#emc | Logs for 2005-02-19

[00:07:16] <A-L-P-H-A> yummy
[00:07:38] <A-L-P-H-A> macoroni + cheese salad, coleslaw, buffalo wings, patatoe wedges.
[00:11:26] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Electronics/LCD_Screen_working/ :) woohoo!
[00:12:12] <anonimasu> nice
[00:14:45] <A-L-P-H-A> took me a freak'n long time to the the atmel 90s2313 to connect to the LCD.
[00:15:23] <Jymmm> 2313?
[00:15:31] <A-L-P-H-A> yes
[00:15:40] <Jymmm> why not the 2400's ?
[00:19:06] <anonimasu> I havent gotten my lcd's to work..
[00:19:15] <anonimasu> never had enough time to play with it enough
[00:21:39] <Jymmm> robin_sz: "Buffalo Wings" (chicken wings coated in a mildly spice bbq and honey sauce) one of marketing's greatest acheivments
[00:29:54] <anonimasu> night everyone
[02:59:26] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, sorry, cause the 2313 was what I had already.
[03:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I love the LM Watts think going on in the bdi install.
[03:05:30] <A-L-P-H-A> dah.
[04:29:21] <asdfqwega> Jymmm: I'm currently using a Synrad 10W rf-coupled CO2 laser mounted on a home-made 3-axis router
[04:31:02] <asdfqwega> With 10W and shop air for assist gas, I can cut 1/4" poplar/oak at 8-12 ipm
[04:31:22] <asdfqwega> With the Synrad, they use a PWM signal for control
[04:32:38] <asdfqwega> I'm working crude, so right now I simply have a protoboard with some logic and 2 555 timers and opamps to sample the 555's charging waveform
[04:33:52] <asdfqwega> One I set to the 1% PWM for standby, and the other I have on a turnpot for selectable power level
[04:35:12] <asdfqwega> With EMC, there's ability for motion-synced digital I/O, which I use to 'fire' the laser
[04:36:40] <asdfqwega> My current limitation is that I'm using a stepper driven router, which only gives me 22 ipm max
[04:39:41] <asdfqwega> If I had a flying optics table, I could more easily finnesse other things with only 10W, such as cutting butile rubber
[04:41:37] <asdfqwega> Need about 60-80 ipm for that - faster cut = shallower cut / less charring / easier ash removal / more passes
[04:49:07] <asdfqwega> And FYI - cauterization produced by laser burns doesn't hurt at first, BUT
[04:50:19] <asdfqwega> the ablated flesh get blasted deep into the surrounding tissue, which will REALLY hurt later
[04:50:56] <asdfqwega> Google Sam's Laser FAQ
[05:04:43] <asdfqwega> An example of something I did on veneer with low power:
[05:04:46] <asdfqwega> http://www.bright.net/~janfritz/Laser/gallery/ncf-plaque.jpg
[05:16:28] <Jymmm> asdfqwega: Cool. "Flying optics" ?
[05:23:45] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[05:23:45] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[10:16:52] <robin_sz> meep
[10:44:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[11:13:26] <sybec> logger_aj
[13:29:10] <alex_joni> greetings
[13:31:13] <alex_joni> http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/8572800.swf
[14:39:12] <les> anyone home?
[14:42:35] <paul_c> Hi Les
[14:50:24] <les> hi paul
[14:50:38] <les> still on this side of the pond?
[14:51:46] <les> I'm just relaxing, watching westerns, and cooking up a bunch of corned beef/cabbage
[14:52:39] <les> emc is sure coming through for me....grossed over $3000 this week running the machine
[14:53:18] <les> Have a minor problem on homing in the z axis sometimes
[14:53:39] <les> as if home switch opening is premature
[14:53:47] <les> noise on the line prob
[14:53:52] <les> or a bad switch
[14:54:36] <les> I have found I have to "exercise" the home and limit switches sometimes to clean the contacts
[14:55:42] <les> well back to the kitchen for me
[16:37:50] <danfalck> hello guys
[16:48:05] <paul_c> Afternoon all.
[16:48:54] <dave-e> dave hides
[16:49:38] <paul_c> that lets me off the hook then ;)
[16:49:44] <dave-e> maybe
[16:50:11] <dave-e> so what is this about a sensoray driver?
[16:51:01] <paul_c> Have one of their cards now...
[16:51:08] <dave-e> good
[16:51:23] <dave-e> did you have to buy the one with the adc's?
[16:51:39] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the command to untar a tar.gz file? tar xfgv <filename>?
[16:52:03] <paul_c> Can only get a DACless card to special order and in bulk
[16:52:04] <dave-e> xzvf
[16:52:22] <dave-e> yes..I know been looking at them for quite a while
[16:52:33] <dave-e> afterall...they are almost local
[16:52:34] <A-L-P-H-A> dave-e, thanks
[16:53:16] <dave-e> yeh...the 25 quantity is a bummer
[16:53:17] <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A: man tar - Gives info about all the other options.
[16:56:26] <dave-e> paul..which card do you have?
[16:58:12] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, yeah... I did a tar --help... and thought I remembered it. [quicker to just ask sometimes]
[16:59:23] <paul_c> 526
[17:00:09] <dave-e> should be a good one
[17:02:31] <dave-e> I'll be interested to see how it goes
[17:03:46] <dave-e> opps...gotta run...catch everyone later
[17:03:58] <danfalck> hi paul
[17:06:26] <paul_c> Hi Dan
[17:07:08] <danfalck> got your postcard
[17:08:12] <paul_c> Got home & still can't get that MoDo to work...
[17:08:45] <danfalck> was it working at Wierdstuff?
[17:09:23] <paul_c> So they say - Wouldn't let me round back to see...
[17:21:59] <alan-001_> is this channel dead
[17:22:09] <paul_c> No
[17:22:15] <alan-001_> good
[17:22:49] <alan-001_> is anyone using emc with a wire foam cutter
[17:23:55] <paul_c> don't know for sure - But you'd probably find one of the Germans are...
[17:24:29] <alan-001_> do you have much experience with the program
[17:24:52] <paul_c> a little
[17:25:18] <alan-001_> what do you use to produce .nc files
[17:25:52] <paul_c> by hand for small ones...
[17:26:23] <alan-001_> have you tried any linux dxf converters or anything of the sort
[17:26:26] <paul_c> The only complex part I did, I used a shell script to produce the g code
[17:27:29] <paul_c> I think Dan has tried hp2xx
[17:28:04] <danfalck> yes
[17:28:24] <danfalck> hp2xx works
[17:28:52] <alan-001_> do is go straight to gcode or do you need a ps converter
[17:29:14] <alan-001_> "does it"
[17:29:25] <danfalck> what are you starting with? DXF?
[17:29:36] <alan-001_> preferable
[17:29:45] <alan-001_> yes
[17:30:00] <danfalck> let me look at the man file for hp2xx again...
