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[00:06:06] <Jymmm> Phydbleep you never know, goats might like brass
[01:06:59] <A-L-P-H-A> :( there goes this part.
[01:23:07] <Jymmm> ground a lil too much?
[01:28:18] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, no... I kinda didn't think about some stuff... so I reprositioned the part, and messed up.
[01:30:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess I "could" try and reposition the part, and see if I true it up again...
[01:32:57] <Jymmm> manual or cnc ?
[01:33:19] <A-L-P-H-A> CNC... retrofited.
[01:33:35] <Jymmm> well, that sucks
[01:33:58] <A-L-P-H-A> well... the material costs is maybe a few bucks.
[01:34:09] <A-L-P-H-A> but it was all that time I put into it today. heh.
[01:34:09] <Jymmm> Ti ?
[01:34:33] <A-L-P-H-A> no. cold rolled steel.
[01:34:39] <Jymmm> * Jymmm kicks Phydbleep in the shins! You just had to post that url didn't ya?!
[01:34:43] <Jymmm> ah
[01:35:52] <A-L-P-H-A> didn't you learn that in highschool?
[01:37:08] <A-L-P-H-A> probably gonna do this too first...
[01:42:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I can type complete sentences. really. I can.
[01:45:49] <Jymmm> I graduated HS at 15
[01:46:05] <Jymmm> take a test and got the fuck out
[01:46:20] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[01:46:28] <Jymmm> took a test and got the fuck out
[01:46:41] <Jymmm> but I was talking about the tricks
[01:46:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I finished at 17.
[01:46:54] <jmkasunich> knew a kid that was a college sophomore at 16...
[01:47:08] <jmkasunich> also a complete loony
[01:47:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know that shit. sophomore junior, whatever.
[01:47:21] <Jymmm> HS was such a PITA
[01:47:25] <jmkasunich> wound up in a rubber room
[01:47:51] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, hey... that spindle was going great! till I repositioned the part.
[01:47:52] <A-L-P-H-A> :/
[01:48:06] <jmkasunich> oops
[01:48:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I was machining the spindle... and didn't really think on how I was going to machine it.
[01:48:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I just kinda went at it...
[01:49:03] <A-L-P-H-A> argh. oh ohwell. buy another few feet of steel.
[01:49:18] <jmkasunich> well, beats my progress... I'll still be planning mine 3 months from now most likely
[01:50:00] <Jymmm> jmkasunich sound like me... overthinking things
[01:50:06] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich sometimes suffers from "analysis paralysis"
[01:50:15] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, I'm doing what Les suggested... drill, ream, and what you suggested, use a dead centre. I just put in 1/8" drill rod into the tailstock/collet holder.
[01:50:21] <Jymmm> jmkasunich aka... anal cranium
[01:51:12] <jmkasunich> yeah... engineers gotta be anal
[01:51:54] <jmkasunich> 4000 fscking parts in something, and it only takes one screwed up detail on one part to mess up the whole thing
[01:52:11] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, but this only has... like 6 parts.
[01:52:11] <jmkasunich> drives you to be anal about details (or drives you to drink)
[01:52:31] <jmkasunich> still lots of details
[01:52:33] <A-L-P-H-A> 3 bearings, two nuts, one set screw... + housing (housing, and a locking collar probably.
[01:52:36] <Jymmm> jmkasunich D) All the above
[01:54:58] <Jymmm> ok, dumb question.... whats the middle thingy for?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4185
[01:55:26] <jmkasunich> finding the center of round stuff
[01:55:36] <jmkasunich> say you have a 3" round bar
[01:55:51] <jmkasunich> place the bar in the V, so the square blade crosses the end
[01:55:58] <jmkasunich> make a mark along the blade
[01:55:59] <Jymmm> ah, cool
[01:56:04] <jmkasunich> turn 90 deg, make another mark
[01:58:03] <Jymmm> this looks... interesting.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4357
[01:58:34] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.. interesting.
[01:58:35] <jmkasunich> strange
[02:00:01] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is doing mindless stuff tonight
[02:00:33] <jmkasunich> (filing)
[02:00:37] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, help me design a business card holder... the ones that you put in your pocket or breif case.
[02:01:23] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich goes to office supply store, buys $3 business card, gives it to A-L-P-H-A
[02:01:44] <A-L-P-H-A> business card holder for your pocket?
[02:02:04] <jmkasunich> oh, right... that small is probably only $1.50
[02:02:12] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25338&item=4373569174&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[02:02:57] <jmkasunich> oh, you want fancy
[02:03:13] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich doesn't do fancy
[02:03:31] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A make one that automagicalyl dispenses the card
[02:03:56] <Jymmm> push a hidden button and a single card pops out
[02:09:58] <jmkasunich> press it twice and the card pops out at Mach 2 and delivers lethal paper cuts (James Bond's card holder)
[02:10:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I think you two need to get out more.
[02:10:43] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[02:10:49] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[02:11:45] <jmkasunich> my business cards live in the box than came in. Approx 5% of my visitors get cards, cause the rest of the time I don't have any on me
[02:12:09] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich would be a lousy salesman
[02:14:12] <Jymmm> jmkasunich no no you silly bitch... nut a paper cut... a razor edge throwing star!
[02:14:32] <Jymmm> jmkasunich your kung fu is no good!
[02:14:38] <jmkasunich> but then its no longer a _business_ _card_ _dispenser_
[02:15:00] <Jymmm> jmkasunich what do you think is printed on the stars?!
[02:15:12] <jmkasunich> lol
[02:15:48] <Jymmm> Mr Chows Chinese Fast Food and House of Ninjas!
[02:16:04] <jmkasunich> I have seen steel business cards before
[02:16:22] <Jymmm> I got an aluminum one
[02:16:35] <Jymmm> from a metal supplier
[02:17:01] <jmkasunich> the steel was from an electro-chemical etch house
[02:17:14] <jmkasunich> about 0.007 thick, with patterns etched into it
[02:17:20] <jmkasunich> (holes, slots, etc)
[02:17:38] <jmkasunich> stainless I think
[02:19:42] <Jymmm> that sounds cool
[02:20:24] <Jymmm> you can laser etch SS
[02:20:35] <Jymmm> even make it have different colors too
[02:30:06] <A-L-P-H-A> now those cards would be EXPENSIVE. :(
[02:32:23] <jmkasunich> yay! second batch of parts done, only one more to go
[02:34:12] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Here ya go --->
http://www.color-laser-engraver.com/what.htm
[02:39:32] <jmkasunich> looks like the same princple that gives tempering colors
[02:39:38] <jmkasunich> (straw, blue, etc)
[02:43:10] <jmkasunich> at least somebody here is honest about it
[02:43:21] <Jymmm> what's that?
[02:43:27] <jmkasunich> ircaddict
[02:43:32] <Ircaddict> lol
[02:43:39] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[02:43:44] <Ircaddict> How's it going?
[02:43:59] <jmkasunich> slow
[02:44:24] <Ircaddict> well, it is around midnite, eastern time
[02:44:35] <jmkasunich> yep
[02:45:46] <jmkasunich> the 45 minute deburring/cleanup job I started an hour and a half ago still isn't done
[02:46:00] <jmkasunich> IRC can't possibly have anything to do with that, can ti?
[02:46:07] <jmkasunich> s/ti/it/
[02:46:47] <Ircaddict> haha, of course not ;)
[02:47:11] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[02:47:15] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[02:47:26] <jmkasunich> Jymmm is bored
[02:47:54] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: Nah, just had to knock a dipshit down a peg
[02:48:59] <Jymmm> jmkasunich you've must have sene my other alter egos, haven't you?
[02:49:13] <jmkasunich> dunno
[02:49:23] <Jymmm> Example...
[02:49:26] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[02:49:26] <Red70sShow> -----> jmkasunich <----- DUMBASS
[02:49:26] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[02:49:44] <Jymmm> or...
[02:49:53] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as CodesWithIdiots
[02:50:05] <CodesWithIdiots> CodesWithIdiots is now known as Jymmm
[02:50:07] <Jymmm> etc
[02:50:33] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich wonders how old Jymmm is?
[02:50:56] <Jymmm> Heh, they just reflect my current state of mind.
[02:51:17] <A-L-P-H-A> food and then sleep. I think.
[02:51:27] <jmkasunich> "creative" nick = young (20's maybe)... some variation on real name = old (40+)
[02:51:28] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict munches on a bag of doritos
[02:51:43] <Jymmm> btw "Revelations" is on
[02:51:55] <A-L-P-H-A> whatever that is.
[02:52:03] <jmkasunich> some TV show
[02:54:16] <Jymmm> Yeah... but its 2 of 6, and I missed the first episode
[02:54:19] <Jymmm> damn
[02:55:23] <Ircaddict> hmm, maybe taking that nap at 1900 wasn't a good idea with me havving class in the morning
[02:57:25] <jmkasunich> class? what's that?
[02:57:33] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, hey! think If I got a collet extension, put a groove into it, put a C or E clip on it, and thread the tail end? and shove a space inbetween to keep the bearings equally spaced?
[02:57:49] <A-L-P-H-A> err.
[02:58:22] <jmkasunich> definitely a time where a pic is worth 1000 words
[02:58:28] <Ircaddict> jmkasunich: something which leads people to believe that by paying money, it will get them money eventually
[02:58:51] <jmkasunich> that's something like work, except you pay them instead of the other way around?
[02:58:55] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich, pass me your email, after I draw it up, I'll email it?
[02:59:12] <jmkasunich> (and you are more likely to be able to cut and get away with it)
[02:59:55] <Ircaddict> er, something like that, only they make you think you can get work
[03:00:43] <jmkasunich> what kind of classes?
[03:01:25] <Ircaddict> well, tomorrow it's just physics
[03:01:31] <jmkasunich> engineering, medicine, law, or "fries with that"?
[03:01:35] <Ircaddict> But i'm going to the Great Lakes Maritime Academy
[03:01:40] <jmkasunich> cool
[03:01:46] <Ircaddict> basicly training to work on all the mechanical aspects of a ship
[03:02:01] <jmkasunich> which lake is that on? (I'm in cleveland)
[03:02:08] <Ircaddict> that being said, i probably won't work on a ship after i get out, but all that stuff is transferable
[03:02:17] <Ircaddict> the school is up in Traverse City
[03:02:26] <Ircaddict> over the summer I was in cleveland quite a bit on the Fred R. White Jr.
[03:02:40] <jmkasunich> ore boat?
