#emc | Logs for 2005-04-13

[00:38:15] <paul_c> Hi Ray.
[00:40:00] <rayh> Hi Paul. Getting ready for the flight?
[00:40:49] <paul_c> nah... Leave that for next Thursday morning.
[00:43:36] <paul_c> Spent much of today (yesterday ?) working on an interp & trying to figure out problems from Sm with minimal info.
[00:50:44] <rayh> What did SM say.
[00:52:27] <paul_c> XP not on the grub menu, some problem with sync rates & Xfree86
[00:53:06] <paul_c> the grub issue was most likely because they didn't add XP at the bootloader screen...
[00:53:30] <paul_c> the sync rates need investigating further...
[00:54:02] <paul_c> Like what resolution is being selected for the screen, and what does the monitor support...
[00:55:00] <paul_c> If they are picking the highest res. the card provides, then it will kick up problems if the monitor won't do it.
[00:58:46] <paul_c> remind me tomorrow, and I'll forward the questions & replies on to you.
[01:00:17] <Jymmm> paul_c can't use DDC senso data?
[01:00:19] <Jymmm> sense
[01:02:08] <Jymmm> paul_c : http://pinouts.ru/data/VGA15_pinout.shtml
[01:02:49] <paul_c> monitor returns 1400x1050
[01:02:58] <Jymmm> sound slike my laptop
[01:03:05] <paul_c> usr selects 1600x1400 for screen display.
[01:03:22] <paul_c> ddcprobe doesn't help.
[01:03:54] <Jymmm> ah, ok. Yeah, I can override DDC, and sometimes I actually do.
[01:04:09] <dmess> yeah.. thats the probe thate puked with #2 moitor
[01:04:22] <paul_c> and not all mnitors support probing
[01:04:45] <Jymmm> I hate when I set the MAX monitor setting, then adj the resolution to highter than that... the screen scrolls and is annoying as hell.
[01:04:48] <dmess> might also have been the case
[01:06:08] <Jymmm> paul_c was the 1400x1050 from a laptop by chance?
[01:07:26] <paul_c> dunno - All I got was a report that Xfree86 was saying sync rate out of range.
[01:07:39] <paul_c> No details of hardware, no logs, nothing.
[01:07:48] <Jymmm> paul_cL Some KVM switches dont pass thru the DDC signals
[01:08:25] <dmess> my KVM switch wont let linux boot.. i removed it
[01:08:52] <paul_c> Jymmm: Phone a garage and tell 'em your car won't start and ask them to tell you what the fault is.
[01:08:55] <Jymmm> really? never heard of that one
[01:09:17] <Jymmm> paul_c : I'm just trying to help damnit!
[01:09:19] <Jymmm> =)
[01:09:31] <paul_c> I know....
[01:09:39] <dmess> works fone in 'Doze boxes
[01:09:51] <Jymmm> dmess what brand?
[01:10:41] <dmess> SMART viev intelligent KVM
[01:10:47] <Jymmm> lol
[01:11:00] <Jymmm> sounds pretty dumbass to me
[01:11:00] <dmess> piece a kiff as best i can tell
[01:11:22] <dmess> it is... im a dumbass
[01:11:24] <paul_c> well... Time for bed.
[01:11:32] <Jymmm> my main kvm is blackbox, my second is linksys
[01:11:38] <Jymmm> G'Night paul_c
[01:11:44] <dmess> gnite P
[01:11:51] <Jymmm> POOF!
[01:12:04] <dmess> there he was gone
[01:12:22] <Jymmm> but.... was he ever really here?!?!?!
[01:12:44] <dmess> its a mystery///
[01:13:16] <Jymmm> * Jymmm contacts Ripley's
[01:13:47] <dmess> need to know only... ; )
[01:15:27] <Jymmm> dmess do you have "Machinery Handbook" by chance?
[01:25:59] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone know what the two tapers are for a Ericson/Double Angle 300 (DA300)?
[01:26:47] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A 42, the answer is 42.
[01:27:01] <Jymmm> no idea on the question though =)
[01:31:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.parlec.com/images/pdf/tol__2_angle.pdf bottom of page1. There's a diagram. There's three tapers/chamfers. The left most is not critical. The middle, and right chamfers are. I want to know what angles they are.
[01:35:03] <Jymmm> call them in the morning maybe?
[01:35:44] <SWP_Away> The right one shouldn't be critical either
[01:35:48] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[01:36:18] <SWPadnos> Only the middle one, which causes the compression, should really matter
[01:36:55] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, the tip does too... but I "HAVE" the closing nut already. I'm remaking the extension.
[01:37:16] <SWPadnos> Right - I just noticed that there's a closing nut there :)
[01:37:31] <A-L-P-H-A> hence "double" angle. :)
[01:50:40] <Jymmm> is that soem tool changer coolect or something?
[01:50:45] <Jymmm> collet
[01:51:58] <dmess> sorry..dmess had to talk to his dad.. and yes i have machnist H/B locked up away from my son's
[01:52:22] <Jymmm> dmess why locked up from him?
[01:53:19] <dmess> HTEM... i have 2. hey are the masters of disaster
[01:53:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm collet holder for myself.
[01:53:42] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A for a tool changer?
[01:54:06] <dmess> Er300... i believe are double anded 30 degrees arent they??
[01:54:10] <A-L-P-H-A> no. I have the "EXT 500" from that pdf I posted. I remaking the extension, to fit my needs.
[01:54:14] <Jymmm> dmess so your syaing your sons are thiefing bastards and you'ld never see it again the day they set eyes on it?
