#emc | Logs for 2005-03-21

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[00:47:39] <A-L-P-H-A> hello netsplit.
[00:47:47] <A-L-P-H-A> welcome to efnet. :) please enjoy your stay, or split
[01:27:06] <CIA-7> 03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: added support for quadrature and 4 wire phase drive
[02:20:32] <CIA-7> 03gezr 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/- New directory: File changed. New revision:NONE
[02:23:47] <A-L-P-H-A> CIA-4 got murdered, and was replaced by it's evil twin CIA-7.
[02:29:40] <gezr> I dont understand cvs enough to be doing this right now, what im trying isn't working, so im going to stop where im at
[02:59:48] <CIA-7> 03gezr 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/annotated.html: File changed. New revision:classAxisNumber.html
[03:00:16] <gezr> well I hope that worked
[03:01:40] <gezr> hmm, it doesnt see to be accepting my messages
[03:10:03] <CIA-7> 03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: renamed freqmod param to STEPPING_TYPE
[07:14:56] <A-L-P-H-A> quiet tonight
[07:16:32] <Jymmm> yeah
[07:18:39] <A-L-P-H-A> so what's up?
[07:18:47] <A-L-P-H-A> wonder when I'll get my toys I bought from ebay.
[07:19:00] <A-L-P-H-A> it's been 11 days for one package, and 5 for another.
[07:19:36] <A-L-P-H-A> stepper driver, and a DA300 extention collet tool holder.
[07:20:11] <Jymmm> good pricing on everything?
[07:25:30] <anonimasu> good morning
[07:26:39] <A-L-P-H-A> morning anonimasu.
[07:26:46] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, yeah. not bad at all.
[07:27:51] <Jymmm> cool
[07:27:59] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, stepper driver from manufacturer is $1056 + shipping. I got it for $150Shipped [now lets test if it works]. The DA300 $45shipped with 5 collets. MCSdirect is selling it for $70 for the holder + each collet.
[07:28:17] <Jymmm> da300 ?
[07:30:41] <A-L-P-H-A> double angel collets
[07:30:45] <A-L-P-H-A> angle
[07:31:36] <A-L-P-H-A> very small sized.
[07:31:44] <A-L-P-H-A> they're like 1/2" dia x 1" long collets.
[07:32:54] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c introducted me to them a few days ago... saw them on eBay, so I bought it, cause I thought the price was good
[07:33:42] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7500678740&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6
[07:34:25] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3880056302&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT
[07:35:16] <anonimasu> I'll be back in a bit
[08:07:12] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A let me know how that vexta driver works out
[08:08:39] <A-L-P-H-A> that driver... it's 5phase
[08:08:40] <A-L-P-H-A> for pentagon winding, not star
[08:08:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll let you know
[08:16:03] <Jymmm> k
[08:18:40] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[09:15:30] <Phoebe> Hi all
[09:44:47] <anonimasu> hello
[11:37:41] <anonimasu_> :)
[11:37:43] <anonimasu_> nice day today isnt it?
[11:44:51] <anonimasu_> * anonimasu_ sighs
[11:44:59] <anonimasu_> I just broke a large project at work..
[13:07:55] <anonimasu_> hm..
[13:11:31] <les> morning
[13:11:37] <les> or evening
[13:13:05] <les> what did you break anon?
[13:14:47] <les> Well i'll just talk to myself...
[13:15:01] <les> trying to do some photography today
[13:15:08] <les> of the new products
[13:16:04] <anonimasu_> hey
[13:16:05] <anonimasu_> oh
[13:16:13] <anonimasu_> I broke my plc program..
[13:16:19] <les> oh
[13:16:24] <anonimasu_> I got a better idea this morning
[13:16:30] <les> I have to get going with plsc soon
[13:16:31] <anonimasu_> and I made some changes.. which means re-writing everything..
[13:16:32] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:16:38] <les> plcs
[13:16:43] <anonimasu_> nice
[13:17:11] <anonimasu_> but it's a good thing
[13:17:15] <les> The things I am phoyographing require that robotic pinter
[13:17:30] <anonimasu_> http://www.haascnc.com/training/MillProgram_PDF/xMcb.pdf
[13:17:31] <les> ow can't type today
[13:17:41] <anonimasu_> *looking at how commercial machines have their controls..
[13:17:43] <les> actually can't type ever
[13:17:48] <les> looking...
[13:18:08] <anonimasu_> had a large talk yesterday about what should be allowed to do from the panel..
[13:18:11] <anonimasu_> and macros and things..
[13:18:42] <anonimasu_> if you should be able to call macros off the panel while running..
[13:18:49] <anonimasu_> like "hold" stop spindle & retract
[13:19:18] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:19:34] <les> lots of buttons to push
[13:19:37] <anonimasu_> yeah..
[13:20:10] <les> I will need a few front panel controls for stuff on the painter
[13:20:21] <les> timing and such
[13:20:44] <les> very simple really
[13:21:00] <les> just two stationary spray heads
[13:21:09] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:21:10] <les> stepper motor turntable
[13:21:25] <les> possible pick and place for the parts
[13:21:35] <anonimasu_> nice
[13:21:39] <anonimasu_> I am thinking about building a panel
[13:21:54] <les> programmed in basic rather than ladder
[13:22:04] <anonimasu_> ladder is horrid
[13:22:04] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:22:27] <les> emc with millwrite is great for engraving electronic panels
[13:22:53] <les> You ought to download the functional demo and give it a shot
[13:22:55] <anonimasu_> hm..
[13:22:57] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:23:03] <anonimasu_> I should do that..
[13:23:05] <les> really easy to use
[13:23:16] <anonimasu_> plexi + engraving + paint + facemilling
[13:23:33] <les> yeah
[13:23:38] <anonimasu_> same as you did with the wood panels
[13:23:55] <anonimasu_> engrave paint and then facemill it..
[13:24:00] <les> or engrave reverse on the back, color fill, and wipe off the surface
[13:24:15] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:24:16] <les> easy
[13:24:16] <les> looks nice too
[13:24:33] <anonimasu_> I've got a PLC interface half done :)
[13:25:08] <anonimasu_> just need to write the nml ties
[13:25:08] <les> I see
[13:25:08] <anonimasu_> but I have the serial comm part finished..
[13:25:25] <anonimasu_> got around to coding for a couple of hours yesterday..
[13:25:28] <anonimasu_> 1 or 2 :)
[13:25:49] <les> so emc can send and recieve nml messages through rs232?
[13:26:00] <les> or 485
[13:26:06] <anonimasu_> well emc > nml > wrapper > rs232
[13:26:13] <les> ok
[13:26:14] <anonimasu_> I dont want to have nml on the plc..
[13:26:33] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:26:46] <les> so one way to the plc?
[13:27:04] <anonimasu_> not nescessarily..
[13:27:11] <les> hmm
[13:27:15] <anonimasu_> the wrapper sends back stuff via nml..
[13:27:22] <anonimasu_> if you want it
[13:27:25] <les> oh good
[13:27:38] <les> sounds very useful
[13:27:38] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:27:51] <anonimasu_> it's better to do some stuff with a PLC..
[13:27:52] <anonimasu_> since they dont fail.. :)
[13:27:55] <les> right
[13:28:09] <anonimasu_> I dont trust pc's that much
[13:28:43] <anonimasu_> I'll use it to have a jog button..
[13:28:45] <les> I have had pretty good luck with the big machine
[13:29:04] <les> never has crashed the os in operation
[13:29:09] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:29:31] <les> but someday a hard drive or something will go
[13:29:50] <les> I keep an identical spare all set to drop in
[13:30:02] <anonimasu_> I think I'll put the estop logic in the plc..
[13:30:32] <anonimasu_> since I have loads of cycles to spare
[13:30:34] <les> well over here external estop logic is pretty much required
[13:30:44] <anonimasu_> yeah, but that's external ;)
[13:30:54] <les> yup
[13:31:17] <anonimasu_> and I have loads of i/o's..
[13:31:18] <anonimasu_> also
[13:31:22] <anonimasu_> 16 in 16 out
[13:31:26] <anonimasu_> and 2 analog out.. and 2 in
[13:31:38] <anonimasu_> and 2 rs232 and 2 can
[13:31:47] <les> yeah the modern plcs are very poweful
[13:32:24] <les> well of to set up photo shoot
[13:32:26] <anonimasu_> I'll interpolate the accel of the jog wheel and calculate the feed..
[13:32:41] <les> of the new turkey calls
[13:32:41] <les> will put on the blog
[13:32:42] <anonimasu_> so I get away not having it realtime
[13:32:45] <anonimasu_> nice
[13:32:52] <anonimasu_> I am looking forward to seeing it :)
[13:33:11] <narnia> good morning
[13:33:23] <les> heh...I really should have a professional photographer do it
[13:33:31] <les> morning narnia
[13:33:43] <les> how's the weather up there?
[13:33:43] <narnia> les, how goes it?
[13:33:48] <les> ok
[13:33:58] <anonimasu_> I'll use the 0-10v input to lower the feedrate incase the spindle load goes up too much
[13:35:02] <narnia> les, sunny a bit chilly but nice.
[13:35:14] <les> hmm constant power milling
[13:35:35] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:35:37] <les> 42 here...high 65
[13:35:48] <anonimasu_> I am thinking very high feeds and constant chipload..
[13:36:11] <narnia> les, high will be around 42 here.
[13:36:26] <les> ok so lower feed= lower rpm= constant cl
[13:37:13] <les> Narnia: not too bad
[13:37:19] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:37:23] <anonimasu_> somthing like that
[13:37:38] <les> well off to set up photography
[13:37:42] <les> back later
[13:37:55] <anonimasu_> I was thinking about lowering the feed only..
[13:37:56] <anonimasu_> yeah
[13:37:58] <anonimasu_> laters les
[13:37:59] <anonimasu_> good luck
[13:38:01] <anonimasu_> :)
[13:45:15] <CIA-7> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/po/ (de_rs274_err.po rs274_err.pot): Added operator error messages from emctaskmain to the pot.
