#emc | Logs for 2005-05-05

[00:27:57] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep wanders off to see how far the shop has sunk in the last rain.
[01:14:50] <[BBF]PUNK> .
[01:17:00] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands Phydbleep 50 pontoons!
[01:17:40] <[BBF]PUNK> ?
[01:17:57] <[BBF]PUNK> [BBF]PUNK is now known as punk84
[01:28:11] <dmess> hi all .. ; )
[01:28:41] <Jymmm> dmess!
[01:28:58] <dmess> c'est moi..
[01:31:11] <Jymmm> say what?! =)
[01:32:48] <dmess> no what is quoi??
[01:32:59] <Jymmm> a bird?
[01:33:17] <dmess> its what a bir says..
[01:33:22] <dmess> bird
[01:33:45] <dmess> or what in french...
[01:33:46] <Jymmm> no it doesn't... I got 24 of em here!
[01:34:08] <dmess> what kinda feed you give em..
[01:34:15] <Jymmm> 15 cockatiels and 4 parrots
[01:34:46] <dmess> your a brute for punishment arent you..
[01:35:00] <Jymmm> my earplugs cut 20db =)
[01:35:09] <dmess> must be a loud place at times..
[01:35:20] <Jymmm> OH YEAH!
[01:35:28] <dmess> what sorta parrots,,,
[01:35:41] <Jymmm> Sun conures
[01:35:52] <dmess> my wife wont let me have another bird ...
[01:36:00] <Jymmm> how many you have?
[01:36:13] <dmess> i like conures... they are the sweetest things...
[01:36:25] <Jymmm> sometimes =)
[01:36:54] <dmess> i HAD...3 none now... 3 cats and a dog 3 kids and a wife,,, you know,
[01:36:55] <Jymmm> we have one I can do anything to, even carry around like a golfball
[01:37:21] <Jymmm> eh, get rid of the wife and the cats =)
[01:37:45] <dmess> my friend had ZIGGY... used to curl up with the dog on the couch ... to watch tv
[01:37:58] <Jymmm> lol
[01:39:02] <dmess> he loved me cuz i gave him special seeds when he was just a lil one... and he would fly across the street if he heard me callin him.. for treats..
[01:39:24] <Jymmm> all of ours are clipped
[01:39:48] <dmess> he passed in a fire... but stirred the houshold...
[01:39:49] <Jymmm> that's actually how we got parrot #3
[01:40:00] <Jymmm> sorry to hear that.
[01:40:02] <dmess> just fleew in
[01:40:31] <dmess> my next bird will be a raptor..
[01:41:29] <dmess> theres a gyr-peregrine breeder nearby who has some BEAUTIFUL birds
[01:41:31] <Jymmm> I was working in the back and looked up on the HIGH HIGH power tension lines and saw something yellowish. Looked like a bird, so I had my gf grab one of the parrots and we made him "squawk" the bird came down across the street.
[01:42:09] <dmess> cool. ; )
[01:42:51] <Jymmm> She must have been in the streets for a few weeks. extremely buff, very tired and dirty. grabbed the ladder, went up the tree ans she didn't even fuss one bit when I put my hand out for here. Actually she could barely move. Took her in
[01:43:12] <Jymmm> clipped her wings, gave her a bath and then she ate for six hours striaght.
[01:43:43] <dmess> wow... hungry girl... any eggs??
[01:44:01] <Jymmm> no eggs
[01:44:43] <Jymmm> all the cockatiels though *sigh*... it's springtime!
[01:44:50] <dmess> my cocetiels wold lay... but would never hatch em..
[01:44:54] <Jymmm> hormones galore!!!!
[01:45:14] <Jymmm> even got lesbo walking and humping tiels!
[01:45:23] <dmess> females eat your males???
[01:45:24] <Jymmm> (got that on video finally)
[01:45:29] <Jymmm> nah
[01:45:51] <Jymmm> these birds eat better than you or I do
[01:46:24] <dmess> my female would pick and chew the male RAW ... just before she laid eggs
[01:46:28] <Jymmm> fresh brocoolli, hard boiled egg, pasta, rice, grapes, apples, orange,
[01:46:54] <Jymmm> hmmm seems weird behaviour
[01:47:35] <dmess> so did these ....no apperantly its an iron defficiency thats quite common in 'tiels
[01:48:06] <Jymmm> usually it's calcium
[01:48:30] <Jymmm> due to the egg laying
[01:48:41] <Jymmm> deprives their bodies of all calcium
[01:48:41] <dmess> of certian ages/hormone levels..... she ate the feathers for that too... ; )
[01:49:15] <Jymmm> also can be for lasck of vitamin D with is produced when they sit in the sun.
[01:49:23] <Jymmm> s/with/which/
[01:49:42] <dmess> you have ANY clue how to set a print range in kspread??
[01:50:09] <Jymmm> have you tried selecting the range, thin print?
[01:50:13] <Jymmm> then
[01:51:05] <dmess> yeah... and the rang.. and set range... OR set range... and then set the range...
[01:51:57] <dmess> still struglin with printer drivers for this thing
[01:52:09] <Jymmm> click A1, then shift click G40 (or whatever), then click on file/print
[01:53:28] <dmess> it might help if i had a clue.... says nothing to print..
[01:53:58] <Jymmm> no clue, just how it's done in excell
[01:54:16] <Jymmm> and most other spreadhseets
[01:56:21] <dmess> yeah... in excel im done this in moments... ; )
[01:57:09] <dmess> well its bed time for the kidlets so someones gotta hold them down...
[01:58:01] <dmess> be well... have a bird splash for me.. ; )
[02:43:43] <Ircaddict> yup
[03:24:15] <A-L-P-H-A> damn, missed dmess
[03:24:23] <A-L-P-H-A> well... by like an hour and half.
[04:26:21] <Jymmm> yep, something about kids and ran out of duct tape =)
[04:33:28] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[04:33:47] <Jymmm> G'Night SWP_Away
[06:06:27] <A-L-P-H-A> I hate this. this is annoying. Need to dimple, drill, chamfer, tap, 25 more parts. :/ 100 more operations. ARGH.
[06:18:30] <Jymmm> ick
[06:24:04] <Phydbleep> That's what a tailstock turret on a lathe is for.
[06:26:10] <Jymmm> * Jymmm just nods like he understands
[06:26:51] <Phydbleep> What about using the same idea, chuck the part in a collet and use a rotating multiple toolholder?
[06:27:01] <Jymmm> * Jymmm will one of these days figure out how to use a dead/live center too.
[06:27:23] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is aghast..
[06:27:37] <Phydbleep> You never learned to set up a lathe?
[06:28:29] <Jymmm> Phydbleep "What's a lathe?"
[06:28:51] <Phydbleep> I learned when I was 8? 9?.. Grandad had to make new parts for the old sawmill machinery about once a week.
[06:30:00] <Jymmm> I've yet to touch a lathe (seriously)
[06:31:26] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend/page5.html Those are lathes.
[06:32:11] <Phydbleep> Mine is like the third one down. :)
[06:33:32] <Jymmm> Phydbleep: I've seen lathes, I'd recognize one if I saw it, just never had my hands on one is all
[06:34:28] <Jymmm> is that your new lathe you picked up the other day?
