#emc | Logs for 2005-04-04

[01:01:42] <dmess> hmm.
[01:04:21] <pfred1> dmess back to live?
[01:06:47] <Jymmmm> dmess or memorex?
[01:10:28] <dmess> naw the screwy 4.2 still....
[01:10:44] <dmess> with essence of 2.18
[01:12:25] <pfred1> dmess what do you mean?
[01:41:14] <dmess> im running the 4.2 front end from the 2.18 kernel..
[01:41:35] <dmess> so some stuff doesn't work...
[01:42:22] <dmess> anyone know if i can get a 4.2 boot disk out of this box as it sits now..
[01:42:46] <dmess> and how??
[01:43:05] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c would know. he's the guru.
[01:49:44] <dmess> brb
[01:50:02] <pfred1> mkbootdisk ?
[01:51:26] <pfred1> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mkbootdisk&btnG=Google+Search Results 1 - 10 of about 190,000 for mkbootdisk. (0.22 seconds)
[02:02:12] <pfred1> dmess wb
[02:02:47] <dmess> lilo says my hda2 is not marked as active...
[02:02:55] <dmess> Warning: Partition 2 on /dev/hda is not marked Active.
[02:02:55] <dmess> Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system.
[02:02:56] <dmess> Warning: Video adapter does not support VESA BIOS extensions needed for
[02:02:56] <dmess> display of 256 colors. Boot loader will fall back to TEXT only operation.
[02:02:57] <dmess> Fatal: No images have been defined.
[02:03:05] <pfred1> linux shouldn't need a partition marked as active to boot it
[02:03:15] <pfred1> that's a winbloze deal
[02:03:37] <dmess> i keep hear alot of should.. and shouldn'ts...
[02:03:49] <pfred1> well that's how it's supposed to work
[02:03:56] <pfred1> YMMV
[02:04:03] <dmess> this is running lilo from a term
[02:04:20] <dmess> ??ymmv
[02:04:30] <pfred1> you obviously have some very deeply seated issues with your setup
[02:04:49] <dmess> and my life... ; )===~~~~~
[02:05:09] <dmess> nothing getting my HP back wont fix...
[02:05:33] <pfred1> personally i can't stand HP
[02:09:29] <dmess> other than their cdrw drives... i like their hardware..
[02:10:34] <pfred1> they're a marketspeak company today
[02:12:02] <dmess> as in how??
[02:12:29] <pfred1> as in they're only in it for the $ and that's how they havebeen for quite some time now
[02:12:38] <pfred1> HP used to be a cool company
[02:13:42] <dmess> i see..
[02:13:54] <pfred1> but like many they lost their way
[02:14:27] <pfred1> you hear about the lawsuits they've leveled against ink cartdirge remanufacturers?
[02:14:31] <pfred1> what total scumbags!
[02:16:58] <dmess> thats yankee lawyerism for ya
[02:17:21] <dmess> hmm we dont get along... i'll sue ya..
[02:17:38] <pfred1> no more like hey you're making what i lay claims to
[02:17:47] <pfred1> that's my scam you're trying to horn in on!
[02:18:07] <dmess> get your own scam..
[02:18:24] <pfred1> personally i think ink cart remanufacturing is an excellent scam
[02:18:36] <pfred1> it's a scam on top of a scam
[02:18:47] <pfred1> because ink carts is a huge scam!
[02:19:12] <dmess> and a lucrative one at that...flea market guy refills ANYTHING...
[02:20:12] <gezr> you think the government would let normal folks properly clean a print head?
[02:20:39] <gezr> if those that make the laws would allow us, im sure each of us would have gallon tanks of ink hooked to our printers :)
[02:21:08] <pfred1> I use lasers
[02:21:23] <gezr> but then again, if our government really had our best wishes at heart, we wouldnt need printers, in this metric paperless society
[02:21:38] <pfred1> I need to print stuff
[02:21:51] <pfred1> can't glue a monitor to a piece of wood before i scrollsaw it
[02:22:10] <pfred1> or very well iron a monitor onto copper clad board andd throw it into a vat of acid
[02:22:19] <dmess> you plot 1:1 and glue her down.. ;)
[02:22:50] <gezr> so do I, and at one point in time all of us will be faced with the question, new printer cartdriges, or a new printer. well after all they are the same price these days, and maybe or maybe not the new printer will come with cartdgriges
[02:23:05] <pfred1> ya don't wanna throw your monitor into this!
