when a voltage between 20 and 40V is applied
[08:13:00] <anonimasu> hm..
[08:13:07] <anonimasu> never seen thoose in action..
[08:13:15] <anonimasu> just 24v proportional ones...
[08:13:41] <fenn> 100 us response time
[08:13:53] <fenn> i find that one hard to believe
[08:14:03] <anonimasu> the ones I use are about 1000$ each :)
[08:15:04] <fenn> those are current modulated? like, a solenoid is attached to a regulator?
[08:15:20] <fenn> with temperature correction etc etc
[08:15:40] <anonimasu> nope
[08:15:45] <anonimasu> yeah but current modulated..
[08:15:55] <anonimasu> and driven by PWM
[08:16:15] <alex_joni> who's that guy?
[08:16:27] <fenn> * fenn looks around the room.
[08:16:31] <anonimasu> the response speed is great, but is limited by oil viscosity
[08:16:31] <alex_joni> I think I've heard some about him :)
[08:16:31] <fenn> what guy?
[08:16:35] <alex_joni> PWM guy
[08:16:37] <alex_joni> :))
[08:16:49] <fenn> some foreigner i think :)
[08:17:00] <anonimasu> lol
[08:17:03] <alex_joni> sounds like that
[08:17:09] <alex_joni> bet he is a good driver
[08:17:28] <fenn> yeah but he needs a constant air supply or else...
[08:17:41] <alex_joni> heh... dies?
[08:17:47] <fenn> cackle
[08:17:52] <anonimasu> he sufflocates ;)
[08:17:55] <alex_joni> lol
[08:19:13] <anonimasu> alex_joni: How's things goind?
[08:22:32] <anonimasu> alex_joni: seems like things got rolling with toolchanging
[08:22:32] <anonimasu> ;)
[08:22:50] <anonimasu> atleast on the lists
[08:23:08] <alex_joni> heh
[08:23:11] <alex_joni> seen those
[08:23:18] <alex_joni> but.. I'm curious about the outcome
[08:23:25] <anonimasu> yep
[08:23:45] <alex_joni> we shall see
[08:23:52] <anonimasu> hehe
[08:23:56] <anonimasu> probably..
[08:23:59] <alex_joni> tried CL yet?
[08:24:07] <anonimasu> yes, not too much though
[08:24:10] <anonimasu> but it seems capable..
[08:24:16] <alex_joni> even with hal?
[08:24:20] <alex_joni> or on doze ?
[08:24:23] <anonimasu> I am going to try the other plc implementation the other guys talked about
[08:24:25] <anonimasu> on doze..
[08:24:30] <alex_joni> right
[08:24:39] <anonimasu> need to look what's easiest to do complex stuff in..
[08:24:45] <alex_joni> well the other (matplc) is a less complicated
[08:24:49] <alex_joni> not sure it cando RT
[08:24:56] <anonimasu> hm ok
[08:25:05] <alex_joni> cl has some rtai patches (by paul_c in it)
[08:25:11] <alex_joni> cl has some rtai patches (by paul_c) in it
[08:25:40] <anonimasu> yep
[08:25:55] <anonimasu> I'll have a look after work today
[08:25:55] <anonimasu> :)
[08:26:43] <anonimasu> cl looks good
[08:33:09] <fenn> i cut a 3D_chips.ngc today :)
[08:33:35] <alex_joni> fenn: nice
[08:33:39] <fenn> it's all fucked up cause i didn't have a 10 mm ball mill to fit in my dremel tool
[08:33:44] <alex_joni> heh
[08:34:11] <fenn> how would one go about scaling the program down so i can use a 1/8" ball end mill?
[08:34:18] <alex_joni> if you get a nice one, e-mail me a pic
[08:34:37] <alex_joni> well... you need the STL model (or what that was from what the g-code has been generated)
[08:34:57] <alex_joni> and re-CAM it for a 1/8" ball end mill
[08:35:10] <fenn> i was thinking of changing UNITS in the .ini file
[08:35:21] <alex_joni> hmmm...
[08:35:22] <fenn> and having a smaller product
[08:35:37] <alex_joni> don't think it'll work
[08:35:48] <fenn> or maybe input_scale
[08:36:36] <fenn> procrastinating figuring out which CAD or CAM program to use as long as possible
[08:36:55] <alex_joni> heh
[08:42:43] <anonimasu> heh
[08:42:58] <anonimasu> I am wrinting a connection scheme..
[08:43:00] <anonimasu> for 48 pins
[08:54:59] <anonimasu> * anonimasu faints
[08:55:02] <anonimasu> lunchtime
[08:55:38] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is snacking
[08:58:04] <anonimasu> nice
[08:58:26] <alex_joni> yeah .. D:
[08:58:29] <alex_joni> it always is
[08:59:51] <anonimasu> I hate cables.
[09:01:21] <alex_joni> you eating cables?
[09:01:46] <anonimasu> no
[09:01:56] <anonimasu> I'll show you a image of why
[09:01:57] <anonimasu> :)
[09:02:00] <anonimasu> after lunch
[09:02:15] <alex_joni> so .. after you'd eaten them?
[09:03:26] <fenn> yeah yeah eat the cables and blame it on the rats
[09:03:41] <alex_joni> lol
[09:03:44] <alex_joni> or weasels
[09:04:00] <alex_joni> I kinda like cables
[09:04:09] <alex_joni> I hate when people don't use connectors though :)
[09:04:54] <fenn> spent all day yesterday re-vamping this foam cutter.. it was all twisted together wires hanging off everywhere
[09:05:19] <fenn> would have been an extra $5 to add decent connectors and cable ties in the first place
[09:05:28] <fenn> sheesh
[09:06:15] <alex_joni> I had to move an old robot once
[09:06:25] <alex_joni> had about 100+ wires to take apart
[09:06:30] <alex_joni> and mount back later
[09:06:31] <alex_joni> :)
[09:28:50] <fenn> this may seem like a weird question, but how do you decide where 0,0,0 is on your machine?
[09:29:01] <fenn> in "machine coordinates"
[09:29:34] <Phydbleep> It's pretty much whereever you decide it is and punch "ZERO"
[09:30:23] <fenn> well what if you have a tool changer at 1,2,3 and need to remember where it is next time you turn the machine on
[09:30:55] <Phydbleep> At least that's how it should work for relative coordinates.. For absolute positioning you have to add limit switches/encoders.
[09:31:36] <fenn> can you actually get switches that are accurate to .0001?
[09:32:06] <fenn> i saw an optical device on the net that did that
[09:32:15] <fenn> not exactly something you order from enco
[09:33:14] <Phydbleep> fenn: Optics are the way to go for precision, but I still use mechanicals for 'true/end-limit' feedback.
[09:34:10] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is wiring a 'scram circuit' into the main power circuits on the lathe.
[09:34:33] <fenn> scram?
[09:34:47] <fenn> no variable speed?
[09:34:52] <Phydbleep> fast/emergency shutdown.
[09:34:55] <fenn> oh
[09:35:06] <fenn> big red shiny panic button
[09:35:28] <Phydbleep> Cut's power, applies brake, requires a manual reset to clear.
[09:35:36] <fenn> OSHA standards specify it must be big, red, and shiny!
[09:35:51] <Phydbleep> fenn: Don't forget 'candy-like'
[09:36:31] <fenn> one of your arcade game buttons?
[09:36:50] <Phydbleep> For now.. I'll get a bigger one later.
[09:43:24] <anonimasu> iab
[09:43:40] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I didnt go by home to grab the cam went with a workmate to eat
[09:44:57] <anonimasu> fenn: switch + index on the encoders
[09:45:08] <anonimasu> I am curious, could I wire up my index input..
[09:45:19] <anonimasu> and use it for homing, even if I dont have a servocard?
[09:46:31] <fenn> what kind of output does the index use?
[09:46:36] <anonimasu> 5v I think..
[09:46:43] <anonimasu> or no it's 5v..
[09:46:48] <anonimasu> I dont think..
[09:46:51] <fenn> wire it up as a limit switch?
[09:46:57] <anonimasu> nope
[09:46:58] <fenn> er as a home switch
[09:47:06] <anonimasu> wire it up to a outocoupler and use the index for locating home..
[09:47:08] <anonimasu> :)
[09:47:31] <fenn> what's an "outocoupler" do?
[09:47:32] <anonimasu> I was wondering because I think the code is already in emc
[09:47:33] <alex_joni> fenn: you'd want to use both
[09:47:39] <anonimasu> yep
[09:47:45] <anonimasu> the switch for telling where 0 is..
[09:47:57] <anonimasu> and move back to the next index for repeatbility..
[09:48:09] <anonimasu> that way it dosent matter if the switch isnt 0.00001"
[09:48:26] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has an index set in the encoders he is working on..
[09:48:44] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder who I can check with..
[09:50:43] <alex_joni> an0n: the code is in emc1
[09:50:48] <alex_joni> but in emc2 it is a lot better
[09:50:50] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: Maybe paul_c can tell you after the chicken training wears off?
[09:50:52] <alex_joni> morning paul_c
[09:51:08] <Phydbleep> Oh crap. :)
[09:51:16] <Phydbleep> Morning paul_c :)
[09:51:23] <alex_joni> an0n: there's a pdf covering Homing in emc2
[09:51:41] <anonimasu> morning paul
[09:51:42] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep tries to look innocent and fails miserably..
[09:51:45] <anonimasu> does it come with the cvs?
[09:51:49] <anonimasu> or is it at the web somwhere?
[09:52:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu wont touch emc1 with a stick
[09:52:10] <anonimasu> as soon as the mode lock thing gets fixed it'll be great
[09:52:33] <anonimasu> perhaps I should file a bug report..
[09:52:36] <alex_joni> did you file a bug report?
[09:52:36] <anonimasu> later today
[09:52:37] <alex_joni> heh...
[09:52:50] <anonimasu> strange is that it dosent show up in the debug
[09:53:33] <alex_joni> an0n:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_Code_Notes.pdf
[09:54:04] <anonimasu> :)
[09:54:04] <anonimasu> nice
[09:54:14] <anonimasu> I am finally done with my writeup what pins go where..
[09:54:54] <anonimasu> it could be worse..
[09:55:00] <anonimasu> I need to do 2 more boxes like this.
[09:56:13] <anonimasu> oh hillarious..
[09:56:19] <anonimasu> seems like homing will work like I want it to
[09:56:20] <anonimasu> :)
[09:56:40] <alex_joni> should ;)
[09:56:48] <alex_joni> it's pretty configurable
[09:58:03] <anonimasu> now it's just a matter of building a opocoupler board..