[17:30:18] <alan-001_> im looking at the website now, it outputs eps, pcx, img
[17:30:34] <alan-001_> i guess you need another program for the gcode
[17:32:22] <danfalck> you can output g code
[17:32:49] <alan-001_> nice
[17:32:53] <alan-001_> thanks for looking
[17:33:17] <danfalck> I did some conversions from a *.BMP to autotrace -> hpgl through to g-code
[17:33:31] <danfalck> used autotrace to convert to vector output
[17:33:39] <alan-001_> yeah autotrance is nice
[17:33:42] <alan-001_> trace
[17:33:48] <danfalck> autotrace -> hp2xx
[17:34:09] <danfalck> you can use Sagcad to go directly from DXF to g-code
[17:34:22] <danfalck> it's listed on the links page on linuxcnc.org
[17:35:20] <alan-001_> thanks
[17:35:21] <danfalck> I probably missed how to go directly from DXF to hp2xx
[17:36:02] <danfalck> I also found a small program called "cam.py", writte at MIT that will do DXF to g-code
[17:36:30] <danfalck> but I'm having problems making the g-code simple and logical
[17:36:43] <danfalck> it seems like it makes things way too complicated
[17:37:20] <alan-001_> yeah
[17:37:29] <alan-001_> i cant get any programs installed on the livecd installation
[17:37:32] <alan-001_> so no python
[17:37:37] <alan-001_> no internet
[17:37:56] <alan-001_> and i cant get rtai working on my gentoo setup
[17:37:57] <alan-001_> so...
[17:38:10] <alan-001_> slowly fixing things
[17:41:35] <danfalck> I need to go. The weather's very nice here today. Just like last Sunday.
[17:41:56] <alan-001_> thanks for the help
[17:49:45] <ottos> Good Day gents...
[17:51:16] <paul_c> Afternoon
[17:52:12] <ottos> Hi Paul got a question for you...kinda dumb but when getting the CVS fikels, and when getting ready to compile, is plat directory to be creaetd in /emc?
[17:53:12] <paul_c> plat/ is created at compile time
[17:53:51] <ottos> how fresh are the files in 4.18 ?
[17:54:27] <paul_c> a couple of weeks
[17:55:25] <ottos> do you know if the lastest of Vital board code (homing ) is in or not?
[17:55:53] <paul_c> no it isn't.
[17:56:19] <Imperator_> Hi Paul, how was your holiday ?
[17:57:01] <ottos> :( ...could you give me soem pointers on recompiling..?link ..?running an old tng box..
[17:57:47] <paul_c> Imperator_: Apart from a couple of days when it rained...
[17:58:05] <paul_c> ottos: Checkout cvs for rcslib & emc
[17:58:09] <Imperator_> nice here it is snowing and snowing :-)
[17:58:23] <paul_c> cd rcslib/etc ./configure
[17:58:36] <paul_c> cd ../src
[17:58:54] <paul_c> make PLAT=realtime && make PLAT=nonrealtime
[17:59:14] <paul_c> cd to emc/src and repeat the make
[17:59:41] <ottos> I was missing the ./compile...thanx a milion..:D
[18:19:42] <ottos> time to play...:D thank you all..later..
[18:53:44] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ hate's NML
[18:55:53] <Jymmm> "No More Lactating" ?
[19:03:51] <Imperator_> Hmm
[19:04:22] <Jymmm> only thing I could think of
[19:05:15] <alex_joni> greetings...
[19:05:21] <alex_joni> paul_c: welcome back ;)
[19:06:45] <Jymmm> Dumbass question.... They don't mean 1/4-20 threaded rod when they say "acme screw" do they?
[19:07:04] <cradek> no
[19:07:05] <alex_joni> no ideea ;)
[19:07:27] <cradek> Jymmm: the thread profile on plain threaded rod is a 60 degree V
[19:07:34] <alex_joni> hello cradek
[19:07:45] <cradek> acme screws have a thread profile more like "U"
[19:07:49] <cradek> hello
[19:07:57] <Jymmm> cradek: Ah, ok.
[19:08:41] <Jymmm> cradek: I think watching too many roadrunner cartoons threw me off =)
[19:08:51] <cradek> hah
[19:09:16] <alex_joni> how are things?
[19:09:46] <cradek> they're fine around here
[19:09:55] <alex_joni> nice to hear that...
[19:10:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has been busy lately...
[19:10:08] <cradek> busy is good
[19:10:16] <alex_joni> well.. up to a point ;)
[19:10:44] <alex_joni> I have to start some robots at a customer
[19:10:59] <alex_joni> and they have problems with mounting the parts.. so the weld is tricky
[19:11:02] <Imperator_> Hi alex
[19:11:09] <Imperator_> how are you ??
[19:11:20] <alex_joni> hey Martin
[19:11:29] <alex_joni> busy ... (& tired)
[19:11:39] <alex_joni> seen some very nice mills lately
[19:11:57] <Imperator_> I wake you up !!!
[19:12:09] <gezr> Jymmm : hey, I got some acme rod 1/2 10 a few months ago, I went with the inexpensive rolled stuff from msc, its not very good, the more you spend the higher quality you can expect out of good threaded rod
[19:12:10] <Imperator_> where ??
[19:12:37] <alex_joni> Imperator_: at some customer I'm working right now (http://www.robcon.ro/emc/bigmachines/)
[19:13:08] <Jymmm> gezr: rolled rod, as in hollow?
[19:13:14] <Jymmm> or cold rolled
[19:13:29] <gezr> the thread is formed by mashing it between rolling dies
[19:13:49] <Jymmm> gezr: Ah, and it didn't do too well huh?
[19:13:50] <gezr> its not hollow
[19:13:51] <Imperator_> alex_joni: a lathe
[19:14:03] <alex_joni> not only
[19:14:20] <Imperator_> big stuff
[19:14:24] <alex_joni> about 4 of the big ones ;)
[19:14:27] <gezr> Jymmm : its okay, but im talking just okay, it would be great if it wasnt used for motion
[19:14:55] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ needs somebody who understands NML
[19:14:57] <alex_joni> one has about 20m X-axis, 5m-Y, 5m-Z
[19:15:12] <alex_joni> Imperator_: ask away.. I might remember some stuff ;)
[19:15:16] <gezr> Jymmm : so if you get some, opt for a higher quality threaded rod, in the acme form
[19:15:16] <Imperator_> nice small machine
[19:15:31] <Imperator_> I want to add a new command
[19:15:44] <Imperator_> or the better word is maybe message ??
[19:16:16] <Jymmm> gezr: lol. Well, since this would be my first, I'm debating going cheap initially (threaded rod, draw slides, mdf) to get a feel for everything, then once I do, go for the SS this, and pillow block that...
[19:16:56] <gezr> Jymmm : yeah :), thats what I did. but I paid for it,
[19:17:08] <gezr> Jymmm : just spend a bit more on the rod and nuts
[19:17:11] <Jymmm> gezr: how so? too much scrapped material?
[19:17:16] <alex_joni> Imperator_: what kind of subsystem?
[19:17:41] <gezr> nothing scrapped, just had to spend a lot of time cleaning the threads, and its still not a very fluid turn
[19:19:26] <Jymmm> gezr: Ok, makes sense. My biggest issue is I want large footprint. And not knowing what to enforce here or there just yet. Most plans I've seen so far seem to be lacking in the Z axis.
[19:19:38] <Jymmm> design wise
[19:20:19] <Jymmm> gezr: but I could be talking out my ass too.
[19:20:31] <gezr> yeah, im just mentioning my experience, youll get out of it exactly what you put in, even in a test case, you dont want to skimp your self too much
[19:21:00] <gezr> Jymmm : just go as close to what your going to end up with, so that your more able to predict what will happen
[19:21:25] <Jymmm> gezr: I'm just whining about buying 36" now to play/test/ then having to but 60" later on.