[03:02:44] <Ircaddict> yeah
[03:02:50] <Ircaddict> did a few runs up the cuyahoga
[03:02:50] <jmkasunich> the name sounded familiar
[03:03:11] <Ircaddict> I kinda found it humorous that people would actually jet ski in that river :)
[03:03:19] <Ircaddict> It's an oglebay boat
[03:03:46] <jmkasunich> enough alcohol, and people will jet ski anywhere
[03:04:16] <jmkasunich> friend of mine worked a summer on an ore boat long time ago (he was in college at the time, he's over 50 now)
[03:04:46] <jmkasunich> one of those "nice experience, but wouldn't want to do it all the time" type jobs, according to him
[03:04:52] <Ircaddict> heh
[03:05:04] <Ircaddict> yeah, it definately takes someone who can keep themselves occupied
[03:05:22] <jmkasunich> they have internet on the boats these days?
[03:05:22] <Ircaddict> on the upside, you are at a dock pretty much every other day
[03:05:29] <Ircaddict> naw, but they got sat. tv
[03:05:53] <jmkasunich> when my buddy was working on the boat, they kept him busy...
[03:06:02] <Ircaddict> hehe, oh, there is work to do
[03:06:12] <jmkasunich> started painting at the front, by the time he made it to the back, it was time to start the front again
[03:06:22] <jmkasunich> paint, paint, paint
[03:06:26] <Ircaddict> I didn't have to do any painting :D
[03:06:46] <Ircaddict> I just worked on CATs, EMDs, piping, pumps, and other stuff
[03:06:50] <Ircaddict> did a bit of welding as well
[03:06:55] <andy_> Ircaddict, hacks prime movers
[03:07:17] <jmkasunich> cool, actual stuff that requires a brain...
[03:07:36] <jmkasunich> my buddy was strictly treated as a warm lump
[03:08:01] <Ircaddict> most deck hands are like that
[03:08:03] <Ircaddict> ;)
[03:08:29] <Ircaddict> it was pretty fun though
[03:08:45] <jmkasunich> cured him of any desire to be a deckhand for sure ... he became a manufacturing engineer
[03:08:52] <Ircaddict> hehe
[03:09:00] <Ircaddict> I'm probably gonna follow the path of my dad
[03:09:10] <Ircaddict> he went to the Maritime Academy (engine program as well), got his license
[03:09:15] <Ircaddict> but never sailed a day in his life on it
[03:09:28] <Ircaddict> now he owns his own gig selling CCTV equipment
[03:09:56] <jmkasunich> heh
[03:09:58] <Ircaddict> I'm finding myself leaning more towards the business end of things as well. Currently I'm looking at the prospect of starting up a manufactring gig here
[03:10:31] <Ircaddict> I'm not much of a machinist myself (Interested as hell in it, i just suck at manual machining), but I have a few friends who are rather well versed
[03:11:07] <jmkasunich> it's tough to make a go of it
[03:11:21] <Ircaddict> yeah
[03:11:24] <jmkasunich> gotta have something special that you can do and others can't
[03:11:35] <Ircaddict> That is correct
[03:11:47] <jmkasunich> I have a day job that pays all the bills, so my machining biz can be _very_ part time
[03:11:48] <Ircaddict> actually, what i'd really like to do, is turn that into an engineering operation
[03:12:02] <jmkasunich> I'm finishing some parts up for a customer as we speak
[03:12:10] <Ircaddict> I'd like to get into the firearms and aftermarket parts industry for cars and bikes
[03:12:20] <jmkasunich> (just filing off burs, etc on waterjet cut parts)
[03:12:39] <Jymmm> Ircaddict aftermarket phalix installations
[03:12:47] <Jymmm> ^ and slaes
[03:13:11] <Ircaddict> phalix?
[03:13:26] <jmkasunich> pay no attention to Jymmm
[03:13:28] <Jymmm> Ircaddict mounted on car roofs -->
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-phal.html
[03:13:42] <Ircaddict> ohh
[03:13:44] <Ircaddict> phalanx
[03:13:44] <Ircaddict> haha
[03:13:45] <Ircaddict> yeah
[03:14:49] <jmkasunich> nah, just use the classics... M2 .50
[03:15:10] <Jymmm> jmkasunich fully automatic, built in radar
[03:15:33] <jmkasunich> I know... but too heavy even for a pimped up Hummer
[03:15:46] <Jymmm> jmkasunich Mini-Phalax
[03:15:57] <Ircaddict> belt fed vehicle mount 20mm?
[03:15:58] <Ircaddict> :-D
[03:16:13] <Ircaddict> and for even more fun, give it a water jacket so you can keep on it
[03:16:17] <Ircaddict> :)
[03:16:56] <jmkasunich> yeah, and a semi following behind with ammo
[03:17:03] <Jymmm> I know the range, so I'm not too wooried about much of anything else on this puppy =)
[03:17:54] <Ircaddict> jmkasunich: maybe a snowmobile trailer?
[03:18:16] <jmkasunich> not for a 20mm phalanx
[03:18:35] <jmkasunich> figure 3lbs per round, 3000rounds/min, that's 4.5 tons per minute
[03:18:42] <Ircaddict> well, no, not for that, i'm talking a belt fed 20mm operated by me
[03:18:43] <Ircaddict> hehe
[03:18:56] <Ircaddict> holy shit, is that how much 20mm weighs?
[03:19:11] <jmkasunich> guessing (complete round, not just projectile)
[03:19:53] <jmkasunich> projectile is 20mm dia (3/4") by maybe 4" long, figure nearly solid steel... the math is left as an exercise for the student
[03:20:53] <jmkasunich> hmmm, maybe I over-estimated
[03:21:00] <jmkasunich> I get about a half-lb for the projectile
[03:21:02] <Ircaddict> steels what, .28 lbs/cu in?
[03:21:09] <jmkasunich> figure 1 to 1.5 lbs for complete round
[03:21:15] <Jymmm> http://www.militarystencils.com/images/Ammo/20mm.jpg
[03:21:17] <jmkasunich> something like that, I used 0.3
[03:21:18] <Ircaddict> yeah, that's gonna put some energy on target
[03:22:07] <Jymmm> 4.5 lbs
[03:22:20] <jmkasunich> that much?
[03:23:04] <Ircaddict> thump
[03:23:22] <Jymmm> 4.5lbs / 18
[03:23:35] <Jymmm> f a soldier was carrying 18 rounds of 20mm the weight is 4 1/2 pounds.
[03:24:10] <jmkasunich> only a 1/4 pound each... wow
[03:24:25] <jmkasunich> what are they made of, aluminum? ;-)
[03:24:25] <Jymmm> fyi...
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:51xrj-IDP30J:www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m29-oicw.htm+20+mm+round+weight&hl=en
[03:25:15] <Jymmm> 20mm round will penetrate 1.62" of steel at 1 kilometer
[03:26:07] <jmkasunich> I didn't realize you were talking about the OICW
[03:26:22] <jmkasunich> those rounds are more like grenades than the 20mm I was thinking of
[03:26:22] <Ircaddict> I wonder what kind of chamber pressure that round develops
[03:26:41] <Jymmm> jmkasunich I was just googling and that came up.
[03:28:19] <jmkasunich> how bout a GAU-8?
[03:28:24] <andy_> 20mm grenade vs 20mm rifle
[03:29:39] <Ircaddict> jmkasunich: GAU-8, that's what an a-10 pilot sits on right?
[03:29:45] <jmkasunich> yep ;-)
[03:29:49] <Ircaddict> :D
[03:30:13] <Ircaddict> my understanding is that thing can stall out the aircraft if the fun button is held down
[03:30:42] <jmkasunich> projectile contains 0.66 lbs of DU plus an aluminum skin.... none of this wimpy 1/4lb complete round stuff
[03:31:16] <Ircaddict> haha
[03:31:19] <jmkasunich> course if I was infantry and had to hump it around, I'd like the light stuff
[03:32:55] <Ircaddict> heh, yeah
[03:33:24] <Ircaddict> http://www.spiderweb.cc/dump/63%20Rounds%20of%20goodness.JPG <-- my toy pales in comparison heh
[03:34:19] <jmkasunich> nice toy nevertheless
[03:35:08] <Ircaddict> Indeed it is, shot one before I went out on the boat this summer, and fell in love
[03:35:27] <Ircaddict> got a good deal on it
[03:35:53] <jmkasunich> I've been thinking about getting into target shooting
[03:36:14] <jmkasunich> did some .22 target for a semester in college (20+ yrs ago)
[03:36:31] <jmkasunich> I'd like to try a M1911 tho
[03:36:52] <Ircaddict> 1911s are classic
[03:36:58] <jmkasunich> yep
[03:37:07] <Ircaddict> they are also like the small block 350 of guns
[03:37:11] <Ircaddict> you can mod the hell out of them
[03:39:27] <jmkasunich> gotta find a range somewhere nearby where I can try one out (rent for a day or something) and see if I like it
[03:39:39] <Jymmm> FINALLY! I figured out the pentagon... eeesh.
[03:40:40] <Ircaddict> any ranges in cleveland?
[03:40:53] <jmkasunich> haven't looked yet
[03:40:59] <jmkasunich> so much to do so little time
[03:41:18] <jmkasunich> (I wish I had some of the time I wasted when I was younger)
[03:41:49] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich googles ranges
[03:44:20] <jmkasunich> looks like a few
[03:45:48] <jmkasunich> "big bore specialties" ;-)
[03:45:54] <jmkasunich> 50ft indoor pistol range
[03:46:12] <jmkasunich> less than 10 miles
[03:46:20] <Ircaddict> hehe
[03:47:55] <Ircaddict> but yeah, guns are definately a personal preference, no matter what anyone says
[03:48:08] <Ircaddict> I can't shoot my friends SIG worth crap
[03:48:14] <jmkasunich> they have rentals, $8 to $15
[03:48:36] <jmkasunich> box of ammo, rent a gun, shoot for a day and see how I like it
[03:48:57] <Ircaddict> yup
[03:50:14] <jmkasunich> although I only shot .22 for a semester in college, I shot arrows competitively for four years, did quite well... I wonder how well some of those skills transfer
[03:50:28] <Ircaddict> I've never done any archery
[03:51:31] <jmkasunich> I was a classic geek at a geek school... we were required to take two semesters of phys ed, and I didn't want to sweat, shower, etc... so I took archery and shooting ;-)
[03:51:44] <jmkasunich> never expected to spend the next 4 years competing
[03:54:50] <Ircaddict> lol
[03:55:18] <Jymmm> jmkasunich too bad you couldn't work your scince classes into the shooting...