[09:59:39] <alex_joni> an0n: now that's hard :D
[10:00:45] <anonimasu> lol
[10:00:57] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:04:14] <anonimasu> very
[10:12:51] <A-L-P-H-A> that meal was very good. :D
[10:13:00] <A-L-P-H-A> just took me 45 minutes to make it!
[10:13:00] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[10:13:58] <alex_joni> and 2 to eat it
[10:13:59] <alex_joni> :)
[10:14:13] <alex_joni> now that's what I call a waste of time
[10:16:55] <anonimasu> I got 1400 error messages
[10:17:15] <anonimasu> somone made a mass mail
[10:17:19] <anonimasu> and the mail bounced..
[10:17:20] <anonimasu> .)
[10:17:23] <anonimasu> *grins*
[10:17:25] <anonimasu> too bad.
[10:17:38] <alex_joni> heh
[10:19:07] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A, need to make a CNC powered cooking machine
[10:19:22] <fenn> with web-based interface
[10:21:21] <alex_joni> use a high power microwave beam
[10:21:29] <fenn> ick
[10:21:32] <alex_joni> and I mean high power
[10:21:40] <alex_joni> not those 2kW you usually find ;)
[10:21:49] <fenn> microwaves are not suited to cooking edible food
[10:21:51] <anonimasu> thoose X-BAND transmitters..
[10:21:58] <anonimasu> that the millitary uses ;)
[10:22:12] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, I got something whacked... my email was forged to *@edgecam.com
[10:22:20] <A-L-P-H-A> so much fun.
[10:22:25] <A-L-P-H-A> and it was sent in German too!
[10:23:02] <A-L-P-H-A> microwaves with the proper cooking assessory, makes good bacon.
[10:23:29] <A-L-P-H-A> it holds them upright, and allows the fat to drain down.
[10:23:42] <fenn> * fenn shudders
[10:23:52] <A-L-P-H-A> you're not eating the fat.
[10:23:57] <A-L-P-H-A> just the crispy bacon.
[10:24:04] <fenn> no, i'm not eating the bacon either!
[10:24:13] <A-L-P-H-A> you're loss.
[10:24:22] <fenn> we'll see who lives longer
[10:24:35] <A-L-P-H-A> moderation... all in moderation
[10:25:17] <alex_joni> fenn: who wants to live forever?
[10:25:28] <fenn> alex_joni, me :)
[10:25:39] <alex_joni> just make a difference, then let something (somebody) put us out of this misery ;)
[10:26:17] <fenn> my colon will be a pristine specimen when they dissect me for medical studies
[10:26:36] <fenn> i'll be framed on the wall, plasticized for all eternity
[10:26:43] <alex_joni> I assume there are no cellulars around you?
[10:26:54] <alex_joni> not cellphones, but BTS'es?
[10:26:55] <fenn> i live in a basement
[10:27:02] <alex_joni> fenn: not good enough
[10:27:07] <fenn> what's a bts?
[10:27:16] <fenn> base transmitting station?
[10:28:01] <alex_joni> yup
[10:28:06] <alex_joni> the core of a cell
[10:28:13] <fenn> the heart of darkness
[10:28:14] <alex_joni> it's where cell phones register to
[10:28:31] <fenn> it's where packets go when they die
[10:28:45] <alex_joni> a few BTS'es are connected to a BSC iirc
[10:28:51] <alex_joni> and a few BSC to a MSC
[10:29:02] <alex_joni> which is connected to a VLR
[10:29:14] <alex_joni> and there's the HLR where you'r info is stored
[10:29:23] <alex_joni> like where you are now (on what VLR)
[10:29:40] <alex_joni> VLR=Visiting Location Register
[10:29:45] <alex_joni> HLR=Home Location Register
[10:30:01] <alex_joni> but.. it's been a while since I studied those...and never used it since ;)
[10:30:01] <fenn> so glad i don't have a cell phone
[10:30:13] <alex_joni> it's pretty much very nice technology
[10:30:23] <alex_joni> at least the network infrastructure is great
[10:30:32] <alex_joni> Roaming and such
[10:30:37] <fenn> if you ignore the omnipresent evil pervading any interaction with it
[10:30:46] <fenn> "pay up or die"
[10:31:07] <fenn> but yeah the network is nice
[10:32:34] <alex_joni> I really like how roaming is handled
[10:32:47] <alex_joni> and switch-over
[10:33:01] <alex_joni> you can go from cell to cell during the same call
[10:33:02] <fenn> how's that?
[10:33:15] <alex_joni> even to a new operator (like in a different country)
[10:33:27] <alex_joni> and you won't notice
[10:33:41] <alex_joni> hand-over it's called (I just remembered)
[10:33:41] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Until you get the bill. :)
[10:33:53] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: well.. you'll notice that
[10:33:55] <alex_joni> ;)
[10:34:03] <alex_joni> but like I said .. I like the technology
[10:34:16] <Phydbleep> Crap.. This summer is going to suck...
[10:34:40] <anonimasu> lol
[10:34:53] <Phydbleep> 65F outsidde @ 4am and it's over 80F in here from all the computers..
[10:34:59] <anonimasu> it's 5c outside
[10:35:10] <fenn> i'm going to ride my motorcycle all through vermont this summer
[10:35:24] <alex_joni> we have 24C right now
[10:35:26] <alex_joni> outside
[10:35:37] <alex_joni> and it'll get to 27C later
[10:37:26] <Phydbleep> 18C outside here.. And it's 04:35.. It's supposed to get to 26C this afternoon.. July/August are really going to suck... :\
[10:37:45] <alex_joni> I agree
[10:37:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni can't wait to run to the mountains
[10:38:18] <Phydbleep> Teps will swing from 20C to 50C.. :(
[10:38:23] <Phydbleep> temps
[10:38:51] <fenn> i am shivering right now actually
[10:39:02] <fenn> i need an electric mouse pad
[10:39:09] <fenn> mouse pad warmer
[10:39:20] <Phydbleep> fenn: PDP-11's make wonderfull heaters. :)
[10:39:58] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: only a pita when you need to move them around
[10:40:09] <alex_joni> fenn: get a laptop
[10:40:21] <alex_joni> with a nice 3GHz desktop processor
[10:40:25] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: That's just a crotch-warmer. :)
[10:40:29] <alex_joni> heat output to the right
[10:40:35] <alex_joni> it'll cook your hand
[10:40:41] <alex_joni> if you use an external mouse ;)
[10:40:49] <fenn> i said "warmer" not cooker! :)
[10:40:59] <alex_joni> well... get a longer arm
[10:41:06] <alex_joni> then it'll be only warmer
[10:41:16] <CIA-4> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/ (20 files in 5 dirs): Small change to the way iosh connects to usrmotintf.
[10:41:24] <fenn> bah i'm lazy i'll just wait until it gets warm out
[10:41:28] <alex_joni> lol
[10:41:58] <Phydbleep> fenn: 100W light bulb in a 4"x4' piece of ductwork painted flat-black. :)
[10:42:16] <fenn> heh i was thinking more like a heating pad from goodwill
[10:42:42] <Phydbleep> fenn: Hang it in a corner.. You get light and heat. :)
[10:43:02] <fenn> grow some weed.. you get light and heat and weed
[10:43:25] <Phydbleep> And short term memory something. :)
[10:43:52] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: there was something.. but I forgot
[10:43:55] <alex_joni> what was it again?
[10:44:10] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep can't remember either.
[10:46:46] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[10:47:37] <Phydbleep> Woohoo! I should have the shop cleaned up enough to take some pictures out there tomorrow.
[10:48:18] <alex_joni> see.. you remembered
[10:48:23] <alex_joni> time for more weed
[10:48:41] <anonimasu> weed?
[10:48:42] <anonimasu> heh
[10:48:46] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Nope, that was unrelated to what i forgot.
[10:48:50] <alex_joni> ahh
[10:48:52] <alex_joni> right ;)
[10:49:27] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: The shop cleanup that is.
[10:51:23] <fenn> i was trying to set my machine coords to zero (testing max speeds on steppers= lots of lost steps = out of range errors) so i typed rm emc.var * to get rid of the stored coordinates
[10:51:42] <fenn> only problem was the space between emc.var and the *
[10:51:47] <alex_joni> Fido: make sure you don't forget about the cleanup
[10:51:49] <Phydbleep> Ouch. :)
[10:52:08] <alex_joni> fenn: lol
[10:52:20] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: I was just trying to forget that. :D
[10:52:27] <fenn> luckily i had my .ini file open in an editor
[10:52:35] <alex_joni> * alex_joni shall remind you
[10:52:44] <fenn> so i ended up reinstalling emc
[10:52:48] <alex_joni> I'll put it in cron
[10:52:55] <fenn> heh
[10:53:00] <alex_joni> fenn: what emc / what distro ?
[10:53:05] <fenn> bdi 4.20
[10:53:11] <alex_joni> right
[10:53:15] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is installing Cygwin on the shop machine.
[10:53:21] <alex_joni> you'll only need to checkout it from CVS
[10:53:42] <fenn> i used dpkg to reinstall from the cd since the network cable doesn't reach tothe computer
[10:53:54] <alex_joni> ahh.. right
[10:54:09] <fenn> it didn't reinstall right though.. tkemc is gone
[10:54:23] <alex_joni> try uninstalling it first
[10:54:24] <fenn> well the files in /usr/local/emc are gone
[10:54:27] <alex_joni> then install it
[10:54:31] <fenn> i may do that
[10:54:56] <fenn> i like the blue background
[10:55:11] <paul_c> apt-get install --reinstall emc
[10:55:22] <fenn> apt didn't like using the cdrom
[10:55:32] <fenn> i did apt-cdrom add /mnt too
[10:55:43] <fenn> * fenn shrugs
[10:56:05] <paul_c> apt-cdrom add /cdrom
[10:56:19] <fenn> it was mounted on /mnt though
[10:56:23] <paul_c> Debian doesn't use /mnt to hang the drives off.
[10:56:43] <fenn> bdi is the first debian distro i've used
[10:57:25] <fenn> oh well
[10:57:46] <fenn> sun's up.. time for bed :)
[10:57:46] <paul_c> There's a few differences between Debian and the RPM based distros
[10:59:01] <fenn> btw why is everything under dist/cl/ ?
