#emc | Logs for 2005-05-01

[00:23:56] <jerry> knock,knock, anybody home
[01:39:23] <JJB> hello all I need some help here with BDI 2.2
[01:40:21] <JJB> I can't seem to get it to load off the Cd
[01:40:48] <JJB> It starts to lad but it keeps on go back to rebooting
[01:41:02] <anonimasu_> have you checked the md5sum of your downloaded image?
[01:42:17] <JJB> I am trying to do that now but I have never used that program befor so I don't know where to start with it
[01:44:33] <JJB> can you help
[01:45:12] <Jymmm> man md5sum
[01:45:40] <JJB> ok I will have to do it in Windows first
[01:45:59] <JJB> I have downloaded it and Have it on a flopy
[01:49:54] <JJB> so can some one help here or am I in the wrong place
[01:51:47] <fenn> do you have the binary on your hard disk?
[01:51:53] <fenn> i mean the .iso file
[01:52:08] <fenn> oh wait you don't have a linux system running right?
[01:52:09] <JJB> yes I do
[01:52:21] <JJB> I redownloaded it today
[01:52:42] <fenn> where does it die in the boot up process?
[01:52:58] <JJB> that is right I will have to check it in a windows
[01:53:10] <JJB> yes it does
[01:53:43] <JJB> it gets only up to the 2nd file and hen reboots
[01:54:03] <fenn> which file?
[01:54:37] <JJB> Shit I should have wrote it down I will be right back
[01:54:46] <JJB> have to go out to the shop
[01:54:53] <JJB> give 5 minutes
[01:55:43] <fenn> mmm this "cnc toolkit" looks pretty sexy
[01:55:50] <fenn> http://www.rainnea.com/cnc_toolkit.htm
[01:56:54] <fenn> i wonder if it's gpl...
[01:59:23] <JJB> ok back
[01:59:33] <JJB> here is what it did
[02:00:59] <JJB> load Lnited.img load Vmliux Uncompressing
[02:01:05] <JJB> then I got this
[02:01:35] <JJB> invalid compressed format (err=1)
[02:01:39] <JJB> then this
[02:01:47] <JJB> crc error
[02:02:31] <fenn> okay so what it's doing is loading the compressed kernel image into memory and trying to uncompress it
[02:02:37] <fenn> and it blows up
[02:02:42] <JJB> yes
[02:03:04] <fenn> hrm.
[02:03:27] <fenn> i don't really know what options BDI gives you for installing cause i've never installed it myself
[02:04:04] <JJB> would I have to re format the drive
[02:04:26] <fenn> is this an old computer?
[02:04:26] <JJB> of maybe fdisc
[02:04:31] <JJB> yep
[02:04:40] <JJB> 166mhz
[02:04:52] <JJB> 96megs of ram
[02:05:22] <JJB> I was told that 2.2 would run the best on the older ones
[02:05:32] <fenn> sometimes there were programs that get loaded before the bios somehow in order to increase the maximum hard drive space
[02:06:32] <fenn> oh that's not it. the boot loader wouldn't have loaded
[02:07:03] <fenn> might as well bring the computer inside to fiddle with it
[02:07:26] <fenn> you can usually get some kind of menu at the boot loader to poke around with
[02:08:05] <JJB> the real bad part about this is I had it loaded earlyer today but it would not let me login at all so I reformated the harddrive and tryed to erload and the rest is history as they say
[02:08:36] <fenn> do you have any other spare computers lying around?
[02:08:53] <JJB> I think i have to look up and read this stuff before I hit the send button
[02:09:17] <fenn> heh
[02:09:25] <JJB> yes I have a pI 300
[02:09:53] <fenn> you could try installing it on that computer to see if it works
[02:09:58] <JJB> but it is loaded with Windos right now
[02:10:02] <fenn> ah
[02:10:11] <fenn> well, put a hard drive in it!
[02:10:15] <fenn> ;)
[02:10:20] <fenn> but seriously
[02:10:29] <JJB> but I can get rid off it
[02:10:31] <fenn> you should get a md5sum utility for windows first
[02:10:38] <JJB> I have it
[02:10:51] <JJB> But it does not work in XP
[02:11:19] <JJB> I guess it is that way because XP does not use Dos
[02:12:05] <JJB> once I get it running how do I tell it to check out the BDI
[02:12:58] <fenn> uh, does it open in a console window?
[02:13:07] <JJB> yes it does
[02:13:23] <fenn> try doing run: cmd
[02:13:29] <fenn> that gets you a command prompt
[02:13:49] <fenn> now cd to wherever you downloaded the program to (might be easier to move it all into c:)
[02:14:03] <fenn> and try typing the program name and then the file name of the bdi
[02:14:15] <JJB> in xp ok hang on let me open it up as we talk
[02:17:51] <fenn> boy these windows programs have pretty bad documentation
[02:18:38] <fenn> compared to EMC even :)
[02:18:51] <JJB> ok i opened it up and have a kurser flashing
[02:19:20] <JJB> yep
[02:19:39] <JJB> I will get the disc
[02:19:58] <fenn> it's not still on your hard drive?
[02:20:58] <JJB> yes it is but one one of the others on the net work
[02:22:12] <JJB> Fenn
[02:22:45] <fenn> * fenn blinks.
[02:23:23] <JJB> ok so how do I tell it to check it out
[02:24:05] <fenn> if it's on the network it will probably be easier to download it to the computer you're on
[02:24:17] <fenn> or switch to that computer
[02:25:14] <JJB> ok well i will have to go up staires
[02:25:23] <JJB> hang on ok
[02:25:33] <fenn> don't go quite yet
[02:25:48] <JJB> i will log off here and relog in from there
[02:25:51] <fenn> oh
[02:25:55] <fenn> righto
[02:26:05] <JJB> ok be right back
[02:26:56] <fenn> * fenn rolls his eyes.
[02:33:27] <fenn> * fenn taps his slowly numbing feet.
[02:35:22] <JJb> ok back
[02:35:25] <fenn> wb
[02:35:45] <fenn> so download md5sum on that computer if you haven't already
[02:36:06] <JJb> all done
[02:36:17] <fenn> then put them both in c:\ (md5sum and the BDI iso)
[02:36:29] <JJb> done
[02:36:55] <fenn> then run cmd
[02:37:09] <fenn> cd c:\ and then md5sum *.iso
[02:37:17] <JJb> so just type in cmd
[02:37:30] <JJb> you are fast
[02:37:32] <fenn> in the window that opened.. it's just a command line window
[02:37:54] <fenn> i've had a computer since about age 2
[02:39:12] <fenn> is it doing stuff? making horrendous clicking noises in your hard drive? mwahahaha
[02:42:38] <JJb> still waiting for it to do something
[02:43:50] <fenn> hm
[02:44:00] <fenn> it hasn't done anything..?