[03:55:19] <Ircaddict> I thought I was gonna go into IT
[03:55:27] <Ircaddict> then i got a car, and got more into engineering
[03:55:50] <Ircaddict> I still do play around with Apache and PHP though
[03:57:06] <jmkasunich> I did work classes into shooting.. I was an electrical engineer major, and I made a large digital clock to be used for timing at tournaments (you get 3 mins to shoot 3 arrows, IIRC)
[03:58:54] <jmkasunich> nice thing about archery... the ammo is re-usable
[04:00:44] <Ircaddict> true
[04:00:57] <Ircaddict> well, brass is reusable
[04:01:12] <jmkasunich> but you gotta take it home, reload, etc
[04:01:34] <jmkasunich> I could shoot a whole tournament with 3 rounds ;-P
[04:02:03] <jmkasunich> and a whole year with 12
[04:02:21] <Ircaddict> haha
[04:02:22] <Ircaddict> true
[04:03:47] <jmkasunich> what kind of shooting do you do? target, or just plinking stuff for fun? or?
[04:04:44] <Ircaddict> I do target shooting. I'd like to get into IDPA.
[04:04:59] <Ircaddict> I also like to go to the 80 and blast old car and computer parts :)
[04:05:15] <Jymmm> * Jymmm knows where to bury the bodies. Any more questions?
[04:06:10] <jmkasunich> the 80?
[04:06:27] <Ircaddict> it's a local place we have
[04:06:34] <Ircaddict> kind of like a large sand pit
[04:06:53] <jmkasunich> ah, ideal for that kind of stuff
[04:07:51] <Ircaddict> hehe, yeah
[04:07:54] <jmkasunich> when I was a kid, my grandparents lived out on a farm... ground sloped down behind the house to a creek, then up steeply on the other side... same kind of thing
[04:08:08] <Ircaddict> Brake rotors are fun to shoot up :)
[04:08:22] <jmkasunich> One time (I must have been around 10) an uncle had several guns and we were shooting at cans, bottles, that kind of thing
[04:09:15] <jmkasunich> I think he had a .22 and a .308
[04:09:31] <jmkasunich> the .308 had a kick (at least to a 10 year old)
[04:09:52] <Ircaddict> .308 has a bit of kick
[04:12:10] <Ircaddict> alright, i have class at 9
[04:12:12] <Ircaddict> time to hit the sack
[04:12:31] <jmkasunich> lucky dog, I have work at 8
[04:12:39] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[04:12:43] <Ircaddict> where you work?
[04:13:21] <jmkasunich> Rockwell Automation (aka Allen-Bradley) I design motor drives
[04:13:31] <Ircaddict> ahh, nice
[04:13:48] <jmkasunich> sometimes it is
[04:13:59] <jmkasunich> sometimes its not (like when they blow up)
[04:14:20] <Ircaddict> yeah, that would suck
[04:14:31] <Ircaddict> I'm starting to wonder if I should have gone to Michigan Tech for mechanical engineering
[04:14:55] <Ircaddict> I have a few ideas, I just don't have the knowledge to run solid numbers on them
[04:15:43] <Jymmm> jmkasunich : Hey, thats the fun of it! Especially when your wiring up a motor and the you connect up wire 6, which is really wire 8...
[04:16:01] <Jymmm> becasue teh marking rubbed off a bit
[04:16:21] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: my drives are 1000HP, and 690VAC... when they blow up it is $10,000 or more down the drain
[04:16:31] <jmkasunich> (and possibly new underwear)
[04:16:37] <Ircaddict> and like 2 weeks to rewind the things i bet
[04:16:38] <Ircaddict> hehe
[04:16:59] <Jymmm> It's AB, $10,008 is a drop in the bucket
[04:17:38] <Jymmm> ( the $8 is for a new pair of shorts =)
[04:17:41] <Ircaddict> lol
[04:18:08] <jmkasunich> they probably wouldn't pay for the shorts anyway
[04:18:51] <Jymmm> jmkasunich toss em in an inner-office envelope to the boss to sign the req. Bet he'll NEVER deny that claim ever agian.
[04:18:53] <jmkasunich> but you're right - the real cost is time... engineers time, schedule slips, etc
[04:19:21] <Ircaddict> yeah, burning up Bow thruster motors is nasty
[04:19:49] <Ircaddict> I heard 2 weeks (or was it months?) to get those things rewound
[04:19:49] <jmkasunich> usually when our stuff blows up the motors are fine, it's just the drive that goes
[04:21:57] <Ircaddict> my motor and generator theory sucks right now
[04:22:20] <Ircaddict> so i guess i'm not sure what you mean when you say the drive
[04:24:24] <jmkasunich> the box that controls the motor
[04:24:45] <jmkasunich> constant frequency constant voltage AC in (480V, 60Hz), variable frequency and voltage AC out to adjust the speed of the motor
[04:25:14] <Ircaddict> ahh
[04:25:26] <jmkasunich> http://www.trane.com/commercial/upkeep/aftermarket/afd.asp
[04:25:45] <jmkasunich> this is one of our products (we sell it to Trane)
[04:26:07] <Ircaddict> right
[04:26:25] <jmkasunich> the shiny headed guy inthe lower pic is my boss, the pic is at our first installation for that particular project
[04:26:32] <Jymmm> jmkasunich 1000HP... that's all?
[04:26:35] <Ircaddict> i'm trying to remember, is there a seperate field generated for motors, or is that just generators?
[04:26:43] <jmkasunich> (I was there too, but not in the pic - didn't want to break the camera)
[04:27:20] <jmkasunich> depends... DC motors _and_ generators often have separate field windings
[04:27:31] <Jymmm> jmkasunich I'll remember that if we meet up sometime... my lenses are too expensive!
[04:27:45] <Jymmm> camera is too
[04:33:08] <jmkasunich> well, all my parts are finished, time for bed
[04:33:15] <Ircaddict> yeah
[04:33:17] <Jymmm> G'Night jmkasunich
[04:33:18] <Ircaddict> now i really need to sleep
[04:33:20] <Ircaddict> nite
[04:33:22] <jmkasunich> nice talking to you
[04:33:29] <Ircaddict> nice talking to you as well
[04:34:07] <Jymmm> Ircaddict you outta here too?
[04:34:12] <Ircaddict> yeah
[04:34:16] <Ircaddict> but i always leave my box running
[04:34:18] <Ircaddict> so i just idle here
[04:34:19] <Ircaddict> hehe
[04:34:24] <Jymmm> same here... G'Night Ircaddict
[04:34:29] <Ircaddict> nite
[08:07:13] <Phydbleep> This is getting creepy.. I went to take a friend to the store and ended up coming back with a steel desk for the shop and another treadmill for parts..At 10 o'clock at night in a town where they roll up the sidewalks at 9....
[08:23:02] <anonimasu> :)
[08:23:06] <anonimasu> lol
[08:23:26] <anonimasu> neat
[08:24:31] <anonimasu> hm...
[08:24:37] <anonimasu> that toshiba BMC is out for sale again
[08:24:44] <Phydbleep> ???
[08:24:53] <anonimasu> BMC8
[08:25:00] <anonimasu> with fanuc 6MA control
[08:25:03] <anonimasu> L1000mm T600mm H800 mm table..
[08:25:43] <Phydbleep> BMC? Bastardized Mouse Cannon?
[08:26:02] <anonimasu> haha
[08:26:07] <anonimasu> I have no idea
[08:26:24] <anonimasu> and I have no idea about the size..
[08:26:26] <anonimasu> yet again
[08:26:35] <Phydbleep> What do they want for it? Like i can actually afford anything.
[08:26:51] <anonimasu> 20 000sek
[08:26:58] <anonimasu> 2857$
[08:27:36] <anonimasu> 60 place toolchanger
[08:27:44] <Phydbleep> Oh boy, i'd only have to knock off about 100 7-11's..
[08:28:12] <anonimasu> I have a machine I crave for..
[08:28:21] <Phydbleep> Better make that 150 with the shipping.
[08:28:22] <anonimasu> with my pay it'd take 12 years to buy one..-
[08:28:56] <anonimasu> and I could buy that bmc without feeling too broke..
[08:29:29] <Phydbleep> It's 1x.6x.6 meter..
[08:29:39] <Phydbleep> 1x.6x.8
[08:29:54] <anonimasu> the external size?
[08:30:02] <Phydbleep> Damn.. I'd give your left nut for that..
[08:30:26] <anonimasu> I dont know if I can fit it anywhere..
[08:30:27] <anonimasu> really
[08:30:42] <Phydbleep> The wife is kind of fond of mine..
[08:30:49] <anonimasu> lol
[08:30:50] <Phydbleep> Hehehe. :)
[08:31:32] <Phydbleep> What is it? New/used/refurb?
[08:31:36] <anonimasu> used..
[08:31:38] <anonimasu> old used..
[08:31:43] <Phydbleep> The machine, noot the nut.
[08:32:06] <Phydbleep> How old and how abused?
[08:32:13] <anonimasu> I dont know
[08:32:17] <anonimasu> I just found it on sale
[08:32:19] <anonimasu> it's cheap..
[08:32:20] <Phydbleep> Again, The machine, not the nut.
[08:32:25] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:32:29] <anonimasu> it's a old cheap machine
[08:32:31] <anonimasu> but I have no data..
[08:34:24] <Phydbleep> That's frikken huge..
[08:36:19] <anonimasu> the mill I want is a 5 axis deckel maho ;)
[08:38:25] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep tries to remember where anonimasu is..
[08:38:58] <anonimasu> north sweden
[08:39:02] <Phydbleep> Decongestant induced short-term memory loss.
[08:40:04] <Phydbleep> Crap.. Make that I'd have to knock over 300 7-11's (avg $30 ea) to get that and get it here.
[08:40:21] <anonimasu> yep
[08:41:11] <anonimasu> I got to go
[08:41:12] <anonimasu> laters
[08:41:20] <anonimasu> um
[08:41:21] <Phydbleep> Laters. :)
[08:42:03] <anonimasu> jus realized how little $30 is :)
[08:42:10] <anonimasu> just..
[08:42:27] <Phydbleep> Hehehe.. Ain't life a bitch?
[08:42:32] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:42:52] <anonimasu> are you in usa?
[08:43:02] <anonimasu> the used machines are cheaper there :)
[08:43:35] <Phydbleep> Yeah, The knocking over a 7-11 bit is just to torture bill collectors.. :)
[08:44:07] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12584&item=7510019072&rd=1
[08:44:13] <anonimasu> I could live with that
[08:44:43] <Phydbleep> They call wanting money, I ask "What do you want me to do? Knock over a 7-11?" They say yes and I turn them in for incitement to commit a crime. :)
[08:44:45] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12584&item=7508969744&rd=1
[08:44:46] <anonimasu> or that..