[10:59:34] <fenn> i thought cl meant classicladder
[10:59:43] <fenn> can't think of any other acronyms
[11:07:43] <A-L-P-H-A> almost finished writing my gcode by hand.
[11:07:47] <A-L-P-H-A> wow. is it a pain. hahaha
[11:10:42] <anonimasu> :)
[11:10:59] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: didnt you say that using mastercam was a bit too much
[11:14:22] <paul_c> alex_joni: skype ?
[11:14:43] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, mastercam was fck'n up a little too much.
[11:14:49] <anonimasu> heh
[11:15:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess it'd be good, if I had a complex image to mill out. but not for a geometric part.
[11:16:34] <anonimasu> :)
[11:16:43] <anonimasu> depends on how you do your part I guess..
[11:17:04] <alex_joni> paul_c: is that possible in about 1.5h ?
[11:17:12] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, remember that bracket thing i was making?
[11:17:13] <alex_joni> pretty busy at work right now
[11:17:45] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: yes
[11:17:56] <paul_c> alex_joni: just wanna check the thing works..
[11:18:13] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, that... that can be written by hand. I was hoping that mastercam could do it for me easily. But not realy. close. but not exactly.
[11:18:29] <alex_joni> ok. well then sure
[11:19:01] <alex_joni> paul_c: alex_joni
[11:19:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[11:20:15] <paul_c> gah... No sound
[11:21:47] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: well, mastercam outputs better code then you ever could.. most likely
[11:21:47] <anonimasu> :)
[11:22:09] <anonimasu> if you can use it
[11:25:08] <alex_joni> http://www.flamingo.ro/produs.asp?id=6139
[11:25:16] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, well... it's helixcal code isn't as good as mine.
[11:25:31] <A-L-P-H-A> it doesn't use helical G02/03. But I do.
[11:25:39] <A-L-P-H-A> unless, it's something wrong with my post processor.
[11:25:45] <anonimasu> hm, most likely your post..
[11:25:45] <anonimasu> :)
[11:26:36] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I setup a new mastercam post?
[11:26:57] <anonimasu> look at one pre-written..
[11:27:21] <anonimasu> take the tcnc one
[11:27:53] <A-L-P-H-A> just looked at it.
[11:27:56] <A-L-P-H-A> helix_arc:2
[11:27:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I think.
[11:28:48] <anonimasu> hm maybe
[11:28:55] <anonimasu> dont have time to check now
[11:30:33] <A-L-P-H-A> hey! it worked.
[11:30:34] <A-L-P-H-A> sweet.
[11:30:59] <anonimasu> heh
[11:31:06] <anonimasu> if it works good mail me it :)
[11:31:13] <anonimasu> I dont like visualmill
[11:31:26] <anonimasu> it's buggy
[11:35:33] <anonimasu> hm
[11:35:37] <anonimasu> my code compiles..
[11:35:53] <alex_joni> that means smthg is fishy an0n
[11:36:01] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah got some parts left to do..
[11:36:06] <anonimasu> :)
[11:36:23] <anonimasu> going to go out into the shop to check out if I can test the pulse counting
[11:36:24] <alex_joni> probably #ifdef'ed everything
[11:36:41] <anonimasu> #pragma IGNORE_EVERYTHING
[11:36:42] <anonimasu> ;)
[11:36:48] <alex_joni> lol
[11:36:50] <alex_joni> yeah
[11:36:56] <alex_joni> what's a .Z extension?
[11:36:59] <alex_joni> tar.Z
[11:39:30] <alex_joni> found it .. it's compress ;)
[11:47:56] <anonimasu> heh
[11:48:17] <anonimasu> file thing.z
[11:49:36] <anonimasu> unix Z compression utililities..
[11:49:58] <anonimasu> ;)
[11:50:07] <alex_joni> who the fsck uses that anymore ;)
[11:50:13] <anonimasu> hm, I cant test this unless I mill the sensor mount..
[11:50:22] <anonimasu> more machining
[11:50:27] <alex_joni> mill the sensor
[11:50:33] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:50:37] <anonimasu> this is neverending..
[11:50:42] <alex_joni> reminds me of a funny story
[11:50:47] <alex_joni> went to a customer to repair a machine
[11:50:55] <alex_joni> had some big transistors blew up
[11:51:02] <alex_joni> and the machinist guy comes along:
[11:51:39] <anonimasu> ok
[11:51:40] <anonimasu> :)
[11:52:21] <alex_joni> "I could mill some of those in about 20 mins"
[11:52:35] <anonimasu> lol
[11:52:48] <alex_joni> he said it's not that hard
[11:52:52] <anonimasu> ^_^
[11:53:08] <alex_joni> they do have a notch at the upper end, but beside that it's pretty easy :D
[11:54:07] <anonimasu> hm, I cant wait for the big mill to arrive at work.. so I can hog more alu at once..
[11:54:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is getting a nice webcam
[11:55:34] <anonimasu> neat
[11:55:41] <anonimasu> http://www.masak.se/beg/stora_bilder/Abene150_big.html
[11:55:57] <anonimasu> that one :)
[11:56:18] <alex_joni> heh.. keep the buttons
[11:56:22] <alex_joni> and connect them to emc
[11:56:58] <anonimasu> as long as emc dosent have any online programming it wont happen..
[11:57:17] <anonimasu> I am the only one here that understands gcode :)
[11:59:47] <anonimasu> so it's a bit troublesome
[12:12:06] <alex_joni> an0n: certainly for such an experienced programmer as you are, that won't be hard to add
[12:12:23] <alex_joni> *g*
[12:13:43] <alex_joni> I think...
[12:13:50] <alex_joni> you might not be up to it..
[12:14:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if an0n could prove him wrong
[12:14:01] <alex_joni> :D
[12:14:42] <alex_joni> LOLOLOL
[12:15:08] <alex_joni> I'm reading about 2k 4k 20k and 45k issues
[12:15:23] <alex_joni> Y2K Y4K Y20K Y45K that is
[12:16:53] <anonimasu> alex_joni: heh, I can prove you wrong..
[12:16:56] <anonimasu> alex_joni: but at what time?
[12:17:05] <alex_joni> how about this year?
[12:17:29] <anonimasu> someday yeah
[12:17:37] <alex_joni> one sunny day ;)
[12:17:45] <alex_joni> how's the winter up there?
[12:17:49] <anonimasu> it's summer :)
[12:17:55] <anonimasu> summer/winder somthing like it
[12:17:57] <alex_joni> well.. not now
[12:18:04] <alex_joni> when it'll be winter
[12:18:07] <anonimasu> as far as I am concerned it can rain fire..
[12:18:17] <alex_joni> I always thought northern people have a lot of time during winters
[12:18:22] <anonimasu> dosent matter, working too much :)
[12:18:31] <alex_joni> looong days to work
[12:18:33] <alex_joni> ;)
[12:18:35] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:18:40] <alex_joni> might not be the case in sweden
[12:18:42] <anonimasu> the machine is going to be running on friday
[12:18:53] <anonimasu> and I am finishing the program for it..
[12:18:54] <alex_joni> you still got day/nights there in winter?
[12:18:58] <anonimasu> yes..
[12:19:01] <alex_joni> ok then...
[12:19:06] <alex_joni> more to the north then ;)
[12:19:10] <alex_joni> like finland
[12:19:16] <alex_joni> norway
[12:19:19] <anonimasu> although on some days the sun dosent come up..
[12:19:22] <alex_joni> heh
[12:19:30] <alex_joni> he might have holidays too :=
[12:19:31] <alex_joni> :)
[12:19:57] <anonimasu> it's a 3 hour drive to the finnish border from here
[12:20:09] <alex_joni> nice
[12:20:15] <anonimasu> :)
[12:20:18] <alex_joni> I guess landscape's great there
[12:20:28] <alex_joni> got some pics from around?
[12:20:29] <anonimasu> norway has nicer landscaped..
[12:20:33] <anonimasu> nope
[12:20:45] <anonimasu> :/
[12:20:47] <alex_joni> gotta take some ;)
[12:20:51] <alex_joni> some day ;)
[12:20:56] <anonimasu> heh
[12:21:24] <anonimasu> I started coding on somthing yesterday for online programming, but I need to play around a bit with QT, to make a ui..
[12:21:37] <alex_joni> well.. guess you should get your arse back to work then ;)
[12:21:44] <alex_joni> I know I have to :)
[12:21:47] <anonimasu> running on 2 monitors ;)
[12:21:50] <anonimasu> so I can irc all I want..
[12:22:02] <alex_joni> lol
[12:22:08] <anonimasu> the other people are welding the mounts to the machine now..
[12:22:19] <anonimasu> and mounting huydralics..
[12:22:34] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone ever thought aobut a RC car motor for a highspeed motor?
[12:22:40] <A-L-P-H-A> for a highspeed spindle that is.
[12:22:52] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I thought torque was important
[12:23:07] <anonimasu> alex_joni: after this I need to get home to mill sensor mounts..
[12:23:10] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, not at 10K+ rpm. and endmills that are like 1/32.
[12:23:30] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, think of how much torque these things have to push... those RC cars aren't light.
[12:24:12] <anonimasu> hm, maybe
[12:24:18] <anonimasu> les had some link to somthing nice
[12:24:33] <anonimasu> 1000w electric motors..
[12:24:39] <anonimasu> for rc copters
[12:24:46] <A-L-P-H-A> who.
[12:24:49] <A-L-P-H-A> wow.
[12:24:55] <alex_joni> how about some 1-2kW AC motors?
[12:25:00] <A-L-P-H-A> 1kw eletric motor...
[12:25:00] <anonimasu> hehe :)
[12:25:04] <anonimasu> i wouldnt mind that
[12:25:07] <alex_joni> heh
[12:25:08] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, like what rpm though.
[12:25:12] <anonimasu> 65000
[12:25:15] <alex_joni> lemme check
[12:25:19] <A-L-P-H-A> shit. NICE!
[12:25:26] <anonimasu> just kidding
[12:25:41] <anonimasu> 10e54 ;)
[12:26:04] <A-L-P-H-A> wtf is 10e54?
[12:26:05] <alex_joni> only about 4-5k
[12:26:15] <alex_joni> 10 ^54
[12:26:28] <anonimasu> www.neumotors.com
[12:26:29] <alex_joni> I have a nice small one here (90W, 3500 RPM)
[12:27:42] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... 32k rpm motor, ~$50 CDN. + 15% tax.