[13:57:58] <jepler> did I miss any interesting discussions yesterday? I saw there was talk of "scripting" and "macros" but I didn't follow it all (it's all about the kinds of things I don't need to do)
[14:00:42] <paul_c> Not really... I switched off when the discussion went of into how to break the interp.
[14:14:42] <alex_joni> greetings
[14:15:03] <alex_joni> darn.. robin_sz is not around
[14:15:56] <nevyn_> nevyn_ is now known as nevyn
[14:19:48] <paul_c> alex_joni: I owe half an apology
[14:19:56] <alex_joni> paul_c: you do?
[14:20:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wasn't aware
[14:20:22] <CIA-7> 03paul_c 07pc_2_6_test * 10emc2/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
[14:20:46] <paul_c> There are some NML messgaes being produced in emctaskmain - Operator errors & messages.
[14:20:48] <CIA-7> 03paul_c * 10emc2/src/ (emc/task/emctaskmain.cc po/de_rs274_err.po po/rs274_err.pot): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
[14:20:54] <alex_joni> I wanted to ask you yesterday.. but I was too tired...
[14:21:03] <alex_joni> what's happening in pc_2_6_test ?
[14:21:45] <alex_joni> paul_c: few people really know what's happening with NML ;)
[14:21:48] <paul_c> (tits) working in the wrong branch...
[14:22:06] <alex_joni> even the extent you know is a "bit" more than what I do ;)
[14:22:23] <alex_joni> ever heard about shopbottools ?
[14:23:09] <alex_joni> I just got a request for a router (like the one seen on sopbottools)
[14:24:50] <CIA-7> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Update rs274 error messages so that it is a little easier to merge the translation tables at a later date.
[14:29:09] <paul_c> Specs are about average for a low cost wood router
[14:31:03] <paul_c> Hrrrmmmm... cvs didn't quite work as I expected today....
[14:31:48] <paul_c> Even though those files appear to be checked in on the 2.6 test branch, the appear at the head.
[14:36:52] <alex_joni> well from what I've seen that's common to CVS
[14:37:10] <alex_joni> anything checked in under branches can be seen from HEAD too
[14:37:14] <alex_joni> like directories & such
[14:37:20] <alex_joni> even if they don't exist in head
[14:38:16] <paul_c> The directories thing caught me out too... But files in one branch shouldn't be visable in another...
[14:43:08] <anonimasu_> :)
[14:45:11] <anonimasu_> anonimasu_ is now known as an0n
[14:45:19] <an0n> an0n is now known as anonimasu
[14:45:44] <anonimasu> paul_c: are you aginst implementing macro functionality?
[14:49:08] <paul_c> in the interp ?
[14:55:38] <paul_c> * paul_c is adding some more i18n error message support...
[15:01:24] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:01:39] <alex_joni> paul_c: what needs to be done to add i18n to GUIs?
[15:02:19] <paul_c> translations ofthe widget labels, and help files
[15:03:46] <anonimasu> what's i18n?
[15:04:44] <paul_c> internationalisation.
[15:04:47] <anonimasu> ah
[15:04:51] <alex_joni> well.. I kinda figured that out
[15:04:57] <alex_joni> but how should that be done?
[15:05:01] <alex_joni> e.g. with tcl?
[15:05:07] <alex_joni> err tk
[15:05:09] <alex_joni> tkemc
[15:05:23] <nevyn> everything should be i18n'd
[15:05:50] <paul_c> The tkemc GUI is going to be a pain to work on...
[15:06:25] <alex_joni> nevyn: that's the plan
[15:06:36] <alex_joni> paul_c: I'll bug rayh about this
[15:06:57] <paul_c> I'd leave him be fo a while...
[15:06:58] <alex_joni> afaik tkemc is his baby?
[15:07:04] <alex_joni> busy?
[15:07:14] <nevyn> I mean everything. including logs should support i18n logging and support logging
[15:07:30] <paul_c> let's just say "under preassure"
[15:07:34] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[15:07:58] <alex_joni> paul_c: got it
[15:08:02] <alex_joni> SWP: hello
[15:08:06] <SWPadnos> hi
[15:08:41] <paul_c> there is still the rs274ngc & operator error messages to translate in to
[15:08:58] <anonimasu> paul_c: what do you think about it?
[15:09:11] <paul_c> Norse, Dutch, French, etc,etc...
[15:09:31] <paul_c> even Ozzie..
[15:10:25] <paul_c> anonimasu: Translating tkemc ?
[15:10:33] <anonimasu> about the interp..
[15:11:13] <paul_c> interp with macros ?
[15:11:52] <anonimasu> yeah..
[15:11:53] <anonimasu> ofcourse.
[15:12:05] <anonimasu> macros/subs
[15:12:25] <paul_c> take a look at Ken's changes.
[15:12:39] <anonimasu> where are they?
[15:12:45] <anonimasu> in the cvs?
[15:12:52] <paul_c> mailed to the ist a couple of days ago.
[15:13:14] <anonimasu> ah I dont get the list
[15:13:15] <anonimasu> :/
[15:13:32] <anonimasu> I should subscribe
[15:13:48] <paul_c> DCC ?
[15:20:52] <anonimasu> thanks
[15:20:52] <anonimasu> tried thoose changes?
[15:20:52] <paul_c> not me.
[15:20:52] <anonimasu> ok
[15:20:52] <anonimasu> anyone else?
[15:20:52] <anonimasu> hm, where's the mail attached to it?
[15:21:43] <paul_c> Last Friday on the emc-dev list.
[15:22:15] <anonimasu> hm..
[15:22:46] <anonimasu> how do I get thoose mails?
[15:23:09] <anonimasu> err the archive
[15:23:11] <anonimasu> *stupid*
[15:26:27] <CIA-7> 03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemccommand.cc: File changed. New revision:qemccommand.hh
[15:26:58] <alex_joni> anon: sign upto receive mails
[15:26:59] <alex_joni> :D
[15:27:03] <alex_joni> or go to sourceforge
[15:27:06] <alex_joni> you'll find it there
[15:28:07] <paul_c> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers
[15:28:56] <anonimasu> I went there..
[15:28:58] <anonimasu> but I cant find the mail
[15:29:02] <anonimasu> what's kens fill name?
[15:29:04] <anonimasu> full
[15:29:05] <anonimasu> :D
[15:29:19] <alex_joni> anon: tell me your mail I'll forward it
[15:30:19] <anonimasu> anders@almaskin.se
[15:30:28] <anonimasu> I'll subscribe.. later tonight..
[15:30:29] <anonimasu> :)
[15:30:47] <SWPadnos> oooh - not too long to wait for the spam now :)
[15:30:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu likes the talk about segmentqueue
[15:30:53] <alex_joni> sent
[15:30:58] <alex_joni> lol
[15:31:05] <alex_joni> I was thinking that you
[15:31:13] <alex_joni> you'll send it in a private msg
[15:31:19] <alex_joni> or put an AT..
[15:31:50] <anonimasu> haha
[15:32:07] <anonimasu> ouch it went to the logs ^_^
[15:32:19] <anonimasu> if somone makes a effort to fix it I might upgrade my box.. so I can try it out at more feed..
[15:32:36] <alex_joni> yeah.. but the logs aren't submited to google.. so that should be safe
[15:32:51] <anonimasu> dosent worry me that much the spamfilter works good :)
[15:33:11] <alex_joni> spamassassin?
[15:33:34] <anonimasu> spamassassin + razor + somt other RBL
[15:34:07] <alex_joni> cool
[15:34:40] <anonimasu> qmail + vpopmail + courier imapd + spamassassin + razor + badwords(cant remember the name of it) + clamav
[15:34:52] <anonimasu> horrid install :)
[15:35:12] <anonimasu> I hope the mailserver stays up forever :D
[15:36:00] <alex_joni> an0n: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/
[15:37:11] <anonimasu> haha
[15:38:25] <anonimasu> I like that page
[15:41:22] <anonimasu> I'll be back in a bit going to go home from work now
[15:41:23] <anonimasu> :)
[15:41:28] <alex_joni> bye
[15:41:34] <anonimasu> b ye
[15:41:55] <anonimasu> I should try some of thoose changes later tonight..
[15:42:09] <anonimasu> :)
[15:43:40] <anonimasu> take care :)
[15:59:40] <ccjoe_> ccjoe_ is now known as ccjoe
[16:00:25] <alex_joni> paul_c: I think ::msgcat::mc needs to be used with tcl/tk for i18n
[16:07:02] <joe2000chevy> yo
[16:07:09] <joe2000chevy> lol
[16:07:20] <alex_joni> hello
[16:07:30] <joe2000chevy> hey hows it going.
[16:07:44] <alex_joni> pretty ok
[16:08:21] <joe2000chevy> man i need to find out whats going on in my EMC, the cutter takes a plung when trying to cut something, but in windows mach2 the machine works perfect....?
[16:08:33] <joe2000chevy> same g-code
[16:10:20] <alex_joni> can you post the lines at the beginning?
[16:10:28] <alex_joni> how did you define tool length?
[16:10:35] <alex_joni> what tool# did you use?
[16:10:42] <joe2000chevy> i use stepdown.
[16:10:48] <joe2000chevy> in each pass
[16:10:59] <joe2000chevy> i do not use tool numbers
[16:11:19] <joe2000chevy> im at work so i will have to do it later
[16:12:20] <joe2000chevy> for instant letters it cuts a letter then steps down 0.05 and recuts does this untill desired depth
[16:12:34] <joe2000chevy> less strain on machin for me.
[16:12:48] <joe2000chevy> and able to cut faster rate
[16:13:02] <joe2000chevy> altho the cutting is repetative
[16:15:52] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[16:16:00] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[16:16:03] <alex_joni> that was fast
[16:17:25] <joe2000chevy> lol
[16:17:29] <joe2000chevy> hi, bye
[16:17:56] <anonimasu> :)
[16:23:42] <anonimasu> wb led
[16:23:43] <anonimasu> les
[16:23:49] <joe2000chevy> hello les
[16:23:56] <les> hi
[16:24:20] <les> had to run housecall
[16:24:21] <alex_joni> hey les
[16:24:25] <les> machine was slow
[16:24:31] <les> no virus
[16:24:34] <joe2000chevy> slow?