[08:46:56] <Phydbleep> Damn.. I might have to bid on the fanuc.
[08:47:27] <Phydbleep> It'd cost me 500 times the current bid to get it here..
[08:47:44] <anonimasu> the matsuura is what I'd want..
[08:48:01] <anonimasu> nice mill..
[08:48:18] <anonimasu> laters
[08:49:29] <Phydbleep> i'd have to cut a hole in the roof and set it in with a crane though.. :\
[08:53:40] <Phydbleep> 230V 50a 3-phase as well.. Oh Joy, I'd only need ~170 amps to feed the phase converter..
[11:09:38] <Ircaddict> morning kids
[11:11:15] <stevestallings> Morning. Mostly loggers and lurkers here now I think.
[11:11:49] <Ircaddict> I had a nice conversation with Jymmm and jmkasunich last night
[11:12:59] <stevestallings> Things are most active evenings (USA time) and Sat and Sunday. Official "meetings" are Sundays
[11:13:24] <Ircaddict> ahh, ok
[11:27:45] <Ircaddict> Alright, I gotta head to class for an hour, but I'll return
[13:04:38] <Ircaddict> hey Jymmm
[13:04:50] <Jymmm> mornin!
[13:05:55] <Ircaddict> how's it going
[13:06:47] <Jymmm> it's goin...
[13:23:23] <Jymmm> Mornin Les
[13:23:41] <les> morning
[13:33:32] <businka> windows uptime 7hrs 10mins 31secs
[13:36:57] <businka> 9:9(
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[13:37:18] <Ircaddict> alrighty then..
[13:37:37] <Jymmm> efnet outcast
[13:37:43] <jepler> wtf was that?
[13:38:02] <Ircaddict> guess is as good as mine
[13:41:59] <les> I see from the list that another has discovered that eme does not blend arcs
[13:42:05] <les> (yet)
[13:42:20] <les> emc not eme heh
[13:44:08] <cradek> yep, I noticed that too.
[13:45:10] <les> Well soon to be fixed I hope...we'll do a final test/debug when paul gets here
[13:45:31] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict wishes he had the hardware to play around with
[13:46:15] <les> Stopping the screwy velocity calcs is about the only thing left to do (I think)
[13:46:27] <les> the cnc hardware irc?
[13:47:29] <Ircaddict> yeah
[13:47:56] <Ircaddict> That being said, my only machining experience is a class that I had to take as part of my schooling
[13:48:04] <Ircaddict> but manufacturing is something thats always interested me
[13:48:11] <les> me too.
[13:48:47] <Ircaddict> although I showed this to my friend, and he seems pretty excited since i guess he's looking to possibly convert his bridgeport into a 2 axis CNC setup
[13:48:59] <Jymmm> Ok I know what 1/4-20 is, but what's M8 x 1.25 ?
[13:49:02] <Ircaddict> and from the way it seems, a large portion of the cost is in the controler
[13:49:22] <Ircaddict> metric?
[13:49:26] <les> yes it typically is
[13:49:37] <Ircaddict> 8mm diameter, 1.25 TPmm?
[13:49:48] <Jymmm> Ircaddict Right, M8 == 8mm diameter, but the 1.25 is what?
[13:49:57] <les> pitch
[13:50:00] <Jymmm> thread per mm ?
[13:50:01] <Ircaddict> 1.25 turns per mm
[13:50:06] <Ircaddict> er
[13:50:07] <Ircaddict> threads
[13:50:08] <Ircaddict> wow
[13:50:14] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict should go back to bed
[13:50:18] <les> heh
[13:50:42] <Jymmm> damn metric system!
[13:51:32] <Ircaddict> lol
[13:51:41] <andy_> booting live cd :)
[13:52:13] <Ircaddict> les: so are you a programmer by trade then?
[13:52:18] <les> I just bought every conceivable replacement drill bit in english but not metric
[13:52:32] <les> No irc I am an aerospace engineer
[13:52:41] <les> but I own a business
[13:53:08] <Jymmm> Ircaddict les started amyway and maryKey cosmetics!
[13:53:17] <les> ha
[13:53:23] <Ircaddict> les: Now that's bad ass :)
[13:53:26] <Jymmm> rotf
[13:53:30] <Ircaddict> I dated a girl who's dad was an aerospace engineer
[13:53:44] <Ircaddict> you don't happen to live in Brighton, Mi do you?
[13:53:45] <Ircaddict> ;)
[13:53:58] <les> he I was close...Chivago
[13:54:43] <les> I do a mix of things in business down in georgia where I am now
[13:54:47] <Ircaddict> ahh
[13:54:48] <Ircaddict> nice
[13:54:50] <les> About half engineering
[13:55:02] <les> the other half manufacturing
[13:55:08] <Ircaddict> excellent
[13:55:18] <les> I try to keep it that way anyway
[13:55:54] <Ircaddict> actually, one of the things i'd like to do is start a shop up here, do pure manufacturing stuff, and then eventually hire engineers and get into firearms manufacturing and engineering aftermarket parts for cars and bikes
[13:56:12] <les> pretty heavy into cnc machine design.
[13:56:36] <les> Did a lot of automotive stuff in the past...(and still some)
[13:57:11] <Ircaddict> I have a few ideas in my head, but I don't have near enough knowledge to run solid numbers
[13:57:41] <les> No firearms...but I do some of that for a hobby
[13:58:06] <les> Well a lot of engineering is analysis...in fact most of it.
[13:59:24] <Ircaddict> As in design first, and check numbers to see if it will work?
[14:00:04] <les> more like rough Idea...then check nombers...the design
[14:00:11] <les> then
[14:00:25] <Ircaddict> right
[14:00:50] <les> A machine starts with basic goals
[14:01:27] <les> then lots of things like finite element analysis, bearing loads, dynamics, kinematics, cost
[14:01:29] <Ircaddict> that's kind of where i'm at with this one idea, i have a rough idea, but I need to check the numbers (alot of it being shear stress) to see if it would be feasable
[14:02:08] <les> well shear stress is not too complicated
[14:02:24] <andy_> ok, I have TkEMC up
[14:02:34] <Ircaddict> no, not really, but my physics teacher didn't really cover it :/
[14:02:50] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict digs for his physics book
[14:03:11] <les> Well it's not so much a Physics subject anyway
[14:04:00] <Ircaddict> well, it was tossed in with the chapter talking about solids
[14:04:15] <Ircaddict> talking about things such as youngs modulus, bulk modulus
[14:04:15] <Ircaddict> etc
[14:04:32] <les> in the simplest for it is just foce/area
[14:04:37] <andy_> without a machine connected, can I backplot a gcode program?
[14:05:06] <les> force
[14:05:34] <Ircaddict> right
[14:05:59] <Ircaddict> which is why you measure youngs modulus in pascals, or whatever other unit of pressure
[14:06:04] <cradek> andy_: with emc1 you can.
[14:06:12] <Ircaddict> er, thats the way it seems anyway
[14:06:42] <les> yes irc pascals, psi, tec
[14:07:43] <andy_> just a momneet
[14:07:47] <andy_> moment
[14:09:16] <andy_> mh lost my taskbar/startmenu kde
[14:15:03] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict wonders if there are any engineering for dummies type books out there
[14:16:24] <Jymmm> Ircaddict : "Engineering for dummies" == "an ar ch ist cook book"
[14:16:35] <andy_> cradek, the menu choices i have are EMC, and EMC Generic
[14:17:13] <cradek> what BDI did you install?
[14:18:02] <andy_> BDI-Live_rc46
[14:18:25] <cradek> you should have the simulated machine then
[14:18:28] <cradek> cd /usr/local/emc
[14:18:30] <cradek> ./sim.run
[14:20:09] <andy_> no such file...
[14:21:48] <cradek> are there other .run files in /usr/local/emc?
[14:22:09] <andy_> emc.run
[14:22:13] <cradek> (I don't use BDI)
[14:22:31] <cradek> I guess you should complain to your vendor (paul_c) about your nonstandard emc installation.
[14:22:43] <cradek> sorry I can't help.
[14:22:58] <andy_> ouch, ok, thanks
[14:23:09] <andy_> also generic.run
[14:23:33] <cradek> you could get and build the current emc1 from cvs.
[14:23:46] <andy_> noted
[14:23:47] <cradek> I *think* you have a compile environment.
[14:24:06] <cradek> let me find the instructions, hang on
[14:24:32] <cradek> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SimulatedMachine
[14:24:39] <cradek> these are the instructions I wrote a while back
[14:24:51] <cradek> your PLATs will be different
[14:24:57] <andy_> thanks
[14:25:12] <cradek> I'm not sure what your PLATs will be but maybe we can figure them out.
[14:28:46] <andy_> I'll give it a try later, thanks alot....lunch
[14:30:46] <cradek> welcome
[15:46:10] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[15:46:10] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[16:16:00] <Jymmm> * Jymmm sees crickets
[16:49:27] <anonimasu> evening
[16:55:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu 11am here! Mornin =)
[16:55:23] <Ircaddict> 2:10 here :)
[16:55:25] <Ircaddict> er
[16:55:28] <Ircaddict> 14:10 that is
[16:56:51] <Jymmm> anonimasu what time there?
[16:56:54] <anonimasu> hm it's evening anyway..
[16:56:55] <anonimasu> 20:!1
[16:57:00] <Jymmm> ah
[16:57:01] <anonimasu> err 20:11
[16:57:02] <anonimasu> ;)
[16:57:14] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is drawing a fibreglass mold
[16:58:05] <anonimasu> I wonder how this will come out at the mill
[17:19:25] <anonimasu> hm is 22 minutes to mill a mold a long time?
[17:20:10] <Jymmm> anonimasu : I wouldn;t think so as long as you can get multiple pieces from a single mold
[17:20:32] <anonimasu> hm it's a single mold..
[17:20:43] <anonimasu> but well I've heard of 20 hour moldmaking..
[17:20:46] <anonimasu> with insane stepover
[17:20:58] <anonimasu> 1% of tool stepover ;)
[17:21:08] <anonimasu> *tries to check how long it'll take
[17:21:17] <anonimasu> 174minutes..
[17:21:35] <Jymmm> 3 hours
[17:21:37] <anonimasu> 2.9 hours..
[17:21:39] <anonimasu> yeah..
[17:21:41] <anonimasu> not too long
[17:21:45] <Jymmm> plus setup time
[17:21:58] <anonimasu> this is cutting at 1000mm/min
[17:22:22] <Jymmm> 1000mm/sec
[17:22:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:22:32] <anonimasu> I need that kind of speed..