[12:28:19] <anonimasu> hm, I want 1/2 at 16000k rpm
[12:28:27] <anonimasu> although that us kind of expensive.. :)
[12:28:43] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, type again.
[12:29:01] <anonimasu> 1/2"
[12:29:08] <anonimasu> err that is
[12:29:16] <A-L-P-H-A> wow. these motors are scary.
[12:29:22] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[12:29:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I want exactly that. 1/2" ~15k rpm.
[12:29:58] <anonimasu> you can cut some metal with that..
[12:30:13] <A-L-P-H-A> well. the spindle shaft is 1/2".
[12:30:16] <A-L-P-H-A> the endmill is 1/32.
[12:30:19] <A-L-P-H-A> I want to use it to engrave.
[12:30:26] <anonimasu> hm, it's still not the same :)
[12:30:50] <anonimasu> well, gtg for a bit
[12:32:04] <A-L-P-H-A> hobby store opens in 1.5hrs.
[12:32:05] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[13:05:53] <A-L-P-H-A> 1hr left.
[13:09:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[13:09:54] <alex_joni> laters
[13:17:01] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, works. want it? the post processor.
[13:18:29] <anonimasu> sure
[13:19:12] <anonimasu> hm..
[13:19:17] <anonimasu> the plc discussion is going forward
[13:19:43] <A-L-P-H-A> dcc not going through?
[13:20:09] <anonimasu> ah no I am at work..
[13:20:11] <anonimasu> mail it instead
[13:20:39] <A-L-P-H-A> email?
[13:22:51] <anonimasu> :)
[13:48:59] <A-L-P-H-A> you are anders right?
[14:02:26] <anonimasu> yes
[14:13:29] <A-L-P-H-A> you got my email then?
[14:13:47] <anonimasu> I dont know yet
[14:13:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
[14:14:10] <anonimasu> yes
[14:14:11] <anonimasu> :)
[14:14:17] <anonimasu> thanks
[14:14:29] <A-L-P-H-A> np
[14:15:08] <A-L-P-H-A> originally it was for TurboCNC 3.0x. I made it be valid for TCNC4.01. (cause it can now do helical G2/3
[14:15:09] <A-L-P-H-A> )
[14:17:35] <anonimasu> hm is it emc compatible?
[14:17:44] <anonimasu> or well no
[14:17:51] <anonimasu> you need to remove some M stuff...
[14:18:05] <anonimasu> :)
[14:18:08] <anonimasu> *remembers*
[14:31:21] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[14:31:26] <anonimasu> maybe I should go home now..
[14:42:50] <A-L-P-H-A> ARGH!
[14:42:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I hate mastercam!
[14:43:04] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck'n nearly destroyed my vise.
[14:43:30] <A-L-P-H-A> sure... I'll make a GIANT gouge into the material, going 30ipm, half in deep, into your part.
[14:43:31] <A-L-P-H-A> GREAT!
[14:43:40] <A-L-P-H-A> mofo mastercam.
[15:12:26] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: perhaps you should tweak the settings
[15:12:33] <anonimasu> :)
[15:15:23] <anonimasu> 5*ducks*
[15:17:38] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, perhaps I should actually test the code in the simulator
[15:17:39] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[15:17:53] <A-L-P-H-A> time to check the freak'n mail.
[15:18:23] <anonimasu> heh
[15:19:21] <anonimasu> not verifying it is stupid..
[15:19:21] <anonimasu> ;)
[15:21:14] <anonimasu> I'll re-write your post to match emc :)
[15:21:15] <A-L-P-H-A> verified fine in mastercam. just not in reality
[15:21:28] <anonimasu> hm, how come?
[15:21:56] <anonimasu> btw turbocnc has issues.. that's why I stopped running it..
[15:22:25] <anonimasu> it's not mastercam.. I am sure of it.. there's some masty bug with helical interpolation I cant remember but it fucked up lots of aprts for me
[15:23:25] <anonimasu> :)
[15:23:30] <anonimasu> aprts/parts
[15:29:33] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, it was.
[15:29:49] <A-L-P-H-A> but anyways... I think it was my fault that caused mastercam to fault.
[15:29:58] <anonimasu> ok
[15:30:00] <anonimasu> :/
[15:30:18] <A-L-P-H-A> enought sitting here, doing dink. time to go to the suppliers and crap.
[15:30:22] <A-L-P-H-A> argh.
[15:30:23] <A-L-P-H-A> :/
[15:30:46] <anonimasu> :(
[15:31:22] <A-L-P-H-A> need stock, need tons of bunch of cheap chinese squares, and a RC motor.
[15:31:23] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[15:31:32] <A-L-P-H-A> tomorrow's it's retaining rings, and bearings.
[15:31:33] <anonimasu> hehe
[15:31:37] <anonimasu> yep
[15:31:40] <A-L-P-H-A> bbl.
[17:21:05] <les> hi Jymmm
[17:21:15] <Jymmm> howdy les
[17:21:18] <les> you want to make the cheap router right?
[17:21:32] <Jymmm> well my cheap, not your cheap =)
[17:22:13] <les> Read my Cad_Cam post...as soon as it appears (in a min or two)
[17:22:34] <Jymmm> les uh oh, what did you do les?!?!?!
[17:23:01] <les> About using treadmill motors. That's your kind of cheap....
[17:23:39] <les> $29...
[17:24:33] <Jymmm> reading now....
[17:27:52] <Jymmm> les : Actually, it seems more like the linear motion is the costly part, and the electronics are just par for the course.
[17:28:06] <les> depends
[17:28:24] <les> the servos I use cost $1800 each new
[17:28:40] <Jymmm> on a bport, right?
[17:28:56] <les> yes they are made for that...and routers
[17:29:30] <Jymmm> les well this one is out of MDF atm =) Not a whole lot of rigidity there (yet)
[17:30:51] <les> but...$29 motor + $40 encoder gives .25g and almost ridiculous speed
[17:31:11] <Jymmm> les what to use as a driver?
[17:31:14] <les> only 20v supply for 240 ipm
[17:32:23] <rayh> Hi Les Got a report on running spiral on some "big iron."
[17:36:33] <Jymmm> les : I'm considering this -->
http://www.xylotex.com/3AxSysKit.htm
[18:10:30] <anonimasu> iab
[18:10:41] <Jymmm> iaf
[18:11:22] <anonimasu> rayh: how did it work out?
[18:11:57] <rayh> It was a 450 meg pc so we are not dealing in high processing power.
[18:12:06] <rayh> 30 ipm was completely clean
[18:12:22] <Jymmm> and 60ipm ?
[18:12:26] <rayh> 60 ipm was good.
[18:12:32] <Jymmm> cool
[18:12:36] <rayh> 180 ipm was rotten
[18:12:40] <Jymmm> heh
[18:12:44] <anonimasu> 1.5m/min..
[18:12:56] <anonimasu> pretty slow..
[18:13:03] <rayh> Would characterize that as shudder or whatever.
[18:13:14] <Jymmm> jaggies?
[18:13:22] <anonimasu> I could probably test the program at that speed..
[18:13:26] <rayh> Still trying to find a good fast proc and see how it acts that way.
[18:13:39] <anonimasu> rayh: I can borrow a 3.2 off work, perhaps..
[18:13:49] <anonimasu> and run my machine on..
[18:13:56] <anonimasu> although I dont have a stg/vital
[18:13:57] <rayh> Can you hook that to your machine?
[18:14:03] <anonimasu> but it should show up shouldnt it?
[18:14:14] <rayh> You driving steppers?
[18:14:21] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:14:26] <anonimasu> step-servos
[18:14:39] <rayh> Rutex or Gecko?
[18:14:44] <anonimasu> I've been holding with a purchase of a motenc/stg until everything works..
[18:14:45] <anonimasu> gecko
[18:14:48] <anonimasu> g340's
[18:15:10] <rayh> Okay. I've got the stepper drivers working here on 2.2 athalon.
[18:15:25] <anonimasu> dosent it show up on steppers?
[18:15:40] <rayh> I see the slowdown as the tiny lines come by but no stutter or loss of continuity.
[18:15:48] <anonimasu> I wish I could try SQ on emc2
[18:15:52] <anonimasu> ;)
[18:15:55] <anonimasu> since it's to much smoother..
[18:16:17] <anonimasu> but well, you cant get everything
[18:16:20] <anonimasu> :)
[18:16:40] <rayh> Don't I know.
[18:16:57] <anonimasu> dosent matter too much though
[18:17:25] <rayh> I might just build a 1.2 celeron box here and ship to les.
[18:17:30] <anonimasu> I find it strange that emc2 is 90% faster..
[18:18:04] <rayh> I don't know that you will see that much increase across the board
[18:18:18] <rayh> when 2 has to do as much work as emc now.
[18:19:13] <anonimasu> hm..
[18:19:32] <anonimasu> I like when it responds to key input immedatly, like when stopping the machine..
[18:19:47] <rayh> It will be interesting to see how wel it is able to handle bridgeport. I'm getting anxious to see.
[18:20:13] <rayh> I want to switch as soon as we prove it can handle the task.
[18:20:23] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:20:58] <anonimasu> emc2 seems more maintainable.. atleast what I've seen codewise of it
[18:21:13] <rayh> Yes it is much cleaner.
[18:23:04] <anonimasu> hm, it seems like the plc discussion has taken off pretty much at the list
[18:24:09] <anonimasu> very nice
[18:24:13] <rayh> Some good stuff there. Hope it keeps up.
[18:24:52] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:25:02] <anonimasu> I love the talk about the "siemens" type control..
[18:25:15] <anonimasu> or well, style
[18:25:22] <rayh> brb phone
[18:25:27] <anonimasu> ok
[18:25:51] <rayh> I may well not win on classicladder or similar
[18:26:09] <rayh> but there should be a number of ways we can handle this.
[18:26:13] <anonimasu> yep
[18:26:23] <anonimasu> as long as it's fairly easy to manipulate..
[18:27:04] <rayh> and constrained to add some safety and reliability
[18:27:16] <anonimasu> that's the most important part
[18:27:26] <anonimasu> I hope motion and nc gets separated though..
[18:28:45] <anonimasu> or well, plc and motion..
[18:28:47] <rayh> A cleaner break between the two would be very good.
[18:28:50] <anonimasu> aux.. so to speak..
[18:29:11] <anonimasu> plcs pushing along toolchanges, and being able to move the machine makes for nasty accidents..
[18:29:24] <rayh> Much of the discussion during devfest was about control within the system.