[02:44:23] <JJb> nope I
[02:44:46] <JJb> I will try and recopy it to the c:\ drive
[02:45:09] <fenn> actually try typing md5sum /?
[02:45:23] <fenn> that should give you a short help screen
[02:45:34] <Jymmm> md5sum --help
[02:45:37] <fenn> right
[02:45:51] <Jymmm> wont work on M$ --> /?
[02:46:02] <Jymmm> remember it's ported
[02:46:19] <fenn> actually i dont know what program you are using
[02:46:36] <fenn> could you paste the help screen here so i can see it?
[02:46:56] <fenn> oh that's jymmm
[02:47:00] <fenn> heh
[02:47:02] <Jymmm> it's md5sum -s downlaoded.md5
[02:47:15] <Jymmm> that'll verify the iso to the md5 file
[02:47:31] <fenn> yeah but he probably doesn't have an md5 file
[02:47:46] <Jymmm> like it takes a long time to download
[02:48:28] <fenn> actually i cant find a bdi 2.2 anywhere
[02:48:56] <JJb> I got it off of cnc kits page
[02:50:35] <JJb> ok did as you just said and still got nada
[02:51:10] <fenn> where is cnc kits (what's the address?)
[02:51:28] <JJb> ok here i will send it to you
[02:52:45] <JJb> http://www.linuxcnc.org/bdi/
[02:53:13] <JJb> I dot the Md5 from the same page 9Link )
[02:53:53] <fenn> with the puffy white clouds in the background right
[02:54:25] <fenn> i think i need to go to bed before i die of chronic depression
[02:56:47] <fenn> hmm that's funny i ran md5sum on my .iso and it's wrong
[02:57:58] <JJb> did you find the web page
[02:58:03] <fenn> yeah
[02:58:53] <fenn> so, you typed md5sum BDI-2.20b.iso
[02:58:57] <fenn> and it didn't do anything?
[02:59:13] <JJb> boy have been working on getting all my stuff now for 4 years now that I got it all I want to set it up and I can't get the BDI to load up
[02:59:31] <JJb> no I will try that
[02:59:38] <fenn> well, everything takes five times longer than you expect it to
[03:02:03] <JJb> ok here is what I am doing
[03:02:36] <JJb> flashing kerser no c Promp
[03:03:15] <JJb> cd c:\md5sum BDI 2.20b.iso
[03:03:38] <fenn> you have to do one command at a time
[03:03:49] <JJb> now I have no flashing promp
[03:04:23] <fenn> cd c:\ then hit enter
[03:04:26] <fenn> right?
[03:05:24] <JJb> ok did that
[03:05:32] <fenn> heh, okay.
[03:05:42] <fenn> now md5sum BDI-2.20b.is
[03:05:54] <fenn> don't forget the hyphen
[03:06:08] <fenn> i mean md5sum BDI-2.20b.iso
[03:06:39] <fenn> it should take about fifteen seconds and spit out a bunch of numbers and lettersss
[03:07:11] <fenn> it should say 7f57cea9fe320334aa0739dfc05a447f
[03:07:30] <JJb> nope
[03:07:45] <JJb> could it be because I am using XP
[03:07:51] <fenn> no
[03:08:31] <fenn> if it gives you 32 letters and they're different, then it means that the download got messed up and you have to download it again
[03:09:01] <JJb> I dont get a thing here Nada
[03:09:05] <JJb> Zip
[03:09:20] <JJb> promp just flashing
[03:09:36] <fenn> hmmm
[03:10:57] <fenn> i don't know what to tell you
[03:12:27] <JJb> ok I will tey and download the md5 from some where else
[03:13:10] <fenn> try this http://digestit.kennethballard.com/download.html
[03:14:40] <jerry> JJb: alink for windows dl, and a howto: http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php/How to download
[03:17:04] <fenn> jerry etree.org is broken
[03:20:39] <fenn> oh heh there are about ten other links on that page also n/m
[03:24:53] <JJb> Ok I just downloaded one called md5ssummer
[03:25:08] <JJb> it is for Windows
[03:25:26] <JJb> I will right back
[03:30:19] <fenn> ah i just love these stupid homemade turbine engine videos
[03:32:33] <Jymmm> it can take 10 minutes for it to verify the iso, just wait till it's done.
[03:50:14] <JJb> ok back I finally got it to work and it is the same number you gave me Fenn
[03:50:38] <JJb> may be the old computer can not load it up
[03:52:08] <JJb> ok thank you fenn for all your help
[03:52:49] <JJb> got to go have a good one all
[04:31:30] <fenn> okay so it takes 45 seconds to do an md5 sum of bdi-4.20 on my computerr
[04:39:51] <Jymmm> logger_aj,bookmark
[04:39:51] <Jymmm> See
[05:40:22] <fenn> erk
[05:40:43] <fenn> i hope this doesn't say what it think it says
[05:43:58] <fenn> carte_pos_fb aka actual position is always calculated from motor position? what about linear encoders and interferometers
[05:44:18] <fenn> code notes page 11
[06:37:18] <fenn> fenn is now known as fenn_afk
[07:18:17] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone know how to miser mandrel works?
[11:10:48] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as neyvn
[11:10:52] <neyvn> neyvn is now known as nevyn
[12:41:46] <rayh> Hey
[12:47:41] <les> hi ray
[12:47:45] <les> back home?
[12:48:13] <rayh> At Matt's
[12:48:20] <les> ah
[12:48:35] <rayh> I hear Paul may show up there before long.
[12:48:49] <les> yeah I expect himany time
[12:49:31] <les> He may be surprised how cold it is
[12:49:51] <les> may freezes at higher elevations
[12:50:53] <les> We will beat up segmentqueue a bit
[12:51:00] <rayh> Better you than me.
[12:51:11] <rayh> Raining off and on here.
[12:51:23] <les> well nice tody
[12:51:29] <les> pollen bothers me
[12:51:32] <les> and the cars
[12:51:47] <les> clogged radiators, air filters, etc
[12:52:17] <rayh> It was nasty with pollen at NIST.
[12:52:20] <les> so...
[12:52:33] <les> do you think anything got done?
[12:52:44] <rayh> Oh. Yes.
[12:52:48] <les> good
[12:53:05] <rayh> We don't seem to get as much coding done as we'd like
[12:53:30] <rayh> but the decisions to work the various branches into a single emc2 main
[12:53:42] <rayh> will get us all on the same track.
