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[01:25:33] <pfred1> * pfred1 tries to decide if this desktop background he just made is cool or not ...
[01:28:55] <pfred1> Dmess wb
[01:29:33] <Dmess> Hi all...
[01:29:46] <pfred1> Dmess hi
[01:29:54] <LawrenceG> greetings
[01:37:21] <pfred1> who wants some gearhead desktop wallpaper?
[02:18:34] <asdfqwega> Gearhead? Is that a rock band?
[02:21:56] <pfred1> no it's a type of person
[02:35:49] <asdfqwega> Sorry, I prefer etchi desktop wallpaper
[02:36:25] <pfred1> itchy and scratchy?
[02:38:36] <asdfqwega> Well, it definately scratches a certain itch...
[02:39:50] <pfred1> asdfqwega what's it like henati?
[02:40:52] <pfred1> hentai even
[02:41:27] <asdfqwega> sorta, but without the tentacles
[02:41:43] <pfred1> ha ho!
[02:42:33] <asdfqwega> etchi == lechery, hentai == perverted
[02:42:55] <pfred1> ah
[02:43:19] <pfred1> well sometimes i make erotic desktops too but not animated stuff
[02:43:43] <pfred1> when CNN runs a story about some hot slapper and i google them and get a buncha pics ...
[02:44:20] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega guesses what 'slapper' means
[02:45:49] <asdfqwega> [gripe] I really need to move my stuff off of Mandrake and onto my debian systems.. [/gripe]
[02:46:07] <pfred1> out of the frying pan and into the fire?
[02:46:31] <asdfqwega> I've got a laser printer hooked up by a USB adapter, and Mandrake sometimes loses track of it
[02:46:49] <pfred1> yeah i don't believe in USB
[02:47:08] <asdfqwega> I've tried everything, but only a reboot gets it back
[02:47:28] <pfred1> not unloading and reloading the module?
[02:47:39] <asdfqwega> USB isn't that bad, for HID and low speed stuff
[02:48:26] <asdfqwega> Heck, the best device I have is a USB flashstick
[02:48:48] <pfred1> yeahI wish I had one of those
[02:49:44] <asdfqwega> pfred1: You can get a 256MB one for about $25, if you shop around
[02:49:44] <asdfqwega> Beats the hell out of floppies
[02:50:15] <pfred1> oh i just want one to read my camera memory stick
[02:50:35] <pfred1> make getting pics off it easier
[02:50:56] <pfred1> for storage I use well HDDs or CDs or maybe tapes
[02:51:19] <pfred1> someday I'll get a DVD burner but I still don't know about them yet
[02:52:37] <asdfqwega> Both my brothers have DVD burners, they work great
[02:53:56] <pfred1> I'm not saying what's out there today doesn't work but just that I think things are ocming that will work better
[02:54:04] <pfred1> bluerays
[02:54:25] <pfred1> I don't want to get stuck with the betamax
[02:56:39] <asdfqwega> And my mother is into photography, so she has the memory stick adapters - which I've tried under linux, and they work really well
[02:56:39] <asdfqwega> There's always something looming on the computer horizon
[02:56:45] <asdfqwega> And I think it's Microsoft :(
[02:56:49] <asdfqwega> And UN regulation of the internet :(
[02:56:53] <asdfqwega> And e-patents :( :( :(
[02:57:09] <pfred1> CD burners taught me patience pays off
[02:58:45] <asdfqwega> How so? Faster is not better, or waiting for better linux support?
[03:02:07] <pfred1> well when I bought a CD burner i paid like $400 for a 6X drive
[03:02:27] <pfred1> then when it finally died I bought another drive for $40 that totally kicks it's ass
[03:02:35] <pfred1> evne on a good day
[03:06:09] <asdfqwega> Yeah, my first CD burner was on a Gateway2000 system
[03:06:15] <asdfqwega> before I started using linux
[03:06:45] <asdfqwega> I had to have it replaced 4 times under warranty
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[04:17:47] <pfred1> hey join oakland.ca.us.chatster.org
[04:18:05] <pfred1> oh wait lilo is just screwing around
[04:19:30] <asdfqwega> he should have waited until things were really busy
[04:19:46] <pfred1> yeah or at least until April 1st
[04:21:14] <asdfqwega> if you wanna know how to do an April Fools', ask Holl from Red Dwarf :)
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[05:15:36] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[07:03:03] <anonimasu> good morning
[07:08:01] <anonimasu> hm, I should compensate for my lack of power with more speed.
[07:46:55] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[07:58:00] <A-L-P-H-A> hey SWPadnos.
[11:44:40] <alex_joni> greetings paul_c
[11:50:55] <paul_c> Afternoon Alex
[11:53:01] <alex_joni> what's up?
[11:54:30] <paul_c> just coying a deb mirror...
[11:55:14] <alex_joni> how many cd's ? ;)
[11:56:59] <paul_c> woody, sarge, & sid for i386
[11:57:05] <alex_joni> ouch :D
[11:57:15] <alex_joni> how many DVDs ?
[11:57:24] <paul_c> all of them.
[11:57:35] <alex_joni> I reckon there are a few :D
[11:57:49] <paul_c> Then I need to rsync with a main mirror.
[12:11:15] <paul_c> wahooo... 16Gig of data to copy
[12:14:07] <alex_joni> cools
[12:21:57] <alex_joni> how's your link? is it up to 16 Gig?
[12:38:02] <paul_c> transfering across the internal n/w...
[12:46:19] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok then
[14:04:22] <alex_joni> awfully quiet today
[14:05:35] <Dmess> Good moning to all.
[14:05:44] <Dmess> morning..
[14:05:57] <alex_joni> hey Dmess
[14:07:15] <paul_c> Yo Denis.
[14:07:28] <Dmess> allo tous
[14:08:21] <Dmess> can you believe ive been waiting 3 weeks for an MCI motherboard
[14:08:56] <Dmess> what kind of CUSTOMER service is that
[14:09:36] <paul_c> use a local supplier...
[14:09:54] <paul_c> then you can beat the crap out of them when things go wrong.
[14:10:16] <Dmess> was a warrenty jobber.. on the wifes video conference box
[14:10:17] <alex_joni> heh
[14:10:33] <alex_joni> how many local suppliers are left in your area paul?
[14:10:44] <paul_c> two.