[18:29:45] <rayh> The NIST model is that the task controller is in charge of everything.
[18:29:48] <anonimasu> plc fails, injects a > G00 x240 y240 during a cut inside a piece..
[18:29:55] <anonimasu> err pocket op..
[18:30:12] <rayh> HMI and interp feed to the task stack
[18:30:17] <anonimasu> with a high powered machine, it's deadly..
[18:30:25] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:30:57] <anonimasu> hmi ?
[18:34:11] <rayh> human machine interface or gui
[18:34:27] <rayh> another phone brb
[18:34:42] <anonimasu> ah ok
[18:37:03] <rayh> In my opinion, the task controller is central to it all.
[18:37:26] <rayh> the gui and interp send it messages or place things on it's stack
[18:37:33] <rayh> but it decides what and when.
[18:37:56] <anonimasu> yep
[18:38:02] <anonimasu> that makes most sense..
[18:38:05] <rayh> Now that means that much of machine logic has to reside there.
[18:38:45] <rayh> While at devfest we worked up a drawing that showed machine logic
[18:38:56] <rayh> working at several different places.
[18:39:22] <rayh> Some like limits, homes, and probe had to work at servo time and in sync with motion
[18:40:12] <rayh> Stuff like tool change had very loose timing as long as motion was controlled while the tool change was in progress.
[18:40:44] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:40:48] <anonimasu> certainly not optimal
[18:40:58] <rayh> And clear up at the other end, next to the interpreter was the cannonical
[18:41:13] <rayh> stuff. Do this before this cannonical command and this after.
[18:41:35] <rayh> or don't do a canonical if these conditions are not met.
[18:42:01] <rayh> Those are hard coded in now but are just as much a machine logic issue as are
[18:42:10] <rayh> limits and homes and such.
[18:42:14] <anonimasu> yep
[18:42:36] <rayh> Someone at fest suggested reading tables and making logic a part of tables.
[18:42:48] <anonimasu> hm
[18:42:56] <anonimasu> that sounds and would probably be pretty slow
[18:43:20] <rayh> the actions associated with estop might be read from a kind of checklist.
[18:43:44] <anonimasu> hm, that sounds like a PLC program, or somthing like it..
[18:43:58] <rayh> Or the specific motions during a homing routine might be read in from a table of possible motions and actions.
[18:44:06] <les> hi ray sorry I was on the phne
[18:44:24] <rayh> Yea. The whole thing from top to bottom is like a PLC's logic.
[18:44:24] <les> so you ran big iron with servo?
[18:44:36] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:44:50] <anonimasu> it's similiar..
[18:45:10] <rayh> above 60 ipm there was a bit of vibration but it was not until 180 that he saw real studder.
[18:45:32] <rayh> I'm going to make a couple of revised paths and send.
[18:45:54] <rayh> See if we can get a better feeling for what and where.
[18:45:58] <les> ok servo or stepper ray?
[18:46:08] <rayh> I'll send them to you also so we have a three way comparison.
[18:46:42] <rayh> The mazak is stg with sd drives and the gettys servos.
[18:46:59] <rayh> These are probably 2k servo motors.
[18:47:20] <rayh> I'll test here with steppers.
[18:47:32] <les> ok
[18:48:07] <rayh> If you want, I could set up a single ISA card with a 1.2 celeron and send it to you.
[18:48:33] <les> thanks...I can buy a board though
[18:48:40] <les> ceap enough
[18:48:44] <les> cheap
[18:48:56] <anonimasu> motenc/stg/other?
[18:49:01] <les> will need one for the BP conversion anyway
[18:49:08] <rayh> There is a line of these available new.
[18:49:35] <rayh> I looked at cheapbytes but Matt got nearly the same board from another similar outfit.
[18:49:48] <anonimasu> ah, the motherboard ;)
[18:49:57] <rayh> Jon Elson was pretty skeptical that it would run his parport.
[18:50:15] <rayh> Not a glitch. Loaded live and his mods and the motor just ran.
[18:50:19] <les> oh on your test...which file? or did you change it...
[18:50:50] <rayh> Loaded 4.20 with last week's sf and his parport stuff worked without a hitch.
[18:51:24] <rayh> His board was the UnivPWM card and two of his servo drives.
[18:51:35] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands anonimasu a neck brace for all that nodding. =)
[18:51:44] <les> there wwas spiral, spiral2, and any other you might have made by running the c program
[18:51:56] <rayh> I was impressed with the ease of the motion retrofit.
[18:51:59] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I QUOTE "I AGREE!"
[18:52:13] <anonimasu> Jymmm: would that be a better thing to say.
[18:52:27] <Jymmm> anonimasu just nod already =)
[18:52:56] <rayh> unhuh unhuh unhuh unhuh unhuh ... that should keep me in agreement for a while.
[18:53:13] <Jymmm> rayh oh go answer your 900 line!
[18:53:50] <rayh> Right. "Wame ta talk dirty to ya?
[18:54:05] <anonimasu> lol
[18:54:39] <Jymmm> rayh Not tonight dear, I have a headache
[18:57:11] <rayh> Oh. You saw my picture on the web 'eh.
[18:58:06] <Jymmm> rayh Did you see mine?
http://geocities.com/jymmm/
[19:00:36] <anonimasu> how cute
[19:01:22] <Jymmm> anonimasu ?
[19:03:06] <anonimasu> I am designing somthing for engraving on stuff..
[19:03:17] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I'll have a look at your stuff in a bit
[19:03:29] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep waves a large magnet @ Jymmm ..
[19:03:50] <Jymmm> Phydbleep Most Bod Mod are SS
[19:04:44] <anonimasu> I was thinking one of thoose they have when they do cut scans of the brain..
[19:04:45] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Electromagnet.. 100kHz drive... Even SS will get hot from eddy currents. :)
[19:05:13] <Jymmm> BodMod == Body Modification == Tattoo, Piercings, Branding (Yes, a hot branding iron againest flesh)
[19:06:05] <rayh> Well. I can see one way that you could answers a doctors demand that you loose ten pounds.
[19:07:07] <les> Oh ray...comments welcome on the "using treadmill motors for servos" thing I posted on Cad_cam
[19:07:58] <rayh> phone sex again brb
[19:08:11] <les> haha
[19:09:04] <les> Ray is a busy man since he started that business.
[19:09:25] <Jymmm> and STD free too!
[19:09:53] <les> well he puts a condum over the telephone reciever.
[19:09:54] <PhydZing> Woohoo! :)
[19:10:12] <Jymmm> les is it ribbed for his pleasure?
[19:10:25] <les> Hawhawahaw
[19:10:34] <Phydbleep> les: And people wonder where they lose their cellphones. :)
[19:10:59] <les> heh
[19:14:05] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[19:17:23] <Jymmm> How difficult would it be to make something to be able to use two PC power supplies to be able to get 24VDC (in a safe manner)?
[19:17:53] <Jymmm> From my understanding it requires isolating the grounds, but I'm a lil clueless there.
[19:18:53] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: You have to use the +12V from both supplies, You tie the +12V from one to ground on the other one..
[19:19:20] <Phydbleep> Then using the +12 and ground that are left you will have 24V.
[19:19:28] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : You can't just wire them in series due to them being switching P/S
[19:19:41] <Jymmm> linear, no problem.
[19:20:02] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Then you aren't using isolation transformers like you should be.
[19:20:12] <Jymmm> Phydbleep re-read the question
[19:20:58] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: You use the isolation xfmr to isolate the power and ground.. Then you don't have the nasty loops.
[19:21:10] <Jymmm> Phydbleep That would defeat the purpose
[19:21:55] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Why not just whack together a 24V supply?
[19:22:17] <Jymmm> Phydbleep XMFR are difficult to find with that much current
[19:22:32] <Jymmm> PC PS are cheap and abundant
[19:22:49] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a 32V/40A lump sitting here.
[19:23:16] <Jymmm> Phydbleep if you wee to give that to me, the shipping alone would be expensive. see what I mean?
[19:23:56] <Jymmm> but everywhere there are PC PS, even for free that'll give you 10 to 30 amps
[19:24:12] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: I'm not giving you my big xfmr, You nowhere near cute enough and you didn't ask nicely... :)
[19:24:22] <Jymmm> lol
[19:25:20] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Check out isolation xfmrs.. They go on the 110V side and prevent you fry frying&dying. :)
[19:25:37] <Phydbleep> s/fry/from
[19:25:42] <Jymmm> Phydbleep Again, the idea is to avoid XFMR's of any kind.
[19:25:58] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Then yo're SOL..
[19:26:41] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: You'll have to replace hte regulators in the pc-ps to get the 24V at >1A
[19:27:13] <Jymmm> Phydbleep I think you're missing the point.
[19:27:39] <Jymmm> The idea is to use cheap/free PC PS and connect them together with <something>.
[19:27:41] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: I went through the same general bs trying to run an ATX mobo from 12V.
[19:28:46] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Isolation diodes and a rack of batteries, MIGHT do it.
[19:31:53] <rayh> If I had to have a 24 volt DC supply that can give me about 5 amps,
[19:32:20] <rayh> I'd look at mpjones or avel lindberg for a torroid
[19:32:50] <rayh> The 12 volt on a pc supply is not regulated. It is a multiple of the 5 volt
[19:32:58] <Phydbleep> rayh: Yeah, Or go to the flea-market and grab an old spot welder pack. :)
[19:33:06] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[19:33:13] <Jymmm> rayh : Well, the idea was to use cheap/free PC PS's
[19:33:24] <rayh> Hi Alex.
[19:33:33] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: There's a reason they're frre. :)
[19:33:33] <rayh> I see the value of free.
[19:33:42] <Phydbleep> free
[19:34:19] <alex_joni> brb
[19:36:43] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: What about a microwave oven xfmr?
[19:37:04] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep gets microwave ovens for free all the time.
[19:38:55] <Jymmm> http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/powersupply.htm
[19:39:28] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: I had one other idea.. Check the junque piles for a dead ibm line printer.. They had a mondo 24V supply in them..
[19:42:32] <Jymmm> Phydbleep The idea is not to have to scavange around for this or that, just be able to use ATX power supplies. You have 36VDC, connect three, 48VDC @ 10A connect 4
[19:42:33] <Jymmm> etc
[19:42:59] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Yeah, It's just a pita with pc ps's.
[19:43:00] <Jymmm> Here, PC PS are found by the pallets
[19:43:19] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Yeah, i have a stack of 8 or 9 here as well.