[01:54:20] <A-L-P-H-A> dmess, I don't know. that's why I'm asking.
[01:54:31] <SWPadnos> It looks like the two angles on the collet are the same (which makes sense), so you should make the extension have the same angle as the closing nut
[01:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> the taper is so short, I don't know if it is 30 or what.
[01:54:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll look up ER300
[01:56:18] <dmess> i beliive it a straight sleeve with front and back 30 degree x abot .08" shoulder with a .2" land across the top... been a while
[01:56:41] <A-L-P-H-A> dmess? where did you get that info? [I can't find it anywhere]
[01:57:01] <dmess> kennametal cat somewhere...
[01:57:05] <A-L-P-H-A> not in Machinery's Handbook either. [but I'll check again, cause I didn't change ER300, just DA300]
[01:58:23] <dmess> fyi.. some of this shite i just remember eh''
[01:58:35] <dmess> dont ask me why
[01:59:01] <dmess> let me go find some specs..
[02:07:30] <dmess> gotta go.. gat a 12 yr old problem to reconcile...
[02:07:39] <A-L-P-H-A> dmess? can't find the info?
[02:08:22] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hands dmess a case of duct tape for his 12 yo problem
[02:10:01] <Jymmm> howdy asdfqwega
[02:10:03] <A-L-P-H-A> do kids come with pink slips? just give the pink slips to someone who wants it.. maybe have an acution.
[02:10:31] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Blame Lincoln for that
[02:10:43] <Jymmm> all that no slavery thing
[02:11:55] <asdfqwega> Kids should come with a manual, washing instructions...and a reciept.
[02:12:11] <Jymmm> anda 30 year return policy
[02:13:07] <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, Aftermarket manuals [how to for parenting], washing instruction are included in the aftermarket manuals. reciept is the hospital bill, and birth certicate.
[02:13:45] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega checks for his UPC symbol
[02:14:02] <Jymmm> asdfqwega s/dna/upc/
[02:14:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I think they have barcodes now on little kids... those braclet thingies.
[02:15:22] <SWPadnos> well - that's annoying
[02:15:37] <SWPadnos> You can get drawings of those collets from Kennametal
[02:15:46] <SWPadnos> but I can't seem to import them into anything
[02:16:06] <asdfqwega> Don't they say which format?
[02:16:07] <Jymmm> SWPadnos url?
[02:16:40] <SWPadnos> go to kennametal.com, and click on "cad drawings" (at the bottom right of the metalworking flash)
[02:17:09] <SWPadnos> enter 300DA in the catalog number search box, and then pick one of the part numbers
[02:17:37] <SWPadnos> the format is dxf, but Corel Draw, CadMax, and PartMaster all have problems with the file
[02:19:37] <asdfqwega> logger_aj, bookmark
[02:19:37] <asdfqwega> See
[02:57:46] <SWPadnos> Later, Guys
[02:57:56] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[02:58:01] <Jymmm> have a good evening SWP_Away
[05:45:33] <Jymmm> Right, but what about clamoing it ?
[05:45:36] <Jymmm> clamping
[05:45:46] <alex_joni> that's trickier ;)
[05:45:52] <alex_joni> what diameters do you want
[05:45:55] <alex_joni> or what range?
[05:46:00] <Jymmm> and also making sure the stcok is at 90 degrees
[05:46:38] <Jymmm> .125" - 4"
[05:48:47] <alex_joni> any ideea what a Six Sigma Black Belt is?
[05:48:57] <alex_joni> use the stuff that's on a lathe
[05:49:08] <alex_joni> don't know what it's called
[05:49:26] <Jymmm> dead/live center ?
[05:49:36] <Jymmm> blk belt with red strip?
[05:52:09] <alex_joni> Six Sigma is based upon improving processes by understanding and controlling variation, thus improving predictability of business processes.
[05:52:46] <Jymmm> ok, makes sense.
[05:55:37] <alex_joni> some kind of training
[05:55:39] <alex_joni> anyways
[05:57:20] <Jymmm> some trainging you have to attend?
[05:58:04] <alex_joni> nope
[05:58:16] <alex_joni> somebody else has, and I wanted to see what it coveres
[05:58:45] <Jymmm> SOunds like some Japanese JIT methodology
[05:59:15] <alex_joni> heh
[05:59:20] <alex_joni> yeah smthg like that
[05:59:52] <alex_joni> lol
[05:59:56] <alex_joni> do you know LOTUS ?
[06:01:23] <alex_joni> Let Only The Users Suffer
[06:01:25] <alex_joni> :))
[06:04:44] <Jymmm> lol, nope
[06:41:57] <A-L-P-H-A> morning folks
[06:42:14] <Jymmm> Howdy
[06:45:29] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, swpados found that angle for me.
[06:46:08] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A ah, he got the drawing opened up?
[06:47:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I got them opened up.
[06:47:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I just tried now, after I went to sleep and came back
[06:47:40] <Jymmm> cool, what did you use?
[06:47:49] <A-L-P-H-A> 5 hours of sleep. :)
[06:47:50] <A-L-P-H-A> autocad 2005
[06:48:13] <Jymmm> shit, another file format to deal with. sigh
[07:03:55] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[07:04:03] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[07:04:23] <anonimasu> morning
[07:07:16] <A-L-P-H-A> hello anonimasu
[07:08:36] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[07:08:46] <alex_joni> late shift last night?
[07:08:47] <alex_joni> :D
[07:09:24] <anonimasu> yeah a bit..
[07:09:32] <anonimasu> been making a webpage for the company
[07:09:33] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as alex_joni_buying
[07:09:39] <alex_joni_buying> nice?