[16:24:43] <les> I think it's that dumb nvidea card
[16:24:44] <joe2000chevy> reboot... lol
[16:24:56] <les> heh
[16:24:58] <joe2000chevy> drivers?
[16:25:13] <les> the card says 64 meg
[16:25:20] <les> but it only has 32
[16:25:50] <les> uses system memory for the rest and has an application running called...
[16:26:32] <les> rscmpt.exe
[16:26:50] <joe2000chevy> :(
[16:26:53] <les> that task manager says often uses 90% of resources
[16:26:56] <alex_joni> maybe wrong driver?
[16:27:04] <les> I googled it
[16:27:11] <les> common problem
[16:27:15] <joe2000chevy> why share resources?
[16:27:17] <anonimasu> :/
[16:27:18] <les> bad driver
[16:27:26] <les> and the only driver too
[16:27:43] <les> solution is to yank the card and get a good one
[16:28:31] <les> it was a dumb marketing thing to sell a card that eats up resources like that so you can say 64meg on the ads
[16:28:35] <joe2000chevy> yea thats what i would do, get a simple card
[16:28:48] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:29:23] <les> well I need a pretty good one because I use flight simulator to brush up on piloting and navigation skills
[16:29:47] <les> Not quite like real flying but close
[16:29:53] <anonimasu> hm.. you should buy a radeon 9800 or somthing like that..
[16:29:57] <anonimasu> :)
[16:29:58] <les> yeah
[16:30:08] <anonimasu> I have a 9800(256mb) in my laptop..
[16:30:17] <anonimasu> they are very fast..
[16:30:33] <joe2000chevy> I have Gforce 4 on my laptop
[16:30:35] <les> If I get sloppy on navigation etc I could end up digging a big hole in the ground
[16:31:25] <joe2000chevy> lol
[16:31:30] <joe2000chevy> crash and burn
[16:31:47] <joe2000chevy> ok i thought it was for your linux emc machines....
[16:32:04] <anonimasu> les: yeah that's scary
[16:32:23] <les> this is geforce2MX400
[16:32:27] <les> crap card
[16:32:27] <anonimasu> oh..
[16:32:53] <les> linux machines have old ATI cards
[16:33:20] <les> I don't care much about display quality on the cnc stuff
[16:34:21] <les> Hmmm waiting for the customer to visit....and checking the final costing on these new product lines
[16:34:40] <les> I have to ammortize in that paint robot
[16:34:43] <anonimasu> gotten the images online yet?
[16:35:14] <les> Had to wait...since I am waiting for the customer to see them
[16:35:34] <les> I want to see if he will spring for a big order
[16:36:19] <les> with the standard line I make $5.25 in 3 minutes 10 seconds of cnc time
[16:37:08] <les> same for this...but expensive wood, inlayind, and tinted laquer finishing brings up the price
[16:37:29] <les> $18.50 500+
[16:37:40] <les> MY MARGINS ARE LOWER ON THIS
[16:37:44] <les> oops
[16:38:06] <les> itHEY HAVE LOTS OF HAND WORK
[16:38:14] <les> dammit
[16:38:34] <les> hit caps lock when i go for shift
[16:38:36] <les> heh
[16:38:38] <anonimasu> :/
[16:39:44] <les> so I pay worker 10....then mark it up to about 25
[16:40:01] <les> they aren't running machines or anything
[16:40:09] <les> just doing hand work
[16:40:20] <les> I hope that plan will work
[16:40:37] <les> hmmm sanity check
[16:40:54] <les> They could only make 20 or so a day
[16:41:21] <les> so that is about 400
[16:41:48] <les> 320 minus material cost
[16:42:14] <les> that is only 40/ hr for shop time
[16:42:20] <les> a little slim
[16:42:42] <anonimasu> how much would it go up bu automating the painting?
[16:42:52] <les> but it is just someone sitting there glueing up inlays
[16:43:46] <anonimasu> I was looking at a wood cutting machine today.. that some guys next door wanted us to re-do the huydralics on today..
[16:43:47] <les> I have put in about $4 per unit to pay off the robot
[16:43:53] <les> for the time being
[16:44:10] <anonimasu> I am work damged..
[16:44:21] <les> The thing will take a couple weeks to build
[16:44:25] <les> at least
[16:44:38] <anonimasu> "a motor to feed the wood.. then a sensor and just chop it up..
[16:44:44] <les> so that's 6000 or so opportunity cost
[16:44:59] <anonimasu> and as soon there's a piece in the split part fwap.
[16:45:18] <les> huh? haha
[16:45:31] <les> wood wast is already 90%
[16:45:35] <les> waste
[16:45:36] <anonimasu> it's firewood..
[16:45:42] <anonimasu> ;)
[16:46:03] <les> because it is a thin hollow shell carved out of solid wood
[16:46:09] <anonimasu> ah..
[16:46:10] <anonimasu> about that
[16:46:11] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:46:31] <les> You should see the sawdust pile made by the cnc
[16:46:37] <les> several tons.
[16:46:39] <anonimasu> argh
[16:46:57] <alex_joni> les: can't you press brickets out of it?
[16:47:02] <alex_joni> or what are those called?
[16:47:08] <les> yeah
[16:47:11] <anonimasu> les: that would be a good way to get rid of it
[16:47:14] <alex_joni> the ones you use for wood-boilers & such
[16:47:17] <les> Guess I could
[16:47:26] <alex_joni> you could even sell them
[16:47:56] <les> Well I am using the ends and short remnants to make butcher block
[16:47:58] <anonimasu> that was my idea..
[16:48:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni writes that down...
[16:48:35] <alex_joni> an0n had an idea
[16:48:37] <les> the sawdust in mills is usually burned to power the kilns
[16:49:22] <anonimasu> lots of places do that over here..
[16:49:22] <anonimasu> they press/sell "pellets"..
[16:49:22] <les> yeah
[16:49:22] <alex_joni> yeah pellets
[16:49:52] <les> wish one could have a pellet stove like burner that just screw fed the sawdust in
[16:50:07] <anonimasu> hm.. that$BgT(B not efficient :)
[16:50:12] <les> without having to pelletize them
[16:50:14] <anonimasu> you'd need so very much sawdust to kee� it running..
[16:50:16] <anonimasu> keep..
[16:50:28] <les> I have that much
[16:50:33] <anonimasu> the pellets have a higher density and burns longer :)
[16:50:35] <anonimasu> yeah but for sale
[16:50:45] <les> oh yeah
[16:51:16] <les> I thought the way those things work is to continually feed em in...almost like a fluid
[16:51:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:51:36] <anonimasu> but they generate lots of energy when they burn..
[16:51:40] <anonimasu> sine they are compacted..
[16:51:46] <les> why not just do that with graded chips?
[16:51:58] <anonimasu> size..
[16:52:10] <anonimasu> density I think is the reason..
[16:52:17] <anonimasu> burn a pellet and burn a equally sized chip
[16:52:31] <les> but with the same mass flow....
[16:53:52] <joe2000chevy> wood pellits used in furnace for casting.
[16:54:25] <anonimasu> hm..
[16:54:53] <les> heh
[16:55:12] <anonimasu> :)
[16:55:22] <les> I guess chips would have a hard to predict burn rate
[16:55:38] <les> a computer could control it
[16:56:10] <les> servo it
[16:56:14] <anonimasu> LOL!
[16:56:42] <les> mass flow sensor of exhaust, temperature etc
[16:56:49] <les> heheh
[16:57:27] <les> and detect ash formation
[16:57:58] <les> I'm just thinking of wood chips as a flammable fluid
[16:58:26] <anonimasu> lol
[16:59:33] <les> I think of silly ideas while I am sittin around waiting for my customer to get here for the meeting
[16:59:56] <anonimasu> pellets are easier to sell :)
[17:00:08] <les> they are very expensive here
[17:00:13] <les> don't know why
[17:00:21] <anonimasu> hm that's strange..
[17:00:54] <les> I don't know how they are made
[17:01:03] <les> hydraulic press I guess
[17:01:08] <anonimasu> they have a machine that presses them..
[17:01:11] <anonimasu> adds a bit of water..
[17:01:17] <les> binder?
[17:01:41] <anonimasu> yeah
[17:01:47] <anonimasu> and to increase the burn time I think..
[17:01:50] <les> starch or something?
[17:01:57] <anonimasu> nope..
[17:02:00] <anonimasu> I dont think that's it
[17:02:10] <les> google time haha
[17:02:15] <anonimasu> I'll google for it
[17:02:27] <anonimasu> also :)
[17:03:08] <alex_joni> nitro ?
[17:03:26] <anonimasu> nitro?
[17:03:33] <alex_joni> nitroglycerin
[17:03:39] <anonimasu> lol
[17:03:42] <alex_joni> should increase burn time
[17:03:58] <alex_joni> also make it burn hotter
[17:04:06] <les> a bit
[17:04:15] <les> heh
[17:04:28] <anonimasu> they form slag metal when they burn also
[17:04:41] <les> actually I have read NG can be burned in an oil lamp
[17:04:50] <les> only shock detonates it
[17:04:59] <anonimasu> a pelletsmachine costs 750 000 sek.
[17:05:06] <anonimasu> ouch
[17:05:16] <anonimasu> 108695.65217391304347826086956522
[17:05:17] <anonimasu> �
[17:05:18] <anonimasu> err
[17:05:18] <les> um what is a sek?
[17:05:18] <anonimasu> $
[17:05:28] <les> oh
[17:05:32] <les> yikes
[17:05:35] <anonimasu> 6.90sek = 1usd
[17:05:40] <les> found any good links?
[17:06:23] <anonimasu> no
[17:06:35] <les> oh that figure isn't quite accurate enough...could you please have a couple more decimal places?