[06:35:04] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. They're fun..You can make rollers for Van De Graff generators and coil forms for Tesla coils on one. :)
[06:35:37] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: That's the one I have now, I have to go pick up the Logan tomorrow night.
[06:35:44] <Jymmm> ah
[06:35:55] <Jymmm> WEll, being in an apartment has it's limitations.
[06:36:38] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has 8"x16" for shop space and needs to relevel it.
[06:38:36] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. I need to check the bed on the Logan, but if the ways are as clean as they looked the other night, It will go in the shop and I'll try and trade the SB for a mill. :)
[06:39:56] <Jymmm> sound good
[06:40:31] <Jymmm> Phydbleep you have any links on live/dead centers by chance?
[06:42:52] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is really confused about that question..
[06:43:07] <Phydbleep> That should be basic lathe operations..
[06:43:44] <Jymmm> again, I've NEVER touched a lathe
[06:44:49] <Phydbleep> http://www.jjjtrain.com/vms/lathe_functions.html#Menu
[06:45:56] <Jymmm> ah, very cool... TY!!!
[06:46:41] <Jymmm> the local JC isn't running any summer classes
[06:46:46] <Phydbleep> Damn.. Jackpot!
[06:47:35] <Phydbleep> http://www.jjjtrain.com/vms/
[06:47:39] <Phydbleep> The Virtual Machine Shop (VMS) is a web site dedicated to the perpetuation of machine tool knowledge and training.
[06:47:46] <Phydbleep> logger_aj: bookmark
[06:47:46] <Phydbleep> See
[06:49:38] <Jymmm> http://www.jjjtrain.com/vms/bobcad.html
[06:54:27] <Phydbleep> logger_aj: bookmarks
[06:54:27] <Phydbleep> See
[06:54:35] <Phydbleep> ?
[06:55:05] <Phydbleep> OK.. Does it let you see a list or are you just S.O.L.?
[06:55:07] <Jymmm> whats all that about?
[06:55:34] <Jymmm> logger_aj help
[06:55:45] <Jymmm> logger_aj list
[06:56:28] <Phydbleep> Well, The url will take you to a copy of the channel log, So don't say anything about your sex life you don't want hte ball&chain to see.
[06:56:52] <Jymmm> lol
[06:57:45] <Jymmm> If she doesn't have any issues with my nude photography, I doubt she'll have any issues with that =)
[07:01:51] <Phydbleep> Oh, so she knows about the sheep then?
[07:01:57] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. :)
[07:02:42] <Jymmm> Actually, she helps me pick out models and/or critiques my work at times.
[07:03:49] <Phydbleep> Like, "No, the legs go in the Wellies with yours, but be sure to wear heavy socks."?
[07:04:50] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Re: :)
[07:05:02] <alex_joni> hey fido ;)
[07:05:23] <Jymmm> like lighting, what feature does this model have that would be exceptional to shoot, what (inf any) theme should I go for, etc.
[07:05:25] <alex_joni> morning
[07:05:37] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what are you talking about?
[07:05:56] <Jymmm> logger_aj bookmark
[07:06:00] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is just teasing Jymmm about his obsession with the ovine form. :)
[07:06:05] <Jymmm> logger_aj: bookmark
[07:06:05] <Jymmm> See
[07:06:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is to tired to read
[07:06:50] <Phydbleep> Sheep Mon, SHEEP! :)
[07:06:58] <alex_joni> sheep?
[07:07:00] <alex_joni> where?
[07:07:32] <Jymmm> 06:56:28 <Phydbleep> Well, The url will take you to a copy of the channel log, So don't say anything about your sex life you don't want hte ball&chain to see.
[07:07:34] <Phydbleep> In the crate.. Should be about 1/2 way back to Jymmm by now. :)
[07:07:51] <Jymmm> 06:57:45 <Jymmm> If she doesn't have any issues with my nude photography, I doubt she'll have any issues with that =)
[07:08:19] <Jymmm> alex_joni and it's just progressed from there...
[07:08:32] <Phydbleep> Downhill.. And gathering speed. :)
[07:08:40] <alex_joni> heh
[07:08:50] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he should just kill the logger
[07:08:51] <alex_joni> :D
[07:09:08] <Jymmm> be easier to /kill Phydbleep =)
[07:09:09] <Phydbleep> NO!
[07:09:22] <Phydbleep> Not the logger!
[07:09:28] <alex_joni> heh ;)
[07:09:35] <alex_joni> is it actually usefull?
[07:09:51] <Jymmm> alex_joni grep the logger for logger
[07:10:03] <Phydbleep> Yeah, I have a few spots bookmarked fo rreference.
[07:10:27] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Is there a command to dump the days bookmarks?
[07:10:56] <alex_joni> Phydbleep: why are you asking me?
[07:10:57] <alex_joni> :D
[07:11:06] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep tried 'bookmarks' but got a new one instead.
[07:11:28] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: Thought it was yors?
[07:11:32] <Phydbleep> yours
[07:11:33] <alex_joni> don't think it does anything but spitting those links
[07:11:40] <alex_joni> it is.. but I didn't write it
[07:11:48] <alex_joni> nor do I have the urge to look at the code ;)
[07:11:57] <alex_joni> logger_aj, help
[07:12:24] <alex_joni> does that help you?
[07:12:32] <alex_joni> I think chump is more likely what you need
[07:12:39] <alex_joni> didn't use it though
[07:13:07] <Phydbleep> Nope.. i'd eant 'dump' or 'list' if it had it. :)
[07:13:20] <Phydbleep> s/eant/want
[07:13:40] <Jymmm> logger_aj, chump zz
[07:13:40] <Jymmm> ZZ:See [|discussion]
[07:15:46] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep will just download the days log and grep.
[07:15:57] <alex_joni> care for a tar.gz?
[07:16:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Phydbleep, tailstock or no... I still have to do it.
[07:16:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm left with ~15 more to tap.... and then i'm done.
[07:16:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll do them later.
[07:16:48] <Phydbleep> alex_joni: No thanks.. I was just curious.. :)
[07:16:52] <A-L-P-H-A> probably 30 minute before I goto my buyer. heh
[07:17:00] <Phydbleep> A-L-P-H-A: You get eh idea though?
[07:17:09] <Phydbleep> s/eh/the
[07:17:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. I know what it's supposed to be for.
[07:18:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it's actually seem quicker to do them in steps... like all parts one step, and then after you finish that step, move to the next.
[07:19:06] <Phydbleep> Turret cuts it to 1 chucking for 4 ops.
[07:19:22] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, I have a turrent.
[07:19:29] <A-L-P-H-A> for my tailstock.
[07:19:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I just don't have adapters made for it.
[07:21:44] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep will need to get/build a turret for the lathe.
[07:22:05] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[07:22:24] <Phydbleep> G'nite Jymmm :)
[07:24:14] <A-L-P-H-A> ahhh... back pain. fun.
[07:24:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm old now... maybe I should get a chair for the shop.
[07:24:39] <alex_joni> ALPHA: how old?
[07:24:43] <A-L-P-H-A> 25
[07:24:50] <alex_joni> really old ;)
[07:24:53] <alex_joni> '80 ?