[02:23:30] <pfred1> gezr them carts that come with new printers are half fills
[02:27:02] <dmess> well im going for a reboot to see if lilo did goto MBR
[02:27:16] <pfred1> good luck!
[02:27:25] <dmess> thx ; )==~~~
[02:38:09] <pfred1> dmess well what's the prognosis?
[02:38:19] <dmess> same shite...smells wors..
[02:38:28] <pfred1> I hear that
[02:38:43] <pfred1> yeah there's something basically going wrong for you over there I think
[02:38:48] <pfred1> it shouldn't be this out of whack
[02:38:51] <dmess> well we know kde 3.2 works on kernal 2.1.8
[02:39:15] <dmess> story of my life man...
[03:38:54] <dmess> i have no grub.conf
[03:39:06] <pfred1> that could be affecting you
[03:39:31] <pfred1> /etc/grub.conf
[03:39:49] <dmess> not there dude...
[03:39:49] <pfred1> here's mine
[03:39:54] <pfred1> root (hd0,0)
[03:39:59] <pfred1> install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /grub/stage1 d (hd0) /grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst
[03:40:02] <pfred1> quit
[03:40:09] <pfred1> that's the whole thing
[03:40:18] <dmess> simple enuf..
[03:41:04] <pfred1> yeah you probbaly don't need the stage2 crap
[03:41:40] <dmess> letme look for menu.lst too
[03:41:51] <pfred1> you can probably really simplify that install line
[03:42:50] <pfred1> --config-file=FILE [default=/boot/grub/menu.lst]
[03:43:43] <pfred1> * History:: From maggot to house fly
[03:46:43] <pfred1> If no configuration file is present,
[03:46:44] <pfred1> GRUB drops to the command-line.
[03:48:28] <dmess> yes... says GRUB>
[03:49:23] <pfred1> yup would suggest that as you said you have no configuration file
[03:53:28] <pfred1> dmess this "feature" maybe killing your system off too "Detect all installed RAM GRUB can generally find all the installed RAM on a PC-compatible machine. It uses an advanced BIOS query technique for finding all memory regions."
[03:53:59] <pfred1> dmess in your BIOS do you have somehting like a memory hole defined?
[03:55:41] <dmess> not on purpose...
[03:56:47] <pfred1> yeah I've read that Linux doesn't like memory defined for anything other than well system usage
[03:57:13] <pfred1> like I'm not so sure how safe shadow BIOS is and whatnot
[03:57:19] <dmess> i'll have to look into it..
[03:57:33] <pfred1> really I don't think modern systems need to shadow the BIOS anymore
[03:57:54] <pfred1> and the define memory hole I don't know what that's for
[03:58:03] <pfred1> maybe for network PROM or something?
[03:58:15] <pfred1> I donno but I've heard bad things about it andLinux too
[03:58:40] <dmess> that shouldn't be my issue
[03:59:10] <pfred1> yeah really scour through your BIOS though make sure nothing odd is set
[03:59:25] <pfred1> Windows seems to work around a lot of that stuff way better than Linux can
[03:59:34] <dmess> next reboot...
[03:59:44] <pfred1> heck i don't even say it's a PNP OS I don't htink
[04:00:02] <dmess> linux??
[04:00:10] <pfred1> tho not so sure what the present state of affairs is with that today
[04:00:20] <pfred1> yeah i pick NON PNP OS
[04:01:04] <dmess> the pnp state for winz is decent if you buy MS supported hardware..
[04:01:23] <pfred1> I just think Linux probes things differently
[04:01:37] <dmess> feedin the big MS machine
[04:01:45] <pfred1> there's a lot of really buggy BIOSes out there or so I hear
[04:02:01] <pfred1> so I try to play it as safely as I can
[04:02:29] <dmess> i seem to recall seeing a probe HDD bios error at some point
[04:03:00] <pfred1> yeah being as you're having such a boot issue it leads me to believe the BIOS could be involved somehow
[04:03:32] <pfred1> does the system have a CD-ROM drive?