[17:06:38] <les> haha
[17:07:16] <anonimasu> www.xe.com
[17:07:17] <anonimasu> I think
[17:07:38] <alex_joni> lol
[17:07:53] <anonimasu> http://pkg.com.tw/e/029927957/next-01h.htm
[17:07:56] <alex_joni> you can save some 1/1000000000000000 cents ;)
[17:07:58] <les> Oh they seem to mostly use pine
[17:08:06] <alex_joni> I use pine
[17:08:14] <les> so the resin (turpenes) might be the binder
[17:08:16] <alex_joni> on ssh connections ;)
[17:08:24] <alex_joni> normally kmail :))
[17:09:54] <anonimasu> brb dinner
[17:09:57] <les> k
[17:20:23] <alex_joni> niiiiice
[17:20:31] <alex_joni> i18n really works on tkemc ;)
[17:21:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods paul_c
[17:22:37] <paul_c> * paul_c turns nasty ;O
[17:22:48] <alex_joni> some quick word with you
[17:22:59] <alex_joni> where should I put tkemc i18n files?
[17:23:26] <alex_joni> usually tk/tcl uses a folder called msgs (that would be emc2/tcl/msgs/ )
[17:23:35] <alex_joni> and files <locale>.msg
[17:23:46] <alex_joni> like en_US.msg, de.msg, etc.
[17:23:50] <alex_joni> does that sound ok?
[17:24:21] <alex_joni> or should I complicate things and put it all to src/po ?
[17:25:21] <paul_c> src/po would end up installed (probaly) in /usr/share....
[17:26:01] <alex_joni> yeah.. but it's not like the .po .pot thing
[17:26:23] <paul_c> although.... Putting them in src/po makes it easier for the translators to find it
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> ::msgcat::mcset ro "File" "Fisier"
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> ::msgcat::mcset ro "Open..." "Deschide"
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> ::msgcat::mcset ro "Edit..." "Editeaza"
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> ::msgcat::mcset ro "Reset" "Reseteaza"
[17:26:31] <alex_joni> ::msgcat::mcset ro "Exit" "Iesire"
[17:26:35] <alex_joni> smthg like this
[17:26:42] <alex_joni> with all the strings
[17:26:50] <paul_c> and a makefile can move them to the correct location.
[17:27:28] <alex_joni> sounds ok to me
[17:27:33] <alex_joni> should I commit on head?
[17:27:39] <alex_joni> or make/use a branch ?
[17:28:00] <paul_c> I've been committing to head for i18n
[17:28:12] <alex_joni> ok
[17:28:34] <alex_joni> head it is.. I want to work some more on it before commiting anything (is untested right now)
[17:28:43] <paul_c> IMO It is an enhancement/feature that does not (or shouldn't) break anything
[17:28:59] <alex_joni> I agree
[17:29:09] <alex_joni> but right now I read an env variable called LANG
[17:29:18] <alex_joni> for testing the locale
[17:29:32] <alex_joni> I need to test that reading (because it fails if LANG is not defined)
[17:29:43] <alex_joni> and .. I don't know enough tcl to do that :P
[17:29:52] <paul_c> what is the file name with the translations in it ?
[17:29:59] <alex_joni> ro.msg
[17:30:08] <alex_joni> actually LOCALE_NAME.msg
[17:30:39] <alex_joni> ro is for me
[17:30:56] <paul_c> OK, so we would need to agregate all the tcl strings in that one file...
[17:31:01] <alex_joni> yup
[17:31:10] <alex_joni> and the tcl code gets a bit extended
[17:31:18] <paul_c> How would you handle the help.txt ?
[17:31:28] <alex_joni> instead of puts "text-foo"
[17:31:47] <alex_joni> you need puts [msgcat::mc "text-foo"]
[17:32:06] <alex_joni> msgcat:mc searches for a translation, and if none is found it outputs the original text
[17:32:18] <alex_joni> help.txt should get renamed the same way
[17:32:26] <alex_joni> help_LOCALE.txt
[17:32:28] <alex_joni> or smthg like that
[17:33:02] <paul_c> Tkemc.tcl:246 & 257
[17:33:26] <LawrenceG> hi paul....
[17:35:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[17:35:02] <alex_joni> I'll be online later
[17:35:03] <LawrenceG> ran the quadrature stuff on the machine yesterday.... also discovered that STEPPING_TYPE was already recognized in the run file and gets passed to the reqmod module if its defined under the emcmot section of the ini file...
[17:35:03] <alex_joni> bye
[17:37:05] <LawrenceG> all should be in the bdi cvs now.... The code is so much cleaner than step/dir... that setup and hold logic is brutal
[17:38:13] <paul_c> Only one small critism
[17:38:21] <LawrenceG> go for it
[17:38:54] <paul_c> Even if you only use a 4 axis setup, both bytes get written to
[17:39:17] <paul_c> So the unused bits would be unavailable for external IO
[17:40:33] <anonimasu> iab
[17:40:51] <LawrenceG> interesting.... mini mill seems to using the 4th axis bits for spindle control... I was watching them in the io viewer...
[17:41:52] <anonimasu> hm, I could do a translation to swedish.. someday..
[17:41:57] <LawrenceG> logic could probably be changed to do a read modify write to the ports... is there a read ppt function?
[17:42:30] <paul_c> that could (would) introduce race conditions.
[17:43:26] <LawrenceG> yes... even the step/dir code gets exclusive use of the port but in groups of 8 bits.
[17:43:50] <LawrenceG> how is emc2 doing it with all its fancy pin defns?
[17:44:09] <paul_c> It also compares against the last value and only does a write if it has changed.
[17:44:42] <paul_c> (saves ~2�Sec on a pointless write)
[17:47:49] <LawrenceG> this also does a compare, but it is based on any changes to any of the n output bits... 1 bit change does trigger 2 writes
[17:48:57] <LawrenceG> the second write could be completely avoided simply by checking the number of axis in use
[17:50:29] <LawrenceG> let me take a look
[17:50:38] <SWPadnos> the number of axes is checked
[17:50:55] <SWPadnos> emcstepper.c line 406
[17:51:38] <SWPadnos> of course - that's the wrong function
[17:52:52] <LawrenceG> line 515 and area could be changed to check each group of 8 bits individually... the old and new are available with some masking
[17:52:59] <SWPadnos> Regarding the question of sharing a port between motion and I/O - that can be done with global output variables and masks
[17:53:44] <SWPadnos> re: checking hi/lo separately - I wonder if it's faster to keep the two bytes in the same variable, or if two char vars are better
[17:55:01] <LawrenceG> in 2 chars, there is extra logic that gets executed for inside the per axis loop deciding on which var to use... the output check is only done once per PERIOD
[17:56:59] <paul_c> Yes, using an int and splitting it at the point of the exDioWrite would save on code.
[17:58:41] <LawrenceG> is there a "extDioByteWrite()" that would work on setting pairs of bits?
[17:59:09] <SWPadnos> yes - 4 pairs at a time :)
[17:59:28] <SWPadnos> are you asking that in the context of sharing a port with I/O?
[18:00:25] <paul_c> extDioWrite reads a byte from the parport, does a and/or and wirtes the byte bac.
[18:00:43] <paul_c> very slow way of doing it
[18:00:48] <LawrenceG> in the old code the function call used to be a ppt.... something... yes minimill seems to be using the high 2 bits of the first port for spindle control
[18:01:26] <LawrenceG> I suspect the old call was a blind write
[18:01:29] <SWPadnos> extDio... is a wrapper around the appropriate driver write function (like pptDioWrite).
[18:01:40] <paul_c> extDio* is a wrapper round ppt*
[18:01:52] <LawrenceG> so it does the rmw?
[18:02:01] <SWPadnos> no - just a write
[18:02:12] <SWPadnos> the bit set functions do R/M/W
[18:02:17] <SWPadnos> (I think)
[18:02:53] <paul_c> I wouldn't recommend using bit write operations - Not if you want good timing between edge transistions.
[18:03:37] <LawrenceG> bit by bit would be painful for 6 axis of 4 phase!
[18:03:45] <SWPadnos> sharing would be best done with a system like JonE's I/O buffer
[18:03:52] <paul_c> worst case - about 4�Sec per bit write
[18:04:31] <LawrenceG> not good.... considering I was running PERIOD at 20us on 300 celeron and surviving
[18:12:31] <LawrenceG> if((phasedrive & 0x000000ff) != (lastdrive & 0x000000ff))
[18:12:31] <LawrenceG> extDioByteWrite(0, phasedrive);
[18:12:31] <LawrenceG>
[18:12:31] <LawrenceG> if((phasedrive & 0x0000ff00) != (lastdrive & 0x0000ff00))
[18:12:31] <LawrenceG> extDioByteWrite(1, phasedrive >> 8);
[18:13:35] <LawrenceG> 2 masks probably are much faster than a call and i/o
[18:14:58] <LawrenceG> I have got to run out on a service call. Should be back in a couple of hours.... will try the changes.
[18:27:59] <anonimasu> I ordered 2flute cutters today
[18:28:02] <anonimasu> for cutting plastic..
[18:28:16] <anonimasu> dormer ones :)
[19:10:45] <Jymmm> Morning Folks!
[19:10:56] <SWPadnos> afternoon!
[19:11:49] <Jymmm> Is there anything on the website to calculate the feedrate (ipm) by chance?
[19:12:12] <SWPadnos> the website being linuxcnc.org?
[19:12:19] <Jymmm> nod
[19:12:26] <SWPadnos> do you have a spreadsheet?
[19:12:37] <Jymmm> um, sure.
[19:12:51] <SWPadnos> then just make a calculator spreadsheet - the formulas are trivial
[19:13:04] <Jymmm> cool, where be the formulas
[19:13:32] <SWPadnos> or you could download the excel spreadsheet from the Yahoo cad_cam_edm_dro newsgroup
[19:13:44] <SWPadnos> (but I found that one annoying)
[19:13:45] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[19:13:55] <Jymmm> heh, well I might be able to redo it then
[19:14:05] <SWPadnos> What information are you starting with?
[19:14:12] <Jymmm> depends on how fubar'ed it is
[19:14:38] <Jymmm> None, just trying to get an estimate using 1/2-10
[19:14:51] <SWPadnos> 1/2-10 what?
[19:14:55] <Jymmm> acme
[19:15:15] <SWPadnos> Ah - so you want to figure out a range of speeds you may need for your machine?