[07:24:57] <A-L-P-H-A> 79
[07:25:04] <alex_joni> ahh.. me is '80
[07:25:18] <A-L-P-H-A> just wait 12 months... you'll get old too.
[07:25:35] <alex_joni> I have a few more days till i'm 25..
[07:27:37] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is '64.. Back pain is a pani. :)
[07:27:41] <Phydbleep> pain
[07:27:59] <A-L-P-H-A> i just bought an minolta digimage 7i today. 5mp cam.
[07:28:07] <alex_joni> I think that's why it's called back PAIN
[07:28:09] <alex_joni> :)
[07:28:11] <alex_joni> ALPHA: nice
[07:28:19] <alex_joni> isn't it Dimage?
[07:28:24] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[07:28:25] <A-L-P-H-A> dimage
[07:28:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll probably sell it... $300
[07:28:37] <A-L-P-H-A> UDS
[07:28:48] <alex_joni> try scuds
[07:28:49] <Phydbleep> And what a RIP-OFF!.. I expected from all the propaganda to be fighting 12' radioactive mutant cockroaches by now...
[07:29:02] <alex_joni> yeah.. that would be fun
[07:29:04] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone have any interest in an SLR?
[07:29:10] <Phydbleep> Not I..
[07:29:10] <alex_joni> what SLR?
[07:29:20] <A-L-P-H-A> this dimage 7i.
[07:29:21] <Phydbleep> Single Lens Reflex camera
[07:29:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has interest in SLR's in general
[07:29:49] <A-L-P-H-A> if not, I'll list it tomorrow on ebay.
[07:29:53] <alex_joni> nah
[07:29:57] <alex_joni> it's digital ;)
[07:30:02] <alex_joni> I got some of those
[07:30:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't afford film for REAL slrs.
[07:30:12] <A-L-P-H-A> or the processing.
[07:30:26] <alex_joni> I have a HP 850 (8x optic zoom, 4MP)
[07:30:26] <Phydbleep> We are fighting radioactive mutant cockroaches here, but they're onle about an inch long. :\
[07:30:33] <Phydbleep> only
[07:30:53] <alex_joni> Fido: makes the antitank weapons I got useless...
[07:31:45] <Phydbleep> Yeah, And the .50 cal AP rounds just punch more holes in the walls for them to enter. :)
[07:31:58] <alex_joni> yeah :)
[07:32:16] <A-L-P-H-A> SHIT, A 5MPixel raw image is huge. like 10 megs.
[07:32:26] <alex_joni> yup .. it is ;)
[07:32:27] <A-L-P-H-A> 9,738kb
[07:32:35] <alex_joni> ALPHA:how does the night video work?
[07:32:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I dunno
[07:32:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I just got it like 5 hours ago... and 1 of those hours, I was in the pub.
[07:32:59] <alex_joni> ahh ;)
[07:33:25] <Phydbleep> So it will be another hour before he can see to take a picture. :)
[07:34:06] <alex_joni> make that two hours
[07:34:23] <Phydbleep> Well.. It should be dark by then. :)
[07:38:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I just tried it in my room.
[07:39:00] <A-L-P-H-A> not bad. really neat.
[07:39:04] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I will keep it.
[07:39:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I got it for dirt cheap.
[07:39:20] <A-L-P-H-A> $260CDN.
[07:41:12] <alex_joni> it's worth a lot more ,)
[07:41:24] <A-L-P-H-A> cheapest place is $669.99 on froogle.com
[07:41:35] <A-L-P-H-A> USD.
[07:43:41] <alex_joni> yup
[07:43:44] <alex_joni> sounds more like it
[07:44:57] <A-L-P-H-A> this sucks... my favourite sweat shirt is fraying.
[07:51:19] <alex_joni> ALPHA: you monkey lover
[07:51:20] <alex_joni> :))
[07:51:22] <alex_joni> http://joecartoon.atomfilms.com/pages/monkeylooker/
[07:51:50] <A-L-P-H-A> nada.
[07:51:56] <A-L-P-H-A> must be my ad filter.
[07:51:57] <A-L-P-H-A> oh well.
[07:52:08] <alex_joni> gotta wait a bit to load
[07:52:52] <alex_joni> it's flash though
[07:52:53] <A-L-P-H-A> nope, my adfilter nuked it. :D
[07:53:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll just laugh anyways? will that be good enough?
[07:53:58] <alex_joni> http://joecartoon.atomfilms.com/media/swf/1001576518/1115279355/1/monkeylooker.swf
[07:56:14] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahahahahahhaha
[07:56:18] <A-L-P-H-A> that's funny
[07:56:28] <alex_joni> heh
[07:58:40] <Phydbleep> grob Been there, seen that.. Was ROFLMAO. :)
[07:59:18] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep ended up with part of a search string for some reason.
[08:39:36] <anonimasu> morning
[08:51:03] <alex_joni> hey anders
[08:51:07] <alex_joni> what's up?
[09:07:34] <anonimasu> not much
[09:07:40] <anonimasu> woke up like 25 minutes ago
[09:09:27] <alex_joni> nice+
[09:09:33] <alex_joni> [12:07] <anonimasu> woke up like 25 minutes ago
[09:09:44] <alex_joni> pretty late don't you say?
[09:09:52] <alex_joni> half theday is over
[09:10:32] <anonimasu> oh not really
[09:10:43] <anonimasu> going to go out to the mill and do some work now
[09:11:02] <anonimasu> I'll be back later
[09:11:06] <anonimasu> what's up with you?
[09:11:35] <alex_joni> not much
[09:11:44] <alex_joni> installed a BDI last night
[09:11:48] <alex_joni> 4.20
[09:12:35] <anonimasu> nice
[09:12:37] <anonimasu> how does it work?
[09:12:44] <alex_joni> out of the box
[09:13:04] <alex_joni> I did a few linux installs til now
[09:13:08] <alex_joni> but this one worked great
[09:13:21] <alex_joni> emc runs, kernel is already patched
[09:13:29] <alex_joni> ppp works ..
[09:33:52] <alex_joni> http://www.220.ro/gimme_the_stuff.php?lid=1642&cn=femeie_condamnata_pentru_viol_in_Norvegia
[10:19:48] <alex_joni> lol
[10:19:48] <alex_joni> http://www.220.ro/gimme_the_stuff.php?lid=1614&cn=Aria____vs_maps_google_com
[11:50:41] <alex_joni> hey Jymmm
[11:50:48] <alex_joni> wanna see smthg funny?
[11:50:54] <alex_joni> http://www.220.ro/gimme_the_stuff.php?lid=1614&cn=Aria____vs_maps_google_com
[11:58:59] <Jymmm> * Jymmm looks
[11:59:28] <anonimasu> alex_joni: how about dev stuff
[11:59:30] <anonimasu> ?
[12:00:26] <alex_joni> dev?
[12:00:31] <alex_joni> what dev stuff?
[12:03:57] <anonimasu> gcc/libs/stuff for compiling emc
[12:03:59] <alex_joni> an0n: something to waste your time with - http://www.220.ro/storage/ruleta_ruseasca.htm
[12:04:16] <alex_joni> what were you talking about?