[14:10:46] <Dmess> just a clusterfl*ck
[14:10:56] <Dmess> for MCI
[14:11:02] <alex_joni> didn't do business with them yet?
[14:11:07] <alex_joni> or how did they survive?
[14:11:31] <paul_c> large chain....
[14:11:45] <Dmess> well the shop ive used comfortably in the past DROPPED them.. i couldnt get a reason yet..
[14:11:52] <paul_c> the manager changes evry couple of months...
[14:11:59] <alex_joni> lol
[14:12:11] <Dmess> keep them on their toes...
[14:12:53] <paul_c> When I have a complaint, I take it to the top level management rather than the low level oiks
[14:14:22] <Dmess> what does linux recognize the HYPER-THREADING chips as ... 2 cpu's??
[14:14:43] <paul_c> should see it as a P4
[14:15:00] <nevyn> Dmess: because it is.
[14:15:12] <nevyn> I assume you me why rather than what.
[14:15:22] <Dmess> yes... p4 - HT though win2k sees dual cpu
[14:15:30] <nevyn> yep
[14:15:40] <nevyn> so does linux
[14:15:54] <Dmess> sees 2 cpu..
[14:15:54] <nevyn> but most likely the BDI kernel isn't compiled SMP
[14:16:03] <nevyn> and I'm not sure that RTAI is SMP safe
[14:16:18] <Dmess> very interesting..
[14:16:42] <paul_c> nevyn: Look at the source - RTAI runs fine on SMP platforms
[14:16:52] <nevyn> my bad.
[14:17:07] <Dmess> thx paul
[14:17:47] <Dmess> which file was the stepping type... table.ini???
[14:18:14] <alex_joni> generic.ini
[14:18:27] <paul_c> which version of EMC are you using ?
[14:18:28] <alex_joni> if you run generic.run (or emc.ini if it's emc.run)
[14:18:44] <Dmess> really...
[14:19:04] <Dmess> the live one currently
[14:19:04] <paul_c> OK...
[14:19:30] <paul_c> The one on the BDI-4 disk has had quite a few changes.
[14:20:09] <Dmess> long story ...its on my sons box cause the wifes got mine..lallaalaa
[14:21:40] <Dmess> any one here fly unpowered aircraft for kick's??
[14:21:59] <paul_c> 747's mainly.
[14:22:19] <Dmess> too loud
[14:23:07] <paul_c> the odd Airbus A320 or 727
[14:24:07] <alex_joni> Dmess: does a kite count? :))
[14:26:46] <Dmess> sure... we fly traction kites.. land sea or snow..
[14:27:28] <Dmess> hang and para gliders as well... sailplanes are WAY to expensive for this boy
[14:48:33] <alex_joni> bye guys
[14:57:11] <anonimasu> hi
[14:57:30] <anonimasu> hm..
[14:57:51] <anonimasu> the max spindle rpm I have is 4200 although at that rpm my gearbox sounds funny..
[14:57:56] <anonimasu> I brought a tacho off work..
[14:58:52] <paul_c> and what speed is it really running at ?
[14:59:05] <anonimasu> ~3000
[14:59:19] <anonimasu> the max spindle rpm that I can run is 4200..
[14:59:21] <anonimasu> I measured it..
[14:59:57] <anonimasu> I am considering taking a airtool and using it instead..
[15:00:32] <anonimasu> :p
[15:01:23] <anonimasu> but that rpm should be plenty shouldnt it?
[15:01:40] <anonimasu> it makes sense..
[15:01:57] <anonimasu> 2400@50hz*2.0(200%)
[15:02:12] <anonimasu> or 2300 or somthing..
[15:02:13] <anonimasu> I cant remember
[15:03:32] <paul_c> an air spindle will use a lot of air
[15:04:06] <anonimasu> hm, I think I am short on air then..
[15:04:16] <anonimasu> if I am going to do that I'll need to move the mill to work instead..
[15:05:07] <anonimasu> I guess I'll just let my machining take 60 minutes..
[15:05:08] <anonimasu> :)
[15:08:55] <les> hi guys
[15:09:34] <les> hey paul I was just talking to these guys:
[15:09:41] <anonimasu> hey les
[15:09:47] <les> http://www.glentekcnc.com/WebApplication2/Default.aspx
[15:10:11] <les> and they are coming over...we mat join up here to do some stuff
[15:10:18] <les> may
[15:10:49] <anonimasu> nice
[15:10:49] <les> They need some software help too
[15:11:15] <les> and....They have been playing with Pauls BDI
[15:11:16] <les> hmm
[15:11:29] <les> haha
[15:12:35] <anonimasu> hm, 0.5mm deep cuts I wonder if that'll be too much
[15:12:43] <anonimasu> at 600mm/min
[15:12:51] <les> you will find out soon
[15:12:59] <anonimasu> lol
[15:13:05] <anonimasu> kamikaze milling.
[15:13:16] <les> yeah
[15:13:50] <anonimasu> * anonimasu finds it a bit scary
[15:14:18] <anonimasu> 0.05 mm feed per tooth..
[15:14:21] <Dmess> Dmess finds it funny..
[15:14:43] <anonimasu> is that too high?
[15:14:50] <anonimasu> if I take light cuts..
[15:15:05] <paul_c> Yo Les...
[15:15:08] <Dmess> may be too light.. you wont clear the chip
[15:15:09] <les> no sounds reasonable if you have the kW
[15:15:19] <les> hey paul
[15:15:25] <anonimasu> and I dont have the kw hence the reason I cant do large Z stepdowns..
[15:15:33] <anonimasu> 0.5mm of Z per pass..
[15:15:52] <paul_c> les: Gottal love their address
[15:16:09] <Dmess> play with the 600nn...
[15:16:25] <anonimasu> 600mm ?
[15:16:40] <Dmess> feedrate...
[15:16:43] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:17:01] <Dmess> you have coolant??
[15:17:05] <anonimasu> I got air to clear the chips..
[15:18:01] <Dmess> throw some varsol on it once in a while.. alu likes to stick to the tool and all of a sudden your trying to cut with a dowel
[15:18:06] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:18:36] <Dmess> micro adhesion is a precursor to catastrophic failure
[15:19:12] <anonimasu> hm 49min for a part..
[15:19:23] <anonimasu> if it will cut without killing my machine..
[15:19:24] <Dmess> run it...
[15:19:59] <Dmess> sooner or later you gotta push cycle start
[15:20:08] <anonimasu> yeah just need to export it and head out to the machine..