[19:15:23] <Jymmm> * Jymmm nods
[19:15:58] <Jymmm> at least know the limit ranges
[19:16:15] <SWPadnos> Well - then figure out how long you want to wait for it to home, assuming it's at the furthest extent - that'll be you rapid rate, and almost guaranteed to be faster than any machining speed you'll need
[19:16:54] <SWPadnos> but - here are the formulas anyway:
[19:17:23] <SWPadnos> you start with the "optimum" machining speed for the material - from a table (linke in Machinery's Handbook")
[19:17:38] <SWPadnos> take steel - it's around 100 SFM (Surface Feet / Minute)
[19:18:05] <SWPadnos> SFM = RPM * cutter circumference
[19:19:01] <paul_c> Ali - 1/2" cutter @ 10 i.p.m.
[19:19:06] <SWPadnos> so, if you have the cutter diameter, spindle RPM = 12 * SFM / (pi * diameter)
[19:19:15] <SWPadnos> (diameter in inches)
[19:19:49] <SWPadnos> then, you need to calculate feedrate from chip load and spindle RPM
[19:20:08] <paul_c> Cooo.... I just found a table fo Ti.
[19:20:39] <SWPadnos> chip load also comes from tables - usually 0.005 - 0.015 or so, but varies depending on material, cutter material, frough/finish passes, etc.
[19:21:02] <SWPadnos> so - chip thickness and number of flutes and spindle RPM gives feedrate:
[19:21:28] <SWPadnos> thickness (inches) * flutes * RPM = feedrate in IPM
[19:21:51] <SWPadnos> example: 0.010 * 4 flute * 250 RPM = 10 IPM
[19:22:31] <Jymmm> What's the SFM for aluminum?
[19:22:33] <SWPadnos> then, you calculate the depth of cut based on the horsepower of your head (again from a table of material removal rates vs. available power)
[19:23:04] <SWPadnos> varies depending on rough / finish / cutter material / lubriccant / coolant / temper, etc.
[19:23:56] <Jymmm> k
[19:24:48] <Jymmm> I'll need to absorb all that for a few for it to sink in, thanks SWPadnos
[19:25:05] <SWPadnos> no problem - the formulas are really easy once you get it.
[19:25:41] <Jymmm> One more... is there a table or something in selecting a stepper motor... 40oz
[19:26:14] <Jymmm> assuming I use the exact same on all three axis
[19:26:18] <SWPadnos> big table for milling speeds (not comprehensive though) http://www.microcutusa.com/cuttingcond.html
[19:26:32] <SWPadnos> for figuring out the power you need?
[19:26:38] <SWPadnos> (/torque)
[19:26:53] <Jymmm> * Jymmm nods (but is getting dizzy now from all the nodding)
[19:27:40] <anonimasu> hm..
[19:27:50] <SWPadnos> there's a very comprehensive one at danahermotion.com - it's called motioneering
[19:27:58] <anonimasu> I am curious about pulse generation limit.. with emc..
[19:28:06] <SWPadnos> take a few aspirin before running it though - there are *way* too many options
[19:28:31] <Jymmm> * Jymmm has emergency tequilia above monitor (for real)
[19:28:41] <SWPadnos> that should do
[19:28:54] <SWPadnos> (but wasn't it evaporated or something?)
[19:29:03] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Not sure about that, it's been up there for a couple years and is slowly evaporating
[19:29:19] <Jymmm> damn plastic bottle
[19:29:27] <anonimasu> hehe
[19:29:36] <SWPadnos> right - I remember a conversation but couldn't remember if it was that bottle or a different one
[19:30:09] <anonimasu> hm
[19:30:15] <anonimasu> what do you guys run period at?
[19:30:15] <Jymmm> it's that bottle, but the darn thing is plastic, not glass like they used to be.
[19:30:15] <SWPadnos> so- -step generation...
[19:30:25] <SWPadnos> 28 days in this household
[19:30:49] <SWPadnos> (sorry - couldn't resist)
[19:30:53] <Jymmm> anonimasu when the PMS starts, I leace.
[19:30:56] <Jymmm> leave
[19:31:20] <SWPadnos> on my celeron 500, PERIOD=0.000016 is too fast, but 0.000024 is fine
[19:31:32] <anonimasu> hm.. I guess I need a better box then.
[19:31:35] <SWPadnos> I haven't narrowed it down any more, since I have a USC
[19:31:49] <SWPadnos> what speed do you have now?
[19:31:56] <anonimasu> err nah.
[19:31:58] <anonimasu> didnt read..
[19:32:02] <anonimasu> PERIOD=0.00002
[19:32:14] <SWPadnos> what CPU speed?
[19:32:30] <anonimasu> p3 500
[19:32:55] <Jymmm> * Jymmm smacks SWPadnos "Nobody said there was trig involved!"
[19:32:59] <Jymmm> =)
[19:33:09] <SWPadnos> heh - motioneering got you down?
[19:33:19] <anonimasu> hm I should try 0.000010
[19:33:23] <SWPadnos> here there be calculus
[19:33:33] <Jymmm> Nah, I've dealt with worse. metallurgy
[19:33:48] <Jymmm> COT
[19:33:50] <SWPadnos> 0.000010 will probably cause a lockup
[19:33:59] <SWPadnos> (just my $0.02)
[19:34:13] <CIA-7> 03paul_c 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/qemccommand.cc: File changed. New revision:qemccommand.hh
[19:34:23] <SWPadnos> what step rate are you trying to achieve?
[19:34:24] <anonimasu> hm, I guess i'll have to order a faster box then..
[19:34:31] <anonimasu> cant remember.. but about 3m/s
[19:34:39] <anonimasu> is the speed I want..
[19:34:43] <SWPadnos> eek - what resolution/step
[19:34:56] <SWPadnos> 3m/s or 3m/min?
[19:35:05] <anonimasu> 3m/s
[19:35:08] <anonimasu> j/k
[19:35:10] <anonimasu> 3m/min
[19:35:20] <anonimasu> or well, more if possible..
[19:35:21] <SWPadnos> ok - that's better - how many steps/mm?
[19:35:40] <anonimasu> 640
[19:35:42] <Jymmm> anonimasu: shit... got for the 3m/nS
[19:35:47] <Jymmm> s/got/go/
[19:36:19] <SWPadnos> that's only 32k pulses/sec
[19:36:39] <paul_c> PERIOD=15�Sec
[19:36:52] <SWPadnos> so a period of 0.00015625 would be great
[19:37:03] <SWPadnos> .000015625
[19:37:19] <paul_c> not that you'd get exactly that number...
[19:37:23] <SWPadnos> nope :)
[19:37:30] <anonimasu> I went for 0.000012
[19:37:40] <SWPadnos> can you move the mouse?
[19:37:48] <SWPadnos> (with emc running)
[19:38:01] <anonimasu> no idea.. I run the interface remotely now..
[19:38:15] <SWPadnos> can you get screen updates over the network?
[19:38:33] <anonimasu> wait a sec forgot to start the x server..
[19:38:50] <anonimasu> yes
[19:38:50] <anonimasu> :)
[19:38:56] <anonimasu> it's pretty fast also..
[19:39:06] <paul_c> hrrmmm... 15924nSec
[19:39:27] <anonimasu> paul_c: I'd want more speed if possible... :)
[19:39:40] <SWPadnos> get external step generation hardware :)
[19:39:40] <anonimasu> well I have a better box for this if I hit the limit
[19:40:02] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: got money saved for a vital card..
[19:40:08] <SWPadnos> processing speed doesn't help much after a point - I/O is a nearly constant time operation
[19:41:08] <anonimasu> hm..
[19:41:52] <paul_c> anonimasu: What CPU speed ?
[19:42:09] <anonimasu> a pIII 500
[19:42:42] <paul_c> are using X with VNC or running a remote GUI with NML ?
[19:42:53] <Jymmm> "CPU Speed? Are you on crack or what, it's an XT!"
[19:43:02] <anonimasu> xwin32
[19:43:12] <anonimasu> hm.. nah it didnt save my file
[19:43:47] <paul_c> anonimasu: Disable X on the EMC box and run a remote GUI
[19:44:01] <anonimasu> yep
[19:44:20] <paul_c> bung a 2.GHz processor in there, and you might get 6�Sec for PERIOD
[19:44:35] <anonimasu> hm, I have a 800 waiting as replacement..
[19:44:35] <anonimasu> :)
[19:44:49] <anonimasu> but well, I could do that also..
[19:45:33] <paul_c> just remember.... As the cache size goes up, and the pipelines get deeper, the jitter will increase.
[19:45:53] <paul_c> and avoid Intel 8xx chipsets.
[19:46:24] <anonimasu> hm f3000 works now.
[19:46:26] <anonimasu> :D
[19:46:49] <anonimasu> wonder what happens at 200% feed override.
[19:47:16] <anonimasu> works aswell..
[19:47:30] <anonimasu> hm, although the GUI is too laggy..
[19:47:58] <Alpha1125> damn... love this new KB and mouse... bought the wireless MS keyboard and mouse bent (not natural) kb.
[19:48:19] <Alpha1125> http://www.jnetronic.com/ms_wireless_desktop_comfort.jpg
[19:48:37] <anonimasu> looks nice
[19:48:58] <anonimasu> I have a older natural keyboard pro
[19:49:19] <paul_c> Eeeww... Foreign keymappings
[19:49:20] <Jymmm> Alpha1125: Keyloggers are much easier when wireless =)
[19:49:53] <anonimasu> PERIOD = 0.000014
[19:49:58] <anonimasu> works loads better..
[19:51:59] <Alpha1125> Jymmm... OHOOOHHH! I'm worried. :)
[19:52:18] <Alpha1125> anonimasu, I have three oldnatural KBs... the wires die on me.
[19:52:32] <Jymmm> Alpha1125: If I'm within 100 feet, be afraid, be VERY afraid!
[19:52:34] <Alpha1125> Alpha1125 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[19:53:14] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: are you abusing them?
[19:53:29] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, bah. I'm underground... and unless you've got an omni directional antenna that's able to pick up signal from my basement... sure. :)
[19:53:52] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, no... I type with the KB in my lap... so I always move the KB around, and the wire dies... I break the wire where the pigtail is.