[07:09:47] <anonimasu> not really.. too little time
[07:09:50] <alex_joni_buying> alex_joni_buying is now known as alex_joni_away
[07:10:02] <anonimasu> it's ok :)
[07:24:39] <alex_joni_away> * alex_joni_away will be back later
[07:24:41] <alex_joni_away> bye guys
[09:27:05] <alex_joni_away> alex_joni_away is now known as alex_joni
[09:48:50] <alex_joni> gmorning paul_c
[09:48:55] <alex_joni> hey an0n, wb
[09:48:58] <anonimasu> thanks
[09:49:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is bored :)
[09:49:02] <paul_c> Morning
[09:49:04] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is bored too
[09:49:10] <alex_joni> damn quiet today :)
[09:49:22] <anonimasu> I am trying to make myself spam@somthing.com so I can just forward spam there to include it in my filter
[09:49:35] <anonimasu> but that dosent work with spamassassin..
[09:49:37] <alex_joni> using spamassassin ?
[09:49:40] <alex_joni> why not?
[09:49:40] <anonimasu> yeah
[09:49:52] <anonimasu> cause it'll filter the forwarding stuff also..
[09:52:18] <anonimasu> If I do it like that I need to unpack the attached message..
[09:54:07] <alex_joni> tough ;)
[09:54:25] <alex_joni> paul_c: what's up?
[09:55:10] <anonimasu> alex_joni: it has to be automatical..
[10:01:34] <anonimasu> reformime works..
[10:04:01] <les> hello all
[10:04:12] <alex_joni> hey les
[10:04:24] <les> got an email from another commercial guy that wanted to try emc
[10:04:29] <alex_joni> heh.. cool
[10:04:45] <les> He siad he was going to order an STG card
[10:05:10] <les> I did not tell him about motenc.
[10:05:43] <les> I suppose I still have to consider the motenc as not proven though.
[10:06:27] <les> I cannot verify that is is stable and reliable like the old stg.
[10:06:59] <alex_joni> heh.. did you try the motenc?
[10:07:22] <les> nope but someone near here has
[10:07:36] <anonimasu> hm
[10:07:37] <les> I ought to give him a call
[10:07:41] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:07:57] <les> There are several running motors on benches
[10:08:17] <les> but this is the only one on a machine I think.
[10:09:56] <anonimasu> ok
[10:48:12] <alex_joni> an0n: still around?
[10:55:03] <alex_joni> nevermind.. done already
[11:16:41] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yes
[11:17:02] <alex_joni> was wondering smthg about php, but figured it out eventually
[11:17:04] <Jymmm> alex_joni: maybe -OR- D) All The Above
[11:17:09] <alex_joni> had to use $_POST[]
[11:17:32] <Jymmm> alex_joni say what?
[11:18:12] <Jymmm> alex_joni : were you using register globals?
[11:18:37] <alex_joni> not me.. a webpage I was debugging ;)
[11:18:43] <Jymmm> ah
[11:18:43] <alex_joni> I updated the server
[11:18:45] <alex_joni> and php
[11:18:50] <alex_joni> so it stopped working :D
[11:19:02] <Jymmm> must have been an OLD server
[11:19:22] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[11:19:36] <Jymmm> they were turned off LONG ago
[11:22:36] <alex_joni> I guess...
[11:33:06] <anonimasu> hm, I got a mail from a guy named bj�rn..
[11:33:12] <anonimasu> about emc
[11:33:34] <alex_joni> cool
[11:33:38] <alex_joni> what does he want?
[11:33:40] <anonimasu> asking me what I did to get rid of my problem :)
[11:33:46] <anonimasu> and if I had any experience with emc..
[11:38:02] <Jymmm> what was your problem (in short) ?
[11:38:30] <alex_joni> lack of knowledge *g*
[11:38:51] <alex_joni> some RTFM did wonders
[11:39:07] <Jymmm> beats large quantities of stupidity
[11:39:08] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:39:25] <anonimasu> nope, the trouble is that if you switch to relative the mdi mode is still in absolute..
[11:39:27] <anonimasu> ^_^
[11:39:47] <anonimasu> and that it somtimes switced while running a program..
[11:39:56] <Jymmm> wha?!!!!!!!!1
[11:40:03] <anonimasu> err while stopping a program and then running a mdi command..
[11:40:06] <Jymmm> oh that's nice...... NOT
[11:40:15] <anonimasu> oh, I just start in absolute always now
[11:40:19] <anonimasu> it's not a issue if you know it..
[11:40:36] <Jymmm> that kinda sucks too.... sorta kinda
[11:40:43] <anonimasu> but I assume that emc should always be in the mode I set it to if I set it manually if my programs dosent change it..
[11:40:51] <anonimasu> so it's both a luser problem and a interface problem..
[11:41:18] <alex_joni> remember LOTUS
[11:41:31] <Jymmm> * Jymmm does
[11:41:44] <alex_joni> heh
[11:42:00] <anonimasu> lotus?
[11:42:11] <alex_joni> Let Only The User Suffer
[11:43:31] <anonimasu> haha
[11:49:24] <anonimasu> nice
[11:54:45] <anonimasu> nice slogal
[11:54:47] <anonimasu> slogan
[11:54:59] <alex_joni> anyways...
[11:55:06] <alex_joni> how's weather up there an0n?
[12:06:20] <anonimasu> sunny
[12:06:22] <anonimasu> and pretty watrm
[12:06:23] <anonimasu> warm
[12:06:24] <anonimasu> :)
[12:07:28] <alex_joni> cool
[12:07:35] <alex_joni> no more snowboarding heh?