[19:21:32] <Jymmm> s/but/buy/
[19:21:51] <gezr> Jymmm : oh yeah :)
[19:22:25] <Jymmm> Unless of course acme rod comes in a Lego (tm) version?! =)
[19:24:28] <gezr> it does, but you have to buy it from lego and its plastic
[19:25:04] <Jymmm> lol
[19:31:38] <Jymmm> Is there plans out there that are pretty decent?
[19:32:09] <Jymmm> * Jymmm isn't making space shuttle parts or anything =)
[19:33:54] <alex_joni> Jymmm: too bad.. those would sell ok ;)
[19:34:11] <Jymmm> lol
[19:35:33] <Jymmm> Are any slides better than others? I don't know what it's called but the side view of the rail looks like a slice of bread.
[19:37:38] <alex_joni> hmmm.. what kind of bread ? :-)
[19:39:47] <Jymmm> like this....
[19:39:48] <Jymmm> _____
[19:39:48] <Jymmm> ( )
[19:39:48] <Jymmm> ) (
[19:39:48] <Jymmm> | |
[19:39:49] <Jymmm> | |
[19:39:50] <Jymmm> -------
[19:40:21] <alex_joni> 4 balls on the sides?
[19:40:42] <alex_joni> on the slide?
[19:40:57] <Jymmm> That is just the rail. That profile is the whole lengith of the slide.
[19:41:05] <alex_joni> ________
[19:41:12] <alex_joni> o) (o
[19:41:24] <alex_joni> | |
[19:41:34] <alex_joni> darn.. I suck at ascii art ;)
[19:41:49] <Jymmm> It's about 1/2" tall
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> __________
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> o) (o
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> | |
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> | |
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> | |
[19:42:30] <alex_joni> o) (o
[19:42:32] <alex_joni> | |
[19:42:34] <alex_joni> | |
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> Ok, if the edge of the rail looks like this, with mounting holes every 6" or so...
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> _______
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> ( | | )
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> ) | | (
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> | | | |
[19:47:51] <Jymmm> | | | |
[19:47:52] <Jymmm> ---------
[19:48:04] <Jymmm> The bearing looks sorta like this...
[19:48:05] <Jymmm> _____________________
[19:48:05] <Jymmm> | ___________ |
[19:48:05] <Jymmm> | ( ) |
[19:48:05] <Jymmm> |_____| |_____|
[19:48:28] <alex_joni> I see
[19:48:35] <alex_joni> normal bearings?
[19:48:44] <alex_joni> on the sides and on top?
[19:49:18] <Jymmm> just the sides iirc, but could be wring.
[20:03:09] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[20:04:19] <Jymmm> looks like this --> http://www.qbcbearings.com/RFQ/CoverPg/B615Images/TRKD_Tables.jpg
[20:05:12] <Jymmm> though that one is wider and shallower than the one I was attempting to describe.
[20:05:13] <alex_joni> looks nice
[20:05:34] <alex_joni> * alex_joni leaves for half an hour
[20:05:47] <Jymmm> have fun!
[20:05:48] <alex_joni> depends on the specs, and what you need
[20:06:27] <alex_joni> probably there are a lot of different manufacturer/products looking almost the same
[20:06:36] <alex_joni> depends on what forces you need,
[20:06:44] <alex_joni> what precision, etc
[20:07:21] <Jymmm> Yeah, I just dont know which bearings/slides are intended for which application.... speed, precision, load, etc.
[20:07:39] <Jymmm> hort/vert moutning/motion etc.
[20:07:50] <alex_joni> for best precision/load there are the ones I tried to describe above
[20:08:06] <alex_joni> with 4 lines of balls between the carriage and the slide
[20:08:32] <Jymmm> so the rail has four "tracks", one in each corner?
[20:09:58] <alex_joni> yes
[20:10:18] <alex_joni> but it depends on the app
[20:44:28] <robin_sz> w00t!
[20:49:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[20:49:41] <alex_joni> hey robin_z
[21:16:48] <robin_z> ooh
[21:17:03] <robin_z> bits of me keep falling off!
[21:17:40] <alex_joni> lol
[21:17:42] <Jymmm> Um... lepracy?
[21:17:46] <alex_joni> lost a letter?
[21:17:56] <robin_z> leprosy
[21:18:33] <robin_z> so, anyting new?
[21:19:00] <alex_joni> besides pieces of you?
[21:19:09] <robin_z> yes, besides that
[21:19:20] <alex_joni> not much ;)
[21:19:43] <alex_joni> maybe tomorrow will be more busy
[21:19:55] <robin_z> I started sketching up another plasma .. well, You have to dont you :)
[21:20:40] <alex_joni> how do you mean that?
[21:22:54] <roel1> hi
[21:24:00] <alex_joni> hello
[21:24:59] <Jymmm> Well.... wasn't that an enlightening conversation.
[21:25:27] <alex_joni> which one?
[21:25:34] <Jymmm> 3:28:00] <roel1> hi
[21:25:34] <Jymmm> [13:29:06] <alex_joni> hello
[21:25:40] <roel1> hehe lol
[21:25:42] <Jymmm> NO CARRIER
[21:25:51] <alex_joni> [23:27] <roel1> hi
[21:25:54] <alex_joni> [23:28] <alex_joni> hello
[21:26:11] <alex_joni> roel1: where from?
[21:26:23] <roel1> lots of new faces around here
[21:26:28] <roel1> i'm from holland
[21:27:30] <alex_joni> how new? (the new faces you talk about?)
[21:27:34] <robin_z> alex_joni: Ijust meant I had a little time on my hands this afternnon, and sure enough, anther plasma cutter start to form on the drawing board :)
[21:27:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is about half a year new ;)
[21:28:19] <robin_z> hey roel1, not seen you on here for a while
[21:28:21] <alex_joni> robin: nice, maybe you can post some designs :P
[21:28:22] <roel1> my last connection to this room 7 to 8 months ago
[21:28:29] <robin_z> hows the PCB business ?
[21:28:58] <K`zan> * K`zan hates doing PCBs :-).
[21:29:12] <K`zan> EVIL necessity :-)
[21:29:15] <K`zan> LOL
[21:29:32] <roel1> makes them even multi layer
[21:29:39] <robin_z> ooh :)
[21:29:40] <roel1> no problem for me
[21:29:49] <robin_z> you were doing PTH last time ..
[21:29:57] <robin_z> gone multi layer now eh?
[21:29:58] <roel1> thp fully under control on the moment
[21:30:06] <robin_z> thats big boys toys :)
[21:30:19] <alex_joni> multi = >2 ?
[21:30:24] <robin_z> blind vias yet?
[21:30:26] <K`zan> Wish I could afford to have them done, perhaps someday....
[21:30:31] <roel1> 4 layers i can handle perfect
[21:30:40] <robin_z> wow :)
[21:30:45] <robin_z> impressed.
[21:31:01] <roel1> but now im waiting for orders :))
[21:31:09] <robin_z> heh
[21:31:18] <K`zan> roel1: Web site ?
[21:31:24] <robin_z> I might have some prototypes coming up
[21:31:24] <Jymmm> K`zan: how big?
[21:31:27] <roel1> not on the moment
[21:31:45] <K`zan> Jymmm: Ranges from about 1 square inch to 100x150mm
[21:32:12] <robin_z> roel1: leave me your email, I might have prototypes in a few weeks
[21:32:18] <roel1> 250*200 cm
[21:32:29] <K`zan> I do't mind making the boards, it is drilling them that drives me to drink :-0, which of course makes it harder and take longer to drill LOL :-).