[15:20:29] <Dmess> what are you programming with??
[15:20:46] <anonimasu> visualmill..
[15:21:13] <stevestallings> Any relationship between GlentekCNC and Glentek (servo amps)?
[15:22:07] <Dmess> any good??
[15:22:25] <anonimasu> it's ok..
[15:23:14] <anonimasu> brb..
[15:23:18] <anonimasu> moving to the machine instead.
[16:15:17] <paul_c> Hi Ray..
[16:16:51] <rayh> Hi Paul. Sorry was off reading.
[16:17:09] <rayh> I'm finding a rather consistent problem with a couple of the kde aps.
[16:17:31] <anonimasu> hm..
[16:17:36] <rayh> I suspect that they work fine on the version of kde you've got on the BDI.
[16:17:37] <anonimasu> it went find half the hole then it clogged up
[16:17:40] <paul_c> which ones ?
[16:17:52] <anonimasu> might have been because my endmill got clogged before..
[16:18:04] <rayh> konqueror and kate/kwrite.
[16:18:12] <anonimasu> so I think it's dull from when I removed the gummy alu from the flutes..
[16:19:31] <paul_c> It is possible that one of the base libs didn't get updated... That would cause problems.
[16:19:47] <rayh> I had to upgrade a lib or two for designer and for a couple of other things I added.
[16:20:07] <rayh> I saw some kind of error messages when konqueror segfaulted.
[16:20:27] <rayh> Something about gcc 2.95 libs v 3.2 libs.
[16:23:00] <paul_c> gonna have to do you a full set of CDs to play with..
[16:23:30] <anonimasu> I wonder if this would be fine with a larger tool and coolant..
[16:23:30] <rayh> Okay. I'm casting about trying to figure out what to do to recover 4.18.
[16:23:52] <rayh> Ran ldconfig with no effect.
[16:24:03] <rayh> Konqueror will start as root.
[16:24:12] <rayh> It will even start sudo
[16:24:26] <paul_c> can you remember which libs got updated ?
[16:24:43] <rayh> I can try to find them.
[16:26:06] <paul_c> Quick fix is to clear out the cache, remove all but the CDROM line from apt's sources.list
[16:26:22] <paul_c> and use synaptic to reinstall the libs.
[16:27:48] <rayh> Okay.
[16:28:01] <rayh> That will break designer.
[16:28:19] <paul_c> On another note.... Found the root of Jon's problem...
[16:28:59] <rayh> What is going on -- uh -- at the software level.
[16:29:19] <paul_c> He's looking at the wrong sources (probably HEAD of emc2)
[16:30:01] <rayh> Oh.
[16:30:09] <rayh> That would do it.
[16:31:06] <paul_c> When I get annoyed, my responses range from blunt to down right rude.
[16:31:19] <anonimasu> hm, should I dare to run with a 4flute 8mm cutter..
[16:31:20] <SWPadnos> you don't say :)
[16:31:23] <rayh> Blunt is good.
[16:31:28] <anonimasu> I have air blowing away all chips..
[16:31:28] <paul_c> I apologise if they have caused you any offense.
[16:31:41] <SWPadnos> (not me, but I'm highly perceptive :) )
[16:31:53] <rayh> No offense, just worry.
[16:32:26] <rayh> anonimasu: Seems to me that four flute is the wrong way to go.
[16:32:36] <anonimasu> rayh: I dont have any large 2 flute ones..
[16:32:45] <anonimasu> I have slotdrills but thoose will cause me to lower the feed more..
[16:32:52] <rayh> If you are getting alum stuck
[16:33:01] <paul_c> If it wasn't due to the flight being paid for, I was > < far from skipping the codeFest and going off on other projects.
[16:33:16] <rayh> Can you mix a bit of wd40 or similar with the air you get down into the pocket.
[16:33:38] <anonimasu> hm, not easily..
[16:33:49] <anonimasu> I have a ejector pump but it's at 2l/min
[16:34:05] <rayh> Peck with hand application
[16:34:16] <anonimasu> and for 40 minutes of running that's 80 litres of fluid..
[16:34:19] <anonimasu> without enclosure..
[16:34:43] <rayh> That's gonna leave a mark all round the shop.
[16:35:07] <anonimasu> hm, 0.017 chipload on the 2 flute cutter..
[16:35:13] <paul_c> anonimasu: You need a suds pump.
[16:35:15] <rayh> hand app for 40 min won't work either...
[16:35:28] <rayh> unless you've got's lots more patience than I have.
[16:35:33] <anonimasu> I dont.. :/
[16:36:34] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder how to solve this really
[16:36:45] <rayh> paul_c: You are needed badly at codeFest.
[16:37:01] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[16:37:08] <anonimasu> if you have any good ideas please tell me them :)
[16:37:34] <paul_c> anonimasu: Rig up a drip feed into the pocket
[16:37:43] <paul_c> soluble oil & water will do...
[16:38:00] <rayh> and increase the feedrate.
[16:38:42] <SWPadnos> and get endmills made for cutting aluminum
[16:38:47] <Dmess> ahh poop... my 4.18 install.. says LI
[16:39:07] <rayh> paul_c: I still favor reducing the number of tags in CVS
[16:39:09] <SWPadnos> Odd - it uses Grub by default, not LILO
[16:39:43] <Dmess> i said grub .. but it had a lilo on before..
[16:40:03] <SWPadnos> the LI at boot tells me that LILO is still installed in the boot sector
[16:40:06] <rayh> I'm at a loss though about how to clean up.
[16:40:28] <rayh> I suppost that will be one of the major tasks at fest.
[16:40:47] <paul_c> can have a go at deleting tags...
[16:41:08] <paul_c> The alternative is to submit a tarball to SF to replace the entire tree.
[16:41:35] <rayh> Yes it is. And I would favor a BDI module.
[16:42:02] <rayh> It was almost easier back in the old billion ifdef days.
[16:42:24] <rayh> uh -- scratch that --
[16:42:55] <rayh> It was easier for a visual persion like me to see how it fit together.
[16:43:13] <rayh> I'm certain that it was much more difficult for a coder
[16:46:16] <paul_c> To a certain extent, #ifdefs could be used...
[16:46:40] <paul_c> But there comes a point when they are a pita
[16:47:31] <SWPadnos> like, when you start implementing logic changes with them
[16:48:29] <rayh> Right.