[12:07:41] <anonimasu> no :/
[12:07:58] <anonimasu> although I havent been able to ski for a while even when it's been snow
[12:08:06] <alex_joni> how come?
[12:10:41] <anonimasu> had a bad winter
[12:11:25] <alex_joni> yeah.. same here... I didn't get the chance to ski for what I would have wanted to
[12:12:21] <anonimasu> :/
[12:13:32] <anonimasu> work takes all time
[12:13:32] <anonimasu> almost
[12:13:59] <anonimasu> bleh
[12:14:02] <anonimasu> stupid PLC's..
[12:14:05] <alex_joni> heh
[12:14:20] <anonimasu> I wanted to have a array of pointers..
[12:14:26] <anonimasu> in a memory object...
[12:14:37] <anonimasu> well, I'll encapsulate the objects instead..
[12:14:45] <anonimasu> dosent matter but a array would have been neat
[12:24:46] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps the plc
[12:32:13] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[12:32:31] <SWPadnos> hiya folks
[12:34:06] <alex_joni> hey SWP
[12:39:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[12:39:27] <alex_joni> bye guys
[13:04:02] <A-L-P-H-A> hello SWPadnos.
[13:04:21] <SWPadnos> Hi A-L-P-H-A
[13:04:36] <SWPadnos> I see you got the collet info - that's cool
[13:05:44] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, yeah. I got the info. need to buy some metal to make it... horray for metal store... it'll probably cost me $5 for two feet of steel... they always charge me $5...
[13:06:03] <SWPadnos> heh - grab two and see if it's still $5 :)
[13:06:07] <A-L-P-H-A> need an M11x1.25 die to make the collet as well. :)
[13:06:13] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, it will be.
[13:06:32] <A-L-P-H-A> only time I get charged more, is if something significant... or new uncut stock.
[13:06:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm usually picking out of the off cuts.
[13:06:49] <A-L-P-H-A> shit, I'm wearing white too.
[13:06:55] <SWPadnos> that's my trick as well - $0.45 - $0.50/pound
[13:06:58] <A-L-P-H-A> fack... do I change into jeans? or just be careful?
[13:07:14] <SWPadnos> Just get the whites dirty, and you won't have to worry about it any more
[13:07:44] <A-L-P-H-A> seeing stupid girls today.
[13:08:06] <A-L-P-H-A> If they cancel on me today, again, I'm gonna not talk to them for a while.
[13:08:06] <SWPadnos> tell them the pants are supposed to have that greasy streak (like ripped knees)
[13:08:35] <A-L-P-H-A> i'm a little preppy... they knew better. they're stupid, but not that stupid. :)
[13:08:57] <SWPadnos> bummer
[13:08:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I actually think one of them maybe smarter than me... but definitely not the other two.
[13:09:10] <SWPadnos> Well - I gues sit's jeans and gloves then
[13:09:25] <A-L-P-H-A> oh! latex gloves. Good call.
[13:09:37] <A-L-P-H-A> and some old bags for the trunk.
[13:10:14] <SWPadnos> it's a real bummer - large-ish tapping heads are pretty darned expensive
[13:10:26] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, what sizer?
[13:10:27] <A-L-P-H-A> size?
[13:10:50] <SWPadnos> Looking at the Tapmatic 70X or 70TC/DC - I need to tap various NPT sizes
[13:11:16] <SWPadnos> I already have a 30TC/DC, so the #10 - 5/8 or 3/4 range is good
[13:11:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I bought a 1-9/16" tap... cost a $55USD shipped... I was quoted like $200CDN + taxes locally.
[13:11:26] <A-L-P-H-A> ebay good.
[13:11:42] <SWPadnos> ebay not so good these days - $300 is the lowest I see for the size I need
[13:11:50] <A-L-P-H-A> shibby
[13:11:53] <A-L-P-H-A> travers.com?
[13:11:58] <A-L-P-H-A> mcsdirect.com?
[13:12:02] <A-L-P-H-A> mcmaster.com?
[13:12:08] <SWPadnos> MSC = $800 or more
[13:12:09] <A-L-P-H-A> mcsdirect price competes.
[13:12:48] <SWPadnos> travers = $760
[13:13:28] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: have you tried threadmilling?
[13:13:59] <SWPadnos> nope = I'm not sure it would work, since the bore is pretty small (relative to the thread)
[13:14:29] <anonimasu> http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-threadmilling.htm
[13:14:35] <anonimasu> hm, how small`
[13:14:35] <anonimasu> ?
[13:14:51] <anonimasu> I think there are tiny threadmills
[13:15:03] <SWPadnos> well - a 1/4 NPT thread is 18TPI, and a 7/16 hole (I think - it may be 9/16)
[13:15:27] <anonimasu> hm I have no clue in mm
[13:15:47] <anonimasu> 6mm hole..
[13:15:55] <anonimasu> there should be threadmills small enough
[13:16:08] <SWPadnos> this would be roughly M12-1.25
[13:16:22] <SWPadnos> or M11-1.25
[13:18:45] <anonimasu> you should check into it :)
[13:18:52] <SWPadnos> Yep
[13:19:02] <SWPadnos> I think I prefer the speed of tapping though
[13:19:08] <paul_c> M12x1.25 is one of the fine series - generally, non-preferred
[13:19:41] <SWPadnos> That was just my approximation of 1/4-18 NPT
[13:20:48] <paul_c> M12x1.5
[13:22:24] <SWPadnos> Looking it up, it's .49" (12.5mm) x 18 TPI, so it's even better for threadmilling
[13:22:33] <SWPadnos> but a tapper would be way faster, I imagine
[13:48:17] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: that depends on your mill..