[12:06:16] <alex_joni> Today at 5:05:05 pm the time will be 05:05:05 05/05/05
[12:06:17] <alex_joni> 05.05.05 comes only once in 100 years and coinciding with 'Thursday(5th Day of the week) comes once in
[12:06:17] <alex_joni> 7000 yrs.
[12:06:49] <Jymmm> heh, cool.
[12:08:22] <anonimasu> cool
[12:09:08] <anonimasu> I want a sat ;)
[12:09:15] <alex_joni> sat?
[12:09:17] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:09:18] <anonimasu> sattelite..
[12:09:22] <alex_joni> heh
[12:09:28] <alex_joni> hijack one
[12:09:33] <Jymmm> wanna borrow mine?
[12:09:33] <anonimasu> yeah right
[12:09:33] <alex_joni> there are plenty up there
[12:09:49] <anonimasu> Jymmm: lol
[12:09:51] <alex_joni> * alex_joni remebers seeing a project on the web how to build your own
[12:10:00] <alex_joni> some microsatellite
[12:10:15] <Jymmm> anonimasu what makes you think that you can't get access to a satellite?
[12:10:16] <anonimasu> alex_joni: oh, the optics to take images costs more then I'll earn in my whole life ;)
[12:10:33] <alex_joni> heh
[12:10:40] <alex_joni> how about you getting up there?
[12:10:41] <alex_joni> :D
[12:11:03] <anonimasu> impossible
[12:11:05] <alex_joni> http://www.bluesat.unsw.edu.au/
[12:11:31] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Wanna bet? $50 USD via paypal says otherwise
[12:11:41] <alex_joni> lol
[12:11:50] <alex_joni> how about a VERY strong buttkick?
[12:12:01] <Jymmm> Eh, make it $100 USD
[12:12:36] <Jymmm> Hmmm, think we found a way to shut him up =)
[12:13:13] <anonimasu> heh
[12:13:15] <alex_joni> even shoot him up
[12:13:16] <alex_joni> :D
[12:13:47] <anonimasu> brb need to mill some.
[12:13:53] <Jymmm> anonimasu : http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/index.php
[12:14:09] <Jymmm> anonimasu PAY UP SUCKER!
[12:19:42] <anonimasu> Jymmm: what does that sattelite cost to launch?
[12:20:01] <Jymmm> anonimasu it's been in orbit for ~15 years iirc
[12:20:30] <anonimasu> Launch target: Q2 2006
[12:20:34] <anonimasu> it's 2005.
[12:20:44] <Jymmm> anonimasu there are more than one
[12:20:47] <anonimasu> Current launch costs are US$12,000 per kilogram or higher
[12:22:14] <anonimasu> yay!
[12:23:04] <alex_joni> an0n: how's your weight?
[12:23:36] <Jymmm> ya know, I think google has done an outstanding job on their maps. improving the interface more and more all the time too.
[12:23:53] <anonimasu> way too much
[12:24:20] <Jymmm> it still needs some polishing to it, but they're getting there.
[12:24:24] <alex_joni> yup
[12:26:31] <Jymmm> oh, didn't see the 'tour'
[12:26:40] <Jymmm> http://www.google.com/help/maps/tour/
[12:27:31] <alex_joni> too bad maps are only US
[12:27:41] <Jymmm> works for me =)
[12:27:50] <alex_joni> I reckon
[12:28:00] <Jymmm> if they add topo, that'll be perfect
[12:28:17] <Jymmm> alex_joni only teasing.
[12:28:23] <alex_joni> yeah
[12:28:33] <Jymmm> alex_joni ok, wth are ya?
[12:28:43] <alex_joni> europe
[12:28:47] <alex_joni> .ro
[12:29:01] <Jymmm> I got maps for europe
[12:29:07] <Jymmm> (dvd)
[12:29:49] <Jymmm> .ro romania?
[12:30:56] <alex_joni> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=timisoara&state=&country=romania&size=big
[12:32:02] <alex_joni> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?pan=w&ovi=1&mapdata=lrX98gS2BjG%2bUDa8gmhZa%2bhUOPf%2fJkMRZ6T7FNozIysepVxGntEu2YLQQ%2fl3LGarL4pPjXqQasBpcqdx2JvFnHVQkA2NCCV4K%2bwfSYKhqXMyZX%2fAx0yai%2bTtX0sbvIimhkQFkhVzVwwU%2bcml7NxWlTmcHy8wtfTIPFFGr2WKb9A%2b7eInatjpXHmmilKBBSXeqDZwxn%2fnOd%2fricqyW0nwFF5fJIfXAIBck95BN9uVoGtziEszArVheGiTlX2s7xWJMMOJJANAAg6GdZxaUNCAmByMS%2fA4OytjhzA%2fRMqjZ%2fg1c3x5IrHHda265ie69YazdxIjYQj16IRyv3UYnM78ahBW0KQkMgrB3EMLeW%2fG4VEwUUSq3
[12:33:32] <Jymmm> that one didnt come thru, tis ok though
[12:34:05] <alex_joni> heh
[12:34:12] <alex_joni> probably too long :D
[12:34:14] <Jymmm> whats it like living where your at?
[12:34:29] <alex_joni> hmmm.. feels like... home?
[12:34:39] <Jymmm> is that a good thing?
[12:35:03] <Jymmm> is it peacefull? busy? etc
[12:35:14] <Jymmm> coutnry, city, farm, etc
[12:35:45] <alex_joni> well.. it's a city (about 3-400k people)
[12:35:48] <alex_joni> pretty crowded
[12:35:51] <alex_joni> peacefull
[12:35:56] <Jymmm> what would be interesting to photograph there?
[12:35:58] <alex_joni> although we had some floods lately
[12:36:06] <alex_joni> there are some older buildings
[12:36:19] <Jymmm> any factories (abandonded)
[12:36:20] <Jymmm> ?
[12:36:30] <alex_joni> this region belonged to the austrian-hungarian empire
[12:36:48] <alex_joni> timisoara (this is the city) is about 700 years old
[12:37:13] <Jymmm> lots of character to it?
[12:37:24] <Jymmm> or goin thru "redevelopment" ?
[12:40:54] <Jymmm> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=%221600+Pennsylvania+Ave,Washington+DC%22&spn=0.005568,0.007811&t=k&hl=en
[12:40:56] <alex_joni> some
[12:41:24] <alex_joni> what's there?
[12:41:52] <Jymmm> Here in Silicon Valley, "Redevelopment" == "Tear down the building completely every 5 years and build something bigger and charge out the wazoo"
[12:41:57] <Jymmm> The Whitehouse
[12:42:19] <alex_joni> http://www.romanianvoice.com/images/orase/timisoara.php
[12:42:22] <Jymmm> but notice the roof of the whitehouse and the two adjacent bldgs.
[12:42:38] <alex_joni> heh
[12:43:20] <Jymmm> whats the weather typically like?
[12:43:47] <Jymmm> does it snow?
[12:44:23] <Jymmm> those are some pretty photos, I think I'd go nuts photographing everything.
[12:44:40] <Jymmm> I try to shoot things with character.