[04:03:50] <dmess> what if i tap the drive ever so slightly with the truck...?? yes cdrom
[04:04:19] <pfred1> one thing I have heard of again not so sure of it's status today is setting those on CS or cable select isn't good
[04:04:30] <pfred1> I've heard they cna stop a boot
[04:04:54] <pfred1> it should be on either master or slave whatever it really is
[04:05:21] <pfred1> again that's a specific problem though that doesn't always affect everyone
[04:05:23] <dmess> never use it... master on ide1= HDD master ide2=cdrom
[04:05:27] <pfred1> but i never leave CD drives on CS
[04:05:59] <pfred1> just something to look out for
[04:06:06] <dmess> yup
[04:06:13] <pfred1> it's very common for systems to be built and the drives configured CS
[04:06:35] <dmess> not in my house.. ; )
[04:07:29] <pfred1> yeah next boot really scour through your BIOS
[04:07:48] <pfred1> something has to be hanging it up
[04:08:17] <dmess> no control over hdd bios though...
[04:10:02] <pfred1> hey next time you're at the grub promt here's something to try
[04:10:20] <pfred1> try tab completion with it so it gives you lists
[04:10:53] <pfred1> for example, you only need to type `root (', followed by a <TAB>, and GRUB will display the list of drives, partitions, or file names,
[04:11:22] <dmess> yes ok
[04:11:30] <pfred1> information is always king
[04:23:35] <dmess> wel im off to beddy bye
[04:23:40] <pfred1> nite
[04:23:59] <dmess> g'nite all ; )
[07:40:23] <A-L-P-H-A> good morning to anyone awake.
[07:57:43] <anonimasu> good morning alpha
[10:08:03] <anonimasu> hello alex
[10:12:50] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[11:03:48] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[11:07:31] <anonimasu> brb..
[11:08:18] <pronobozo> hey wondering if there is a torrent
[11:09:27] <pronobozo> for bdi
[11:12:12] <pronobozo> BDI-live
[11:12:28] <pronobozo> * pronobozo pokes a few random people.
[11:13:16] <paul_c> * paul_c prods back..
[11:13:56] <pronobozo> hi. jsut wondering if ther eis a BDI live torrent anywhere?
[11:14:35] <paul_c> nope. No torrents available for any of the ISO images.
[11:15:34] <pronobozo> okay
[11:16:32] <pronobozo> my friend has been trying to get the iso.. but his internet craps out frequently. He's building a homemade cnc..
[11:18:23] <pronobozo> cnc's are wicked..
[11:18:48] <pronobozo> you guys know any good pages for building your own?
[11:18:51] <paul_c> Where are you located ?
[11:19:01] <pronobozo> Canada
[11:19:03] <pronobozo> toronto
[11:19:13] <paul_c> OK...
[11:19:19] <paul_c> * paul_c kicks A-L-P-H-A
[11:20:19] <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A is also from Toronto (as I recall).
[11:21:08] <asdfqwega> Information on the web is not how-to recipes
[11:21:41] <pronobozo> my friend foudn a fast server... getting 400KB a second.. hopefully he can get it before his internet craps.
[11:22:12] <pronobozo> yeah I haven't really foudn and how to pages that are detailed.. just people giving ideas/help here and there..
[11:23:07] <paul_c> The best way to learn about DIY CNC is to listen to the people that have done it..
[11:23:33] <paul_c> and avoid the BS merchants that only talk about doing it..
[11:23:57] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[11:24:27] <paul_c> http://www.cnc-workshop.com/ might be worth your while..
[11:27:24] <pronobozo> yeah well it's my friedn that's building it.. he has a pretty good grasp of what he has to do and how to do it. I jsut wnat to be part of the FUN projects after it's made.
[11:29:15] <pronobozo> I think this is the same dril as my friends http://www.pathcom.com/~vhchan/cnc/cnc.html
[11:36:27] <paul_c> A fairly simple design... Not very accurate, but a cheap intro..
[11:44:11] <anonimasu> hm..
[11:46:41] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is messing with PID control for some huydralice
[11:46:41] <anonimasu> cs
[11:47:35] <anonimasu> it's driving me mad.