[16:50:13] <paul_c> gotta go - Food..
[16:51:59] <rayh> I'll be around for a while today.
[17:00:28] <anonimasu> paul_c: suds?
[17:05:36] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[17:21:32] <anonimasu> well since my friend got busy I have nothing else to do then to mill my part..
[17:21:34] <anonimasu> :(
[17:22:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:22:56] <SWPadnos> when cranking my mill by hand, I found that it got way easier to mill through the aluminum when I increased the feedrate
[17:23:15] <anonimasu> hm, got any idea what feedrate that is?
[17:23:17] <SWPadnos> it had been a little difficult, but it ended up cutting like butter when I went a little faster
[17:23:30] <SWPadnos> I was going around 10 IPM
[17:23:37] <SWPadnos> but that was with a 1.5" 6 flute rougher
[17:23:44] <anonimasu> hm..
[17:24:08] <anonimasu> 381mm/min
[17:24:34] <SWPadnos> remember - my spindle speed was very low compared to yours
[17:24:51] <SWPadnos> I think I was cutting at around 200 RPM
[17:25:33] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder if I should increase the feed or decrease the feed and gear down the spindle..
[17:26:34] <SWPadnos> but I was spraying tri-cool on the part as I cranked
[17:29:49] <anonimasu> hm..
[17:32:17] <anonimasu> that dosent really help me :/
[17:38:11] <Dmess> gear down if you can and get the chip load up to .005-.008" per flute
[17:38:39] <Dmess> drop your rpm to 2000
[17:39:09] <Dmess> but get as low a gear as possible for bettor torque
[17:42:30] <anonimasu> I'll mill with the 8mm slotdrill.
[17:42:44] <Imperator_> Hi all
[17:42:49] <Jymmm> Mornin' Folks!
[17:42:54] <anonimasu> hey Jymmm
[17:45:13] <Dmess> start at 12 ipm and should cut nice around 18
[17:45:40] <Dmess> what aluminum is it?? 60XX
[17:45:45] <anonimasu> Dmess: 6063
[17:46:14] <Dmess> gummy crap... gotta break the chip wiyh feedrate...
[17:46:47] <Jymmm> yuck... I got gummies when tapping aluminum; gawd that was a pita
[17:47:37] <Dmess> in gummy like that use a forming tap... no chips to clean out either
[17:48:04] <anonimasu> Dmess: if I keep that feed it's 800mm/min
[17:48:15] <anonimasu> err chipload
[17:48:46] <Dmess> ok.. so whats the problem... drop the rpms though..
[17:48:59] <Jymmm> Dmess: Heh... this was a cordless drill and cheap HW store taps... went to two flute from the machine supply and some tapping fluid and all was good in the world =)
[17:49:28] <Dmess> HW taps...novel concept..
[17:49:46] <Jymmm> Dmess like home depot
[17:50:18] <Dmess> i understand... thats where the car-penters get their tools... ; )
[17:50:57] <Jymmm> Dmess alright alright... dont have to get hostile now! =)
[17:51:31] <Dmess> not hostile... i just hate WOOD..
[17:52:03] <Jymmm> wood isn't THAT bad, just metal is better =)
[17:52:45] <anonimasu> 0.1mm per cut in chipload..
[17:52:50] <Dmess> im wood retarded... i could build a house outta titanium... but dont look at my back deck..
[17:52:52] <anonimasu> I wonder if it'll be allright..
[17:53:35] <Dmess> not bad ..turn it up till the chips are breaking nicely..
[17:55:42] <anonimasu> hm ok
[17:55:51] <anonimasu> I should order some roughing cutters for alu..
[17:55:55] <anonimasu> instead..
[17:56:21] <Dmess> where are you located
[17:56:38] <anonimasu> north sweden..
[17:56:55] <anonimasu> it'll be gh�ring or dormer ones..
[17:56:57] <anonimasu> :)
[17:57:05] <Dmess> yeah...
[17:57:21] <anonimasu> I'll be back in 40 minutes if this goes well.
[17:57:24] <anonimasu> if I still can type
[17:57:47] <Dmess> keep fingers away from rotating tools..
[17:58:34] <anonimasu> yep
[17:58:56] <Jymmm> Hey, this is pretty good:
[17:58:57] <Jymmm> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
[17:58:59] <Jymmm> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
[18:00:37] <paul_c> * paul_c can think of a few presidents that could do with one or more of those...
[18:02:01] <Jymmm> heh
[18:04:03] <anonimasu> :)
[18:04:05] <anonimasu> heh
[18:04:10] <anonimasu> well time to hit "RUN"
[18:14:41] <Jymmm> just dont hit "WALL" =)
[18:16:36] <anonimasu> heh
[18:16:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:16:43] <anonimasu> I geared it down..
[18:16:48] <anonimasu> I still get 2600rpm
[18:21:24] <anonimasu> I found a wd40 can.
[18:21:38] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Got Lighter?
[18:22:01] <anonimasu> no
[18:22:04] <anonimasu> it smells nice ;)
[18:22:32] <anonimasu> well kamikaze time.-
[18:23:50] <anonimasu> cuts nicely.
[18:24:36] <anonimasu> I could take more Z..
[18:24:45] <Dmess> why not... nothing extreme there
[18:24:56] <Dmess> 2.5 mm
[18:26:14] <anonimasu> I am taking 0.06 per pass.
[18:26:44] <Dmess> try .1
[18:27:23] <anonimasu> next time..
[18:34:25] <paul_c> A new(ish) face...
[18:34:35] <tony> yes sir
[18:35:06] <paul_c> * paul_c hasn't been knighted.... Yet.
[18:35:30] <Jymmm> paul_c wenches can't be knighted!
[18:35:50] <anonimasu> it mills nicely..
[18:35:54] <paul_c> * paul_c aims a hard kick at Jymmm's.....
[18:35:56] <anonimasu> although a tad bit too much plunge feed..
[18:36:22] <Dmess> plunge about 6-8 ipm
[18:36:24] <anonimasu> I will be building a high speed head someday soon..
[18:36:26] <Jymmm> * Jymmm feels the love from paul_c
[18:36:28] <anonimasu> 30mm/min
[18:36:42] <Dmess> 150mm/min
[18:36:48] <anonimasu> no way
[18:36:49] <anonimasu> :)
[18:36:52] <anonimasu> I'd break my z..