[17:22:37] <anonimasu> and a dremel as spindle..
[17:22:48] <Jymmm> trim router
[17:23:00] <anonimasu> lol
[17:23:26] <Jymmm> dremel 30K rpm, but no balls. at least a trim router is 20K rpm and some balls
[17:23:55] <anonimasu> I am tempted to design a router for milling alu..
[17:24:07] <anonimasu> and let my mill be gecko powered..
[17:24:14] <anonimasu> and have the vital push it along..
[17:24:37] <anonimasu> I found 30krpm 1hp spindles from a company here..
[17:24:49] <anonimasu> 1898$
[17:25:43] <anonimasu> the datrondynamics machines have 1/8 hp
[17:26:16] <anonimasu> the small ones
[17:26:21] <Jymmm> but 65k rpm
[17:26:24] <Jymmm> iirc
[17:26:27] <anonimasu> not the small ones..
[17:26:30] <Jymmm> oh
[17:26:31] <anonimasu> 40000rpm I think
[17:26:34] <Jymmm> nfc
[17:26:55] <anonimasu> but well I could buy a spindle like that and run a 1:2 reduction..
[17:27:08] <anonimasu> 60000rpm ;)
[17:27:21] <anonimasu> but well the bearings would cost more then the motor..
[17:27:30] <Jymmm> air bearings
[17:27:36] <anonimasu> not stiff enough..
[17:28:08] <anonimasu> oil bearings if anything
[17:28:18] <anonimasu> err hydrostatic..
[17:28:18] <Jymmm> axel grease bearings!!!
[17:28:23] <anonimasu> lol
[17:31:16] <anonimasu> hm the mini raptor machines has 600w spindle
[17:33:43] <anonimasu> I want a machine that does 400ipm ;)
[17:33:50] <Jymmm> 4000
[17:33:57] <anonimasu> seriously..
[17:33:58] <anonimasu> 400"
[17:34:12] <anonimasu> 10m/min
[17:34:16] <Jymmm> ah
[17:34:23] <anonimasu> that's what the mini raptors do.
[17:34:30] <anonimasu> but well, faster would be "neat" ;)
[17:36:25] <Jymmm> too much loss of accuracy
[17:36:50] <anonimasu> how come?
[17:37:11] <Jymmm> speed being the inverse
[17:38:27] <anonimasu> hm, machine design counters that
[17:38:46] <Jymmm> you making this out of solid steel?
[17:39:10] <anonimasu> I am not making anything right now..
[17:39:19] <Jymmm> heh
[17:39:22] <anonimasu> but if I am going to build one yeah..
[17:39:39] <anonimasu> alumimum or steel as frame..
[17:39:44] <anonimasu> and granite as table..
[17:40:08] <anonimasu> dual driven gantry with linear rails..
[17:40:31] <anonimasu> but that depends on how rigid you can get it..
[17:40:32] <Jymmm> cool
[17:40:37] <anonimasu> alu probably woudlnt cut it..
[17:40:49] <anonimasu> I dont know how stiff they get if you bolt rails to it
[17:42:52] <anonimasu> would have to get somone to run some simulations on it..
[17:43:02] <anonimasu> or calc it
[17:56:11] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict installs BDI on VMware
[17:58:35] <les> still there anon?
[17:58:43] <les> read back a little
[18:25:32] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:25:37] <anonimasu> les: how far?
[18:25:47] <anonimasu> logger_aj, bookmark
[18:25:47] <anonimasu> See
http://193.226.12.129/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2005-04-21#T18-25-47
[18:29:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[18:51:35] <les> opps
[18:51:41] <les> was away
[18:51:57] <Imperator_> Hi Les
[18:52:16] <anonimasu> :)
[18:52:26] <les> I think I am going to rescrape one of the vertical mills
[18:52:33] <les> Hi martin
[18:52:36] <anonimasu> leshm ok
[18:53:10] <les> anyway...steel rails on aluminum support is not the best
[18:53:17] <les> it is a bimetel strip
[18:53:20] <les> will warp
[18:53:26] <les> bimetal
[18:53:37] <anonimasu> hm ok
[18:53:47] <les> martin...are you coming to code fest?
[18:53:56] <Imperator_> les: do you come to fest ??
[18:54:12] <les> Well fest is kind of coming to me
[18:54:19] <les> at least part of it
[18:54:37] <Imperator_> :-)
[18:54:47] <les> We will test perhaps some changes done on my high speed machine
[18:54:49] <Imperator_> should I take a spindel with me ?
[18:55:00] <Imperator_> nice
[18:55:03] <les> yes
[18:55:18] <Imperator_> I'm also planning such a high speed machine
[18:55:24] <les> you ought to consider coming down with Paul and staying a bit
[18:55:33] <les> down here
[18:55:37] <Imperator_> hm
[18:55:58] <anonimasu> it'll be trouble building it if it is steel.
[18:56:01] <anonimasu> but I guess it cant be helpes..
[18:56:07] <anonimasu> I can mill steel but I dont enjoy it
[18:56:25] <les> steel is easy to cut and weld
[18:56:36] <les> same specific stiffness as aluminum
[18:57:38] <anonimasu> hm..
[18:58:54] <anonimasu> les: what's a good material then?
[18:59:03] <anonimasu> epu-crete is out of question..
[18:59:14] <anonimasu> or somthing similiar due to the trouble getting it over here
[19:00:23] <anonimasu> and very very expensive probably
[19:01:59] <anonimasu> les: got a better idea?
[19:03:21] <Jymmm> more tequilia!
[19:03:30] <les> heh
[19:03:41] <les> ordinary structural steel is good
[19:03:44] <Jymmm> anonimasu See, les agrees!
[19:03:55] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps Jymmm
[19:04:06] <anonimasu> I'd rather have it in somthing like that..
[19:04:34] <Jymmm> anonimasu you wuss! Straight up with lime & salt!
[19:05:21] <anonimasu> :)
[19:05:53] <Jymmm> anonimasu : Though, Cadillac Margarita is the exception.
[19:06:12] <anonimasu> les: moving gantry..
[19:07:59] <A-L-P-H-A> wow... an hour just blew by :/
[19:09:05] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A : Isn't it amazing!!! An hour blows by... even hour on the hours, 24 hours a day, 265 days a year, fot the last... oh say.. BILLION YEARS! =)
[19:09:20] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep sends A-L-P-H-A a speeding ticket for moving 1000 MPH with the planetary rotation..
[19:09:39] <Jymmm> Phydbleep I thought it was 17K MPH ?
[19:09:52] <A-L-P-H-A> You two are messed up.
[19:10:19] <anonimasu> lol
[19:10:20] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A : Eh, you love it!
[19:10:21] <Phydbleep> 24K mile dia, 24 hour rotation.
[19:10:29] <les> 17k is orbital velocity
[19:10:43] <Ircaddict> dia != circumfrence
[19:11:11] <Phydbleep> 8K mile dia, 24 hour rotation.
[19:11:47] <Phydbleep> Oops.. I forgot to add systemic and galactic motion to that... Your'e nicked laddie.. :)
[19:12:06] <Ircaddict> wait, so which is it?
[19:12:10] <Ircaddict> 24k or 8k dia ;)
[19:12:27] <Phydbleep> "it's a fair cop, but the galaxy is to blame."
[19:12:45] <Phydbleep> 8K dia, 24k circumference.
[19:14:25] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict checks
[19:14:26] <Ircaddict> yup
[19:14:36] <Ircaddict> 3900 and change miles for the radius at the equator
[19:17:52] <Jymmm> * Jymmm thumps Phydbleep with a light year! See what you started!!!
[19:17:58] <Phydbleep> Ircaddict: Now, Look up the size/mass of Phobos (moon of Mars) and it's orbital period.. Then tell me what's wrong with it. :)
[19:19:47] <Ircaddict> uhh, can I get a 50/50 lifeline with that one?
[19:19:48] <Ircaddict> ;)
[19:21:34] <les> phobos is a captured asteroid I think
[19:22:32] <Phydbleep> Give up?
[19:22:39] <Ircaddict> Phydbleep: yea
[19:24:06] <Phydbleep> The projected mass doesn't match with the size or orbit.. Phobos is too light for it's size..
[19:24:37] <les> or mars does not have a mettallic core...
[19:24:40] <Ircaddict> what did they base it's density on?
[19:24:46] <Phydbleep> I'd love a close-up hands-on look at it. :)
[19:25:37] <Phydbleep> Spectral response of the surface to get a material.
[19:25:48] <Phydbleep> material ID.
[19:26:55] <Ircaddict> ahh, but it's not gonna give what's under it ;)
[19:27:15] <Ircaddict> and unless god is playing some dirty tricks on us, it's kinda hard to break the laws of physics
[19:28:03] <Phydbleep> Surface readings say it's rock, but the mass is too low for it to be a solid chunk..
[19:28:21] <Ircaddict> right
[19:28:28] <Jymmm> It's a hollow Easter Egg... alright!
[19:28:30] <les> comet?
[19:28:44] <Phydbleep> Not a clew.. But I's love a look inside. :)
[19:29:29] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict turns his chair and plays the keyboard a bit
[19:29:47] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hears dogs howling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[19:30:20] <Ircaddict> ouch :<
[19:30:28] <Jymmm> lol
[19:30:30] <les> I got bored today a bit...have the scope hooked up to the microphone to diagnose some rfi in the audio
[19:30:34] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep Screams "BANZAI!" and attacks the postscript encoder tachometer file with 'vi'.
[19:30:53] <les> so I started humming trying to make a perfect square wave on the scope
[19:31:21] <Ircaddict> now try humming to mimic white noise
[19:31:22] <Ircaddict> :>
[19:31:37] <Jymmm> humming? I would have thought tapping to get a sq wave
[19:32:02] <les> no a square wave train...not a heaviside function
[19:32:56] <les> I also have been known to talk backwards...record it...reverse the recording so it comes out forward
[19:33:01] <les> now that is hard.
[19:33:20] <Jymmm> les Not really... we all do that to understand you every day =)
[19:33:24] <Phydbleep> Humming should get you a sine-wave.
[19:33:28] <les> haha
[19:33:51] <Jymmm> les most of the stuff that comes out of your mouth is greek =)
[19:33:59] <les> PHY...I got a fair square wave with a certain tone
[19:34:03] <Phydbleep> Or Martian. :)
[19:34:16] <les> oooo sounds are sine waves
[19:34:39] <les> heh
[19:34:42] <Jymmm> cw
[19:34:54] <Jymmm> cq cq cq dx
[19:35:44] <les> yeah 1000 miles with 1 watt?
