#emc | Logs for 2005-04-06

[02:45:48] <pfred1> Dmess hey there how goes it?
[02:48:45] <Dmess> i goez
[02:49:49] <Dmess> i finally got that bdi-Live to stick and re-boot
[02:49:57] <pfred1> yeah?
[02:50:07] <pfred1> what was the thing that was holding it up?
[02:50:22] <Dmess> GRUB....
[02:50:30] <pfred1> you switched to lilo?
[02:50:54] <pfred1> or did you fix grub?
[02:51:13] <Dmess> i wonder now that grub is on the MBR properly if the other 4.2 would stick...
[02:51:29] <pfred1> ah it was never loading into the MBR?
[02:51:35] <Dmess> I did the same FACKIN' thing i did the last 20 times
[02:51:51] <pfred1> maybe the MBR on the HDD is going?
[02:51:54] <pfred1> they do go
[02:52:18] <Dmess> it wasnt doing it "properly"... i dunno what it did differently
[02:52:35] <pfred1> weird well i have seen distros screw up the boot install before
[02:52:51] <pfred1> so it's not unheard of
[02:53:04] <Dmess> not this many different distros
[02:53:33] <Dmess> but anything with lilo as default seemed fine
[02:53:46] <Dmess> wierd
[02:54:09] <pfred1> oh grub never works?
[02:54:23] <Dmess> does now...
[02:54:27] <pfred1> grub does some agressive scans
[02:54:59] <Dmess> it was a HDD BIOS scan that was hanging it as best i can tell
[02:55:38] <Dmess> but it didnt hang... it would end and say go for boot..
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[07:31:23] <anonimasu> morning alex
[07:32:03] <Jymmm> mornin!
[07:32:14] <anonimasu> morning Jymmm
[07:32:17] <anonimasu> what's up?
[07:32:41] <Jymmm> SSDD, though I am a lil stumped on soemthing...
[07:32:43] <alex_joni> morning
[07:33:28] <Jymmm> If you wanted to mill the edge of flat stock to look like this ---> _____/\/\/\/\/\___ how could you do that?
[07:34:25] <anonimasu> edm ;)
[07:34:32] <Jymmm> wood
[07:34:35] <anonimasu> or a V sshaped cutter..
[07:34:47] <Jymmm> I'm thinking backgammon board here
[07:34:48] <anonimasu> if you can mount it horizontally that is..
[07:35:02] <anonimasu> or a really small cutter..
[07:35:17] <Jymmm> heh.... REALLY small one =)
[07:35:33] <anonimasu> well you will have to carve the bottoms anyway by hand..
[07:35:42] <anonimasu> the easiest would be a V shaped bit..
[07:35:50] <anonimasu> and mill em from the top instead..
[07:36:29] <Jymmm> you ever seen a backgammon board?
[07:36:48] <anonimasu> yeah but I cant remember how they look right now
[07:37:04] <anonimasu> ah like that..
[07:37:15] <anonimasu> cut them as far as you can with a small cutter and file them sharp..
[07:37:34] <Jymmm> http://www.excaliburelectronics.com/images/public_relations/backgammon.jpg
[07:37:50] <Jymmm> I want to try and make a inlayed backgammon board.
[07:38:01] <anonimasu> yep
[07:38:58] <anonimasu> well mill + file/hand carving
[07:39:17] <anonimasu> you just hit the limitation of what a round cutter can do :)
[07:39:46] <Jymmm> heh, I always do. This time it just took longer than 3 days to figure it out.
[07:39:55] <anonimasu> hehe
[07:40:05] <Jymmm> Hey!!!! CNC_Jigsaw
[07:40:08] <anonimasu> I long until I can play with my mill again..
[07:40:39] <anonimasu> I found somthing to mill/copy
[07:40:41] <anonimasu> http://www.users.qwest.net/~rrenaldi20/ACS_RTD_engine_01m_resize.jpg
[07:41:03] <anonimasu> the strut brace...
[07:41:15] <anonimasu> it's "neat"
[07:41:18] <Jymmm> not even contrast in that pic
[07:41:21] <Jymmm> enough
[07:41:31] <anonimasu> I dont care for the rest..