[21:32:30] <Jymmm> K`zan: I found a place REALLY cheap, but havne't used them yet. They sound very reasonable and cluefull
[21:32:54] <alex_joni> K`zan: do it with emc
[21:33:00] <K`zan> Jymmm: Sure would be nice, best I have seen, IIRC, was about $2.50US oer sqare inch...
[21:33:01] <robin_z> I found one doing 2 euro-cards for 50 GBP
[21:33:02] <Jymmm> K`zan: like minimum being $25
[21:33:03] <roel1> hehe lol i drill them with me own build graver/driller
[21:33:12] <Jymmm> K`zan: let me find it
[21:33:49] <Jymmm> K`zan: you need multi layer?
[21:33:52] <K`zan> alex_joni: Looking into that, downloaded the BDI iso install last night, but with half a dozen different OS and other partitions, that scares me.
[21:34:07] <robin_z> roel1: can you do 'buried' or 'blind' vias on your boards yet? (not that I need them, just curious)
[21:34:52] <K`zan> Jymmm: No, most I would need is double sided, I now spend forever revising them in PCB (a *nix tool) getting them to single sided with as few jumpers as possible,
[21:35:04] <alex_joni> K`zan: try the Live
[21:35:17] <Jymmm> K`zan: 160mm x 100mm == $33 USD
[21:35:28] <roel1> buried must go but is a real pain in the ass
[21:35:31] <Jymmm> dbl sided
[21:35:33] <K`zan> alex_joni: Will go back and get that today, RH based so that is good :-).
[21:35:55] <K`zan> Jymmm: NOT too shabby, where is this place?
[21:36:09] <Jymmm> K`zan EU somewhere, but ship to NA
[21:36:22] <Jymmm> K`zan: http://www.olimex.com/pcb/index.html
[21:36:27] <Jymmm> frames... yuck
[21:36:34] <K`zan> Jymmm: if shipping cost aren't like those on ebay, I mightbe able to afford it :-).
[21:36:42] <Jymmm> K`zan very reasonable
[21:36:53] <Jymmm> $6 USD
[21:36:59] <Jymmm> err $9 USD
[21:37:05] <K`zan> Jymmm: Checking now... THANKS!!!!!
[21:37:17] <roel1> isnt plated he'
[21:37:21] <K`zan> Jymmm: Still not bad at all for shipping :-).
[21:37:32] <Jymmm> K`zan: np, let me know if you order how it turns out.
[21:37:41] <K`zan> Jymmm: Wilco!
[21:37:59] <Jymmm> K`zan: and that is there prototype pricing, not their production procing.
[21:38:34] <alex_joni> K`zan: Live is not RH based
[21:38:35] <K`zan> Jymmm: I hope I can gen the files with PCB, we'll see...
[21:38:44] <Jymmm> K`zan lol
[21:38:53] <K`zan> alex_joni: Ah, well it was a LATE and fast scan last night :-).
[21:39:30] <alex_joni> The older are RH-based (BDI-2.18,2.20, BDI-TNG)
[21:39:41] <Jymmm> K`zan: Ah... BULGARIA
[21:40:09] <K`zan> Jymmm: Just as long as it isn't france :-) :-) :-) LOL.
[21:40:39] <Jymmm> K`zan France bad?
[21:40:52] <robin_z> do they make bad PCBs in france?
[21:41:00] <K`zan> alex_joni: Do you have a link for the live one, only one I saw last night was RH based.
[21:41:08] <Jymmm> or just bad Frenchmen
[21:41:31] <K`zan> Jymmm: Dunno, but according to my mother: "The french never forgive a favor" :-), so I just avoid the whole scene.
[21:41:44] <Jymmm> Hmmm... they have uC proto kits too
[21:42:48] <K`zan> Jymmm: My mother lived in europe for the better part of 20 years, so I trust her judgement in these matters :-).
[21:42:54] <Jymmm> pricing isn't too shabby... AVR w/ a 1x16 LCD assembled $34 USD
[21:43:03] <Jymmm> K`zan: lol, fair enough
[21:43:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni can only advise you to use Olimex
[21:43:49] <alex_joni> I got an JTAG for AVR from them, works great, and very cheap
[21:43:58] <K`zan> * K`zan off looking for the live.
[21:44:11] <Jymmm> alex_joni: heh, thats where were talking about, but they do PCB's too
[21:44:22] <K`zan> alex_joni: define "very cheap", I wouldn't mind having jtag capability.
[21:44:24] <robin_z> * robin_z stares at the olimex website
[21:44:28] <robin_z> all black ...
[21:44:36] <alex_joni> 50$ or so
[21:44:49] <alex_joni> robin: not every browser can open it ;)
[21:46:19] <alex_joni> lol
[21:47:10] <K`zan> robin_z: Works fine with firefox...
[21:47:32] <robin_z> * robin_z has netscape 7
[21:47:34] <K`zan> alex_joni: es anyone: where is that live CD, I am not seeing anything on it.
[21:47:44] <K`zan> robin_z: should get firefox :-).
[21:47:51] <K`zan> Or Mozilla...
[21:47:56] <robin_z> no
[21:48:07] <robin_z> websites should learn to write html
[21:48:24] <K`zan> robin_z: masochism is it's own reward :-).
[21:48:32] <robin_z> wpnder how many errors they had on that page?
[21:48:44] <alex_joni> http://www.olimex.com/pcb/index.html
[21:48:45] <K`zan> robin_z: Nice thought, but it ain't gonna happen :-(.
[21:48:51] <Jymmm> Netscape� Communicator 4.8
[21:48:51] <Jymmm>
[21:48:51] <Jymmm> Copyright � 1994-2002 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights reserved.
[21:48:55] <alex_joni> try that
[21:49:11] <alex_joni> a LOT ;)
[21:49:20] <K`zan> emc live cd
[21:49:23] <K`zan> oops ww
[21:49:24] <alex_joni> opera crashes too
[21:49:41] <Jymmm> on olimex?
[21:50:21] <robin_z> ooh, 16 errors
[21:50:58] <alex_joni> yup.. just black ;)
[21:51:20] <robin_z> K`zan: commercial sites cant afford to not work in various browsers.
[21:51:31] <robin_z> you lose MONEY that way
[21:51:35] <K`zan> alex_joni: Is this the one I want?: -rw-r--r-- 1 henkka henkka 589342720 Jun 11 10:25 BDI-2.20b.iso
[21:51:47] <K`zan> robin_z: Agree, but they do that anyway...
[21:52:12] <alex_joni> nope
[21:52:20] <K`zan> killing download now...
[21:52:29] <alex_joni> that's an RH6 based iirc
[21:52:56] <robin_z> well, if they can't get their homepage right (which presumably they care about) perhaps they cant get my PCB right ... dunno.
[21:53:49] <K`zan> BDI-Live_rc46.iso, lets try that one...
[21:54:09] <robin_z> that sounds more like it
[21:54:18] <Jymmm> K`zan: what pcb you making? (just being nosey)
[21:54:57] <K`zan> alex_joni: Coming down now, bloody slow site...
[21:55:29] <K`zan> Jymmm: Various adapter board, several for an anamatronics controller project I am working on, various other things...