[19:53:59] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: Got Yagi, will travel!
[19:54:11] <anonimasu> ah ok
[19:57:27] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs/4116.html#feature
[19:57:28] <anonimasu> brb testing the machine..
[19:57:48] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs/4116lrg.gif
[19:59:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Heheh... scary
[19:59:51] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: Well, lets put it this way... my radio isn't "stock" >:]
[20:00:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I highly doubt my neightbours are that tech savy...
[20:00:52] <A-L-P-H-A> they're all kinda white collar 50+ types
[20:01:19] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A So, you think you're limited to your neighbors? That is a MOBILE radio.
[20:01:52] <A-L-P-H-A> how sensitive can it pickup? I'd be surprised if the KB put out enough power after 15ft.
[20:02:23] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: I'm not transmitting, with a half-ass designed yagi, I can pick up almsot anything.
[20:02:37] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a yagi?
[20:02:47] <Jymmm> a unidirectional antenna
[20:02:54] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[20:03:04] <A-L-P-H-A> so you'd have to point it at my KB.
[20:03:59] <Jymmm> Eh, sorta. I'd use two antennas. one to detect a signal, and the other to receive the data strem
[20:04:29] <Jymmm> that radio has a mini spectrum graph
[20:04:45] <Jymmm> so I can see activity across the band
[20:09:58] <SWPadnos> A Yagi-Youda antenna is just a linear log-periodic element arrangement, right?
[20:10:32] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: where in the hell do you come up with that question?
[20:10:38] <Jymmm> d/do/did/
[20:10:46] <SWPadnos> just thought of it :)
[20:10:56] <SWPadnos> (I couldn't remember the specific type for a Yagi)
[20:11:11] <Jymmm> SWPadnos "Please step back to planet earth at your earliest convience
[20:11:20] <SWPadnos> no - I won't go
[20:11:32] <Jymmm> no not go, COME BACK!
[20:11:45] <SWPadnos> you're assuming I originated on Earth ;)
[20:11:55] <Jymmm> SWPadnos like hell I am
[20:12:15] <Jymmm> SWPadnos more like pluto, cause your fucking goofy! =)
[20:12:18] <SWPadnos> my last company made radio remote controls, and I'm an electrical engineer - it's just been a while since I've dealt with radio
[20:14:25] <Jymmm> SWPadnos http://www.clarc.org/Articles/uhf.htm
[20:14:50] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Just KISS
[20:15:40] <Jymmm> personally I like J Pole antennas for u/vhf
[20:17:44] <Jymmm> they just work
[20:17:54] <anonimasu> hm..
[20:18:00] <anonimasu> I dont get this..
[20:18:14] <anonimasu> the feedrate isnt that fast...
[20:18:18] <anonimasu> even though I increased *
[20:18:52] <anonimasu> might be the limit..
[20:21:35] <SWPadnos> the minimum step width is PERIOD/2, if there's no setup / hold time
[20:22:13] <anonimasu> hm I had a max_velocity in the TRAJ config..
[20:22:18] <SWPadnos> if hold time is higher, the max step rate is slower (also you need to look at the max feedrate for both TRAJ and AXIS_n)
[20:35:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos btw you can easily make a yagi out of a piece of wire =)
[20:35:57] <SWPadnos> yeah - I was thinking of the antennas with different-sized elements
[20:36:09] <SWPadnos> but I don't need any antennas right now :)
[20:36:24] <alex_joni> SWP: hello
[20:36:28] <SWPadnos> hi
[20:36:32] <alex_joni> what antennas are you talking about?
[20:36:38] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Well, you can load elements too
[20:36:43] <Jymmm> alex_joni yagi
[20:36:44] <SWPadnos> not sure really
[20:36:49] <alex_joni> 2.4 ?
[20:36:51] <alex_joni> GHz?
[20:36:53] <SWPadnos> or Yagi-Uda
[20:36:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni haxoring A-L-P-H-A's new wireless kybd
[20:37:00] <A-L-P-H-A> sure.
[20:37:02] <alex_joni> heh
[20:37:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm sooo worried.
[20:37:15] <alex_joni> why is that?
[20:37:23] <Jymmm> alex_joni because we can
[20:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> <sarcasm>
[20:37:31] <CIA-7> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: added i18n support to tkemc
[20:40:17] <Jymmm> While most have never played with this one, I kinda like it for a CYA antenna --> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F008%5F009%5F001%5F002&product%5Fid=20%2D043&MSCSProfile=745D84CBF04D14A48AA6FF9C89D722C0BA68C1B04FE384678A5285FCD6E056B17AF21627FDABE316B90B3C038D68EBD6B7F9F3BD1712EAA9951ACB2590A05C6517EFE46941FEFDD1985D4EFD6321F5E70B4DE9B6C1D45512DCD9FB3DBCACB94772B577474E45C09E9C08998309939B420AB03F0A8F8DFE57A04A7C904
[20:40:36] <SWPadnos> that's one of the largest links I've ever seen
[20:40:44] <alex_joni> lol
[20:40:57] <alex_joni> anyone interested in running tkemc with a romanian interface?
[20:41:13] <CIA-7> 03alex_joni * 10emc2/src/po/ro.msg: Romanian translation for TkEmc. In order to create a new translation, copy this file to your locales name(e.g. en_US.msg) and edit the second strings. Leave the first ones (english) untouched
[20:41:51] <SWPadnos> Well - no, not really :)
[20:41:59] <alex_joni> thought so ;)
[20:42:20] <SWPadnos> though I could ask if my father can read it (similar to Russian or Yiddish, right?)
[20:42:21] <Jymmm> * Jymmm would much more prefer a ancient/ lost dialect more than anything else
[20:42:38] <alex_joni> not really
[20:42:40] <alex_joni> more like italian
[20:42:41] <SWPadnos> Maybe I can get my cousin to translate to Sanskrit or Aramaic
[20:42:45] <Jymmm> or Elmer_Fudd interface
[20:43:10] <alex_joni> SWP: my cousin could do old greek, coptic, old syrian, ;)
[20:43:14] <paul_c> Texan, or RedNeck ?
[20:43:27] <alex_joni> RedNeck(tm)
[20:43:31] <SWPadnos> all are available automaticelly at http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
[20:44:00] <Jymmm> "If you code emc, you might be a redneck"
[20:45:33] <SWPadnos> translated to Swedish Chef: "Iff yuoo cude-a imc, yuoo meeght be-a a redneck"
[20:45:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni likes Swedish Chef
[20:46:11] <SWPadnos> heh - check out the boo-a-minute and movie-a-minute reviews - they're pretty funny
[20:46:17] <SWPadnos> book-a-minute
[20:46:26] <Jymmm> * Jymmm sighs.... When you post a photograph to the web... USE SOME LIGHT WHEN YOU TAKE THE SHOT!
[20:46:50] <SWPadnos> unless you're fat, ugly, naked, and photographing a shiny object
[20:47:18] <Jymmm> then use a deflector... card, paper, or anythign to bounce it
[20:49:01] <Jymmm> I really do understand that ppl can't always afford a $400 flash, but it's really not that hard to setup a light and a piece of cardboard.
[20:49:11] <CIA-7> 03gspy 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/emcstepper.c: eliminated unnessary i/o write in phase drive code
[20:49:17] <SWPadnos> good cardboard can be hard to find
[20:49:36] <Jymmm> SWPadnos even paper towels or toilet paper work in a pinch
[20:49:43] <SWPadnos> eeewww
[20:49:53] <Jymmm> not use dtp you dumbass!
[20:50:13] <SWPadnos> (did I mention that those radio controls we used to make were for photography? :) )
[20:50:37] <anonimasu> hm I cant seem to find a sensible accel..
[20:50:38] <Jymmm> SWPadnos My camera use an IR remote control.
[20:51:02] <SWPadnos> IR == crap, especially outdoors or under fluorescent light
[20:51:23] <SWPadnos> but, at short range, it's fine for a lot of people
[20:51:32] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Even worse they placed the sesnsor in the fRONT of the camera so can't be used from any direction.
[20:51:57] <SWPadnos> yeah - it's for taking a picture of yourself, without using a timer
[20:52:02] <SWPadnos> (Olympus camera?)
[20:52:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos OH HELL NO.... Nikon D70
[20:52:24] <SWPadnos> Oh - that's a good one.
[20:52:45] <SWPadnos> If you'd gotten a D1 or D2, you could have had a radio module built in
[20:52:51] <SWPadnos> (for only $2000 more :) )
[20:53:12] <Jymmm> + the SB800 flash and 18-70mm, 70-300mm lenses
[20:53:32] <SWPadnos> yep - I have the same 70-300 lens, I think
[20:53:49] <Jymmm> $160 ?
[20:53:49] <SWPadnos> I haven't been able to buy a digital camera yet - never good enough in my price range
[20:53:58] <SWPadnos> yeah - the cheap plastic one
[20:54:27] <Jymmm> plastic mount, yeah. I want a 1200mm lens =)
[20:54:46] <SWPadnos> SI bought a 1200mm f4.0 lens from Nikon
[20:54:53] <SWPadnos> it was $96k
[20:55:11] <SWPadnos> they spent $2k for the case (actually, they bought two lenses and cases)
[20:55:50] <Jymmm> might as well toss on a telescope instead
[20:56:12] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:58:45] <SWPadnos> I think they wanted it for football games
[20:58:50] <Jymmm> anyone know off the top of their head the amperage I can put thru a DB9 connector?
[20:59:12] <LawrenceG> 1 amp/pin
[20:59:13] <alex_joni> 1-2 amps / pin for sure
[20:59:18] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ah, ok. I'll have to ask a friend of mine, he's contracted by the NFL to take photographs for them.
[20:59:41] <SWPadnos> Ah - I don't know the NFL photographers
[20:59:52] <Jymmm> 1A, so probably not a good idea to use it for connecting motors to the driver?
[20:59:55] <SWPadnos> just most of the SI, national geographic, NBA, and hockey guys
[21:00:07] <alex_joni> Jymmm: use 1 / motor
[21:00:14] <alex_joni> and use 2 pins for a wire
[21:00:25] <alex_joni> "could" go up to 4-5 amps
[21:00:36] <alex_joni> how much do you need?