[07:42:16] <anonimasu> yeah
[07:42:18] <anonimasu> pretty dark
[07:42:51] <Jymmm> tis ok
[07:43:07] <anonimasu> it's the mount that mounts the bar itself to the strut towers..
[07:43:12] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[07:43:17] <anonimasu> /__/----
[07:43:19] <anonimasu> that piece..
[07:43:35] <Jymmm> just saw that before closing the window
[07:43:39] <Jymmm> =)
[07:43:44] <anonimasu> http://www.users.qwest.net/~rrenaldi20/ACS_RTD_engine_05m_resize.jpg
[07:43:50] <anonimasu> a closer one
[07:44:55] <Jymmm> * Jymmm be sleeeepy
[07:45:33] <anonimasu> :)
[07:45:41] <anonimasu> nice challenge dont you think?
[07:45:51] <Jymmm> Well, I think I'm gonna hit it... almost 1am. G'Night anonimasu
[07:50:11] <alex_joni> an0n: what's that good for?
[07:54:23] <anonimasu> stiffens the car loads
[07:55:35] <alex_joni> heh
[07:56:27] <anonimasu> I removed the one that came with my car last summer when I was doing somthing to it..
[07:56:36] <anonimasu> it was like jello when turning..
[07:57:46] <alex_joni> heh
[07:57:48] <alex_joni> nice ;)
[08:00:01] <anonimasu> it but I was amazed by the look of that one..
[08:00:46] <anonimasu> I dont care for the bar that much really.. but thoose mount are nice
[08:27:20] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawhns
[08:29:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[08:29:50] <alex_joni> :D
[08:30:00] <alex_joni> how's the plc stuff?
[08:32:19] <anonimasu> it's going well, but I am a bit stressed
[08:32:32] <alex_joni> darn... http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6128680-1.html?tag=nl.e501
[08:33:07] <anonimasu> did a cad drawing of the machine yesterday after work..
[08:33:16] <alex_joni> yeah?
[08:33:18] <alex_joni> cool
[08:33:25] <anonimasu> want to see?
[08:33:32] <alex_joni> sure
[08:34:14] <anonimasu> I havent drawn everything yet..
[08:36:39] <anonimasu> will draw the rest after todays progress
[08:37:32] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/mbarm.jpg
[08:38:10] <alex_joni> jag kan inte s�k det
[08:38:17] <anonimasu> what?
[08:38:22] <alex_joni> no ideea :D
[08:38:33] <alex_joni> does that make any sense?
[08:38:36] <anonimasu> no..
[08:38:42] <alex_joni> lol
[08:38:50] <anonimasu> that's somting like "I cant search for it"
[08:38:52] <alex_joni> well.. my swedish sux :))
[08:38:58] <alex_joni> darn
[08:39:06] <alex_joni> was going for can't find it
[08:39:09] <anonimasu> s�k should be s�ka
[08:39:16] <anonimasu> what cant you find
[08:39:17] <anonimasu> bojn.net?
[08:39:19] <alex_joni> finna?
[08:39:44] <alex_joni> nah.. I've seen the pic, nice
[08:39:55] <alex_joni> was just trying some english-swedish translations ;)
[08:39:55] <anonimasu> :) thanks
[08:40:09] <alex_joni> jag kan inte finna det?
[08:40:21] <anonimasu> nope..
[08:40:27] <alex_joni> heh
[08:40:30] <alex_joni> but?
[08:40:30] <anonimasu> you can write it like that
[08:40:33] <anonimasu> "i cant find it"
[08:40:49] <anonimasu> it depends on what you are talking about
[08:55:55] <alex_joni> brb
[09:23:41] <anonimasu> ok
[10:07:10] <anonimasu> hm, about air powered drawbard..
[10:07:12] <anonimasu> bars
[10:07:16] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12584&item=7505839139&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
[10:07:34] <anonimasu> how do you get the collet to loosen?
[10:07:44] <anonimasu> err tool holder..
[10:07:47] <anonimasu> my endmills stick..
[10:07:53] <anonimasu> in tye taper..
[10:07:54] <anonimasu> err
[10:07:55] <anonimasu> damn
[10:08:00] <anonimasu> the toolholders stick..
[10:38:01] <anonimasu> hey paul
[10:42:32] <paul_c> Morning..
[10:43:28] <anonimasu> what's up today?