[12:45:33] <Jymmm> Few months agoa, shot an abandoned mining ghost town
[12:46:31] <alex_joni> you can find some fotos on my site
[12:47:14] <alex_joni> http://www.timisoara.ro/imagini_din/imagini_din.shtml
[12:47:19] <alex_joni> some more pics
[12:47:25] <alex_joni> btw, my site is: www.juve.ro
[12:48:50] <Jymmm> on your robot, what did you use for the charging circuit?
[12:49:14] <alex_joni> the solar kit I used does the charging of the battery
[12:49:21] <Jymmm> kit ?
[12:49:26] <Jymmm> built in charger?
[12:49:44] <alex_joni> it contains the solar panel, the battery, and the inverter
[12:49:52] <alex_joni> you connect the panel to the inverter
[12:50:01] <alex_joni> and the inverter takes care of charging the battery
[12:50:07] <Jymmm> link for the inverter?
[12:50:20] <alex_joni> lemme see if there is any
[12:50:41] <Jymmm> does it use PWM for charging the battery?
[12:50:43] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/yanor/poze/HPIM0524.JPG
[12:50:47] <alex_joni> dunno ;)
[12:51:59] <alex_joni> it's not on their webpage anymore
[12:52:08] <Jymmm> is there a replacement?
[12:52:15] <alex_joni> nope
[12:52:28] <alex_joni> http://www.wagner-group.com/portal/solar_en_wag,850,365.html
[12:52:34] <alex_joni> they removed all traces :D
[12:53:39] <Jymmm> damn... about how much does your weight?
[12:53:58] <alex_joni> what?
[12:54:00] <alex_joni> the robot?
[12:54:05] <Jymmm> the inverter
[12:54:15] <alex_joni> hmmm
[12:54:18] <alex_joni> a few kilos
[12:54:26] <alex_joni> 5?
[12:54:32] <alex_joni> don't really remember
[12:54:40] <Jymmm> ok, a lil too much for what I wanted it for
[12:54:40] <alex_joni> I have a spare one :D
[12:54:52] <alex_joni> but you can find tons of them on the net
[12:55:00] <Jymmm> whats the raw output of your solar panel full sun?
[12:55:14] <alex_joni> about 50W
[12:55:28] <alex_joni> 4-5Amps @ 12 V
[12:55:39] <Jymmm> ok, mines about 24V @ 1A
[12:56:14] <Jymmm> but it folds up =)
[12:56:31] <alex_joni> nice
[12:56:32] <Jymmm> folds/rolls
[12:56:53] <Jymmm> you're suppose to be able to even drive on it
[12:58:27] <alex_joni> nice
[13:01:17] <anonimasu> I need to work
[13:01:33] <alex_joni> you do?
[13:02:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[13:02:36] <alex_joni> bummer
[13:03:04] <anonimasu> it'd be fun but I feel like lying in my armchair
[13:03:23] <alex_joni> yeah.. I feel like going home ;)
[13:06:21] <les> good afternoon
[13:06:28] <alex_joni> hey les
[13:06:32] <alex_joni> is paul still around?
[13:06:40] <les> still asleep
[13:06:52] <alex_joni> let him know that BDI 4.20 really rocks
[13:06:57] <les> he will be up in a bit
[13:07:04] <alex_joni> installed it yesterday.. and it's great
[13:07:08] <les> heh ok
[13:07:28] <Jymmm> Since I went to bed at 0030 and woke up at 0130 and it's 0600 now, I'm goin back to bed!
[13:07:43] <Jymmm> hi and bye les, etc al
[13:08:05] <les> We both stayed up a little bit late talking about the TP problem and what to do about it
[13:08:40] <les> We talked a good bit with Fred too
[13:09:14] <alex_joni> nice
[13:09:32] <alex_joni> I went to bed about 0300 and got up 0700
[13:09:41] <alex_joni> make that 0800 ;)
[13:09:54] <les> We feel we must give up on segmentqueue...it's flogging a dead horse
[13:10:04] <alex_joni> too bad :(
[13:10:05] <les> but
[13:10:10] <alex_joni> but?
[13:10:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni senses hope
[13:10:23] <les> we will get a cubic or quintic planner in there
[13:10:28] <alex_joni> nice
[13:10:38] <les> not as ambitious as segmentqueue
[13:10:45] <les> but one that works
[13:10:47] <alex_joni> but workable?
[13:10:48] <alex_joni> :D
[13:10:51] <les> ha
[13:10:57] <alex_joni> nice
[13:11:11] <alex_joni> I plan to go to work on the kbuild stuff today
[13:11:16] <alex_joni> in a few mins
[13:11:28] <les> Trapezoidal planning is just not good enough...that's agreed
[13:11:47] <les> TP and TC are badly flawed...that's also agreed
[13:12:00] <alex_joni> I wonder how the guys who build our robots do it
[13:12:02] <les> So let's fix it!
[13:12:08] <alex_joni> but I don't think I'll find out ;)
[13:12:43] <les> Well just a 4 point look ahead cubic would be fine and is typical of controllers these days
[13:12:58] <les> good news is
[13:13:06] <Ircaddict> wazzup
[13:13:08] <les> there is already one there!
[13:13:16] <les> just in the wrong place
[13:13:17] <alex_joni> it is?
[13:13:25] <les> cubic.c!
[13:13:27] <alex_joni> humm
[13:13:32] <alex_joni> right
[13:13:36] <les> but it runs at the servo rate
[13:13:50] <les> it is a sub interpolator and does not do much
[13:14:11] <les> it needs to be doing it's thing in the trajectory section
[13:14:18] <les> Hi irc
[13:15:00] <les> We also are trying to deal with the TP stack underflow
[13:15:11] <alex_joni> so that's SQ-independent?
[13:15:12] <les> that is a bad, bad thing
[13:15:22] <les> yes SQ independent
[13:15:31] <alex_joni> that's bad
[13:15:40] <alex_joni> is that listed as a bug on SF?
[13:15:47] <les> not yet
[13:16:19] <les> heh there won't be any need to list it...cause we are fixing it NOW
[13:16:25] <les> (I hope)
[13:16:31] <alex_joni> nice to hear that
[13:16:40] <alex_joni> how long will paul_c stay there?
[13:17:02] <alex_joni> in the Blue Ridge Mountains of
[13:17:03] <alex_joni> North Georgia
[13:17:05] <alex_joni> :D
[13:17:34] <les> well till we get a plan together...then he will go back up to spend time with fred so we can get this stuff implemented in a timely fashion
[13:18:02] <les> he does have to fly out of Dulles next thursday
[13:18:36] <alex_joni> I see
[13:19:55] <les> Well i had better get to powering up some industrial stepper units.....must let the smoke out!
[13:20:09] <les> Need to ship em out...it pays the bills
[13:36:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home to work on emc2
[13:36:05] <alex_joni> bye guys
[13:36:08] <alex_joni> laters
[13:39:23] <anonimasu> les: hey
[13:41:54] <anonimasu> les: how is it going?
[16:41:36] <alex_joni> hello
[16:48:09] <anonimasu> hey alex
[16:48:16] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[16:52:33] <anonimasu> what's up?
[16:54:10] <alex_joni> not much
[16:54:24] <alex_joni> trying to compile emc on BDI 4.20
[16:54:46] <anonimasu> ok
[16:54:46] <anonimasu> :)
[16:54:54] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[16:56:41] <alex_joni> you?