[21:01:04] <Jymmm> Well, single motor can use up to 3A/phase, correct?
[21:01:10] <Jymmm> (on avg)
[21:01:17] <alex_joni> depends on the motor
[21:01:27] <alex_joni> seen steppers that easily do 10-20 Amps
[21:01:47] <Jymmm> so what you ppl using, molex?
[21:02:04] <alex_joni> I use harting at work
[21:02:16] <alex_joni> but that's pretty expensive
[21:02:24] <SWPadnos> amphenol circular military connectors
[21:02:31] <SWPadnos> (even more expensive :) )
[21:02:52] <Jymmm> and weight more than the motor!
[21:02:54] <alex_joni> yeah.. the green type?
[21:03:01] <SWPadnos> and cost more than the motor
[21:03:13] <SWPadnos> MIL-C-5015
[21:03:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni shivers when he hears MIL
[21:03:35] <Jymmm> I guess I could use DB25 instead
[21:03:54] <anonimasu> alex_joni: why
[21:04:01] <alex_joni> dunno ;)
[21:04:04] <SWPadnos> you could use disk drive connectors
[21:04:04] <alex_joni> good stuff
[21:04:07] <alex_joni> big prices
[21:04:11] <SWPadnos> bad uses
[21:04:15] <alex_joni> and.. I still gotta do my service ;)
[21:04:42] <alex_joni> Jymmm: or HDD/FDD power connectors
[21:04:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni only 4C though
[21:05:04] <alex_joni> yup
[21:05:37] <alex_joni> keyb conn is pretty tough too
[21:05:41] <alex_joni> the old AT type
[21:05:49] <Jymmm> DIN5
[21:05:49] <alex_joni> used on old stereo systems too
[21:05:57] <Jymmm> 5P DIN
[21:05:59] <alex_joni> could handle 2-3 amps /pin
[21:07:11] <Jymmm> WTH? CAT5 --> http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/Y+axis.jpg?bccuzPCBtbFt4WHX
[21:07:34] <SWPadnos> that's silver satiin, even worse
[21:08:05] <alex_joni> oooh .. that's bad
[21:08:28] <alex_joni> cat5 should handle 1-2 amps / wire
[21:08:31] <alex_joni> but not more
[21:08:35] <alex_joni> and voltage will drop
[21:08:43] <Jymmm> maybe cat5 can, but I dont thick a RJ45 can
[21:08:51] <Jymmm> think
[21:08:58] <alex_joni> I did an POE once
[21:09:11] <alex_joni> 12V in (5V regulator on the other end
[21:09:21] <alex_joni> at 30m I had 5V drop on the wire
[21:09:30] <alex_joni> @ 1.5 amps
[21:09:32] <Jymmm> This is an interesting Z axis mod http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/Z+axis.jpg?bccuzPCBpDA06vc4
[21:10:12] <Jymmm> OH GAWD..... http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/solo%27s+stuff/controler.jpg?bccuzPCBw7MyjWdY
[21:10:39] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't use that machine as an example of what to strive for
[21:11:32] <Jymmm> Well, I'm hitting pics of what others have done (for ideas), and I have to say the most shitty ideas I've come up with so far are WAY better than anything I've seen yet.
[21:11:46] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:13:23] <Jymmm> You know, all the cnc routers I've seen are all moving gantry, it seems to me that moving table would be better. any thoughts?
[21:13:38] <alex_joni> why not both?
[21:13:40] <SWPadnos> too big - that takes 4x as much space as a moving gantry
[21:13:50] <alex_joni> XXYYZ
[21:13:52] <alex_joni> ;)
[21:14:13] <Jymmm> alex_joni you just want to get to XXX dont ya?!
[21:14:21] <alex_joni> lol
[21:14:23] <alex_joni> one day
[21:14:30] <Jymmm> lol
[21:14:42] <alex_joni> anyways...
[21:14:46] <alex_joni> I'm going to bed
[21:14:50] <alex_joni> tough day tomorrow
[21:14:52] <SWPadnos> night
[21:15:02] <alex_joni> ahh.. just remembered
[21:15:05] <alex_joni> one more mail to the list
[21:24:58] <Jymmm> G'Night alex_joni
[21:25:17] <alex_joni> night Jymmm
[21:29:24] <Jymmm> I'm sorry, but that just looks like an accident waiting to happen http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_9658751/controller+box.jpg?bcMB0PCBxuRJTuGT
[21:29:59] <SWPadnos> it might be less dangerous with the cover on.
[21:30:39] <Jymmm> Eh I doubt it. looks as if the driver board can flop around
[21:31:10] <alex_joni> Request Timeout
[21:31:10] <alex_joni> No request appeared within a reasonable time period.
[21:31:15] <alex_joni> that's what yahoo said ;)
[21:31:25] <jepler> the URL worked for me
[21:31:26] <SWPadnos> well - isn't that nice?
[21:31:33] <alex_joni> yeah
[21:31:41] <alex_joni> anyways.. now I really go to sleep
[21:31:49] <SWPadnos> good night
[21:31:54] <alex_joni> laptop is worn out (no more batteries)
[21:31:54] <alex_joni> night guys
[21:32:01] <jepler> goodnight
[21:44:57] <Jymmm> If I bought this, besides a set of endmills, what else would I need? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44991
[21:49:42] <LawrenceG> I would go for the collet set and the holdown clamp set
[21:53:00] <Jymmm> wth "drawbar not included" eeeesh
[21:54:10] <LawrenceG> drawbar should be std with the mill... it is used to hold in the drill chuck as well
[21:54:57] <Jymmm> * Jymmm assumes nothing, but you're correct (jsut read the manual)
[21:59:33] <Jymmm> LawrenceG the 12/24pc clamp, or more somehting like this? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90752
[22:08:47] <gezr> howdy ya'll
[22:08:59] <SWPadnos> hey there
[22:09:31] <gezr> I didn't do it, I may have thought about it, but it wasn't me.
[22:10:10] <SWPadnos> we'll find out in court :)
[22:11:01] <Jymmm> gezr video never lies!
[22:11:38] <Jymmm> gezr and I dont care how much video editing equipment I have, it never lies!!!!
[22:12:28] <gezr> hahaha :)
[22:14:33] <Jymmm> ok mills, collets, and clamp kit. anything else?
[22:15:21] <gezr> vise
[22:15:48] <Jymmm> man, this $450 mini-mill is getting expensive!
[22:16:14] <SWPadnos> then add the $5000 for a real mill, and it's really expensive!
[22:16:16] <pfred1> Jymmm an HF mini-mill?
[22:16:18] <gezr> imagine what a large one would cost
[22:16:23] <Jymmm> pfred1 yes
[22:16:32] <SWPadnos> ($3700 for a full-size one, 1ph 2hp)
[22:16:40] <Jymmm> bridgeport?
[22:17:01] <Jymmm> pfred1 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90752
[22:17:05] <Jymmm> pfred1 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44991
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[22:18:33] <SWPadnos_> or 38848, and ad da phase converter
[22:18:39] <SWPadnos_> add a ...
[22:19:13] <SWPadnos_> but then you'd be better off with a used Bridgeport off eBay
[22:19:32] <Jymmm> SWPadnos one word.... A P A R T M E N T
[22:19:47] <SWPadnos_> that's 9 words :)
[22:19:56] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[22:20:03] <Jymmm> SWPadnos_: It's one BIG word!
[22:20:09] <Jymmm> that's REALLY REALLY SMALL!
[22:21:01] <Jymmm> pfred1 wb
[22:21:12] <pfred1> yeah netsplit
[22:21:30] <Jymmm> pfred1 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44991
[22:22:18] <pfred1> Jymmm that is dinky
[22:22:33] <Jymmm> pfred1 hense the word MINI-mill
[22:22:53] <pfred1> Jymmm this is close to the one i have http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=33686
[22:24:22] <Jymmm> pfred1: I tell ya what... I'll buy that oen if you come over here and carry it UPSTAIRS (706lbs)
[22:24:37] <pfred1> Jymmm I've moved mine
[22:24:43] <pfred1> http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/millfront1.jpg
[22:24:53] <Jymmm> pfred1 upstairs?
[22:25:02] <pfred1> over a car
[22:25:48] <Jymmm> pfred1 you must have a CNC crane overhead... how else can you even get to the machine =)
[22:25:55] <pfred1> Jymmm heck I put it up onto that stand too
[22:26:26] <pfred1> actually I built the stand under it it was a little spooky
[22:27:18] <Jymmm> pfred1 looks like it BARELY fits on the stand (but I was commenting on there being NO PATH to walk to the machine, you must get to it via AirCNC)
[22:27:33] <pfred1> ah you can get to it
[22:27:41] <Jymmm> CNCrane
[22:27:52] <pfred1> I just milled a cool pocket with it the other day
[22:28:24] <Jymmm> * Jymmm can picture pfred1 attaching a winch hook to his belt, and a long corded wand carrying to the mill.
[22:28:34] <Jymmm> ^him
[22:28:48] <pfred1> Jymmm my next shop I'll have a trolley crane in it
[22:28:57] <Jymmm> kinda like those crane stuffed animal games
[22:30:01] <Jymmm> pfred1 and WHAT THE FUCK is this shit?!?!?!?!?!?! http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/hint.jpg bailing wire clamping 2x4's together?
[22:30:57] <Jymmm> please tell me that wasn't a make-shift beam
[22:31:14] <pfred1> Jymmm no i had to cut that away to put up a gantry houst
[22:31:18] <pfred1> hoist even
[22:31:37] <Jymmm> you used that to lift somethign heavy?
[22:31:55] <pfred1> no I cut it away to put up an I beam
[22:32:07] <Jymmm> Oh, ok.
[22:32:13] <pfred1> I couldn't lift the beam over it you know?
[22:32:36] <pfred1> Jymmm that looks like this now http://68.84.51.85:10000/projects/armsaw/pa130002.jpg
[22:32:41] <Jymmm> and whats with the router being clamped to the mill?