[12:53:49] <les> makes sense
[12:54:21] <rayh> Paul got pico drivers working with 2.6
[12:54:29] <les> oh good
[12:55:01] <rayh> Jon got a Live version of his software running here.
[12:55:27] <rayh> We plan to use his univpwm to run matt's hardinge.
[12:55:27] <les> well for me this week will determine whether emc will be used in a proposed commercial tool.
[12:55:41] <rayh> Good.
[12:55:49] <les> Have a router manufacturer visiting.
[12:56:11] <rayh> The move to emc2 is intended to duplicate current emc functionality with HAL
[12:56:11] <les> all depends on SQ
[12:56:33] <rayh> So this is a high speed machine?
[12:57:12] <les> yes in the 500-1000 ips range
[12:57:45] <rayh> SWP got a fix to the task and interp that speeds up restart.
[12:58:02] <les> SQ is actually working...it does not crash...but...
[12:58:08] <rayh> It will also attempt to keep the motion buffer filled.
[12:58:34] <les> it sometimes jerks momentarily when the queue empties....
[12:58:37] <les> and
[12:58:56] <les> it plans inapropriately slow moves sometimes.
[12:59:11] <les> the latter is mathand I will look at it closely
[12:59:15] <rayh> I read some discussion about that problem.
[12:59:32] <les> where?
[12:59:41] <rayh> Seems there was a sleep in there someplace
[13:00:21] <rayh> It would normally read only one block of g and then sleep until the next motion loop
[13:00:56] <rayh> but I'm not the best one to talk about it.
[13:01:07] <les> the first thing may not be a problem at all....some of my test programs may be motion plans where the points would pass by faster than the servo rate
[13:01:29] <les> we will check that
[13:01:31] <rayh> SWP and Fred decided to make that not sleep unless the buffer was full or an IO task had to be done.
[13:01:39] <les> hmm
[13:01:48] <les> might help!
[13:02:10] <les> wonder what the purpose of it was in the first place?
[13:02:16] <rayh> The idea was done for restart but it my help your issues as well.
[13:02:57] <rayh> I don't think the original code was intended for contouring
[13:03:02] <rayh> with very short moves.
[13:03:09] <les> right
[13:03:19] <les> well it is pretty old
[13:03:44] <rayh> You bet todd.
[13:04:22] <les> I guess the earlier stuff was what...early 90's?
[13:04:38] <rayh> In that age.
[13:05:13] <rayh> The tests were with a K&T hoorizontal and I don't think they had moldmaking in mind.
[13:05:17] <les> of course there was that peculiar cubic sub interpolation thing
[13:05:25] <les> that seems to not do much
[13:05:26] <rayh> Much less routing wood and soft materials.
[13:05:50] <rayh> Works fine on the likes of a Sherline
[13:06:13] <roltek> HOW IS THE RETROFIT GOING
[13:06:28] <les> yes no problems at .05 in/sec^2
[13:06:42] <rayh> When Paul gets here we should find SWP's update and get it running on your router.
[13:06:45] <les> big problems at 150 in/sec^2
[13:07:11] <les> oh is he coming over to matt;s?
[13:07:18] <les> oopps
[13:07:26] <rayh> The Harding is looking good. Got most of the old cables connected to screw terminals.
[13:07:52] <rayh> We should have some motion by night.
[13:08:14] <les> doing threading?
[13:08:18] <rayh> Then have to dig into all of the air motors and actuators for the tool changer.
[13:08:31] <rayh> No threading yet.
[13:10:08] <rayh> I'm hoping to bend Fred's fingers around the threading problem tomorrow.
[13:10:32] <les> I think threading=xxyz also
[13:10:39] <les> pretty much the same thing
[13:11:18] <rayh> We need to be able to initiate the thread/gearing with NML stuff
[13:12:38] <les> We have avoided the issue with the commercial router proposal by using a moving table
[13:12:53] <les> it is usually a less costly construction
[13:13:54] <rayh> Gantry or both xy table move
[13:14:19] <les> fixed gantry moving table x
[13:14:45] <les> that works ok if the machine is not too big
[13:15:14] <rayh> That is the same config Tony set up.
[13:15:42] <rayh> Takes a bit more space but is rock solid.
[13:15:49] <les> yes
[13:16:05] <les> it is good up to about 4x4' or so
[13:16:25] <les> after that the footprint gets a little big
[13:16:52] <les> and the table starts getting massive
[13:17:06] <les> table stiffness does not scale with size
[13:17:16] <rayh> I worked on a gantry grinder with 12' of travel.
[13:18:08] <les> pretty big
[13:18:14] <rayh> A little droop off the ends shouldn't affect accuracy at the cutting point though.
[13:19:25] <rayh> I know that sounds heritical.
[13:19:30] <rayh> sp
[13:19:58] <les> well only the motion needs to be stright
[13:20:19] <les> mine chabges with the weather a bit
[13:20:25] <les> changes
[13:20:47] <les> concrete slab and humidity...
[13:21:11] <les> constant rh inside though
[13:21:22] <les> but not the ground underneath
[13:21:50] <les> They did not put a moisture barrier in under the pour
[13:22:01] <les> I was a bit unhappy about that
[13:22:13] <les> but I was away while the slab was poured
[13:23:35] <rayh> Most concrete folk don't like a moisture barrier under the slab. Takes to long to finish.
[13:23:46] <les> I guess
[13:24:20] <les> hope it is stable a little while near the vert mill...
[13:24:31] <les> I am about to scrape it in
[13:24:52] <les> things have to stay very level
[13:25:10] <les> I have to say I am doing this for fun...
[13:25:30] <les> because scraping is generally not economically viable
[13:26:05] <dmess> good morning all
[13:26:26] <les> I have to check my straightedges on the lab grade plate
[13:26:34] <les> and see if they have moved
[13:26:45] <les> I have not used them in several years
[13:27:05] <dmess> high spot 'em first
[13:27:10] <les> last machine I did was the grinder
[13:27:42] <les> well I will do a straight down scrape on the mill
[13:28:02] <les> I have to mill up some dovetail templates first
[13:28:45] <les> only the saddle and table need done
[13:28:51] <dmess> ive used balls a guage blocks on dovetails before
[13:29:13] <les> yes I will be using precision ball
[13:29:30] <les> pretty standrd way to do it
[13:30:57] <dmess> there a robin out front trying to carry away 15 feet of spectra attatched to a tree..
[13:31:13] <les> heh
[13:31:16] <SWPadnos> that probably won't work
[13:31:18] <dmess> hes hit the end of the string 3 times so far.. what a hoot..