[18:36:54] <Jymmm> anonimasu: Heh, I'm still trying to figure out a head for tapping
[18:36:57] <anonimasu> it lifts from the table now..
[18:37:03] <anonimasu> jymm rigid tapping is your friend..
[18:37:05] <anonimasu> :p
[18:37:15] <Jymmm> anonimasu I still dont get that
[18:37:29] <Dmess> wil emc rigid tap...
[18:37:42] <anonimasu> you adapt your speed and feed to match your threads..
[18:37:59] <Dmess> thats NOT rigid tapping...
[18:38:21] <anonimasu> hm, what is rigid tapping then?
[18:38:26] <Dmess> rigid tapping will allow you to peck tap...
[18:39:10] <anonimasu> yeah but in the bottom of the hole you reverse the spindle and fed it back up..
[18:39:16] <anonimasu> feed...
[18:39:21] <Dmess> the prindle and the Z axis are tied to one amother it NEEDS a servo spindle with encoder
[18:40:09] <Dmess> you program Z and the spindle stays synced at the pitch of your thd.
[18:41:08] <Jymmm> a tapping head seems simpler
[18:41:13] <Dmess> if you rigid tapped 10 holes the thd start should ALWAYS be in the same place in relation to the center
[18:41:49] <anonimasu> Jymmm: or you can threadmill..
[18:41:58] <Jymmm> whats that?
[18:42:11] <Dmess> find a tap-matic that allows you to use a g83 feed in feed out and has a reversing gear in the tapping head
[18:42:17] <anonimasu> * anonimasu hugs the 2flute cutter cautiously so he dosent cut himself..
[18:42:40] <anonimasu> jymm you mill threads with helical interpolation..
[18:42:55] <Jymmm> anonimasu on a lathe?
[18:42:57] <Dmess> in 1 rev with the right tool..
[18:43:02] <anonimasu> no
[18:43:05] <anonimasu> on a mill
[18:43:07] <anonimasu> :)
[18:43:23] <Jymmm> anonimasu I STILL dont get it, but I'm talking on a cnc router
[18:43:30] <Dmess> we did m5 x 18mm .. drill tap tool.. 7 sec. per hole..
[18:43:34] <anonimasu> you can still do taht..
[18:43:40] <anonimasu> that..
[18:43:45] <anonimasu> as long as you have xy and z..
[18:43:50] <Jymmm> anonimasu with or without a tapping head?
[18:43:56] <anonimasu> without..
[18:44:14] <Dmess> thd size??
[18:44:16] <Jymmm> anonimasu there is no reverse on the spindle though
[18:44:23] <Jymmm> max 1/4-20
[18:44:32] <Jymmm> min 4-40
[18:44:36] <anonimasu> you wont need that for threadmilling.. I think
[18:44:45] <Dmess> tap-matic.. spins in 1 dir... tool reverses..
[18:44:48] <anonimasu> it's just the movement that makes the threads..
[18:45:02] <Jymmm> anonimasu then how do oyu remove the tap from a hole?
[18:45:04] <Dmess> small stuff to thd mill
[18:45:23] <anonimasu> Jymmm: there's no tap there's a threadmilling cutter..
[18:45:53] <Dmess> our m5 was for a FORD project were seconds count as do tool pockets
[18:46:01] <Jymmm> anonimasu haven't you figure this out yet... I'm clueless here =)
[18:46:13] <anonimasu> figured what out?
[18:46:25] <anonimasu> threadmilling... google for it :)
[18:46:32] <anonimasu> I'll look somthing up once I get inside again..
[18:46:51] <anonimasu> Dmess: so you think I could have a stepdown of 2mm instead?
[18:47:18] <Dmess> 2mm -2.5 shouldnt be a problem now that youve got some BALLS
[18:47:28] <anonimasu> lol
[18:47:38] <anonimasu> right cutter.. and more torque.
[18:48:15] <Dmess> yup.. best aluminum cutters ive ever seen is hanita varimill
[18:48:26] <Dmess> or international minicut
[18:48:59] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:49:00] <Dmess> you can get a roostertail of chips coming out on a 50 HP machine
[18:49:13] <robin_sz> * robin_sz has spent a day playing with a press
[18:49:26] <Dmess> dirty smelly one??
[18:49:33] <robin_sz> mmm, nice one
[18:49:45] <Jymmm> robin_sz so, how much can YOU press now... 300 lbs?
[18:49:48] <Dmess> nicer then
[18:49:53] <robin_sz> my promecam
[18:50:00] <Dmess> all leveled??
[18:50:10] <robin_sz> mmm, do you have to do that?
[18:50:54] <anonimasu> heh 14 minutes per part..
[18:50:57] <anonimasu> I can live with that.
[18:50:59] <Dmess> nice to have presses bolted down and leveled... since sometimes they tend to wanna walk slowly...
[18:51:20] <Dmess> Anon .. now cut it..
[18:51:31] <anonimasu> Dmess: YES.
[18:51:35] <anonimasu> I just need to post it..
[18:51:35] <robin_sz> mmm, this is a pressbrak, a bender if you like, not a SLAM BAMN thumping press
[18:51:40] <robin_sz> a folder ...
[18:51:57] <Dmess> i see..or not..
[18:52:01] <robin_sz> wait,
[18:52:14] <Dmess> for what??
[18:52:30] <robin_sz> like this:
[18:52:34] <robin_sz> http://www.jahotec.fi/promecam.htm
[18:53:22] <anonimasu> well brb.
[18:53:28] <Dmess> nice machine
[18:53:49] <robin_sz> mine is very similar to that one
[18:54:07] <robin_sz> except I have a CNC backguage and lightguards :)
[18:54:24] <Dmess> i have some friends who manufactur cnc back guages for them..
[18:54:41] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:54:45] <robin_sz> simple task really
[18:54:52] <Dmess> yes..
[18:55:01] <robin_sz> the control is the complex part
[18:55:24] <robin_sz> the mechanics are a cinch
[18:56:02] <Dmess> hard to justify a pc based back guage
[18:56:23] <robin_sz> dunno
[18:56:30] <robin_sz> the control is fairly complex
[18:57:20] <Dmess> so is EMC
[18:57:50] <robin_sz> true,
[18:59:03] <Dmess> but pcs are so cheap these days why reinvent the wheel
[19:03:21] <robin_sz> bendig controls are not simple once you do 2 axis
[19:05:40] <Dmess> true
[19:10:44] <A-L-P-H-A> why do I bother reading news today?