[21:55:46] <alex_joni> robin: I heard good stuff about them .. ;)
[21:55:47] <Jymmm> K`zan: ah, ok.
[21:55:50] <alex_joni> dunno
[21:56:29] <alex_joni> K`zan: they complained they don't have the bandwith for the mirror
[21:56:37] <alex_joni> I'm working on a new mirror ;)
[21:56:59] <K`zan> alex_joni: Will be VERY appreciated I am sure!
[21:57:02] <robin_z> whats wrong with sourceforge for the mirror?
[21:57:36] <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu:8181/~vw/00-4-tp/oldpix
[21:58:08] <alex_joni> robin: sourceforge doesn't host ISO's
[21:58:28] <robin_z> well, gzip em then ;)
[21:58:46] <K`zan> LOL
[21:58:48] <robin_z> witch.seastar.org could not be found ...
[21:58:56] <roel1> robin_z: this is the last pcb i made http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/001.jpg
[21:59:08] <alex_joni> they have an issue with big files too
[21:59:32] <robin_z> roel1: nice. CNC I/O?
[21:59:34] <K`zan> roel1: Nice!
[21:59:41] <Jymmm> K`zan: unable to resolve
[22:00:11] <Jymmm> seastar.org ?!
[22:00:33] <K`zan> Jymmm: used to be :-), just never changed it internally.
[22:00:37] <roel1> robin_z: yes it is a i/o
[22:00:53] <Jymmm> K`zan can't resolve either one
[22:02:46] <K`zan> Jymmm: Lemme fix your dns for ya ;-)
[22:03:09] <Jymmm> K`zan: HA! Not after seeing how your's is maintained!!!
[22:03:09] <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess:
[22:03:48] <robin_z> no route to host
[22:03:53] <K`zan> LOL, I am not going to pay those people for a fqdn / IP that existed LONG before they started extorting money for it...
[22:03:59] <K`zan> wtf...
[22:04:22] <K`zan> * K`zan wonders if comcast changed my ip (again) checking...
[22:04:35] <roel1> robin: http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/box1.bmp and as result http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/capt/box2.jpg
[22:04:35] <robin_z> you have non-static IP
[22:05:18] <K`zan> Oops <BLUSH>:
[22:05:23] <robin_z> roel1: ooh, routed too. nice.!!
[22:05:27] <roel1> :)
[22:05:34] <K`zan> Jymmm: Some pix of this mess:
[22:05:43] <K`zan> Fumble fingers :-[
[22:05:49] <robin_z> sigh
[22:06:46] <K`zan> Too many all nighters this week...
[22:07:00] <alex_joni> k`zan: when posting ip-urls, use a / at the end
[22:07:09] <alex_joni>
[22:07:10] <Jymmm> K`zan: fix your dns
[22:07:25] <alex_joni> else the web-server will return it's standard name
[22:07:36] <alex_joni> Jymmm: try the URL I posted, works here
[22:07:37] <robin_z> K`zan: look, its never going to work while you are sendign a 301 to witch1.seastar.org
[22:07:41] <Jymmm> K`zan: drop that seastar entries big time
[22:07:47] <Jymmm> alex_joni that works
[22:08:02] <K`zan> Jymmm: alex_joni yes, item 1,475,324 on my list ;-).
[22:08:31] <alex_joni> yes, because you don't get a 404/301 whatever ;)
[22:09:06] <robin_z> yeah, the other uRI was doing a 301, moved permanently to witch1 etc
[22:11:56] <robin_z> * robin_z gets bored
[22:12:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni joins the boredom
[22:12:42] <robin_z> entertain me!
[22:12:45] <roel1> nothing to plasmcut! robin
[22:12:59] <robin_z> sigh .. not at the moment roel
[22:13:10] <robin_z> got LASERS now :)
[22:13:16] <roel1> wow
[22:13:31] <roel1> got a job 4 u :)
[22:13:35] <robin_z> a Trumpf :)
[22:13:36] <Jymmm> robin_z but you wont't share em!
[22:13:51] <robin_z> Jymmm: I'll sell you that 1200w trumpf head ;)
[22:14:09] <robin_z> roel1: got DXFs?
[22:14:12] <Jymmm> robin_z: I'm still considering the surgical one
[22:14:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is downloading 2.6.10
[22:14:32] <robin_z> Jymmm: just buy it and send the the other 1101 dollars
[22:14:34] <roel1> robin: yeh lots of them
[22:14:40] <a70camaro> Hello everyone.......
[22:14:58] <Jymmm> robin_z: sure, but you make the laser operational =)
[22:15:00] <robin_z> roel1: if yo uhave DXFs, I can laser em in up to 6mm steel, no problem
[22:15:16] <alex_joni> hello a79camaro
[22:15:39] <robin_z> roel1: http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/images/LY2500.jpg
[22:15:54] <a70camaro> I will be ready to invest in a CNC machine soon
[22:15:54] <roel1> robin: its just 0.5 mm mild steel
[22:16:07] <robin_z> roel1: cnc press and powder coat too :)
[22:16:25] <a70camaro> which would be a good machine to start with ?
[22:16:58] <roel1> tss nothing home build, shame on you
[22:17:24] <robin_z> roel1: the powder oven and extract is home build
[22:17:34] <robin_z> roel1: LOTS of 500w halogen bulbs
[22:17:48] <a70camaro> i have homebuilt already , but not ready to work yet , was able to cash in on a property sale and wouldlike to open up a shop
[22:18:04] <a70camaro> oh ur not talking to me :-)
[22:18:15] <robin_z> roel1: and I have this http://redpoint.org.uk/photos/lasers/
[22:18:19] <roel1> robin : why not infra-red ceramic heaters
[22:18:39] <robin_z> roel1: expensive, halogen bulbs run on half voltage do same job for less $$$
[22:19:25] <Jymmm> robin_z: come on.... 10# of lit magnesium will do it cheaper!
[22:19:58] <Jymmm> go salvage some old vw blocks =)
[22:20:03] <robin_z> 10# ??
[22:20:09] <Jymmm> 10 pounds
[22:20:14] <robin_z> oh. :)
[22:21:05] <robin_z> well, I pump 20kw into the oven for hours on end, might need more than 10lbs
[22:21:23] <Jymmm> ok.... 12#'s =)
[22:21:36] <robin_z> why do you use # for lbs?
[22:21:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni takes a shortcut
[22:21:45] <robin_z> is that an american thing?
[22:21:54] <alex_joni> catch you tomorrow guys
[22:21:58] <Jymmm> pound symbol --> #
[22:21:59] <robin_z> night
[22:22:07] <Jymmm> telephone
[22:22:08] <robin_z> no, thats a hash symbol
[22:22:14] <robin_z> � symbol
[22:22:47] <Jymmm> 123 456 789 *0# <---- pound symbol
[22:22:57] <robin_z> hash
[22:23:02] <Jymmm> $ <--- dollar
[22:23:06] <robin_z> dollar
[22:23:19] <Jymmm> get with the times, it's Euro's now =)
[22:23:29] <robin_z> not in the UK it isnt :)
[22:24:03] <Jymmm> * Jymmm stops here.... could do the UK jokes/bagging all night =)
[22:24:15] <Jymmm> and it's onlt 14:00 =)
[22:24:21] <Jymmm> brb
[22:24:46] <a70camaro> So does anybody have a suggestion on buying a first CNC Machine to open a shop ?