[19:35:57] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep hangs laundry on Jymmm's antenna..
[19:36:20] <Jymmm> les LA to Sydney on 7 watts
[19:36:29] <les> wow
[19:36:35] <les> cw or voice?
[19:36:42] <Jymmm> * Jymmm watches Phydbleep laundry fturn into carbon dust
[19:36:48] <Jymmm> les phone
[19:36:55] <les> argh
[19:37:03] <Ircaddict> what band?
[19:37:04] <Jymmm> les HF SSB phone
[19:37:38] <Jymmm> not telephone
[19:37:43] <les> I think the record is comms with voyager
[19:38:01] <Jymmm> voice == phone (ham)
[19:38:11] <les> oh
[19:38:18] <Ircaddict> haha
[19:38:19] <Jymmm> it's an fcc thing
[19:39:12] <Jymmm> les A friend loves goin lower power and making QSO's
[19:39:21] <les> I have no fcc liscenses
[19:39:32] <les> used to for aircraft vhf
[19:39:39] <les> but they abolished that
[19:40:02] <Ircaddict> i don' need no stinking license :)
[19:40:23] <les> now anyone can key up on a handheld aircraft band radio and shut down major airports
[19:40:25] <Jymmm> * Jymmm does
[19:40:36] <Jymmm> the license thing
[19:40:47] <Jymmm> not the shutdown airport thing
[19:40:51] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep prefers Spark-Gap transmitters..
[19:40:52] <les> heh
[19:40:56] <Ircaddict> lol
[19:41:10] <Phydbleep> Let EVERYBODY hear it on everything. :)
[19:41:43] <Ircaddict> I guess my dad used to run around with his CB radio going to a linear amp as a kid
[19:41:59] <les> on a nice summer day good for flying vhf aircraft band is a whine of hetrodynes
[19:42:12] <les> heterodynes?
[19:42:38] <les> whines and squeals anyway
[19:43:08] <Ircaddict> les: what rating you got?
[19:43:17] <Ircaddict> er
[19:43:17] <Ircaddict> ratings
[19:43:36] <les> PPASEL with complex and high performance endorsement
[19:44:49] <Ircaddict> ASEL?
[19:45:06] <les> aircraft single engine land
[19:45:09] <A-L-P-H-A> bills suck.
[19:45:18] <Ircaddict> ahh
[19:45:52] <Ircaddict> Until I get money to start, I'm stuck flying in X-plane for the time being
[19:46:06] <les> x plane is good
[19:46:12] <A-L-P-H-A> x plane?
[19:46:13] <Ircaddict> hell yeah it is
[19:46:25] <les> flight simulator
[19:47:11] <les> pretty good flight model...about like the real thing
[19:47:16] <Ircaddict> holy hell, x-plane 8 is ported to linux?
[19:47:17] <Ircaddict> !!
[19:47:24] <Ircaddict> :>
[19:47:24] <A-L-P-H-A> appearantly we're (Canada) maybe having a new election again.
[19:47:27] <les> harder because you can't see as well
[19:47:32] <A-L-P-H-A> horray for monority governments.
[19:47:38] <les> heh
[19:47:53] <Phydbleep> Moronity govt?
[19:49:06] <les> haha let's be nice to our northern neighbors
[19:49:10] <les> eh?
[19:49:21] <les> we have the moronity gvt I think
[19:49:54] <Ircaddict> les: both me and my friend (who has is PPL) both think the flight model of x-plane > MSFS
[19:50:27] <les> what ever that means...haha...I find it pretty real
[19:50:32] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep is starting a church, "The First Church of Bureaucratic Incompetence.".. If you have faith that an incompetent bureaucrat mess up your life you can join right now. :)
[19:50:45] <les> i'm in
[19:50:57] <dmess> hi all
[19:51:04] <les> hi dmess
[19:51:12] <Phydbleep> dmess! :)
[19:51:19] <Ircaddict> i'm in
[19:51:20] <Ircaddict> heh
[19:51:38] <dmess> les... you the math guy right??
[19:52:05] <Jymmm> Faith? I have 30,000 hours of video!
[19:52:10] <les> I do math some yeah heh
[19:52:20] <dmess> c'est moi Phydbleep
[19:52:30] <Jymmm> les oh go factor Pi will ya!
[19:52:49] <les> ok...3.14159...uh...
[19:52:53] <dmess> i need some help with terminal Velocity calcs
[19:53:04] <les> ok shoot
[19:53:06] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep thinks Jymmm has a subscription to C-Span.
[19:53:59] <les> more aerodynamics than just math but hey...I do that too
[19:54:03] <dmess> if i drop something it falls accelerating 32 ft/s/s..right
[19:54:09] <les> right
[19:54:34] <dmess> cool i knew i rememberd you from somewhere
[19:55:07] <les> so after 1 second it has fallen 16 feet
[19:55:26] <Ircaddict> of course this is neglecting wind resistance :)
[19:55:31] <les> right
[19:55:54] <dmess> ok hypothesis... torpedo shaped permanent magnet falling thru a tube of copper coils
[19:56:02] <les> ok...
[19:56:22] <cradek> haha
[19:56:35] <Phydbleep> les: If a chicken and a half, can lay an egg and a half, in a day and a half.. How many times will a British MP bounce when fired from a circus cannon?
[19:56:47] <Ircaddict> hahaha
[19:56:54] <les> dmess is designing mass drivers here chris
[19:57:22] <Phydbleep> les: Or a "shake it up" flashlight.
[19:57:36] <les> hmm yeah
[19:57:37] <Ircaddict> whichever way you wanna go
[19:57:42] <dmess> i need to get a trace of speed Vs Pos'n and the # of coils HIT ( for lack of a better word....
[19:57:57] <les> but go ahead dmess...a magnet in a tube of coils
[19:58:16] <les> hit?
[19:58:20] <les> crossed?
[19:58:21] <Ircaddict> * Ircaddict is confused
[19:58:24] <Phydbleep> dmess: There'sa lot of variables to that.
[19:58:35] <dmess> Ph... yeah... but i got a gated push pull system that may give us perpetual E
[19:58:36] <Ircaddict> are we talking a charged coils?
[19:58:52] <Phydbleep> Are the coils driving or driven?
[19:59:04] <les> perpetual energy...uh oh...lost me there
[19:59:08] <Ircaddict> haha
[20:00:08] <dmess> rate of change of magnetic flut is what were after here to design a multi layered coil tube of max eff. for the length we have to fall...
[20:00:44] <dmess> simple principles add up to the answer...
[20:00:49] <Phydbleep> dmess: That will depend on the strength of the magnets as well.
[20:00:56] <dmess> driven Ph
[20:01:19] <Ircaddict> what are we looking at for a magnetic field strength?
[20:01:54] <dmess> lotsa hoopla to the mags i wanna use... proto on P/mags to prove design intent
[20:02:10] <dmess> i can get .25 T
[20:03:16] <Ircaddict> k, and whats the radius of the coils?
[20:03:59] <dmess> full or proto scale..
[20:04:06] <Ircaddict> uhh
[20:04:07] <Ircaddict> full
[20:04:29] <dmess> full... 4' and magnets of 2T
[20:04:41] <Ircaddict> ok
[20:04:51] <dmess> drop 7000'
[20:05:20] <Phydbleep> 2kn+ ???
[20:05:27] <Phydbleep> 2km+ ???
[20:05:39] <Ircaddict> you plan to construct this out of...?
[20:05:47] <Phydbleep> dmess: Are you playing in a mine shaft or what?
[20:06:14] <dmess> sure... Macassa #3 shaft ... gold mine in Kirkland lake i helped sink to bottom in the 80's
[20:06:46] <dmess> we DONT fuck around when we have a good idea...
[20:07:17] <les> energy you can get from that is m*g*h
[20:07:18] <Phydbleep> dmess: Well, get oout of there, It's mine.. See say's it right there -> Mine, Mine, Mine.. :)
[20:07:25] <dmess> 7380' plumb within 3/4"
[20:07:58] <dmess> les..???
[20:08:08] <les> what is the mass of the magnet
[20:08:09] <Phydbleep> dmess: Is there a mate to that shaft with a connecting cross-shaft?
[20:08:33] <dmess> 3 compartment shaft
[20:08:49] <dmess> mass is a function of length...
[20:09:05] <Ircaddict> uhh
[20:09:06] <les> well give me a number
[20:09:12] <Ircaddict> mass is a function of density and volume
[20:09:12] <les> 1kG?
[20:09:16] <les> 1 gram?
[20:09:21] <Phydbleep> les: >5kg.
[20:09:55] <Phydbleep> 100 mm neodynium hockey puck will be heavy..
[20:09:57] <dmess> i figure it'll need about 4500 KM of 1mm dia wire to do 1 tube..
[20:11:03] <dmess> dont think hockey puck... think 40" dia. x 12 ft.
[20:11:20] <dmess> torpedo
[20:11:35] <Jymmm> les you want a number? Try 104723
[20:11:52] <les> Is she good?
[20:12:01] <dmess> with 100 pound weight differential to the other side
[20:12:04] <Jymmm> les She's Prime!
[20:13:12] <Phydbleep> 1m x 4m ?? That's not a torpedo, that's a tank-trap.
[20:13:37] <dmess> at the top you add 1/2 that M .. and lose the same 1/2 that M at the bottom... effectively reversing its direction
[20:13:57] <Phydbleep> Oooh.. N35 to N38 might give some really wierd effects at that scale..
[20:14:22] <Ircaddict> I must bow out of the conversation at this juncture
[20:14:27] <Ircaddict> since I have no bloody clue what the hell is going on
[20:14:34] <dmess> this device has the E to take care of them all....
[20:14:38] <les> to put things into perspective let's have a thought experiment...let's say you drill a perfectly straight tunnel from one point on the earth to the other....
[20:14:54] <Phydbleep> dmess: Don't eat spinach or liver while you're working on that..
[20:15:22] <Jymmm> les : Ok, done. Now what?
[20:15:41] <dmess> ok.. 1000 Kg magnet falls thru athe hole
[20:15:52] <les> so the tunnel might be from one side of the street to the other...or to china through the center of the earth
[20:16:00] <Jymmm> dmess Can't, it's filled with salty water
[20:16:06] <dmess> after it been lined wit the coil
[20:16:44] <les> let's also say that we can drop a weight through the hole in a manner that it does not hit the sides (maglev?)
[20:16:46] <les> ok?
[20:17:00] <Ircaddict> bzzzt
[20:17:03] <Phydbleep> You should break that up into shorter coils that are 70% of the magnet lenght.