[17:00:28] <anonimasu> working
[17:00:54] <alex_joni> nice
[17:01:16] <anonimasu> :/
[17:01:31] <alex_joni> it is..
[17:02:59] <anonimasu> I've been messing with milling a part that comes out off spec..
[17:03:19] <alex_joni> and?
[17:03:48] <anonimasu> it comes out too small..
[17:03:54] <anonimasu> and I have no idea why..
[17:04:02] <alex_joni> bummer
[17:04:09] <alex_joni> much smaller?
[17:04:17] <anonimasu> 1mm
[17:04:41] <alex_joni> damn
[17:05:18] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:05:19] <anonimasu> it's way off..
[17:05:51] <alex_joni> 1mm isn't that bad ;)
[17:06:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is used to parts having +/- 2mm deviations :D
[17:06:06] <anonimasu> argh
[17:06:25] <alex_joni> yup
[17:07:03] <alex_joni> wanna see some pictures from where my house is?
[17:07:10] <anonimasu> sure
[17:07:21] <alex_joni> http://www.cjtimis.ro/inundatii/UIVAR_OTELEC/UIVAR_OTELEC.htm
[17:08:24] <alex_joni> I got a house in the same village
[17:08:39] <anonimasu> ok
[17:08:48] <anonimasu> :(
[17:09:17] <anonimasu> horrid
[17:12:11] <alex_joni> not nice..
[17:18:16] <alex_joni> anyways.. cvs is working now
[17:50:50] <alex_joni> an0n: on that part that came out too small.. did you use cutter compensation?
[17:54:18] <anonimasu> no
[17:54:19] <anonimasu> nothing
[17:54:36] <alex_joni> strange
[17:54:49] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:54:53] <SWP_Away> what size cutter?
[17:54:55] <anonimasu> i'll diagnose it tomorrow
[17:54:58] <anonimasu> 5mm cutter
[17:55:18] <SWP_Away> is it in a collet (or endmill holder) or chuck?
[17:56:57] <alex_joni> hey Stephen
[17:57:01] <SWP_Away> hi
[17:57:05] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[17:57:29] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: collet...
[17:57:48] <SWPadnos> hmmm - have you tried doing a plunge and measuring the hole?
[17:57:56] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: this is in plastic
[17:58:15] <anonimasu> so it shouldnt be a problem
[17:58:18] <SWPadnos> runout or a mis-sized cutter wouldn't depend on the material to make bad cuts :)
[17:58:36] <anonimasu> oh, it's too much to be the collet..
[17:58:56] <SWPadnos> also, (just an idiot check) - make sure you have the right cutter size entered in your CAM program :)
[17:59:18] <anonimasu> ofcourse.
[17:59:31] <anonimasu> that was the first thing I checked..
[17:59:46] <SWPadnos> OK - just trying to be a better idiot
[17:59:54] <anonimasu> heh
[18:09:11] <alex_joni> coo
[18:09:15] <alex_joni> compiles cleanly
[18:09:27] <alex_joni> bdi-4 that is ;)
[18:09:39] <SWPadnos> cool
[18:09:40] <alex_joni> now the fun part.. emc2 ;)
[18:09:51] <SWPadnos> well - that would be a trick
[18:10:20] <alex_joni> that's my goal for this week(s) ?
[18:10:40] <SWPadnos> cool - I'll be looking forward to it
[18:10:52] <alex_joni> heh.. me too :D
[18:11:00] <SWPadnos> (though I'm in less of a hurry now due to the recent PPMC/USC changes in BDI4)
[18:11:12] <SWPadnos> not that I'm in a hurry anyway
[18:11:14] <alex_joni> how so?
[18:11:39] <SWPadnos> well - there appears to be a more-or-less working USC driver in BDI4 now
[18:11:55] <SWPadnos> I committed Paul's changes a couple of days ago
[18:12:06] <alex_joni> seen those
[18:12:14] <alex_joni> not very closely though
[18:12:23] <SWPadnos> they actually cause the little lights to turn on and stuff :)
[18:12:26] <alex_joni> seems paul & les & fred are working on tp
[18:12:28] <alex_joni> & co
[18:12:40] <SWPadnos> yes
[18:12:46] <alex_joni> that's always a success .. turning lights on / off
[18:12:55] <alex_joni> I always love that when starting a project
[18:13:05] <alex_joni> connect a micro to a LED and make it toggle
[18:13:09] <alex_joni> now that's a beauty
[18:13:10] <SWPadnos> I just need to get the motor spinning
[18:13:30] <SWPadnos> I may pull the GSI from the circuit and see if that helps
[18:13:37] <alex_joni> who cares that later the micro will be a websever for a distributed app... the led on/off is the best :D
[18:13:58] <SWPadnos> yeah - things you can write without libraries are the best
[18:14:10] <alex_joni> heh
[18:15:09] <SWPadnos> damn - http://img155.echo.cx/img155/3571/sand6ky.jpg
[18:16:39] <alex_joni> bugger that
[18:16:49] <SWPadnos> yeah - cool shots, though
[18:17:13] <alex_joni> yup
[18:18:03] <SWPadnos> I wonder what color those vehicles will be when it's over :)
[18:19:45] <alex_joni> I think they will be VERY clean
[18:20:09] <alex_joni> somebody actually got an ideea from dust storms and invented sand-blasting ;)
[18:26:18] <SWPadnos> indeed
[18:33:29] <robin_sz> meep
[18:36:20] <alex_joni> indeed
[18:36:30] <robin_sz> today, I was lasering again :)
[18:36:34] <SWPadnos> heh - hi there
[18:36:45] <SWPadnos> funny - I'm just reading about how a lightsaber works :)
[18:36:54] <SWPadnos> (and there you are with a laser)
[18:36:59] <robin_sz> that thing slices 8mm steel plate like a knife through butter
[18:37:03] <alex_joni> lol
[18:37:16] <anonimasu> LOL
[18:37:20] <SWPadnos> http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lightsaber.htm
[18:37:32] <robin_sz> we did play light sabres with the laser once,
[18:37:40] <robin_sz> that was *almost* fun
[18:38:02] <robin_sz> well, it set lots of stuff on fire :)
[18:38:29] <anonimasu> scary
[18:38:45] <SWPadnos> they never let us play with the lasers in the military
[18:38:53] <SWPadnos> (always too safety conscious)
[18:38:58] <robin_sz> yeah, it comes down a fibre optic cable, you just hold it in your hand and point it at things you dont like
[18:40:07] <robin_sz> anyway
[18:40:44] <robin_sz> there I was slicing 8mm steel plate and one part really messed up, cut only 4mm of the way through .. because there was a paper label on top
[18:40:49] <robin_sz> weird huh?
[18:41:13] <SWPadnos> heh - mightier than the sword and all
[18:41:19] <SWPadnos> (even the paper)
[18:41:21] <robin_sz> yip
[18:41:31] <anonimasu> lol
[18:41:40] <SWPadnos> how's the G2kX coming along?