[19:43:42] <Jymmm> Right, which is why I was saying some circuit in the middle that could plug in as many as you wanted.
[19:43:57] <Phydbleep> Isolation xfmr..
[19:44:26] <Jymmm> Phydbleep That defeats the prupose.
[19:44:29] <Jymmm> purpose
[19:45:05] <Phydbleep> And without re-designing the whole ps, you'll have to have an isolation xfmr or you'll fry something.
[19:46:24] <A-L-P-H-A> :D Soooo good.
[19:46:31] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: pc ps are not designed to daisy-chain.. you could get away with it with SOME of the old AT supplies by cutting/rewiring grounds.
[19:47:00] <Jymmm> Phydbleep READ MY LIPS.... I said connect them together with <some circuit>
[19:48:18] <A-L-P-H-A> Went to the metal suppliers, didn't have enough cash, guy gives it to me, and says pay next time. So a few hours later, I go back with some coffee, and I get the whole lot for $30CDN flat. 1ft of 2" round rod. 6061-t6. 4"x1/2"x28" flat stock, 6061-t6. :D"
[19:51:15] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A next time bring boose and see wha thte price is?
[19:51:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a tuesday. at 3pm.
[19:51:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I was thinking of bringing a 12pack, or a 6pack of something good.
[19:53:11] <A-L-P-H-A> 2,3,4,6,8" squares... cheap chinese things... $33.50CDN with tax. :) not too bad.
[19:54:22] <A-L-P-H-A> what other toys do I need... hmm... micrometer.... 0-1" and 1-2". And then I've pretty much have everything... (got the surface guage and grinite block).
[19:54:45] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is working on getting a granite slab.
[19:55:30] <les> you can buy the cheap ones and fix em up to a better accuracy with a level
[19:55:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a real one... but you can go to a counter place, and ask them for stuff.
[19:56:11] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands les a slab.... "Calibrate this"
[19:56:17] <A-L-P-H-A> les, you're the only person I know of that lovse to scrap stuff. :)
[19:56:29] <les> best ones need an autocollimator...but that can be made from surplus stuff
[19:56:29] <A-L-P-H-A> scrape
[19:56:42] <les> its fun
[19:56:58] <les> you don't scrape stone...just lap it
[19:57:38] <A-L-P-H-A> les, uh... fun is with a girl + car + backseat + secluded area. I don't think lapping a granite block is in the category of fun.
[19:58:44] <A-L-P-H-A> it's AJ!
[19:58:47] <A-L-P-H-A> run!
[19:59:17] <paul_c> alex_joni: Try that connection again.
[19:59:37] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... anyone know of a way to silence a shopvac?
[19:59:47] <alex_joni> ALPHA: shoot it
[19:59:49] <A-L-P-H-A> it's really loud, when I'm using it to suck away the chips, while I'm machining.
[19:59:50] <paul_c> 12 gauge ?
[19:59:50] <cradek> unplug it?
[20:00:07] <A-L-P-H-A> so no.
[20:00:22] <cradek> just like bagpipes: volume falls off as radius squared
[20:00:49] <alex_joni> paul_c: anyone home?
[20:01:04] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Add a bag of fiberfill to the outlet.
[20:01:42] <anonimasu> :)
[20:02:16] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Like run the output into a 5 gal bucket and drop in a bag of pillow stuffing and punch lots of holes in the lid.
[20:02:34] <anonimasu> hello alex
[20:04:05] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[20:04:07] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, that may work.
[20:04:48] <les> A second order low pass filter over the motor area helps some
[20:05:02] <les> a box with a small hole in it
[20:05:08] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: It works to quiet a YZ-250 motor down with just a wad of fiberglass stuffed in the spark arrester shell. :)
[20:05:46] <alex_joni> les: do you need to call it that fancy?
[20:05:54] <les> ha
[20:05:59] <alex_joni> box with a small hole does sound better
[20:06:01] <Phydbleep> You have to change the fiberglass about once a month thouth on a c-stroke bike.. The oil makes it soggy..
[20:06:09] <alex_joni> than a second order low pass filter ;)
[20:06:28] <Phydbleep> s/c-stroke/2-stroke
[20:06:32] <les> Well it's like a muffler...no glass or foam
[20:07:02] <Phydbleep> Don't use glass in an indoor muffler.
[20:07:30] <Phydbleep> Use the poly-fill pillow stuffing.
[20:08:13] <anonimasu> :)
[20:09:12] <les> or just buy a Fein vacuum...56 dba at one meter?
[20:09:58] <A-L-P-H-A> this is a shopvac... so there is no oil.
[20:10:01] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep would rather Frankenstien it. :)
[20:10:10] <A-L-P-H-A> les, that's hardly any sound.
[20:10:18] <A-L-P-H-A> does it have any suction?
[20:10:25] <anonimasu> how do you can a 3 manuallu?
[20:10:30] <les> yeah
[20:10:40] <les> 100 inches h20?
[20:10:43] <anonimasu> Jymmm: teach me!
[20:10:55] <les> let me hunt it up...my figures may be off
[20:11:06] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: That's why I said the poly-fill.. The fiberglass will not make your lungs happy.
[20:11:09] <A-L-P-H-A> that sounds like a lot.
[20:11:19] <A-L-P-H-A> poly-fill, like from pillows?
[20:11:47] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Yeah, Go to the fabric store and buy the big, cheap bag. :)
[20:11:47] <A-L-P-H-A> argh, maybe I'll just get a new shop vac, after it dies.
[20:12:38] <les> http://www.enotalone.com/tools/B00005Q7C0.html
[20:15:04] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: The other thing you could try is one of the spun-poly water sediment filters.. They look like they have a decent flow rate.
[20:15:10] <les> old shop vacs were about 90 dba at one meter
[20:15:29] <A-L-P-H-A> this is an OLD shopvac.
[20:15:32] <A-L-P-H-A> it's LOUD as hell.
[20:15:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it's louder than my mill.
[20:15:40] <les> you can knock that down 10 or 15 with the box over the motor part (no foam)
[20:16:15] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: Or you could just be a cheap so&so and go get a 10' stick of the right size ABS pipe and put the vac outside. :)
[20:17:15] <les> That's like my dust collection system...I would love to have it ooutside...but it would suck all the heat/cool out
[20:17:17] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: You'd crap if you heard what I had for a while as a shop vac..
[20:17:23] <les> ok in the spring and fall!
[20:18:15] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: It was the main vac unit for a 2k sq/ft builintin vac system. 220V/10A/100db. :)
[20:18:25] <les> The Fein and others get their low noise from the use of the second order absorbers
[20:18:42] <les> I have designed some for ITW hand tools
[20:18:52] <les> and other power tools
[20:19:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I am not gonna spend 1/10 of the amount I spent for my shop tools on a vacuum.
[20:19:12] <A-L-P-H-A> damn!
[20:19:31] <les> Fein is $$$
[20:19:34] <A-L-P-H-A> $400CDN? I only spent like $4K on my whole shop.
[20:19:46] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: That's why I said a 5 gal bucket and a pillow. :)
[20:19:52] <les> ok for business...not so good for hobby
[20:20:09] <anonimasu> hm, how many dollar's is that?
[20:20:10] <A-L-P-H-A> OH!!! are these the ones that cleaning ladies use?
[20:20:13] <anonimasu> 500 cdn?
[20:20:23] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20615&item=4381669346&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW&tc=photo
[20:20:34] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, www.xe.com
[20:20:47] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: are they more or less then usd?
[20:20:59] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.26CDN = 1USD
[20:21:08] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.26579CDN = 1USD
[20:21:10] <anonimasu> well, that's a cheap vaccum.
[20:21:11] <anonimasu> :)
[20:21:26] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.59517CDN = 1EUR
[20:21:56] <les> 57.8 dba 1 meter...you could hear a whisper!
[20:22:05] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: So $1CDN == 2 shiny beads and a whack with a stick?
[20:22:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I wish the Canuck dollar was weaker.
[20:22:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd start selling on Ebay again.
[20:22:46] <les> ALPHA's currency is becoming worthlesss...and so is ours
[20:22:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I was making a living doing that.
[20:22:54] <les> unfortunately
[20:23:29] <Phydbleep> les: $1USD == 2 shiny beads and 2 whacks with a stick. :)
[20:23:45] <les> just about
[20:24:08] <anonimasu> :)
[20:24:30] <les> that tends to happen when massive budget deficits are financed by selling treasury notes to Japan and China.
[20:25:25] <Phydbleep> Which make the Chinese RMB (Renmembi) worth about a stubbed toe. :)
[20:27:39] <les> I'ts just a massive transfer of wealth...
[20:27:55] <les> I am not on the right side of that transfer!
[20:28:39] <Phydbleep> les: That's why I'm setting up to produce steam stuff. :)
[20:29:22] <les> Whad I say? Is ray a republican? heheh
[20:30:00] <Phydbleep> I think he ran to call his broker and dump his Enron stock. :)
[20:30:03] <les> Oh he was just busy with that phone job.
[20:31:24] <alex_joni> any of you guys have experience with elevators?
[20:31:57] <anonimasu> I've been locked into one once..
[20:32:04] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Not that doesn't involve voiding the warranty. :)
[20:32:44] <alex_joni> I mean smart controls for elevators
[20:32:55] <anonimasu> no
[20:32:55] <alex_joni> like genetic programming & stuf
[20:32:57] <les> I know nothing of them
[20:32:57] <alex_joni> stuff
[20:33:06] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Same answer, Not that doesn't involve voiding the warranty. :)
[20:33:06] <anonimasu> hm, GA's..
[20:33:19] <anonimasu> I know how they work, but never seen one in use in anything like that
[20:33:46] <alex_joni> an0n: I wanna help some friends
[20:33:57] <alex_joni> they need to build such a system (as a project)
[20:33:58] <Phydbleep> I've seen ga's used for traffic lights and such..
[20:34:36] <anonimasu> yeah, but why a ga in such a application, what are the pro's and con's ?
[20:35:35] <anonimasu> and what are they going to use it for?
[20:35:38] <anonimasu> :)
[20:35:50] <anonimasu> the GA
[20:35:51] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: It is really only useful in a multi-elevator setup, It needs to be able to assign cars as 'express' and bypass whole blocks of floors.
[20:35:59] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: yep
[20:38:56] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I'd think they just use logic in commercial controls
[20:39:17] <alex_joni> an0n: I know
[20:39:30] <alex_joni> but the goal is to do something out of the ordinary
[20:39:35] <alex_joni> to learn the building
[20:39:56] <alex_joni> like when somebody regularely leaves at the same time from the same floor to send a lift in advance
[20:40:00] <alex_joni> and such tasks...