[13:48:17] <anonimasu> :9
[13:48:23] <anonimasu> ^-^
[13:48:37] <rayh> paul_c: You around?
[13:48:46] <anonimasu> I am going to try threadmilling someday soon
[13:48:49] <SWPadnos> Bridgeport with 2HP head
[13:49:03] <anonimasu> if your mill can keep feeds/speeds..
[13:49:14] <anonimasu> err feed.. that is..
[13:49:35] <SWPadnos> the servos will be able to keep up (28 in-lb with 2: 1 drive)
[13:49:52] <anonimasu> hm, try it then :
[13:49:53] <anonimasu> :)
[13:50:06] <SWPadnos> one day, when I actaully atatch the servos to the machine, I will :)
[13:50:14] <anonimasu> lol
[13:51:43] <SWPadnos> nonetheless - the threadmills from carbidedepot were in the $hundreds each
[13:51:53] <paul_c> Hi Ray.
[13:53:02] <anonimasu> hm, the smaller the hole the better with taps..
[13:53:36] <anonimasu> < 0.40"
[13:53:39] <SWPadnos> yep - and 1/2 inch is pretty small in this context
[13:54:47] <anonimasu> if you'r tapping > 4" threadmilling is a must ;)
[13:55:03] <SWPadnos> I'll remember that the next time I build a Submarine :)
[13:55:34] <anonimasu> lol.. 4" taps are over 500�
[13:55:35] <anonimasu> $
[13:56:59] <anonimasu> http://www.seagategrinding.com/PRICES/threadmills.html
[13:57:02] <anonimasu> I think that's the prices
[13:57:42] <SWPadnos> oh yeah - the 4"-8 tap is $607.91 at MSC
[13:58:33] <SWPadnos> that seagategrinding price is for sharpening, not the tap itself ;)
[13:59:10] <anonimasu> I should check out what a seco threadmill costs..
[13:59:13] <anonimasu> or a dormer one..
[14:22:01] <A-L-P-H-A> well, I'm off to meet up with people I don't particularly really want to meet up with. horray. my day just got a little more gloomy. stupid girls.
[14:27:07] <SWPadnos> woohoo - my new supply discharge resistors just arrived
[14:39:56] <cradek> screwdrivers are good for discharging big caps.
[14:40:11] <SWPadnos> if you have an automated screwdriver-inserter :)
[14:40:52] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure I'd want to be around for dual 17000 uF caps at 85V discharging through a screw driver
[14:41:13] <cradek> what value of resistor did you get?
[14:41:36] <SWPadnos> two types: 10 ohm 95W, and 6.8 ohm 220W
[14:43:01] <cradek> I hope you don't intend to put 85V across either of those
[14:43:24] <cradek> if you do, you'll have a big surprise.
[14:43:48] <SWPadnos> intermittent duty, so the extra 500 watts is OK :)
[14:44:04] <SWPadnos> (these are big wirewould resistors)
[14:44:09] <SWPadnos> wound
[14:45:08] <cradek> so they only are in circuit after you turn it off?
[14:45:37] <SWPadnos> They'll be connected by a variant of Mariss' load dump circuit
[14:46:07] <SWPadnos> so only on overvoltage (motor decel) and powerdown (when the supply is higher than the line)
[14:54:11] <rayh> I need a bit of help with xp linux dual boot -- anyone?
[14:54:38] <SWPadnos> I can sort of help on the Linux side, but I'm totally non-XP-centric :)
[14:58:37] <rayh> This is grub and 4.20
[14:58:44] <rayh> xp is the first partition
[14:59:38] <SWPadnos> OK - did you enter the XP partition info during the "Boot Manager Configuration" when installing 4.20?
[15:00:29] <paul_c> looking @ the grub menu, yes.
[15:00:51] <SWPadnos> heh - you seem to have a little more info than I :)
[15:01:15] <SWPadnos> (in more ways than one, on this subject)
[15:01:37] <rayh> I found a howto that may help.
[15:04:11] <asdfqwega> rayh: If at all possible, keep linux and XP on separate harddrives
[15:05:24] <paul_c> * paul_c needs coffee...
[15:05:26] <asdfqwega> I'm linux-centric myself, and in times past it has caused me great annoyance to have to restore the XP boot loader
[15:05:46] <asdfqwega> restore boot loader == re-install XP :P
[15:06:13] <paul_c> you're an expert at XP & grub then !
[15:06:48] <SWPadnos> Microsoft Tech Support: "The brakes are shot - you'll have to get a new car"
[15:06:50] <asdfqwega> Not so much an expert with grub...although I'm starting to like it more than lilo
[15:07:20] <paul_c> Can i defer to you then.
[15:08:08] <asdfqwega> I suppose...
[15:09:36] <rayh> XP is the first partition --. rootnoverify (hd0,0)?
[15:10:07] <rayh> chainloader +1
[15:10:13] <rayh> makeactive
[15:10:34] <rayh> boot??
[15:11:44] <rayh> That is what I've gathered so far.
[15:12:14] <asdfqwega> I haven't seen the rootnoverify term before
[15:13:12] <asdfqwega> My debian Sarge simple uses 'root'
[15:13:27] <rayh> Okay. I've seen both.
[15:13:39] <asdfqwega> and the chainloader +1, makeactive lines
[15:15:27] <asdfqwega> So what does it do when you try to boot XP?