[22:24:54] <robin_z> umm
[22:24:57] <robin_z> plasma
[22:24:59] <robin_z> router
[22:25:01] <robin_z> mill
[22:25:03] <robin_z> lathe
[22:25:07] <Imperator_> did anybody know the command to search a string in all files of a folder ????
[22:25:08] <robin_z> laser
[22:25:29] <robin_z> Imperator_: yeah ... grep foobar * -r
[22:25:36] <robin_z> where foobar is the string
[22:25:44] <Imperator_> thx
[22:25:47] <a70camaro> hear anything good about the HAAs toolroom mill?
[22:25:48] <robin_z> grep "my search string" * -r
[22:26:15] <robin_z> Imperator_: that is recursive, will do subfolders too
[22:26:51] <Imperator_> thats what i want Robin
[22:28:07] <robin_z> a70camaro: depends what market you want to get into, cnc laser is often 'jobshopped' ie just cut and send it out, hilling etc usually is part of a general engineering operation
[22:29:28] <robin_z> some places do contract turning, but margins are thin
[22:29:43] <robin_z> suspect you need to do mould making or such like to make real money
[22:29:55] <a70camaro> well i thought short run jobs which alot of the bigger shops wont touch would be a good market to get into
[22:29:56] <robin_z> suspect that needs lots of gear :(
[22:30:05] <robin_z> dunno
[22:30:16] <robin_z> find out whats going inyour local market
[22:30:53] <robin_z> even the big shops are scratching for work here, theyll quote on small runs too
[22:31:20] <Jymmm> You know what's sad.... "Build the CNC _________ , and the customers will come" is the mentality. And damnit if I don't have the same thinking! LOL
[22:31:50] <a70camaro> well I have noticed here that the used equipment market is shrinking , I guess that could be a good sign that machine shops are geting busy again
[22:32:11] <robin_z> nah, it just means eventhe used resellers have gone out of business
[22:32:22] <robin_z> and the cost of shipping to india is falling
[22:32:30] <robin_z> and theres nothing left to ship
[22:32:50] <Jymmm> I'm don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US has just become a "Disposable Society" anymore. =(
[22:33:12] <a70camaro> speaking of , has anybody called Dell technical support latley ??? it goes straight to india
[22:33:20] <Jymmm> Microwave oveen $29, TV broken, buy a new one.
[22:33:44] <robin_z> a70camaro: thart started about 5 years ago in the UK
[22:33:45] <Jymmm> we wont even mention cellphones.
[22:34:24] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega is a throwback to the old days - I repair everything I can
[22:34:25] <a70camaro> I have thought about machining just for my own product ,but i have to think of something to sell first :-)
[22:34:38] <Jymmm> a70camaro ditto
[22:34:46] <asdfqwega> I just fixed a keyboard with a conductive ink pen
[22:34:51] <robin_z> socal was one of the hardest hit areas, around 20,000 small shops went to the wall in the last 5 years there
[22:35:15] <Jymmm> a70camaro I have racked my brain with thousands of ideas, but while I can build it, it's a bitch merketing some of them.
[22:35:38] <Jymmm> marketing
[22:35:40] <a70camaro> yes I have noticed that , seems any used equipment I have found is on the other side in California ,which makes it a pain for me since I am on the east coast
[22:35:49] <robin_z> right
[22:35:59] <Jymmm> a70camaro: yeah?
[22:36:01] <Jymmm> where
[22:36:06] <a70camaro> Florida
[22:36:10] <Jymmm> * Jymmm is in Calif =)
[22:36:11] <robin_z> tooling is sellign at $3 a pound out there
[22:36:21] <Jymmm> url's?
[22:36:32] <robin_z> hell no
[22:36:37] <a70camaro> just about any machine that i had interest in has been in Ca
[22:36:40] <Jymmm> * Jymmm is a dumpster diving whore!
[22:36:51] <robin_z> like you are going to put it on the web at $3 a pound
[22:36:59] <robin_z> its effectively scrap prices,
[22:37:04] <robin_z> same for machine tools
[22:37:25] <Jymmm> SoCal has/had the TRW swapmeet years ago - you could find amything
[22:37:33] <a70camaro> Jymmm , ebay ;-)
[22:37:40] <Jymmm> * Jymmm hates ebay
[22:38:00] <Jymmm> * Jymmm also lives 2 miles from ebay HQ
[22:38:02] <robin_z> lots of perfectly good machine tools went for scrap out there over recent years, even india coulnt take the volume thats come out of socal ..
[22:38:21] <a70camaro> a couple weeks ago I wish i had the $$ , some guy was selling a HAAS toolroom mill with 40 hours on it fully decked out for 20k
[22:38:24] <robin_z> but, there you go
[22:38:42] <robin_z> cheap
[22:38:54] <Jymmm> I just want a cnc router with a laser
[22:39:05] <robin_z> yeah yeah
[22:39:19] <Jymmm> it's all the physical room I have
[22:39:25] <Jymmm> seriously
[22:39:30] <robin_z> you'll have to build it
[22:39:47] <robin_z> lasers have to be enclosed
[22:40:00] <robin_z> so you'll not find a commercial one with a router head
[22:40:49] <Jymmm> Since December I've been looking at http://versalaser.com/english/ but it's $14,000 USD for only 12" x 24" @ 35 Watts. I just can't see spending that much for such a small thing.
[22:41:10] <robin_z> too small to be of use to anythng but a sign shop
[22:41:20] <a70camaro> Actually I lnow a guy that has a product and right now is making them on a "OLD" machine ,I have approached him to come in as a partner if I buy a new machine to run his parts on
[22:41:26] <Jymmm> or plastics cutting, photo engraving
[22:41:47] <robin_z> a70camaro: good choice.
[22:42:04] <a70camaro> yea but , i am shaky on the partner thing
[22:42:08] <robin_z> Jymmm: you seen what hapens to a laser when you cut plastic?
[22:42:22] <Jymmm> robin_z: to the laser or the piece?
[22:42:24] <robin_z> Jymmm: lets say "nasty fumes"
[22:42:37] <robin_z> sticky black dirty fumes
[22:42:38] <Jymmm> robin_z: Oh, yeah.... 950CFM blower $99
[22:42:43] <robin_z> yuck yuck yuck
[22:43:34] <Jymmm> robin_z: I can spend the money on nice bearings and such, but w/o a laser I can't see much use for it.
[22:44:01] <roel1> for a start use al laserpencil :)
[22:44:05] <Jymmm> robin_z: thus when you can across that OR laser, it seriously peaked my interest.
[22:44:06] <a70camaro> well I have a lot of thinking to do ,this is a once in alifetime deal I was able to make so I need to be smart with the $$
[22:44:17] <Jymmm> roel1 say what?
[22:44:40] <Jymmm> laser pencil?
[22:44:44] <a70camaro> cyall later
[22:44:47] <roel1> handheld laser (kids plaing with it)
[22:44:53] <Jymmm> a pointer?
[22:45:27] <roel1> yeh (joke)
[22:45:44] <Jymmm> roel1: I finally caught on. But I was being serious.
[22:46:05] <Jymmm> If I could find a laser, I'd do it.
[22:46:20] <Jymmm> I have about $5K budget for the right thing.
[22:46:25] <roel1> were you from !