[22:32:51] <pfred1> higher spindle speed
[22:32:57] <pfred1> makes for cleaner cuts in wood
[22:33:19] <pfred1> like this http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Mill/routercut.jpg
[22:33:35] <pfred1> the mill spindle is raggier
[22:33:56] <Jymmm> oh so your just reuseing the XY table is all
[22:34:06] <pfred1> sure why not?
[22:34:19] <Jymmm> makes sense, just weird to see at first glance
[22:34:30] <Jymmm> Mmmmm lap joints
[22:34:43] <pfred1> nah that's a dado
[22:34:48] <pfred1> oh the fix?
[22:35:13] <pfred1> I did that with my radial arm saw
[22:36:28] <Jymmm> yeah, i like em, just dont see em used very often is all.
[22:36:51] <pfred1> radial arm saws?
[22:37:00] <Jymmm> lap joints
[22:37:19] <pfred1> ah I donno I use them now and again
[22:37:31] <pfred1> I was doing some mad woodworking this weekend
[22:37:57] <pfred1> I fixed up my grinder bench top
[22:40:55] <Jymmm> LOL.... My gf just got back from the grocery store with "Coach Carter" dvd.
[22:41:11] <pfred1> enjoy
[22:41:40] <pfred1> I got a buddy who's a mamber of netflicks if I want to see something I ask them to get it :)
[22:42:48] <Jymmm> Yeah, we have netflix too. We originall had it, then tried blockbuster, then wen tback to netflix.
[22:43:01] <pfred1> netflicks is cheaper isn't it?
[22:43:01] <Jymmm> just this week too
[22:43:11] <Jymmm> more expensive, but WAY faster
[22:43:19] <pfred1> Jymmm you ever rip the DVDs?
[22:43:19] <Jymmm> but only by $2/mo
[22:43:55] <Jymmm> The first time I tried, the audio was funky.
[22:44:07] <pfred1> it's an art not all are really rippable
[22:44:09] <Jymmm> but I think I need to leran the setting s better.
[22:44:25] <pfred1> I use mencoder
[22:44:35] <Jymmm> I also tried from my laptop too, so that might of had somethign todo with it
[22:44:47] <Jymmm> I used dvd shrink (its free)
[22:44:58] <Jymmm> I use that to backup kids dvds
[22:45:08] <pfred1> mencoder is free
[22:45:19] <Jymmm> give nephews the copy, they destory em, burn another copy.
[22:45:34] <pfred1> I can rip a movie to the size of a CD
[22:45:40] <Jymmm> ouch
[22:45:48] <pfred1> I make a sample of one
[22:45:51] <Jymmm> bbl need to bring up grocerys.
[23:08:35] <robin_sz> meep?
[23:28:31] <Jymmm> ok, groceries are put away
[23:28:37] <pfred1> nice
[23:28:37] <Jymmm> hola robin_sz
[23:31:14] <Jymmm> pfred1: hey, your clamp kit is too neet to have been used http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Drawers/p3060007.jpg
[23:31:37] <pfred1> Jymmm yeah setup stuff is nice to have
[23:32:28] <pfred1> I used to make clamps
[23:32:43] <pfred1> I have to take a pic of the one i still have
[23:33:12] <Jymmm> pfred1 how do keep your whiskers from getting caught?
[23:33:40] <pfred1> sometimes they catch on fire
[23:33:53] <Jymmm> pfred1 cause you be a pack rat =)
[23:34:30] <pfred1> well you need material to work on stuff
[23:35:08] <Jymmm> pfred1: True, but NONE of my tools have a 1/4" layer of dust/dirt on them =)
[23:35:31] <pfred1> you obviously don't sand or grind very much then
[23:35:51] <Jymmm> this has NOTHIGN to do with work dust
[23:36:10] <pfred1> or plane for that matter
[23:36:13] <Jymmm> http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/tools/p9290025.jpg
[23:36:25] <Jymmm> lol
[23:36:29] <pfred1> well sometimes i don't close the drawer
[23:36:40] <Jymmm> I'm just playing =)
[23:37:37] <pfred1> Jymmm here ya go for dust http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Tplaner/tpl1-001.jpg
[23:38:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, that's nothing... Our parrots do that in an hour!
[23:38:25] <Jymmm> wood, plastic, whatever
[23:38:31] <pfred1> they make 30 gallons of dust in an hour?
[23:38:43] <Jymmm> three of em
[23:38:49] <Jymmm> 10gal/each
[23:39:06] <Jymmm> oh and cardboard too
[23:39:23] <pfred1> so your parrots look like this? http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/Tplaner/tpl-005.jpg
[23:40:38] <Jymmm> sorta, but they are kept in a paper bag to keep the chips from going everywhere
[23:40:49] <Jymmm> untill they chew the bag up
[23:41:42] <Jymmm> we have to buy em wood by the case!
[23:43:02] <Jymmm> pfred1 what was this used for? http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rp-008.jpg
[23:43:22] <pfred1> Jymmm the pallet wood?
[23:43:40] <Jymmm> oh just to break pallets apart?
[23:43:51] <pfred1> oh my pallet busting tool?
[23:44:22] <Jymmm> yep
[23:44:24] <pfred1> it's a piece of 3 inch C channel I cut on my mill and welded those legs onto
[23:44:39] <pfred1> you bash the top with a hammer it works well
[23:45:19] <Jymmm> cool, just wasn't sure what that was for
[23:45:32] <pfred1> it's for popping up pallet deck boards
[23:45:51] <pfred1> you see the other pic of it?
[23:45:57] <Jymmm> yeah
[23:45:59] <pfred1> http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rp-006.jpg
[23:46:00] <pfred1> OK
[23:46:12] <Jymmm> how old is this? http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/newshopix/shop-001.jpg
[23:46:23] <pfred1> I made that
[23:46:38] <pfred1> I don't know how old any of the parts are I found them here and there
[23:46:57] <Jymmm> the left spindle looks old, like water powered at one point
[23:47:19] <pfred1> it has a zerk fitting on it so I don't imagine it's too old
[23:47:27] <robin_sz> strangely enough ... the guy in the unit next to mine just repaired a pallet buster
[23:47:30] <Jymmm> heh
[23:47:41] <pfred1> robin_sz it's big busines
[23:47:43] <robin_sz> this one had a 4 litre diesel
[23:47:56] <pfred1> yeah I'm not at that level yet with it
[23:48:02] <Jymmm> big business?
[23:48:05] <pfred1> I can olny do maybe 8 pallets in a day :)
[23:48:13] <pfred1> yeah pallet rebuilding
[23:48:18] <Jymmm> oh
[23:48:18] <robin_sz> theres a pallet yard ..
[23:48:26] <robin_sz> they buy in random pallets
[23:48:43] <pfred1> did you know that 54% of the hardwood production in the US goes into making pallets?
[23:48:46] <robin_sz> and send out 1000x1000
[23:49:04] <robin_sz> crap ones get mulched
[23:49:06] <Jymmm> no shit?
[23:49:09] <pfred1> so more than half the hardwood harvested ends up being pallets!
[23:49:17] <Jymmm> that's sad
[23:49:33] <pfred1> well you have to have them to ship merchandise on
[23:49:34] <robin_sz> Jymmm: there is a solution
[23:49:41] <Jymmm> robin_sz plastic skids?
[23:49:50] <robin_sz> Jymmm: and its being widely adopted in your country
[23:49:53] <robin_sz> nah
[23:49:54] <pfred1> just think you have $50,000 worth of product you have to put it onto something
[23:50:00] <robin_sz> import from china.
[23:50:35] <robin_sz> pallets in .eu tend to be softwood
[23:50:36] <Jymmm> I have seen plastic pallets now, made from recycled milk jugs
[23:50:41] <pfred1> I make cool stuff out of pallets
[23:50:46] <pfred1> http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/projects/SpringBoxes/allpix3.php
[23:51:23] <pfred1> robin_sz yeah then the boards are thicker
[23:51:26] <Jymmm> pfred1 this is from pallet wood? http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/projects/SpringBoxes/sb-003.jpg
[23:51:34] <pfred1> yup
[23:51:43] <pfred1> that's like white oak
[23:52:05] <pfred1> nice wood in them pallets huh?
[23:52:07] <robin_sz> nice
[23:52:19] <robin_sz> far too good for pallets :)
[23:52:32] <pfred1> ah it all looks like crap when you pick it up
[23:52:42] <robin_sz> in the .eu pallets only have 75mm wide boards
[23:52:49] <robin_sz> 75x19mm
[23:52:59] <robin_sz> no wide board
[23:53:30] <pfred1> here's what i do with the softwood pallets make bigger stuff out of them http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/projects/trunks/trunks.html
[23:53:37] <Jymmm> man, that's just sad
[23:53:38] <pfred1> being as the wood is thicker i can joint it together
[23:53:42] <robin_sz> anyway .. the pallet crusher feeds a conveyor to seperate out the nails
[23:54:43] <pfred1> I've researched how the commercial pallet busters work
[23:55:30] <robin_sz> its easy
[23:55:42] <robin_sz> you just mix up wood and horsepower :)
[23:56:46] <pfred1> or a mixed up laborer and a crowbar :)
[23:57:07] <Jymmm> or the kid next door for $30
[23:57:20] <pfred1> yeah but he'll give you toothpicks
[23:57:38] <robin_sz> hydraulics would be the baby
[23:57:53] <pfred1> it's not easy to get the wood apart without splitting it
[23:58:21] <pfred1> robin_sz yes http://68.84.51.85:10000/wood/cshop/rippal/rippal.html
[23:58:22] <Jymmm> and the 2x4's in pallets are hardwood too?
[23:58:27] <pfred1> * pfred1 has discovered the power of hydraulics!
[23:58:33] <pfred1> the stringers?
[23:58:50] <pfred1> Jymmm yeah but they usually have fork cutouts in them
[23:58:58] <Jymmm> ah
[23:59:09] <pfred1> sometimes they don't
[23:59:23] <pfred1> or you can rip the cutouts off and just glue them up
[23:59:32] <pfred1> man i wonder if I got a pic of this one bench i made out of them?
[23:59:35] <pfred1> it came out sweet!