[20:17:06] <Ircaddict> you just used an outside source
[20:17:10] <Ircaddict> no more perpetual E!
[20:17:28] <dmess> it acc... and falls... moving inducing a current in the coils.. fed to a diode pack and then a battery or similar
[20:17:44] <Ircaddict> well it's gonna make DC
[20:17:46] <les> How long would it take to fall through the hole to across the street as opposed to the hole to china?
[20:17:49] <Ircaddict> so why the need for a diode pack?
[20:17:49] <dmess> but... remember...2 holes and the bullwheel..
[20:17:56] <les> (trick question of course)
[20:18:04] <Phydbleep> dmess: Lot's of stacked coils and diodes.
[20:18:14] <dmess> on the up the dc reverses polarity
[20:18:40] <dmess> les... work with me dude...
[20:18:58] <les> heh ok
[20:18:59] <Phydbleep> dmess: And you've just used 101% of the energy from the fall for the return.
[20:19:43] <dmess> no... cuz there is equal + differential fallin on the other side...
[20:20:11] <dmess> youve used the differential to generat 2X te potential...
[20:20:43] <Phydbleep> dmess: Then it's balanced and you need to add energy to make either move?
[20:20:51] <les> dmess I'm terribly sorry but I am going to have to pull you over for attenpting to violate the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Put your hands behind you...and watch you head when you get in the patrol car.
[20:20:59] <dmess> in order for the fall to start there has to be a differerntial firs..
[20:21:42] <Phydbleep> les: He's not trying to violate them.. He just wants to get to second base. :)
[20:21:46] <dmess> yes i am gating "mass" in at the top and out at the bottom
[20:22:00] <les> ?? what do you want to do?
[20:22:20] <Phydbleep> sounds like "Gravitic shielding"
[20:22:59] <Jymmm> * Jymmm revolks Phydbleep's Trekkie Membership
[20:23:21] <Phydbleep> shield B while A falls, shield A while B falls, rinse, repeat..
[20:23:57] <dmess> if the Gravity shield... scenario holds.. great... but it means with 1g differential... it'll make X Kwatts on every pull
[20:24:18] <Ircaddict> kwatts huh?
[20:24:23] <Ircaddict> watts are a rate
[20:24:31] <Ircaddict> do you mean joules?
[20:24:45] <dmess> sorry brain fart
[20:24:57] <dmess> but we'll get them too
[20:25:21] <dmess> its all Energy right
[20:25:28] <Phydbleep> dmess: Have you thought of doing the same basic thing using low-pressure geo-thermal steam to drive the pistons back to the top?
[20:25:40] <Jymmm> dmess so is me eating beans =)
[20:26:23] <Phydbleep> Jymmm: Yes, But no one has fled in terror from dmess's energy source yet. :)
[20:26:53] <Jymmm> Phydbleep : Hey, If I can clear a room in 2.3 seconds with just beans....
[20:27:26] <dmess> geo that deep isnt really that high... at 7800' down it was HOT to work... 130 F and 90% humidity... but cap it and its a sponge thats been mined for the last 100 yrs...
[20:28:41] <dmess> i wanna build a small perm magnet model .. to prove concept.. even if i only get milli volts
[20:29:10] <Jymmm> dmess model of what (I really haven't been keeping up)
[20:29:29] <dmess> get a pillow J
[20:29:37] <Ircaddict> I'll take "What the hell is going on here" for 500, Alex.
[20:29:37] <Phydbleep> dmess: Go get one of the "shake-it" flashlights and dissect it?
[20:29:43] <Jymmm> dmess tried, couldn't sleep
[20:29:58] <Jymmm> Phydbleep I have one of those
[20:30:04] <dmess> energy system im trying to get the math to fill in with the model
[20:30:59] <Jymmm> faraday's law
[20:31:22] <Phydbleep> dmess: I've got the #'s here somewhere.. I'm working on a geothermal generator system for some hippies. :)
[20:31:34] <dmess> Phydbleep... ive done so.. its a linear generator... i need/want 36" drop on the model..
[20:31:47] <Phydbleep> They have live steam on their property. :)
[20:32:12] <dmess> bonus bucks... where?
[20:32:45] <dmess> i'll go drill it ...open hole drilling
[20:33:00] <Phydbleep> dmess: 1. dont use metal pipe. (eddy currents) 2. chuck a piece of pvc in a lathe and wind coils on it. :)
[20:33:25] <Phydbleep> dmess: Jemez mtns in New Mexico.
[20:33:28] <Jymmm> pvc? ewwwww
[20:33:31] <dmess> i was gonna use cardboard...
[20:33:49] <dmess> PH i wanna visit .. ;)
[20:33:53] <Phydbleep> Line it with 1 mil tellon film then.
[20:34:01] <Phydbleep> teflon.
[20:34:07] <dmess> why??
[20:34:11] <Jymmm> teflon == toxic
[20:35:00] <dmess> once the coil is wrapped i wanna laquer and pull card tube
[20:35:02] <Phydbleep> Cardboard is rough as hell and the eddy currents from the coils are going to throw the magnet into the tube walls.
[20:35:24] <Phydbleep> Or use a piece of acrylic tubing.
[20:35:46] <dmess> not if the mag is guided by a length to dia. of say 6 to 1
[20:36:00] <dmess> glass wor any good??
[20:36:03] <Phydbleep> dmess: It's still try to rattle.
[20:36:11] <Phydbleep> It'll
[20:37:28] <dmess> ok well imagine the same bullwheel at the bottob with a similar ines hooked to the BOTTOMs of the torpedos...
[20:37:33] <Phydbleep> Your coil section length needs to be 70-90% of the magnet length for best effect. Stack more coils on the tube for longer pieces.
[20:37:45] <dmess> constant tension... no rattle..
[20:38:26] <dmess> so NOT 1 continuous coil.. but sections..
[20:38:42] <Phydbleep> Yeah, 70-90% of the magnet length.
[20:38:59] <dmess> how about quadrant sector coils??? 4 to a dia??
[20:39:30] <Phydbleep> 1"dia 6" L magnet should have 4-5 coils on a 36" tube.
[20:40:04] <Jymmm> you know this flashlight has a one farad cap in it, right?
[20:40:13] <dmess> so were talkin' .25 dia wire or so??
[20:40:35] <Phydbleep> #22?
[20:40:45] <Phydbleep> #22 AWG?
[20:40:50] <dmess> i figured the diode pack would need a cap in there somewhere..
[20:41:17] <Jymmm> WEll, were talking 1 F for a single LED
[20:41:19] <dmess> .25" dia
[20:41:38] <dmess> Jmmm i understand
[20:41:45] <Jymmm> dmess ok, carry on =)
[20:41:51] <Phydbleep> dmess: .25 dia magnet or wire?
[20:42:09] <dmess> am i just out to lunch.. cuz this ALL works in mines melon
[20:42:10] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep saw wire, but..
[20:42:17] <dmess> WIRE....
[20:42:55] <dmess> remember..its a mile and a half to bottom
[20:43:17] <Phydbleep> 700 coils.
[20:44:11] <Phydbleep> That's power generation. There'll be anothere 20 or so at the bottom for braking..
[20:44:46] <Phydbleep> unless you want that magnet to drill the hole deeper.
[20:45:53] <dmess> so why 700 coils???
[20:46:52] <Phydbleep> 12ft magnet.. 7200+ ft hole.. 700 10ft coils for power, 40 5 ft coils for brake.
[20:47:24] <Phydbleep> Did I miss anything?
[20:48:12] <dmess> braking is done when the top begins to get MASS gated into it... and the lower one gets mass gated out of it
[20:48:55] <Phydbleep> dmess: Leave the 40 5's in there.. Youll want a safety in case the cables break.
[20:49:05] <dmess> coils are feedback devices only NOT input devices
[20:50:08] <dmess> cables break... 200' of anti gravity... might have a chance ehh...
[20:50:18] <Phydbleep> dmess: Leave the 40 5's at the bottom wired for braking at ALL times... Set them below the others.
[20:50:52] <dmess> right.. what i was just mentioning to my wife..
[20:51:11] <dmess> bellow thje loading pocket
[20:51:23] <Phydbleep> 7800 ft? 750 coils / 100ft dead space / 40 5" brake coils.
[20:52:03] <dmess> 7500'
[20:52:44] <Phydbleep> 7500 ft? 710 coils / 100ft dead space top and bottom / 40 5" brake coils.
[20:53:15] <dmess> if i can show justification that we can make more E out of there than the haul gold now... they' GIVE it to me to try it out...
[20:56:32] <Phydbleep> dmess: Wait till they're at 12k ft and use 2 tubes? pump water down and use thermal exchange units?
[20:57:29] <Phydbleep> Hell, You could probably heat a town with the waste heat that's there now.
[20:57:46] <Jymmm> dmess : This flashlight also has a hole in it to exhaust air
[20:57:57] <Jymmm> pressure from the magnet itself
[20:59:43] <dmess> that hole is bottomed out its a skipping shaf right now.. it was never a GOLD hole.. was put there to elliminate 2 trams to the Winzie hoists
[20:59:55] <Jymmm> and I dont know why... but when the magnet leaves the coil, there's a sizable gap
[21:00:13] <dmess> where..
[21:00:20] <Phydbleep> Use a tubular magnet.. You're only really worried about the flux density at the interface area for the coil/magnet interactions.
[21:00:39] <dmess> and how do you know that ...you modelling it as we speak???
[21:01:20] <Jymmm> | |coil| <mag>|
[21:01:24] <dmess> add an inner core too??? ; )
[21:01:40] <Jymmm> the gap is about 1/4th the length of the magnet
[21:01:43] <Phydbleep> dmess: Modeled it a month ago for the geo-gen.. Trying to get the amount of NFeB down. :)
[21:02:05] <dmess> section of the mag you mean.. right
[21:02:44] <Phydbleep> dmess: No inner coil.. The hole is for air pressure equalisation.
[21:02:51] <Jymmm> dmess (talking out my ass here) But I think it has todo with the magnetic flex... letting it collapse compeltely as the magnet is at the end of it's travel
[21:03:00] <Jymmm> s/flex/flux/
[21:03:37] <Phydbleep> Yeah, You have to get the coill 99% out of the field, Thats why I said short coils.
[21:04:14] <dmess> end of travel.. or end of individual CIOLS
[21:04:19] <Jymmm> coil length == magnet length (too)
[21:04:47] <dmess> si
[21:05:24] <Phydbleep> Coil WINDING length == magnet length.. The coil former will make it longer.