[20:40:33] <alex_joni> anyways.. it was worth a shot, I'll keep googling ;)
[20:41:03] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that's not a GA like task..
[20:41:34] <anonimasu> alex_joni: optimizing the most efficient traversal order in a multi elevator system is..
[20:42:48] <anonimasu> kind of hard to apply :)
[20:43:35] <alex_joni> I know ;)
[20:44:01] <alex_joni> that's why usually you need some smart programming
[20:44:06] <alex_joni> like spiking neurons
[20:44:12] <alex_joni> or markov modells
[20:44:23] <anonimasu> yep
[20:49:25] <Phydbleep> Woohoo!
[20:49:50] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has to go pick up a stack of granite slabs tonight.
[20:51:11] <Phydbleep> You can find the damndest thing if you get on the phone and look for scrap. :)
[20:52:06] <paul_c> granite slabs - Oft used in grave yards.
[20:52:10] <anonimasu> yep
[20:53:05] <alex_joni> does that count as crap?
[20:53:05] <alex_joni> :D
[20:53:08] <Phydbleep> Yep.. And it's morbid as hell, but 90% of the time you want to ask for the "dead stock". :)
[20:53:09] <alex_joni> scrap even
[20:53:30] <alex_joni> and.. the best thing
[20:53:31] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has seen some real crap as monuments.
[20:53:35] <alex_joni> no customers complaining
[20:54:03] <les> "rock of ages" here makes both monuments and surface plates
[20:54:34] <les> My monument WILL be a surface plate.
[20:54:43] <les> haha
[20:55:04] <anonimasu> lol
[20:55:17] <Phydbleep> les: Hehehe... The local shop classes will come to your grave and check their precision. :)
[20:55:23] <anonimasu> les: going to have somone measure it with a laser convergence meter?
[20:55:32] <anonimasu> or whatever the name was..
[20:55:42] <anonimasu> probably
[20:56:15] <les> autocollimator.... and yes. Of course. It must be Lab grade. +/- 25 millionths flat.
[20:56:37] <anonimasu> haha
[20:58:42] <les> Actually I may make a "make your own autocollimator from junk parts" write up sometime.
[20:59:36] <alex_joni> use quicksilver to adjust ;)
[21:00:27] <les> let's see....how about an angular resolution of...say....01 seconds of arc?
[21:00:29] <les> haha
[21:00:46] <les> with junk parts.
[21:01:17] <anonimasu> hm I wonder if I have anything I can sharpen enough to engrave with
[21:04:01] <anonimasu> probably not..
[21:07:56] <paul_c> wit ?
[21:08:17] <anonimasu> might a centerdrill work..
[21:10:07] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, tips are easily broken... unless it's a dormer. dormers rock.
[21:10:19] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: it's a dormer ;)
[21:14:40] <A-L-P-H-A> then perhaps.
[21:15:00] <A-L-P-H-A> with a very light, highspeed rpm, pass.
[21:15:18] <A-L-P-H-A> another tip, just file half a drill, and use it.
[21:15:29] <A-L-P-H-A> like a broken drill bit.
[21:16:05] <anonimasu> I'll use a centerdrill..
[21:16:12] <anonimasu> how does 0.1 sound as a pass?
[21:16:31] <A-L-P-H-A> that's good. (mm right???)
[21:16:34] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:16:40] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, UNITS! are good.
[21:17:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I forget... is a hedge hog, and rod, weights? or units of length?
[21:17:23] <anonimasu> it's a hedgehog..
[21:17:39] <anonimasu> I'll go outside to try it out now..
[21:18:21] <anonimasu> hm, a 2kb .cnc file for my engraving..
[21:18:23] <anonimasu> neat
[21:20:15] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:32:16] <A-L-P-H-A> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strange_units_of_measurement <-- entertaining read
[21:37:06] <les> haha
[21:37:17] <les> my favorite is the milli Helen
[21:37:36] <les> amount of beauty that can launch on eship.
[21:37:43] <les> ship
[21:38:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I personally like attoparsec.
[21:38:19] <les> yeah
[21:38:30] <A-L-P-H-A> just sounds neat.
[21:38:44] <les> I am just rating ex wifes and GF in millihelens
[21:39:27] <A-L-P-H-A> any in the single digits?
[21:39:32] <les> some are old now...so microhelens
[21:39:41] <A-L-P-H-A> nono.
[21:39:42] <A-L-P-H-A> that's wrong!
[21:39:44] <A-L-P-H-A> see...
[21:40:16] <A-L-P-H-A> wait.
[21:40:22] <les> heh
[21:40:34] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.1 means, you need 10 to launch one ship.
[21:40:53] <A-L-P-H-A> but what kind of ship?
[21:41:01] <les> I know.
[21:41:05] <les> hahaha
[21:41:13] <A-L-P-H-A> if it's like a cheesy lazer... that's like maybe a 5 helen.
[21:41:43] <A-L-P-H-A> now if it's a $100million yacht, that helen unit changes.
[21:41:50] <A-L-P-H-A> so it'd be like 0.000005 helens?
[21:41:55] <les> ok exes when they were young (one still is) were pretty good.
[21:42:08] <les> 10 millihelens at least
[21:42:13] <A-L-P-H-A> les, if she's older than 26, she's not young.
[21:42:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.01 helens?
[21:42:43] <les> shut up or I will start dccing you pictures...haha
[21:42:49] <A-L-P-H-A> wait.
[21:42:58] <A-L-P-H-A> 10 milihelens would be 1 helen.
[21:43:07] <A-L-P-H-A> nm.
[21:43:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm smoking crack.
[21:43:10] <les> .01 helen
[21:43:14] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.01 helens
[21:43:23] <A-L-P-H-A> I was thinking centihelens.
[21:43:27] <les> haha
[21:44:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder would there be a yottahelen.
[21:44:08] <les> haw
[21:44:42] <les> roltek couldn't take it anymore
[21:45:28] <A-L-P-H-A> did he say anything before?
[21:45:30] <les> He just got in a state of depression assigning units to his GF
[21:46:42] <les> hmmm no I think last ex might be 40-50 millihelen
[21:46:53] <les> and with a few beers a good bit more!
[21:47:33] <A-L-P-H-A> les, so, don't allow her to christen the ship, and just drink the bottle of champaigne instead.
[21:47:41] <les> haha
[21:48:26] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/prefixes.html
[21:49:37] <les> yotta...zepto...sounds like the marx brothers
[21:50:42] <A-L-P-H-A> marx bros?
[21:50:55] <les> I had better bookmark that...it couls come in handy in my continuing efforts to confuse and bewilder...
[21:51:28] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html
[21:53:04] <les> all right. rating time.
[21:53:16] <les> you are in your twenties right?
[21:53:27] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A hands les a big bottle of alcohol... just move on. :)
[21:53:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm 25, soon to be 26.
[21:53:40] <les> ok.
[21:54:04] <les> recent picture of ex. I am 51. Rate it.
[21:54:07] <les> get ready
[21:54:24] <A-L-P-H-A> uh.
[21:54:36] <A-L-P-H-A> dcc probably won't work, unless you're registered user of freenode.
[21:54:51] <anonimasu> it turned out good
[21:55:10] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, cool.
[21:55:12] <anonimasu> although crap compared to how it would look if I had a sharp centerdrill..
[21:55:17] <anonimasu> it was pretty dull
[21:55:17] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha
[21:55:34] <anonimasu> been drilling c-rod with it
[21:55:43] <A-L-P-H-A> c-rod?
[21:55:47] <A-L-P-H-A> cold rolled?
[21:55:55] <anonimasu> high carbon rod..
[21:56:00] <les> uh oh...dcc is not going...
[21:56:14] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: you can harden it if you like...
[21:56:38] <anonimasu> * anonimasu did scrap a piece for work to engrave it on
[21:56:55] <anonimasu> well, I'll face all pices later so it dosent matte :)
[21:57:01] <A-L-P-H-A> uh, I was hoping that you were going ot do it like, on alu.
[21:57:04] <A-L-P-H-A> not something hard.
[21:57:11] <anonimasu> yeah, I was doing it in alu..
[21:57:22] <anonimasu> the c-rod was somthing I've drilled with the centerdrill earlier..
[21:57:29] <anonimasu> dulled it quite a bit
[21:57:40] <anonimasu> it's been in my lathe for a couple of months ;)
[21:57:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I always have a couple spares.
[21:57:59] <anonimasu> need to get another one at work..
[21:58:18] <A-L-P-H-A> dormer #2 center drills are expensive. :(
[21:58:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I paid like $8 for each.
[21:58:44] <anonimasu> :/
[21:59:14] <anonimasu> I cant wait until I've finished theese parts..
[21:59:23] <anonimasu> so I can re-build my mill totally
[21:59:26] <les> sent.
[21:59:37] <les> rate in millihelen
[21:59:52] <anonimasu> there's vibrations from the gearbox..
[22:00:05] <anonimasu> I think the other vibrations I see when cutting is imbalance in the holder..
[22:00:07] <anonimasu> or somthing like that..
[22:00:28] <anonimasu> but well the gearbox is the worst
[22:02:09] <CIA-4> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/ (drivers/simio/simbase.c motion/emcstepper.c): Commit some of the stuff that should have been done at the codeFest - Need to test the hold time to make sure it does what it is supposed to..
[22:02:46] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/AUT_6226.jpg
[22:02:57] <A-L-P-H-A> helens... umm... 0.005 helens? If you got enough, they could push the boat into the water...
[22:03:50] <A-L-P-H-A> 1/2 a millihelen.
[22:03:53] <anonimasu> heh
[22:04:01] <anonimasu> that's how it ended up looking
[22:04:02] <A-L-P-H-A> exponential growth though is my scale.
[22:04:52] <A-L-P-H-A> so, if you say... Sarah Michelle Gellar, that'd be like 1 helen.
[22:05:11] <les> 5 millihelens? even in the camo gear?
[22:05:14] <les> heh
[22:05:16] <A-L-P-H-A> but say... Cindy Crawford, it'd be like 0.9 helen. good enough to just launch the ship anyways.
[22:05:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I just saw the top... I thought it was an ugly shirt.
[22:06:43] <anonimasu> heh
[22:06:44] <les> oh I forgot...helen is the face that launched a thousand ships. Boobs don't count?