[11:27:12] <A-L-P-H-A> bloody poop. Still haven't recieved that DA300 collet I ordered on the 16th of last month!
[11:28:52] <anonimasu> :/
[11:29:31] <anonimasu> do you have any idea on how to get your toolholders to get out of the taper?
[11:29:34] <anonimasu> without using force?
[11:30:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, shock it from the top.
[11:30:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I have to do that with my R8 collets.
[11:30:40] <anonimasu> that's a bad way..
[11:30:41] <anonimasu> :/
[11:30:50] <A-L-P-H-A> how come? it's the accepted way.
[11:30:53] <anonimasu> I need to find a better way if I am to build a toolchanger..
[11:31:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, good luck with that. :)
[11:31:21] <anonimasu> building one?
[11:31:29] <anonimasu> or with getting it loose?
[11:31:29] <A-L-P-H-A> ejector pin?
[11:31:37] <anonimasu> I cant fit that..
[11:31:40] <A-L-P-H-A> pneumatic.
[11:31:55] <A-L-P-H-A> well... sprinkle pixy dust on it then. :)
[11:32:18] <anonimasu> hmsomthing like and pneumatics.. -( )-
[11:32:27] <anonimasu> to pull it out..
[11:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A> no.
[11:32:35] <anonimasu> or just a single fork..
[11:32:37] <A-L-P-H-A> have you seen real ones?
[11:32:50] <anonimasu> I know. but I cant fit that stuff inside of my machine.
[11:33:19] <anonimasu> besides where do I find somone to grind the ID of the drawbar..
[11:33:23] <paul_c> anonimasu: Most of the designs I've seen use a pnumatic cylinder to push the pull bar down - This often provides the "shock" required.
[11:33:29] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... really... if you're going to NEED a tool changer, you can justify buying a real machine. Otherwise, it's a good though, but what practicallity is there?
[11:34:04] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: A-L-P-H-A and what would I push the bar aginst?
[11:34:24] <anonimasu> well the design is simple in theory but applying it wont work that easily
[11:34:57] <anonimasu> I was thinking somthing like thoose kurt units..
[11:35:06] <A-L-P-H-A> cat systems, use pinchers, and then pull back up. locking the collet.
[11:35:35] <A-L-P-H-A> some guy made his own tool changer for his sherline... but he wants some insane amount of cash for the plans.
[11:35:47] <A-L-P-H-A> his video is on CCED, somewhere.
[11:35:51] <anonimasu> I've seen it..
[11:36:09] <A-L-P-H-A> and you can't implement that?
[11:36:15] <A-L-P-H-A> or want to implement that?
[11:36:43] <anonimasu> I could design my own toolchanger on that concept..
[11:36:51] <anonimasu> hence why I said the thing about a fork..
[11:37:38] <A-L-P-H-A> he isn't using a fork... I believe he's was using pneumatics to drive the collet in and out... but it was only a coupling really... I don't know how good that system really is.
[11:38:12] <anonimasu> hm.. if I spring load the drawbar..
[11:38:22] <anonimasu> so I can release it with a air powered tool..
[11:38:32] <anonimasu> and use the same to _tap_ it out of place..
[11:38:38] <anonimasu> with one cylinder..
[11:38:48] <anonimasu> 1/2 for more power..
[11:39:02] <anonimasu> that'd only require me to increase the length of my current one..
[11:39:53] <anonimasu> might be a good idea..
[11:41:25] <anonimasu> springs/spring washers..
[11:41:29] <A-L-P-H-A> doctor who 2005. :) interesting. so low budget, it's GREATE!
[11:41:45] <A-L-P-H-A> het rayh,
[11:41:48] <A-L-P-H-A> doctor who 2005. :) interesting. so low budget, it's GREATE! [need to repeat]
[11:42:06] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: does that sound like a better idea?
[11:42:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd have to see it.
[11:42:58] <rayh> Hi guys.
[11:44:55] <paul_c> Yo Ray
[11:45:10] <A-L-P-H-A> buahhaha.. munchins!!!
[11:45:28] <rayh> paul_c: Hey. Got a few minutes to talk about Sm?
[11:46:12] <paul_c> Sm ?
[11:46:38] <rayh> Got a desperate query from them last night.