[13:31:21] <les> hello swp
[13:31:24] <SWPadnos> hiya
[13:31:29] <SWPadnos> is Paul there yet?
[13:32:00] <les> ray told me about your modifying the interpreter sleep?
[13:32:11] <SWPadnos> yep - it was Fred's idea
[13:32:20] <dmess> i should just go cut it off for him... he's earned it
[13:32:26] <rayh> SWPadnos, Hey you're home.
[13:32:33] <SWPadnos> the rescan times are around 15x faster on my P3 1GHz
[13:32:41] <SWPadnos> nope - I'm in a hotel in Boston
[13:33:01] <rayh> Yuck!
[13:33:02] <SWPadnos> the speedup would be less for slower machines, and more for faster ones
[13:33:28] <les> it may have an effect on segmenqueue running out
[13:33:49] <SWPadnos> shouldn't - but the motion planner cycle time is set from within the .ini file
[13:34:00] <SWPadnos> you could reduce that and see what happens
[13:34:11] <les> we get little pauses and motionid=0 messagase
[13:34:38] <dmess> repetetive???
[13:34:43] <les> yes
[13:34:49] <dmess> cyclic??
[13:34:53] <les> no
[13:35:03] <les> seemingly not
[13:35:12] <dmess> buffer purge??
[13:35:14] <SWPadnos> change the CYCLE_TIME in the [TASK] section ( I think)
[13:35:33] <SWPadnos> it's usually 0.01 seconds - make it 0.005 or 0.002 and see what happens
[13:35:43] <SWPadnos> you will turn task into a CPU hog though
[13:35:46] <les> We have messed with that a good bit but will do so some more with the newer code
[13:35:59] <dmess> cycles need to never cross at 0
[13:36:14] <SWPadnos> the new code won't affect anything when the machine is running - it's only when rescanning the file to restart
[13:36:37] <les> I have run it as low as .001
[13:37:02] <SWPadnos> the same as your servo update cycle? (or did you have the update faster?)
[13:37:18] <les> no twice the servo time
[13:37:27] <les> it has to be at least twice
[13:37:29] <SWPadnos> OK - so servos were at 2KHz
[13:37:33] <les> right
[13:37:41] <SWPadnos> what speed machine?
[13:38:00] <les> old 200 K6
[13:38:07] <SWPadnos> that'll never wotk :)
[13:38:09] <SWPadnos> work
[13:38:30] <les> it's at .0005 now!
[13:38:43] <SWPadnos> remember - the servo update is a periodic process, the task cycle is apause between executions
[13:39:01] <SWPadnos> so the overall task cycle time is the execution time plus the cycle time
[13:39:06] <SWPadnos> (setting)
[13:39:16] <les> I do not remember what the task time is set at...
[13:39:22] <les> let me go out and check
[13:39:38] <SWPadnos> if SQ takes a lot of processing time, then the effective task cycle will be long (0.001 plus the execution tie)
[13:39:41] <SWPadnos> tiem0
[13:39:43] <SWPadnos> skfhldgliuvsndg
[13:39:45] <SWPadnos> time
[13:39:55] <SWPadnos> (there - take THAT you stupid keyboard :) )
[13:42:16] <rayh> typoing test again?
[13:43:14] <rayh> Hi Steve
[13:43:25] <SWPadnos> hi Steve(2)
[13:43:59] <stevestallings> Morning Ray, SWP
[13:44:53] <stevestallings> Ray, how goes the HNC adventure?
[13:44:54] <les> I am at .005/.0005 right now SWP
[13:44:58] <les> hi steve
[13:45:20] <stevestallings> Mornnig Les
[13:45:58] <SWPadnos> OK - I wonder how much work the K6 can do in that time (ie, can it calculate enough motion segments for he 10+ servo updates in 5 ms)
[13:46:33] <les> to test that we will run at long times and look for differences
[13:47:21] <les> We did that a good bit before
[13:47:30] <les> but the code has changed a lot
[13:47:37] <SWPadnos> it could be 50 servo cycles that it's planning for - if the task process takes 32 ms to run, the period will be 32 (working)+5 (pausing)
[13:47:51] <les> yes
[13:48:26] <SWPadnos> though we may be talking about two different things here
[13:48:38] <les> Fred ran the machine time at 2:1 task: servo a good bit here
[13:48:58] <les> but the math was so messed up in SQ at the time...it did not help
[13:49:01] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:49:06] <les> a lot of the math was fixed
[13:49:14] <SWPadnos> gotta run for a few
[13:49:18] <les> k
[13:49:21] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[13:49:36] <rayh> stevestallings, Making some progress on the lathe. Wiring fixup between old and new.
[13:49:55] <rayh> design of panel buttons and such.
[13:50:16] <stevestallings> Were you lucky enough to have a wiring diagram of the old, or just trace it out?
[13:50:25] <rayh> John's software and parport link came up beautifully.
[13:50:35] <rayh> jon's
[13:51:08] <rayh> Much of the wiring came from my memory.
[13:51:19] <rayh> Matt's just got the troubleshooting books.
[13:51:26] <stevestallings> Oh dear 8-)
[13:51:59] <rayh> My memory is old but it still works for most of this machine.
[13:53:08] <stevestallings> Were most of the HNC's equipped with the GE controls?
[13:53:27] <rayh> I believe so.
[13:53:35] <les> I had two that had bandit
[13:53:42] <stevestallings> I have some docs on AB controls for the HNC.
[13:53:45] <dmess> 550 or 1050?? 200
[13:53:50] <les> they were retro'd chuckers though
[13:54:31] <rayh> The 1050 version was designated CHNC IMO
[13:54:46] <rayh> Got three of those in the garage.
[13:55:12] <rayh> Full DC spindle was the biggest difference.
[13:55:41] <stevestallings> One might think that in the UP a garage might actually have cars in it.
[13:55:41] <les> I gave mine away...too heavy to move
[13:55:44] <les> also
[13:55:46] <dmess> we had na excello mill ge1050 and one 550
[13:55:52] <les> the spindle bore was small
[13:56:20] <rayh> The SO thinks it ought to have space for cars.
[13:56:48] <les> space for cars? What's that?
[13:56:49] <rayh> I suggested adding on but her thought was that would just make room for more junk.
[13:57:10] <stevestallings> She knows you well... 8-)
[13:57:21] <rayh> Yes she does.
[13:57:38] <les> I have the dedicated shop but the garage has a tractor in it.
[13:58:11] <rayh> I was a bit concerned during fest when Fred said he had no clue how to
[13:58:22] <stevestallings> Ray, full DC spindle was featured on GE or AB?
[13:58:23] <les> I don't think I ever owned a car that got to sleep inside.