[15:15:42] <asdfqwega> Blank screen?
[15:15:55] <rayh> Don't know yet. Still trying to set the file the first time.
[15:16:06] <jepler> "[rootnoverify is s]imilar to `root', but doesn't attempt to mount the partition" -- "info grub"
[15:16:47] <rayh> In previous days it was kicking up some pages of info and then falling back to grub.
[15:17:53] <asdfqwega> I'm on a KVM switch with Mandrake (this) and my debian systems - info grub is two clicks and 15 seconds away
[15:18:51] <asdfqwega> Slooowly moving all my stuff over to Debian
[15:19:46] <rayh> Tried info grub here and it doesn't show much at all.
[15:19:57] <rayh> Must be limited info in the bdi.
[15:25:16] <rayh> Thanks for the xp help
[15:40:31] <paul_c> Evening Deech
[15:41:14] <Deech> Morning here, but the sentiment's the same. :)
[15:42:05] <Deech> I typically wait a few minutes before jumping into the channel conversation, just to be polite.. but it doesn't seem to be that busy.
[15:42:38] <Deech> I'm investigating the possiblity of using emc in an industrial robotic application.
[15:42:56] <paul_c> reckon "Morning" would put you somewhere in Montana...
[15:43:22] <Deech> Actually, St. Louis. It's about 10 to Noon here.
[15:43:47] <Deech> Still technically morning. :)
[15:45:12] <paul_c> geography was never one of my strong points..
[15:45:54] <Deech> Sadly, I wasn't chosen as the guy to develop this idea because of my skills in CNC and motion control, but rather because I'm the guy "who figures things out".. so here I am.. figuring.
[15:46:17] <paul_c> So what sort of robot had you in mind ?
[15:46:22] <Deech> I'll have questions, but I'm going to read the handbook and other doc before I plunge in.
[15:46:45] <Deech> it's an inventory storage and retreval system.
[15:46:45] <paul_c> Nooo... No one reads the docs.
[15:46:49] <Deech> lol
[15:47:40] <Deech> basically, a robotic picker will pull/put pallets off a grid of shelves.
[15:48:40] <Deech> the software side I've got a good handle on, I'm currently trying to figure out how I'm to interface the steppers and the parrellel port.
[15:48:53] <paul_c> google around for NIST and "Flying carpet"
[15:48:59] <Deech> I know it should go to a translator/controller, but I'm still fuzzy on what exaclty that is and does.
[15:49:05] <Deech> hum.
[15:49:44] <paul_c> NIST did some work on a cable operated hexapod for materials handling...
[15:50:43] <Deech> interesting.
[15:51:42] <paul_c> 'pending on the loads involved, I don't think steppers are going to be powerfull enough..
[15:52:36] <Deech> Wow. that's wild looking.
[15:52:49] <paul_c> You found it ?
[15:52:53] <Deech> Yep.
[15:53:18] <Deech> multicable crane. nifty
[15:53:28] <Deech> Not anything like what we're doing, but still pretty cool.
[15:53:39] <rayh> An intermediate solution to wimpy steppers would be servos with
[15:53:49] <rayh> rutex drives.
[15:53:58] <rayh> You can keep the parport that way.
[15:54:36] <Deech> Well, I don't think the motors themselves are going to be the problem. Creative gearing and enginerring should be able to overcome that.
[15:55:10] <Deech> that's not my problem.. yet, anyway.
[15:55:11] <Deech> :)
[15:55:15] <rayh> How heavy are the loads?
[15:55:25] <paul_c> It isn't as if you need sub-micron accuracy
[15:55:52] <Deech> top end is 300lbs.
[15:56:53] <paul_c> * paul_c has an image of NEMA17 steppers geared up to haul 150Kg loads....
[15:57:05] <SWPadnos> at 1IPM :)
[15:57:22] <paul_c> 1 inch per month ?
[15:57:31] <SWPadnos> yep - max rapid
[15:57:52] <SWPadnos> 1 Industrial Pallet / Month
[15:58:12] <paul_c> Hrrmmm... Wonder how many bulbs that would be..
[15:59:41] <SWPadnos> Wasn't it 572?
[15:59:46] <Deech> What huh? What joke did I miss?
[16:00:06] <paul_c> goes back a month or two...
[16:00:32] <SWPadnos> A (too) long joke about discussion of changing light bulbs on an internet forum
[16:00:44] <paul_c> SWPadnos: Do you have a URL rather than pasting the whole lot again ?
[16:01:15] <SWPadnos> I think it was either yesterday or the day before, logger_aj should have it
[16:01:16] <Deech> Ah. Ok.
[16:01:23] <SWPadnos> logger_aj, bookmark
[16:01:23] <SWPadnos> See
[16:01:36] <SWPadnos> just change the date, when you have a lot of free time :)
[16:01:41] <Deech> Well, I'm having a meeting with the lead on the project this afternoon to discuss the motors themselves.
[16:01:55] <Deech> I'll know more about it after that.
[16:02:32] <Deech> I'm hoping if this works out, we'll have some good stuff to contribute back to the community.
[16:02:57] <paul_c> Well... EMC is modular enough that you can use just the RT motion and plug your own interface in
[16:03:12] <paul_c> or you could use G-Codes...
[16:03:44] <Deech> I'll be developing our own interface for it. Probably going to use an LCD touchscreen or something like it.
[16:03:55] <SWPadnos> out of curiosity, can you have non-coordinated moves now?
[16:04:15] <Deech> I don't have anything right now. I'm still figuring out what direction to go.