[21:05:52] <Jymmm> what Phydbleep said
[21:06:12] <Jymmm> Phydbleep STFU if you dont know what I'm talking about =)
[21:06:18] <dmess> im seeing... after repeat beats to the head
[21:06:49] <Jymmm> Phydbleep Casue I sure in the hell dont' know what I'm syaing =)
[21:06:52] <Phydbleep> And at the velocity that thing will 'see' about 70-90% of the magnet.
[21:07:12] <Phydbleep> s/at the/at that
[21:07:26] <Jymmm> Hey.... how about a coiled tube ???
[21:07:27] <dmess> the is fine..
[21:07:57] <dmess> what you think were talking about
[21:08:10] <Jymmm> dmess NFC =)
[21:08:50] <Phydbleep> dmess: Might be more power to just stick a Saturn-V engine down there and use the tube for a MHD unit. :)
[21:09:26] <dmess> give another meaning to FIRE inTHE HOLE
[21:09:50] <Jymmm> dmess you have geo steam to bring the magnet back up ?
[21:10:18] <dmess> no... differential mass to bring the mass back up
[21:10:19] <Phydbleep> dmess: Way better than the way that requires pennicillin. :)
[21:11:26] <Phydbleep> dmess: I still dont see how you're going to get the mass differential..
[21:11:28] <dmess> who own a balance scale??
[21:12:02] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep has a ruler, a tack and some string.
[21:12:04] <Jymmm> how about reciculating ball bearing magnets =)
[21:12:14] <dmess> add mass to one side AS you remove mass from the other.... do the pans NOT accelerate???
[21:12:32] <Jymmm> isn't that pertetual motion?
[21:12:40] <Jymmm> perpetual
[21:13:06] <dmess> yes... and then... perpetual E.. but im NOt moving the same mass...
[21:13:24] <dmess> some in LOTS out..
[21:14:00] <Phydbleep> Yes, but then you have a light side and a heavy side and might as well put a cast iron paddlewheel in the skip shaft and let the infill turn it.
[21:15:22] <dmess> acceleration is calculated using Differential NOT mass and over 7000' it brings much E
[21:15:44] <Phydbleep> I'm assuming that this shaft is getting infilled with debris.
[21:15:56] <Jymmm> dmess how much E do you think is gonna be needed to bring that magnet(s) back up again?
[21:16:12] <Jymmm> you'll be fighting gravity then
[21:16:30] <dmess> both the up and down actions bring energy... sinsc they are both moving magnets thru a coil system
[21:16:46] <Jymmm> dmess two differnt coils you mean?
[21:18:07] <Jymmm> I'd suspect if you put two moving magnets near the same coil, they'll cancel each other out
[21:18:30] <Jymmm> dmess Got Water out there?
[21:18:31] <dmess> 2 different coils... one at the top of the cycle... over a pullu to bottom... attatched to same masse and magnet... except for a positive/vegative differential valve...
[21:18:52] <Jymmm> dmess how far are you from tthe coast?
[21:18:59] <Jymmm> the mine shaft
[21:19:03] <dmess> 2 different isolated coils..
[21:19:33] <dmess> coast of what... ontario in land locked
[21:19:42] <Jymmm> Ontario Calif?
[21:19:48] <dmess> canada
[21:20:00] <Jymmm> is that where the mine shaft is?
[21:20:32] <dmess> yes... Kirkland lake ontario Canada Planet earth...
[21:20:50] <dmess> 3rd little one from the sun
[21:21:21] <Jymmm> dmess : Ok, well what I was thinking is make the magnets bouant in water... and left them float to the top.
[21:21:45] <Jymmm> kinda like those tubes at the banks.
[21:21:45] <dmess> can we take this up in a feww i gotta dropp off the wife
[21:22:02] <Jymmm> kickin her to the curb huh?
[21:22:14] <Phydbleep> Not down the shaft I hope. :)
[21:22:35] <dmess> cant... sendin her to work.. on our anniversary.. even.. 15 yrs..
[21:22:40] <Jymmm> "Honey, could you look done this hole for me?"
[21:22:55] <Jymmm> down
[21:23:03] <Jymmm> dmess Happy Anniversary
[21:23:26] <dmess> thx... come lick the scars if you mean it ; )
[21:23:41] <Jymmm> * Jymmm kicks the scars!
[21:23:54] <dmess> brb... im gettin looks...
[21:24:38] <Jymmm> those are "puppy love" eyes! ROTF
[21:39:29] <Phydbleep> You mean like the way the puppy 'loved' my shoes to pieces?
[21:42:37] <Phydbleep> dmess: MSG for Mrs. dmess, We're only joking. Please do not do rude things to him with a melon-baller. :)
[21:45:20] <dmess> im back.. she didnt scold me... too much...
[21:49:38] <Phydbleep> Did she scold you too little?
[21:49:54] <dmess> not nearly enuf... ; (
[21:50:26] <dmess> 15 yrs ago today i was gettin in alotta shite
[21:50:35] <dmess> 'bout now
[21:51:07] <Phydbleep> Now it's "You blew up the garage? That's nice dear" ???
[21:51:39] <dmess> wedding was at 11:30... we were well OFF by this time... ; )
[21:52:25] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep would not complain.. It would give me an excuse to build a garage in the first place.
[21:53:07] <dmess> ive wrecked 9 vehicles since then... shes gotten alot of ... "im comin' home on the hook tales."
[21:53:48] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep only brings them home on the hook when he buys a beater..
[21:53:58] <dmess> i dont fix em any more... detroit makes lots of em...
[21:54:22] <Phydbleep> I won't buy most of what they're making now.
[21:54:48] <dmess> i drive beaters away... and bring em home on the hook.... to clear my shitou outta them...
[21:55:45] <dmess> 500$ for a propane powered suburban.... drove her for 200 000 Km
[21:56:18] <Phydbleep> * Phydbleep does not trust cars with a Ca $0.10 deposit notice embossed over the windshield.
[21:56:51] <dmess> gas suburban from a police auction 1500$... 2 yrs and i learned how to do tranny's on that one...
[21:56:56] <Phydbleep> $0.05 in OR and WA. :)
[21:57:45] <dmess> no deposit... solid vehicles... just got to steal them without the mask on..
[21:58:01] <Phydbleep> And the "Please Recycle" across the trunklid is just wrong..
[21:58:22] <Phydbleep> Oh..I was talking about the new cars. :)
[21:58:36] <dmess> i recycle them.... i also do my own crash testing though
[21:58:58] <Ircaddict> shit
[21:59:03] <Ircaddict> I just lost an assload of data
[21:59:08] <dmess> and when i send them away... trust me its DONE
[21:59:11] <Ircaddict> and this is what data recovery is gonna cost..
[21:59:12] <Ircaddict> * Economy 5-7 Business Day Service: $500-2700.
[21:59:12] <Ircaddict> There is a $200.00 attempt fee if the data is not recoverable.
[21:59:12] <Ircaddict> * Priority Round-the-Clock/Weekend Service: $1800-8900, with a $800.00 attempt fee.
[21:59:13] <Ircaddict> A special 10% discount will be applied to your final recovery cost. This discount does not apply to the attempt fee or to any backup media you may purchase.
[21:59:17] <Phydbleep> I buy beaters for <$250 if they'll drive home and <$50 if I have to tow them in..
[21:59:52] <dmess> you work on them too.. dont ya
[22:00:12] <dmess> Irc... bites to be YOU
[22:00:29] <Phydbleep> Not really.. 90% of the population is just dumbasses.. :)
[22:01:36] <Phydbleep> $35 VW, Blown fuse.. $75 Ford F250 4x4, Plugged fuel line.. Etc, etc..
[22:01:39] <dmess> i heard it said that 10% of the population has 90% of the wealth and 1 % has 90% of the knowledge
[22:02:09] <dmess> no rich know it alls out there
[22:02:22] <dmess> we're all broke
[22:03:09] <Phydbleep> Of that 1%, 90% are in it for the money and the rest of us could care less. :)
[22:03:15] <dmess> nice grab on the 4 x 4 ...too bad its a ford
[22:03:30] <dmess> ever seen a UNIMOG
[22:03:33] <dmess> ??
[22:03:57] <Phydbleep> I never even touched the Ford.. I traded it for a a 73 Audi LS100. :)
[22:04:24] <dmess> ahhh theres a car..
[22:05:07] <Phydbleep> dmess: Yeah, Unimog.. the bastard child of a Tonka-Toy and a Mercedes. :)
[22:05:54] <Ircaddict> ha ha
[22:06:01] <Phydbleep> There's several mog's in town.. The redneck love them for hunting buggies.
[22:06:41] <dmess> DAD had one for me to play with as a little child... i ran it in/out from the muckin' station at -550' AGL
[22:06:48] <Phydbleep> And then there's the guy who has one just to annoy Hummer-yuppies.
[22:07:05] <dmess> i was 7 yrs old at the tim
[22:07:07] <dmess> e
[22:07:53] <dmess> KOOL... i seen one near here has a car wrap saya hummer EXTRACTOR
[22:09:58] <dmess> the ultimate combo.... 33 ft/min @ full throttle.... hook onto the house if you want it moved over...
[22:10:50] <dmess> pull a train of 8-10 rail cars fully loaded
[22:11:28] <dmess> one day.... ; )=====~~~~
[22:14:03] <Jymmm> and hit the parking space that says "COMPACT"
[22:15:59] <dmess> nice little HEAVY toys...
[22:20:40] <dmess> NEVER under any circumstanses say you wll "help" a spouse with som data conversion... without EXPLICITly knowing wht the f@#$% your talking about.... note to self... shite... that shoulda been @ the beginning and i shouldn't have typed i
[22:23:39] <dmess> how do i make a powerpoint presenation into something presentable on a web site....
[22:24:07] <dmess> can i record a ppointpres as an mp3
[22:29:19] <Phydbleep> AVI maybe..
[22:30:00] <dmess> talk to me brother from another mother...
[22:30:52] <dmess> i can nip and tuc to avi for the farious links right,,,
[22:32:09] <dmess> fingers wont listen to the brain... with so much mag flux in the region... ow well sorry..
[22:32:16] <Phydbleep> dmess: google 'ppt to avi' second link down looks promising.
[22:33:31] <Phydbleep> Sorry, That's commercial and $49.95
[22:41:37] <dmess> demo... has shown me what i need.. i can have the reg'd one here tomorow...if i need it..
[22:41:47] <dmess> PERFECK...
[22:53:10] <dmess> NOT... try isnt fully functional..
[22:53:32] <dmess> but il get wifey to buy it
[22:56:41] <dmess> what else is out thtere
[23:01:31] <Jymmm> flash
[23:34:11] <dmess> gotta fly.