[13:58:45] <rayh> allign single point threading on subsequent passes.
[13:59:10] <stevestallings> Subsequent passes are just the same as first with an offset.
[13:59:23] <rayh> Right.
[13:59:27] <anonimasu> hello everyon
[13:59:28] <anonimasu> e
[13:59:38] <les> hello anon
[13:59:43] <anonimasu_> anonimasu_ is now known as anonimasu
[13:59:45] <stevestallings> We (Fred, Josh, and I) did some talking about approach traj planning during lunch one day.
[13:59:58] <anonimasu> finally back from the lan party we arranged
[14:00:31] <rayh> What were the conclusions, stevestallings?
[14:02:31] <stevestallings> Workable as a planned move to within a tolerance band, then jump to geared mode with hopefully minimal servo jerk.
[14:04:02] <rayh> Okay.
[14:04:40] <rayh> Would think that is easier with servos than steppers.
[14:04:48] <les> slowing down the spindle for a sec would help with the jerk
[14:05:11] <stevestallings> I think they faced the same sort of problems with servo jerk when entering world mode in a hexapod.
[14:05:42] <rayh> Ah.
[14:05:49] <stevestallings> In EMC steppers are just funky servos 8-)
[14:06:23] <rayh> The trick would be not to overrun the stepper motor during the jerk
[14:07:13] <les> I'm wondering if I should real quick order a fast MB for paul to mess with
[14:07:19] <les> this look ok?
[14:07:22] <stevestallings> Les, my take is that the math and smoothness would be best with constant spindle speed.
[14:07:24] <rayh> Mornin Dave.
[14:07:35] <dave-e> hi there
[14:07:40] <dave-e> long time no see
[14:07:58] <les> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=515536&CatId=1145
[14:07:59] <dave-e> so where are you now?
[14:08:08] <rayh> long time no she!
[14:08:14] <rayh> Matt's
[14:08:19] <dave-e> maybe that too
[14:08:31] <les> steve, if you had a controlled ramp up period yes
[14:08:44] <les> otherwise you have a singularity
[14:11:09] <stevestallings> We were assuming that spindle was running constant speed. Then compute the X and Z approach based on distance to go and accel limits. Target within xx% of entry point. Finish approach by jumping to geared mode (singularity?). Begin cut in geared mode.
[14:11:39] <les> hmm
[14:12:03] <rayh> les, What'd you have in mind for the ISA motherboard?
[14:12:15] <les> well just so a certain finite time is allowed for lock in
[14:12:59] <les> ray, we can test computer speed issues by just doing slow programs, but I could just as well pop in a fast isa board
[14:13:12] <les> perhaps less time wasted testing?
[14:13:21] <rayh> Right.
[14:14:01] <rayh> The board we used for the HNC here is a single ISA with a 370 processor.
[14:14:07] <les> soyo socket 370 and 478 ring any warning bells?
[14:15:27] <les> here's a cheap 370:
[14:15:30] <les> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=281275&CatId=1122
[14:15:52] <rayh> The 370 works great with Via 800 procs.
[14:15:58] <les> perhaps I ought to just grab one of those right away
[14:16:20] <les> no info on soyo though?
[14:16:52] <rayh> You'd have to ask Matt where he got this board. Computer geeks has one similar.
[14:16:52] <les> Do you know exactly which mb you are using there right now?
[14:17:04] <rayh> brb
[14:17:05] <les> oh ok
[14:17:24] <les> Matt, where did you get your board?
[14:17:27] <les> heh
[14:18:12] <rayh> M6VLR
[14:18:45] <les> VIA M6VLR?
[14:18:46] <rayh> Matt's away with his kids.
[14:19:58] <rayh> looks like biostar
[14:20:30] <les> oh...those soyo boards I showed are via chipsets
[14:21:08] <rayh> We had no problems with a LIVE install.
[14:21:50] <rayh> parport link to pico was perfect as was the bsof ISA io board.
[14:22:32] <les> M6VLR has no isa slot
[14:22:48] <rayh> Does here.
[14:23:08] <les> ?
[14:23:36] <punk84> in tkemc when i press the home button (z-axis) it homes to -2.5 instead of 0 any ideas? (newb)
[14:23:38] <les> http://www.biostar.com.tw/products/mainboard/board.php?name=M6VLR
[14:24:15] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[14:24:24] <SWPadnos> Tiger direct looks a bit expensive
[14:24:35] <les> unless it is "amr"...i don't know what that is
[14:24:44] <rayh> http://www.baber.com/baber/411/biostar_m6vlr.htm
[14:24:53] <SWPadnos> amr is a modem socket, I think
[14:25:18] <rayh> The board does have an amr slot.
[14:25:30] <les> what th'
[14:25:33] <rayh> I've used the softmodem with it
[14:26:20] <les> Guess I could get the m6vlr with the isa as opposed to the m6vlr without one heh
[14:27:15] <punk84> x and y zero out but no luck with z : (
[14:29:20] <les> uh oh
[14:29:53] <SWPadnos> les: how many ISA slots do you need?
[14:30:55] <les> just one
[14:31:50] <les> if this m6vlr is known to work with emc/stg then that's the safe bet
[14:31:55] <les> price seems high
[14:35:28] <les> later when Matt gets in I need to know the processor
[14:35:29] <SWPadnos> http://www.gearxs.com/gearxs/product_info.php?products_id=3583
[14:36:48] <les> oooh that'e a nice price
[14:36:54] <les> socket a hmmm
[14:37:33] <les> with 1.33 athlon?
[14:39:06] <SWPadnos> the athlons are pretty cheap these days
[14:40:05] <les> looking for that in a barebones
[14:40:05] <punk84> punk84 is now known as punk84_afk
[14:43:20] <les> I will check with matt later...I think I ought to grab one of those
[14:43:54] <les> hate to pull the stg much though...I think those gold edge connectors last about 10 insertions
[14:45:35] <dave-e> les ... you noticed that vsi is going to have a 4 channel board soon?
[14:45:59] <les> yeah
[14:46:17] <les> I think the price of the motenc kinda got upped huh?
[14:46:37] <dave-e> oh... I haven't checked!
[14:46:50] <les> let's see
[14:47:41] <les> $650
[14:47:51] <les> was 570?
[14:48:36] <les> Still not sure if it is 100% bug free
[14:48:57] <dave-e> that is what we are going to find out at integration...
[14:49:06] <les> paul and I might go to that guy in atlanta near here running one
[14:49:20] <les> I have to buy a mill from him anyway
[14:49:20] <dave-e> good idea
[14:49:40] <dave-e> BP?