[12:00:07] <anonimasu> hm, time to head to the customer to try it out
[12:00:07] <anonimasu> :)
[12:00:11] <anonimasu> laters everyone
[12:09:36] <pronobozo> sounds like alanis morisette
[12:09:37] <pronobozo> hah
[14:58:41] <alex_joni> greetings
[15:00:29] <paul_c> Afternoon
[15:00:36] <alex_joni> what's up paul?
[15:01:02] <paul_c> just finished updating my deb mirror...
[15:01:08] <alex_joni> coo
[15:01:11] <paul_c> Only taken three days !
[15:01:15] <alex_joni> right :D
[15:01:26] <alex_joni> too much development I'd say
[15:05:10] <paul_c> nah - Hasn't been updated for four months.
[15:05:24] <alex_joni> ahh ;)
[15:05:36] <alex_joni> gotta rsync it from cron
[15:07:24] <alex_joni> gotta leave..
[15:07:25] <alex_joni> bye
[15:42:03] <websys> Is there a CD cover image for the BDI?
[15:48:48] <paul_c> A CD label, but no sleeve
[15:49:30] <paul_c> http://www.rainnea.com/chips.htm
[15:59:40] <websys> ty paul
[17:39:18] <Bowika> Hi
[17:39:20] <Bowika> What does the NML abbreviaton mean?
[17:42:55] <SWPadnos> Neutral Messaging Language
[17:43:36] <SWPadnos> sorry - "Neutral Message Language"
[17:45:34] <Bowika> thanks
[17:46:05] <SWPadnos> no problem
[17:48:54] <Dmess> are ALL the BDI's allergic to the K6 processor???
[17:50:00] <robin_sz> no
[17:51:32] <Dmess> just a first impression of the bdi page...
[17:52:15] <Dmess> any idea how to make a 4.2 rescue floppy??
[17:52:31] <robin_sz> no
[17:52:51] <Dmess> if you've booted a 2.18 kenal on a 4.2 instal??
[17:53:18] <Dmess> im thinkin a tap with the truck soon...
[17:53:50] <robin_sz> what is 4.2 anyway? Knoppix based?
[17:54:01] <robin_sz> is this one of the "live" distros?
[17:54:18] <Dmess> debian based..
[17:54:35] <robin_sz> well, what does debian.org say about making a rescue floppy?
[17:54:40] <Dmess> not live...its a grub thing
[17:54:48] <SWPadnos> debian / knoppix / morphix based
[17:55:14] <Dmess> ohh... is it all the same SWP
[17:56:11] <Dmess> greenhorn linux here..
[17:56:46] <robin_sz> well figure out if its debian/knoppix/morphix based
[17:57:18] <robin_sz> then go along to debian.org/knoppix.org/morphix.org and read their rescue floppy notes
[17:57:34] <robin_sz> you'll have to read tyhe bit about replacing the kernel on the rescue floppy
[17:57:55] <robin_sz> you have to mount the bin image on the loopback devide first
[17:57:58] <robin_sz> device
[18:03:14] <SWPadnos> can you boot the CD at all?
[18:03:52] <SWPadnos> scratch that - I'm now remembering the kernel ersions - they're compiled for 586
[18:04:14] <SWPadnos> the thing you must have thoughis the TSC option, and I don't know if the k6 has that
[18:07:11] <robin_sz> oh wow ...
[18:07:17] <robin_sz> I just saw the /topic
[18:07:25] <robin_sz> General discussion and help the rest of the week.
[18:07:32] <SWPadnos> do not feed the troll
[18:07:38] <robin_sz> we're supposed to be helpfull?
[18:07:46] <SWPadnos> or at least general
[18:07:50] <robin_sz> right
[18:07:55] <robin_sz> I can do general
[18:08:01] <robin_sz> generally irritating?
[18:08:07] <robin_sz> generally obnoxious?
[18:08:15] <SWPadnos> sergeant - arrest that man
[18:09:45] <robin_sz> ooh .. I feel all ...
[18:09:54] <robin_sz> *honoured*
[18:13:53] <Dmess> my systems GENERALLY Fubar'd.... im convinced... i'll pass it off to the boy for winblowz and run2.18 on the 266-mmx
[18:14:50] <Dmess> how ddoes linux deal with over-clocking???