[22:46:33] <Jymmm> Calif
[22:47:29] <roel1> cant be that hard to find in the states i think
[22:47:59] <Jymmm> roel1: it's the cost.... a 10W CO2 (new) is $1600
[22:48:14] <Jymmm> 100Watt is $14,000 USD
[22:51:35] <robin_z> Jymmm: as I showed you, ebay is <1000 USD
[22:51:50] <robin_z> or search madeinchina.com
[22:52:12] <Jymmm> robin_z: are you talking just that one sergery laser? As I couldn't find others on ebay.
[22:52:35] <robin_z> you're kidding me right?
[22:53:12] <Jymmm> robin_z: " searched for "CO2 laser"
[22:55:27] <Jymmm> robin_z: I know it sounds bad, but all IO'm finding are $10,000 USD and up
[22:56:39] <Jymmm> no, I'm not kidding
[22:56:57] <robin_z> searched in title and description
[22:56:59] <robin_z> ??
[22:57:50] <robin_z> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3179&item=3874633232&rd=1
[22:58:10] <Jymmm> robin_z "sold as parts"
[22:59:15] <robin_z> no shit
[22:59:17] <robin_z> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26237&item=3874666785&rd=1
[23:01:09] <robin_z> you'll have to buy a new one for $$$ or a probably OK one for 899 on eaby
[23:01:23] <Jymmm> robin_z: the
[23:01:51] <Jymmm> robin_z: the 'ok' one is fine, but I don't want to spend $1000 to find out it's DOA AS-IS
[23:02:03] <Jymmm> no returns
[23:02:06] <robin_z> well, spend 5k on a new one then
[23:02:22] <Jymmm> $5k for 100Watt?
[23:02:25] <Jymmm> where?
[23:02:43] <Jymmm> tha'ts my problem.
[23:02:45] <Jymmm> =(
[23:02:59] <robin_z> from CHINA
[23:03:18] <robin_z> big country just east of you
[23:04:24] <Jymmm> robin_z: Have you bought anything directly fron China?
[23:05:10] <robin_z> yes
[23:05:32] <Jymmm> robin_z: I dont mean off of ebay, I mean contacting china and buying something directly
[23:05:37] <robin_z> yes
[23:05:57] <Jymmm> what was that out of curisity?
[23:05:59] <robin_z> circuit boards, components, laser tubes, disco lights, speakers, amplifiers, ..
[23:06:03] <robin_z> shall I go on?
[23:06:09] <roel1> yes :)
[23:06:14] <Jymmm> no, that's fine. you speak chinese?
[23:06:17] <robin_z> no
[23:06:28] <Jymmm> robin_z did you buy bulk?
[23:06:33] <robin_z> but, they speak english
[23:06:51] <robin_z> bulk? ... not really .. 20 of each I guess
[23:06:58] <robin_z> except circuit boards ..
[23:07:02] <Jymmm> nah, that's not bulk
[23:07:02] <robin_z> 8000 a time :)
[23:07:13] <Jymmm> I meant container
[23:07:25] <robin_z> nah, not doen a containerfull yet.
[23:07:37] <robin_z> 700GBP for a container to UK we got quoted
[23:08:03] <Jymmm> shipping alone?
[23:08:18] <robin_z> yep
[23:08:34] <robin_z> not bad at all for a container
[23:08:44] <Jymmm> yeah... we bought $80 of product, shipping was $100
[23:09:10] <Jymmm> not really, no.
[23:09:16] <K`zan> sigh, didn't save the bookmark for the live EMC iso, now I got to find it again :-/.
[23:09:18] <Jymmm> how long?
[23:09:50] <robin_z> does it matter if shipping is 100$ on 80 dollars of product?
[23:10:49] <robin_z> at china prices that 180 dollar total would syill cost you 500 in the US
[23:10:58] <paul_c> K`zan: www.sherline.com/emc
[23:12:15] <robin_z> Jymmm: so there aer your choices. buy cheap on ebay, pay full whack in the US or import from china ... take your pick
[23:12:42] <K`zan> paul_c: THanks MUCH!
[23:13:10] <roel1> http://www.laserresale.com/
[23:13:17] <roel1> hi Paul :)
[23:14:21] <paul_c> Hi Roel
[23:17:07] <roel1> robin
[23:19:17] <robin_z> id forgotten about laseresale
[23:19:23] <robin_z> lots of goodieson there
[23:19:42] <robin_z> roel1: if you want any laser cutting, just ask
[23:20:28] <roel1> robin: ok and ask me if u wand some printing done he'
[23:20:38] <robin_z> :)
[23:20:56] <roel1> just found a picture of me
[23:21:01] <roel1> robin: me and me bike in action 3rd overall dutch champ 2004 http://www.xs4all.nl/~atmel/actie.jpg
[23:21:48] <robin_z> heh,
[23:21:56] <robin_z> still trying to hurt yourself I see ;)
[23:22:14] <roel1> :) going mad on tarmac lately
[23:22:50] <robin_z> yeah, better than sand?
[23:23:32] <robin_z> hurts more when it hits you on the head
[23:24:09] <roel1> yeh its fast with 70 hp ( like a rocket out tha corner)
[23:24:34] <robin_z> I can imagine ...
[23:25:55] <paul_c> alan_01: You really shouldn't be logging on as root
[23:26:05] <gezr> I just got really lucky, I was putting the crankshaft back in, and I moved a new lamp over, and saw a few glass beads I didnt get washed out. I had to abort the assembly for now.
[23:26:21] <alan_01> paul, you are right
[23:26:35] <robin_z> gezr: you will find beads for yeears
[23:26:50] <gezr> robin_z : probably :)
[23:26:58] <roel1> robin: now im building a cdi-ignition that i can modify on the hanldebar
[23:27:42] <robin_z> roel1: yeah, I used to egt bored on my bike too .. mid race, always handy to have a small electronics project to get on with ;))
[23:27:54] <roel1> robin: thats the part where some lasercutting is wanted
[23:27:58] <alan_01> * alan_01 slaps asdfqwega around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
[23:27:58] <gezr> ill just take my time, and use a power washer to have at it, I dont have the best situation to do cleaning here
[23:28:01] <robin_z> ahh :)
[23:28:04] <alan_01> uhm
[23:28:06] <alan_01> wow
[23:28:07] <alan_01> sorry
[23:28:53] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega slaps alan_01 around with a piece of roadkill
[23:28:56] <robin_z> roel1: a box for it?
[23:28:58] <alan_01> hehe
[23:30:09] <roel1> robin: nope the ignition in the engine itself that is made off 0.5 mm sheets
[23:30:31] <robin_z> ahh, the cores of the coil
[23:30:46] <roel1> yeh
[23:30:50] <robin_z> thats silicon-iron probably, not mild steel
[23:31:27] <roel1> same as transformer metal i think
[23:31:36] <robin_z> yeah
[23:31:46] <robin_z> need a lacquer layer too
[23:32:19] <robin_z> do a dxf, I'll see what I have
[23:32:30] <robin_z> might have some thin zintec
[23:34:18] <roel1> first i have to find the plastic caps were the wire gose on ( cant find the right words for it)
[23:34:24] <robin_z> robin(at)refpoint.org.uk
[23:34:30] <robin_z> ummm ... bobbin
[23:34:41] <robin_z> spool
[23:34:46] <robin_z> either of those
[23:35:17] <roel1> spool inner parts the plastik parts
[23:36:00] <robin_z> or make some
[23:36:49] <robin_z> cardboard tube with resin, glassfibre PCB for end plates
[23:37:45] <roel1> m there fits the routing machine well for the end caps :)
[23:37:54] <robin_z> yeah
[23:38:05] <robin_z> I wonder about windows programming
[23:38:08] <robin_z> I mean ,..