[16:04:23] <paul_c> as in command a multi axis move
[16:04:42] <paul_c> and have each axis run independantly ?
[16:04:47] <SWPadnos> no - as in command individual axes, without affecting any motion on the other axes
[16:05:17] <paul_c> You can command a single axis move
[16:05:29] <paul_c> but that assumes the others are at rest
[16:05:30] <Deech> well, I'm off for lunch. Thanks for the convo. I'm hoping to have more intellegent questions later.
[16:06:08] <paul_c> * paul_c looks at a map of E. USA...
[16:06:33] <paul_c> Hmm... St. L. isn't far from DC
[16:06:43] <SWPadnos> remember the scale of the US :)
[16:07:00] <Deech> lol. Only about 24 hours drive time.
[16:07:17] <paul_c> one thumb = 100 miles..
[16:07:34] <SWPadnos> one thumb across, or lengthwise? ;)
[16:15:27] <asdf-qwee> Don't forget...if you press your thumb flat, it adds 40 miles
[16:16:10] <SWPadnos> and if you accidentally hit it with a hammer the day before you look at the map, it adds another 37 miles :)
[16:28:11] <rayh> 804 miles gburg to stl
[16:29:03] <paul_c> A day's drive...
[16:32:21] <rayh> Most is freeway so 65+mph
[16:33:20] <SWPadnos> 12 hours or so each way
[17:15:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[17:24:44] <kjensen> Do you need to install rtai with bdi-4.18, or is it done already? I played around with patching a kernel with the latest stable rtai patch, but can't seem to emc to run. Do I need to be concerned about creating rtai kernel, or is it already done?
[17:26:46] <paul_c> All the BDI disks come with a prepatched and compiled kernel.
[17:27:04] <kjensen> great
[17:30:18] <rayh> kjensen: IMO the BDI is the only way to do one of these unless you really need some other distro in order to handle some special other software.
[18:13:35] <paul_c> time to go and burn some food
[18:50:12] <Jymmm> Heh... Escape From Alcatraz (1979)
[19:37:00] <robin_sz> meep?
[19:37:06] <anonimasu> meep
[19:37:33] <robin_sz> ca va?
[19:37:42] <SWPadnos> ja va
[19:37:44] <Jymmm> yo
[19:38:26] <robin_sz> another busy day interviewing people :)
[19:38:52] <robin_sz> this bloke was actually OK, which is a bit of a shock
[19:40:21] <asdf-qwee> These days, it always is
[19:41:54] <Jymmm> robin_sz Hire Me, I can make your life a livign hell, just for the fun of it!
[19:42:05] <Jymmm> it'll keep you on your toes
[19:42:36] <asdf-qwee> Yeah, so the noose don't tighten too much
[19:47:24] <robin_sz> the general idea is that they make my life easier, and i give them money
[19:47:45] <robin_sz> if they make my life a living hell, the money supply will be cut.
[19:48:19] <anonimasu> robin_sz: nice
[19:48:37] <robin_sz> its the only way
[19:48:48] <Jymmm> robin_sz no fun in that =)
[19:48:56] <anonimasu> Jymmm: loads of fun
[19:49:15] <robin_sz> Jymmm: you could always work for my mate Andy, He'll employ you.
[19:50:55] <Jymmm> robin_sz: No, no, you missed the point... I want to work for YOU, so I can give you a hard time =)
[19:51:14] <robin_sz> ISTR the last "troublesome" employee was persuaded to leave by the simple tactic of filling his har with water :)
[19:51:39] <robin_sz> its OK, I'll bring in Andy as "staff management consultant"
[19:51:47] <robin_sz> s/har/car/
[19:51:54] <Jymmm> robin_sz I'll get him on my side =)
[19:51:57] <anonimasu> robin_sz: laser it.
[19:52:04] <robin_sz> hhhmmmm.
[19:52:17] <robin_sz> you really really had to be there ...
[19:54:11] <robin_sz> I remember one rep was a bit "troublesome" .. pushy, you know?
[19:54:21] <robin_sz> really trying the hard sell ...
[19:55:21] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:55:44] <robin_sz> and being quite "aggressive" ... then they pointed out that his briefcase was just on the conveyor entering the pwder coat oven ...
[19:56:14] <anonimasu> haha
[19:56:16] <anonimasu> ^_^
[19:58:19] <Jymmm> robin_sz did you REALLY fill a car with water?
[19:58:57] <robin_sz> Andy did .. to, I forget who exactly, some employee they wanted rid of.
[19:59:12] <robin_sz> not full, but you know, sloshing around inside
[19:59:30] <Jymmm> you been watching too much benny hill I think
[19:59:47] <robin_sz> feel free to phone him up and ask him
[20:00:02] <Jymmm> I believe ya, just had to ask =)
[20:00:22] <robin_sz> actually, he just went bankrupt, so thats him done for a year then
[20:01:06] <anonimasu> :(
[20:01:12] <robin_sz> why :(
[20:01:16] <anonimasu> your mate andy?
[20:01:20] <robin_sz> eyah
[20:01:22] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:01:27] <robin_sz> hes not that sad about it
[20:01:42] <robin_sz> its a lotf stress, but it wipes the slate clean
[20:02:22] <anonimasu> still.
[20:03:21] <anonimasu> bankrupcy must be a pain..
[20:04:00] <robin_sz> not really.
[20:04:43] <anonimasu> howcome..
[20:04:54] <anonimasu> it's a failure.. and how do you feel when you cant pay your debts?
[20:05:08] <robin_sz> the factor company took the view that it was hard to get the money in from the invoices he factored ...