[18:16:38] <SWPadnos> Linux doesn't really care, but the machine might
[18:17:01] <SWPadnos> There can be problems with some peripherals as well (like IDE controllers that expect 33MHz clocks)
[18:18:36] <Dmess> i can leave the ide's @ 33 and hoop the cpu clock up...
[18:18:50] <SWPadnos> depends on the chipset
[18:19:05] <cradek> Dmess: do you plan to run a cnc machine with this?
[18:19:26] <Dmess> mine seems to support it.. no cnc on this CRAP.. ; )
[18:20:09] <Dmess> just a glorified etcha a sketch... ; )
[18:20:29] <Dmess> i know how to scale up...
[18:21:56] <robin_sz> 266 .. bit slow
[18:22:43] <robin_sz> i find a 450 mhz k6 struggles a bit
[18:23:38] <Dmess> makin' a 2 axis etch-a-sketch for a sience fair project....
[18:23:41] <cradek> 266 should be fine if you don't run kde or gnome or other crap
[18:24:53] <Dmess> so set up a minimalist system...??
[18:25:52] <cradek> yeah I think one of the BDIs uses icewm
[18:26:00] <cradek> I guess I don't know which one
[18:26:32] <Dmess> i got a bunch of 'em... ; )
[18:26:48] <Dmess> mount and locate...
[18:59:28] <robin_sz> Dmess: not trying to be silly, but if its just a 2 axis etch-a-sketch, you should try Mach2 and a passing windows box ... its crap, but it works straight out of the tin, you would have been making sketches by now ...
[18:59:53] <robin_sz> just avoid connecting it to real machinery :)
[19:01:58] <jepler_> I ended up not using emc for my etch-a-sketch
[19:02:12] <jepler_> http://axis.unpy.net/index.cgi/etchcnc
[19:02:25] <jepler_> Dmess: ^^^ dunno if you've seen mine
[19:03:25] <robin_sz> cute :)
[19:04:03] <jepler_> thanks
[19:06:20] <robin_sz> y'see Dmess has been on the "installing EMC" task for around a week now ...
[19:07:00] <robin_sz> after a week, its time to "try someting else" ... emc clearly doesn;t like him .. heh ;0)
[19:07:13] <jepler_> hah
[19:07:29] <robin_sz> mind you, since its a science fair project .. i guess hes learning a lot about linux
[19:07:51] <jepler_> I just hope the topic of the project doesn't change to "Linux: Why it sucks and I can't install it"
[19:09:29] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:14:27] <Jymmm> Anyone know a source/url for macro viruses by chance?
[19:15:15] <paul_c> www.microsoft.com
[19:15:19] <Bowika> where can i find any docs about nml? is there any specification of it?
[19:15:26] <Jymmm> paul_c heh
[19:15:42] <SWPadnos> funny - I was going to say that, but thought better of it :)
[19:15:54] <Jymmm> paul_c "But, but, but, microsoft says Windows is an OS, and not a virus!" =)
[19:15:59] <paul_c> Bowika: http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/projects/rcslib/
[19:16:23] <Bowika> thanks
[19:16:38] <SWPadnos> here, too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2228&item=6954743327&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
[19:24:16] <robin_sz> ooh, I'm all excited about the G200X again now ...
[19:25:44] <Jymmm> gecko?
[19:25:58] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:26:22] <robin_sz> its just so nice to have the EMC interp and some nice fast pulses
[19:26:29] <Jymmm> ah
[19:26:39] <robin_sz> without all that 'orrible fungus that goes with EMC usually
[19:26:51] <Jymmm> heh
[19:27:02] <robin_sz> I can actually understand the flow of control in this thing ;)
[19:32:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[19:32:27] <anonimasu> finally back from work :)
[20:58:58] <minimess> anyone have ammo... the wife used all my ammunition...can you believe that
[21:04:02] <robin_sz> state calibre, bullet weight, expanding or non-expanding.
[21:09:48] <Dmess> pls ship home made small scale nuclear devices ONLY...
[21:10:26] <SWPadnos> http://www.videoranch.com/html/NNSlarge.html