[18:41:46] <robin_sz> lovely
[18:42:02] <robin_sz> been a bit short on time this week
[18:42:19] <SWPadnos> cool - I was thinking that it would be cool to put the canonical interpreter in it, and actually make a driver for EMC
[18:42:21] <robin_sz> just waiting for Steve to transplant my PID loop from C to assembler
[18:42:26] <SWPadnos> (or split it up differently, but you get the idea)
[18:42:35] <robin_sz> wel, it already has that
[18:42:54] <SWPadnos> It's pretty cost competitive with the USC and other step generators
[18:43:11] <robin_sz> it has the gcode interp as well, tied in to the canon functions
[18:43:38] <robin_sz> so you could just rip out the gcode interp and talk directly to the canonical machining functions
[18:43:47] <SWPadnos> yep
[18:44:09] <robin_sz> personally, I dont mind having the gcode interp on there too
[18:44:15] <SWPadnos> Do you know if Mariss still has any of the OEMs available?
[18:44:23] <robin_sz> 6 I think
[18:44:30] <SWPadnos> STEP and other languages are better handled on the PC, I'd bet
[18:44:55] <SWPadnos> OK - I may email him and see if I can get one (if I decide I really have the time to do anything with it)
[18:45:30] <robin_sz> $150 I think they are
[18:45:38] <robin_sz> you'll need a Rabbit dev kit too
[18:45:55] <SWPadnos> yeah - those are the OEM versions with no connectors or rabbit, right (but still with analog IO)?
[18:46:02] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:46:16] <robin_sz> all the source id on SF
[18:46:18] <robin_sz> is
[18:46:44] <SWPadnos> cool - I didn't realize that it was put there - what is (are) the project(s) name?
[18:46:51] <robin_sz> g200x
[18:46:59] <SWPadnos> that's a tough one :)
[18:48:16] <SWPadnos> does the FPGA code live on the board, or is it reloaded every power-up?
[18:48:37] <robin_sz> reloadeed at power up
[18:48:43] <robin_sz> its not on SF yet
[18:48:45] <robin_sz> may not be
[18:48:53] <SWPadnos> Ah - that's why I don't see it
[18:48:58] <robin_sz> the FPGA code is not GPL
[18:49:08] <robin_sz> everything else is
[18:49:14] <SWPadnos> nope, but the .bin (or whatever) file would be needed
[18:49:21] <robin_sz> yep
[18:49:37] <robin_sz> but under a "only for use on Mariss' hardware" license
[18:49:52] <SWPadnos> and "only useful on Mariss' hardware"
[18:49:57] <robin_sz> wel,
[18:50:03] <robin_sz> there are some cloners on the list
[18:50:31] <SWPadnos> unless I think I can lay out a board and produce it for less than he can (which I can't unless I'm making 1000 of them)
[18:50:44] <robin_sz> well, yeah
[18:50:53] <robin_sz> its non-trivial
[18:51:05] <robin_sz> but ... at least one person cloned the slab
[18:51:24] <SWPadnos> that had full schematics published, right?
[18:51:30] <robin_sz> right
[18:51:30] <SWPadnos> makes it a bit easier
[18:51:35] <robin_sz> well, easier yes
[18:51:44] <robin_sz> but not ethical imho
[18:51:58] <SWPadnos> I'm assuming that the G200x board is multilayer, which can be a bear for cloning
[18:52:21] <robin_sz> it is .. 4 layers
[18:52:34] <robin_sz> middle 2 are power
[18:52:45] <anonimasu> why clone somthing already cheap?
[18:52:53] <robin_sz> well, people do
[18:53:06] <SWPadnos> I've been thinking of making an I/O board (possibly working with Martin's ISA board - making it PCI) - but I would use my own FPGA file
[18:53:19] <alex_joni> darn...
[18:53:20] <SWPadnos> (too much of a pain to copy the connections)
[18:53:22] <robin_sz> the hw is cheap, he publishes all the sw info ...
[18:53:28] <robin_sz> and people rip it off
[18:53:32] <alex_joni> * alex_joni didn't realize bdi-4 doesn't use rtapi
[18:53:39] <robin_sz> shrug, it would p1ss me off for sure
[18:53:42] <alex_joni> that will be a pita to run on 2.6
[18:53:50] <robin_sz> ooh, that feels better :)
[18:53:52] <SWPadnos> heh - BDI4 is basically EMC1 and EMC2 combined
[18:53:54] <anonimasu> robin_sz: well people are cheap bastards..
[18:54:01] <SWPadnos> No HAL, but uses NML
[18:54:02] <alex_joni> SWP: I knew that
[18:54:06] <alex_joni> libnml
[18:54:13] <alex_joni> but libnml is not realtime
[18:54:13] <robin_sz> there, no longer on the emc developers list, a weight lifted :)
[18:54:23] <alex_joni> so it compiles even from emc2 on BDI4-20
[18:54:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:54:54] <SWPadnos> RTAI only for BDI4
[18:55:14] <alex_joni> what?
[18:55:38] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is going to the kiosk
[18:56:04] <SWPadnos> BDI4 only uses RTAI, I believe (though I don't know if that's just the default, or if support for others has been removed)
[19:12:59] <robin_sz> well, reading through the "board" email archive was enlightening.
[19:25:03] <alex_joni> it was?
[19:41:16] <robin_sz> sorta
[19:41:43] <robin_sz> enlightening enough for me to remove myself fromthe project, not that I ever did anyting anyway
[19:44:53] <alex_joni> heh
[19:49:21] <anonimasu> hm
[19:52:13] <les> Hi robin
[19:52:20] <les> and all
[19:53:41] <anonimasu> hey les
[19:53:46] <SWPadnos> hiya
[19:54:07] <robin_sz> heyles
[19:54:14] <robin_sz> or even hey les
[19:54:15] <les> Paul is reading some of my robotics books
[19:54:25] <SWPadnos> so he can dance like Devo?
[19:54:27] <robin_sz> Wilbur Smith?
[19:54:44] <les> hey robin the "new" product line is now on the pacer site
[19:54:55] <les> yeas he can dance like devo now
[19:55:43] <anonimasu> how is it going?
[19:55:53] <anonimasu> any luck with SQ?
[19:56:01] <les> Yesterday we coded up a short little c program that makes a 3-d spiral
[19:56:08] <robin_sz> les: looks neat with a bit of vinyl down the side
[19:56:26] <les> constant arc length between points
[19:56:46] <les> so as it spirals in the points get closer and closer together
[19:56:55] <les> very handy
[19:57:21] <SWPadnos> until it blows up with a thousand 0.0001" moves, right? :)
[19:57:33] <les> emc starts on the outside...and at some point on the spiral chokes up and starts stuttering
[19:58:04] <les> SWP: it blows up when the move time is four times the trajectory interval
[19:58:19] <anonimasu> hm ok
[19:58:22] <SWPadnos> funny - cubic.c smooths 4 points
[19:58:44] <les> yeah...but that is a sub interpolator
[19:58:52] <les> 4 servo cycles
[20:00:04] <robin_sz> les: the pacer stuff looks good, simply bang on a few decals, add a decent controller and take the profits
[20:00:18] <les> right now about .5 mm point distance with about 15 mm/sec speed is the choke point
[20:00:28] <les> robin: yeah
[20:00:30] <les> heh
[20:00:34] <robin_sz> 15mm? thats .. crawling
[20:00:42] <les> yes.