[19:12:47] <paul_c> April fools jokes, Pope is dead,....
[19:14:01] <paul_c> another batch of US service men returning in body bags...
[19:14:32] <cradek> Soon we'll be back to hearing about michael jackson every f-ing day
[19:14:38] <paul_c> Quite depressing really...
[19:15:06] <anonimasu> hm..
[19:15:10] <anonimasu> I got my hole milled
[19:15:10] <anonimasu> :)
[19:15:57] <anonimasu> * anonimasu throws chips at everyone
[19:17:08] <A-L-P-H-A> people is dead? or dying?
[19:17:21] <Dmess> how deep a cut??
[19:17:21] <anonimasu> 1.
[19:17:21] <anonimasu> 5
[19:17:21] <anonimasu> ;)
[19:17:35] <anonimasu> the plunge is the heavy part..
[19:17:49] <anonimasu> long slotdrill..
[19:17:53] <Dmess> ramp in..
[19:18:04] <A-L-P-H-A> spriral cut in! :)
[19:18:13] <Dmess> or peck it out
[19:18:15] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:18:16] <anonimasu> next time..
[19:18:23] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu. sure sure... there won't be a next time. :)
[19:18:34] <Dmess> yes alpha ..new concept??
[19:18:40] <anonimasu> you think I'll do with only a pressure gauge in my car?
[19:19:03] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, will you?
[19:19:09] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu? pictures?
[19:19:19] <anonimasu> later.
[19:19:19] <anonimasu> :)
[19:19:19] <anonimasu> I am machining now
[19:20:33] <anonimasu> I just hope I made the contouring at the right side of the edge ;)
[19:20:39] <anonimasu> j/k
[19:21:12] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, take pictures. pause what you're doing... grab a digital cam... and snap a couple of photos.
[19:21:37] <anonimasu> lol
[19:21:46] <anonimasu> I dont have any at home now
[19:21:46] <anonimasu> sorry
[19:24:04] <A-L-P-H-A> any? pictures? cameras? where's the part now?
[19:24:21] <anonimasu> on the table..
[19:24:48] <anonimasu> I got the contouring pass running in 3 secs..
[19:27:33] <tony> need help with limit switches
[19:28:27] <tony> paul-c are you out there
[19:28:38] <paul_c> Yup...
[19:28:53] <tony> This is your long lost bud from Smithy
[19:29:13] <paul_c> suspected as much ;)
[19:29:47] <tony> I am trying to set up a router and I need to know what I need for setting up the limit switches
[19:30:18] <tony> I am going to either use prox or snap and need some help on how to do the wiring
[19:30:41] <paul_c> Still using freqmod ?
[19:31:11] <tony> I really dont know yet I havent gotten that far yet
[19:31:26] <tony> The ini was the last thing I was going to mess with
[19:31:45] <anonimasu> segmentqueue is neat.
[19:31:48] <tony> I am using steppers with geckos
[19:32:25] <anonimasu> *puts on a black sabbath record*
[19:32:27] <paul_c> OK... So you will be running freqmod and using the parallel port.
[19:32:39] <tony> yes most definately
[19:34:04] <paul_c> http://emc.sourceforge.net/Handbook/node22.html http://emc.sourceforge.net/Handbook/node21.html
[19:34:42] <tony> will this gibe me some sort of diagram for wiring?
[19:35:37] <paul_c> It will show which pins on the parallel port get used for home & limit switches.
[19:36:09] <tony> I see the pinout connections but what do I need to go into the pins and how does emc handle it.
[19:37:12] <paul_c> Would suggest wiring the switches in parallel, using the NO contacts
[19:37:36] <paul_c> arrange them to switch to ground when closed
[19:37:58] <tony> From what I have been able to gather so far if I put a 5 volt signal through the limit switch pin and then to ground the limit and home switches work
[19:38:21] <anonimasu> hm the plunge is at 250mm/min..
[19:38:36] <anonimasu> hm, works out though..
[19:38:48] <anonimasu> paul_c: thanks for all your help!
[19:38:52] <paul_c> One sec tony
[19:38:54] <anonimasu> and everyone else also!
[19:40:57] <paul_c> http://www.lmwatts.com/cnc.html has a schematic, but this is for an STG card with servos
[19:41:55] <paul_c> Darn... Was hoping Matt had a diagram on his web site.
[19:42:03] <tony> Am I right in putting 5v to the pin 13 and then to ground to make them operate properly
[19:42:31] <anonimasu> hm, I dont think you should have 5v..
[19:42:39] <anonimasu> just gnd..
[19:43:57] <robin_sz> not local gnd
[19:44:03] <paul_c> 5V O----\/\/\/\/\/\/\/---0--------o/------O GND
[19:44:14] <robin_sz> gnd sent from the control
[19:44:21] <anonimasu> yep
[19:44:21] <robin_sz> or 24v sent from the control
[19:44:38] <paul_c> NO Keep 24V out of the parport !
[19:44:40] <robin_sz> makes no differecne from a signals point of view
[19:44:52] <robin_sz> ugh .. parport
[19:44:56] <tony> wiring the switches to a relay with 24 volts. Then relay makes when one of the prox switches makes. Then what
[19:45:18] <robin_sz> personally. Id opto-isolate the whole plot
[19:45:48] <paul_c> Connect one of the relay contacts between pin13 & 25 on the parport
[19:46:18] <tony> 25 is ground right?
[19:46:25] <paul_c> and perhaps a 470R resistor from pin13 to +5V
[19:46:39] <paul_c> pin 25 is ground, yes.
[19:47:01] <tony> what does the resistor do
[19:47:17] <paul_c> pullup...
[19:47:23] <tony> huh
[19:48:16] <paul_c> It provides a little more current for the relay contact to switch...
[19:48:31] <robin_sz> always wet cour contacts
[19:48:38] <robin_sz> yor
[19:48:39] <robin_sz> your
[19:48:42] <robin_sz> damn this typing is hard
[19:48:49] <paul_c> Unless you have a relay rated for v. low current, it may not work quite as expected.
[19:48:52] <anonimasu> final pass
[19:48:54] <anonimasu> :D
[19:49:49] <Jymmm> paul_c (diode across coil contact) ?
[19:50:02] <anonimasu> done.
[19:50:27] <tony> I will have a 24v power supply to run out to the prox and back to the relay. the relay will operate with 24 volts and send what is needed out the other side. The other side is what I am concerned with and knowing how it works.