[14:49:51] <les> yeah...we might do that...he is only 100 miles from here
[14:50:07] <les> prob BP
[14:50:13] <les> he has several
[14:50:30] <les> $1000 or less for series II
[14:50:39] <rayh> 100 miles. I drive that far for a good oriental dinner!
[14:50:50] <dave-e> I'd go for the II at that rate...lots more mill
[14:51:02] <dave-e> I like stiffness
[14:51:08] <les> He said he would deliver too
[14:51:14] <dave-e> even better
[14:51:32] <les> would like some emc help
[14:51:40] <dave-e> well ray...we're having cashew chicken this evening
[14:51:43] <les> always good to get the price down
[14:52:25] <les> he gets em for pract nothing
[14:52:57] <les> kilobuck and he hauls a series II up here?
[14:53:01] <les> works for me.
[14:53:09] <rayh> Gotta get to work here. Catch you all later.
[14:53:16] <les> k ray
[14:53:27] <les> is matt coming in later?
[14:53:39] <rayh> I think so.
[14:53:48] <les> ok I will check later
[14:54:00] <les> before ordering anything
[14:55:03] <les> I have hired a part time machinist and we seem to be making several identical parts at a time
[14:55:19] <les> so I figured a second mill would be in order
[14:56:17] <les> the router can do some metal...but it is set up for production
[15:00:39] <dave-e> les...vsi's main board went up but the enc/dac board went down.
[15:00:51] <les> hmm
[15:01:13] <dave-e> one can use opto-22 G4PB24's for the rest of the I/O
[15:01:51] <les> let me check the enc/dac one...
[15:02:12] <dave-e> IDC5 modules for in and OAC5's for 120 v output to drive solenoids
[15:02:25] <dave-e> $45
[15:02:36] <les> oh the breakout board
[15:02:41] <dave-e> for the enc/dac
[15:02:48] <les> k
[15:03:54] <dave-e> I finally located more roller limit switches ... so soon I will have enough to do the cincinatti limits correctly...
[15:03:59] <les> IF we fix SQ I need to get with Abdul about some serious talking concerning 4 axis board quan pricing
[15:04:21] <les> If we don't fix SQ.....we're dead in the water.
[15:04:36] <dave-e> then I can test the motenc with it
[15:04:47] <les> yeah.
[15:04:54] <dave-e> les....well that gives you lots of incentive
[15:05:07] <les> sure does
[15:05:14] <dave-e> did you dig your way thru sonja.ps?
[15:05:48] <les> I just don't want to market a me too machine with expensive commercial controllers on it
[15:06:07] <dave-e> so sq needs to work
[15:06:10] <les> yeah I have read her paper
[15:06:20] <dave-e> any good ideas there?
[15:06:41] <les> only two things we know of with sq:
[15:06:59] <les> motionid=0 messages and
[15:07:24] <les> sometimes to slow vel planning for some segments
[15:07:34] <dave-e> k
[15:07:46] <les> Well her paper is mostly about time optimal rt planning
[15:08:00] <les> I take issue with doing it all hard rt
[15:08:17] <dave-e> maybe she thought she had to....
[15:08:28] <dave-e> or it is more impressive
[15:08:33] <les> time optimal quintic could be taxing
[15:08:45] <dave-e> indeed
[15:08:58] <les> course they propose some efficient algos there
[15:09:20] <dave-e> good algorithms beat processor power any time
[15:09:27] <les> yeah
[15:09:35] <les> and quintic is good
[15:09:42] <les> i'll settle for cubic
[15:09:52] <les> but would like better
[15:10:40] <les> I can't settle for a hurky jerky trapezoidal though.
[15:11:37] <dave-e> can you do sigmoid | sin
[15:12:14] <les> one could
[15:12:24] <dave-e> scaled lookup tables are fast
[15:12:40] <les> but I think sin functions have problems with end conditions
[15:12:56] <dave-e> I don't know enought to disagree
[15:12:58] <SWPadnos> gotta run - checkout time
[15:13:03] <SWPadnos> see you all later
[15:13:09] <les> bye SWP
[15:14:03] <les> Well one nice thing about a sin is that acel is also a sin
[15:14:06] <les> -sin
[15:14:23] <dave-e> les...well anyway you have your work cut out for you
[15:14:33] <les> yeah
[15:14:51] <les> It should not take long to at least come to a decision
[15:15:03] <dave-e> and jerk become the driv of -sin
[15:15:04] <les> fixable or hopeless
[15:15:25] <les> yes jerk is -cos
[15:15:42] <dave-e> oh duh...been too long
[15:15:46] <les> heh
[15:16:11] <dave-e> almost 50 years and I wasn't good at it then
[15:16:36] <les> But it appears that odd order polynomials are always chosen
[15:16:40] <les> symmetry
[15:16:54] <les> I taught it.
[15:17:14] <les> forgot a lot though.
[15:17:24] <dave-e> so that is why no one is talking about quartic
[15:17:30] <dave-e> brb
[15:17:43] <les> right....non symetrical end conditions
[15:17:48] <les> k
[15:19:55] <dave-e> learn something every day if I'm not careful
[15:22:22] <dave-e> I'll be interested in how the M6V board works out
[15:22:59] <dave-e> I'm going to bail...catch you later
[17:16:54] <punk84_afk> punk84_afk is now known as punk84
[17:40:59] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[17:41:41] <alex_joni> greetings
[17:42:36] <anonimasu> hey alex
[17:43:12] <alex_joni> what's new anders?
[17:43:57] <anonimasu> not much been arranging a lan the whole weekend
[17:44:48] <alex_joni> heh
[17:44:49] <alex_joni> nice
[17:45:08] <alex_joni> I'm in the mountains again.. poor network connection;)
[17:46:15] <anonimasu> :)
[17:46:38] <alex_joni> gotta keep a hand on my cell .. acting as an antenna ;)
[17:47:31] <anonimasu> lol
[17:47:33] <anonimasu> healthy
[17:48:10] <alex_joni> yeah
[17:48:22] <alex_joni> but it's 450MHz so it should beok
[17:48:35] <alex_joni> my typing sux however :(
[17:49:31] <anonimasu> :(
[17:49:48] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[17:50:35] <alex_joni> hey john
[17:50:42] <alex_joni> how was fest?
[17:51:07] <jmkasunich> pretty good
[17:51:16] <alex_joni> nice to hear that
[17:51:19] <jmkasunich> didn't get as much actual work accomplished as I hoped
[17:51:37] <jmkasunich> network connection got turned off at 5pm each day, and we had do leave at 7pm
[17:51:49] <jmkasunich> I do my best work in the late night and early morning hours it seems
[17:51:51] <alex_joni> will you (or smbdy else) populate the tasks at SF?