[11:46:55] <rayh> Ann Arbor
[11:47:39] <paul_c> * paul_c puts the test runs on hold..
[12:30:29] <alex_joni> hey ray
[12:30:33] <alex_joni> & all
[12:31:40] <rayh> Hi Alex
[12:32:29] <alex_joni> what's up ray?
[12:33:40] <rayh> Emergencies. Always emergencies.
[12:33:50] <alex_joni> bloody emergencies ;)
[12:33:53] <alex_joni> had some myself today
[12:34:19] <rayh> You got it. Today your's are mostly behind -- mine just starting.
[12:34:39] <alex_joni> bugger that :)
[12:35:07] <rayh> Yep. And in the basest meaning of the term.
[12:36:24] <alex_joni> what kind of em. do you usually have?
[12:36:27] <rayh> Spring is on the way.
[12:36:51] <rayh> Robin (a local summer bird) is pulling worms from the ground.
[12:37:04] <rayh> Life is good.
[12:37:40] <rayh> Got a company that does not like me much but needs me or someone like me.
[12:37:56] <rayh> Don't want to take my advice, but have to.
[12:38:18] <rayh> We call it "swallowing a horse pill."
[12:38:36] <robin_sz> meep?
[12:38:39] <rayh> "I promise this will make you feel better."
[12:38:48] <rayh> Tomorrow.
[12:38:57] <rayh> Hi robin.
[12:39:02] <robin_sz> hi ray
[12:39:12] <robin_sz> going well?
[12:39:50] <rayh> It's 7:30 here and I've got 4 coffee cups lined up in a row.
[12:40:02] <robin_sz> heh ;0
[12:40:05] <robin_sz> yesterday was a a baaaad day
[12:40:07] <rayh> Dead soldiers...
[12:40:38] <rayh> That comment probably got the attention of our security folk.
[12:40:48] <robin_sz> lost our contract for the lamp-dimmer production .. which is slightly unfortunate.
[12:41:00] <rayh> brb
[12:41:20] <rayh> Ouch. Were you planning on moving that to Sw?
[12:41:27] <robin_sz> nah
[12:41:59] <robin_sz> its not me directly, its my mates side of things really, so it affects him more than me, but it still impacts what I'm doing as we share some facilities
[12:42:03] <les> hi ray and robin
[12:42:07] <robin_sz> hi les
[12:42:18] <les> lost lamp dimmer...oh no
[12:42:37] <rayh> Hey Les.
[12:42:47] <robin_sz> it seems the dimmer production was too efficient, the customer has built up a years worth of stock ...
[12:42:47] <les> hi ray
[12:42:54] <les> spring is happening here too
[12:43:04] <les> sunny anf 75 today
[12:43:17] <les> last week it was snowing.
[12:43:30] <rayh> robin_sz: You're one of those guys who works with MS XP(tm)
[12:43:56] <rayh> Got a hint on best way to dual install.
[12:43:59] <rayh> Pre partition or what?
[12:44:06] <robin_sz> what is annoying, is the customer gets a van load of 25,000 dimmers every month ... this month they just told the driver it was the last load, and to get us to ring them .. it would have been nice to be given a bit of warning ;(
[12:44:23] <les> yikes
[12:44:49] <rayh> I heard about your snow, les. Better you than me.
[12:46:14] <rayh> Damn. Robin. That's cause for revenge.
[12:46:24] <les> heck I even mowed the grass foirt time this season
[12:46:50] <les> I am pondering how the economy is going to hold up
[12:47:02] <les> pondering it a WHOLE lot
[12:47:55] <rayh> Yea. Looks to me like somebody flushed...
[12:48:28] <rayh> and it's starting to fall into the drain.
[12:48:59] <les> Although I am busy enough, i may never get to market furniture.
[12:49:48] <rayh> And that is your passion?
[12:49:53] <les> Combination of chinese gobbling up the market and rising mort rates killing the housing boom
[12:50:20] <les> well no...I am happy making turkey calls and doing some engineering
[12:50:34] <les> just so the spindle turns
[12:50:49] <alex_joni> rayh: the easiest way for a dual-boot
[12:50:55] <A-L-P-H-A> les... turkey calls are whistles that make turkey sounds right?
[12:51:07] <alex_joni> prepartition, and leave the linux partition unformatted