[19:51:31] <tony> I looks to me that if I run 5v out the other side to pin 13 and 25 I will be on the right track?
[19:52:03] <tony> Ground to 25
[19:52:22] <paul_c> Can you email me a note & I'll send you a quick scetch
[19:52:43] <paul_c> IRC is no good for diagrams..
[19:53:05] <tony> Yes what is your e-mail. I don't have it since I was canned from smithy
[19:59:00] <anonimasu> bleh..
[19:59:04] <anonimasu> damn meter company..
[19:59:10] <anonimasu> the meter is 25...
[19:59:13] <anonimasu> which is true.
[19:59:40] <anonimasu> except for the little casting imperfections.
[19:59:40] <anonimasu> :p
[19:59:49] <anonimasu> I gave them 0.03..
[19:59:52] <anonimasu> it slides in..
[19:59:58] <anonimasu> and then it locks up the last 0.4mm
[20:00:00] <anonimasu> :)
[20:00:56] <anonimasu> err 4..
[20:10:14] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/mnt01.jpg
[20:10:58] <anonimasu> www.bojn.net/~an0n/mnt02.jpg
[20:11:49] <anonimasu> what's how it ended :)
[20:42:45] <les> looks good
[20:47:16] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, and how long did that take?
[20:47:42] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, looks good from the fuzy images. :)
[20:49:13] <anonimasu> 20 minutes..
[20:49:15] <anonimasu> about that..
[20:49:20] <anonimasu> but I am finishing it now..
[20:49:26] <anonimasu> just trammed my new vise inplace..
[20:56:44] <anonimasu> Ill show the completed one in a bit..
[21:02:05] <Jymmm> * Jymmm REALLY needs to find a great email client one of these years
[21:02:42] <A-L-P-H-A> gmail. :)
[21:03:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I still like outlook... but I'll give evolution a try, once I figure out how to import outlook data to evolution
[21:09:21] <Jymmm> gmail is NOT a email CLIENT
[21:09:28] <A-L-P-H-A> yes it is.
[21:09:35] <A-L-P-H-A> explain to me how it doesn't not show your email?
[21:09:43] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A doesn't do IMAP
[21:09:47] <A-L-P-H-A> it can gather your pop3 accounts too.
[21:10:09] <Jymmm> no folders
[21:10:10] <A-L-P-H-A> so all the other email clients out there that don't do imap aren't email clients?
[21:10:18] <A-L-P-H-A> folders are labels.
[21:10:25] <Jymmm> bullshit
[21:10:36] <Jymmm> REAL folders, not tagging something
[21:10:39] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, your statement is incorrect.
[21:10:50] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, it is an email clien. Just one that you don't accept.
[21:10:55] <A-L-P-H-A> client
[21:11:08] <Jymmm> ant not available OFFLINE
[21:11:20] <A-L-P-H-A> admit that you're wrong, and you'll sleep better tonight. :)
[21:11:52] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A goont goo goo
[21:12:28] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A hands Jymmm a pacifier.
[21:13:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I need more tea
[21:13:51] <cradek> * cradek needs some popcorn
[21:14:17] <Jymmm> cradek hey, how did you make that TTF utility you have?
[21:14:46] <cradek> with vi
[21:15:06] <Jymmm> cradek: Heh, I mean how to you "access" the vector portion of TTF fonts?
[21:15:17] <Jymmm> s/to/did/
[21:15:25] <cradek> with Freetype
[21:15:44] <Jymmm> cradek oh so you just hooked into it that way?
[21:15:49] <cradek> yes - have a look at the source!
[21:16:09] <Jymmm> cradek: Like I would would what I'm looking at.
[21:16:33] <Jymmm> cradek: what else does FreeType give you access to?
[21:16:37] <cradek> it's pretty simple except for dealing with the storage of the vectors.
[21:16:53] <cradek> Jymmm: the other big part of it, which I don't use at all, is a scanline converter (rasterizer)
[21:16:56] <Jymmm> I would think it be easier to store vectors
[21:17:19] <cradek> it does store the vectors, but in a way that uses as little space as possible, at the expense of clarity
[21:17:23] <Jymmm> cradek Yeah, I always see TTF used as raster (sucks)
[21:17:42] <cradek> well it's what you want on your screen, so that's how it tends to work.
[21:17:56] <cradek> my program is much better than those others that do it the raster way.
[21:18:01] <Jymmm> cradek bullpucky, gimme vector anyday
[21:18:29] <cradek> I meant: your monitor displays rasters. typically, Freetype is used to render to your monitor.
[21:18:59] <cradek> clearly vectors are what we want for cnc, rasters for monitors.
[21:19:15] <Jymmm> cradek: I hear ya, I would much rather have vector and reserve raster for images.
[21:19:41] <Jymmm> I fight raster far too much when if comes to text.
[21:19:44] <cradek> so have you used it (my program TTT)?
[21:20:10] <Jymmm> cradek Not yet, I will though. Need to build my machien first.
[21:20:39] <Jymmm> cradek btw... A bug WILL find me within 15 minutes too.
[21:21:19] <cradek> ?
[21:21:54] <Jymmm> cradek Whenever I use a new graphics related program, I dont' find bugs, bugs find me and within 15 minutes on average.
[21:22:16] <cradek> I don't think TTT is complex enough to have unseen bugs.
[21:22:55] <Jymmm> cradek I hope not, but we'll see =)
[21:23:04] <Jymmm> murphy is a dead man when I catch him
[21:23:17] <cradek> well, if you find one, rest assured that I don't care and you'll have to fix it yourself.
[21:23:51] <Jymmm> cradek It's MUCh easier to whine about it and you fix it just to shut me the fsck up =)
[21:29:50] <tony> paul_c are you still out there
[21:31:17] <picnet> Evening
[21:52:29] <robin_sz> blinkin flip
[21:52:32] <robin_sz> picnet!
[21:53:18] <Jymmm> robin_sz: Fine... I ordered samples of the N series
[21:53:24] <robin_sz> good lad :)
[21:53:35] <robin_sz> right decision
[21:54:06] <Jymmm> ask him to toss in some W sample he had laying around too, just to get an idea.
[21:54:28] <Jymmm> N tolerance is like .1 or .01 though
[22:03:33] <Dmess> anyone know how to rewrite the MBR on a drive...
[22:04:20] <cradek> what OS?