[23:38:14] <robin_z> I look at some linux code
[23:38:18] <robin_z> I see how it works
[23:38:31] <robin_z> C++ .. java .. perl .. no problem
[23:38:50] <robin_z> I look at a windows program in C++ .. I can t even FIND the code
[23:39:05] <K`zan> * K`zan was off drooling on the sherline mills and lathes :-).
[23:39:17] <K`zan> robin_z: LOL
[23:39:25] <robin_z> this is in Borland Builder C++
[23:39:40] <K`zan> * K`zan will no longer touch m$ anything
[23:39:42] <robin_z> its a program that opens a DXF and displays it ...
[23:39:59] <robin_z> it works, so the code MUST be in there ... somewhere
[23:41:03] <robin_z> shrug, I hat M$ .. but .. most people have it, so you need to accept that and work with it...
[23:41:18] <robin_z> just keep it away from the raltime stuff ! :(
[23:42:34] <K`zan> robin_z: There is that, but a lot of people are going linux, so I'll just bide my time :-).
[23:43:03] <K`zan> Having been screwed by m$ since winditz 2.0, I have had ENOUGH of that.
[23:43:17] <K`zan> * K`zan masochism DOES have limits :-).
[23:44:03] <Jymmm> Mfg has sample pic of "laser marking detonators"! lol
[23:44:36] <robin_z> well, yeah, but windows isnt THAT bad anymore ... 2.0 was orrible .. XP is actually nice
[23:45:09] <robin_z> it doesnt even crash anymore!
[23:45:10] <K`zan> xp sucks just as badly...
[23:45:13] <robin_z> * robin_z touches wood
[23:45:31] <K`zan> Horsehocky, it toasts reasonably regularly, NOT as bad as the stuff before, but...
[23:45:48] <robin_z> I havent had my XP workstation bluescreen yet
[23:45:56] <robin_z> had it 2 years now
[23:46:15] <K`zan> I live across the lake from m$ and know people that work there. amazing they can have such GOOD people and turn out such *shit*.
[23:46:50] <roel1> lol
[23:46:53] <robin_z> well, its not bad ... linux has its purpose, like servers, I always run linux on servers
[23:47:00] <robin_z> desktops, dunno
[23:47:20] <robin_z> installing stuff on XP is easy, so is removing it
[23:47:24] <K`zan> I have a girlfriend who works over there, she is very prim and propper, and I asked her about IE once (she worked on it, at the time) and she described the code as "shit", the ONLY foul language I ever heard her use...
[23:47:24] <robin_z> downside is
[23:47:36] <robin_z> that soemtimes its not justyou doing the installing and removing ;)
[23:47:50] <K`zan> Problem is that it still has all the problems it always had and STILL doesn't play nice with others.
[23:47:57] <robin_z> IEsucks, thats true
[23:48:11] <robin_z> I do use firefox on doze, and thunderbird
[23:48:20] <K`zan> IE is just another windoz app...
[23:48:39] <K`zan> Me too, only thing I keep winditz around for anymore is games...
[23:48:48] <robin_z> yeah, but there are some great apps for doze you cant get on linux (yet)
[23:48:56] <K`zan> Various flight sims, OFP...
[23:49:11] <robin_z> solidworks, cam packages, blah blah blah
[23:49:29] <robin_z> the Xilinx FPGA design tool ! .. now .. that rocks.
[23:49:32] <K`zan> yes, true, but if you look around and are willing to deal with it, you can get by with linux apps and even come to love them :-).
[23:49:53] <robin_z> yeah, sometimes
[23:50:08] <robin_z> linux wins there .. like Eclipse for development
[23:50:13] <robin_z> thats awesome
[23:50:37] <K`zan> Not for me, all the stuff I used to miss, I just don't worry about anymore, found stuff I can live with to do what I need to do. FAR less hassle overall.
[23:50:51] <K`zan> And far cheaper :-).
[23:51:08] <robin_z> I still do 50/50 doze and linux on the desktop, 100% linux on servers
[23:51:13] <gezr> I use whatever works
[23:51:17] <robin_z> quite
[23:51:28] <gezr> linux on the servers for sure, but whatever works,
[23:51:34] <K`zan> Same here, I just have found I don't NEED anything from m$ anymore.
[23:51:57] <robin_z> well, I do. but that may change in the next few years
[23:52:01] <K`zan> NICE place to be, I can say that I never expect that to be possible.
[23:52:31] <K`zan> Up until about 3-4 years ago now, I maintained that linux as a desktop / workstation was not possible.
[23:52:46] <robin_z> oh its possible, has been for ages
[23:52:48] <K`zan> Servers YES, desktop NO, but that has changed.
[23:52:58] <robin_z> my laptop has been linux for 7 years now
[23:52:59] <gezr> I used linux as a desktop for oh my, since 98 or so
[23:53:18] <K`zan> For a long time it was not, the apps just didn't exist, but that is changing at an ever increasing rate now.
[23:53:32] <robin_z> but theres still a lot of apps that are doze only ...
[23:53:51] <K`zan> Not for me :-).
[23:54:17] <robin_z> well, for me there are, and I'll probably develop my next "thing" on doze too
[23:54:27] <robin_z> not because I like it ..
[23:54:33] <robin_z> I hate it for development
[23:54:38] <K`zan> After installing windows, 10,253,354,112,458 times, I am just totally burned out to spending money for that kind of abuse :-).
[23:54:46] <robin_z> but my customers will have it, so go with it I say.
[23:55:02] <K`zan> Get a better class of customer :-).
[23:55:10] <robin_z> yeh, nice thought
[23:55:15] <robin_z> wont happen
[23:55:18] <robin_z> not in industry/
[23:55:35] <K`zan> I refuse to support it anymore. I'll live under a bridge first. Fortunately that hasn't become necessary :-).
[23:56:01] <robin_z> I dont have that high a set of principles.
[23:56:04] <robin_z> whatewver sells.
[23:56:17] <K`zan> Once again supporting my theory that most managers in industry are idiots on a good day...
[23:56:31] <robin_z> hell, thats very insulting.
[23:56:39] <robin_z> to idiots :)
[23:57:04] <K`zan> Saw the same thing back in the IBM mainframe days "Nobody ever got fired for specifying IBM" s/IBM/M$ now...
[23:57:19] <robin_z> dunno abu that
[23:57:20] <K`zan> True, apologies to iditos ;-)
[23:57:39] <robin_z> in server markets .. M$ is a poor choice, and a rare choice these days
[23:57:54] <K`zan> BTDT, true... Sad to say. Since managers started coming from college, it has been a fact...
[23:58:02] <robin_z> but desktop, dunno. XP is pretty decent ... way better than anyting they offered before
[23:58:50] <robin_z> anyway
[23:58:52] <robin_z> bedtime
[23:59:00] <K`zan> Never understood that mess until I discovered that a long time ago, that managers were workers who were too old to actually do the heavy work anymore and took a pay cut to keep working and show the workers how to do things :-).
[23:59:12] <robin_z> later guys :)
[23:59:13] <K`zan> Rest well!