[22:07:10] <A-L-P-H-A> Helen of troy. I know.
[22:07:17] <anonimasu> :D
[22:07:19] <A-L-P-H-A> it's been on discovery channel for like a week.
[22:07:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm not a boob man... though I look at them a lot.
[22:07:47] <les> hahaha
[22:08:00] <les> I am. hence the higher rating.
[22:08:09] <anonimasu> lol
[22:08:13] <les> 40 millihelens easy!
[22:08:14] <A-L-P-H-A> hhaha. I was sitting at lunch with my business partner... the waitress was standing right beside me... and her boobs are at eye level.
[22:08:16] <les> really!
[22:08:22] <A-L-P-H-A> he goes "Lloyd, eyes up".
[22:08:47] <anonimasu> :p
[22:08:55] <les> hahaha
[22:10:33] <A-L-P-H-A> she was really cute.
[22:11:00] <A-L-P-H-A> There's a hostess, that was working a restuarant, she was really freak'n cute. But a little ditzy.
[22:11:07] <les> A 29 YO Georgia moonshiner's daughter with a camo outfit rated 40+ millihelen for me easily
[22:11:34] <anonimasu> what is a helen?
[22:11:39] <A-L-P-H-A> she was confused, like she lost her pen or something, so she spun around, on one heel, in confusion. I got such a kick out of that.
[22:11:46] <les> We had better fix your glasses with a GEORGIA prescription
[22:11:58] <anonimasu> what's the reference you compare aginst?
[22:12:02] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, a unit of measurement.
[22:12:07] <les> unit of beauty
[22:12:10] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: yeah I know
[22:12:23] <A-L-P-H-A> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strange_units_of_measurement <-- entertaining read
[22:12:26] <les> helen of troy had the face that launched a thousand ships
[22:12:39] <anonimasu> :)
[22:12:42] <les> one millihelen will launch one ship.
[22:12:51] <anonimasu> ah
[22:12:52] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:13:02] <A-L-P-H-A> les.
[22:13:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm sorry.
[22:13:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I got that wrong...
[22:13:10] <les> haha
[22:13:24] <les> heheheheh
[22:13:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I got the scales wrong.
[22:13:36] <A-L-P-H-A> nm...
[22:13:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm gonna shut up.
[22:13:47] <les> haw
[22:13:53] <anonimasu> heh
[22:14:30] <les> ok I will take the 5 millihelen
[22:14:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I need a nap... the coffee isn't doing it for me anymore.
[22:14:43] <les> she is 4 years older than you.
[22:14:57] <les> 21 years younger than me.
[22:15:07] <les> haha
[22:15:11] <A-L-P-H-A> eeew... that's like me dating a 4 year old.
[22:15:14] <A-L-P-H-A> pediphile.
[22:15:25] <A-L-P-H-A> les = pedophile.
[22:15:54] <les> lloyd, let me tell you someting...29 year olds are not little girls.
[22:15:57] <les> hahaha
[22:16:01] <anonimasu> that stuff stops matter when the age of both people are old...
[22:16:28] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: while you cant date a 4 year old it's perfectly fine for led to date a 29 year old ;)
[22:16:31] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lmwatts.com/materials.html <-- <title> is "test"
[22:16:35] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: you are shit out of luck there :p
[22:17:01] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lmwatts.com/materials.html <-- same
[22:17:11] <les> test...yeah I must change that someday...
[22:18:04] <paul_c> hohum... not a lot done today..
[22:18:07] <les> The picture of me you are hunting in on bio
[22:18:18] <les> hi paul
[22:18:23] <A-L-P-H-A> no, from the email.
[22:18:38] <A-L-P-H-A> your picture's from code fest already
[22:18:39] <paul_c> Yo Les.
[22:18:58] <paul_c> Just wondering if the rest of us get to vote on the piccie...
[22:19:58] <les> oh rating Joy in millihelen?
[22:20:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lmwatts.com/a.gif <-- is that an anarchy sign?
[22:21:08] <les> ok,ok, I have a little problem with authority.
[22:21:46] <anonimasu> lol
[22:21:48] <A-L-P-H-A> "Tiger", The "Waco" of Georgia.
[22:22:02] <anonimasu> :D
[22:22:49] <les> I promise to be good though. Kinda.
[22:23:16] <paul_c> they did have a shootout on the main street in Tiger...
[22:23:21] <anonimasu> heh
[22:23:21] <les> yup
[22:23:24] <les> true
[22:23:50] <les> and
[22:24:23] <les> Michelle just called and said she killed a 4 ft copperhead behing the art gallery
[22:24:39] <les> remember the baby on I ran over?
[22:24:57] <les> (snake)
[22:26:16] <paul_c> didn't you club the baby to death wit that golf stick ?
[22:26:35] <paul_c> (copperhead)
[22:26:50] <les> heh...no the lawn tractor
[22:27:00] <les> it was already pretty dead.
[22:27:48] <les> Michelle said the 4 foot one was as big around as her arm.
[22:31:13] <paul_c> setup/hold times done.. skype installed. time for a fag.
[22:31:22] <Phydbleep> les: Boots! :)
[22:31:45] <les> really
[22:31:54] <les> snakes in the grass a lot here
[22:32:12] <les> I never kill em though
[22:32:18] <les> unless accident
[22:32:47] <les> paul did skype. cool.
[22:34:01] <anonimasu> hm :)
[22:34:02] <anonimasu> nice
[22:37:37] <anonimasu> hm
[22:37:44] <anonimasu> I've decided to use QT..
[22:38:13] <les> works ok.
[22:38:35] <anonimasu> if you do commercial development you need a license for QT..
[22:38:44] <les> I guess
[22:38:55] <anonimasu> otherwise thers a freeware version..
[22:39:22] <les> I have just been trying to set up audio and video conferencing
[22:39:30] <les> cheaper than travel
[22:39:47] <anonimasu> I am thinking of coding somthing for writing quick gcode online at the mill/lathe
[22:40:02] <les> online?
[22:40:04] <anonimasu> but what'�s keeping me from starting is time and that I havent touched QT with a stick..
[22:40:04] <les> cool
[22:40:08] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:40:13] <anonimasu> jog + add point
[22:40:45] <anonimasu> that you can use from the panel..
[22:40:58] <anonimasu> to hack togther some pockets or a shaft with tapers and some threads..
[22:41:03] <les> I remember that robot in a room that you could actuall control via a java thing on the web
[22:41:16] <les> silly but fun
[22:41:17] <anonimasu> without resorting to a cam program..
[22:41:26] <anonimasu> cant really place anything on the lathe here else..
[22:41:27] <les> I would make it pick up blocks
[22:41:31] <anonimasu> :)
[22:41:34] <les> in Au?
[22:41:46] <anonimasu> ?
[22:41:49] <anonimasu> no, at home..
[22:41:53] <anonimasu> my father dosent do g-code
[22:42:03] <les> no the web robot
[22:42:06] <anonimasu> ah
[22:42:07] <anonimasu> :)
[22:43:14] <les> Cool to remotely pick up blocks in australia with a robot from here via web
[22:43:36] <anonimasu> yeah very
[22:49:04] <anonimasu> the only thing I am curious about are toolpath generation algoritms..
[22:50:05] <anonimasu> havent looked at that too much..
[22:50:28] <les> it is complicated
[22:50:39] <les> especially pocketing
[22:51:22] <les> you can buy some toolpath engines though
[22:51:30] <les> $$$
[22:51:52] <anonimasu> les: I got screamed at when I mentioned QT.. because it
[22:51:57] <anonimasu> it's almost commercial..
[22:52:30] <anonimasu> ;)
[22:54:11] <anonimasu> les: I am not thinking ( pockets..
[22:55:00] <anonimasu> or well, acutally I was thinking a user input mode where you can jog and add points..
[22:55:03] <anonimasu> to your path..
[22:55:22] <anonimasu> teach in or somthing like that..
[22:56:05] <les> a one time use cam program using plastic on the web is intriguing
[22:56:26] <anonimasu> hm..
[22:56:29] <anonimasu> what?
[22:56:57] <anonimasu> or rather, what is 2plastic"
[22:57:02] <anonimasu> s/2/"
[22:57:30] <les> you sign in...draw your stuff.... a g-code is emailed to you...you pay with secure web credit card
[22:59:00] <anonimasu> yep
[22:59:20] <les> good idea anon.
[22:59:51] <anonimasu> which one?
[23:00:01] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:00:17] <anonimasu> online programming is what I refer to entering code on the controller is.. :D
[23:00:20] <anonimasu> actually
[23:01:48] <les> cam systems are costly to buy
[23:02:03] <anonimasu> yep
[23:02:07] <anonimasu> the idea is great
[23:02:07] <les> a web based on eon a low cost pere use basis...
[23:02:33] <les> let me try that again
[23:02:50] <anonimasu> java + a commercial toolpath generator, and post processor..
[23:03:02] <les> a web based one on a low cost per use basis
[23:03:46] <les> it is that time of day where the evening sun is shining in the window and I can't see the monitor
[23:04:25] <anonimasu> :)
[23:05:01] <les> a good time to break for supper...
[23:05:11] <les> bbiaw
[23:05:31] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:05:38] <anonimasu> It's bedtime over here :)
[23:05:39] <anonimasu> night
[23:06:26] <anonimasu> I found a mill..
[23:06:28] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/view/5041499.htm?caller=nbl_s&l=0&c=1&city=0
[23:06:33] <les> night
[23:06:54] <anonimasu> neat little size
[23:07:22] <anonimasu> err neatly sized one
[23:15:43] <Jymmm> sized what?
[23:17:55] <anonimasu> mill.
[23:18:01] <Jymmm> ah
[23:18:51] <Jymmm> damn, my knife will only hold six blades! argh
[23:24:34] <anonimasu> knife?
[23:24:45] <Phydbleep> anyone interested in a Fanuc A-200?
[23:25:59] <Phydbleep> Complete with Karel A-200 controller. US$4k
[23:29:24] <anonimasu> no :/
[23:31:38] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: What are they crap?
[23:32:54] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: I dont know what a A-200 is.. really
[23:32:58] <anonimasu> and you are in the usa..
[23:33:18] <anonimasu> it might be the worlds nicest mill, but shipping is about $3k
[23:33:21] <anonimasu> :/
[23:46:15] <anonimasu> night
[23:59:50] <Phydbleep> G'night anonimasu
[23:59:53] <Phydbleep> :)