[20:01:17] <robin_sz> well, anyway
[20:01:19] <les> Fred, paul, and I have concurred that it is too slow for even proper metal machining
[20:01:24] <robin_sz> is it fixable?
[20:01:28] <les> yes
[20:01:33] <robin_sz> good.
[20:01:55] <anonimasu> great!
[20:01:55] <robin_sz> and err,
[20:01:56] <anonimasu> :)
[20:01:56] <SWPadnos> does the choke point scale up (ie, @30 mm/min, is it 1mm distance)?
[20:01:59] <robin_sz> good luck ;)
[20:02:07] <les> but...there is about a 100-150 microsecond brick wall with any pc of any speed for servo time
[20:02:37] <alex_joni> hey les
[20:02:42] <les> might be as High as 200
[20:02:44] <alex_joni> is paul_c around?
[20:02:47] <les> hi alex
[20:02:53] <les> yes
[20:03:03] <les> type or skype?
[20:03:13] <alex_joni> can you ask him how he feels about rtapi ;)
[20:03:25] <les> will get him now
[20:03:33] <alex_joni> type.. this time the connection isn't up for skype (dial-up sux for voice)
[20:04:01] <robin_sz> skype is only about 3kbits
[20:04:52] <alex_joni> robin: it does work.. sometimes
[20:05:01] <alex_joni> but that's troublesome
[20:05:05] <robin_sz> I *did* enjoy lasering that 8mm plate today, tomorow I'll try 10mm
[20:05:15] <robin_sz> * robin_sz goes on and on ...
[20:05:53] <robin_sz> the pierce is exciting ...
[20:06:04] <robin_sz> it has to blast a hole clean through ...
[20:07:12] <robin_sz> * robin_sz shuts up
[20:07:13] <alex_joni> yup
[20:07:23] <alex_joni> ever done a pierce on a 100mm plate?
[20:07:27] <alex_joni> oxy-fuel though
[20:07:34] <robin_sz> coo
[20:07:39] <robin_sz> drill first?
[20:07:40] <alex_joni> yup it is
[20:07:42] <alex_joni> nope
[20:07:44] <robin_sz> wow
[20:07:45] <alex_joni> straight through
[20:07:52] <robin_sz> Ive seen thick plate cuts in books
[20:07:55] <alex_joni> but it takes a bit, and leaves a whole
[20:08:02] <robin_sz> (like over 12")
[20:08:08] <robin_sz> but never in real life
[20:08:18] <alex_joni> the thickest I've heard of (my dad told me he has seen one) is about 350
[20:08:22] <alex_joni> as in 3.5m ;)
[20:08:29] <robin_sz> wow
[20:08:32] <alex_joni> yup
[20:08:36] <robin_sz> sounds .. too thick
[20:08:39] <alex_joni> in some steel factory
[20:08:46] <robin_sz> with a lance maybe
[20:08:50] <alex_joni> isn't actually cutting (in the proper way)
[20:08:57] <alex_joni> more like taking two parts apart
[20:09:03] <robin_sz> right
[20:09:07] <alex_joni> lance of course
[20:09:24] <alex_joni> but still.. you get two pieces (light enough to pick up by crane)
[20:09:24] <robin_sz> 12 to 24" slab can be torch cut apparently
[20:09:32] <robin_sz> never seen it though
[20:09:33] <alex_joni> nice
[20:09:37] <robin_sz> except in books
[20:10:22] <anonimasu> heh
[20:10:22] <anonimasu> neat
[20:12:00] <robin_sz> http://www.msha.gov/Alerts/AcetyleneNearmiss/AcetyleneTruckExplosion.htm
[20:29:34] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[20:29:36] <alex_joni> night guys
[20:29:45] <robin_sz> nnight
[20:29:57] <picnet> Evenin.
[20:36:05] <robin_sz> hi
[21:52:42] <anonimasu> hm
[21:52:55] <anonimasu> does anyone have a clue on the cpu usage difference between the TP and SQ?
[21:54:57] <Phydbleep> Not I..
[21:55:37] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has yet to actually use emc for anything other that to make an obsolete computer look useful...
[21:55:48] <Phydbleep> s/that/than
[21:56:08] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: You alive?
[21:56:34] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: well, the computer I run it on is struggling..
[21:57:04] <Phydbleep> anonimasu: 'xload &' from a console?
[21:57:48] <anonimasu> oh, I can tell it's struggling.
[21:58:05] <anonimasu> I think it's a emc bug..
[21:58:25] <Phydbleep> Updgrade? More ram? Faster hamster?
[21:58:57] <anonimasu> even when emc is without any motion it's slow.
[21:59:09] <Phydbleep> Math tutoring for the hamster in there now?
[21:59:15] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:59:19] <anonimasu> with slow I mean slower then f*ck
[21:59:27] <anonimasu> 10 secs to start "ftp" in another console
[21:59:39] <Phydbleep> Yeah, I thought bdi420 on a P-II 30 was sorta slow as well.
[21:59:48] <anonimasu> oh this is a pIII 500
[21:59:49] <Phydbleep> s/30/300
[21:59:59] <Phydbleep> How much ram?
[22:00:00] <anonimasu> when I press esc to abort somthing it takes 20 secs.. to respond..
[22:00:23] <anonimasu> 512mb I think
[22:00:44] <Phydbleep> hiy 'free' and see how much it's hogging?
[22:00:47] <Phydbleep> try
[22:01:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[22:01:10] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep changes the batteries in the keyboard again..
[22:01:32] <anonimasu> it dosent lag when I run emc, but when I've run a program.. it starts to lag.
[22:01:40] <anonimasu> program/.cnc/somthing
[22:01:53] <anonimasu> even after it's completed..
[22:02:11] <Phydbleep> Memory leak?
[22:02:34] <anonimasu> no ides..
[22:02:35] <anonimasu> idea..
[22:02:53] <anonimasu> I should grab & compile a more recent CVS of emc1..
[22:03:12] <anonimasu> but well, it's very strange
[22:03:31] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep beats anonimasu with a copy of emc2
[22:03:52] <anonimasu> Phydbleep: port SQ to emc2 for me ;)
[22:04:07] <Phydbleep> OK! :)
[22:04:20] <anonimasu> actually I have no reason to run SQ atm.. since I found out why my cam program generates segmented arcs..
[22:04:46] <Phydbleep> I wont promise it will run when I'm done, but I can try. :)
[22:04:47] <anonimasu> well I had some nice stuff with emc2 changing to relative mode without telling me about it..
[22:05:07] <anonimasu> that's why I am not running it atm ;)
[22:05:28] <Phydbleep> Settle for SQL? That's already ported. :)
[22:05:35] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. :)
[22:14:57] <SWPadnos> anonimasu: what is PERIOD set to?
[22:16:30] <asdfqwega> phydbleep: I'm here...sorta
[22:20:32] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[22:21:29] <anonimasu> SWP_Away: very high
[22:28:56] <Phydbleep> asdfqwega: Well then, Wake up and go back to sleep. :)
[22:44:00] <SWP_Away> OK - I have a similar machine (celeron 500, 512M RAM), and it performs just fine with BDI-4