[20:05:37] <robin_sz> so they said theyd prefer to sue him for it than make the effort to chase the customers
[20:05:50] <robin_sz> (which is what they were supposed to do)
[20:06:50] <anonimasu> hm ok
[20:06:52] <anonimasu> didnt they?
[20:07:24] <robin_sz> they made no effort to contact any of the customers
[20:07:39] <robin_sz> who (unsuprisingly) made little effort to pay
[20:08:11] <robin_sz> so, when they issued a summons for 60K, he rang them up and laughed at them ...
[20:08:11] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is reading some cnczone
[20:08:30] <anonimasu> bleh
[20:08:32] <robin_sz> they sued, got a judgment ..
[20:08:55] <robin_sz> and .. he went banco ... except he has no assets .. so they get .. nothing.
[20:09:01] <anonimasu> heh
[20:09:10] <anonimasu> well, it was stupid of them to give up on the customers.
[20:09:16] <robin_sz> yeah
[20:09:30] <robin_sz> you know how factoring works?
[20:09:49] <robin_sz> you give invoice to bank
[20:09:57] <robin_sz> bank give you money - 10%
[20:10:08] <robin_sz> bank supposed to chase customers for money
[20:10:37] <robin_sz> if the customers really really wont pay, the bank gives you back the invoice, you give them back their money
[20:10:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:10:56] <anonimasu> oh well, I didnt know banks over here mostly get people to pay..
[20:10:58] <robin_sz> but they made ZERO effort to chase the customers at all
[20:11:10] <robin_sz> yeah, thats how its supposed to work
[20:11:40] <robin_sz> theses idel fscks thought "it will be easier to sue him and have his house than chase the customers" ...
[20:11:55] <anonimasu> hm, that seems strange..
[20:12:04] <anonimasu> it sounds like that's in russia
[20:12:07] <robin_sz> yeah, me too.
[20:12:13] <anonimasu> honestly..
[20:12:20] <robin_sz> except this is Lloyds TSB in the UK
[20:12:26] <anonimasu> argh
[20:12:35] <anonimasu> fsckers.
[20:12:39] <robin_sz> yeah.
[20:12:57] <robin_sz> oh well, he stuffed em for 60K in the end,
[20:13:07] <anonimasu> h
[20:13:08] <anonimasu> ah
[20:13:09] <anonimasu> :)
[20:13:24] <anonimasu> hm, over here you could sue them for not completing their part of their contract with the customer..
[20:13:27] <anonimasu> probably
[20:13:47] <anonimasu> wb
[20:14:07] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=75517#post75517
[20:16:32] <anonimasu> hmm
[20:20:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[21:09:41] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[21:09:41] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[21:20:40] <anonimasu> goodnight
[22:11:19] <dmess> hello all...
[22:17:50] <Jymmm> hi
[22:28:13] <dmess> im readin Catia documentations
[22:37:28] <Jymmm> catia?
[22:37:36] <Jymmm> cantina?!
[22:41:15] <dmess> yup... FRENCH
[22:50:33] <Jymmm> catia is french?
[23:04:41] <dmess> designed by Dassault systemes...of AIRBUS & Concord fame... out of France
[23:07:51] <pfred1> dmess hey there
[23:08:21] <dmess> 'sup pf
[23:08:34] <pfred1> same stuff different week
[23:09:09] <dmess> i see
[23:09:35] <dmess> different week different shite for me..
[23:10:40] <dmess> how can i chk the transfer rate of an upload??
[23:11:03] <pfred1> dmess how is it being uploaded?
[23:11:15] <dmess> to see what im actually pulling thru the pipe
[23:11:29] <dmess> ftp copy..
[23:11:42] <pfred1> yes but OK you serving or the client?
[23:11:52] <dmess> client
[23:11:58] <pfred1> it'll say when it's done
[23:12:22] <pfred1> when the transfer is complete it'll give a KB/s
[23:12:53] <SWPadnos> Who else here is using Chatzilla on Windows?
[23:13:08] <dmess> ohh.. she just come up...with 127 kB/s... or so
[23:13:11] <pfred1> * pfred1 listens to the crickets ...
[23:13:29] <pfred1> that's good xfer
[23:13:31] <dmess> dmess watches te grass grow..
[23:13:49] <pfred1> yeah I'm watching the grass grow too and it's got me more than a little concerned here
[23:14:00] <dmess> why so??
[23:14:19] <pfred1> because i got no way of mowing it!
[23:14:30] <dmess> get a goat...
[23:14:32] <pfred1>
[23:14:37] <pfred1> I'd need a herd
[23:14:58] <pfred1> I'm supposed to be getting a tractor off a guy i know but he's dicking me around
[23:15:07] <dmess> so get dairy moow cows and have milk too
[23:15:11] <pfred1> I told him no rush like a month ago
[23:15:23] <pfred1> well now it's getting to the critical stage!
[23:15:31] <dmess> NEVER say no rush to a farmer..
[23:15:41] <pfred1> when i go back in 2 weeks I'll need a machete to find the place
[23:15:47] <pfred1> he's no farmer
[23:15:53] <dmess> hmm U/L seemes STALLED....
[23:16:27] <dmess> but i still have transfer??
[23:16:36] <dmess> how so??
[23:18:17] <dmess> im gonna lose the CD drive before i finish this u/l.... 1 %
[23:18:36] <pfred1> you're uploading off a CD drive?
[23:19:35] <dmess> it was a spurr a the moment ...lets try it like this and see if i can... and i can... ; )
[23:20:33] <dmess> 1000 of 29000 files complete... mayge i should just abort.. and flush