[17:52:25] <jmkasunich> tasks?
[17:52:44] <alex_joni> yeah.. on the tracker
[17:52:55] <jmkasunich> oh... yeah, should do that
[17:53:16] <jmkasunich> right now I'm just trying to recover - get computers reinstalled here and net connected, etc
[17:53:18] <alex_joni> I think that would be usefull to keep some tracking
[17:53:28] <jmkasunich> ray was taking notes on the wiki
[17:53:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wouldn't mind getting some assigned
[17:53:42] <alex_joni> I know
[17:54:15] <jmkasunich> how much do you know about building kernel modules in a kernel 2.6 environment?
[17:54:50] <alex_joni> not much.. yet
[17:54:59] <jmkasunich> getting the emc2 build system to work for 2.6 is a big step
[17:55:20] <alex_joni> but that's about the same I know about autoconf when I started with that
[17:55:30] <alex_joni> s/know/knew
[17:55:33] <jmkasunich> Paul probably knows more than any of us because of his work on the bdi-4 branch, but he's gonna be traveling for another couple of weeks
[17:55:59] <alex_joni> yeah.. but I think he could answer some questions once in a while
[17:56:15] <alex_joni> I REALLY need to install a 2.6
[17:56:16] <jmkasunich> Paul and I managed to get BDI-4.20 installled on a compile farm slot
[17:56:31] <alex_joni> think I'll go with 4.20
[17:56:48] <jmkasunich> I'm hoping to get the compile farm out of the truck and back online today
[17:57:01] <alex_joni> nice
[17:57:30] <alex_joni> I'll be home tomorrow night.. so till then all I can do is document myself :(
[17:58:07] <jmkasunich> I wonder if we should start a branch to get the build system working, so it doesn't disrupt any work being done on head?
[17:58:37] <alex_joni> or use one of the existing
[17:58:53] <alex_joni> I know that's not optimal (naming wise)
[17:58:59] <jmkasunich> could use your old autoconf branch, it's already set up on the farm
[17:59:11] <alex_joni> but the ones who do the work could keep in mind
[17:59:16] <alex_joni> sure
[17:59:23] <jmkasunich> (in fact if we don't use that one, I should remove it from the farm so it doesn't waste time and bandwidth)
[17:59:55] <alex_joni> auto_configure_0_1 branch
[18:00:04] <alex_joni> sounds ok to me
[18:00:14] <jmkasunich> I'm also gonna re-arrange things, so that EMC2 head is at the top of the farm listing... to reflect the fact that we're focusing our effort on emc2
[18:00:28] <alex_joni> right ;)
[18:00:33] <anonimasu> sounds good
[18:00:33] <anonimasu> :)
[18:01:01] <jmkasunich> my only concern about reusing that branch is how do we make sure it matches the head?
[18:01:20] <alex_joni> I'll bring it up to sync
[18:02:16] <jmkasunich> sounds like a plan
[18:02:21] <alex_joni> jmk: any other things to report besides http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ProgrammerDecisions_Fest_2005
[18:02:55] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich reads
[18:02:55] <alex_joni> what does : Task - Modify auto configuration for EMC 2 build : mean?
[18:04:19] <jmkasunich> not sure... I suspect configure.in will require a few tiny changes to support kbuild on 2.6
[18:04:33] <alex_joni> right.. well that's ok :)
[18:04:49] <alex_joni> one question, I just read that you used emc2 on a minimill
[18:05:02] <alex_joni> did you use ioControl ?
[18:05:16] <alex_joni> to turn the spindle on/off?
[18:05:33] <jmkasunich> nope, just plain EMC2 (that's been working since last year)
[18:05:56] <jmkasunich> the sherline doesn't use any real I/O
[18:06:03] <alex_joni> afaik last year you only had simiocontrol
[18:06:10] <jmkasunich> the machine they had there had limit switches, but we didn't use them
[18:06:18] <jmkasunich> spindle control is manual, etc
[18:06:20] <alex_joni> right
[18:06:37] <jmkasunich> the test was really just to prove to Ray that EMC2 actually worked
[18:06:42] <alex_joni> ok.. was wondering if the simple iocontrol I did, works
[18:06:47] <jmkasunich> (he has never seen it run)
[18:06:52] <alex_joni> heh
[18:07:07] <Jymmm> what drives does sherline come with?
[18:07:38] <jmkasunich> I think they use a xylotex variant
[18:07:46] <Jymmm> ah
[18:08:32] <Jymmm> I was considering buying a sherline mill, but I'd love to get my hands on one first.
[18:11:14] <Jymmm> they have WAY too many accessories... I gets confused =)
[18:25:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni will be in later
[18:51:07] <Bowika> is there any way to execute emc2 on simple text console without X? I'd like to use the loading of g code files and all functions that the tkemc enviroment has.
[19:06:58] <Bowika> is there any way to execute emc2 on simple text console without X? I'd like to use the loading of g code files and all functions that the tkemc enviroment has.
[19:19:24] <cradek> in emc1 there was a text-mode frontend called keystick
[19:19:35] <cradek> I don't know if anyone has ported it over yet. probably not.
[20:28:11] <fifty_ohm-afk> fifty_ohm-afk is now known as fifty_ohm
[20:30:39] <robin_sz> meep?
[20:31:01] <jmkasunich> hello
[20:31:07] <robin_sz> ahh, jon
[20:31:12] <robin_sz> goodevening
[20:31:19] <robin_sz> how was the fest?
[20:31:28] <jmkasunich> jon would be Mr. Elson
[20:31:33] <jmkasunich> john is me
[20:31:38] <robin_sz> ah yes
[20:31:53] <jmkasunich> how was fest? fun, tiring, somewhat frustrating
[20:32:24] <robin_sz> I saw some news, mainly it said "business as usual" from what I could make out
[20:32:38] <jmkasunich> a true working event needs to be held at a site where the network doesn't go down at 5pm and you don't get kicked out at 7pm
[20:32:47] <robin_sz> true
[20:32:57] <jmkasunich> not "business as usual"
[20:33:11] <robin_sz> oh, well, I only saw one thing, that was on the wiki
[20:33:28] <robin_sz> there was nothing earth-sahttering from what I oculd see
[20:33:39] <jmkasunich> robin is trolling again
[20:34:35] <robin_sz> no
[20:35:19] <jmkasunich> I wasn't expecting
[20:35:21] <jmkasunich> oops
[20:35:26] <robin_sz> the only news ive seen was on the wiki, there was nothing earth shattering, thats not a troll
[20:35:41] <jmkasunich> I wasn't expecting "earth shattering" nor was anyone else (I hope)
[20:35:56] <robin_sz> true enough
[20:36:00] <robin_sz> so ..