[22:04:22] <Jymmm> using nix or DOS ?
[22:04:31] <Jymmm> fdisk /mbr for dos
[22:04:34] <Dmess> i seem to have LILO stuck in MBR and therefore GRUB on boot partition isnt even getting seen...
[22:05:01] <Dmess> nothing.. been trying to get linux on it for a while
[22:05:25] <Dmess> ill dos it
[22:06:01] <robin_sz> youve installed grub ?
[22:06:11] <Jymmm> if you have lilo already on it (or at one time), DOS fdisk wont fix it; try a knoppix cd
[22:06:21] <robin_sz> grub should do it ..
[22:06:48] <robin_sz> make sure youve told grub the right device ...
[22:08:45] <Dmess> knoppix... as in the live BDI???
[22:09:14] <Dmess> wich is the smaller boot partition it created .. right??
[22:10:47] <Dmess> fdisk /mbr returned a prompt... @ reboot it said missing operating system... instead of LI
[22:11:12] <Dmess> so i think its either gooder .. or FUBAR'd
[22:16:21] <cradek> mark a partition active
[22:18:40] <Dmess> doesnt the BDI do that??
[22:19:44] <anonimasu> hm..
[22:19:49] <anonimasu> this meter mount weighs too much
[22:20:00] <gezr> you need to rescue the root image, and re-install the bootloader, be it grub or lilo
[22:20:39] <Dmess> rescue.... why??
[22:20:53] <Dmess> cant i just overwrite it??
[22:21:16] <gezr> Im thinking the live version will work if at the boot prompt, you use rescue root=/dev/hdX where X is the partition you installeed the / partition, once its booted, it will be using the kernel off the cdrom, and you will have access to the installed file system, from there you can re run either grub or lilo
[22:22:08] <Dmess> im not concerned about saving anything other than the drive...
[22:22:18] <gezr> why re-install, that is a valid option, but it may not necessarly fix the problem, the boot loader on a shared os drive, needs to be on the mbr of the drive, both lilo and grub can boot a windows partition.
[22:23:10] <gezr> or another loader needs to know the location of the linux loader of choice, if you just want to save the drive, then rescue the install, and check the grub or lilo configuration
[22:33:51] <anonimasu> www.bojn.net/~an0n/mnt03.jpg
[22:35:50] <anonimasu> that's how it ended up
[22:41:15] <gezr> looks good
[22:41:37] <anonimasu> yeah but I am not too happy with it..
[22:41:47] <gezr> why not?
[22:42:10] <anonimasu> I milled the edges \
[22:42:42] <anonimasu> but when I flipped the piece to mill a flat they got uneven..
[22:43:14] <anonimasu> so I had to rescue it..
[22:43:21] <anonimasu> I need to facemill a bit more off it..
[22:43:28] <anonimasu> so it'll be lighter then it's now
[22:43:46] <Jymmm> anonimasu why are you making a cup holder?
[22:44:04] <anonimasu> Jymmm: it's a meter mount not a cup holder.
[22:44:23] <Jymmm> anonimasu turn it over... it's now a cupholder for your car
[22:44:48] <paul_c> or an egg cup...
[22:44:54] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[22:45:19] <gezr> it looks like a mount of some sort and pretty good
[22:45:27] <paul_c> although.... It could be a meter pod.
[22:45:43] <gezr> gun sight mount?
[22:45:54] <anonimasu> gezr: a meter mount for my car
[22:46:01] <Jymmm> pipe hanger?
[22:46:12] <gezr> oh its going to hold your ash tray :)
[22:46:30] <Jymmm> oh oh oh I know... it's a sex chair accessory mount!
[22:46:33] <gezr> I have to go now
[22:47:16] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I told you what it is stop speculating already :p
[22:47:21] <Jymmm> hasta gezr
[22:47:27] <anonimasu> Jymmm: I can make one for your sex-chair.. if you want..
[22:47:42] <Jymmm> anonimasu na, got 12 laready
[22:51:44] <Jymmm> ok bbl - need to wipe this hdd!
[22:51:58] <Jymmm> Everyone have a nice weekend!
[22:52:03] <pfred1> Jymmm why?
[22:55:12] <robin_sz> OK, bedtime
[22:55:26] <pfred1> 6PM is bedtime?
[22:55:39] <robin_sz> midnight here
[22:55:48] <pfred1> oh
[22:55:53] <pfred1> yeah that's late nite
[22:56:02] <robin_sz> cyaalll.....
[23:35:38] <pfred1> minimess hey dmess
[23:36:26] <minimess> hi wife booted me off my box...LOL
[23:36:51] <paul_c> You have the root apsswd ?
[23:36:56] <pfred1> well it's her job
[23:37:07] <minimess> i made a frisbee outa my 4.2 d/l
[23:37:18] <pfred1> that good huh?
[23:37:39] <pfred1> reminds me of when I made the first embedded Linux distro with Rdhat 5.0
[23:38:04] <pfred1> I threw that CD so hard it "embedded" itself into the wall!
[23:38:19] <minimess> winblows box.. she could fry the ide for all i care but dont dare plug in the scuzzi
[23:39:10] <pfred1> I like IDE anymore lost my taste for SCSI
[23:39:11] <minimess> rh 5 bdi was my first intro to linux SAMS learn yourself linux in 24 hrs
[23:39:24] <pfred1> man RH 5.0 sucked so hard!
[23:39:29] <pfred1> and i love Linux
[23:39:37] <paul_c> The DBI never used RH5
[23:39:47] <pfred1> they stopped counting bugs at over 32,000
[23:39:50] <paul_c> s/DBI/BDI/
[23:40:19] <pfred1> I went back to slackware for like 2 years after 5.0 came out
[23:40:23] <minimess> no not BDI.. just a pretty simple install
[23:41:15] <pfred1> learn Linux in 24 hours that's a laugh
[23:41:35] <pfred1> 10 years and i still haven't scratched the surface here
[23:42:35] <minimess> ive read and re-read that book... still jiberish..
[23:43:02] <pfred1> best Linux book for my money is Linux in a Nutshell by OReilly
[23:43:29] <minimess> have to look for it next trip to chapters
[23:43:34] <pfred1> past that just google it
[23:44:09] <minimess> when did google become a verb??
[23:44:36] <pfred1> some of the old X Windows books OReilly made are pretty sharp
[23:44:46] <pfred1> if you're into X