[20:36:18] <robin_sz> was the news on the wiki about accurate?
[20:36:23] <robin_sz> or was there more ?
[20:36:54] <jmkasunich> much of it was people hashing out their views of what emc needs to become, etc
[20:37:01] <robin_sz> right
[20:37:06] <jmkasunich> hard to summarize for a wiki page
[20:37:12] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[20:37:36] <robin_sz> I saw that "motion control" was going to be hal-ified
[20:37:55] <robin_sz> there was some discussion here as to exactly what "motion control" encompassed
[20:38:29] <jmkasunich> one thing is painfully clear, every single person who does anything with emc has their own ideas how stuff should work
[20:38:42] <jmkasunich> most of which are incompatible with each other
[20:38:49] <robin_sz> ahh
[20:39:09] <robin_sz> so ... is "the board" going to provide some leadership here?
[20:39:18] <jmkasunich> some are just silly, and for the most part the people with those ideas can be educated
[20:39:24] <robin_sz> infact what became of the board?
[20:39:34] <jmkasunich> but in other cases, there may be two completely different ways to do things, and neither is clearly the best
[20:40:14] <jmkasunich> little/no board activity there (as in "the _board_ says this or that"), most decisions were by concensus of everyone in the room, board or not
[20:40:54] <robin_sz> was there any decision to try and rid the codebase of some of the 700 line switch/case madness yet?
[20:41:10] <jmkasunich> you mean the switches that handle NML messages?
[20:41:15] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:41:23] <jmkasunich> no
[20:41:26] <robin_sz> ahh.
[20:41:38] <jmkasunich> NML is going to be with EMC for a while at least
[20:41:54] <robin_sz> I dont have a problem with NML
[20:42:09] <robin_sz> just the implementation
[20:42:32] <robin_sz> anyway, seems ther si no will to change it, so I'll drop it.
[20:42:57] <robin_sz> what other topics came up? segmot?
[20:43:05] <jmkasunich> "will" needs to be accompanied with time and effort
[20:43:15] <robin_sz> true enough
[20:43:27] <jmkasunich> changing NML offers less benefit per unit work than some other areas
[20:43:56] <jmkasunich> in the long run tho I believe there is a strong desire to simplify / genericize the NML vocabulary
[20:43:59] <robin_sz> but few would be prepared to commit time and effrot when others (with lots of spare time and effrot) are pulling in the other direction ...
[20:44:06] <robin_sz> ahhm thats good then
[20:44:23] <robin_sz> anyway, moving on from NML ...
[20:44:27] <jmkasunich> ie. SET_PARAM(param, value) rather than SET_FOO(value), SET_BAR(value), etc
[20:44:35] <robin_sz> right
[20:44:38] <robin_sz> thats a good step
[20:45:00] <robin_sz> so .. what of segmot?
[20:45:02] <jmkasunich> IMO the first and most inportant thing is to work toward a common codebase
[20:45:09] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[20:45:28] <robin_sz> and stop pouring effort into emc1
[20:45:30] <jmkasunich> getting emc2(head) to compile on 2.6 kernels is absolutely neccesary
[20:46:06] <robin_sz> guess os
[20:46:07] <robin_sz> so
[20:46:23] <robin_sz> module build is so much easier on a 2.6 kernel
[20:47:04] <jmkasunich> oops, gotta go - dinner's on
[20:47:46] <robin_sz> 'k
[21:14:33] <Phydbleep> jmkasunich: robin_sz: would it help to have someone (machineless at the moment) doing test builds?
[21:14:45] <robin_sz> me?
[21:14:52] <Phydbleep> Both of you?
[21:14:58] <robin_sz> oh dont ask me
[21:15:07] <robin_sz> I forget why I hang around here
[21:15:35] <robin_sz> I gave up on emc soem while ago now, I just hang around for the general maching/coding stuff :)
[21:15:39] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep was wondering about the 4.20 tag for the latest BDI.. :)
[21:17:12] <Phydbleep> 4.20 + 'short term memory loss' makes perfect sense now. :)
[21:18:45] <robin_sz> jmkasunich has a "build farm" for the various variants anyway
[21:19:03] <robin_sz> there is some sort of automated checkout and build process
[21:19:39] <Phydbleep> Damn it robin_sz .. you waited till I got 99% of the question re-typed to answer that. :)
[21:19:47] <robin_sz> tee hhe
[21:20:24] <robin_sz> I committed the first few versions of g200x to the sourceforge CVS over the weekend
[21:20:40] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has all sorts of obsolete crap hardware to test software on.
[21:20:43] <robin_sz> minus the FPGA config
[21:21:08] <robin_sz> havent quite decided what to do with that
[21:22:48] <robin_sz> I even put up a wiki as the home page
[21:24:08] <Phydbleep> Cool! :)
[21:25:10] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep hears silence and wonders what kind of trouble the child is about to get into...
[21:26:01] <robin_sz> eek
[21:26:12] <robin_sz> thats the worst sign of trouble
[21:27:13] <Phydbleep> 3-1/2 year old daughter.. Silence means the cat is about to get a new hairdo or she's trying to cook something. :)
[21:27:36] <robin_sz> yep
[21:27:42] <robin_sz> quite possibly the cat!
[21:28:05] <robin_sz> I have 3 boys, 2,3 and 5
[21:28:46] <Phydbleep> Oh you poor so-and-so... You made the ultimate mistake and let them outnumber you...
[21:29:25] <Phydbleep> And you're old enough that you should know what causes that by now. :)
[21:29:29] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. :)
[21:30:03] <robin_sz> well, yes
[21:30:10] <robin_sz> life can be "interesting"
[21:30:29] <robin_sz> how can I describe it ... hmm ... have you seen "Diehard"?
[21:30:58] <Phydbleep> Too late for you to even yell "Rape!" and be believed. :)
[21:31:25] <robin_sz> hehe
[22:14:49] <Phydbleep> Is there an 'anaconda-ks.cfg' or an equivalent for building a box for emc2?
[22:15:34] <Phydbleep> Or should I just futz with it till it works?
[22:18:25] <robin_sz> something along those linse
[22:18:28] <robin_sz> or ..
[22:18:31] <robin_sz> better still,
[22:18:39] <robin_sz> how about a nice cup of tea?
[22:19:51] <Phydbleep> Well, I had to wipe the last build attempt after it kept insisting it was a toaster and that I wasn't eating enough toast..
[22:21:58] <Phydbleep> I guess that's what I get for threatening to turn it into a toaster-oven all those times..